assassination

[pale fiber]

id rahter be a druid reading all this i cant lie

[onyx wind]

I wouldnt mind having convoke to be fair

[pale fiber]

just a pick one and be good in all scnearios

[onyx wind]

Most fun ability in years

[stoic needle]

That's boring as shit

[onyx wind]

My bad

[spice spire]

We’ve had to min-max to be good for so long, it’s now the only thing we know

[pale fiber]

i dont care about boring if its a clear cut choice when the system is as flawed as covenants

[stoic needle]

And I wouldn't want to be constantly under threat of nerf bat

[gentle gyro]

or, OR, hear me out

[spice spire]

Convoke tuned = bis
Convoke currently = feelsbadbutton

[gentle gyro]

we do not tie player power to exclusive choices

[spice spire]

Convoke is fun, like let people have fun. But it’s just a touch overtuned.

[sleek sparrow]

Not in my blizzard game

[gleaming eagle]

idk

i disagree with venthyr is good for pvp

[stoic needle]

They've been doing that for like 3 expansions now

[lilac sparrow]

I think ST dps is reall one. Then I pick Venthyr

[gleaming eagle]

blink is just way too useful

door of shadow need buff for it to be good

[gentle gyro]

yes and it has been bad every single time

[stoic needle]

Druid is 100% going to get nerfed in 9.1

[spice spire]

Yep! If you’re going for ST then venthyr is absolutely the play. Flagellation is a very VERY strong ability!

[stoic needle]

I don't really agree

It takes less than 2 weeks to swap covenants. 99% of the covenant upgrades are cosmetic which means they don't matter

[onyx wind]

Atleast we can semi-freely swap

[stoic needle]

And I don't think it's a bad thing to make people pick something to specialize in

[pale fiber]

but is NF blink over Ventyhr Door the difference between 1400 and 2400 rating ? like surely soul shape isn't overpowered to the point of it can solo carry you to 3k rating

[shadow helm]

BRO

[onyx wind]

And our power isnt tied in legendaries

[stoic needle]

The game is boring if everyone can be everything

[onyx wind]

Atleast its not legion

[gentle gyro]

i would agree on principle, but there is nothing but upsides to have covenants be purely cosmetical and the abilities as a sort of talent tree

[onyx wind]

People like to exaggerate a lot when talking about stuff being better or worse

Most high level rogues are going venthyr

But night fae blink is good for sure

[pale fiber]

so we going venthyr for rest of tier and most likely next tier?

[onyx wind]

Just tie covenant abilities/soulbinds to torghast and make covenants a cosmetic

Probably not, since they will buff the other covenants to be competitive

[balmy condor]

Who knows about next tier

[gentle gyro]

i can see that exclusivity results in desire, but having to make a choice to remain competitive that might go against your personal preferences is just bad

[balmy condor]

But this tier sure

[onyx wind]

We are gonna swap a lot dw :)

[spice spire]

Depends on changes. Venthyr could get the nerf bat immediately. Won’t know for sure

[shadow helm]

they need a gimmick to make people play

thats the point

[pale fiber]

aite sure, venthyr it is for now xd

[shadow helm]

selliing point of modern expansions

[onyx wind]

Venthyr bad? Lets buff it so its 5% better than the worst choice

Good job blizzard u balanced the covenants

And didnt just create another problem

LOL

[gentle gyro]

covenants should be for all classes like they are for holy priest

[upbeat umbra]

I'm staying NF cause I looked and couldn't find a single fuck I was willing to give about grinding out all that boring bullshit again for a button to press every 2 min lol.

[onyx wind]

Now theyre gonna keep buffing the worst covenant to be broken

[gentle gyro]

largely inconsequential

[pulsar sluice]

we litty mctitties boys, 30 renown in 2 days

[balmy condor]

I mean realistically rogue covenants are balanced

[stoic needle]

That's mostly a problem with balancing, not the system itself. Rogues right now are in the perfect scenario where you CAN play whatever you want. People overestimate the gain between the best and worst covenants

[balmy condor]

They’re all close enough to not really impact anything

[stoic needle]

You can be a top ranked player in any covenant

[balmy condor]

You can play kyrian and be fine

[onyx wind]

5% is a lot

[gloomy fern]

i am kyrian, i am not fine

[onyx wind]

its basically unequipping ur legendary lol

[balmy condor]

It’s not like a necrolord fire mage or something

[onyx wind]

Its enough to make a LOT of players reroll to venthyr

Which is a problem imo

[tame drum]

whats the cd on new flagellation?

[onyx wind]

But thats entirely subjective

[edgy notch]

i mean depending on kill timings kyrian ist still strong

[shadow helm]

same cd

[balmy condor]

Still 1:30

[tame drum]

ty

[stoic needle]

If you only think about damage maybe, but there's more that the covenants bring besides damage

[shadow helm]

it gud to hold flag for vendetta??

[balmy condor]

People chase the highest number, that happened with fae being 1.5% better than kyrian

That’s just how that works

[balmy condor]

Only if you don’t miss casts

[onyx wind]

Sure, people are chasing the highest number

Always have, always will

But there isnt really much choice if u wanna raid as sin

[stoic needle]

That's not true lol

[onyx wind]

And if ur kyrian ur basically forced to swap

[balmy condor]

There’s actually 4 choices

[gentle gyro]

and that's fine, no? maximizing your character is one of the more fun aspects of the game

[stoic needle]

You can raid fine as literally every covenant

[gentle gyro]

for some*

[stoic needle]

You can parse 99 with every covenant

[onyx wind]

Idk man, maybe ur right

[gentle gyro]

you can likely also parse a 99 with TTB

what sort of argument is that

[stoic needle]

A true one?

Your covenant isn't holding you back from performing well

[shadow helm]

finality rupture lets gooooooo

[onyx wind]

Can you do damage as all covenants? Yes

[gentle gyro]

and no one said it is

[onyx wind]

Are they balanced? no

[balmy condor]

What would you consider balanced

3%?

1?

[upbeat umbra]

0

[balmy condor]

0.5?

