assassination

[quasi ledge]

Just like a new season, this week's vault is technically a different patch

[lean fossil]

see i said farm pf and get it lol how the heck did that turn into farming vault?

[dim shoal]

Will +15 still drop 210?

[quasi ledge]

Yes

[dim shoal]

So you only Need like 1200 valor to upgrade a trinket you get from +15

That’s nice

[queen galleon]

Anyway i'm not even slighlty hype about this, just buy a pvp boost and you have a char max stuffed

[onyx wind]

Well yea if u were sub

but now we are hastebros 😎

[quasi ledge]

Cant get a Phial from PvP :p

[peak sandal]

Yall confusing as hell

[queen galleon]

true

[limber lion]

Just get 226 phial from tomorrow's vault

Ez

[burnt star]

Still wtb bettee dagger

[limber lion]

[burnt star]

Havent got a sine dagger since day 1 in vault

[peak sandal]

Just pvp :)

[burnt star]

Havent seen a single weapon token drop from.mythic raid since they "increased" the drop

[quasi oar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[onyx wind]

Just get 2100 bro its that easy

B)

Can u imagine pvp'ers complaining about gearing

[limber lion]

This is actually the first week ever where I've gotten max rewards from the M+ vault

[peak sandal]

Just be friends with a gladiator ww and have him carry you from 1800 to 2100

:)

[limber lion]

Literally the first week ever where I've done 10+ dungeons

[burnt star]

I dont pvp haha

[queen galleon]

I'm really fucking sorry for people who wanted to start learning pvp in SL

[quasi ledge]

More like find a Mage

[peak sandal]

Well just pvp :)

[queen galleon]

matchmaking is fucked up by boosters

[onyx wind]

Yea man why am i playing vs glads in 1800

LOL

[quasi ledge]

Press stun for them every 26 seconds and you win

[drifting cloud]

or just be realistic that not everyone will have mythic ilvl weps because rng

out ret had 216 wep on sire kill

[glossy turret]

Is the !sims updated with venthyr 9..0.5

[onyx wind]

dunno just check pins

[limber lion]

Still. Yes.

[peak sandal]

I've beaten 2 world champs in 2v2 so far so I'm basically a blizzcon winner

At 2k mmr

[limber lion]

The pins have all the updated stuff

[onyx wind]

Ngl i think sin will be super strong in 2s in 9.0.5

[quasi ledge]

I've still got a 216 MH from week 1 vault and a 197 from a week 1 +7, not seen a single dagger since and I do 10 M+ a week :<

[burnt star]

Is assa pvp good now? Or should i just go sub?

[peak sandal]

I need the world boss to give me the conduit

[burnt star]

Well by now. I mean tomorow

[onyx wind]

Saame

Noone knows

[glossy turret]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[peak sandal]

I'm like 14 renown LMAO

[onyx wind]

But sin is a lot better in pvp now

im like 6 renown or smth

swapped off venthyr in week1

:D

now i have to wait till reset

[peak sandal]

I swapped Saturday afternoon

[burnt star]

I swapped friday late night. Im ar 30 now

[onyx wind]

Wish i could swap early

[peak sandal]

Renown 36 nf to 0 venthyr

[burnt star]

I swapped before doing my 10 m+

[queen galleon]

NF FOREVER TRUE STAN TO THE WINTER QUEEN

[onyx wind]

Atleast i get to 40 renown before swapping off

[limber lion]

I have everything ready for Wednesday. Just gotta run 2 torghast after opening the vault then I'm gucci

[onyx wind]

My bags are full of anima things LOL

[burnt star]

So that.was 10 free renown

[limber lion]

Gotta wait until next week to actually upgrade my Doomblade to 235 though.

[onyx wind]

Why is leather so expensive man

[limber lion]

I was 38 NF 3 days ago. Now I'm 30 Venthyr

[peak sandal]

If any alliance frens on na have a 15 SoA or ToP they wanna slide to me for KSM tonight, hmu :)

[onyx wind]

Im going bankrupt from these leggos

[peak sandal]

I wasnt home Friday or most of the day Saturday so I couldn't farm more

[queen galleon]

Just going to play sin for progress on Sludge and go the fuck back to outlaw

[limber lion]

Takes a few days with some luck. If you clear every raid difficulty now and on Wednesday, you'll be gucci.

[peak sandal]

This is a pirate free chat, begone 😡

[queen galleon]

[burnt star]

I got 3 renown only from normal/heroic raid at renown 18

Kinda troll

[onyx wind]

Dw im gonna loot 213 lashing from denathrius and then win the 1/20 roll to 226

Its gonna be great

[burnt star]

U should do raid first aftsr swapping. Higher chance

[peak sandal]

I'm serious about this btw, I'm 2 dungeons away because I havent really played my rogue since christmas

[burnt star]

Then do m+

[onyx wind]

Raid give shit renown in my experience

on alts atleast

[burnt star]

And calling. Then chaptwr quest

[onyx wind]

If u wanna do raid then do it at 0 or so

[limber lion]

Yeah. I legit did 1 calling when I swapped to unlock Soulbinds, then straight to raid

[onyx wind]

m+ at higher

calling at around ~10

[limber lion]

After I was done with Normal/LFR, I was at 22 renown

[burnt star]

Calling still givw renown at 28

Got my 29 with calling

[peak sandal]

Once you hit 9 below the weekly cap you just sling the campaign and then you're done

[limber lion]

I'm 30 renown and I still have one calling that gives me renown

[onyx wind]

Nah callings are random

[peak sandal]

So, like 27 this week and then the 2 weekly quests?

[limber lion]

The whole renown system is weird af

[onyx wind]

The higher u get the lower chance of getting renown from callings aswell

[limber lion]

Some say that they stopped getting renown after killing the wb, some say that they didn't do anything and it stopped

[onyx wind]

The reward from callings even get removed if u get higher renown

[limber lion]

And some of us just blasted straight to 30 without any problems

[burnt star]

It shouldnt be random for raidboSs after x renown

[peak sandal]

My monk got 0-34 in like a day and a half p much

[onyx wind]

Higher difficulty stuff gives more renown

[limber lion]

I've had this same calling on me since I swapped and it still awards renown. So not exactly true

[onyx wind]

Yea it is

Just some of them stay for longer

[limber lion]

How high are you talking about then?

Because I'm 31 now and I still see it

[onyx wind]

No that one prob stays till like 35 or so

on my mage i had 3 callings, 2 of them lost renown at like 18 and 25

1/3 callings seems to stay till high

Small sample size, but thats what i experienced with around 12 callings on my mage

It doesnt matter if theyre epic or not aswell

[lean fossil]

so getting the thrill seeker buff is pretty freaking sweet. 60% haste lol

[lament mica]

thats facts

[onyx wind]

U get thrill seeker like 80 seconds into the fight right?

So 10 seconds before flag comes up...

so sad

[reef axle]

So we save every flag for vend don’t we? Never unsync it if we don’t have to?

[onyx wind]

^Thats what ive heard

Assuming we save flag for vendetta, maybe the buffed vendetta cdr leggo will have play?

[quasi ledge]

Sync them unless you'll lose a cast, essentially. That seems to be the way the sims are doing it I think

[sand dirge]

no need for me to press ambush anymore with doomblade lego in 9.0.5 🤔

[quasi ledge]

Dusk legendary isn't worth, still want to have Vendetta and Vanish synced up

[onyx wind]

Ah i see, for crit on flag

Dusk is still simming kinda well everything considered

[lament mica]

outside of procs theres no reason to cast ambush

[sand dirge]

i obviously mean the blindside proccs

[shy needle]

any1 know if they fixed exsanguinate and sbs?

