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#assassination
hoary wasp
tidal gorge
Anybody that has swapped covenants before know whether those 2 renown weeklies are character locked or cov locked? I.e., if you did them Tuesday on cov 1 and then swapped, do you get them again on cov 2 or have to wait a week?
hoary wasp
How viable is necrolord assassination looking with the necrolord 9.0.5 buffs?
in pve
or just in general
hoary wasp
overall
sleek otter
slender berry
well there will still be alot of other stuff thats better
gleaming reef
(single target)
tame lake
what is the most basic aoe key rotation
slender berry
but if youre talking "viable" sure itll be viable
hoary wasp
I havent played rogue in shadowlands yet I was just considering trying necro assassin
sleek otter
thats for mythic
hoary wasp
I like the idea of like a sorta grim reaper themed assassin
haughty totem
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/817319091596689448/u...
Can u share link? Pls
sleek otter
Check pins
burnt star
time to hit ptr and practice assa for tuesday!
haughty totem
Witch changes assa is better than outlaw for m+?
dense hamlet
wait even with doomblade venthyr simms more that necro? on st
gleaming reef
yea but aoe necro wins
dusky vault
Witch changes assa is better than outlaw for m+?
Having said that. Assa might be the play on tyrannical weeks
burnt star
yea but aoe necro wins
sustain aoe necro wins. but in dslice.. it doesnt
so m+ necro doesnt win
dense hamlet
yeah im surprised venthyr wins on dungeon slice
haughty totem
I can see this sims for all Rogue specs?
torn atlas
Anybody that has swapped covenants before know whether those 2 renown weeklies a...
It's only cov locked. I handed in the anima quest for NF last night before switching and picked up anima quest for Venth straight away.
burnt star
anyways catching up is really fast
stoic needle
yeah im surprised venthyr wins on dungeon slice
a significant portion of dslice is single target, thats why venthyr wins. its good on st and not terrible in aoe. necro is really good in aoe but lacking in st
dense hamlet
im just wondering if assa clearly wins St damage over outlaw to sacrfice aoe on outlaw and go venthyr
and it seems like it does beat outlaw
stoic needle
idk enough about high key pushing to make a recommendation about that tbh
i think they're both viable now
dense hamlet
im just aiming to play assa on raids
stoic needle
there's an argument that if you have a fire mage and boomie blasting every pack you don't need to do absolute maximum aoe dmg as outlaw
but idk if that logic actually holds up in 20+ keys
subtle kiln
and sbs will need more min maxing with resets.
you either like that play or your don’t typically
jagged bobcat
so for Castle Nathira, is it optimal to go Venthyr or Necro assass
burnt star
u can do 19-20 with sub par comp.. did one as outlaw with a fury warrior/ret pally
dense hamlet
i allready have that playstyle with mfd
burnt star
so pretty sure ur not hindering anything
stoic needle
if people dont like MFD they shouldn't be rolling necro 
burnt star
dangerous part of high key are pride/boss
stoic needle
assassination absolutely blasts bosses and pride
slender berry
well assa just looses in dungeons period so what matters more for m+ is if your team has a necro / venthyr in the grp for dungeon buffs
stoic needle
i mean it doesn't just lose in dungeons period
it does less aoe but does more ST
which is valid
especially if your group has big aoe pumpers already
you can vendetta every single pride and boss and lose absolutely nothing in terms of aoe damage because your CDS dont matter for aoe besides vanish
cyan echo
are those sims in the pins updated necro?
stoic needle
yes
cyan echo
ty!
golden saffron
Glad Venthyr become op for assassination rogue. I'm leveling mine and was kinda sad to see that they were sot so op/fun to play
haughty totem
Anyone can share link from sims?
dense hamlet
in the pins
golden saffron
Btw, is it worth to by a r4 now or there will be a massive change on legendary with the 9.1?
limber lion
Everything will change when 9.1 drops, so feel free to invest now.
azure bronze
Btw, is it worth to by a r4 now or there will be a massive change on legendary w...
No one knows and 9.1 is still months away
limber lion
All soul ash prices, legendaries, item levels and everything changes
slender trail
depends what you already have in your arsenal. if you can buy a couple r3s and be more versatile, you could do that. however, 9.1 won't hit for months yet so you'll be dripping in soul ash by then
azure bronze
So what ceverion said
golden saffron
Ok, thank you :)
On my server r4 still pretty extensive (around 50k but I just start there to play with friends), I'll see with r3 so.
tight ravine
switched covs and am up to 14 already
signal gulch
someone show him the pin button
burnt star
damn it.. ptr offline x-x
bronze lark
So are the buff to assassination enough to bring us to the top? I put my rogue on the shelf early SL because I didnt want to play another spec than Assassination and we were doing poorly. From the pins I can see we are now doing a lot more dps than we used to.
it feels like the buff are now enough to make us relevant, any idea where in the pack we'll end up?
tender fjord
St at the top of melee
dense axle
RIP my ash...I just upgrade Zoldycks to rank 4 last week for the memes on heroic runs. Now im going Sin full time and I have to wait for ash for a R4 doom :(
cunning surge
O o f
tender fjord
Zoldyck is not a meme investment imo
dense axle
I was under the impression it was good in 9.0.2
cunning surge
Yeah, Zoldyck is still probably going to be #1 on Sire for Phase 3
dense axle
lol
cunning surge
Yeah it's getting a huge buff this next patch
dense axle
glad I could provide a public service
stoic needle
zoldyck also bis for any kind of cleave or aoe fight
cunning surge
Check the pins
cunning surge
Yeah I'll still take Zoldyck in Stone Legion or Huntsman
But for shit like Sludgefist it's gonna be DB 100%
cunning surge
Not a bad idea, I don't like Sub but I can respect it's burst
dense axle
I like being able to play all 3 specs depending on boss in raid
frosty bridge
I guess outlaw will still be best on SLG?
dense axle
probably
stoic needle
yeah
cunning surge
I can agree with that tbh, like I enjoy Outlaw, but idk Sub just never clicked with me sadly
warped dock
which slot is it better to get Zoldyck Insignia for?
stoic needle
which slot is it better to get Zoldyck Insignia for?
legs
cunning surge
Leggies
warped dock
cool thanks
stoic needle
pantaloons
dense axle
I have a question. Say youre spec'd into blindside, do you cast ambush during Shiv if you get procs?