[topaz saffron]

I love my steward ❤️

[gray fjord]

-1%

:[

[onyx wind]

Are you asking or not

[brittle pawn]

your height isnt holding you back from being able to dunk a basketball either

[onyx wind]

LOL

[edgy notch]

ofc theyre balanced damagewise

[balmy condor]

I asked a question, yes

[onyx wind]

I mean, do you want an asnwer

[balmy condor]

No I asked a fucking question expecting no answer

[upbeat umbra]

lol

[onyx wind]

That is a real thing

[balmy condor]

Of course I want an answer what the fuck

[onyx wind]

Called a rhethorical question

[cunning musk]

That is the dumbest shit I have seen

[gentle gyro]

it's hard to pin it on a number because they do different things

which is even worse

and I'm not talking about rogue only

[balmy condor]

You say it’s unbalanced right now

[strange python]

Worse? Sounds better

[balmy condor]

What would be balanced

[edgy notch]

when you have good kill timing for kyrian then kyrian will be better

[gentle gyro]

they would be balanced if NONE of them offered combat power

[onyx wind]

In my opinion, everything having a clear niche where its better

[strange python]

^

[lilac sparrow]

Then there is no balanced game in the world

[balmy condor]

So venthyr/necro is fine to you

[strange python]

Mario is balanced

[onyx wind]

Kyrian as a mechanic shouldnt be 5% worse than venthyr

Yes

Those two in a vacuum

sure u could say that

[gentle gyro]

I think rogue overall is "okay" or as close to okay as you can realistically get, which itself is a problem

but other classes you get shoehorned into picking one covenant for one activity or just get fucked

[balmy condor]

Fair enough, thanks

[strong saffron]

so what conduit for assa ? maim , mangle?

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor

[lilac sparrow]

Lashing for Vent. Wps for other

[icy crater]

If you want to RP pick the cov you want to RP as. If you want to do the most damage pick the highest damage cov. If you want both uninstall the game.

[gentle gyro]

bonus points if different specs have different best covenants and a single spec has different best covenants for different activities

[balmy condor]

[kind kiln]

Then you're missing the point they were going for

[stoic needle]

Lashing scars if venthyr, wps or lethal poisons otherwise. If you use 2 potency with doomblade as non venthyr maim mangle can be good

[gentle gyro]

the point was increasing playtime for people that switch lmao

[shadow helm]

bingo bango

[balmy condor]

Can it?

[stoic needle]

According to koji it can

[kind kiln]

The point was that it didn't matter what people wanted to play. They could pick whichever they wanted 🙂

[balmy condor]

I haven’t seen that

[gentle gyro]

can I though. On my disc priest, do I actually have a choice?

spoiler no I don't if I want to raid somewhat seriously

[balmy condor]

All my shit still wps and lp forever

[icy crater]

What does somewhat seriously mean

like top 10? top 250? top 500?

[stoic needle]

@balmy condor

[tame drum]

doomblade or zoldyck for raids after reset?

[brittle pawn]

aotc by end of tier probably

[gentle gyro]

mythic, I can't tell you a fixed number because it doesn't exist

[icy crater]

You can play any spec and any cov in the game and clear mythic

[balmy condor]

Yeah I believe you, I just haven’t seen that in my sims

[sour wraith]

Don't have access to the sims rn but maim, mangle was simming as my highest conduit with doomblade equipped both last night and on ptr sims (even with 1 potency)

[icy crater]

Does it mean you can have 7 venth survival hunters on your sire kill? Probably not

[dense hamlet]

does anyone know if renown has a cap for a week or smthing cuz i am not getting a single one at 29

[gentle gyro]

and just to be clear, most (and I MEAN most) people took the "optimal" covenant based on guides / streamer recommendations.

[sour wraith]

I'll link it when I can get access to it 😛

[gentle gyro]

so the "people can take w/e they want :)" myth should die

[brittle pawn]

did you do campaign?

[icy crater]

They can take whatever they want

[gentle gyro]

because it's not based in reality

[dense hamlet]

yes

[icy crater]

most people just want more damage

[brittle pawn]

do more shit

[dense hamlet]

wdym more shit

[gentle gyro]

ok, answer me a question

[stoic needle]

It's true for rogue

[icy crater]

sure

[dense hamlet]

i did full clear hc without a single drop of renown and like 10 m0s

[shadow tulip]

I want more haste 😄

[lilac sparrow]

Less probability with more renown

[gentle gyro]

assume you have to get to work every morning at 8 am. you either can take a car which takes ~30 minutes or you could walk which takes 3 hours

do you actually have a choice

[lilac sparrow]

That's my conclusion

[icy crater]

Yes you do, obviously.

[gentle gyro]

then the convo ends here

[icy crater]

No

It doesn;t

[shadow helm]

deathly shadows

[hoary anvil]

Wake up at 5 and walk ez

[gentle gyro]

it does for me

[balmy condor]

[cunning musk]

wtf...you high man?

[icy crater]

What if the person walking wants to run in the morning because they like running.

[stoic needle]

Well technically a more fair comparison would be 30 minutes drivingg and 31.5 min walking

Because it's 5%

[gentle gyro]

it was about the principle

[icy crater]

well it was a shit question

[tulip willow]

Looks like necro lord will be best for m+

[kind kiln]

Shitty example

[gentle gyro]

no it just exposes flaws in one's perception

[icy crater]

yeah, yours.

[gentle gyro]

w/e

[stoic needle]

The overall point is that blizzard should be trying to make all of the classes similarly balanced to rogue with regards to covenants

[gentle gyro]

na you were also the guy who had no understanding of statistics when it came to parses

so I'm done here

[sour wraith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eJTJUSz7Wt2E775ukSCjwx @balmy condor

[icy crater]

lmfao

You have no idea what you're talking about, and when someone disagrees with you because your points are trash you just give up.

[brittle pawn]

why do you have elaborate planning and subterfuge

[sour wraith]

Was messing around with stuf

[stoic needle]

This isn't a ptr sim

[sour wraith]

I said last night and ptr

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xzAFKYRCkx3N9HkJQnwTy6 runs the same thing

[spice spire]

Yeah I was going to ask why it was so low, lol. 224 rogue should be way closer to 6k

[balmy condor]

2 boss light movement?

[stoic needle]

[sour wraith]

was it?

[icy crater]

guys my ilvl parses are really good but my overall is bad? That means im playing well right?

I just need more gear to compete

[stoic needle]

4 stone legion heraldry in party?

[balmy condor]

Also when you have full heirmir

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mnjs49srGEiRtXkS9G5fQV

Oof.

[tame drum]

yeah if u are "lowish" ilvl

[lilac sparrow]

Cannot wait reset :) really excited to play lashing Venthyr sins

Burst will be cool

[sour wraith]

It might be an EP versus BS thing

[balmy condor]

Probably is

I’m looking at single target now

It’s most likely also a not full soulbind thing

[shadow helm]

wait

[balmy condor]

It’s surprisingly close though, I’ll give you that

[shadow helm]

why sudden frac

[limber lion]

Dank

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uVdzMrq4VByD7LjjKcCfSv

Yeah with 1 target it’s also further apart

[sour wraith]

If ptr isn't in normal sims then the buff to doomblade will close the gap there too

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[coral pawn]

anyone else have an issue with the quest Common Ground with the prince not showing up?

[woven needle]

Can you get lashing conduit from the dude in the maw?

