assassination

[stoic needle]

phial doesnt work with any of those things

[limber lion]

It was changed in BFA. Maybe they forgot to change the tooltip when they did the change, as per usual

[stoic needle]

haste speeds up our dot damage and gives us more energy regen and more VW procs

[quiet juniper]

you crushed my dreams and hope ..

[thorn turtle]

Counting for blizz

[quiet juniper]

I see thanks guys

[tender folio]

Phials dmg scales from versa now

[thorn turtle]

What’s max % of haste can we get with new flag?

[quiet juniper]

so for stats I should not focus nor with crit proc or versa ?

[stoic needle]

30%

[stoic needle]

haste/crit or haste/vers

both are fine

[thorn turtle]

Was easily manageable with old one as outlaw

Hard to get to as assa

[quiet juniper]

why no all in in mastery ? As I see none of the spell does flat damage anyway so why bother going for versa ?

[tender folio]

Cus of the melee attacks

[grim valley]

Hello guys, assa going to be a thing for +20s?

[tender folio]

it's like a 2nd dmg output for assa

[thorn turtle]

True

[quiet juniper]

I see

[stoic needle]

mastery is for memes only

[tender folio]

And it scales with everything else, plus less dmg taken

You get more from it then from mastery only

[stoic needle]

technically mastery gives more damage to your dots per point of stat than vers but the auto attack damage makes vers slightly better

[stoic needle]

probably not. dmg output and cc just isn't there still

[quiet juniper]

I get it

[grim valley]

Thanks for ur answer

[tender folio]

After playing sub , that energy starvation hurts big time getting back to assa 😦

[minor spade]

doomblade on shoulders, right?

[tender folio]

You can put it on shoulders or hands , same stats

[thorn turtle]

Need to get used to play chess instead of osu @tender folio

[tender folio]

Ikr

[signal gulch]

ideally get slg shoulders doomblade on hands but if you arent going to get slg shoulders do whatever

[cunning surge]

Hands are preferred iirc if you're planning on doing M SLG

Otherwise yeah either is fine

[tender folio]

Go with shoulders for tmog 😛

They aint that bad 😄

[stoic needle]

honestly the gloves look cooler mog wise

[thorn turtle]

Got 3 226 slots in wault to get shit tomorrow

Feelsgoodman

[shy dust]

Comparing sin

To chess

[quiet juniper]

Is zoldyck still a good lego ?

[shy dust]

Might be the most laughable thing I’ve ever heard

[tender folio]

It is for executes and sometimes in myth+

But doomblade is taking over for ST

[thorn turtle]

I’d still let some time pass before crafting stuff

[quiet juniper]

I'll play mostly mm+ and pvp, what do you recommend then ?

[tender folio]

Well I'm running with MA , i just love that item so much 😄

That crit is dope, also now it will scale with melee attacks making them as well 100%% crit

[thorn turtle]

I run ma and zoldycks, choosing by a coin flip

[tender folio]

in the same window

[quiet juniper]

Ok and what about Duskwalker's Patch, will it becomre interesting with the last buff ?

[tender folio]

I dont think it lines up with other CDs

So it wont be used that much

As Pog said, best option is just to wait a bit until everything cools off

If you aint in a hurry

[quiet juniper]

Ok, will probably do the coinflip thing between zoldyck and doomblade then

[thorn turtle]

My 190 dashing is getting dusty

[quiet juniper]

Well I just hit 60 and I rly want a legendary to start doing stuff :/

[thorn turtle]

Not that dashing huh

[tender folio]

Adoul you can always check the pins for more info

Regarding bis and all that stuff

[quiet juniper]

tbh I forgot about that

[gleaming reef]

Doesn't make much sense though, mutilate does like 1.6k less damage and only offers one more combo point out of stealth. Wouldn't ambush - slice - covenant ability (with MA timing) be more efficient?

[livid thistle]

Damn switched to Venthyr and now cant go further cause the quest is bugged :p fun

[quaint phoenix]

I thought about the same thing but only had 2 wq available, but will try that tomorrow big thanks

[balmy condor]

mut > ambush is a pretty complicated question with a not-simple reason

[low girder]

the combo point possibility is easier to explain so that's what i default to 😛

[balmy condor]

it may well be better to ambush from pure stealth, but the APL also goes through the list on vanishes and stuff

so you get combo point thresholding shenanigans

you also get some issues with the theoretical outcome of a mutilate when you play blindside

cause a mutilate technically is 1/3rd of an ambush in that case

on top of that, mutilate is 2 hits, which can double proc poisons

[gleaming reef]

so the reason for mutlilate is because of the ambush proc chance? that does make sense

[balmy condor]

I mean it's one of the reasons

[stoic needle]

it's the ambush proc chance, the extra CP, and the increased chance to proc poisons

[balmy condor]

it's a little backwards logically, but there's a lot of little moving parts that allow mutilate to be better

[gleaming reef]

WAIT i'm stupid mutilate procs with both wepeons so does that mean they can both proc for even more cp points?

[low girder]

yes

[balmy condor]

that's how it gets 4

2 baseline, 1 crit for each hand

[cunning surge]

Yeah you can get 4cp with one cast

[gleaming reef]

hmmm so its based on odds that you'll likely also get blindside out of stealth i see

[nocturne hawk]

now throw doomblade into the discussion

[gleaming reef]

the bleed doesnt give cp if i recasll correctly

[balmy condor]

yes but the bleed doesn't exist with ambush

[nocturne hawk]

^

[balmy condor]

and honestly, it's a shitty thing to say, but on the mut/ambush stuff, you're just gonna have to trust me and the other tc's

[gleaming reef]

hmm i see, the proc chance makes the most sense while also giving more cp (and bleed from dooblade). I trust you guys more, I was just curious because it didn't make sense in my head but with that reasoning it makes more sense

[nocturne hawk]

I saw a lot of top logs opening with amb last night and i was confused af

[balmy condor]

the main reasoning for mut > ambush runs down to the fact that in the moments where you're in the situation to cast a mut or an ambush, the mut is better

so on paper, yes the ambush is better

[low girder]

the top sin rogue was opening with double garrote with subterfuge on ST for a while

[balmy condor]

but you look at it in context of the timing that you're in

[low girder]

even good players do the wrong thing

[balmy condor]

and then you want to mut

I mean to be fair, the ambush/mut thing is also like 0.7%

it's not that big

[tribal marlin]

can be niche for certain encounter if it's requiered at some point

Not a priority tho

er

[tender notch]

is a higher ilvl maim, mangle gonna be worth it over well-placed steel?

[balmy condor]

usually not, no

[cunning surge]

Can't believe that was chosen as our potency for CN

[misty holly]

What about speced Elaborate Planning rather than Blindside?

[low girder]

remember when our chosen "bis" azerite power was NP

[sweet swallow]

In comparison to what was chosen for Sub/Outlaw, yeah seems like an odd choice lol

[low girder]

it's like that

[balmy condor]

still mut

[misty holly]

Im guessing Doomblade makes it even more important to mut rather than ambush.

[balmy condor]

yes but even in m+ with zold and ep/subt

it's still mut

[misty holly]

this sounds like the kind of thing that 90% of rogues are going to get wrong. Like if you don't visit this discord who would ever think to not ambush.