[lean fossil]

so do our bleeds cause thrill seeker to tick up?

or is it just the attacks we do?

[onyx wind]

yes its fixed

[onyx wind]

Isnt thrill seeker just a stack every 2 seconds?

in combat?

[lean fossil]

no, fok can build it faster if you got multiple adds

[onyx wind]

Its time based and kill based

Not hit based

[lean fossil]

ahhh trying stuff out in the world must of killed a few of them which is why it seemed to go up faster lol

[onyx wind]

Yea, its a bit weirdly designed

[tulip tide]

alright team, sin won 905 - where do i begin?

any 905 summary up?

(legendary, legendary stats, conduits, rotations, etc)

[lament mica]

[onyx wind]

How do i sim for 9.0.5?

[gloomy fern]

ptr=1 in advanced

you can set upp covenants etc in top gear and download simc input and paste it in advanced after

[onyx wind]

Thanks man :D

[pliant nest]

so how is sin gonna be in 2-3 target cleave compared to outlaw?

[onyx wind]

I think that depends heavily on whether ur necro or venthyr

[bleak sun]

Furrylaw still ahead i think

[pliant nest]

so necrolord is better for cleave for sin?

[cunning surge]

Yeah I think most Outlaw are going NL, so them also having SBS enhances their cleave too

Yeah Necro is good for Cleave/AoE and Venth is better for Single Target
But the numbers in general are pretty close

[burnt star]

sbs attack flurry

flaggelation doesnt

that helps a lot for outlaw

if flag would flurry it would be way better for law aoe 😉

god i love having high haste on law! infinite energy even with bad roll

[desert ether]

So been playing assassination for the last 2 days. Man I am loving it. Now I have not put it to the test in raids and dungeons yet. But in PvP and world questing, I love it.

[onyx wind]

If i pick up callings, will i be able to turn them in after swapping?

Probably not since callings reset

[desert ether]

Now I have enough Soul Ash to make a 210 leggo tomorrow. What should I craft for assassination??

[cunning surge]

Zoldyck is a good general craft

Strong on a lot of bosses and it works really well in Dungeons

[burnt star]

what are u progging in mythic?

we are on sludgefist. so im going 225 doomblade

and saving for my 225 zold for when we get to sire

[cunning surge]

Yeah Zold is gonna be the go to for Sire 100% in any group
That Phase 3 is rough

[dark crag]

What if sepsis would suddenly work with assa mastery? How much would it gain?

[cunning surge]

Considering Sin doesn't really care too much about Mastery right now, probably not that much

[burnt star]

sepsis should put u back in stealth 😉

[pulsar sluice]

we can't have good things now now

[burnt star]

no one gonna change my mind about that..

[dark crag]

It's sad that for all 3 mastery is like dead last

[burnt star]

mastery is good for pvp

[cunning surge]

I mean, that would make it more usable with our Tier 2 talents, but it'd probably be a little too good since it'll basically be like a 2nd vanish

[burnt star]

(for sub pvp)

[dark crag]

Pvp is a minigame

[burnt star]

theres nothing "too" good when u look at every other convenant power other class have

why do we have to have a balance all around bummer covenant

[cunning surge]

I mean, you're not wrong

[burnt star]

give me something strong. and that is a clear winner

i dc about the rest 😉

[pulsar sluice]

Sorry but pvp is a 1/3 of the game

so no its not a minigame

[cunning surge]

Convoke and Wild Spirits still being as strong as they are has me a bit like

[burnt star]

pvp right now is 90% of the game 😉

since its how u get gear for pve..

[dire violet]

Well when you consider how good our class is naturally, we don't actually rely on our covenant ability for big deeps. Doesn't mean borrowed power systems are meh though. Just a few more numbers tuning and we good.

[cunning surge]

I wish I could stomach PvP, some of the gear is really nice

[burnt star]

blizz is bad with tuning... the numerous aura buff proves it

they dont know what they,re doing

[cunning surge]

Sadly I have to agree, when literally dead talents exist like Exsang being in it's state for so long, it's a clear indicator

[dire violet]

Copy and pasting alacrity on every spec as well

[burnt star]

instead of reworking bad talent. and listening to all the theorycrafter that brings up balance solution.. they plainly ignore it and do some useless buff... 9.0.5 is a big change! 😉

how they handle dh is just another example

there were lots of reaslly good honest solution. making demonic baseline. opens up a lot of build potential.. but nope

[strange python]

hello fellow humans, do we have an updated version of the soulbind pin info? curious on the best path for venthyr in m+ vs raid - ty

[burnt star]

they even put fel barrage to replace a dead talent. and made it a dead talent itself 😉

[strange python]

where do i write this ptr=1

[cunning surge]

At the top of your simc output

So you make another blank line and just input it there

[limber lion]

There are no updates to soulbinds. Nadja with Duelist for ST, Theotar for AoE/M+

[burnt star]

btw dont forget to buy your runecarving base before tommorow! price will skyrocket

looking at those pant/glove

[cunning surge]

Oh I already bought my gloves

[strange python]

Invalid input: Make sure you are using input from the SimC addon
Invalid/unhandled options: ptr

[cunning surge]

I know that shit's about to JUMP

[slender berry]

the price shouldnt really skyrocket since the leather is available in masses but i guess people will manipulate the ah so maybe

[cunning surge]

Are you in the advanced section of Raibots?

[strange python]

i should've wrote # ptr=1 got it

[burnt star]

it will on a short period.. the demand is gonna be high. and the offer has probly stop/lowered a lot

[limber lion]

....no

[tame drum]

how good venthyr is compared to everything else in 9.0.5?

[pine grove]

Is Flag just use off CD like Sepsis (unless you can align without sacrificing a usage, of course).

[limber lion]

Adding # makes it a comment, so it's not part of the code

[strange python]

advanced ok

[limber lion]

Anything with # in the front will not be accounted for in the code

[lament dove]

are they changing other legendaries as well, or the glove prices will go up because everyone will reroll assa?

[limber lion]

Yes

[dim shoal]

is simc based on c++?

[cunning surge]

They are, like a good chunk of Legendaries are getting buffed
Doomblade is just the most substantial

[limber lion]

Yep

[subtle kiln]

blood dks would like a word

[pine grove]

Cheers. Suppose I should reroll, then. Can't really turn down free damage in this economy.

[strange python]

tyvm

[cunning surge]

Oh I meant just for like, Sin
I don't know what's going on with anyone else

[limber lion]

For sure. Big numbers

[burnt star]

mnk getting "fixed/nerf"

like we did when they fix us in beta

[subtle kiln]

gloves may have a sm spike. it’s not going to be insane omg every melee rerolling rogue get r4 doomblade

[cunning surge]

I mean, yeah, it's probably not gonna be like a crazy spike lmao

If I can save money by buying it now tho I will

[strange python]

I'm assuming you go theotar with wasteland for m+, right?

[subtle kiln]

content creators in general are meh about rogue changes, rogues are excited. which is fine

[limber lion]

Yep

[faint harness]

these content creators are not ready for whats gonna hit em

[subtle kiln]

i would agree.

preach was ahead of it all. knew we’d scale.

[limber lion]

A race to see who publishes the most inaccurate and rushed video first

[pine grove]

Hahaha. Classic YT.

[cunning surge]

Don't forget about the clickbait thumbnail

[pine grove]

Aye. That's the face they'll use.

[cunning surge]

Every single one, I swear

[subtle kiln]

infexious

[burnt star]

hmm the pin talent should probly get changed? it suggest vigor on st. but it was discussed that deeper is better for venthyr

[limber lion]

[burnt star]

rofl my comment had nothing to do with me personnaly.. was just stating a fact.. even the sim he puts is with deeper

so the base "pin" should be about that

[limber lion]

True, the sims are based off of DS but it does say 331 on the FAQ/Information pin.