[balmy condor]

Lot of venthyr people having issues yeah

[balmy condor]

Yeah but I wouldn’t waste Stygia on it unless you really have nothing better

[limber lion]

Yeah, if you have all conduits at 226 already and 10k extra stygia just laying around, then feel free 😄

[sterile jackal]

lashing is getting buffed in 9.0.5?

[coral pawn]

i read on blizz customer support you have to submit a ticket...10 hour wait time

[onyx wind]

Socket buyers > conduit buyers

[limber lion]

Lying around? Laying around? English very hard yes oui

[onyx wind]

Sockets to the moon

[limber lion]

But what if you already have all sockets?

[onyx wind]

I did until i swapped to assa

:(

[limber lion]

😦

[onyx wind]

Now i have to be a mawrat yet again

[magic sparrow]

Doomblade Shoulders Haste/Vers right?

[onyx wind]

Sure or haste/crit is good aswell

[sour wraith]

Unless you have access to mythic SLG, probably

[balmy condor]

Sounds fine yeh

[onyx wind]

Mostly depends on whether u will kill SLG

And whether u will PvP :)

Most of my pieces have vers on them since i got them from PvP

So im crafting it with haste/crit

[balmy condor]

✨ legendary slots and stats are basically irrelevant and depend mostly on your own gear ✨

[magic sparrow]

it will likely be pvp/peve so yeah vers likely to be a thing

[surreal hawk]

Written in the stars

[pale fiber]

Whats looking like bis leggos with venthyr this coming update?

[balmy condor]

Chick the pens

[clever niche]

give me more wisdom whispyr

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-chicken-bro-calling-dance-sing-gif-14109587

[clever niche]

like, should i give my cat a treat?

[magic sparrow]

leges arent changing i was more just double checking that shoulders was the play

[onyx wind]

Shoulders and gloves give the same amount of stats

So its entirely up to what you want and need

[balmy condor]

Always, you live in a state of power and knowledge over the cat, and can manipulate it to your will

[magic sparrow]

yeah i got 226 haste crit gloves soooo yeah

[balmy condor]

Training your cat, or giving it a treat just conditions it to be dependent to you

[onyx wind]

What does "sustained" mean in the pins?

[clever niche]

I truly doubt that, but Olly and Ivy will send their thanks

[balmy condor]

5 min

[onyx wind]

So 5 min of the same targets right?

[sterile jackal]

whats the lvl of conduit when lashing>wps? Sim says 200wps>200ls

[balmy condor]

Yes

[limber lion]

Top gear is not updated yet afaik

[woven needle]

@balmy condor is the lashing conduit not gonna be main use ?

[balmy condor]

Are you simming ptr

[sterile jackal]

nope

[balmy condor]

It will be

[woven needle]

Ok I thought so

[balmy condor]

Then there ya go

[woven needle]

I gotta roll for it #icry

[sterile jackal]

k, thangz

i got my 200 from first epic calling

[balmy condor]

He’s insane

[surreal hawk]

yeah i got 2 from the first 2 callings after joining the venthyr

didnt turn 11st one in

maybe the droprate is higher?

[balmy condor]

I think it’s not uncommon

[woven needle]

I have every other conduit so it shouldn't be bad

3 renown to go and I'm useful on Tuesday

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[onyx wind]

Did you guys know a 3% damage increase isnt a 3% damage increase?

[vocal edge]

On a scale of 1-10, how good is wowanalyzer for sin?

[pale fiber]

so whats "doomblade if you only are doing single target with sin and speccing outlaw for keys and stuff", is doomblade not mutilate damage? and how come 70%+ leggo used in raid is zoldyck and not Doomlade if doomblade is the ST leggo ?

[sterile jackal]

wowanalyzer is more like a site with tips

not good to play around it

[late birch]

Anyone know best way to farm renown after like level 15 or so?

[sterile jackal]

do raid in lfr/normal/hero

[vital haven]

you should become an analyzer yourself and analyze top logs

[stoic needle]

Because doomblade isn't worth using over zoldyck until tomorrow

[balmy condor]

2

And that’s for all rogue specs

[royal lantern]

just PM all your fight logs too whisp

ez

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

[sterile jackal]

whisp, you should launch onlyfans/patreon with sim-making streams

[balmy condor]

Isn’t that just a twitch

Twitch.tv/whispyrttv

Would have to have the will power to stream sims

[sage fern]

where can i get that weakaura? 😄

[woven needle]

Oh I'll send all of my logs to whisp then

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/p/whispyr

[woven needle]

We got years worth of logs to go through whisp

You ready

[iron orchid]

Yo man I want you to stream the countdown to the result of your sims

would be sick

[balmy condor]

[iron orchid]

COntEnt

[balmy condor]

I actually have to resim the pins

Cause I fucked up

[iron orchid]

Lel

[woven needle]

Do you actually stream whisp?

[solar flicker]

catboy cam

[balmy condor]

Rarely; yes

[woven needle]

Shit I'll throw a follow

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t call myself a regular streamer

[signal gulch]

music theory streams

[woven needle]

Your like me. Stream only when you feel like having people watch lol

Which is rare

[balmy condor]

polyrhythms?

[north basin]

all trinkets were stealhbuffed in 9.0.5. the strength remained the same?

[balmy condor]

Roughly yeah

[north basin]

on our char

k

[shut edge]

Polymeter?

[balmy condor]

We listened to a dubstep song in 7/4

Was lit

Except the song is trash

[signal gulch]

or its genius

[balmy condor]

But it’s artistic trash

[woven needle]

...

[spice spire]

Feel this personally

[balmy condor]

Actually don’t mind streaming, I just am very inconsistent in my timing, and sometimes I just don’t feel like I have anything of value to stream, or it’s like 20 minutes of content and then nothing, so I just don’t bother turning it on

[sour wraith]

stream raid and then anything that happens afterwards 😄

[weak jay]

If i got a Castle Nathria dagger in night fae, and then switch covenants, does the appearance change? I'm asking the important questions

[balmy condor]

XD you don’t want to see my guild wipe to heroic

[wild lantern]

this is true

[sour wraith]

Do it for the memes

[strange python]

Nope

[balmy condor]

That’s the other thing though, It’s common knowledge that I don’t play to a very high level, and that also kinda affects the whole “I have no content” thing

[spice spire]

Yes I do. So I feel like less of a loser for wiping on heroic

[balmy condor]

Like I could stream heroic raid and +13 keys

But like

Why?

