assassination

[iron orchid]

keep spreading, and once you are down go back to that one target

and it may depend on the pack it self and your team comp too, I find myself keeping vendetta more and more as we try to synchronise cds for specific pulls

[gusty mirage]

[iron orchid]

Imma hit you with the fly mount soon

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

venthyr fits the theme of my life, arrogant and self loathing at the same time

[stoic needle]

there's tubbins & gubbins, gargoyle gfs, big tiddy goth gfs, tea parties, janky soulbinds, and more haste than you know what to do with

its the perfect covenant

[gusty mirage]

it'd be nice to come back only farm like 10 renown and have an almost fully upgraded covenant

instead of starting from scratch, again

[cold rampart]

guys does cloak of shadows remove dance fever |?

[sleek sparrow]

No

[stoic needle]

i'm coming back to it with 23 renown i think

[cold rampart]

shit

[stoic needle]

whatever you are at on the last step of the campaign

i swapped in the middle of the last campaign mission

[gusty mirage]

I finished the campaign before switching

[stoic needle]

im gonna try to get these last 2 ksm keys and then switch

and do the world boss for an ez free renown

and a LFR clear on monday night

and then another on tuesday morning

i should be caught up pretty well after that

[gusty mirage]

you won't be able to switch back before reset

[wheat moth]

Hey guys, new here so sorry if I’m being a dimwit. Are people generally agreed on the venth switch atm? Also has anyone had an issue with it, I’m suck on needed a calling quest to start the campaign but it’s not pick up able - anyone had this?

[hard pivot]

I'm about to hit renown 30 when I finish this WQ

[oblique flare]

bruh, kill me, chapter 6/9, did lfr cn, callings, world boss, only 19 renown

[gusty mirage]

yeah sometimes you just hit a wall with renown

but you'll end up getting like 2-3 the next day and it'll be like wut

[hard pivot]

I brute forced it with keys

[cunning musk]

Is Whispyr on?

[gusty mirage]

Our assa dad is always on

He's the one who never sleeps

[cunning musk]

Question regarding Doomblades and cleave, does each bleed on each target count toward envenom buff?

So like on 2 and 3 target cleave

[solar flicker]

yea the strat is definitely to do campaign/callings last

and do lfr/normal as soon as u swap

[stoic needle]

why would i switch back

[gusty mirage]

to venthyr?

or did you already switch back you sly cat you

[stoic needle]

oh i have all of the quests completed to switch i just have to turn them in

[strange python]

i dunno if i should go venth or necro

[stoic needle]

i just dont want to do these last 2keys with current flag

[strange python]

what would be best if i want to play both sin and OL ?

[gusty mirage]

but its so good though

2 GCDs for mediocre haste and like no damage? Yummy

[stoic needle]

they're both about equal, there is no real best. it depends on what you want to specialize in

do you want to do more aoe or more single target

[solar flicker]

yeah I havent even been pressing that shit tbh

[shy dust]

Wym it pumps

[solar flicker]

uh huh

[gusty mirage]

other classes are already complaining about the new flag & bone spike buffs

[strange python]

if im doin aoe id go OL if im doing ST id play sin or sub

[gusty mirage]

and they haven't gone live

[shy dust]

I did a halls key and it did 1% of my danage

LARGE

[gusty mirage]

[solar flicker]

[silent tinsel]

Does difficulty matter foe renown farming?

[stoic needle]

[solar flicker]

sounds like sepsis to me

[gusty mirage]

"can't wait to get one shot by assa rogues"

like lol?

a 10k crit is going to one shot you?

[stoic needle]

you can get 1 renown per boss in heroic/mythic 0

only one per M+ key

[solar flicker]

freaks like raz already one shotting

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-unsure-huh-bruh-seriously-gif-8877779

[gusty mirage]

like I got crit for 17k from wake of ashes by a ret pally

but they're worried about rogues?

[stoic needle]

i dont even wanna talk about paladins

[silent tinsel]

I don't ever want to change covs again

[hard pivot]

don't forget getting crit for 22k by a pally auto

[silent tinsel]

Don't nerf anything bliz

[solar flicker]

im just happy fire mage and aff is getting buffed

[gusty mirage]

"balanced"

[solar flicker]

rogue does need a nerf tbh

[rigid tartan]

bruv get out

😄

[gusty mirage]

they need to make us completely useless

instead of having niche purposes

just pull the bandaid off blizz

[solar flicker]

nerf me, choke me, spit in my mouth

wait what?

[hard pivot]

Do we have any other utility they can take away and give to other classes?

[gusty mirage]

I see you too are a man of culture

[gusty mirage]

shroud

[stoic needle]

They've already given stealth to a bunch of classes

[gusty mirage]

that's all we have left boys

[stoic needle]

Next patch: monks and warriors and mages get kidney shot

[gusty mirage]

we can give the unholy DKs a better head start at beating us on the meters

[stoic needle]

Blind made baseline for all classes because who can't throw sand in people's faces?

[gusty mirage]

dude true

[oblique flare]

does skirmish give renown?

[stoic needle]

Bro we're actually going to dump on unholy dps on Tuesday

Afaik it's like 1000 dps sim difference

Actually hilarious

[gusty mirage]

good fuck em

[whole mantle]

assassination bis again pog

[stoic needle]

frost sims higher than unholy now and close to rogue

[hard pivot]

I'd feel bad about it if Frost was the good DK spec but fuck unholy lmao

[stoic needle]

i need to update those class dps comparison sims

i might just wait until tuesday

kinda lazy

[manic harness]

osh

what build do you go for Theotar bb?