[north basin]

when i will be able to do 150 ash quest after switch fae==> vampire?

[frigid kestrel]

ok stupid question

[pseudo hamlet]

So... it seems that Zoldyck is still BIS for M+(& execution - Sire) and DB is BIS for ST?
... Time to farm some ash then.

[faint harness]

the worst of it all is that he will spin this as "look i was right"

[frigid kestrel]

does renown have a weekly cap?

[faint harness]

cringe

[frigid kestrel]

cause uhh i just killed 5 Normal raid bosses and got nothing

[forest wing]

Happens

[burnt star]

i got 3 renown for 20 boss (normal/heroic) at renown 18

raid give renown at low renown 100% base

then the chance lowers

[final star]

@subtle kiln

[burnt star]

u can also get renown from m0

[thorny pond]

Sometimes it be like that

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyone know how much better is Doomblade compared to Zoldyck in ST fights? It's a huge difference?

[strange python]

is there any way to change covenant on PTR but not have to go through it like on live servers ?

[neon stone]

Wth is dungeonslice?

[lament dove]

I got 25 renown this week, so if it has a weekly cap, it's not lower than that
although I don't remember getting any more since then (just hit 31 with it for Korayn) so if there's a weekly cap, it might be just 25, which would be a weird number for that

[final star]

A slice of dungeon

[thorny pond]

Like slice n dice. It's mysterious

[unreal laurel]

Check the pinned messages, there is one with all leggos compared

[final star]

There's no weekly cap, it just gets harder to get the higher you go

[faint harness]

just swap on PTR?

[strange python]

what do u mean

[pseudo hamlet]

@unreal laurel oh, I see. Was wondering if there's one with conduits/soulbinds etc. Will have to sim myself then 🙂

[frigid kestrel]

Ok so there is a hidden cap from when you gain renown via catch up. Is you have Campaign quest that are incomplete the game will start to give you less renown until you complete them

WACK!!!!!

Wish i would have known that previous to pugging

[final star]

Then idk

Do the campaign

It's free renown and it's easy to do it as you go

[lament dove]

yeah I thought that goes without saying:P

[faint harness]

can you even get full renown without doing campaign

[frigid kestrel]

I aint know that, i was gonna run through normal and then do all the campaign shit

[faint harness]

i always thought you were locked at current max - covenant campaign renown remaining

[gusty mirage]

Nah the renown drops kinda stop if you don’t have the campaign finished

[frigid kestrel]

Well slows

cause i have 2 campaign quests to complete currently

[gusty mirage]

At one point it hard stopped to me, I ran like 15 dungeons and got zero renown I wish they’d be more transparent on how it works lol

[frigid kestrel]

Ye

[neat frost]

yeah i think there is 9 renown from campaign, so you can do WOrld Boss, raids:LFR/Normal/Heroic, callings, M0s, and RNG sources (PvP, M+) until 9 below cap and then do campaign. or ideally do Campaign before the RNG sources

[frigid kestrel]

like if i known it was a hard stop/slow i would have left 3 bosses in on the pug i did

welp, you live and you learn. I should still be good to hit 30 by Tuesday raid night

[gusty mirage]

I think st this point on the tier, just remove the renown requirements for the campaign quests already

[neat frost]

Oh, so is it better to complete parts of campaign as you go, to keep renown drop chances higher?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it seems once you complete the campaign the renown drops in bunches

[limber lion]

Yeah, grind your renown with raids/dungeons first to 25+ before doing the campaign

[neat frost]

And the campaign is renown gated at like, 8, 11, 13,17,20 and 22?

[frigid kestrel]

No

[woven needle]

Oh hey pickle

Fancy seeing you here

[limber lion]

??

[neat frost]

Hey @woven needle

[limber lion]

Okay don't.

[somber breach]

Will doomblade still be best leggo for fights like sludgefist? I just dumped my ash on the execute leggo sadface

[frigid kestrel]

It just hard stopped me at 16

[limber lion]

Unlucky

[woven needle]

To get clarification doomblade is the go to lego?

[dull fulcrum]

At least KSM is account wide, so i don't need to get it with my alts to get my gear up to 220

[limber lion]

I got to 30 in 2 days without any problems. Unlucky I guess?

[woven needle]

How tf do u check pins on mobile?

[subtle kiln]

the renown swap catchup is more rng than old rtb

[woven needle]

Nvm

[slender berry]

swipe from right to left

[dull fulcrum]

Swipe left

[pine grove]

Oof. As much as I love Sin, it still feels rough compared to Sub in Torg.

[slender berry]

then just play sub in torg?

[limber lion]

Has it been confirmed that valor gear can be purchased on alts up to the maximum achievement you've gained on your main?

[subtle kiln]

sin is a lot easier in torghast

[pine grove]

Really? That fire dot is melting me.

[frigid kestrel]

Day 1 im at 16 and stuck. I wager i can git 30 by tomorrow.

[faint harness]

Play leeching

[limber lion]

Use Leeching Poison

[dull fulcrum]

Yeah, Chinese Q&A at blizzcon, they said something between those lines, let me see if i can find it

[pine grove]

Aye, but that still feels worse than Sooth.

[limber lion]

Sick

[subtle kiln]

get the anima cell on level 3 to get the fire resist from a mob on layer 4

[gusty mirage]

Buy a ravenous anima cell and use it on a flame keeper

[limber lion]

Anything does, Soothe is giga

[final star]

I did 1-21 yesterday

So ur unlucky

[pine grove]

This was floor one. Had to spam Crimson just to not die. Ehh, sub can have a tiny place in the game I guess.

[faint harness]

Also what scath said

You can get huge fire resistance with the Pokémon thing

[subtle kiln]

you just need enough currency for ravenous. skip the rest

[gusty mirage]

The 65% fire resist is huge and makes the dot super manageable with just vial

[pine grove]

Aye, can skip it entirely with sub. I don't mind. 500k eviscerates are funny anyyway.

[limber lion]

There's also the power that heals you when you enter stealth. It's great for that place.

[subtle kiln]

1211121 for torghast

swap to blind side for boss

[limber lion]

I would run MFD and CT personally, but anything goes honestly.

[subtle kiln]

very rarely did i have more than 3 mobs. but i skip almost everything

[limber lion]

Yep. It helps a ton on huge packs, not really much use if you skip everything. Hidden Blades could be pretty great as well

[dull fulcrum]

@limber lion Translation is not that great but "Trumpets" are our characters

[celest ruin]

do you guys rupture others at council to funnel energy or is it not worth it

[limber lion]

Lmao 🎺

But nice, good to hear! That's honestly kinda sick

[gusty mirage]

That’s the best translation ever wdym

[limber lion]

Usually just garrote.

[split veldt]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321294/castle-nathria-and-mythic-dungeon-trinket-buffs-on-shadowlands-patch-9-0-5-ptr

[gusty mirage]

🎺

[split veldt]

[pine grove]

It's fine. I'll just use sub. Don't need any other gear for it and it's faceroll anyway.

[limber lion]

Yep, it's pretty fun in Torghast.

[pine grove]

Aye. I do like evi for 500k+ if I get the good powers. All two of them.

[gusty mirage]

Rogue anima powers are so snooze

[limber lion]

The shadowstep 400% damage one is sick. Distract one is pretty innovative as well

But that's about it

[pine grove]

Yeah. First Step is the boyo.