[sour wraith]

You could take it as a coaching-esque type of stream, since it's not high-stress (relatively, idk how you approach it though) content you could be able to explain what you do and why to help viewers improve

[spice spire]

Maybe you’re interesting and a good time whispyr. Not all content has to be super elite Proggers plays. You do provide a solid perspective to the class and could teach many even if you’re not top 5 in the world

[balmy condor]

Yeah I guess

I was planning on throwing up the stream today anyway, we’ll do some nonsense

[stoic needle]

I bet a lot of people would enjoy seeing more sin m+ content even if it's not super high keys

Because a lot of people don't do super high keys

[spice spire]

Like if you don’t want to, that’s totally one thing and I get that homie. But on the other hand, there is useful content to be given from you even if you’re just purely educational without any sort of entertainment

[royal lantern]

i mean, possible that seli does it again?

and like, seli trought out the last 2 expacs lel

[stoic needle]

Seli said that they wouldn't play sin until they get higher crit

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/avAAefSBngzGK9eUgd76vN/

[stoic needle]

So might be a while

[final star]

[balmy condor]

Dad coming back from the store?

[spice spire]

Not until 35% crit per him

[royal lantern]

35

[clever niche]

been doing a few highish keys with sin the last week or so; feelsgoodman

[royal lantern]

disgusting

[warm portal]

is it possible to stop 'Rebuild Our Trust' chain midway ? i started it but changed my mind and now cant stop it

[royal lantern]

its 34%

[stoic needle]

But yes there was a lot of sin in past expacs but none right now

[balmy condor]

What am I looking at

[royal lantern]

you heretic

[spice spire]

Oh no

[balmy condor]

Not sure tbh

[final star]

is it really that much of a dps increase over now

[spice spire]

His exact number was 35-40% crit for sin

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p4TVoJKBTZ3refzMihjyaX

[stoic needle]

For the love of God people name your sim profiles

Oh, yes

Turns out cttc is more than a 50 dps increase

[stoic needle]

You can't abandon the quest?

[balmy condor]

Well if you just copy pasted that top gear into advanced

You have to realize that the sim already shows that combination at 5% up

[oblique flare]

honestly, playing with the weak venthyr ability atm, it's not really bad, just fking undertuned

[balmy condor]

So now it’s 10% up

[final star]

[oblique flare]

from a haste buff standpoint and damage based on your combo points, it's fun, just really badly executed and weak in itself

[clever niche]

now we get the best of both

[stoic needle]

Concept good, execution absolutely dogshit

Agreed

[oblique flare]

you can just flag an add in a big pull, spam your stuff, use flag again, woosh 15% haste, pretty dope, too bad they fked it up on release

ye

[spice spire]

But my GCDs

[final star]

it should've given the haste on expiration too

rather than on use or death of unit

[stoic needle]

I love that the new version doesn't cost energy

[oblique flare]

yeah, not getting the flag buff when you don't re-activate or when it runs out is rather dumb

[clever niche]

yeah it's a nice gapfiller

[stoic needle]

Current flag really feels like a beta ability

[clever niche]

still commiting a gcd but you get the energy bump

[spice spire]

New version is gonna make me abandon all my morals 😦

I’m comin’ home

[honest basin]

I don't see anything regarding Dustwalker's buff in the pins, is it still way worse than the other options ?

[stoic needle]

No morals, only deeps

[clever niche]

I am yet to go vamp, I'm AFK from raid due to work tonight but I am super tempted

[spice spire]

Was gonna Necro but the mog is calling me

[stoic needle]

I got Ksm last night and immediately went to switch back to venthyr

Forgot to transfer my anima

[oblique flare]

while Thrill Seeker is nice once it reaches 40 stacks, I wish they would cut it in half in order to get it more frequently, or idk, make stacks give you haste too and cut the euphoria haste a bit or smth

[clever niche]

I might leave it this week and not deposit anima until tuesday next week to cheese 🙂

[spice spire]

Wait, you finished the weekly swap already

?

[balmy condor]

Yup

[clever niche]

shame, the 1min cd on sludge mythic would have been amazing

[oblique flare]

feels super weird to get euphoria when you killed the pack already and you miss out on almost all of it for the next pull <_<

[clever niche]

afk on trash

[stoic needle]

Wdym thrill seeker is the pinnacle of skill based gameplay

[spice spire]

Thrill seeker is

But also bis ST

[split veldt]

oh, how much is it?

[balmy condor]

I still don’t mind it

[stoic needle]

This is why I go theotar for m+

[stoic needle]

It's like 150

[split veldt]

oh dam

pretty good

[spice spire]

I think it’ll be way better this go around, on top of the nonsense of flag just being bad, the soulbind proccing at bad times just felt really shit

[split veldt]

theo is bae for M+, all that juicy mastery with zold

[oblique flare]

yeah, might consider it tbf

[spice spire]

Dauntless duelist is also very good though and that’ll make it feel a lot better

[stoic needle]

I can deal with inconstant soulbinds because flag is sick now

[spice spire]

Ye

Not having an ability or soulbind actually tilted me lol

[errant delta]

Whats the dif in sims between zold and doom on st

[warm portal]

well started as Venthyr then switched to Necro ended up with Fae midway Fae decided to go back to Necro did first part of "Rebuild Our Trust" second part poped in but then i decided im fine with Fae now i cant go Venthyr till i finish the chain. Talking with General Draven "I am not blind. I can see that you already working to earn the loyalty of another"

[chilly lichen]

Is assassination good with 9.0.5 ?

[strange python]

yes

[balmy condor]

[crisp edge]

@warm portal dont try to fuck with general draven he aint no joke

[warm portal]

yup gues im stuck gotta finish it

[unreal laurel]

For huntsman would we use Zold or Doom now?

[balmy condor]

Zold probably

[dense narwhal]

Man... I'm already doing way more damage as sin compared to outlaw in m+, and this is pre-buff to venthyr ❤️

Time to main sin again. RIP ele/resto

[stoic needle]

I mean I love sin but you should be doing more damage as outlaw

[dense narwhal]

lmao

I've mained sin every xpac except this one (and legion for half a patch)

so it's mega intuitive for me

I don't quite have the same muscle memory with outlaw yet

And I was also running the FoK conduit

[stoic needle]

It just annoys me that I have to put in more work to do less damage as sin than ooga booga blade flurry ss dispatch outlul

[winter gale]

I cant wait to test new Assa on wednsday!

[dense narwhal]

Sin is so fun. You WANT to do max dps with it

[storm forum]

Yeah, that's similar to me, I'm doing more damage playing sin in keys cause I have no idea what I'm doing when I'm playing outlaw/sub

[winter gale]

2nd part of comeback quest takes how long?

[dense narwhal]

That min/max playstyle.

[stoic needle]

It is a lot of fun though

[dense narwhal]

Sub was fun at the beginning, especially in torghast lol

[stoic needle]

When you dot up a full pack of mobs and vanish with MA and see the all the crits

So much fun

[dense narwhal]

lol I don't have MA yet...