rustic thunder
knickers
cunning musk
jwhat is best for Doomblade, Shoulders I would assume?
dense axle
I think someone said hands actually
balmy condor
I have a question. Say youre spec'd into blindside, do you cast ambush during Sh...
you would cast ambush on free procs
cunning musk
or hands?
cunning surge
Why wouldn't you? You'd be getting 2 combo points for free to build towards another Envenom
dense axle
@balmy condor ty
stoic needle
I have a question. Say youre spec'd into blindside, do you cast ambush during Sh...
yes to replace a mutilate so you have enough energy for another env
stoic needle
jwhat is best for Doomblade, Shoulders I would assume?
whichever your worst slot is. they have the same stats
cunning musk
whichever your worst slot is. they have the same stats
Cool thanks
cunning surge
I'm gonna be honest, I'm mostly excited for CttC, 1 less timer to keep track of constantly
sand dirge
with my current gear (and doomblade) venthyr with lashing scars sims 70 dps more then niya night fae
dont rly think its worth the swap because of patchwork sims / real boss uptime
stoic needle
None's forcing you to swap. that gap will grow slightly over time but you aren't inting if you stay night fae
i think everyone is happy that venthyr isn't a totally garbage covenant now
tidal gorge
I originally wanted to go vampy bois but the original incarnation of the ability was too awkward
So yeah, good change
cunning surge
I'm NF but hella glad that another covenant is now viable
shadow pivot
Hey I keep reading your convos about covenant changes and i'm wondering how big of a difference there is between 9.0.5 venthyr & necrolord
cunning surge
Diversity is G o o d
balmy condor
Hey I keep reading your convos about covenant changes and i'm wondering how big ...
have you tried the pins
sleek sparrow
I don't have anywhere to hang all my pins
cunning surge
oblique flare
was the trick with leaving a covenant a day before reset in regard for rejoining or catching up renown?
shadow pivot
very sorry to be asking the same question I did check the pin but I was more wondering about its aoe comparison
:d
cunning surge
I got you Whispyr
balmy condor
You have it too
sleek sparrow
BTW whisp did the NF Sims change to DS too from vigor?
balmy condor
yes
sleek sparrow
Icic
hollow robin
Whats the code to change fight type in advanced sims on raidbots?
sand dirge
None's forcing you to swap. that gap will grow slightly over time but you aren't...
yeah i know. i actually wanted to swap beforehand because the venthyr dungeon bonuses are pretty strong and only a few dps are venthyr + flag burst looks good for prides.
sleek sparrow
Ah
hollow robin
like adding more cleave targets
stoic needle
yeah after swapping from venth to NF the first time i definitely missed those dungeon buffs
hollow robin
Wait I am dumb ignore me sorry
stoic needle
it'll be nice to get ez invite to all halls and sd from now on
pastel seal
Brainstorming a little bit, so would love some inputs or ideas; Currently nightfae Sub ST/Outlaw Cleave&M+. I want to switch to Assa ST/Outlaw Cleave&M+.
Should I go Venthyr and focus on huge Assa ST dps for Sludge Mythic, or go Necro for max cleave dps for SGL/Sire and M+ on Outlaw?
Obviously Outlaw being used more often, however the difference in Outlaw covenants dps seems smaller than that of Assa ST dps...
sand dirge
yeah maybe i would have gotten some invites if i was venthyr in those sd 19/20 keys today 😦 but i actually played more dungeon finder then real wow today
pastel seal
And ofc in the end either option is good, just curious about some opinions
simple kettle
remember that HoA gargoiles gonna be nerf
stoic needle
They're still gonna be amazing though
hoary wasp
Looks like Im going venthyr sin
stoic needle
Brainstorming a little bit, so would love some inputs or ideas; Currently nightf...
Tbh this is a question that only you can answer. We can't tell you whether you care more about aoe dps or single target dps
hollow escarp
@stoic needle @balmy condor all keys done with assa 
cunning surge
Hella pog
tribal marlin
BTW whisp did the NF Sims change to DS too from vigor?
I don't recommend going DS as NF. It's a marginal gain (like 10dps) in pure patchwerk and a straight loss as soon as you move a bit
stoic needle
<@!502859708504342538> <@!167090536602140682> all keys done with assa <:FeelsSt...
Congrats man!
hollow escarp
the mount is ugly though 
hoary wasp
WUT
simple kettle
cunning surge
D:
sleek sparrow
@tribal marlin I'm not NF anymore anyways, was just curious cuz I saw the pins were slightly different from this morning 
hollow escarp
https://raider.io/characters/eu/ravencrest/Gnomeveran same
nice score
cunning surge
You can't run another M+, score is perfect
hollow escarp
yep
stoic needle
https://raider.io/characters/eu/ravencrest/Gnomeveran same
Nice io
spice spire
I fell asleep 😡
iron orchid
I fell asleep 😡
I turned the stream on just to time NW19
cunning surge
It ain't shit but I'm still proud overall 
iron orchid
We failed Mists 19 (i forgot to change talents) and also failed HoA 20
stoic needle
Imagine
cunning musk
We have any good Sin streamers in here?
cunning surge
My server is a little flaky, not desolate but not really cooperative either
hollow escarp
Seliathan
balmy condor
We have any good Sin streamers in here?
no
cunning surge
cunning musk
lol
short comet
Come play on illidan where the biggest community is Chinese baby
stoic needle
hollow escarp
stoic needle
When will our lost prince return to us 
iron orchid
seli the outlaw main?