[gusty mirage]

My mage gets mirror images on blink and smarter mirror images that do more dam than my mage does

[pine grove]

Combine it with the ShS CDR anima powers and you can actually pump pretty hard.

[limber lion]

Our best power is the grey chain power that increases generator damage. Kinda meh

[slender trail]

cev, i don't know how you got so lucky with renown. i've switched twice now and never got close to 30 either time throughout the entire reset.

[limber lion]

Combine it with the anima power that lets you blink without cooldown and oh boy

[subtle kiln]

run lfr, normal and heroic.

[slender trail]

i even tried it with different approaches. same behavior both times.

[final star]

Play game more

[slender trail]

yeah could be he tried twice as hard 🙂

but i consider my try-hard pretty... hard

[final star]

I did 1-21 yesterday through campaign and keys only

[subtle kiln]

i’m sitting at 17 without using both my weeklys and sunday’s calling.

[limber lion]

Idk. This is literally what I did:

• Joined covenant
• Went to covenant sanctum
• Did the calling that popped up for 1 renown
• Did the quests to unlock Soulbinds
• Full cleared normal/lfr (and a few m+ dungeons)
• 22 renown

After that I did the campaign from start to finish and was 31

[subtle kiln]

working on 5/9 campaign

[slender trail]

so i did basically that and made it to about 14 and fell off a cliff with gains. i ran 8ish dungeons and got zero renown. did maybe 20 arena matches and got 1. then kept trying the rest of the week and got zero.

[limber lion]

I got 9/10 renown from normal and I think 7/10 from LFR.

[slender trail]

that's insane

[limber lion]

Have you done your campaign?

[slender trail]

i have only gotten a single renown from any difficulty in a raid period. like, 1/10.

[limber lion]

Because I literally didn't do anything else in the covenant. I just opened the soulbinds and then went to raid/dungeon

[final star]

I ran like 6 +6-8's

[slender trail]

first time i switched i did, second time i did exactly as you outlined. i did zero storyline.

[limber lion]

Not a single quest or weekly or anything

[final star]

And got them every time

[dark crag]

It's rng

[slender trail]

correct

[final star]

[tacit pebble]

do you get extra renown by doing different raid difficulties or is it just once per week shot each boss regardless of difficulty

[limber lion]

Idk, that's fucked.

[limber lion]

You can get renown from the same boss several times on different difficulties

[slender trail]

^

[subtle kiln]

each difficulty can reward

it’s a lot of rng

[limber lion]

It's linked to your loot-lock.

If you're loot locked, you can't get renown.

[tacit pebble]

damn okay, i got like 7 renown from clearing lfr and figured that was it for the week

[slender trail]

i spammed heroics, cleared all m0s, capped weekly 14s for vault, ran lfr/normal/heroic, did some light pvp (not a heavy grind) and THEN did storyline once my well went dry. must just be bad luck.

[limber lion]

I thought I recognized that name. One of the first bleedy-boys to kill Sire

[limber lion]

No clue, the whole renown system is fucked.

No one has any clue how it works.

[pulsar sluice]

Its random

[slender urchin]

The drop rates should increase each week

[pulsar sluice]

Theres no algo or nothing

Its just random

[twilit belfry]

I switched , cleared heroic got a renown from every boss

[subtle kiln]

it’s just random. that’s how it works. people don’t want to accept that though.

[tacit pebble]

yea, after the last 5% buff it seemed like the clear choice for sire given p3 is the only one that matters for deeps, i think it worked out pretty well

[twilit belfry]

Couple from m+ and a few from arenas. Renown 26 w/ 7/9 campaign so far

[drifting cloud]

below 10-15 renown is 100% droprate basically

[tacit pebble]

and now its gonna be sick

[twilit belfry]

Wasn’t as bad as I thought

[slender berry]

i heard if you spend some cash in the wow shop for a new mount you get extra renown % drop chance

[drifting cloud]

I got it from like 6hc dungeons in a row its not based on difficulty of content

[limber lion]

Yeah, it'll be the go-to spec in 9.0.5 for sure

[late shoal]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

It legit makes zero sense how it works, I switched covenants on an alt and like shot up renown like it was a Christmas sale. On my rogue it took like 6 days of a lot of playing to reach the same amount

[slender trail]

i'm not saying i don't want to accept anything, i'm just providing the counterpoint to "you can get 30+ in 2 days".

[pulsar sluice]

im 25 with 9/9 right now and 3 weekly quests to turn in, i needa find 2 more from somewhere

[subtle kiln]

who said 2 hours? lol

[limber lion]

Yep. It's fucked. Some people get stuck very early in the renown grind, some get stuck after killing the WB, some get stuck after the campaign and some never get stuck.

[burnt star]

thats clearly what we call an exageration to make a point..

and hes right.. its random some are lucky. some arent

[subtle kiln]

and not needed when people are right pissed about rng renown

[limber lion]

All I know is that I was 38 renown with NF and fully completed the campaign, then jumped to Venthyr and got to 30 very quickly. Not sure if previous covenant progression matters or not.

[slender trail]

ok edited to remove your trigger

you know what, i'll edit even more

[final star]

Just get lucky

[subtle kiln]

not triggered just no need for it. but you do you boo

25 in two days should be realistic.

[limber lion]

If you want to be triggered, be triggered at Blizzard

Screw Blozord

[gleaming eagle]

can someone link me the

[subtle kiln]

at least the entire covenant camp isn’t wrecked like it was 2 months ago when you swapped. lol

[gleaming eagle]

the patch note again?

[slender trail]

yeah, that's about what i got. 25 in two days. then maybe 1 or 2 the rest of the week. shrug point is, people's mileage will vary. it's best to educate them on that.

[gleaming eagle]

for tomorrow

[limber lion]

It's dumb that some people can get to max renown without problems and some can't. Then there's also people who cannot even start their covenant campaign or unlock their soulbinds because they're locked out of the quests.

[limber lion]

You'll find it in Wowhead.com

[slender trail]

i had a way easier time capping renown on an alt in a single week. renown floodgates were open no matter what i did.

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321249/official-patch-notes-for-shadowlands-patch-9-0-5-class-tuning-valor-torghast-leg

There ya go friend

[subtle kiln]

same. the swap just makes it interesting
like the punishment for swapping is giga rng

[gleaming eagle]

thanks

[gusty mirage]

MeAnInGfUl

[gloomy fern]

at least valor can secure 220 dung trinks

shitty otherwise

[scenic kelp]

wich stats should i use for doomblade hands?

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[scenic kelp]

oh nice ty

same stats with outlul

[gloomy fern]

i would haste+crit but i got tons of vers from pvp gear

[shut edge]

Why is wowhead classifying nf as best cov for m+ assa in patch 905?

[scenic kelp]

me not hardstcuk 1.6 player

[gleaming eagle]

does it say how many valor we need

to upgrade a mythic item?

[steel bane]

probably some prohibitive amount

[dim temple]

I have a thing to ask. When do we use Shiv now when u respec to Ventyr .. it was buffing Sepsis so what the plan now with the opner

[limber lion]

After the finisher that's used after flag.

So in example with ma:
muti - snd - muti - gar - flag - rup - shiv

[dim temple]

k Thank you sir

same with Doomblade?

[scenic kelp]

someone know how i can sim the ptr things right now with my actual gear? 😄

[limber lion]

As long as you're using the Master Assa talent, then yes

[dim temple]

k ty 🙂

[limber lion]

You can sim yourself using the Advanced Sim in Raidbots.com. Just paste your simc-string in to the box there and type ptr=1 at the top

[slender berry]

lets see if i can get that 7k phase 3 denathrius dps on wednesday with venthyr

[worldly bridge]

did u guys see latest 9.0.5 infos concerning trinkets ?