[hard pivot]

👀

[stoic needle]

ask me again in like 5 hous lunareste i need to rerun some sims

[strange python]

i need to get a fooken dagger omg

[balmy condor]

That’s when the website will update the sims :$

[hard pivot]

sameee

still rocking a 220/213 pair 😦

[manic harness]

!remindme 5 hours

[stoic needle]

i'm going to do a sim comparing dashing, zoldyck, doomblade and duskwalkers, with theotar and nadjia with double potency /dauntless /wasteland and deeper strat and vigor, and wps/lashing

and another with whatever is bis from those with the other spec/class dps in 9.0.5

[balmy condor]

Aha

[dense hamlet]

do a sim on ttb

[stoic needle]

i'm going to go on the other class discords and poke around in their tc channels and see if i can find their optimized bis list profiles

[stoic needle]

never

[dense hamlet]

why

its tiny

smol

[stoic needle]

i refuse to acknowledge that legendary kekw

[vestal wren]

you can just run the tier profile sim or look at https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T26_Raid.html

[dense hamlet]

too bad u wont be aware of the hidden power

[vestal wren]

ofc they won't update those to 9.0.5 before its live

[stoic needle]

i'm most likely going to use the t26 profile, but just like here in our discord there's still optimizations to be made

if i can find anything that makes it a more fair comparison it's worth a little look

[vestal wren]

if you care

feel free to re-write the wl apl

[worldly bridge]

Whats ur pull/bl burst dps ? my guild wants us to be pumping highest poss numbers for pull on Inerva so we can skip first adds. im picking MA talent for the occasion im more of a subt guy, i'm wondering if i'm doing good

[vestal wren]

they rly need help

its one of the best things you could do to get a fair comparison

[stoic needle]

that would mean i would need to play warlock

dishonest

[vestal wren]

you absolutely don't need to play a spec to optimize/write a apl for it

but you need a lot of time

[stoic needle]

Personally I need to play it to understand how the abilities actually work

reading the guide doesn't give me enough nuance

especially when it comes to thinking of ways to optimize

[fleet whale]

excited to see what sin opener dps will be like with lashing scars

[vestal wren]

i think people overestimate the "burst" of flag

but i like that we see changes to covenant abilities and people being excited

[drifting light]

Hype is realllllllll

[next solar]

so haste > everything?

[civic trellis]

Which venthyr soulbind is for m+ as assa/outlaw?

[vestal wren]

i think the general rule is "everything not mastery"

[dark whale]

Are we expecting to go Sin for patchwerk fights etc? I know alot is gonna play what they want but Its a pretty interesting what spec is gonna be the most desired one

[civic trellis]

The same soulbind than ST? Nadjia?

[fleet whale]

Theotar

[sturdy mesa]

wait so the diffy between NF and Venthyr is tiny af, sweet no reason to swap then ay

[fleet whale]

yeah it isn't really that big

i just prefer the theme of venth

and not having my gpu fans rev up in Heart of the Forest lol

[civic trellis]

Well its 130 dps, it depends how 130 dps is for you

[fleet whale]

also note that venth will be less rng too

cause no burs

[forest wing]

also fuck sepsis

[civic trellis]

^

[fleet whale]

and as far as M+ goes, Theotar will prolly be the pick most of the time
but maybe Nadjia could be used in some Tyrannical weeks/dungeons

[wary mortar]

Anyone thinking of swapping to necrolord?

[dim temple]

They say That Vent is Bis and Doomblade for ST. but was hoping neco was going to be best but lets see stil 3 days to reset so u never know 😄

[late birch]

I would like to switch to necro for raiding, not sure if it will be worth

[fleet whale]

necro is competitive

really the only one that sucks is kyrian

[dim temple]

Been funny if blizzard making neco BIS one day before reset 😛

[wary mortar]

I like the way spike plays for the most part interested to see how it interacts with the rest of the kit.

[late birch]

I chose vent when exp released, not i gotta go back since its the best 😦

[wary mortar]

^ I did too but now I'm thinking necro since it's not miles behind anymore

[stoic needle]

Theotar

[dim temple]

I joined NF at the begining so ... it be easy fast for me to go one or the other.. but i give it a day or 2 before picking u never know about blizzard 😄

[fleet whale]

i just like the Flag/vendetta synergy and line up

[hoary wasp]

Looks to me like venth and necro are both pretty close overall, depending on the content you're doing I think

[fleet whale]

give me those big vendetta windows

[hoary wasp]

Aesthetically I like the venth more for rogue but I also really like the bone spike

[stoic needle]

Honestly I wish flag was a 2min cd just to make the lineup easier lol

[tribal marlin]

Maybe we'll see some good cheese based on Infinite Corruption + Serated Bone Spike in next raid xD

[dim temple]

I do think Neco skil is going to be sick in pvp ..

[slender urchin]

I was Venth to start but old flag was miserable to play. Gotta zerg my 2nd return quest on Tuesday before raid

[hoary wasp]

corruption 2.0 is coming later on in shadowlands bet

[dense hamlet]

its more sick than sepsis or echoing

but u lose soulshape and gain fleshcraft so some -+

[wary mortar]

I wonder if they could make spike work with exanguinate without breaking it, could be cool to bring back the heavy bleeding builds

[tribal marlin]

I think they should rather redesign Exsanguinate

[stoic needle]

I dont have high hopes for rogue class ability or talent redesigns

Like, I want them to, but it doesn't seem likely

[wary mortar]

Agreed, happy to get what we are getting so far, trying to continue playing sin the xpac has been rough

[stoic needle]

Like, rogue sat pretty much unchanged all of beta

If they had the capability to do major reworks, they would've done it then

I don't see that suddenly changing in 9.1

[safe canopy]

are you guys doing double potency or prep for nadjia?

[balmy condor]

Nadjia should be duelist

[safe canopy]

ooo

[fleet whale]

yeah 3% more damage on your main enemy

is gonna be stronger than just about any conduit

[slender urchin]

How come my garrote WA is not glowing at 6 seconds? This same condition works for my rupture

[balmy condor]

You need to check the box

Also why is it aura found false

[slender urchin]

It will glow if garrote is on the target

[limber lion]

Literally just needs remaining duration < 6

[balmy condor]

I don’t understand

What’s happening

So it glows by default?

[slender urchin]

It'll show me a desaturated garrote icon

with a glow

to tell me it's not up

but the glow isn't coming up at all for pandemic

[limber lion]

Except it wont glow because the box is not ticked.

[slender urchin]

even when checked

[balmy condor]

And then this condition checks if the duration is less than 6, and if it’s missing, and then turn the glow off?

[limber lion]

Ah

[balmy condor]

Why is it false

What’s that supposed to do

[limber lion]

It glows when the target doesn't have garrote applied

[slender urchin]

Aura is found = false in other words "garrote is not found"

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Okay

[slender urchin]

But that's not the problem

It won't glow in pandemic still

even checked

[limber lion]

What's your trigger?

Show the trigger 1

[balmy condor]

This feels like some jank

Are those the only things?

[limber lion]

What about adding aura found = true and then remaining duration < 6 below it

[balmy condor]

Just 1 trigger and 1 condition?

[slender urchin]

theres a 2nd and 3rd condition

condition 2 is that "desaturate" when not on (so it's just a gray icon)

that works fine

[limber lion]

What does the third condition even do?