He played with Naguura today, I was like : "Oh i know this one"
"He betrayed us"
cunning musk
Trying to determine if I switch covenents now or not lol
hoary wasp
The red tint of the leather legendary set is what I want for my venth rogue
hoary wasp
then I will be more motivated to play it
hollow escarp
I'm always serious
I know, I've seen your Shriekwing HC parse 
I thought I got a good pull
2k less dps 
iron orchid
I know, I've seen your Shriekwing HC parse <:pepeHands:662712173880934401>
his guild desc clearly states "we like do go and do speed parses"
stoic needle
If only my guild hadn't exploded
limber lion
stoic needle
I miss my PI simps
iron orchid
Which is real stonks
hollow escarp
hi
wise gull
hollow escarp
it's cosy here
iron orchid
Hi @wise gull
wise gull
farewell sub
limber lion
2k less dps <:OMEGALUL:660748552804237322>
Can't wait to play Venthyr Doomy boy in raids
hollow escarp
prob not gonna swap yet
stoic needle
I have more keys to run
limber lion
I simmed 6.2k as NF
hollow escarp
and even now it's not bad to be venthyr
stoic needle
oofers
limber lion
Lost 400 dps but gaining 1k in a few days
sand dirge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iMrkgZ22xLdp7wNkzQXA37
ptr sim looking good 
limber lion
Sounds like a good trade-off 
stoic needle
something something cttc is a 50 dps increase
hollow escarp
you can sim ptr now?
wise gull
howhowhow
tribal marlin
well technically you did not exactly "lose" 400dps
limber lion
Advanced sim.
tribal marlin
it's simc which was oversimming you 😄
tribal marlin
was
because of Envenom Pandemicing
that's why you "loosed 400dps"
well 400dps seems a bit lot tho
oh or maybe I miss understood what you were saying
odd heath
I think he lost 400 dps cause of cov change
haha
from NF to venthyr without any renown
limber lion
Yes, I changed to Venthyr.
odd heath
9.0.5 is already there
hollow escarp
9.0.5 is already in our hearts
civic trellis
9.0.5 i dream with
tidal gorge
And soon we will use 9.0.5 to stab boss hearts
odd heath
i`ll be a fairy forever
limber lion
oh or maybe I miss understood what you were saying
Was simming 38 renown NF vs 15 renown Venthyr with current sim values. Sim'd the 1k dps increase with lv30 venthyr and ptr values.
soft finch
whats opener w deeper? still mut snd mut garrote rupt?
oblique flare
how long does the renown catch up take :0
tribal marlin
oh yeah ok
tidal gorge
Depends on how much you like spamming heroic dungeons
hollow robin
With changes on tuesday, will SBS scale off Zoldycks? Or does it already?
oblique flare
is it capped from skirmishes and casual bgs?
and doesn't campaign also give renown?
tight ravine
also, how would sin parse on council
gleaming reef
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iMrkgZ22xLdp7wNkzQXA37
ptr sim looking go...
how did u ptr sim
balmy condor
how did u ptr sim
ptr=1 at the top of an advanced sim
strange python
is it capped from skirmishes and casual bgs?
four from threads while leveling, daily callings usually give you some, campaign gives you one from each chapter like normal
gleaming reef
ptr=1 at the top of an advanced sim
TY!
strange python
otherwise final boss of dungeon has a chance to drop
and raid bosses have a chance to drop
then all pvp queues
at the end
oblique flare
shiet, will take 2-4 days then
gleaming stratus
If you're looking to power through renown just don't complete 8/9 from what i've seen or reports that you don't gain the benefits
of the catch up mechanics
if you compelete 9/9 campaign
oblique flare
ah yeah, heard it bugs out
gleaming stratus
yea
shadow pivot
You mean you don't have do to campaign to keep gaining renown? Did I do all these quests basically for no reason? q.q
pastel seal
You mean you don't have do to campaign to keep gaining renown? Did I do all thes...
But think of the lore!
errant delta
how do you sim ptr builds?
balmy condor
how do you sim ptr builds?
ptr=1 at the top of an advanced sim
errant delta
so wont work like top gear where i can change things?
balmy condor
correct
errant delta
what changed in the pin?
tribal marlin
You can using copy="xxx" it will copy the imported profile and apply the change below.
So if you do
profile
...
...
talents=3310021
copy = "talent_change"
talents=3320021
will simm both combination
errant delta
too big brain for me
tacit forum
What are you guys bet till they nerf Venthyr?
balmy condor
what changed in the pin?
compared to what
errant delta
what diff did it make?
balmy condor
night fae gained about 50 dps from the sim before
errant delta
lame i dont wanna have too swap cus im lazy
balmy condor
yeh it didn't really change much
bold tusk
Is the new fleshcraft influencing anyone towards necrolords?
verbal knot
Hey guys,is anyone here ahead of the curve when it comes to 9.0.5 assasination? Like what conduits will we run or what will the opener be and stuff.
errant delta
the sarcasms strong with this one
balmy condor
soft shale
i think some people knew but just forgot
balmy condor
Hey guys,is anyone here ahead of the curve when it comes to 9.0.5 assasination? ...
read the pins homeboy. We don't have any apl changes yet
opener and sbs stuff is on my to-do list
see if there's anything there
but I kinda doubt it
verbal knot
oh okay,im switching from sub next reset but i actually have no clue on assasination stuff,thats why i asked
gleaming reef
sin is the easiest of the specs so ur chilling
edgy monolith
what cov are you guys gonna play in 9.05 for arenas
gleaming reef
what cov are you guys gonna play in 9.05 for arenas
venthyr because huge burst
edgy monolith
vent looks like it could be good, but I can't imagine not having soulshape
plus the utility from sepsis gonna suck to lose
tacit forum
I can’t imagine myself going through the campaign again
edgy monolith
5th time for me
regal cape
Yo silly question, swapping to Necro to finish off SLG prog and gonna go it with Sin on Denath. Is the target cap of SBS still 3 total targets?
tacit forum
Jezz! Hell no.
Is the same as BFA... I was about to kill myself when doing the turtle quests
“A turtle made to the water”
Fuk me
stoic needle
bfa world quests were 50000x worse than the covenant campaign lol
tacit forum
Same same but different
bleak sedge
how does the aoe rota change when ure playing doomblade ?
balmy condor
how does the aoe rota change when ure playing doomblade ?
as of right now, it doesn't
stoic needle
i wouldn't
bleak sedge
so we basically just dont use the legy in aoe but for cleave
stoic needle
no, for pure single target
ma and zold are both better for cleave
doomblade just sims well in dslice because of the single target portion of dslice
bleak sedge
so zoldyck still first craft and then doomblade?
tepid copper
Does the burst and changes coming to Venthyr makes it a better choice for pvp as well for Assa?
stoic needle
so zoldyck still first craft and then doomblade?
yep
bleak sedge
Alrite
stoic needle
Does the burst and changes coming to Venthyr makes it a better choice for pvp a...
remains to be seen if the burst from flag is worth giving up the mobility from soulshape
wraith badge
if only i didn't make the swap this morning
bleak sedge
im torn between venthyr fae and necro XD
i like maldraxus most and ability is pretty fun to use but venthyr sounds fun aswell
Also necro has the best dog to pet
tepid copper
remains to be seen if the burst from flag is worth giving up the mobility from s...