[onyx wind]

Yea

Dont know the reasoning

[worldly bridge]

most of them got buff minus Cube / PvP. idk why they didnt straight up nerf the op trinks

[onyx wind]

Prob cause they know all the trinkets are kinda underwhelming and boring

And not scaling since its flat dmg

Did anyone swap - did it reset your callings?

[ashen anchor]

It's probably a psuedo raid nerf + a way to disincentivize PvE players from doing PvP for their best trinkets, though I haven't seen if the buffs change what the BiS trinkets are.

[final star]

No it didn't

[worldly bridge]

Some of them scale (a bit). Like PF's

This is gonna make PF's trink even more must-have. And we can't compensate with Pvp, feelsbadman. I like when gear from Pvp can help for Pve and viceversa

[slender berry]

after the buffs the stone legion trinket is worse than double on use which i really hate

[gloomy fern]

it is already

[slender berry]

its really close for me personally currently and better if you consider i buff the other users

[strange python]

Wow so I'm going from 5874 dps to 6310 tomorrow?!? holy eff talk about a huge buff

And that's with zoldyck still

[north basin]

so we need campaign 9/9 and THEN farm content to quickly up renown?

mixed reports,,

[strange python]

!bis

[fossil slate]

The campaign is tied behind certain renown points so both really

[dull fulcrum]

@limber lion If it isn't to much to ask, could you do a quick Rotation for ST Venth like Stealth-Garrote and so on

[slender trail]

you can grind renown without advancing the campaign. meaning, it doesn't lock you to some arbitrary renown limit if you haven't done step 2/9.

[slender trail]

imo, like cev's, it's best to grind first, then get guaranteed renown later.

[shadow helm]

omega lol

[north basin]

renownage...

[onyx wind]

Yea im getting like 8-9% simdps increase aswell

Its kinda crazy

[limber lion]

With MA (talent/legendary):
(starting from Stealth) --- Muti - SnD - Muti - Garrote - Flag - Rupture - Shiv - Muti (until 4-5cp with Vigor, 5-6 with DS) - Vanish - Envenom - Muti - Muti - Envenom

[strange python]

With a 235 Doomblade I'll be hitting 6509 dps

this is wild

[onyx wind]

Im at 6647 when i craft doomblade aswell

Kinda nutty

[dull fulcrum]

Tysm !

[limber lion]

I sim 6743 which is still less than an SP simmed in our guild a month ago kek

[strange python]

Hey man I'll take it

[shadow helm]

KRAZY?

[sterile jackal]

Vendetta?

[north basin]

Garrote - Flag - Rupture part can be macroed ? like garrote then flag or flag then rupture?

[limber lion]

Ah sorry, Vendetta after Shiv

[north basin]

on 1 but

ton

[slender berry]

can someoone whip um some fake documents saying assa is the best for pi now ? thanks

[strange python]

Flag is still a GCD so I don't think you can macro it

Unless they changed it to not be on GCD

[north basin]

castsequence disabled?

[gloomy fern]

are they adding lashing to a raid boss or still only from world boss?

[north basin]

on blizz side

[onyx wind]

Denathrius

[limber lion]

You should never macro these buttons together. You can macro trinkets/vendetta/potion if you want, but I don't recommend garrote/flag/rup on a same bind

You won't be doing the same sequence in the middle of combat, just for the opener

So it's a bit pointless.

[north basin]

ok , so will just replace sepsis with flag

)

[gloomy fern]

hope its 100% droprate or ima be unlucky and sad

[onyx wind]

Its not :(

Also, wouldnt u want to use vanish flag for the initial dmg buff?

[gloomy fern]

oh well will be doing all difficulties due to renown anyway so should get on one

[limber lion]

Here you go
https://gyazo.com/95f325ba8f1a062f021199d5207d5a68

[onyx wind]

Is the talent 3 seconds for 4 seconds

[onyx wind]

Saame

[livid thistle]

does redeemed souls stay when switching covenant? i want my portal to oribos asap :p

[onyx wind]

No sorry :(

[strange python]

Remember, when you change covs you cannot unequip cov-specific weapons or you won't be able to equip them again

Just an FYI in case you're switching specs or anything

[onyx wind]

Do PvP weapons count?

[strange python]

I don't think those are tied to covs so it should be fine

[onyx wind]

Do u mean the ones u get from raid tokens or what?

[strange python]

yeah

[tight ravine]

dammit. got a 200 maim and mangle 😦

hopefully world boss drops conduit

[limber lion]

it's okay, just get 213 from Sire on patch day

[gloomy fern]

i mean even if u get a lfr lashing u can upg with stygia since u should have the rest at 200 at least

for 100% guarantee

[cyan prawn]

how does that work with spec specific equipment sets then? (those who change as soon as you swap spec) Since I'll use the same weapons for sin and sub it should be fine, no?

[frozen karma]

Got mine from one of my first callings when I did the switch

Was 200 ilvl

[gloomy fern]

true, should be high % since that is like the only conduit u dont have

[strange python]

As long as you don't unequip the weapons you should be fine @cyan prawn

[frozen karma]

Switching specs unequips my weapons yet it still works

I have raid daggers and m+ swords for outlaw

[worldly bridge]

how much stygia would this cost from 147 to 200 ? Idk the steps between 147 to 200 /:

[hushed sphinx]

a lot of folks have been able to get a 200 lashing from purple calling after switching to venth so definitely try that

[azure bronze]

Just wait till 9.05 and the conduit for lashing should drop from denathrius

At least that's what the ptr dungeon journal says

[magic sparrow]

how do we feel about necro for raiding? (want to try it for outlaw but want to make it viable for sin)

[silk elbow]

just started my rogue ... should I go ahead and craft a Zoldyck legendary (my first week @60) or wait until I get Doomblade?

[magic sparrow]

Zold proly for m+

[spice spire]

If you’re going into raid only - DB/DS.
If you’re doing it all, Zoldyck’s is pretty solid all around

[slender berry]

necro is really good for raiding aswell especially at the last 2 bosses on mythic

[silk elbow]

probably just raiding, I don't do a lot of M+, even on my main. I just happened to get Zoldyck's cuz Coldheart is this week. Didn't know if I should save my soul ash and wait for the Mort'regar wing to open

[azure bronze]

Zoldyck is pretty good for 2-3 bosses in the current raid. Especially sire

Otherwise doomblade

[spice spire]

^

[silk elbow]

so I think my play then is to wait until after maint. tomorrow, and if Mort isn't 1 of the wings --- go ahead and make Zoldycks 😄

[spice spire]

The thing is, it used to be fairly cut and dry on legendaries, but it’s not so much anymore. So Doomblade and Zoldyck’s are a solid 1-2 pairing. But I actively swap gear during raid depending on boss

That seems like a solid plan!

[azure bronze]

Master assassin also works on some bosses

[spice spire]

^ especially if it’s a QUICK down

[azure bronze]

And I think even duskwalker or what it's called can be used on sludge

[spice spire]

In the FAQ, it’s noted that it doesn’t line up

[azure bronze]

Ah missed that

[shadow helm]

still no draven approval

fuck this guy

[desert ether]

You guys say Zoldyck is good but it seems to only sim for when adds (bosses) are below 30% Health. Seems useless. Doomblade seems better. Notice I said it seems. My opinion really does not count. Sims do.