What's the second trigger

[slender urchin]

I have no idea tbh

[limber lion]

That third condition is weird af

Just remove it

[slender urchin]

That was it

Condition 3

was janking it all ups

Thanks friendos

[limber lion]

Yeah, figured as much

It wouldn't glow because you were in combat with an attackable target, 3 errors for the third condition.

But yay, great that it works now!

Jeez, I keep making typos typing on a phone

[slender urchin]

Trying to get all set up for next week

Haven't played Sin in raid since like...EP

[limber lion]

It's great fun.

[slender urchin]

I'm excited

What's the MA opener?

Mut -> SND -> Mut -> Garrote -> Rupture

[limber lion]

Flag before Rup, but yeh pretty much that

If you play Venthyr that is

[strange python]

Is there a bis list somewhere that pulls from raid/m+/pvp?

[limber lion]

No.

[stoic needle]

Yes, it's called droptimizer

[limber lion]

Whichever is the highest ilvl item for you = bis

[slender urchin]

after rupture is up...
Mut -> Shiv -> vendetta -> vanish -> envenom?

[strange python]

I have access to 226 for all of em. Droptimizer won't pull from all 3 at once

[stoic needle]

If you're using subterfuge you wait until garotte us in pandemic to vanish

[limber lion]

Which covenant do you play?

[slender urchin]

I'll be Venthyr

[stoic needle]

Wait NVM I missed the ma part

[limber lion]

Then that's correct.

[slender urchin]

Dope

Thanks

[stoic needle]

Tbh the more I play with ma the more I'm coming around to it

I love the vanish envenom setup

V fun

[limber lion]

It's fun if you actually crit with the mutilate

[stoic needle]

Oh I meant the legendary

[limber lion]

A bit FeelsBad if you don't

Ah, then yeah

It's the best

Hoping for MA+Doomblade combo in 9.1 :'')

[stoic needle]

But honestly having the talent for the option of being able to run zoldyck and still do vanish envenoms is pretty nice

[limber lion]

I honestly can't even remember which talent we had in Legion in place of MA

[slender urchin]

did sin also have shadow focus...?

[limber lion]

I think so

[viral vigil]

So if I swapped from Night Fae to Venthyr, and I have the PvP and raid weapons do they change or stay the same?

What happens on that front....

[toxic bough]

I'm a NF > Venthyr rogue

[stone pilot]

They stay the same

[toxic bough]

And I still have my NF items on

[stone pilot]

They fixed the annoying mog bug too

[viral vigil]

Gotcha

I'm still debating the switch, mostly cause I don't know how fast I can farm the renown.

[dense hamlet]

it dosent take long

requires sanity

[viral vigil]

I have been casually playing for the last few weeks. Just logging on for raid night and the like.. How long would it take me to get back to full covenant tree... I raid wednesday night...

If I went ham and started farming..

[dense hamlet]

u could catch up all of it in one day if u go full tryhard farm mode

[viral vigil]

Whats the best place to farm Renown rn?

[stoic needle]

Lfr, heroic world tour, m0 world tour

[manic harness]

You would get a ton of renown just from clearing the campaign and the raid on heroic/normal

[stoic needle]

Just play the game

[dim temple]

I will waiting before going Ventyr u never know if blizzard buff neco more last day before reset

[dense hamlet]

u get 9 from campgain

[viral vigil]

I will never play necrolord

[limber lion]

You literally just do heroic raid, normal raid and lfr then you're done.

[manic harness]

And the campaigns are really fast now with current gear levels

[dense hamlet]

and like 10 from raid

[viral vigil]

EVER

[limber lion]

Top it off with the campaign

[dense hamlet]

wait

if u do lft full clear u can do normal and hc?

[limber lion]

Yes

[dense hamlet]

lfr"

what

isnt that like 30 renown

[limber lion]

Around 22-25

[tribal marlin]

nah you don't get guarantee renown

I've got like 1 per LFR wings

[dense hamlet]

i got 10 from lfr

[tribal marlin]

lucky you

[limber lion]

After clearing all 3 difficulties and finishing the campaign, you will be at 30

[dense hamlet]

maybe

[limber lion]

No doubt about it.

[dense hamlet]

i thought it works like anima

[sweet trellis]

stats for the legendary should be vers and haste right?

[limber lion]

I'm 24 atm and I haven't done heroic. Just LFR/Normal and the first 3 campaign missions.

[limber lion]

Haste/Crit or Haste/Vers

[tribal marlin]

More likely Crit + Haste but if you want to do some PvP at some point it's completly fine (pve wise) to go Haste / Versa @sweet trellis

[sweet trellis]

thx

[tribal marlin]

Ow I've done 5 calling, 2 LFR wings and Anima quest and i'm only 10 😦

[viral vigil]

Time to start my Renown grind

[shy dust]

Wtf you’re unlucky as shit

[dusky pebble]

I should swap to necro now

[shy dust]

I got like 7/9 renown from lfr bosses

[dusky pebble]

but im really not tryin to do the grind

[tribal marlin]

only got 2 out of 6 bosses

[shy dust]

And every calling has given renown

[dense hamlet]

if u turn in the weekly renown quests does it cap ur renown or u can still get renown form like anything

[primal zinc]

um guys

hello 🙂

[dense hamlet]

hello my friend

[shy dust]

Hi

[primal zinc]

for pure ST venthyr vov is lashing scars...right?

what about 2-3 targets cleave?

venthyr cov*

wps?

[dense hamlet]

still lashing i think its just broken

[primal zinc]

or still lashing scars?

[desert swallow]

You still get renown till last week’s cap. You can get up to 36 only. 37 & 38 require the 2 weekly quests. Or maybe if you save chapter 9?

[brittle pawn]

no it doesnt

[dense hamlet]

ok good ima go clear raid then maybe i get some weapon orbs and turn them in for transmogs

[uneven plume]

Idk why people have such hard time grinding renown O.o

Took me a day to get 1 to 31 necro

[limber lion]

Yep

[sick scarab]

argh i hate macabre Sheet Music trinket,, keep simming high damn lol

cant see images in the mess or the fight 🙂

[limber lion]

It's a bit of a bait, similar to IQD

[uneven plume]

Sheet music is absolutely garbage

[limber lion]

Don't use it :p

[shy dust]

almost everyone does

[sick scarab]

if you can take all 4 images i think is good

[gentle gyro]

pretty big if

[quiet juniper]

Why is night fae that spreed among assa ? Are the damage and soulbind that good ?

[wide ridge]

which secondary stats are you guys putting on your doomblade leggo? haste/vers or haste/crit?