Thank you, I am also curious in regards to the damage difference vs Sepsis+Shiv modifier
livid temple
So after all the changes are said and done for ass rogue, what sort of dps increases are we looking at? Right now I sim for just over 6k before the changes, I'm swapping from kyrian to venthyr and I'll be crafting doomblade, what can I expect things to be going up to?
errant delta
yer as if door has a cast time right
stoic needle
sim for yourself in an advanced sim with ptr=1 at the top
low flint
anyone tested necro SBS damage on ptr? can tell me some numbers on initial damage, and on DOT after it stacks with our mastery?
errant delta
no too mastery
bleak sedge
whats sbs?
errant delta
necro ability
low flint
whats sbs?
serrated bone spike necro ability
bleak sedge
oh okay
low flint
i am torn between venthyr or necro, since necro seems so troll in pvp now, want to try it, but i think i would miss big dam venthyr then
wraith badge
anyone think they should make Smokebomb baseline and bring it out of pvp and into pve?
bleak sedge
make shadowduel baseline. Ill 1v1 denathrius
wraith badge
err what raidwide utility would be better that would make rogues something that almost needs to be brought
frosty loom
Smokebomb would at least be a start 😄
bleak sedge
i doubt rogue will have enough utility to be a must have anytime soon
pastel seal
Trix dps increase, Smokebomb, Mind Numbing poison on boss, etc
wraith badge
mind numbing already works.
pastel seal
No I mean things they would have to buff/tweak/add, or in cases like trix and smokebomb bring back
spice spire
We failed Mists 19 (i forgot to change talents) and also failed HoA 20
Some things never change
terse ice
you are all talking about pvp and covenants, but what are your thoughts in pve?
pastel seal
Only Sub has !bis list, not outlaw or assa? 😦
proven ferry
ok
stoic needle
bis list is kill
dusky vault
It was removed due to it spreading misinformation; likely wasnt removed from sub because LUL sub
loud niche
so hard to find a guild FeelsBadMan
desert ether
So wanted to ask everyone. With all the changes coming to rogues next week, will we be viable in raids now. As far as assassination goes?
gleaming reef
So wanted to ask everyone. With all the changes coming to rogues next week, will...
limit max says their melee are starting to reroll rogues in anticipation of them be strong next tier
next solar
desert ether
Hmmmm. interesting the opinions here are more positive then in the forums
gleaming reef
i watched it 3 hours ago so not sure
subtle tundra
i mean you dont need a clip if you know whats currently happening
905 assa si really strong
and if it doesnt get nerfed in 9.1 it will remain strong
dark marten
With the changes to the covenants is venthyr going to be bis in raids for assa?
desert ether
I guess I will just have to see next week. I never had a chance to log onto PTR
torpid spoke
where to put
balmy condor
shoulders/hands are identical
torpid spoke
i thought shoulders is always bad due to stone legion?
balmy condor
are you killing mythic stone legion?
dark marten
wow didn’t know things got updated already
torpid spoke
progging atm
dark marten
Thanks for the info
balmy condor
then put it on hands
stoic needle
Hmmmm. interesting the opinions here are more positive then in the forums
Forums are full of idiots tbh
shell iris
for ST
analog glade
Yes but its better than sub 😦
bold tusk
Really struggling with covenant choice 😦
desert ether
Forums are full of idiots tbh
This is true. LOTS and LOTS of whining and the sky is falling. As of right now I can't seem to make assassination work. Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy tooooooo energy starved. So trying to see if the fixes will help with this area next week
stoic needle
You won't have any energy problems if you have good uptime on your dots. Make sure you're getting 95%+ of both garotte and rupture
Anything beyond that is just the way the spec is paced
desert ether
ok
stoic needle
If you wanna go fast you can play venthyr nadjia with dashing and vigor
But it's not particularly bis
stoic needle
Really struggling with covenant choice 😦
Pick whichever one you think looks and plays the coolest
Forget about the numbers
shy dust
Really struggling with covenant choice 😦
Pick the one that does the most damage
bold tusk
I really like venthyr and necro so its difficult lol i wish the numbers would make it easier tbh
steep gust
is the flag change coming out this next reset?
steep gust
ty
lament mica
ya im glad the patch is coming sooner rather than later
i thought it might be mid-late march
stoic needle
They managed to fix almost all of the important bugs
regal chasm
Really struggling with covenant choice 😦
Ikr. As kyrian outlaw wanting to dabble in sin for ST necro looks like the best all round bet. But venthyr is really quite substantially ahead for sin ST.
subtle tundra
They managed to fix almost all of the important bugs
proceeds to say ENVENOM PANDEMIC
simple igloo
Does Doomblade change our priorities at all in AoE situations? (With the buff to it)
fleet anchor
Somewhat
It means it's generally not worth putting a Rupture up on a target that won't survive at least 10 seconds or so
(Not the primary target, just secondary)
Dashing is more like 13 seconds
stoic needle
I kinda like the idea of running doomblade for ToP
Maybe SD if you aren't double pulling
analog glade
In the idea should pass Venthyr and Craft Doomblade for 9.0.5 ?
stoic needle
!GUIDE
prisma monolithBOT
stoic needle
check the wowhead one
crimson terrace
doom is just st i assume
cedar hare
so what covonant to go
stoic needle
whichever one you think looks coolest
cedar hare
sub + assa = venthyr but outlaw is necro?
gleaming reef
ST venthyr AOE sustained necro
little moth
im just glad venthyr is good now because the mog is good
stoic needle
there is no hard bis
cedar hare
well venthyr is best for st for all 3 specs. Necro is bis for outlaw aoe only
stoic needle
it's bis for aoe for sub and sin as well
cedar hare
necro outlaw i think
sick owl
I'm trying to research whether the Main, Mangle conduit will be good with doomblade. 😄
minor anchor
What about for mut?
sick owl
any suggestions?
stoic needle
I'm trying to research whether the Main, Mangle conduit will be good with doombl...
it's good for non-venthyr as a 2nd potency conduit
steep gust
Which lego is best for sire?
stoic needle
zoldyck
steep gust
Ty
cedar hare
so what to go, necro or venthyr?
stoic needle
whatever you want
steep gust
Oh and even with the necro change, venthyr should still be better for phase 3? I'm trying to optimize for p3.