[silk elbow]

i figured the buff to Shiv would be good, but I don't guess so =/ lol

[onyx wind]

I dont understand

[wary ice]

execute damage is big in Raid because it ends fights faster; execute damage is big in m+ because you're in execute more often

so even though your overall is less

it puts damage more where it needs to be

[onyx wind]

Execute is also good in m+ cause most classes burst is frontloaded

Meaning the execute phase is longer than 30% of the time in combat

[strange python]

Is there a world where NL runs exsanguinate

[wary ice]

Adding to that Zoldyck specifically competes with MA because MA is fairly close to dead on most boss fights

[wary ice]

if they havent fixed the bug it'll probably be the look but its just that a bug

and if its not removed soon id expect the logs to get black listed at least

[strange python]

SbS tool tips do say "bleed" so why is it s bug

[onyx wind]

Its fixed afaik

[wary ice]

Because half of infinite is still infinite

[onyx wind]

Because it will literally break the game

[wary ice]

^

[onyx wind]

Also, SBS bleed falls off after 3-4 exsanguinates

[wary ice]

blizzard isnt going to let every assa rogue crash servers just casue sbs says bleed

does it now?

[onyx wind]

XD

It did while bugged in the ptr

[wary ice]

ahhh

probably a stop fix while they figured out the actual bug then

[onyx wind]

Yea prob

[wary ice]

IDK tbh necrolord is still nerd shit

happy to go back to venthyr for the dungeon buffs though

even if they ruined my stoneborn babies 😦

[onyx wind]

Im glad i dont ahve to channel a shield

[wary ice]

yeah instead you can channel a shadow step

[dull osprey]

I'm using slice admiral for tracking abils, but I don't see one for shiv. Is that just a fault of this tracker and I need to make my own wa?

[onyx wind]

Im kinda gonna miss the steward tho

And his dumbass flute

[wary ice]

I've never heard of this addon; but yeah you can just make your own wa

[wary ice]

and his talent book every 4 hours :^(

and the get out of jail free card that is the potion

[onyx wind]

Saved me so many times

Forgot to reset bleed on SLG?

pot

Want to pad and avoid the stun? pot

[whole dew]

!bis

[round helm]

!bis

jebaited

[spice spire]

Not a thing anymore 🙂

[dim temple]

man it sucks.. i have mythic raiding tonight so i cant go Ventyr right now only after the raid tonight.. and i sooo want to just go do it now

[gleaming eagle]

to each their own

some people like zoldyck because execute

some people prefer doomblade because they want straight dps

[whole dew]

what covenant is better? for new changes 9.0.5 , necrolord is good?

[devout lantern]

raid venthyr

m+ nf

[gleaming eagle]

pvp nf

[lean fossil]

m+ venth will be better in also

see the pins 😄

[gleaming eagle]

yeah i think venth will be best for everything except pvp

[lean fossil]

necro is tech better for m+ just due to the cleave

but thats all its got going for it lol

[iron orchid]

technically gains value as key lvl goes up imo, venthyr and NF might be better all around

[dim rampart]

if necro skill can crit and give us more combo points it's a huge boost for the assa gameplay

[iron orchid]

Necro is going to be bis for OL solely due to the instant dmg from SBS flurrying

[lean fossil]

so i swapped to venth, and man is it a dps decrease atm compared to nf lol

[iron orchid]

Yep, that's going to be a nice boost

[dim temple]

The neco skill can crit

[whole dew]

necro uhmm

[iron orchid]

right now, it cannot, but it will crit on reset

[dull osprey]

In preparation for shiv burst window, are we supposed to refresh bleeds and snd even if they are not in pandemic (10+ sec remaining)?

or is have 3 envenom every window not as important?

[whole dew]

Deïræ

[molten beacon]

I heard a lot about Venthyr is better for Assa

[iron orchid]

check if they will last more than the 9s of the shiv window, if not, you can refresh but here is no obligation

[dim temple]

blizzard Does this mean Serated Bonespike now gives 2 combo points on the first throw, then three, then four?

And if it crits, it would give 3, 4, 5?
Yes, and yes if you’re an Assassination Rogue.

[iron orchid]

that's not that important

[whole dew]

i follow u. , i gotta go change to necrolord

[dull osprey]

Cool, thanks mate!

[iron orchid]

That's just me wanting more apm x)

[spice spire]

Zoomer confirmed

[iron orchid]

Which is probably the wrong move given the haste buff from flag x)

[spice spire]

I’m completely ignorant on all Necro soulbinds but even Theo for M+ seems less than ideal

[iron orchid]

The main thing you wanna do is not lose a cast of shiv during the fight, as that would be a loss over casting 3 envenoms on each window, but having to delay shiv to do so

[dull osprey]

Ah so cast on cd whether I have resources or not?

(obvious saving to line up with vend and vanish)

[iron orchid]

that's the base idea, then you could start toying around with free blindside casts to get the energy, cps and gcds to fit both envenoms and the refresh of a garrote during the window

I'd say, refreshing garrote is the lesser problem

Using cps for things other than envenom during the shiv window is going to be quite a loss

[onyx wind]

The sims are for sustained

[iron orchid]

especially on reset, when you won't have to refresh snd anymore

[onyx wind]

Which makes necro look better than it is

For real scenarios

[iron orchid]

true

[onyx wind]

But its not bad at all

[iron orchid]

I also think that venthyr soulbinds are overestimated due to how random they can be

and playing around them may feel clunky

[onyx wind]

Technically they are not random at all

But sure they can feel that way

Outside of a raid environment

[quiet juniper]

what is the best covenant for pvp ?

[onyx wind]

Considering venthyr will probably get nerfed for PvP

Noone knows

Night fae is a solid choice

But afaik venthyr is gonna be strong next patch

[quiet juniper]

afaik ?

[onyx wind]

as far as i know

[quiet juniper]

didnt know that but thanks

Just tried necro and the spell seems so out of touch

what about kyrian ? if I get good rng I can spam 2 combo point for 7 isn't that good for pvp ?

[hardy yoke]

they are all good. but venthyr will be the best starting tomorrow

whichever you want

[slim jolt]

Best rogue spec overall for raid?

[quiet juniper]

wait @onyx wind just said it was nerfed for pvp ?

[strange python]

He said probably nerfed. I doubt it. Look at convoke and exploiter.

[normal mist]

It might get

But we are rogues in the end of the day, we are not allowed to have fun

Who knows?

[quiet juniper]

I see, the damage from the venthyr buff seems rly nice, might be fun with the conduit

[sand dirge]

how are u playing sin on council of blood mythic?
spread rup/gar? only rup? only gar? or just focus on 1 target? what would be the best to maximize my dps?

[quiet juniper]

For council its useless to focus more than 1 since they get their life back anyway but if it gives you more energie with your main poison's passiv it might be good

(talking from experience with another class)

[cyan dew]

Where can I find the sim for ST and Cleave?

[quiet juniper]

at the end of raidbot, patchwerk is for st and "cleave add" for cleave but dungeon slice should be good enough

[iron orchid]

you could also check bis gear sims for st cleave and dungeon slice in the pins

[cyan dew]

this is what i want. thanks!

[pulsar sluice]

Why would they nerf venthyr for pvp

when shit like monks and pally still exist

like cmon dawg

[icy haven]

how did the vendetta timings go on sludge if we lust 3rd pillar? 😄

[cyan dew]

Anyone knows if assass is the better spec for raid now? Or is close to outlaw still?

[pure niche]

hi guys what legendry you suggest for assassin rogue in mythic plus ?