[gentle gyro]

easy of use, strongest overall, synergizes with assa kit somewhat

[primal zinc]

i personally use haste crit@wide ridge

[sick scarab]

stone heraldry is good onyl if more ppl have it right ?

[uneven plume]

If you think you are gonna catch every image as melee in raids or m+ you are kidding yourself

[quiet juniper]

I see, might try it if I dont like the necro buff

[uneven plume]

Get a raid finder skulkers and you gtg lmfaooo

[sick scarab]

in M+ usually i get them all

always

ion raid no

[stoic needle]

Wait until you get to higher keys

[sick scarab]

in raid sometimes i cant see a shit

[stoic needle]

You'll get obliterated trying to get those dancers

Just get rid of it it's trash tbh

[uneven plume]

I’d rather have just one trinket equipped than having two with a sheet

[stoic needle]

Do a couple bgs and get one of the PvP trinkets

[primal zinc]

@wide ridge atm im sitting on 25% haste and 20% crit......1.51 haste///1.67 crit ////1.45 versa... im using haste crit on leggos

[stoic needle]

Problem solved

[uneven plume]

No but I’m seriousness. A heroic skulkers will be better than a 226 sheet

[sick scarab]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i2Pa8L6s8tkV9nfgcx8FZH

[uneven plume]

Or a 213

Or w.e heroic is

[sick scarab]

give me your suggestion .. i cant decide 🙂

[stoic needle]

Stone legion is good even with just you using it

Honestly all of those trinkets are good lol

[sick scarab]

i like 220 decanter ..

[stoic needle]

Just go with whichever one is your favorite.

Anima winds is great, stone legion is great, past sins is great

Stone legion/decanter is probably the 'best'

[sick scarab]

y going that

stone legion, decanter

[pliant apex]

world no 1 rogue ceverion told me yesterday NF is still best overall and easy to not fuck up, venth can be fucked and only best for pure ST

he said unless youre looking to push your parse from 99 too 100, venth doesnt really make sense for most people.

[stoic needle]

Idk about that

[fleet whale]

except venth sims higher than NF in cleave and DS too?

[stoic needle]

I will say that night fae is more consistent because you can't screw it up

But that doesn't mean that venthyr isnt worth picking

[uneven plume]

World 1 rogue is jcp

[pliant apex]

yea esp for ppl like me osh, average casual player

[fleet whale]

yeah, and it's not like flag is some big brain ability

[pliant apex]

no its ceverion, check logs on heroic CN

[uneven plume]

Idk who is ceverion

[fleet whale]

especially since now the haste part takes care of its self

[uneven plume]

O.o

[stoic needle]

If you can use sepsis, you can use flag

The rest is rng

[uneven plume]

Ohh is he also padding assas first on bosses?

[silent tinsel]

Is it hard to delay flag for boss mechanics or something?

[fleet whale]

no

[uneven plume]

I’m pretty sure most of us can roll sin and parce 99s at the moment

No one plays sin

[pliant apex]

i do

[uneven plume]

So it’s easier to parce

[fleet whale]

i mean to be fair his parses are good

[viral vigil]

tfw first calling from venthyr gives me a Lashing Scars.

[stoic needle]

It's not easy to parse 99s

You need to have good gear

[pliant apex]

yea hes 99.9 actually lol

[uneven plume]

Two weeks ago you could have done 3k dps and parce 99 as sin

[fleet whale]

and there is enough sin rogues now where not everyone is parsing 95

[stoic needle]

No you couldn't

[fleet whale]

and lol nope

[sick scarab]

lol

[fleet whale]

two weeks ago, 3k on heroic shreik is a green parse lol

[stoic needle]

I was doing 4-5k+ 2 weeks ago and getting 90s

[uneven plume]

How long were boss fights?

[hollow escarp]

it doesn't really work like that

[stoic needle]

It doesn't really matter

[uneven plume]

Most sins who parced high are in m prog guilds

[hollow escarp]

if there are only parses and you are 3rd, you don't get 99% parse

[uneven plume]

And are parcing on heroic

[balmy condor]

Most water is wet

[frail fossil]

guys did u know 7 weeks ago 760 dps was a 99 for sin ?

[fleet whale]

regardless, Ceverion's comment seems a bit feelscrafty to me

but we'll see i guess

[uneven plume]

@balmy condor what does that even mean

And how does that relate

[royal lantern]

dry water isa thing

[limber lion]

Huh

[hollow escarp]

ofc people with gear parse

[balmy condor]

Well that’s why it’s most

[uneven plume]

Took too much philosophy in community college I see

[pliant apex]

heh you always this charming henny

[stoic needle]

@limber lion referring to this

[balmy condor]

Do you disagree that water is wet?

[dawn ivy]

oh god are we back on uptime for flag versus sepsis

[balmy condor]

Yeah the cycle of life continues

[uneven plume]

Do you disagree that water is now?

[dawn ivy]

i just woke up guys come on please

[uneven plume]

Not*

[fleet whale]

was this some conversation that happened last night

[dawn ivy]

TWICE

[fleet whale]

i wasn't around last night lol

[dawn ivy]

LASTE NIGHT

[balmy condor]

Every 5-6 hours like clockwork

[stark heart]

[uneven plume]

Idk some guy randomly said is water always wet

[hollow escarp]

let's see who laughs in 2 weeks when everybody sold their NF stonks

[fleet whale]

is this the new BoTE vs iris lol

[uneven plume]

And completely derailed a convo

[fleet whale]

or CLF vs BoTE

[balmy condor]

It’s okay to not understand things bud

[strange python]

[stoic needle]

@balmy condor yeah some guy how could you say that

[limber lion]

Ah, yeah. A bit out of context. What I was saying was that your covenant choice will not affect you that much where you will parse 95 instead of a 99. You can still get all 99's with any covenant, but if you're looking to push specifically for rank 1 and get as much damage as possible, Venthyr is the way to go.

You can literally play anything and still parse all 99's.

[fleet whale]

ah ok

[stoic needle]

Word

That makes sense

[fleet whale]

the way the dude said it made it seem like it would be a mistake to go venth lol. But it was simply just misinterpretation

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor how long are you in this discussion now? need a hug?

[hollow escarp]

[strange python]

whispyr really gonna go insane soon

[hollow escarp]

hey, at least I got some rank 1s in Normal yesterday

[pliant apex]

Yup I meant to say that, sorry if ended muddying the meaning

[proper sage]

@balmy condor who?