[split veldt]

my PTR just started an update

WHAT COULD IT BE

[balmy condor]

it's not a huge gain or loss either way

[tribal marlin]

Mutilate tooltip is wrong tho

that's miss leading

you think ambush is doing twice as much damage reading tooltips

when it's actually not the case

[gleaming reef]

because the number is actually x2 for mut

[balmy condor]

not quite, no

mut damage is calculated as 100% mainhand 50% offhand

[gleaming reef]

oh thats weird

[low girder]

and the tooltip is showing 25% OH iirc

right now

[balmy condor]

correct

[low girder]

for whatever reason

[tribal marlin]

on tooltip yes

even more

but that's miss leading because mutilate tooltip is wrong

[split veldt]

rip, maim, mangle

but i guess it's w/e lash comes off sire

[misty holly]

Ugh so you have to do heroic sludge to get higher than a 200 maimmangle?

[balmy condor]

yes

either that or venari

[misty holly]

Time to pug i guess! My guild is sitting a lockout on heroic denathrius until we kill it lol

which might be a while

[vital haven]

wait WUT

you can only get 3 conduits?

[forest wing]

if shiv is coming out of cd and rupture has like 10 secs should i reaply it with 1~2 combo points or should i delay shiv to get new rupture with pandemic/ 5cp rupture?

[balmy condor]

you should just slam the shiv

[forest wing]

even if rupture or maybe garrote drops for 1~2 seconds after?

dunno if i'm fucking something up, but it happens multiple times to me

also this is assuming i'm not refring dots during shiv window

[tribal marlin]

4 with the covenant conduit on Sire as well

[gleaming reef]

if you crit with mutilate does that mean the bleed is going to be as strong as the crit mutilate for its duration? (doomblade)

[slender urchin]

Does Mind numbing work on raid bosses?

[split veldt]

4 potency added, cov is on sire

[vital haven]

true

[split veldt]

better than nothing, should make rolling with stygia easier

and at least lash off sire is BiS

[vital haven]

at least i can finally get 226 cto

[hollow barn]

why does garrotte not give 2 cp when it crits?

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

It doesn't have an instant-damage portion to it. It just applies a dot.

[split veldt]

if we get 213 lash off sire, can we get the 226 from purple calling?

[hollow barn]

lame as

[limber lion]

No, you get it from mythic sire

[hollow barn]

callings only give max 200

[split veldt]

i heard purple calling can give you upgraded ones

[limber lion]

You've been lied to.

[split veldt]

i got a 200, upgraded for 145 or w/e it is, a friend said they got a 213 after a 200

[hollow barn]

they didn't

[torn atlas]

If you watch name plates or where ever you have your bleeds and stuff show up, it might stick to the raid boss for half a tick and fall off.
I think there was a discussion weeks back about if it actually has an effect or not, not sure what the verdict was tho.

[limber lion]

You cannot get 213/226 potency conduits from callings.

You get those from Ven'ari

[hollow barn]

only venari and now raid

[limber lion]

Or the raid in this instance

[split veldt]

word, so 200 max

ive skipped every calling until i switched to veny

[gleaming reef]

yea well placed steel 226 not available in the raid sadge

[split veldt]

dont worry, just kill mythic sire for 226 lash

ez

[limber lion]

213 and honestly 200 lash is more than enough :')

[hollow barn]

Pog I’ll tell my guild to stop wiping slugs at 1% so we can go sire

[split veldt]

yeah im gonna try to pug a heroic sire tomorrow right away, so i can try to have it by raid, we dont do alt heroic until sunday

[gleaming reef]

mythic drop is 233 :p

[split veldt]

oh fuck

you right

[limber lion]

No

[split veldt]

does that count for conduits tho

[limber lion]

Not for the conduit

[gleaming reef]

sadge

[split veldt]

oh boo

[lament mica]

233 conduits don't exist u memers

[gleaming reef]

rip off

[nocturne orchid]

Doomblade on hands, so Zoldyck on boots?

[gleaming reef]

233 gear but not conduits

[limber lion]

You get 213 heroic as well, not 220

[strange python]

optimal opener for sin?

[balmy condor]

legs over boots

[nocturne orchid]

!bis

[signal gulch]

get fucked

[limber lion]

@balmy condor will the Envenom fix be in the next nightly build?

[balmy condor]

yeah, but the next nightly build is also the 9.0.5 build

so probably not tonight

[limber lion]

Alright, sweet.

[radiant fossil]

@limber lion trust me, Dena isnt a better fight than slg. Its a shit show on p1 with fps drop due to many adds. P2 is a gamble on which melee will fail his kick 😂
Maybe because i main hunt i find slg cool.

[tacit pebble]

slg is legit the worst fight since ghuun

literally no part of it was enjoyable

[limber lion]

Yeah, I don't know. I find it awful when you make little to no progress and are forced to play a different spec.

Just wiped 3 hours on it today and we barely made any progress

And with Hunters getting nerfed next patch, we'll probably fall behind on our current progress as well.

We heavily relied on hunters for shields/adds.

[radiant fossil]

We had like maybe 4/5 bugs on slg during our 110 pulls. Rest was just personnal mistake.
@limber lion whats the reason of your wipes if i may ask.

[gleaming reef]

I actually enjoy sludgefist mythic

[limber lion]

No clue honestly. I feel like our overall dps is just on the low side and we struggle killing Skirmishers quick enough and have Goliath sitting at 30% for too long

[low girder]

how the hell, we get blades bugging like 2-3 times a night lol

[balmy condor]

slg is stone legion

[low girder]

just whirls and whirls around the target

[gleaming reef]

ah yea that boss can go kill itself

[limber lion]

We have pulls where the adds die quickly and it's ezpz then we have 10 pulls where we push the boss too quick, adds don't die or someone fucks something up

Our progress is so inconsistent, it's infuriating

[gleaming reef]

we solved this problem by having the whole raid soak the 2nd one so we had one less soak to do

[limber lion]

Wut

[gleaming reef]

ah wrong phase, was thinking phase one thought u were complaining about doing too much dps that u had to stop dps

[radiant fossil]

@limber lion Depends on your guild comp but you need a lot of people to mono goliath and boss. We have 3 huntards and they almost kill skirmishers by themselves. The fight is actually just a control of timers. Once you got it its easy.

@low girder really ? we only had a few bug with blades. 2-3 at max

[limber lion]

We're still talking about SLG, not Sire.

[low girder]

yeah happened a shitton our first few nights

now that we're not wiping in first intermission it's not as common

[radiant fossil]

As a rogue, i can understand how the fight is frustating and boring.

[limber lion]

Yeah. Our damage is just so inconsistent. I think what would help is just giving out roles for what everyone's focusing

Now we just do the "ok skirmishers spawned, everyone swap" tactic which is a bit of a mess

[radiant fossil]

@limber lion Yep, you need to do that. Otherwise everyone pop cooldowns to pump meter on adds.

[limber lion]

We also have a lot of cleave classes so everything just gets cleaved and dies at similar times

[limber lion]

Yeap

[radiant fossil]

People need to understand how a progress work. You need to put your ego aside and play for the kill.