Going to save up for Zoldyck

i mean doom

[stoic needle]

Ive been sin one tricking for a while now so I have all 3

[dense narwhal]

good on ya

I'm glad I didn't build finality lol

Got a 225 celerity though

[split veldt]

CTTC - 150, doom - 350, veny - ? how much dps we lookin at

are we gonna sim as high as a boomy on ST O.O

[stoic needle]

What do boomkins sim on st

[winter gale]

Im playing assa for 2-3 weeks already, have some decent gear for it and I perform better as assa than sub so even now im making up for that dmg diff by playing it better

[stoic needle]

Fuu posted a sim at 7.3k earlier

[split veldt]

i was already simming 6,150, my boomies sim at like 6.7

[vast pond]

I have 225 cel, 225 MA, 235 zold, and 235 doom. Guess I'll upgrade MA next.

[split veldt]

maybe closer to 7 now

been a minute since ive checked them

7.3k ST sim is beast

wtf

what ilvl was it

[winter gale]

And I saw some ppl here saying its potential from next reset is to maybe become best melee spec in terms of dmg

[stoic needle]

I want to recraft my haste vers doomblade as haste mastery for my mastery stack meme build

But I'll probably max out my haste vers one first while I build up mastery gear

[vast pond]

I'm excited to see what you can turn out with that oshosi

[stoic needle]

229? I think?

So like full bis

[split veldt]

okay make sense then

but damn, we finna get like a 700 dps buff

[wary ice]

gotta remember the melee rider there

[split veldt]

maybe this is why blizz has been so slow on Sin changes O.o

[stoic needle]

Nah that's because we don't have a rogue developer

We are arguably overtuned now

[split veldt]

god it's so true, all during beta i was just waiting for rogue news and it still hasnt come

melee should be overtuned for this tier, ranged have it too fucking easy, muh uptime

[stoic needle]

Imo melee should always do more damage than ranged

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-the-mandalorian-cute-baby-wave-gif-16275002

[stoic needle]

Honestly just delete mages

[gray fjord]

Oh, so interesting little thingie I noticed on the PTR, @balmy condor.

[chrome mirage]

Go on

[gray fjord]

Zoldyck doesn't affect SBS initial hit damage, even though Potent Assassin mastery does. xD

[balmy condor]

oh does the initial hit work now? the initial hit wasn't affected by mastery

[gray fjord]

Yeah I saw Mystler's thingy on the github, I've been messing with it since the latest build 37844 or whatever it is

My SBS initial hit is like 2200 ish in assassination, and only 1900 in outlaw with the exact same gear on (with my gear of course)

The tooltip updates as well.

[eternal sleet]

do we have any multitarget sims for legendarys?

[stoic needle]

Did someone say mastery?

[gray fjord]

But yeah my SBS DoT goes from 290 to 380 ish with Zoldyck in execute

But the initial slap is still the same, despite it being buffed by mastery as well

[stoic needle]

That's so janky

[tidal gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-cheese-toppings-sprinkle-delicious-gif-12756434

[void carbon]

dumb question as assassination rogue should i open with Ambush or garrote and Im talented in MA

[balmy condor]

mutilate

[void carbon]

oh how much

[surreal torrent]

gotta love how on every spell, blizz redefines the meaning of what counts as bleed or poison 😄

[balmy condor]

you open with mut snd mut gar rup

[surreal torrent]

also love how they announced SBS would work with Seal Fate but doesn't

[gray fjord]

Yeah it's really weird, I saw your github thing on that as well

Like, SOME TIMES it gives the extra CP, other times it's like screw it xD

[void carbon]

Thank you!

[tidal gorge]

I think the weirdness is because they try to special case / whitelist everything and so they forget stuff some places every time they make a change. I see that kind of thing all the time at work

[gray fjord]

Also, some times on the PTR the tooltip reverts to the 9.0.2 version for whatever reason xD

[void carbon]

why Mut over Ambush

[surreal torrent]

Bluepost: Implies a crit on first use should give 3 (base + 1 for spike + 1 for SF)
Reality: Crit with SBS on first use mostly giving 2, sometimes only 1 cp

[split veldt]

is this nerd right about fae

[surreal torrent]

yeah, i don't think it's an issue with SBS but some weirdness with their hotfix cache not updating correctly on the client, but not sure

[gray fjord]

It seems like if the target dies in 1 hit it doesn't have time to register the critical/seal fate thing. That's when I noticed the issue most often

[split veldt]

@surreal torrent are you right about fae

[balmy condor]

more cp is the main reason

[split veldt]

how far behind is theobae?

for M+ than korayn

[wild birch]

Mutilate under MA gives up to 4 and Ambush up to 3 @void carbon

[split veldt]

whoops or am i dumb*

[surreal torrent]

i've also seen profiles with venthyr ahead in DSlice, can vary. decided to go with NF as the general pick (and in case LS gets nuked)

[void carbon]

i didnt know that

[balmy condor]

yeah, I would agree with that, even though my profiles have venthyr ahead slightly

[split veldt]

hmm the pin sims have veny being higher than fae in M+

[surreal torrent]

i think it's a MfD thing, or at least in part

[wild birch]

@void carbon Mutilate hits twice and if both crit that's 4 CP, Ambush hits once for 2CP and with crit it gives additional one CP

[split veldt]

im gonna be running theo with zold

[surreal torrent]

i've never seen it proc SF at all

[limber swallow]

wait, Theotar is simming ahead of Nadjia?

[stable arch]

For m+ or raid?

[split veldt]

theo + zold for M+, nadjia + doom for raid

[stable arch]

Can’t decide for m+ if I should go zold or MA

[split veldt]

is what im gonna do

[stable arch]

I mean with MA u can goofy in outlaw as well some time

[void carbon]

so if that is case does MA talent Nigh fae ablility

[split veldt]

i pref zold for the always useful execute and with theo beefing it with mastery procs

[stable arch]

mastery hrnghhhh yeeees

[split veldt]

that way you dont have to tarnish your gear with mastery just for execute, theobae can proc it

[gray fjord]

I definitely can get it to proc, running Master Assassin and just running around in open world content I regularly get 3 CP on my first spike (IF the target doesn't die in one hit, it seems)

[stable arch]

Theo is love

[surreal torrent]

really? i've never manged to get that

[gray fjord]

Hm

[surreal torrent]

but they changed sth unknown about SF in a hotfix this saturday (after my testing pass)

let me retry

[gray fjord]

Yeah I was trying it last night/today and it was fine for the most part.

We're on build 37844 now so maybe?

[surreal torrent]

i only tried on dummy after that without any success

also using MA

Bonespike out of stealth with MA lego and only 1 CP 😦

[gray fjord]

o.O Maybe it's because of dummies. I remember Flagellation and stuff having issues on Beta when used on a dummy.