[fleet whale]

it's ok lol

[balmy condor]

Yo I’m just spreading the gospel of fax no printer

[stoic needle]

Watching whispyr's descent into madness in real time

[balmy condor]

This channel went from swamp to jungle

Lot of fucking monkeys all of a sudden

[fleet whale]

well yeah

look at the sin sims lol

[dense hamlet]

[ember mural]

[fleet whale]

higher sims = more people

[stark heart]

Never stopped being a cesspool tho

[strange python]

whispyr just sandbag the sin sims and it all goes back to normal

[stoic needle]

🐒

[balmy condor]

Yo true

[fleet whale]

this place was dead AF in December

[proper sage]

[balmy condor]

I’ll just sim like guy and use my gear

[hollow escarp]

I was always here

[low girder]

I miss it

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

218 good enough

[stoic needle]

Comfy sin chat

[stoic needle]

Want the exxxclusive oshosi profile? 219 ilvl

[wide ridge]

235 gloves give +55 each secondary stat, is that right? or is it 57

[balmy condor]

That’s the point ya sack of potatoes

[hollow escarp]

[dawn ivy]

@balmy condor do you know the secondary distribution for your bis set sims off the top of your head?

[stoic needle]

That's classified

[stark heart]

Magic distribution

[fleet whale]

just wait until preach decides to go sin, and since it will actually sim high and do good damage

[stark heart]

20/20/60 of rogues

[fleet whale]

he'll say "rogues scale really well"

[balmy condor]

1.739>1.52>1.3629>1.26

[stoic needle]

Oh sweet jesus

[fleet whale]

on one of his recent vids he was outlaw in a dungeon

[summer tapir]

If I plan on multi-specing is there a specific covenant whose ability works well across the 3 specs? Or is it not too big of a difference

[low girder]

I'm gonna fucking lose it if that happens

[fleet whale]

it is inevitable that he goes sin

[balmy condor]

They’re all good

[stark heart]

Preach already said that he has a feeling rogues are gonna be good because devs like class very much

[summer tapir]

Nice. I guess I should clarify that I meant playstyle wise rather than in a min-max sense

[shy axle]

if i do the 1k anima and souls quest do i still get renown at 21?

[stark heart]

I closed video after that phrase

[fleet whale]

i mean i guess he has a point

considering sin has been buffed like 4 times

[wide ridge]

those always give renown

but a +15 wont

XD

[hollow escarp]

so did sub in BFA

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/300-shields-ready-ready-frank-miller-spartans-gif-5492752

[stark heart]

It was buffed because it was that shit tuned initially

[fleet whale]

sub was maybe buffed 4 times in the whole expansion

[stoic needle]

Comfy sin chat vs the preach fans

[fleet whale]

sin has been buffed 4 times in the same tier over 4 months...

(Not that it wasn't justified)

[hollow escarp]

I don't like Preach because he preaches against alliance

[stoic needle]

If rogue was one of the dev's favorite classes it wouldn't have shipped being utter gutter trash in the first place

Meanwhile: mage

[fleet whale]

outlaw is decent but not crazy

sub was massively overhyped

[stoic needle]

All 3 rogue specs were nowhere near as good as any mage or warlock or druid spec

[dawn ivy]

sub was overhyped because a majority of rogues were begging to all that is holy and unholy for it to be fun and good to play

[stoic needle]

It's obvious when you look at the types of changes each class got during beta

Blizzard doesn't give a fuck about rogues

[pine grove]

What? I've felt like one of the most ignored classes for years.

[fleet whale]

yeah just look at our talents

[stark heart]

Not my words

[pine grove]

Oh, I know they're not yours. I was questioning his statement.

[stark heart]

Tweet at Preach or something

[summer tapir]

As someone who played Assassination in BFA I genuinely love the changes they made. SnD back, Toxic Blade baseline, and Alacrity added for us. But I guess it's just my opinion though

[stoic needle]

Preach just doesn't know what he's talking about, he's making hot takes for views

[fleet whale]

wow community as a whole has an odd perception on rogues

[stark heart]

I think he is wrong as well

[balmy condor]

Sub was overhyped cause bugs and overtuned legendaries were adding 70-80% dps

[pine grove]

I do not have a Twitter account. It would hurt me.

[dawn ivy]

A K A A R I

COME BACK

[stark heart]

And people thought it was not a bug and it'd be shipped like that

[fleet whale]

@balmy condor even after all those fixes/nerfs, Dratnos literally posted an article on wowhead 2 weeks before SL launch
ranking sub in s tier for raiding lol

[hollow escarp]

sold so many Umbrahide Helms

[balmy condor]

Yeah 6cp for every shadowstrike

[stoic needle]

Honestly all of those changes were good intentioned but incredibly poorly thought out. Snd was just a bad change. Toxic blade should have been it's own ability instead of being baked into shiv which makes it really awkward for sin. Alacrity is so good that it should be baseline because it completely invalidates every other talent in the tier

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

I remember explaining to a guy that 1 shadowstrike could give 12cp

And he was like “what’s wrong with that”

[stark heart]

I mean it requires usage of ones brain to understand that akaari in that form just couldn't be shipped

[fleet whale]

plus don't forget that site wowmeta that always had sub in s tier lol

[balmy condor]

The internet was wrong?

[fleet whale]

I was more surprised with how many people though pre akaari nerf was healthy gameplay

[stoic needle]

Sounds to me like a bunch of people who don't play rogue giving their opinions on rogue

[summer tapir]

Fair enough! When SnD first came back i recognized it was more nostalgia why I was happy to have it back. Does Shiv still have it's dispel function? If so, then yeah that would be clunky 😦

[fleet whale]

like they thought that would be the ideal design for sub

[stoic needle]

[low girder]

Or that guy a day or two ago that said "we should buff sub by giving combo points back to akaari's"

[balmy condor]

With numbing poison, yeah

[stoic needle]

Yeah, you have to choose between optimal damage and utility which is incredibly feel bad

[fleet whale]

remember all the havoc DH's that went to the sub channel?

what if they all come here lol

[hollow escarp]

yeah, it's pretty yikes to need a soothe but you have already used it with vendetta

[summer tapir]

oh gosh. ew

Alrighty so I guess I give SnD a pass cuz of nostalgia and rescind the other thoughs! haha

[stoic needle]

SnD COULD have been a good change but they put the absolute minimum effort into making it do something unique for each spec

[hollow escarp]

imo we need a different button to replace Shiv and leave it as utility

[balmy condor]

There was a guy as well who said that you can buff the damage back without the cp, and it would be 12% dps increase, which is balanced or something

[stoic needle]

Hmm... Maybe... A toxic blade of some kind?