stoic needle
yes
it really comes down to whether you want to deal more aoe damage and have a cheap CP generator and deal with sniping low hp mobs for resets like you do with MFD, or if you want to have more haste, more ST damage and the best transmog in the game
not that i'm biased or anything
steep gust
Lol can't beat that logic
stoic needle
there's so many variables that can affect your choice. If you do M+, whats your group comp like? do you need to do more AOE damage, or are you with a boomkin and fire mage that obliterate every trash pack so you can lean into rogue's ST damage for tyrannical, prides, and other dangerous mobs? are you trying to do big cleave and aoe damage in raids or do you wanna tunnel and pump bosses? do you want more defensives for prog? there's also potential for stacking LBE if you have several necrolord DPS.
pastel seal
Next week, how close do you guys think a Venth Assa will be to a Sub in PvP? Viable? Close to equal in 2s?
lean fossil
so just did a hoa 17
whats your guys average dps in there?
was at 5.6k myself and idk if thats low or ok
lament mica
i mean overall depends on so many things. a lot comes down to how big ur tank can pull. if u do huge pulls ur overall gonna be way higher, especially somewhere like HoA. i been in groups where there's a frost mage who slwos everything u can kite all day, pull huge and get dumb high overalls
lament mica
seems reasonable for an avg tho
sleek sparrow
demo lock is pog
slender berry
i hope the resto shaman was using ankh totem to buff the locks dmg 
lean fossil
not a clue lol
slender berry
its just a meme .. even tho its sadly true
analog ember
i see in the pins that NF = necrolord but after the buffs coming could necrolord out shine it? or at least keep up?
lament mica
BIG DAM
slender berry
the pin is with the buffs
balmy condor
i see in the pins that NF = necrolord but after the buffs coming could necrolord...
all sims in the pins are post necro buff
slender berry
does bm trinket even help the dmg ?
dont you need to buff your minions hp or do they scale off your hp?
slender berry
ah makes sense
analog ember
@balmy condor does it work with the class in general or is it just a bad button to hit
cedar hare
what soulbind for assa?
honest siren
check pins big guy
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> does it work with the class in general or is it just a ba...
I don't understand the question
cedar hare
well i did. but are they up to date?
honest siren
yes they are all set
balmy condor
well i did. but are they up to date?
you can check the post times, literally less than 24 hours ago dude
lament mica
exactly, 24 hours ago. that shit outdated
honest siren
Covenants:
Venthyr > Night Fae = Necrolord > Kyrian
More details: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz
cedar hare
@balmy condor Not on soulbinds?
lament mica
thats 1 whole day ago u know
wut cov do u wanna know? pretty sure for venthyr its umbrella dude for aoe and nadija st
cedar hare
aight ty
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> Not on soulbinds?
I still don't get the question
tribal marlin
They managed to fix almost all of the important bugs
But Sepsis still doesn't interact with Zoldyck nor Mastery, and Envenom doesn't interact with Zoldyck
Actually I think Envenom + Zoldyck is intended but should synergyze. It probably won't make Zoldyck better than Doomblade (or at best equal) but it would further empower our execute niche..... which is at the end only raid valuable thing we have
analog glade
@balmy condor The spec seems to destroy the sub in ST, so for raid, the idea would be to start a Venthyr swap?
balmy condor
sure
analog glade
@balmy condor I don't have the legendary Zoldyck, the priority would be to craft gloomblade in 235? 
carmine fable
i know i will be flamed for asking this but... is assa going to be "competitive" after 9.0.5?
carmine fable
it already is imo
can you link me your r.io prof pls
u using assa for all?
pvp-raid-m+?
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> I don't have the legendary Zoldyck, the priority would b...
depends entirely on what you do
there's legendary priorities in the pins
lament mica
another one of the thousands of people hardstuck on council
gleaming reef
hey im 6/10M as well
split veldt
split veldt
we jsut had our first night on council, saw phase 3 5 times in 31 pulls, not too bad imo
lament mica
did u see dance?
subtle kiln
just go to subcreation.net if you need to see “viability”
dense bramble
how is assassin compared to sub?
split veldt
im terrible at mechanic names. which part is dance
subtle kiln
legit every spec has done a 20
lament mica
the dance macabre where u dance 6 times lol u madman
split veldt
oh rofl
lament mica
i mean p3 dance
lament mica
seeing p3 5 times by 30 pulls is really good, but seeing p3 dance woulda been nutty good
split veldt
shit goes to hell real fast in P3 lmao
split veldt
truth
strange python
what covenant is looking good for next patch?
split veldt
VENY BOIZ
strange python
hell ya
split veldt
let the grind begin
strange python
truu
carmine fable
did someone really call for an rio check?
sorry, i like outlaw but i feel like im not doing any dmg on mythic raiding
split veldt
i wouldnt raid as sub personally
strange python
i do sub ST, outlaw more than one. but im really jus waiting on the assass dream
carmine fable
i wouldnt raid as sub personally
i was raiding as outlaw xd
lament mica
is sub really that difficult? cuz I've played a decent amount of melee specs and i dont think ass is as easy as lot of ppl say in this chat
plain jewel
ass and sub have a pretty similar fairly easy play style i found. and this is my first time trying sub
ass is just refresh ur bleeds. and then mut envenom
young pebble
sub is punishing if you're pulled off your target by a mechanic though
plain jewel
sub is press symbolds and dance. and then shadwostrike evisc
not much to them
also question. i have about 8K anima saved on nightfae. any way to transfer to venthyr when i swap?
lament mica
no
balmy condor
let the grind begin
same
worn geyser
depends on the content. assa skill floor can go up a lot in m+
lament mica
it stays in NF fforever
dense bramble
how is assassin compared to sub?
plain jewel
no jank buying and selling back items with anima?
lament mica
ya ass takes a lot of big brain low cp finishers n micro decisions
i think at least. im ass at ass
analog glade
When did you start your Venthyr swap?@balmy condor
scarlet sapphire
I don’t know which covenant to take
young pebble
U guys aren’t gunna wait to see if neceolord is better
We've seen the sims already
woeful canyon
So reading all the changes we can assume that assa will be the best spec ST yes or nay ?
scarlet sapphire
My rogue is lvl 58 right now
I think I’m gunna go ass and get doom blade legendary
burnt drum
Hey all, re-rolling rogue, is venthyr the way to go now?
young pebble
So reading all the changes we can assume that assa will be the best spec ST yes ...
yes
plain jewel
venthyr is good for sub and venthyr when patch goes live on tuesday
for sub and ass lol
plain jewel
ye it is
storm lodge
does shiv buff sepsis?
fathom swift
lack of mobility?
scarlet sapphire
Yea u only get 1 shadow step as ass
fathom swift
we talkin about the same class?
candid flicker
also question. i have about 8K anima saved on nightfae. any way to transfer to venthyr when i swap?