We had like 30 pulls where people couldnt do a stop dps on adds. Then adds pop shield and its gg.

[spare flame]

Can someone help me decide what legendary to make. Im about to head into M sludgefist progression and I have Akaari and Celerity maxed.

Is assa worth playing over outlaw on any of the last 3?

[balmy condor]

sire for sure

[gleaming reef]

sludge / sire

[balmy condor]

would want zoldyck for sire p3

[slender urchin]

I'm curious why NF is simming higher than venthyr for me

[gleaming reef]

patch not out yet also lashing

[median igloo]

we still flag before vendetta even after the buff + lashing conduit?

[slender urchin]

sorry, on my PTR sims**

[fleet whale]

If you don't have Lashing NF may still sim higher for some people

considering they are quite close with out it

[gleaming reef]

lashing is why it sims higher

[balmy condor]

vend -> lashing at the same time

[median igloo]

k

[slender urchin]

I did PTR sim with lashing when venthyr

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8ybKdDA5u4yLmF7MEcaPsA/simc

the difference is pretty small, I just expected venthyr to be like ~1% ahead

[fleet whale]

well you are using Deeper

[median igloo]

does the buff also make delaying flag to lineup with vend a thing?

[slender urchin]

I simmed Vigor too, Deeper was just higher

[spare flame]

So are most of you swapping to venthyr?

[median igloo]

or still just flag on cd unless fight will end before

[fleet whale]

I am at least

[slender urchin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ixsAsw6DJHEBePMdzqpQRi/simc

That was my NF sim

[gleaming reef]

in ur sims i don't see dauntless duelist for some reason

[slender urchin]

Bingo that might be it!

[low girder]

yeah your first sim only has 1 conduit and no DD

[slender urchin]

I borrowed someone's string for Nadjia / Lashing since I'm NF on live

They must not have been 30+

[fleet whale]

3% from dauntless> any potency conduit

[slender urchin]

Could anyone send me their Nadjia string from /simc

covenant="venthyr"
soulbind="nadjia_the_mistblade:8,331586/229:5/331576/235:7/331579/232:7

this part

[gleaming reef]

depends on lashing ilevel

[fleet whale]

well, i guess is should've clarified

2nd potency lol

[tribal marlin]

talents="3320021"
covenant="venthyr"
soulbind="nadjia,thrill_seeker/lashing_scars:7/dauntless_duelist"```

you can use that as well

no need for ids

[slender urchin]

amazing, thank you

[tribal marlin]

works for every soulbind trait / conduit

space are always "_" any other special character (like ' or - ) is ignored

well-placed steel is wellplaced_steel

[slender urchin]

THERE we go

Venthyr @ 6529, NF at ~6400

This pleases me

[tribal marlin]

niya's tools : burrs is niyas_tools_burrs basically

[gleaming reef]

ye it's pretty good upgrade

[slender urchin]

I always get caught up in the spell codes that I forget you can use the text oo

The wild part is that, even WITHOUT dauntless duelist, they were basically equal

Which means that switching isn't really a downgrade even without Dauntless (if I don't grind up to renown 30 in time for raid)

[balmy condor]

you can also top gear sim, and then just grab the lines from the profile

[spare flame]

Wait, does lashing scars only drop from world bosses

[balmy condor]

callings, venari, and sire on tuesday

[spare flame]

venari?

[balmy condor]

maw chick

[cyan echo]

maw vendor

[balmy condor]

wouldn't suggest it

[spare flame]

oh as a randomn

so heroic sire will drop?

[slender urchin]

If I have all 200+ conduits and I switch to Venthyr and theoretically have no lashing scars, will my venari gamble be an ilevel 200 scars?

[cyan echo]

just do callings

in that scenario

[slender urchin]

If you are missing any conduits it will teach you these first at item level 145.

Found the answer on wowhead

So it would upgrade it one ilevel jump at a time

So yeah, calling op

[tribal marlin]

it will be a 145 lashing scars, but you keep the WQ ilvl upgrade when switching covenant so you will get 200 lashing scars in on of your 3 calling

[slender urchin]

beautiful

I also was venthyr at the start and I think I already had a 200 scars

Will it still be there when I return?

[little moth]

yoooooooooooooooo

[odd heath]

YEEEEEY

Envenom pandemics again

[pliant nest]

Fixed an issue that was causing Doomblade’s bleed effect to incorrectly be affected by Armor.

thats also pretty nice, isnt it?

[balmy condor]

The envenom pandemic bug was fixed. This makes dashing sim within 0.5% of doomblade. Doomblade still seems to be the better choice. It does not change the evaluations otherwise. Please refer to the pins below this for more info. I will re-sim everything later this week and update all the pretty pictures to account for the stuff

[stoic needle]

Doomblade stonks

[tender river]

Do we have a sense of how much the fix to Envenom pandemic timers is in terms of DPS gain?

[thorn plover]

pog

assaassinaation to the moon

[tender river]

Just in general, not necessarily tied to Dashing

[balmy condor]

roughly 100

[stoic needle]

From worst spec in the game to nearly best melee spec

[thorn plover]

all you early SL sin investors getting your GME payouts tmrw

[stoic needle]

What a wild ride it's been

[slender urchin]

And this change is not in sims?

[lament vale]

and 8 months from now mastery stack will be amazing and oshosi is going to laugh at everybody else

[balmy condor]

it is, but not on raidbots

[slender urchin]

Wow

[balmy condor]

aight me go do keys everything is in the pins don't explode

[slender urchin]

Yellow at the top of the charts

[balmy condor]

[slender urchin]

Can't wait to see it

[pulsar sluice]

OBYS

[stoic needle]

[pulsar sluice]

BOYS

we're going to the moon

[stoic needle]

Just watch

We will get some absolutely cracked the fuck out borrowed power in 9.1 or 9.2 that makes mastery our best stat behind haste

Oshostradamus has spoken.

[lament mica]

they heard ppl complaining outlaws needs a buff

and they said, yea? watch this idiots

[cyan echo]

are you guys crafting vers/haste on doomblade?

[gleaming reef]

im haste crit already have 1k versa lol

[stoic needle]

That's what I did

[cyan echo]

yea i see a lot of crit haste too

[stoic needle]

They're both fine tho

Haste mastery for the true chads

[cursive cloak]

So is assa pog on reset or nah? Thinking about going back to rogue and dont know what spec to play

[stoic needle]

I would say being top 3 simming single target melee dps is quite 'poggers'

[faint canopy]

!bis

:c

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor why are my new sims not here yet?

[fleet whale]

Wow scath in assassination channel

now that's a rare sight to see

[tribal marlin]

Lashing scars 100% going to be nerfed hahaha if they start nerf Divine Toll

in pvp*

[fleet whale]

pvp nerf will prolly happen

idk about pve it will prolly stay as it is

at least for now

[cursive cloak]

nice one, thank you 🙂 and I assume we still go outl for m+? currently bastion on my outl rogue, do I need to switch or is kyr viable?