[fleet whale]

i mean they are already bringing back Cut to the chase for sin, that in itself should show that snd for sin was a fail

[summer tapir]

I firmly believe that they tried to capitalize on the Classic hype with their unpruning of some classes

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

that sounds like a nice spell name

[low girder]

Lmao

[fleet whale]

why tf would someone want a spec to only be buffed through leggos

[neon stone]

how hard is to get the mark memory? 30 runs so far

[fleet whale]

do an M+

[low girder]

Copium does things to people

[hollow escarp]

what mark?

[silent tinsel]

Easy on m+

[fleet whale]

it's bascially guaranteed in M+

[neon stone]

no one invs my 168 alt

[stoic needle]

If BOAT is balanced for balance, 12% Akaaris would be too

[neon stone]

not even to m2

[hollow escarp]

buy a boost

[neon stone]

even m2 is 100%?

[stoic needle]

No

Doesn't get to be 100% until a bit higher like m5

[neon stone]

i also tried buying a boost but who sells m2

[fleet whale]

it may not be 100%

[neon stone]

some ppl said they didnt wanted to lower the key

[fleet whale]

but every low M+ i did dropped the leggo

[hollow escarp]

are you EU?

[fleet whale]

it was supposed to drop first try

[balmy condor]

Blood of a.... back..... on attack Titan...... boat like the water faring vessel..... born on a trailer

[neon stone]

US

[hollow escarp]

ahh

[stoic needle]

Balance of All Things

[hollow escarp]

wanted to check my priest what key I have

[balmy condor]

Oh

Some other class lego

[stoic needle]

The 12% one for balance

[balmy condor]

Ah

[stoic needle]

That blizzard hasn't nerfed yet

[fleet whale]

you know what is truly going to be the best leggo in 9.0.5?
Third eye of the Jailer

people are sleeping on it

[balmy condor]

[low girder]

They buffed the fire mage one to a new bis, why not buff akaari too

Surely nothing bad will happen

[hollow escarp]

that's the only rogue legendary I don't have yet

[fleet whale]

blizz will never have mages be weak

[stoic needle]

It's all about maw rattle

Y'all don't even know

[fleet whale]

it's basically an unwritten law to have wizards be strong in every RPG

[royal shale]

Doomblade still good for all around play in 905?

[fleet whale]

like name one RPG where wizards are weak lol

[balmy condor]

Not really great in m+, but otherwise fine

[hollow escarp]

in old divinity melee were stronger

[strange python]

whispyr u dont delay flag to line up vendetta right?

[balmy condor]

You do if you won’t miss a cast

[stoic needle]

In classic warriors and rogues were bis

[balmy condor]

If you don’t know, just cast on cd

[fleet whale]

yeah but it's not like mages are weak in classic

[stoic needle]

True

[fleet whale]

and yeah flag isn't some big brain ability like i said

[hollow escarp]

speaking of classic, I should unmute the classic section now that TBC is close

[stoic needle]

Aoe farming is absolutely ridiculously busted

[stoic needle]

It'll be dead forever regardlessly

[hollow escarp]

I didn't enjoy my rogue in classic

that's why I stopped at level 23

in wetlands

[fleet whale]

slow stealth speed

[muted maple]

rogues were the best class in tbc werent they

[hollow escarp]

shadowmeld useless

[fleet whale]

and missing damn near every attack

[strange python]

in the apl it say u use it on cd tho

[balmy condor]

No it doesn’t

[fleet whale]

it's probably fight dependent too

[limber lion]

Maybe on a 5min patchwork. Time variance surely changes it up a bit.

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5QKvuKcjqU7K1LbawY7nbY/simc

[hollow escarp]

doesn't it change based on fight length?

[limber lion]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Is that a fucking miki sim

[limber lion]

5min no time variance sim?

[balmy condor]

Exactly 300 seconds

Y’all gonna make me lose my fucking mind with this shit

[hollow escarp]

[fleet whale]

I have a way to determine if you should use flag on CD or with vendetta:
before your raid, flip a coin. If it's heads, use flag on CD, tails, hold it for Vendetta

and there ya go

[hollow escarp]

you can use it on xymox

on cd

because you vendetta at 3 min

[wide ridge]

guys where is the option to sim in ptr version?

[balmy condor]

Also it literally says it right here idk what you’re seeing that I’m not

[stark heart]

Deep breath, cup of tea and it's all gonna be good

[pulsar sluice]

Wehre does lashing scars drop

super unlucky with the callings

[wide ridge]

wb

200

[dawn ivy]

world boss

[balmy condor]

World boss, and sire next reset

[pulsar sluice]

fuark

no other way to get it?

[limber lion]

Callings as well

[pulsar sluice]

i guess ill have to do heroic sire for it

i mean i got wps so i think im okay

[wide ridge]

most of us will have to

unless you're a venari gambler like myself

[limber lion]

Pretty sure the 200 ilvl ones and 226 ilvl ones are pretty similar in dps

[wide ridge]

[pulsar sluice]

wym

[limber lion]

As long as you have the conduit

[balmy condor]

Something something lotta cooks something kitchen sims floating around causing confusion something something

[pulsar sluice]

venari has conduits?

i dont do maw stuff

[wide ridge]

yes

[pulsar sluice]

i have like 4.4k stygia

[wide ridge]

venari sells them for 1900 each

but it's random

[pulsar sluice]

oh

I ahve every conduit at 200

except lashing

[stark heart]

I am afraid I am too boomer to understand

[muted maple]

out of all the specs i believe

[wide ridge]

then venari would give you 200 lashing

[pulsar sluice]

sweet

any rep req

[wide ridge]

yes

[balmy condor]

That’s fine, I’m trying to keep the flame to a minimum

[pulsar sluice]

fuck

[wide ridge]

not exalted

rev

i think

[strange python]

https://gyazo.com/54c25e3d40eafd0d5ec8cb0238190364

[pulsar sluice]

how much is that @wide ridge

im 2k

[wide ridge]

hmm

[reef axle]

Considering the sync. Would it Be worth macroing flag to vendetta 🤔?

[balmy condor]

What am I supposed to see here

[wide ridge]

i dont remember

lemme check

[balmy condor]

No

[strange python]

at 1.34min flag was used

[balmy condor]

Okay

[wide ridge]

@pulsar sluice you have to be Cordial rep with her

[balmy condor]

And?