@plain jewel
I think you can buy nf items, switch cov and return it to the vendor. Not sure though.
plain jewel
ye ill try it out. cuz not gonna use the anima anyways
plain jewel
huge
prisma yoke
it's been known since december and blizz hasn't bothered to fix yet
i saved 7.5k renown today
plain jewel
i have to wait till tueday cuz ive already been vethyr and gotta do the quests. so hopefully no surprise hotfixes lol
lament mica
i thought it used to work and they nerfed it but i guess not
willow turtle
!bis
balmy condor
When did you start your Venthyr swap?<@!167090536602140682>
3-4 days ago
plain jewel
bis donest work cuz whispyr hates us
visual lake
Fuck it I'm staying bony boi's. That sound SBS spike makes is just too good to give up. Plus the buff makes it competitive in single target and outlaw aoe.
stoic needle
ya ass takes a lot of big brain low cp finishers n micro decisions
not really, its just ooga booga fok tab rupture garotte
you dont do low cp ruptures thats a meme
visual lake
Might not be the outright best but it's versatile
lament mica
wat about like 4 cp envenoms and low cp snd idk lol
slender urchin
Weird question, but how do I know when I’ve helped the Venthyr completely for my switch-back quest. I don’t see a progress bar
visual lake
Plus the original Flag put me off for life
plain jewel
Weird question, but how do I know when I’ve helped the Venthyr completely for my...
untrack some quests. it should appear on the right side
slender urchin
Oh that’s probably it, thanks!
analog glade
@balmy condor I see you are renown 23 or 24 after this u start full campaign? or before ?
dense hamlet
go make a focus rupture macro and feel fancy using it its pog
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> I see you are renown 23 or 24 after this u start full cam...
I'm 3/9 atm
dense hamlet
and like focus garrote and stuff
i fORGOT u have to do 9 chapters
my brain
fuck why is there so much questing in the game man
lament mica
venthyr felt quicker than nf to me but idk
balmy condor
cause it's an mmo
dense hamlet
who cares just get into the endgame
lament mica
games have tried that and ppl don't like it as much
stoic needle
wat about like 4 cp envenoms and low cp snd idk lol
4cp envenom is the same as outlaw and sub, max -1. You don't really low cp snd either
Keeping track of the timers is something but still not that hard
lament mica
ya its not that hard, but its harder than most melee specs lol
stoic needle
who cares just get into the endgame
Sounds like you don't enjoy MMOs
lament mica
so many melee specs are braindead
dense hamlet
Sounds like you don't enjoy MMOs
do u enjoy questing for 4 diff covenants just to get to play with theyr stuff
balmy condor
you get the abilities very early in
stoic needle
Yeah it's not that bad at all
dense hamlet
i mean yes but u need the soulbinds tho
stoic needle
Takes like 1 day if you really grind it
balmy condor
for what
dense hamlet
wdym for what for playing with it
stoic needle
You have to work to be optimal, yea
balmy condor
well yeah but do the soulbinds make a gameplay impact?
plain jewel
youd be surprised how many ppl play for the quests and story. thats just how mmo's be. WoW get a lot of critisism for having a weak story tbh
stoic needle
Wows story is kinda weak lol
plain jewel
ye lol
analog glade
So it's sure that if I swap Venthyr Assa + bis leg for next week, my sub spec will be behind 😦
@balmy condor
dense hamlet
u should be able to get a vouch in ur new cov and no questing
hushed sphinx
balmy condor
So it's sure that if I swap Venthyr Assa + bis leg for next week, my sub spec wi...
good chance of it, yes
vagrant marlin
are you guys going venthyr then?
dense hamlet
well yeah
analog glade
@balmy condor Well i trust u MATE ! its time to swap after my last dena mm kill sunday 😦
vagrant marlin
sin is stronger than sub
venthyr is the way to go?
regal chasm
I'm a lil torn as it's likely not worth playing sin over outlaw in ST unless I switch to venthyr, but venthyr is not great for outlaw aoe
dense hamlet
u can go necro
its behind on st for assa form venthyr but its still stronger st than outlaw
visual lake
Yeah I'm staying necro for the versatility
civic trellis
Which souldbind has been taken on the pinned sims?
Nadjia?
And which one of necrolord
balmy condor
And which one of necrolord
heirmir
balmy condor
venthyr is the way to go?
seems that way
civic trellis
Nadjia is the best one for pure ST?
calm grail
Hey guys, Chadlaw here checking in. How are things looking in poison land? flexes pistol
I heard your boss damage looking real THICC now.
balmy condor
I heard your boss damage looking real THICC now.
yep
balmy condor
Nadjia is the best one for pure ST?
yep
regal chasm
its behind on st for assa form venthyr but its still stronger st than outlaw
Yeah I'll need to sim it. I don't think necro + sin is far enough ahead of outlaw to be worth the effort
vagrant marlin
seems that way
so considering dungeon slice, venthyr should be the best for m+?
dense hamlet
Yeah I'll need to sim it. I don't think necro + sin is far enough ahead of outla...
on pure St its like ahead by 300 if u compare pin sims
night leaf
in pins I only see assassination. do we also have outlaw detailed comparison?
sharp pawn
im going from kyrian sub to venthur assa. which leg do i craft and on what slot?
night leaf
bah my bad thanks!
civic trellis
Which potency conduit is the best for necro? Sudden fractures?
ST, with heirmir
Trying to speed up my sims
dense hamlet
isnt sudden fractures dogshit
civic trellis
which all conduits selected is just too much combinations
balmy condor
isnt sudden fractures dogshit
yup
visual lake
Think it's still Well placed steel
civic trellis
No idea
balmy condor
it's WPS for all single target, LP for all aoe, except venthyr where it's lashing scars for both cause it's crazy
civic trellis
Oh okay thanks 🙂
manic harness
Quickest way to get renown capped after campaign is complete?
viral meadow
it's WPS for all single target, LP for all aoe, except venthyr where it's lashin...
is lashing scars also crazy for the other specs?
civic trellis
Quickest way to get renown capped after campaign is complete?