[stoic needle]

Depends on how high keys you're doing. I got KSM as sin only this weekend

But outlaw is usually better

Kyrian is viable but it's the worst atm

[cyan echo]

both

[tribal marlin]

Lashing Scars + Dauntless Duelist in ST

[nocturne hawk]

Just gotta do boregast tonight and ill be sitting ready for that rk4 doomblade can't wait sins

[viral vigil]

Tomorrow is gonna be fun

It's a grind of M+ and LFR For renown

[tribal marlin]

Scars + WPS isn't that far ahead but still 1% behind.
If there is important single add to be killed during an encounter, it will be better to drop that 1% and go WPS + Scars

[stoic needle]

Does DD apply to a new target after the first one dies?

[tender river]

Yes

Next target attacked after your Rival dies

[tribal marlin]

Like there is not goo example in CN but we can find one pretty accurate example in dungeons actually :

Plaguefall 2nd boss. Imagine a raid boss that have that kind of add spawning that you need to fully switch ST on it. Then you will drop DD to get WPS

A bit like Fetid Devourer if you ever progressed this boss

[bleak hound]

What leggo is looking good for assassination tomorrow?

[tribal marlin]

https://i.imgur.com/mETcIlT.png I'm alll ready 😄

[viral vigil]

I got to renown 14 in a day before I called it quits

through like 4 Nathria bosses, and a M+ tour

[fleet anchor]

Someone ban Whispyr from pinning things

He should have to answer all these questions every time

Otherwise he's not really working for it

[outer siren]

who let's him leave his computer?

does he think this is a game or something?

Chain him to the table imo

[balmy condor]

zine actually shackles me to the leg of my desk

[outer siren]

hahahaha

[echo cargo]

Same

I mean what- lag.

[slow marsh]

-p hercules zero to hero

[clever cliff]

I want to continue to play outlaw and assa from tomorrow. Already got an MA - reckon build a doomblade and do assa ST fights only? Or still suggest a zoldyck

[spare flame]

Is Zoldyck worth for sludge at all?

[thorn plover]

i would think so

[spare flame]

I really wanna go doomblade but Im being told zoldyx is strong for sire

I guess Ill have time to make both

[thorn plover]

it is

[clever cliff]

hmm okay, execute niche maybe worth then

[wanton path]

hello, outlaw rogue imposter here. I'm about to make doomblade in anticipation of the ass rogue buffs and I see the stat weights for ass are haste>verse=crit. That said I am already stacked with vers from maining outlaw up untill this point so my question is should I make the lego as haste verse or haste crit

[wide ridge]

i'm making haste vers because the difference for me is 5dps and with vers it's more useful in pvp

[wanton path]

yeh righto ill sim it

[dense narwhal]

How do you get lashing scars

I R sad

[coral pawn]

there is a WQ in maldraxxus with it up

[dense narwhal]

ilu

[coral pawn]

aww shucks

[dense narwhal]

I'm a pathetic wee rogue for not knowing that.

[coral pawn]

i had a habit of looking for the diviners bell for sub M+...i mouse over all the WQs and caught it lol

[sharp marsh]

probably a dumb question, but is assassination better than sub for pve as of tomorrow?

[flint ridge]

is venthyr bis now for assass?

[coral pawn]

check pins

[spare flame]

[sharp marsh]

i don't think the pins really compared it to sub

i read them

[lament mica]

so maim, mangle is the potency we get from raid and its from 1 of the hardest bosses?

[coral pawn]

oh...thats because sub is poop outside of pvp

[dense narwhal]

wtb more conduit energy

[sharp marsh]

that's fair, assass was pretty trash in pve the last patch though

[lament mica]

1 of the best executes in the game where the most important phase of the most important boss is full on execute

so idk bout that

but overall prob lol

[sharp marsh]

is it really fun to only be good on one fight though

[tight ravine]

anyone have any sin rogue POV videos?

[sharp marsh]

hoping the patch changes that 😄

[lament mica]

naw, ur right. im just saying they weren't exactly trash if they have a pretty nice niche and the niche is needed

[dawn belfry]

condemn doe

[tribal marlin]

it's not execute patchwerk, it's boss starting health = 40%

[lament mica]

so sin is the best execute in the game then

[tribal marlin]

There is a part of innacuratie because of Bloodlust timing tho

[tribal marlin]

I don't know, but it was mostly equal to DK and a bit ahead of warrior in this very particular setup (boss starting health 40%) before the patch

so might be now yeah

[lament mica]

has to be with flag

and all the other changes

envenom pandemic, snd then never press it again too

[cursive cloak]

anyone have a macro that casts slice n dice instead of envemon if slice and dice is close to dropping off ? or is that not a thing

[lament mica]

next patch u will snd then not hajve to worry again

so u dont need that macro

[cursive cloak]

perfect

just literally started levelling my rogue today having mained it for 5 years prior to this expac so keep forgetting to press SND

[tacit forum]

Macro for pve is more for openings and I still think it’s weird

[tawny shell]

is there a command for the simc for advanced?

[tacit forum]

So many variables

[lament mica]

using a macro for an opener makes no sense ya

[cursive cloak]

I'll just sit on dummys for 20/30 mins going through opener anyways

[dense narwhal]

GUYS

I'm buzzed

[lament mica]

macros should jsut be like trnket+CD or for something very specific like feral owlweaving

[dense narwhal]

I think I'm facebook officially rerolling Sin.

Sorry guild

[cursive cloak]

I'm guessing it feels a lot more fluid next patch too right?! I found today that you dont press envemon much bc you have to reapply something new every second finisher

[dense narwhal]

not only that

flagellation is a 1 take Drake.

no re-activation

and hits harder

We gucci

[lone pine]

no 2nd activation is actually the best part

[lament mica]

ya the change should make maintaining snd easier

ya the worst part of old flag was being worried about getting gcd-locked and completely not getting the haste

amazing that mechanic existed for a second, let alone months

[subtle imp]

I mean it was just razor coral the covenant ability

Minus the you didn’t have to reactivate if you didn’t want to

[dense narwhal]

sNugz stop meme-ing me

I get that it's nice to be able to control it for that ceiling action

but it's dumbbbb. 20 seconds is FOREVER

[balmy condor]

Quick Legendary Comparison, will replace the old pin when everything gets resimmed

[dense narwhal]

damn zoldyck...

How the mighty hath fallen.

[balmy condor]

(it's no covenant btw)

to avoid things like zold sbs and all that nonsense

[dense narwhal]

Is Zoldyck still fine for m+?

[balmy condor]

yes

zold is the play in m+

[cunning surge]

It's still gonna be hella strong on long execute fights like Sire

[dense narwhal]

Most excellent.

[tribal marlin]

yeah but it's sad it's that behind overall. I'd rather want Assa to have less overall dps and big big execute (like if Zoldyck would include Envenom damage as well)

[dim shoal]

That bug fix for doomblade ignoring armor doesn’t do anything for sims right?

[strange python]

doomblade armor thing and envenom pandemic fixes new?

[regal chasm]

If garrote is gonna drop during shiv but you're lowish on energy would you still refresh early? Since that probably means getting off 1 less envenom

[tribal marlin]

It has been fixed in sims already

[cunning surge]

Ye a h, I really like Sin's execute overall with Blindsided and shit

[tribal marlin]

yes you do, having dot not falling off is an absolute priority

[split veldt]

[strange python]

doomblade ignoring armor now probably increase its dps a minor bit?