MA ?

like outlaw

[normal mist]

Yes

[pulsar sluice]

1/3

[normal mist]

MA or zoldyck I believe

Better overall

But

[pulsar sluice]

if ur tank is pulling big zold/ma

doomblade isn't bad for 3-5

[normal mist]

[pure niche]

😄

[lean fossil]

so with flag

is it better to pop before he runs to pillar to get stacks rolling or better to pop on pillar for sludge

[spice spire]

Depends on positioning, if you’re able to unload some of the energy I’d think popping before would be good especially if not chained. But if there’s a delay to get to the pillar, that loss is probably worse than energy loss. All that to say, I’m actually unsure. Science is going to take place this week though

[onyx wind]

Isnt the initial dmg really high tho

[spice spire]

Damage is very high. But if you can dump into > SS on boss, it could be a huge window. I guess that really means you can’t be chained

So chances are yeah it’s better to do after pillar

[wary ice]

1st and 3rd pillar

oh it was answered sorry i didnt see it

[tight ravine]

yesss lashing scars world quest

@balmy condor thank you for the pins

the new ones are really helpful

[dull fulcrum]

So what are BIS conduits for venth

Lashing?

[tribal marlin]

For now it's Lashing Scars + Dauntless duelist

[tight ravine]

Dauntless duelist?

[spice spire]

Dauntless is the final row

[tribal marlin]

Nadjia renown 30 power

[spice spire]

You don’t get a second potency

So just lashing

[tight ravine]

ohh

[strange python]

what is more value gamble for upgrading lashing or go for a gem?

[shadow helm]

i bet i

wont be able to rejoin venthyr after reset

fuckin shit system omg

[manic harness]

I have 200 LS :(

need that 213 blizz

[shadow helm]

4 days already

[spice spire]

Probably gem. Sire will start dropping the conduit for the appropriate raid ilvl too

So if you clear on heroic, he can drop a 213

[strange python]

Sire drops 220

[shadow helm]

sire drops 220 gear

not 220 conduit

[strange python]

Ah

[shadow helm]

he drops a 213 finesse

currently

[spice spire]

As of 9.0.5 he does drop the conduits iirc

[dim temple]

damn u us people.. i have to wait 1 day to have fun with 9.0.5 😛

[tight ravine]

i love this

the quest for lashing was this mushroom quest and it was awesome

mushroom gang

[dim tide]

finally - KSM as assa with pugs only 😄

[shadow helm]

let me rejoin already OMG

[spice spire]

W brethren

[brisk forge]

read something that snd isnt important in m+ is that true? :S

[dim tide]

ppl after checking my spec at the end of the dungeon 😉

[stoic needle]

Sin ksm squad

[spice spire]

The more important thing on aoe is your bleeds since your energy regen is generally very high at that point, it does fall down in priority

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

Yo what absolute kings

[stoic needle]

We don't use SND at 6 targets. It's going to become less important tomorrow when SnD doesn't give us energy anymore

[brisk forge]

make sense

ty

[stoic needle]

Doing ksm as sin is low-key hard mode

[brisk forge]

so bascially its waste of button on reset day xD

[stoic needle]

No

It's still good on 3 targets and probably 4

Melee attacks and poison procs are still a large part of our damage

But it's not as important as it was before

[spice spire]

Just envenom

[brisk forge]

small packs i see. wanan try out assa, sub feels it will go down in the dirt 😛

[dim tide]

the hardest party is to trick ppl to not check your spec at the beginning of dungeon 😄

[icy crater]

I queued for hours on the weekend trying to get into keys and gave up,

[iron orchid]

let me just flex a bit

[stoic needle]

Oddly enough I only got kicked once for being sin

[spice spire]

OKAY Deï

[icy crater]

my buddy had a 16 DOS i joined and I swear we had 100 applicants

[brisk forge]

been kicked many times as Sub.... even harder on 20s

[brittle pawn]

ive been kicked more than that for sub

[stoic needle]

Ok DEI

[spice spire]

I’m actually trying true hard mode. All melee mythic group

[flat ocean]

Wouldn't SnD always be worth it when everything has bleeds up?

[iron orchid]

Lucky boi

[brisk forge]

i think in lower keys, ppl dosent care that much

[stoic needle]

Yeah they don't

[spice spire]

CT tho

[stoic needle]

I think they see the io and think I'm at least decent

[spice spire]

And often by the time you get there, it’s time to reapply

For bigger packs

[stoic needle]

I've beat so many shitter boomkin

[brisk forge]

didnt mean tho u were doing keys, i came out as a bitch i noticed 😛

[flat ocean]

I get that but wouldn't that be like a rule of thumb

[brisk forge]

low keys*

[flat ocean]

Max bleeds = SnD after 4 targets

[dim tide]

worst part of puging ksm is that u only got invites form ppl with 200(or more) less rio score and such a group is a little bit lottery...

[stoic needle]

I mean 15s are low keys now

Man

[cunning musk]

What is going to be the talent choice for 9.0.5?

are we still runnin PB or CT?

with Doomblades

[stoic needle]

Pb

[spice spire]

For which bit of content? For ST - still PB.

[stoic needle]

I literally got all of my 15s as soon as I got a remotely competent group

In one week

If I'd found a group sooner I could've had it weeks ago

[dim tide]

so many FotM players doing tank level dmg overall...

[onyx wind]

I just pugged the last ones i needed

[brisk forge]

the sadest part of this game is pugging... i´ve pugged to 1882. and now 5 guildis made a push grp and started 1500 this reset and are 1990 xd

[onyx wind]

Pugging isnt bad if its +15 keys

[tribal mauve]

Do you spam CT or you apply rupt/snd on packs guys

[brisk forge]

so team is crucial if u wanna get high score or atleast fast

[stoic needle]

Ehh yes it is lmao

[spice spire]

Wat

[onyx wind]

Maybe im just extremely lucky

[spice spire]

Oh you apply rupture

[onyx wind]

But ive only had like 2-3 bad experiences this season

[stoic needle]

You don't spam ct unless it's 8 targets+

[spice spire]

Then CT, then if you can SnD

[onyx wind]

Most keys are just carried by ilvl now anyways

U can do a ton of mistakes and still time it

[tribal mauve]

kk ty

[spice spire]

But most of the time, you can just apply CT reapply

[onyx wind]

Maybe thats why its less toxic

[stoic needle]

Yes you are, I've had dozens of keys depleted by shitters

[brisk forge]

higher keys cant carry u by ilvl tho xd

stil gotta execute that shit with like few deaths max

[onyx wind]

Idk, i do leave groups sometimes tho

[spice spire]

I’ve had keys depleted by some uh less than agreeable moments too

[stoic needle]

Yeah I don't think you can get carried by ilvl in 15s, if people fuck up too much the key is bricked depending on the dungeon

[onyx wind]

before they start

[flat ocean]

Really depends on the key

You can die a lot in some keys

Not DoS tho lol

[onyx wind]

If u have a 210-215 ilvl grp u can just put on some chill music

and RP walk through

[stoic needle]

Top was fucked this week

[onyx wind]

u will almost +2 it half the time

[spice spire]

ToP is ez mode this week

[onyx wind]

I did ToP 3x this week

Banger assa dungeon

[brisk forge]

tried 4 top 19... everyone was fucked xD

[pale fiber]

Any chance Assa is going to be used more then Outlaw in Raid scenario next patch ?

[humble socket]

Why does Icy veings say Crit/Vers for multi target, but Ravenholdt say Haste/Crit. Which is right?

[spice spire]

Yes

[shadow helm]

why the hate BRO

[onyx wind]

Yes

[stoic needle]

Only for single target

[onyx wind]

Its probably gonna be played on all other fights than SLG lets be honest

Atleast over OL

[stoic needle]

It's def haste crit

[pale fiber]

So is Necro Outlaw not just best for all apart from shriek, sludge and last phase denathrius ?