[pulsar sluice]

oh

[strange python]

i mean vendetta has 2min cd right

[balmy condor]

It does

[strange python]

Exsang work off doomblade?

if you use 1.33min flag u dont line it with vendetta thats what i mean

[wide ridge]

exsang

[balmy condor]

Because it would’ve lost a cast

[pulsar sluice]

thats too much work wtf

21k rep

[balmy condor]

The line says “sync if we won’t lose a cast”

Casting at 2 min on that fight length

Wouldve lost a cast

[pulsar sluice]

whats drop rate on potency conduit for sire

any1 know

[balmy condor]

So it didn’t sync

[balmy condor]

We’ll tell you on Tuesday when we can test that

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/5UJLK8d.png

ayy

[balmy condor]

Gz

[gentle gyro]

now council

[limber lion]

Nice grats! Didn't take too long

That was ezpz

[wide ridge]

@pulsar sluice if it's like finesse and endurance ones.. i'll be damned

can't drop those

for shit

[limber lion]

Council is pretty aids apparently. I wouldn't know because I benched myself for it

[balmy condor]

You mean sludge after everyone else kills council

[muted maple]

loool the self bench

[limber lion]

Have you seen the WCL statistics for mythic council

They're nuts

Boomkin is soooo far ahead every other class

It's actually insane.

[stark heart]

No way

[pulsar sluice]

they are king of padding

[stark heart]

Spead aoe specialist shines on a spread aoe fight?

[wide ridge]

padders

[hollow escarp]

neah bro, they are good, just like monks on Sire

[nocturne orchid]

I for one welcome my lads into the Venthyr, does anyone want to party?

[wide ridge]

if it's a tea one

[pulsar sluice]

yes i want to party

i also want renown so give pls

[balmy condor]

I drink exclusively chocolate milk

[muted maple]

strawberry milk sims higher

just wanted you to kno that

[nocturne orchid]

it is a tea party

[balmy condor]

But it doesn’t allow me to sleep 3-4 hours a day

[limber lion]

There's also spread aoe on Sun King but Boomie is 6th there.

[stark heart]

It's not as spread

And overall damage is quite misleading

[steep gust]

Is there a place to see all 3 spec ptr sims with covenants?

[limber lion]

Yes, the Rogue Discord.

Just look at the pins.

Spec channels have sims for their respective specs in the pins.

[steep gust]

Obviously... just wondering if there was a spreadsheet created by the rogue discord

[hollow escarp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[hollow escarp]

not sure if updated yet

[limber lion]

No, hasn't been updated in 2 months.

But just go through the pins. They serve the same function.

[wanton inlet]

is it ok that I feel super squishy leveling as Assa?

[summer tapir]

What level are you right now?

[wanton inlet]

57

single target is aight but I have a hard time surviving 3+ mobs

[summer tapir]

Are you using the Leech Poison talent?

[wanton inlet]

No sir, I am using cheat death but will change to leeching asap

[summer tapir]

It isn't a massive difference, but I find that it helps me a lot 🙂

[wanton inlet]

🙂 Thanks for the tip

I am very new to rogue so I have no idea what I am doing most of the time

[lean geyser]

Should I go venthyr now?

[trim zinc]

Id go

[wide ridge]

yes join us vampires

mog is bis

[hollow escarp]

but everybody has it

[wide ridge]

so

still looks great

[lean geyser]

Lol Mog nice but what about the ability it any good?

[hollow escarp]

yes

[wide ridge]

i'm saving up anima to buy the anima recolor, that shit is crazy good looking

[lean geyser]

How would I use it?

[trim zinc]

I use the most sim mog ever
Bloodfang
Haha

[hollow escarp]

you have a lot of TLDR in pins

very fresh pins

[wide ridge]

where is bloodfang rework tho? like they did in tomb of sargeras

would look sick

[trim zinc]

True
Saaad;-;

[wide ridge]

also a t1 reworked

would be so good

[hollow escarp]

not bad

[wide ridge]

that helm is a disgrace

fugly

[hollow escarp]

who wears helm?

[wide ridge]

idk

i know i dont

[hollow escarp]

damn, the mythic ToS version looks pretty good

[wide ridge]

i'm missing the pauldrons

[weak tapir]

How are you guys doing with assassin in high keys? I’m just not a fan of outlaw and if assassin dmg is remotely competitive I’m thinking of switching

[wide ridge]

so I hide it and pretend i have it but dont wanna wear it

[limber lion]

I can't find good boots for my mog

So annoying

😢

[hollow escarp]

the damage is fine for sin is rogue, you just don't have gouge

[wide ridge]

show it

[true thorn]

so we all going venthyr on tuesday and assassination? lol

[hollow escarp]

Wednesday is eu reset

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/74e10bb8d34a6b758074e3971ee76c5b

[hollow escarp]

I use the same swords on outlaw

[limber lion]

The boots are rough

[weak tapir]

@hollow escarp thanks. I guess I have to get a second dagger.

[summer tapir]

Would "Bandit Boots" Work for that?

Random green that I mog on a lot of stuff

ohhh now I see that your mog is a lot of Grey colors. maybe my idea wouldn't fit

[stoic needle]

There are no good red themed boots

Trust me I've tried

[wide ridge]

damn those boots ugly, you need the lfr one

[limber lion]

[stoic needle]

The nathria ones aren't bad

[wide ridge]

buy the boe from AH

mog = bis

[limber lion]

I just think that the CN boots are a bit chunky

[lean fossil]

so as venth will we run vigor or deeper?

for st

[limber lion]

Usually deeper, sim yourself for best results.

[lean fossil]

just wondering how the loss of the energy regen would feel

[wide ridge]

remember deeper with 8.3 levels of haste?

damn

we looked like fury warrs

not a single gcd wasted

[lean fossil]

lol

[limber lion]

Not the best honestly. But big numbers yay?

[lean fossil]

i gotta do raid tonight then swapping

dont wanna scuff my raid lol

[gentle gyro]

hoh BOY that fight is cancer

who thought mythic council was a good idea

[celest ruin]

we cant get past frieda without a single person dying lmaoo

[limber lion]

What even is the kill order normally on mythic? FSN?

[celest ruin]

i have no idea, i just follow what our raid lead says

[wide ridge]

frieda last on mythic =

[lilac sparrow]

How can I run advanced sim for several setting together? just put several simc profiles doesn't work

[limber lion]

You literally just paste several simc profiles there

Also if you want to run ptr sims, you put ptr=1 on the top

[balmy condor]

Copy=name

[lilac sparrow]

Oh I put my profile name on covenant slot

[balmy condor]

Well

[lilac sparrow]

[balmy condor]

That’s a problem

[limber lion]

Covenant=Whispyr

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t recommend it

[oblique flare]

0 renown from cn normal

not moving from 21r chapter 8/9

[dawn ivy]

just do keys

[limber lion]

That's fucked and there's something wrong then.