[tribal marlin]

still here ?

[young pebble]

With how close doom and DS are in ST, could DS actually be the more viable pick since it provides some value in AoE as well?

[stoic needle]

god

current flag is SUCH dogshit

its absolutely incredible

[stoic needle]

not really. you dont envenom in aoe very much

[trim zinc]

true im using that for like a half a week and that suuuucks

[stoic needle]

in any serious aoe fight you wouldnt use DS or doomblade

[lean fossil]

so tomorrow how many people will macro flag to vendetta lol

[trim zinc]

but in anypoint DS can be better then doom?

[stoic needle]

hopefully 0

[stone pilot]

At least 27 ppl will

[lean fossil]

@stoic needle you have a lot of faith lol

[pulsar sluice]

WOuld be dumb cuz u can flag 4 times in 3 vendetta windows

[trim zinc]

diferent cds so idk

[stoic needle]

if there was a fight where you were trying to funnel i guess dashing will be better but you would play sub then and funnel is kind of a meme

[main blaze]

I am curious about the doomblade and armor fix. Was that in sims before?

[stoic needle]

yes

[lean fossil]

also we want to try and line flag up with vendetta right? but dont delay a huge cast?

also on sludge should we pop flag before he runs to pillar so we can get full effect on the pillar then?

or you guys going to try to pop on pillar?

[stoic needle]

no you should use flag on the pillar because flag's initial hit does a lot of damage

[lean fossil]

ahhh yeah the lashing?

[trim zinc]

and in a full ST fight??

[stoic needle]

pretty much never

for lining up flag and vendetta if i understand it correctly you want to use flag on CD but delay the last cast of it in the fight to line up with vendetta only if that means you won't lose a flag cast

you need to know your raid's kill time for that specific boss

[lean fossil]

ahhh

and the last cast would be for like sub 30% if youre running zold?

[slow marsh]

For sludge line it up

for most stuff though it shouldn't super matter

It matters more in m+ when you're using theotar with tea time

[lean fossil]

in m+ is theotar going to be the go to?

[slow marsh]

yes

Tea time is just too good

[lean fossil]

how far off does his ability go from melee?

is it random or pretty close to you?

[slow marsh]

its on top of you

[lean fossil]

oh so you just dont move? lol

[slow marsh]

usually no

and its pretty big area. fairly easy to stay in

[limber swallow]

you have a decent sized area to walk around / avoid stuff in

but like Euphoria, it's pretty random so you can't plan around it at all

[stoic needle]

i have it happen on the first attack of a pull pretty frequently

and yeah, the area is pretty big. usually covers up the whole pull if its stacked like it should be

[limber swallow]

yea, cuz it's PPM, right?

[tribal marlin]

I redid my execute sim (it was scuffed) and sadly zoldick is not that ahead in Execute xD

Like in Sire case, if you use Vendetta at 40% and then around 20% during lust, you basically win nothing going Zoldyck over Doomblade

[stoic needle]

is that how ppm effects work? do they 'charge' up when you aren't hitting stuff?

[tribal marlin]

And Zoldyck pull ahead a little bit (by like 3.5%) in full execute sim, but ...

[nocturne hawk]

damn

[lean fossil]

i cant wait for the patch tomorrow

[nocturne hawk]

Tomorrow is the day I'm truly happy I retired the DH lmao

[lean fossil]

us sin boys are going to be top dogs in raid 😄

[limber swallow]

I would assume that if it has been on CD for a long time, it's going to proc nearly immediately on pull, because I've definitely seen that behavior as well. But I dunno.. just what I've experienced w/theotar.

[lean fossil]

ive been given so much shit for playing sin until they see the dmg we can do

after tomorrow i doubt anyone will say anything lol

[stoic needle]

they laughed at us

now we will laugh at them from the top of the meters

[lean fossil]

whats even better

is we used to not burst as high as some classes

after tomorrow we will burst with them but maintain!

question is, how many outlaw rogues going to cry

[nocturne hawk]

I just never wanna count my chickens before they hatch

[limber swallow]

nah, outlaw will still be crazy in m+

[nocturne hawk]

Sub launch hurt hard =\

[lean fossil]

oh yeah dont get me wrong, outlaw will still be king in m+ for rogues

[cursive cloak]

sub launch made me re-roll unholy dk

[lean fossil]

but i can give that to them

[cursive cloak]

im back now

[flint ridge]

Can someone shed light what this do? "Fixed an issue that prevented Envenom's buff from retaining up to 30% of its duration when refreshed."

[lean fossil]

so before hand when you envenom'd it would put it at what 5 seconds?

now if you refresh it at 2 seconds left it should go to what 6-7 seconds?

[balmy condor]

do you know what pandemic is?

[sonic iris]

what are the covenants for ST and cleave

[balmy condor]

the problem was that envenom did not pandemic

and now it will

[balmy condor]

[sonic iris]

oh ok

[flint ridge]

thank you!

[sonic iris]

does venthyr work well if going sin for raid and outlaw for m+

[stoic needle]

yes

[regal chasm]

It works a bit less well for outlaw m+. As long as you're aware of the trade-off.

[dense axle]

so was doomblade bug fix buffed by whatever armor % is?

[icy crater]

so am I making doomblade or scoundrel

[pulsar sluice]

DOOOOOOOOMblade

[young pebble]

moodblade

[stoic needle]

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

we're doomers now bois

[icy crater]

im hype tbh

[young pebble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw

[icy crater]

still fae tho

[tribal marlin]

@stoic needle there it is finally managed to do what I wanted

[dense axle]

is the memory called doomblade?

[tribal marlin]

With Lust at exactly 120sec (which should be the case if you have some DK / Warrior)

[pulsar sluice]

when i think doom

[dense axle]

I cant get on my rogue to check

[cedar hare]

Where is fuu?

[pulsar sluice]

i think of the only doom you can actually think of

[lament mica]

memory of the doomded blade.

[pulsar sluice]

theres only one doom

[tribal marlin]

and with potion moved to lust insteed of pull,

Then Zoldyck is only 1% ahead of Doomblade in the case of Sire P3 only

[pulsar sluice]

Real ones know

the real doom

[stoic needle]

you mean sin on launch

[tribal marlin]

It's still 3% better in pure execute, and probably better if you Vendetta at 30% and 5%, but assuming you are not using Vendetta inside Lust doing so, I'm unsure it's overall better

[stoic needle]

that's interesting

[tribal marlin]

yeah :/

[stoic needle]

mixed feelings about doomblade being better than zold even in execute

[tribal marlin]

In pure excute it's Zoldyck is 3% better

[pulsar sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcQ853ibg08

[tribal marlin]

But sire phase 3 is not pure execute

fight start at 40%

[pulsar sluice]

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[icy crater]

im trying to craft doom

but no noobs are sitting at mailbox with long boy fml

catch me dead running to org

[bitter crow]

rse perno tote

[buoyant mauve]

gonna take me 2 more weeks after reset to get the soul ash for 235 doom

[tribal marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jiUxfcM4FDpyPw1v3d2hGi/simc feel free to double check yourself

in case I'm missed something, the APL change is only moving potion to lust rather than on pull since I moved lust to 20%

[pulsar sluice]

WHen you gonna change your icon to flag bro

[tribal marlin]

soon

[pulsar sluice]

like

11 hours kinda soon or

[tribal marlin]

is it betteR ?