[stoic needle]

Definitely not

[brisk forge]

crit/vers was for BFA 😛

[woven needle]

Outlaw will prob stay for huntsman and SLG

[onyx wind]

Idk how necro outlaw sims, but sin sims extremely high

[woven needle]

Everything else assa

[humble socket]

Icyveins needs to be updated then

they say Crit Vers for multi target

[woven needle]

Necro outlaw sims really well for cleave

[pale fiber]

Whats a good bet to go for Covenant+Leggo in that case then as I just hit 60 and have 0 all

[woven needle]

I'm going venthyr to dual spec

[onyx wind]

Well thats basically what that setup is made for

It better sim well on cleave LOL

[humble socket]

so haste/crit on zoldyk for M+

[brazen perch]

i was just looking through logs

[woven needle]

Yeah and it's actually entertaining to play but nah force us back to assassination blizz thanks

[brazen perch]

does warcraft log not record the cast of shiv?

[onyx wind]

You can still play OL in keys dw

[spice spire]

It’s a known bug, it does not

[brazen perch]

ok

good to know im not seeing things

[spice spire]

Last updated 11/23/20 per changelog

[woven needle]

Yeah but only in keys will I get to zoom around with a grappling hook

[tame drum]

wait, is assa going to be better on m+ than OL?

[wary ice]

no

[onyx wind]

Never

Maybe if they give us shrouded suffocation and old subterfuge back

[gleaming eagle]

the whole content is carried by ilvl @onyx wind

even pvp

if you are 215

[onyx wind]

Yes

[gleaming eagle]

and you are fighting 200

you can listen to never gonna give you up while fighting

[stoic needle]

I feel like ilvl doesn't stop shitters from being shitters

Speaking from experience

[spice spire]

@ me

[gleaming eagle]

yeah but what ppl need to know

is the difference between

ilvl carried

and actual good

[stoic needle]

215 ilvl isn't going to save you if your tank has a janky ass route and gets pride in the middle of packs of enemies with bursting and doesn't wait for the healer to get Mana

[gleaming eagle]

215 ?!

ppl are at 220 now

lol

[onyx wind]

Idk ive had +15's timed with everyone doing 4k overall

And tank doing wonky routes

[main monolith]

hi ,i want to raid assasination and make outlaw m++, i should wear necrolord or venthyr tomoroww? :S

[stoic needle]

I'm just referencing what exeo said earlier

[onyx wind]

Most depletos are people trying some weird mdi strat

and failing

[stoic needle]

They're both fine

[gleaming eagle]

depends on what you do

[stoic needle]

Nah depletes are people just not doing mechanics

[gleaming eagle]

if you are doing +10 and you are 215

[stoic needle]

And dying 20 times

[gleaming eagle]

you can probably take that jonky route

also if you are doing +10 and all your dps are 220

some mechanics can be skipped

[main monolith]

i am currently nf and i never liked that covenant :C

[stoic needle]

Just pick whichever one you like best between necro and venthyr

They aren't strictly better than the other

Do you want to do more single target or more aoe

[spice spire]

Just don’t do kyrian

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/fgeBUX7.png
It's alright blizzard I just cannot play the game, take your time

[pale fiber]

Whats the covenant for someone who mains raiding, needs to do some M+ and wouldn't mind grinding 2100 in pvp ? 🙂

[slender berry]

venthyr if youre assa

[stoic needle]

Whichever one you want

You can do all of those things with both necro and venthyr

[spice spire]

they’re all fine

[pale fiber]

And the offspec potential, is venthyr cucking outlaw ?

[stoic needle]

No

[onyx wind]

Sure but theyre obv asking because they want a choice that makes it easier :P

[gentle gyro]

is the new venthyr one good for pvp?

[pale fiber]

and sub in pvp ?

[spice spire]

Even night fae. It had extremely flexible soul bonds

[slender berry]

venthyr is 100% best for pvp atm but heavy candidate for nerf once people have their pikaboo clips again

[stoic needle]

Venthyr is really good for sub pvp because of the burst with flag

It's best for burst in pvp but it's not overall best

Soulshape is way better than door

Burst isn't everything

[pale fiber]

do you opt into disorientate door for pvp at all ? is it on the right pathway ?

[onyx wind]

Yes you can use that

[tribal marlin]

probably want Theotar

[pulsar sluice]

venthyr is good for sin pvp

you dont need to reset

[pale fiber]

So overall, all 3 specs all 3 terms of content, next patch venthyr is king ?

[sleek sparrow]

Default blizzard ui

[onyx wind]

I would say yes

[stoic needle]

No

[spice spire]

There’s no real king. You can kind of do it all. But what it does excel at, it does best. So sure!

[pulsar sluice]

tbh draven with the conduit that gives vit looks rly interesting to me

[pale fiber]

and playing a venthyr outlaw on SLG wont be cancer?

[pulsar sluice]

cuz rogue without trinket rn is ez death

[stoic needle]

Venthyr is not really best overall

The soulbinds are too inconsistent to say that

[burnt star]

are we suppose to be able to hit 3 envenom during shiv burst? or that depend on crit proc

[onyx wind]

Venthyr outlaw is good

But necro is prob better on SLG

[pulsar sluice]

I'm just glad i dont have to be a furry anymore

[hard pivot]

You’re at the mercy of timers for thrill seeker and shade is a random proc

[pale fiber]

But if im High end Raid dominant, and only really doing a weekly 15 and just looking to get good at PVP, venthyr is a go forward?

[stoic needle]

Night fae is still the best overall. Good soulbinds, decent ability, always getting value. Necro and venthyr have shit soulbinds but great abilities

[spice spire]

There’s no breakpoint on the shiv burst. Use it on CD, it’s a very minimal gain to line up, and you can lose DPS if you mismanage timers

[pale fiber]

im only really doing shit when it comes to 2/10 bosses with Venthyr+Outlaw

[onyx wind]

Pretty much, assa is beating the other 2 specs by a fair margin atm

On single target atleast

[pulsar sluice]

if you play sub NF is still great

[onyx wind]

And venthyr is what makes assa as good as it is in 9.0.5

[pulsar sluice]

if you like sin pvp venthyr is gonna be good

[shadow helm]

N COVENANT?

[stoic needle]

It's far ahead regard regardless of covenant for ST

[pale fiber]

Rogue is fucking wildin'

[spice spire]

Started from the bottom now we here

[burnt star]

so if shiv is about to come off gcd. and im low energy and low cp i should use it asap?

[shadow helm]

yeas

[stoic needle]

Y'all need to keep in mind that this is a 3% difference at maximum between the bis and 2nd bis covenant for aoe and single target

[spice spire]

Most of the time, yeah. Random blindside proc or two can kinda change it all, ya feel?

[stoic needle]

It's not enough to say that one covenant is the best

Which is a good thing

[burnt star]

thx

[spice spire]

Only time to hold your shiv is for soothes

[tribal marlin]

3% start being big tho

[onyx wind]

Good at everything isnt the same as good overall

But i get your point

[hard pivot]

But the important thing is that I can be venthyr and not feel super bad about myself

[burnt star]

i wish vanish wouldnt reset damage on dummy x-x

[spice spire]

Correct

BECAUSE HOO BOY DID IT

[stoic needle]

If you want to avoid being low energy when shiv recharges you should only envenom when the target is close to dying or when you will overcap on energy or cp refreshing to garotte

[stoic needle]

But the point is that both venthyr and necro are 3% better than the 2nd place option on their specialization. So there isn't a one single 'bis' option for all content

[lilac sparrow]

No overall king covenant for rogue

[stoic needle]

We aren't druids

[shadow helm]

nah venthyr is king

god cosmetics

[stoic needle]

Thank God