Heroic pvp m+ spam i guess
viral meadow
So I can keep my soulbinds for each spec if I swap?
balmy condor
is lashing scars also crazy for the other specs?
I want you to think about that question
VERY carefully
civic trellis
xD
viral meadow
am I.... am I stupid?
balmy condor
oh
viral meadow
outlaw sub
tribal marlin
so I dont have to hearth if I want to OL for one boss fight
unfortunately Count the Odd is too strong to pass 😄
regal chasm
on pure St its like ahead by 300 if u compare pin sims
They're not using the same profiles
viral meadow
unfortunately Count the Odd is too strong to pass 😄
I feared as much
dense hamlet
They're not using the same profiles
ik whisper used bis profile and guy used his own
but also guy has good gear so u might be able to compare them abit
why did i type whisper
gusty mirage
REEEEEEEEEEE
dense hamlet
w/e man "whispyr"
proper halo
so venth foir all 3 specs next week right
simple wadi
civic trellis
I guess ST pinned sims are done with talents 3-3-2-x-x-2-1 right?
it only says the first three tiers
balmy condor
yeah alacrity and pb is default
balmy condor
yeh
manic harness
yes
kyrian too
they're all close enough that you can pick what you want
you want to be ugly leather rogue?
you want to be angel boy?
you want tea parties with big tiddy goth gfs?
pick what you want
tribal marlin
Venthyr is significantly ahead (with higher gear at least)
manic harness
Not til 9.1 at least
tribal marlin
also irrelevant,for assa you need at least 20% haste right?
Not really, you mostly need as much haste as possible
manic harness
uh, boys?
tribal marlin
there is no "breakpoint" especially for Haste and Crit in Assa. These 2 stats keep being top stat even if you hard commit on one. You could have 27% haste that haste would still be top stat.
balmy condor
also irrelevant,for assa you need at least 20% haste right?
breakpoints and haste levels and stuff is mostly bullshit, ilvl is way more important
balmy condor
verbal knot
you venthyr with doomblade on ptr?
subtle tundra
linking the sim would be a great starting point 🙂
buoyant mauve
linking the sim would be a great starting point 🙂
nice eris but roxy is still #1
stoic needle
potent crescent
we safe to craft doomblade then?
balmy condor
yes
buoyant mauve
who you repin', @stoic needle ? what clique you claim?
frigid stone
Sin or outlaw for raid with these changes?
slow marsh
If by this you mean are we the first class with equally suck covs then yes
verbal knot
Sin or outlaw for raid with these changes?
depending on the fight,assasination for single target like shriek sludge or xymox
slow marsh
I mean sure but I don't super care being locked into night fae if it means I get convoke and get to be a top 3 class because of my borrowed power. Yes, it's nice to actually get to choose. But it still doesn't fix that we are a mediocre class at the end of the day
That being said, i'll take what I can get and am happy about the changes
dire violet
This raid in my opinion has been all about bringing the player.
civic trellis
The thing is assa venthyr is really good in ST but outlaw necrolord is really good at +2 targets
the later happens in half of CN bosses
So its being a really hard decision which covenant to choose
slow marsh
Venthyr is better in m+ and is less buttons
civic trellis
Is not, Necro is way better.
slow marsh
Its not actually
verbal knot
dont forget that outlaw is an rng spec tho,assa might do better than an outlaw with shitty rolls
on 2 targets at least
civic trellis
Outlaw necro >> Outlaw venthyr for m+
subtle tundra
This raid in my opinion has been all about bringing the player.
i wouldnt say "all about" surely you want one or two AMZs or getting a link/barrier/AM
sharp pawn
doomblade on hands or shoulders ?
civic trellis
Idk about venthyr assa in m+
fathom swift
do you still just use venthyr ability on cd for assa?
dire violet
Yes all about is a bit extreme
slow marsh
Well this is the sin channel so
buoyant mauve
Whispyr said hands is safe bet iirc
verbal knot
if youre not killing mythic generals it doesnt matter where you craft it
sharp pawn
i have a 226 hands, and a 220 shoulders
verbal knot
id put it on shoulders then
slow marsh
I mean it depends on your hands I guess. If you think you'll ever clear mythic SLG hands is the way to go
They are both the same stats so literally the only difference is the shoulder ilvl
sharp pawn
we are 5/10 mythic but long way to go for SLG
slow marsh
Then I suppose shoulders is the play for prog and then when you finally get shoulders you can just recraft hands
sharp pawn
ye true
regal chasm
Probably gonna go all-in on venthyr since big ST dmg is the main reason to play over outlaw. The gain over necro is about the same as the loss for outlaw m+, so I guess the venthyr transmog is the tipping factor lol
verbal knot
yeah finally we can look like rogues instead of fairies
cedar hare
Tbh. The amount of dmg lost on AOE to necro isent that much. So im going venthyr
civic trellis
Its 350 dps for me in dungeon slice sims
cedar hare
And if u play outlaw. Venthyr will do fine
Well 350 isent that much in aoe dmg. Tho 350 dmg in ST id alot
potent crescent
im probly just going to stay NF
civic trellis
I prefer St but there are fights which arent pure ST in CN
dawn ivy
is the venemous wounds buff similar to the SnD rank 2 we are losing?
balmy condor
is the venemous wounds buff similar to the SnD rank 2 we are losing?
they completely balance each other out in single target
deft vault
if you play the vendetta legendary on sludge do u vendetta on pull?? will it be back on time for 1st pillar
tribal marlin
if you play the vendetta legendary on sludge do u vendetta on pull?? will it be ...
No it's a bait unfortunately
balmy condor
I don't think so
tribal marlin
it gives Vendetta 70sec CD most likely
deft vault
zoldyck still better?
balmy condor
probably should play MA or doomblade
tribal marlin
Doomblade is bug and I believe the Amp from Sludge is applied twice
once on Mutilate and once on the dot
so yeah maybe Doomblade until they fix (I already reported the bug)
deft vault
Ma with nightstalker i assume?
tribal marlin
Nightstalker and MFD yeah
naive rock
Which cov is best in a raiding environment necro or venth?
lament mica
cedar hare
Well venthyr is best for ST. Necro for 2 or more targets
But if u think about 2+ targets. U go outlaw
And sub is just....
ionic fox
before swapping to venth is there anything i should do with anima?
tribal marlin
buying mounts cosmetics
but your anima we'll stored (I believe) and you'll get it back if you ever go back to your original covenant
tribal marlin
And sub is just....