[stoic needle]

[shy dust]

A fellow venthyr

[tight ravine]

DOOOOOOOOM

[stoic needle]

its kinda funny picking the absolute worst spec/cov combo just for looks and then it ends up being bis halfway through the tier

pure luck but still funny

[pulsar sluice]

i think you knew something all along

you were cackling in the sidelines

[placid mulch]

now that sire has been beaten the venthyr have been restored to their full power

[stoic needle]

truuue

[placid mulch]

just think they could've done this whole patch in rp

[tribal marlin]

Tho the "aura" on the weapon when flag is active

it's still bugged when weapon are not out

damn, was here since alpha day 1 and reported since alpha day1 xD

[icy crater]

just crafted 225 doom

we fucking IN IT

[tribal marlin]

btw Zoldyck might end up being better (comparatively) once they fix Envenom bug

[balmy condor]

pins

[tribal marlin]

the envenom fix is in your pinned message ?

the recent one

[balmy condor]

yes

[tribal marlin]

and the old one is still the old one ?

or you changed that one too

[balmy condor]

yes

that's why it says "will replace the old pin when everything gets resimmed"

[tribal marlin]

I don't get it

why is there no difference

[balmy condor]

hm

you're right

idk, I updated it

[tight ravine]

DOOOOOOOOOM

[balmy condor]

I'll check it

[tribal marlin]

or wait did you change the old pin

Maybe I missunderstood

[low girder]

give me my zoldyck hope

[balmy condor]

I'll look after this key

[tribal marlin]

nah man sorry but Zoldyck will not magically pull mile ahead

[low girder]

nah not a mile

maybe a % or 2

[tribal marlin]

but it will be better especially in execute range

but Dashing also benefit from Env fix

[low girder]

yeah i imagine scoundrel will either be super close or maybe slightly ahead

but i doubt it'll suddenly be a must-craft

[balmy condor]

there's a distinct possiblity that my local simc just didn't update all the way

change isn't in raidbots

so

[low girder]

the numbers look really similar, i didn't notice until he pointed it out

[tribal marlin]

he will update everything anyway once patch hit and raidbot is up to date for live sim etc...

so just wait a couple of day, and you'll be able to sim your own character anyway as well

[low girder]

yeah i'll be running my own tomorrow, although i expect envenom fix was too late to be added for tomorrow

[tribal marlin]

in sims you mean ?

[low girder]

yeah

[tribal marlin]

yeah envenom will be added

I mean we are probably not the only class that have "last minute changes" so simcraft will just being rebuild once everything is up to date

usually it doesn't take too long once patch hit

[tacit forum]

Doomblade and Envenom fixed

[low girder]

yeah true, there were a few in there

[tacit forum]

Tmw the Assassination army will rise on lfg

[strange python]

wait so assa is gonna be insane yea?

im a ww looking for a new home mind if i hang here?

[shy dust]

Assa will bring very strong ST damage

[tacit forum]

I not sure about insane compared to other classes lol

But much better yeah

[lament mica]

ww players would prob feel moer at home with war

[strange python]

nah ww are rogues without stealth

[tribal marlin]

Well The envenom buff is maybe another couple of % on top of everything else

I would not be surprise if Assa end up being ... the highest sim dps spec in the game actually

[stoic needle]

poor monks

[lament mica]

ya ST

[strange python]

dude monks are getting sent to the graveyard for sure

[shy dust]

Give us PI

And we will soar

[tribal marlin]

⛔

[stoic needle]

better than spriest or feral?

[slim sable]

the big question is do i craft zoldyck or doom

[stoic needle]

yes

[tacit forum]

You get Bm Hunter and Rogue. Fuse them and you have WW

[tribal marlin]

DK still best PI target during Army

that won't change 😄

[shy dust]

[stoic needle]

fuck DK

[shy dust]

Give us the 2nd PI*

[tacit forum]

We are seeing some improvements and Paladins,WW being nerfed

Life is good guys, life is good

[tribal marlin]

We're already ahead of feral, only SP and Frost mage are ahead

[stoic needle]

wow

that's.... broken

[tacit forum]

Now we just nerf convoke and gg

[tribal marlin]

But frost mage is simbait and they are both caster that requiert legit 0 movement to have a chance to perform this number

[stoic needle]

meanwhile we do that much easily

[patent vine]

so i dont have any sin rogue leggos, which one should i make tomorrow

[lament mica]

wats the numbers for ass ST? i forget

feral is like 7450

[stoic needle]

fuu posted 7.35k earlier

but then envenom bug fix will add 100 to taht

[strange python]

for those sims for venthyr ST, where could i find the talent build for that

[stoic needle]

3322221

[tribal marlin]

hero damage say feral is 7000

[strange python]

do you know if anything there changes for pvp other than MfD

[stoic needle]

EP and internal bleding

[strange python]

cool both passives ty

[lament mica]

wats hero damage? decent amount of websites don't take into account some optimizations feral made

[tribal marlin]

Most common pvp build is Master / Subter / MFD / Elus / IB / Alc / PB

Exsg not bad as well

[spice spire]

Exsanguinate

[shy dust]

You run master in PvP not EP

[tribal marlin]

I'm pretty sure HD is using default Feral APL. Maybe they don't activate owlweave tho

simcraft official sim with owlweave is 7200

[lament mica]

ya i was thinking of owlweave

is taht with bis gear full 233 tho? cuz it should be a lil higher

[tribal marlin]

yeah I see a lot of peeps runing Master poisoner in pvp

EP is more bursty tho, but Master give better MS and better slow

[shy dust]

Yeah better MS is very nice

[tribal marlin]

I'd say both are fine

Master poisonner has been so much nerfed in pvp

I mean the MS

it's like maybe 25% with Master

and 20% without

don't have the exact numbers

[crimson stump]

Quick question do you guys think this huge buff to venthyr will make that the best covenant for assa

[low girder]

for ST yes

also check pins

[crimson stump]

For arenas

Not pve

[low girder]

that's #pvp

[tribal marlin]

I can tell you that Venthyr will be extremely broken in Arena for a couple a days

Then Lashing Scars might end up being nerfed by like 50% in PvP

and it will still be extremely good, but believe me actually you kill people in 3 global when activate Flagellation

[crimson stump]

awesome ty have been debating on swapping

[nocturne hawk]

Oh yeah MA nerf goes in tomorrow too... no more skulker/vessel cheese

[cunning surge]

Or NW weapon duty

[nocturne hawk]

Oh well, it was fun

[cunning surge]

Unless you mean just PvP, in which case yeah

[nocturne hawk]

yeah

[tribal marlin]

Can you imagine that rogue will do maybe 25% more damage than havoc

dafuq is wrong with the game

Blizzard plz

[cunning surge]

Idk shit about DH

[nocturne hawk]

debuff class

Sooo glad I rerolled at launch

[cunning surge]

The only thing I know about DH is that they're mostly just used for Chaos Brand

[reef axle]

so wowhead guide opens with mut, IV guide opens with flag...which one is it >.<

[nocturne hawk]

gonna be mut

[young pebble]

i trust wowhead above IV

[reef axle]

true, thought was weird opening with flag

[spice spire]

Depends on second tier talent (though idk about opening with flag, chief, seems sus)

[north basin]

so bug fix only made other legendary catchup on meters. it wont change our current bis 7300k dps profile?)