[surreal torrent]

hm this is just random honestly

again on some mob in maldraxxus, 1cp

besides, SF usually shows as a seperate gain in the combat log

it's totally janky

[gray fjord]

Yeah it's really wonky, it doe work some times though.

[serene basin]

the last row of nadja is the Duelist one?

[balmy condor]

yes

[wet ruin]

are you only doing sbs from range?

[limber swallow]

Do you have these same sims running vigor? Trying to gauge how much of a DPS loss it is as I feel really starved w/only 20% haste and MFD

[gray fjord]

I've only used it from a fair distance away in testing, yes. Like 15-20 ish yards

[split veldt]

not my sims, i got it from the pins

i hear vigor sims less for veny tho

[jade coral]

ah so, night fae isn't actually better for m+?

[balmy condor]

they're pretty close

[split veldt]

Mystler chose fae for these reasons

[graceful meteor]

Hi guys, quick question, is there some soft cap for Mastery? I'm playing around with my sims for the upcoming patch

[spice spire]

There are no caps on anything

[balmy condor]

mastery sucks, and there's no breakpoints

[spice spire]

DRs can happen, but there’s no caps or breakpoints

And also yeah, mastery is at the bottom of our prio list

[coral pawn]

who is soulbind for venthyr?

[balmy condor]

nadjia and theotar are both close, nadjia being better single target

[unreal fern]

can i sim 9.0.5 changes on raidbots?

[graceful meteor]

But at some point you start having diminishing return? thats why my question, I was just playing to see how i can increase the dmg of the ticks

[balmy condor]

only in advanced sim

[unreal fern]

thx

[strange python]

how good is pi on rogue after patch tho? is it worth it to press it

compared to other dps

[balmy condor]

all DR's start at 30% for 10%, then 39% has 20%, etc etc

it's not worth thinking about imo

[balmy condor]

we're one of the better targets

[graceful meteor]

thx. 🙂

[balmy condor]

the whole DR stuff is just background math nonsense

to stop things from going crazy

it doesn't actually have an effect on any of the gearing process

at least from what I've seen

even at like 300 ilvl

[strange python]

is there any sims so i can prove my guild at wednesday lmao

[balmy condor]

PI sims are super fucked imo

there's stuff for current

but not ptr

[strange python]

hmm ye i guess

[balmy condor]

have to always keep in mind that sim implementations vary pretty wildly from class to class

most of them don't have APL implementation for dungeonslice for example

[thorn plover]

i do wonder who's the best target to PI in execute, i'd have to imaagine assass is up there w/ zoldyck for fights that need execute dmg (like sire)

[balmy condor]

sin with zoldyck for sure is the best target during execute

but I doubt we'll be better than like a fire mage on pull

[onyx cove]

boys sub/outlaw idiot - is assa the dark horse spec on the rise for 9.0.5?

[balmy condor]

probably top 3 ish out of execute/zold

[balmy condor]

sin got buffed, and the others did not, so if that's what you call "dark horse spec on the rise", then I guess so

we have strong single target, but outlaw is still fucking stupid in m+

[pliant nest]

how about 2-3 target? can sin keep up with outlaw?

[balmy condor]

no

[onyx cove]

outlaw is 2-3 target sustain king

i think ima switch to assa this patch and play sub in pvp still

[timid coral]

how does assa ST compare to other melee after 9.0.5 changes?

[tame crypt]

hey guys, want t try ass rouge this patch, how boomer friendly is this spec?

[balmy condor]

it's slower than everything else

so

very?

[tame crypt]

thanks

difficult to play?

[balmy condor]

most likely pretty good, udk might still be better

[tame crypt]

well*

[balmy condor]

brain dead easy

only time you even need to open your eyes is in aoe when you're trying to juggle multi-dots

[subtle kiln]

what are you playing currently?

[tame crypt]

ah nice

@subtle kiln im playing boomie

[subtle kiln]

yes easier. just get cucked by melee

[tame crypt]

nice ta

allways wanted to try ass rouge, but it allways seems you gotta be a meta class to enjoy, but im in a good guild now so its good

[subtle kiln]

feral is the big brain play

[tame crypt]

does ass rouge normaly scale better later into ther expansion?

[balmy condor]

no

[oblique flare]

HE SAID THE WORD

SCALING

[balmy condor]

we don't use the "scaling" word here

:)

[warm parcel]

Also no spec in game inherently scales well

Its literally a dice roll what blizz does to your spec

[sour wraith]

Consistent buffs are a great way to scale

[spice spire]

Sc*ling

True, all classes scale with buffs

[vestal wren]

assassination is "good" now because of a ton of buffs

[balmy condor]

the buffs made our stats worth more, so TECHNICALLY

[coral imp]

scaling?

[fossil slate]

Stat scaling :o

[balmy condor]

(that's not actually how it works btw, we still outlaw scaling)

[silent breach]

are you guys goind with Nadjia with Lashing + Well-Placed Steel on wednsday?

[vestal wren]

you get more dps from stats if your spec is tuned high

amazing

[balmy condor]

lashing + duelist from what I've seen

[lean geyser]

Ok so I switch to venthyr but what’s the fastest way for renown anyone know

[sleek otter]

amaaaaazing

[balmy condor]

I don't see WPS being better than duelist

[polar cape]

⚖️ so trending rn

[balmy condor]

but what if we aren't at the breakpoints

you know

where our damage just quintuples

[sleek otter]

I mean duelist is a flat 3 percent, no way it has more value

[vestal wren]

i haven't seen such breakpoints

but as a rule of thumbs

if one stat goes "boom" and gives you like 8 time the value of any other stat

its likely that something is wrong with the spec

thats not the norm

[sleek otter]

Which spec are you in reference to?

[vestal wren]

if anything we often have points (esp. on caster) that will make a stat worth less once you reached a certain point

e.g. haste if your gcd is low enough

[dawn ivy]

hey has anyone tested if recuperator (Heal from SnD) still works when you extend the duration with the new passive?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

of course it will

[sleek otter]

yes @dawn ivy

[dawn ivy]

awesome

[balmy condor]

recup = slice heals
cttc = slice
slice = slice

[lean geyser]

Ok so I switch to venthyr but what’s the fastest way for renown anyone know

[balmy condor]

all good

[dawn ivy]

wasnt sure if recup was only starting when you PRESSED SnD

[balmy condor]

it's an effect that's on the buff

not on the cast

[dawn ivy]

thats yuge

[silent breach]

@lean geyser play the game, dung's, raids , lfr

[balmy condor]

spamming dungeons and pvp most likely

[lean geyser]

In lfr do you get one per boss?