[oblique flare]

hm, yeah true, gotta do my vault chore

[limber lion]

I literally got 9 renown out of 10 bosses on normal.

[oblique flare]

lfr gave me like 5 or 6

[limber lion]

I'm 25 renown and I haven't even touched heroic.

There has to be something that's gating renown from dropping

Like idk, maybe doing all callings or campaign or something locks you out

No clue

[lean fossil]

we do the tree for venth in the pins still?

or does it change up a bit with the rework?

[limber lion]

All pins have been updated with 9.0.5 values

[oblique flare]

hm, i did all callings, but am locked on campaign at due to not being 22 renown for the last chapter

[lean fossil]

fuu'

[lean fossil]

fuus soul binds has not been

[oblique flare]

but yeah, will try a key and see

[limber lion]

That's because they stay the same.

[lilac sparrow]

my 3 callings show renown as reward, but after I got 6 renown from heroic, 2 of them dissappeared

[lean fossil]

thats what i was asking

[lilac sparrow]

definitely there is some mechanism

[oblique flare]

brooo ion can eat a fat wiener

why do they make things so complicated and borderline stupid

[limber lion]

That's some witchcraft shit.

I'm at 25 and I'm still getting renown from dungeons/campaign/callings

No clue what's that about.

[summer tapir]

Isn't there a 7 a week limit?

like 1 per day or something

(below cap, that is)

[limber lion]

Well me going from 0 renown to 22 in one day doesn't think so.

[summer tapir]

AH yeah I would say that about answers my question haha

[oblique flare]

did you do your world boss already?

[limber lion]

Yes. I've done LFR, Normal raid, killed the WB, done 3 callings and now I'm doing the campaign

[oblique flare]

hm ok, because a guldie said it stopped giving him renown after he did the world boss

but i did mine yesterday already

[lilac sparrow]

I think there is hidden score based on renown I have. and the probabilities and whether callings give renown or not is determined by it

[wide ridge]

i went from renown 1 to 28 but then it wouldnt increase for anything

raid kills, +14 +15

[lilac sparrow]

I got 10+ renown after kill world boss

[oblique flare]

yeah, wb gave me nothing yesterday

[limber lion]

So odd, there doesn't seem to be much consistency behind it.

[oblique flare]

seems random honestly

[lilac sparrow]

I think my renown change the odds

[sweet trellis]

!bis

[balmy condor]

Gone

[sweet trellis]

i m still unsure about the legendary and what stats to craft (haste and vers or haste and crit)

[icy dock]

what u guys prefer for m+ ma or zoldyck

[sweet trellis]

i want to craft doomblade on hands for raiding

but im not sure what stats to take

[limber lion]

Haste/Vers is fine.

[ornate lake]

Any nice utility rogues have on Lady inerva mythic (like warrior's spellreflect)?

[limber lion]

You can preemptively use your immunity right before the add-circles appear

If you get targeted by it, it doesn't appear at all

[celest ruin]

2 min cloak

[ornate lake]

Well im being benched, wanted to see if I can justify a spot hehe

[limber lion]

You can justify it by saying that you do big dps after the reset

[celest ruin]

tell him to dm whispyr and ask if assassination scales

[ornate lake]

Hahahaha

Poor whispyr

Yeah ill give them monday without me. Im sure they will start bowing to my after wednesday 🙂

[icy dock]

what legy u guys prefer for m+

[wide ridge]

zoldyck does its job

[icy dock]

cant decide if ma or zoldyck

[wide ridge]

to craft first?

I mean MA works on any spec

but MA nerfed on this next reset

[icy dock]

what about it is nerfed about it

the trinket crit ?

[wide ridge]

it only gives 100% crit to rogue attack/abilities

wont work on trinkets/dg stuff

like orb/javlein from NW

[icy dock]

stats for m+ ?

[thorny rampart]

do you guys think it's safe to craft doomblade now?

[limber lion]

Yes

[thorny rampart]

i feel like i can trust you

i'll do it

[indigo mulch]

Get the pitchfork friends.

[icy dock]

is it crit mastery for m+ or u still go haste crit

[outer estuary]

@stoic needle cheers

[indigo mulch]

prob crit/vers for really high keys

Might be wrong tho

[wide ridge]

vers will always be necessary on higher keys

so you dont get one shot

[indigo mulch]

Haste isent really needed in m+ you have unlimited energy anyway

[strange python]

just leveled mmy rogue. Are peeps going necrolord for covenant with reset?

[tribal marlin]

pretty sure a lot of us are going Venthyr

[wide ridge]

i dont like sniping with sbs so i went venthyr, also mog = bis

necrolord mog = big poo

[strange python]

big poo mog is no laughing matter

[limber lion]

I imagine quite a few are going Necrolord for M+/high end Mythic raid progression

It's the perfect covenant for progression.

[digital zodiac]

we going doomblade leggo too?

[limber lion]

Yes

[viscid coral]

Hi

Someone has the sims for sin's covenant?

Sorry xd

[lone pine]

check pins

[pliant nest]

how far will sin be ahead of outlaw in ST (approximately)?

[wise gull]

400-500ish?

i think

[viscid coral]

but the sims are done with necrolord changes?

[wise gull]

I can't decide between necro or venth

[low girder]

the pinned sims are all up to date on the current changes yes

[viscid coral]

okay thanks

[icy dock]

what soulbind for m+ when picking venthyr

[gusty mirage]

nadjia probably

[pulsar sluice]

its just random

renown is completely random

[iron orchid]

theotar most likely

[trim zinc]

do i use flag on cd or i wait for vendetta??

[lost mist]

so people will swap to venth mostly? im nf right now, and im planning to change when we kill denathrius

[trim zinc]

a lot of people r venthyr already

like already swaped

[lost mist]

nice, i can't right now but if it's good i will do it next week ❤️

[trim zinc]

like i did it wednesday cuz im farming renown to have 30 already when patch hits

im 27 already

[lost mist]

is there any weekly cap in the catch up?

[naive rock]

Nope

If you grind for a couple of days you can get max. Have to do campaign again

[lost mist]

so if i play until i morph in Quasimodo, i can cap renown in 1 week?