[tribal marlin]

It's not that bad actually, did some apl testes about it

but it's like, neutral change

[balmy condor]

@tribal marlin you're right, my local sim didn't update for some reason

[tribal marlin]

but I was not doing Flag 1st global, but Mut > Flag > slice

[stoic needle]

[tribal marlin]

s owhat's the numbers

[deft vault]

Wow they fixed envenom bug lmao

[spice spire]

Part one is done. Next week I’ll have joined the vampire cult, I mean covenant

[balmy condor]

simming now

[spice spire]

ARE YOU HAPPY?

[stoic needle]

[north basin]

imagine doomblade droping to number2 spot!

[stoic needle]

Doubt

[cunning surge]

[tribal marlin]

Well anyway, standard opener is Mut > Snd > Mut (ambush if BS proc) > Gar > Rupt > Flag > Vend

[cunning surge]

Yeah that sounds right

[tribal marlin]

But you can also do Flag > Rup > Vend

like this one better

[manic harness]

so it is Pandemicing again?

[deft vault]

Yeah

[manic harness]

so which legendary is that a buff for again?

[tribal marlin]

Zoldyck and Dashing

[stoic needle]

Technically all of them

[deft vault]

Wasn't that a 100 Dps gain?

[stoic needle]

Just makes the gap between doomblade and dashing/zold smaller

Ye

[strange python]

what rogue lego was used on those sims?

[deft vault]

Damn we gaining like 400 Dps tmrw

[tribal marlin]

I'm gaining like 900 xD

[balmy condor]

doomblade for single target, MA for aoe unless stated otherwise

[deft vault]

Jfc

@tribal marlin with doom blade?

[strange python]

Thanks whispyr, how big of a ST loss is it to go MA?

[golden briar]

how do we sim with the 9.0.5 buffs? do we need to change any setting in raidbots?

[balmy condor]

there's legendary comparisons in the sim, but I'm resimming atm for the envenom fix

[strange python]

thanks!!!!!!!!

[balmy condor]

ptr=1 at the top of an advanced sim, or wait about 12 hours

[strange python]

sorry to hit you with the same question everyone else has been asking over and over xd

[north basin]

bring da sims! bring da updated sims!

[spice spire]

He’s working boys and gals.
The dev team really wanted this past week to be a sim week for everyone

[tribal marlin]

processor over 99.99%, maybe his discord crashed who knows

[cunning surge]

Computer working harder than a Bitcoin miner

[shadow helm]

ASSASS SAVED?

[spice spire]

Lmao

[shadow helm]

ENVENOM PANDEMIC RSTORED?

[tribal marlin]

I wonder how much dollar it would be if the raidbot servers were mining coins insteed of running sims hahaha

[cunning surge]

Oh damn I didn't even think of that

[dark token]

depends where the hosting is, a lot of places charge by compute

so it wouldnt actually make money even to run bitcoin mining in downtime of no usage

[flint ridge]

anyone experience the bug where the first campaign on venthyr is stuck and no way to progress?

been reading forums and it has still been going on

[balmy condor]

yeh

[nocturne hawk]

Too many converts

[flint ridge]

how to deal with it? 😦

[north basin]

so if current bis 7232 dps , we get another bump here after resim. owwowowo

tothemoon!

[tribal marlin]

imagine if all these computational power were using to actively made the maths research going forward insteed of being gated behind $$

hahaha

[tribal nest]

really hoping to get mortregar in rotation tm

[north basin]

imagine mankind being more into maths than tiktoks. we could be on mars already

[tribal marlin]

research on mathematics topic can be dangerous for the society we know

I mean, can involve important changes

people fear changes 😄

[north basin]

research in genetics and bio can be more dangerous xD

maths just the instrument)

[shadow helm]

just do twisting corridors

lol

dont have to wait for layers to be in rotation

[faint canopy]

This is gonna be kinda random, but I love the rogue community

We are the most tryhard class lmao

[stark heart]

imagine not using cli. smh my head

[faint canopy]

i love coming here and having whispyr sim and everyone just super hyped about some numbers

i've been on other class discords and none of them is like this

[shadow helm]

sad

[north basin]

btw is it still a thingy to buy stuff for anima swap cov and then sell stuff to gain anima?

[tribal marlin]

yeah but like, if you go to war and I give you a sword you will be less efficient than if you go to war with a machine gun

if you see what I mean

[north basin]

in some degree ye. but there is a still things in maths which were discovered like 50 years ago and still no practical use

[balmy condor]

I'm too stupid and lazy tbh

[north basin]

and maybe in 200 years we will see some use of it

[vestal obsidian]

best bet is to put in a ticket, supposedly it will be fixed tomorrow with the patch according to a blue post on forums but who knows. I'm having the same issue

[fathom swift]

yeah i know that feeling

[balmy condor]

Updated Legendary Rankings with Envenom Fix:
(most legendaries gained 50-70ish dps, dashing gained ~100 dps).
Will update all pins later this week

[gusty mirage]

I’m ready to blade some doom

[spice spire]

Ty papa whisp

[tribal marlin]

dafuq why master assassin lost

[final star]

Because master Assassin is a talent

So you gain more value from other legendaries

Since you have 50% more crit

After vanish anyway

[tribal marlin]

oh right he might have sim MA with MA talent in that one

[final star]

No

[tribal marlin]

fuck it don't re-run make your PC a favor xD

[final star]

He would've simmed it with subterfuge

[shy dust]

I don’t think so

[last cedar]

unless..... he doesn't want us to know the meta

[shy dust]

Last sim it was 3.45%

I doubt it randomly lost 2%

Probably just ran with MA talent

[tribal marlin]

There is no reason for MA to loose dps because of Env fix, but fuck it it will be fixed when he update pins

[balmy condor]

Yes it’s with MA talented due to the profile

MA wouldve gained ~50 like everything else

[tribal marlin]

it surprise me that Zoldyck win that little, it litterally felt 2% behind other leggo when they fixed it last time

[balmy condor]

I’ll make that Distinction when I sim the pins

But I just wanted to get out a quick comparison, most people interested in doom/dash/zold anyways

And those are all accurate

(For reference, running that sim locally with 6 threads takes around 35-40 minutes)

[tribal marlin]

Now please run for every covenant and with WPS

kek

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[final star]

[fathom swift]

wait how does it take you that long?

are you doing like 250k iterations or something

[balmy condor]

0.3% target error

No, 0.1% actually

Cause the sim required it

Doom/dashing had potential to be really really close

[stoic needle]

no deathly shadows... smdh

[gusty mirage]

That’s it, I’m scheduling an intervention for you @stoic needle

[dense bramble]

ive just crafted a doomblade as first leggo, did i screw it up?