[manic harness]

Okay boys

I need 1 Renown

I've done all of LFR, normal, heroic

[silent breach]

i got 13 lvls just clearing the raid in all difficulty

[manic harness]

wat do

[frozen karma]

At early renown levels yes

[manic harness]

M+ seems to hate me also

[silent breach]

spam m+ or m0's

[frozen karma]

Later it gets rarer

[lean geyser]

Ahh ok cool ty

[gusty mirage]

thats insane, I cannot believe

[balmy condor]

dungeons/pvp I guess

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor I appreciate you for all that you do

#shamelesssimping

[timid coral]

callings can give too, and it shows as a reward before you complete

so check those and maybe get lucky

[balmy condor]

pin re-simming in like an hour

cause me is clown

[gusty mirage]

nah its cuz you're dedicated to the stabby bleedy poison boys

[balmy condor]

I need to redo the sub ones too though

[gusty mirage]

nah make them do it themselves

THEY TAUNTED SIN ALL EXPAC

LET THEM BURN

[balmy condor]

but I'm them

[gusty mirage]

o

[graceful meteor]

I'm planning to go assassin on 9.0.5 what legendary do you recommend to craft first?

[gusty mirage]

Doomblade or Zoldyk

[limber swallow]

yes.

[balmy condor]

zold/ma

[gusty mirage]

Doom*

lol

[graceful meteor]

lets say for Raid

[balmy condor]

probably still zold/ma

[gusty mirage]

^

doom if you wanna flex if your guild can't get sub 30% attempts

lol

[balmy condor]

yeh

I get rank 4 doom on tuesday

[floral mural]

doom is better ST overall though right

[balmy condor]

yes

[floral mural]

unless execute phase lasts forever

[balmy condor]

correct

[gusty mirage]

I'm torn if I should craft r3 zold or if I should just do two r2s (already have a r4 haste/vers MA)

[balmy condor]

execute phase would need to be very important (like sire), or last like 60% of the fight (wrath of azshara from legion for example)

to take zold in single target

[frozen karma]

I just wish they would let us dust some leggos, I'd get rid of Akaari's lol

[steep current]

What spec would you recommand for SLG progress wednesday? Currently mainly playing sub

[balmy condor]

outlaw

[spice spire]

O

[gusty mirage]

same I'd like to get rid of my finality

[wide bolt]

Wait whats wrong with pin sims @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

sub had an APL change, and people were pointing out that the cleave sims were using korayn (which I did in order to keep the profiles similar for aoe/cleave/dslice sims), and that would undervalue nf in sustain

so I have to resim the cleave ones for the night fae stuff

[wide bolt]

what happened to sub apl?

[gusty mirage]

just tell them to go vamp boys with the rest of us

then you don't have to resim anything

[balmy condor]

bone spike cleave changes

[wide bolt]

oh right yea that would do it

[balmy condor]

its like 1% on 2 target and 0.8% on 3 or something

[wide bolt]

just your luck that you do all these sims and rework necro right after lol

[balmy condor]

well the necro rework was in those sims

the APL change was not

[wide bolt]

oh just for sub then fair enough

[balmy condor]

yeah

the apl stuff is sub

I just have to resim sin/sub cleave for the night fae stuff

[fleet anchor]

Just FYI, Mystler was just testing on PTR

And it seems that Blizzard dropped an Envenom pandemic hotfix a couple minutes ago

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/please-dont-the-office-gif-18301822

[icy crater]

oh SHIT

[gusty mirage]

[fleet anchor]

At least by the looks of it

[balmy condor]

so what you're saying

[stoic needle]

[ornate lake]

When i read that, i thought you were trolling xD

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

is that you'll push a change for me

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

so I can locally resim

[stoic needle]

Holy shit man

[fleet anchor]

What are people going to do if this makes Dashing better than all the Doomblades people crafted yesterday.

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[fleet anchor]

🤔

[wide bolt]

good thing i waited like a good boi 🙂

[balmy condor]

probably come at me with pitchforks

[icy crater]

I haven't crafted anything yet

[stoic needle]

All of our envenom pandemic bug reports worked

[fleet anchor]

I was always holding firm with the “wait until Tuesday before raid” plan. 🤣

[gusty mirage]

Imagine yelling at someone for providing you information for free because of a hotfix blizz randomly dropped

[balmy condor]

thinking blizzard actually reads ptr bug reports

P E P E LA F F

[stoic needle]

Why would they not

[fleet anchor]

I think they have been following the bug tracker

[balmy condor]

cause it's blizzard

first time?

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle oh sweet child

[fleet anchor]

They fixed the Seal Fate issue with SBS shortly after Mystler reported

[gray fjord]

Quick, everyone submit bugs about our damage being way too low!

[stoic needle]

[gray fjord]

[gusty mirage]

@gray fjord

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

its THE red rogue himself

[gray fjord]

xD I lurk in here a lot

[wide bolt]

Whats the preferred slot for dashing? asking for a friend?

[gray fjord]

And make snarky comments some times, that's all.

[wide bolt]

[stoic needle]

It's funny that you post in the sin channel more than the outlaw channel

[icy crater]

the best kind tbh

[balmy condor]

you mean the guy that couldn't figure out how much it costs to upgrade shields?

[gusty mirage]

I appreciated your beta videos a lot good sir

OOF

Thanks to all of your efforts, people in my guild ask me a lot of rogue related questions like I'm an expert

lol

[stoic needle]

Ugh no I don't want dashing to be better than doomblade

[gusty mirage]

I'm just like "dude I just let the smarter people guide me"

I'm smooth brained

[royal lantern]

thats why i didnt do a covenant swap or didnt craft a lego yet

[gusty mirage]

@royal lantern come to the red side sir

[gray fjord]

xD Happy I've been able to help, I've been rogue for forever but I still learn stuff every day. I just like sharing what I know with others and have a pretty good way of doing it I think.

[icy crater]

I'm still NF and have banked soul ash

[gray fjord]

You so mean 2 me. t_t

[stoic needle]

I guess I'll just wait to upgrade my doomblade gloves then

[royal lantern]

im swaping after wednesday raid

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

that just means Whispyr loves you

[gray fjord]

xD Nah I know

[royal lantern]

cba doing a shity renown grind when i have stuff too do in other games

[gusty mirage]

I cheated, I big brain went venthyr first and got to 26 renown before I conceded that I made the wrong choice

[stoic needle]

Man we could be simming over 7400 after this fix

[balmy condor]

what is, "tsundere", alex

[fleet anchor]

I mean I’m still gonna use Zoldyck for Sire so. I’m in no rush.

Will wait and see how things play out with NA beta testing.

[gray fjord]

"But my overall" :B

[gusty mirage]

I'll do my best to beta test it for you

[naive rock]

same

[strange python]

for the doomblade leggo

[fleet anchor]

I mean I’m an NA beta tester also. It’s just you can’t ever know what they are gonna change randomly on a Thursday these days.

[balmy condor]

koji so scared of NA beta testing that his NA ass doesn't want to be NA beta tester

[strange python]

should i go haste crit or vers

[stoic needle]

All my homies hate vers

[fleet anchor]

I just assume Tuesday raid is going to be chaos

[royal lantern]

the NA expirence

[fleet anchor]

And ride the wave

[icy crater]

lmao its going to be great

If you think raid is going to be wild, wait for the pvp streamers to use flag on ppl

[gusty mirage]

🚫 I love my vers

[naive rock]

Love first raid day of a patch let me get my 99 and never pot again

[balmy condor]

LiMiT oNlY WiNs bEcAuSe oF tHe HeAdStArT

[fleet anchor]

With the timeline of this patch the chance of Tuesday being totally broken is exceptionally high

[gusty mirage]

I thought we were homies @stoic needle 😦

[fleet anchor]

WWs still have no functioning Mark of the Crane last I heard.

[stoic needle]

Sorry oxi i'm mastery stack gang now

[icy crater]

I'm surprised they're making substantial changes this late into the build

[balmy condor]

osh has been sipping too much of the hachadino kool-aid

[gusty mirage]

welp looks like my ww monk is shelved until next expac

[naive rock]

wait did they change something today?

[tribal marlin]

wtf they fixed envenom bug hahaha

[vestal wren]

NA is the new qa team

[icy crater]

as it should be

[stoic needle]

It was a nice half tier

[gusty mirage]

BLAME BLIZZARD. Green rogue was best rogue 😦

[gusty mirage]

We need to have an intervention for him

[balmy condor]

mute @gusty mirage forever

oh sorry

[icy crater]

yes, orc is a very good race for rogue

[balmy condor]

forgot the prefix

[gusty mirage]

its ok

I deserve it

I face rolled arena on that monk

[stoic needle]

YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE

[gusty mirage]

it felt good being busted cuz I missed out on the echoing reprimand cheesy goodness

[shy dust]

@balmy condor

renown check

[balmy condor]

31

[shy dust]

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr's a professional

[balmy condor]

nadjia? ONLINE

[gusty mirage]

lets just get that sorted right meow

[balmy condor]

professional clown

[gusty mirage]

But we have red kool-aid, its your favorite

[balmy condor]

I also do kids birthday parties

[gusty mirage]

I respect side hustles

[spice spire]

Delete this rn

[stoic needle]

Theotar is my boy

[spice spire]

I’m the clown that’s drinking it now

[oblique flare]

hey guys, if we swap to venthyr, will sin scale?

[balmy condor]

[icy crater]

we're scaling with bug fixes and buffs

[stoic needle]

Scale your way into a raid spot

[gusty mirage]

Only if you round to 3.5 decimal points

[oblique flare]

idk man, all my gear is strenght

[balmy condor]

I mean, if you think about it, venthyr will make haste worse on your character cause you'll get more haste from the covenant itself

so I would assume you actually "Scale" less

[gusty mirage]

smart, most of our damage comes from auto attacks and if you're stronger you swing harder

[oblique flare]

exactly

[stoic needle]

Venthyr just makes mastery higher value 📈

[spice spire]

The fiesta is upon us

[gusty mirage]

It always has been

[oblique flare]

mastery sin is meta

[naive rock]

Mastery to the moon

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

dear god no

not like this

[stoic needle]

[signal gulch]

i hate it here

[spice spire]

Diamond hands those huntsman necks boys

[balmy condor]

same dude same

[naive rock]

lmao I have 0 mastery on my gear

[balmy condor]

based

[stoic needle]

How can you hate big dick envenoms

How

[balmy condor]

cause I like doing damage more

[gusty mirage]

got em

[oblique flare]

so, with venthyr i can use my sub gear

[stoic needle]

But big dick envenoms are doing damage

[balmy condor]

and I don't have a pvp cashew brain telling me I need big envenoms to do things

[oblique flare]

who needs haste anyway

[stoic needle]

Big number = good

It's not pvp brain

[spice spire]

This is cursed

[balmy condor]

if big number = good

[naive rock]

oh forgot about pvp whispyr D:

[balmy condor]

then why would you stack mastery

[stoic needle]

Because

[balmy condor]

mastery stacking = smaller number

[gusty mirage]

^ how I imagine him looking rn

[oblique flare]

howbout this

[spice spire]

Jfc how much vers did you have, raw number

[gusty mirage]

10% leech

[stoic needle]

One huge ass envenom = more serotonin per secondary stat than more smaller envenoms

[balmy condor]

[naive rock]

I just wanna stack mastery to buff my 3k envenoms

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

Always Show Me

[oblique flare]

eh, in my sub pvp gear 1250

[spice spire]

Oh shit the serotonin stat. That we all clearly forgot because we play this god forsaken class

Jesus

[stoic needle]

I had a 48k envenom in mists yesterday

[gusty mirage]

on first boss

[stoic needle]

No mastery stack

[balmy condor]

if we stack vers/mastery and take doomblade, we might actually see maim mangle

[gusty mirage]

doesn't count sir

[stoic needle]

Yes it does!

[young pebble]

What's all this about an envenom bug fix? What was broken?

[balmy condor]

it didn't pandemic

[signal gulch]

was it with pride buff also

[young pebble]

You mean subsequent recasts wouldn't extend the original duration?

[icy crater]

and the NF buffs right before boss room

[naive rock]

oh whats the uptime on the envenom buff now?

[gusty mirage]

correct, it'd just overwrite

[young pebble]

Weird I thought that was just intended behavior

[balmy condor]

the bug is 10%ish

[fleet anchor]

They broke it during beta yeah

[signal gulch]

was there a monk/warrior in the group

[fleet anchor]

Probably when fixing the Dashing bugs

[stoic needle]

Ofc. It just opened my eyes and showed me the way

[balmy condor]

it was pandemicing for the last like 29183 expansions

[fleet anchor]

The Crit double dip stuff

[stoic needle]

You all will see when I get a 80k envenom on sludge

[balmy condor]

at least since wod

idk bout before that

[stoic needle]

YOU'LL ALL SEE

[balmy condor]

when did pandemic come in

[gusty mirage]

mop I think?

[fleet anchor]

Yeah it was certainly an error

[frozen karma]

How big of a gain is the fix

[hollow barn]

Pandemic was only for warlock in mop

[naive rock]

hey na mastery beta testers tell me if you hit the moon

[stoic needle]

100dps?

[signal gulch]

im ready for some new power to come in and make mastery sick so oshosi can say he told us so in 8 months

[hollow barn]

It got implemented in wod when snapshottig was removed

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

I mean I predicted venthyr sin being bis