[stoic needle]

[regal crag]

is multi dotting a dps increase for council for energy gain

or do i just braindead hit 1

[stoic needle]

i need to know if EP MFD NS CT deathly is good in keys god dammit

[faint canopy]

Ummm

[nocturne hawk]

I garrote 1, prob wrong but

[faint canopy]

It's Count the Odds supposed to give me outlaw buffs when i Ambush on assassin?

[lament mica]

someone take out their calculator

[faint canopy]

because it does

[stoic needle]

it does

[dense bramble]

i wanna know it too

[stoic needle]

but a lot of the buffs don't work properly for sin

[gusty mirage]

No it’s not supposed to, but it’s getting fixed

[dim shoal]

if CDR worked bro

[stoic needle]

when is it getting fixed? 🤔

[dim shoal]

bis conduit

[balmy condor]

I didn’t hear about it getting fixed

[lament mica]

i think if its a dps loss or gain i'd prob throw dots on the others just cuz that energy regen feels so good

[gusty mirage]

I’ll try to find the wowhead linky link

I read it the other day

[fleet anchor]

CtO has been reported as working on Assassination since like..

[balmy condor]

Garrote yes, rupture no

[fleet anchor]

Middle of summer

I'd be surprised if they will even bother fixing it since it isn't very good

[lament mica]

so do u garrote literally everyting u can at all times?

[dense bramble]

i do

[lament mica]

this is assuming the target won't take the dam tho

[balmy condor]

Yeh pretty much

[lament mica]

so its just for the energy regen

[tribal marlin]

@fleet anchor always lurking in the shadows

[balmy condor]

Yes

[fleet anchor]

Garrote is a generator so not really much of a reason not to

[lament mica]

ok cool

[balmy condor]

Yeah that would surprise me too

[fleet anchor]

Yes of course, I'm a Rogue.

[balmy condor]

Green names who haven’t rerolled to other specs:
Koji
Whispyr
@arctic walrus

[tribal marlin]

They went a lot into bug fixing rogue recently and they still didn't make Zoldyck work on Env

I think it's intended 😦

[nocturne hawk]

Great now we need a sim with cto 🎲

[outer siren]

Have they unchained you yet whisp?

[ember stirrup]

Where can i found Assa 9.0.5 APL ?

[balmy condor]

No :)

[tribal marlin]

the big P and little p thingy, I swear I wouldn't be surprise it's their way to justify it as "work as intended"

[dim shoal]

🙂

[balmy condor]

My leg is numb

[fleet anchor]

If this whole Rogue thing doesn't work out, maybe I'll go back to being a depressed Havoc player

[outer siren]

[lament mica]

im so glad havoc is trash

[fleet anchor]

Or I will just play Furry Rogue instead

[dim shoal]

Ive been beating my d**** so goddamn much that i cant feel my left leg. My left leg has gone completely numb.

[nocturne hawk]

For real tho

[lament mica]

at least ST

[balmy condor]

Furry rogue? Are you not already fae

[lament mica]

vulpera rogue, classic

[cunning surge]

[fleet anchor]

I mean what's the difference to Assassination anyway

🤔

[lean jackal]

Feral actually does damage

[dim shoal]

The count the odds buff

[gusty mirage]

I can’t find it anymore, did I just imagine the fixes? am I just living in an alternate universe?

[balmy condor]

Cto is bad, not much lost

[tribal marlin]

my friend feral told me that Feral is basically Assa rogue, but more aweful to play

[gusty mirage]

I read that the ER find weakness thing was fixed too. I must have been high or something because now I feel like I imagined it all

[tribal marlin]

in the sense they don't have all that energy regen stuff etc..

[fleet anchor]

Feral and Assassination are honestly like exceptionally similar

Have been for a long time

[tribal marlin]

do you still have tiger's fury generating energy

[balmy condor]

The ER thing did get fixed right?

[tribal marlin]

like a bit like SoD I guess

[dark token]

@balmy condor is there a reason you use simc over raidbots btw

[balmy condor]

I’m not sure about that

[fleet anchor]

ER thing did get fixed

[dark token]

this 64 core cpu is way faster than my gaming rig

https://i.imgur.com/LF0oOYF.png

[balmy condor]

The envenom bug fix isn’t in raidbots so I’m forced to

[tribal marlin]

I was wondering if it was possible to override spell data for evenom using raidbot

[fleet anchor]

Nope

[tribal marlin]

but I didnot find anything in the wiki

[gusty mirage]

Yeah man idk anymore, I’m lost. I’ll go back to my cave and see if I can find this magical post about rogue bug fixes that I most likely made up in my brain

[tribal marlin]

pretty sure it's in the official patch note

[balmy condor]

That being said, I normally run everything in raidbots

[arctic walrus]

🏹

[gusty mirage]

It’s more of the cto conduit working for assa that I could swear I read, but I can’t find anywhere

[young pebble]

wait what

[tribal marlin]

https://i.imgur.com/sR9Qdvx.png

[gusty mirage]

Anywho, I’m going to stop talking about it because it’s nowhere to be found and I most likely imagined it lol

[tribal marlin]

god I missed this

[gusty mirage]

You don’t like dink dink dinking?

[icy crater]

Oh shucks I’m going to miss queueing into that

[tribal marlin]

I'm one of those who actually LOVE seething shore

so easy to outplay and fucking ENTIERE team by being a single rogue

[fleet anchor]

I miss queuing into it with a set group since we always kill random groups. I won't miss queueing into it with random groups.

[icy crater]

I don’t mind it but I swear it’s so hard to win

[gusty mirage]

I like seeing it because it means I didn’t queue into the stupid orb temple one for the 20th time that day

[wary night]

Does anyone have a link to sin new rotation with venth buff?

[tribal marlin]

Dude I have screen shot of us winning Seehting Shore with team getting shred 60 vh to 3 xD

[icy crater]

Seething and silver shard are the most stressful by far

[gusty mirage]

Temple of Getting Convoked is what they should rename that map

[tribal marlin]

I'm concerned about https://i.imgur.com/XFLG4Ah.png

[lament mica]

im kinda late to this convo but ya TF is +15% dam for 10 seconds and 50 energy. feral energy feels pretty slow and u have to pool a lot, but they also stack crit instead of haste. feral n ass def very similar

[balmy condor]

So you’re gonna do the thing you do now, and then when you go to recast flag, don’t.

[tribal marlin]

Does this mean I will queue vs 2000+ team because I have 2300cr in rbg ?

[nocturne hawk]

Battle for Gilneas too... hang back and sap stagger respawns

[icy crater]

No I think it’s low cr miki

[gusty mirage]

No it means in 2s you’ll get more CR for winning and lose less for losing

[wary night]

@balmy condor what if I dont know what to do.now lol, havent played sin since the start of expansion, multiple sote show different rotations

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

Those are all good

[wary night]

Ty!

[tribal marlin]

maybe I misunderstood, my english are not native, but I felt that it was an attempt to prevent people from boosting 2s basically

by matching 3k 3s player with higher palyer in 2s, even if they have low cr

[shy dust]

Why?

[gusty mirage]

It’s possible I misunderstood it as well, it’s not exactly clear what they plan on doing. But it feels like they’re trying to make 2s ratings more on par with the other 2

[faint harness]

I thought it was meant to make 2s easier to gain rating