Sub has a very very very high burst damage windows with Flagellation
We might see some crazy interaction with "empowered" conduits coming in 9.1 and deeper dagger for example
stoic needle
before swapping to venth is there anything i should do with anima?
buy cosmetic armor and then resell it to get your anima back
tribal marlin
if, idk, deeper dagger value in increase by 800% for 10sec when activating Flagellation, or wierd stuff like this, Subt's burst damage might even compete with Convoke actually
ionic fox
@stoic needle that still works?
tribal marlin
And sub is just....
I know it sounds kinda over the top, but we did some testes with friends with PvP talents (ToT and Skyfury) with 12sec of MA (Vansih > Shadowmeld) I was pulling out over 350k damage in 12sec it's almost 30k dps burst damage 😄
tribal marlin
Well Subt damage amplificators like SoD and SD just make Flag deal insane amount of damage
I had skyfury wich was straight 20% additionnal magic damage (but no Chaos brand tho)
You get a couple of WM procs and damage start being crazy basically
shadow helm
VENTH RIGHT WHISPY?
balmy condor
yes
fleet anchor
if, idk, deeper dagger value in increase by 800% for 10sec when activating Flage...
What exactly do you mean?
velvet nacelle
any time rogues get some interactions like that they nerf em in a hurry
fleet anchor
Not sure why Deeper would have any strange interaction here
velvet nacelle
i think he was just being hypothetical
fleet anchor
Yeah I just don't follow the hypothetical lol
velvet nacelle
like there might be something out there, not that particular example
fleet anchor
It's just a simple damage taken mod
dawn ivy
its a daydream hypothetical
velvet nacelle
i think you're overthinking koji 🙂
i'm doing my first raid as assassination today
tribal marlin
What exactly do you mean?
There are working on some "Empowered conduit slots"
for 9.1
velvet nacelle
i haven't even hit a training dummy
and i'm beating my sub parses because i'm more engaged haha
fleet anchor
That seems far-fetched lol
tribal marlin
It can be anything, can be just more powerfull conduits, OR it can be like you "choose" a conduit slot to empower and it gets some additionnal effects
it's full speculation I know
but because of the synergy there is between Deeper Dagger and Flagellation, we could see some interesting things
fleet anchor
I mean, at that point we can also expect that the the Convoke Conduit also gets buffed by 800% 🤣
balmy condor
That seems far-fetched lol
wait, I thought we're in the business of day dreaming
simulations aren't real, that's why they're simulations
:D
dawn ivy
arent most class changes done during x.x.5 patches?
so there probably wont be many class changes coming in 9.1
tribal marlin
You'll remember this talk when you'll see "Empowered Deeper Dagger : +800% effectiveness after activating Shadowblade" !
in 9.1 ptr
balmy condor
so there probably wont be many class changes coming in 9.1
9.1 brings new systems along with raid/dungeon stuff usually so the interesting part will be looking at how the new stuff interacts with the old stuff
dawn ivy
yeah thats how i remember it all
fleet anchor
Using Shiv with Vendetta up puts a bleed that causes all your poisons to explode in a cloud of poisony blood dealing 300% AP damage to all nearby enemies for 12 seconds
ez
Gotta make up something appropriately hard to understand the tooltip
frozen karma
you sync the venthyr ability with vendetta unless it makes you lose a cast right?
same as before with sepsis?
tribal marlin
yes
fleet anchor
Yes
prisma yoke
deeper stratagem instead of vigor 
fleet anchor
Probably syncing always would be better than always on CD but I honestly would need to check
tribal marlin
It means you want to study some logs before starting a fight to estimate the fight lenght and then plan ahead. On <4:00 fight you might just want to delay Flag to sync with Vendetta, but on 5mn fight you might want to rather delay Vendetta insteed.
tribal marlin
and what would be worse, use it on cd alwayys or sync always no matter what
I'd say that as a rule of dumb you can apply this :
- If fight is <4:30 just Sync everything with Vendetta on CD.
- If fight is >4:30 just pop all on CD and sync your last use (delay vendetta)
frozen karma
I've started progging Denathrius in M this week and up to now I was NF and always syncing Sepsis with Vendetta, but I should probly change this bad habit
tribal marlin
For Sire specificly you should sync yes
if you desync during P2 it will fuckd up sync timer for phase3 and you want theim to be sync for phase 3
frozen karma
so always vendetta on cd and hold sepsis/flag for it in that particular fight?
tribal marlin
basically if you use Sepsis on CD in phase 2, you will have Sepsis up at start of phase 3, but not Vendetta and you will just delay Sepsis for like 45sec, at the end you don't win a cast de-syncing so better full sync.
Yeah but don't re-use vendetta in phase 1
Pop all at the begining of phase 2, and then vendetta on CD.
balmy condor
Using Shiv with Vendetta up puts a bleed that causes all your poisons to explode...
Let me guess, it’s also neither a poison, nor a bleed, and doesn’t work with zoldyck, and does arcane damage, and scales off of strength
frozen karma
Oh okay, I was using it twice p1 and my following cast was on second big add
gusty mirage
Let me guess, it’s also neither a poison, nor a bleed, and doesn’t work with zol...
finally my +15 strength enchant will matter
tribal marlin
I knew my Str enchant on glove would matter one day !
gusty mirage
@tribal marlin GET OUT OF MY HEAD
tribal marlin
hahaha
turbid glacier
assa better on 2-3 targets than outlaw now?
balmy condor
assa better on 2-3 targets than outlaw now?
No
frozen karma
@tribal marlin at the begining of p2 I'm not on Denathrius tho, and we're already melting the first add
for now I've been using twice on p1, then the second add and then on cd on Denathrius
velvet nacelle
ok i'm just better at assassination than sub
frozen karma
yeah he is, I guess I could just tunnel Denathrius
tribal marlin
yes do
gusty mirage
ok i'm just better at assassination than sub
assa's more forgiving than sub. If you mess up a dance window your damage is pretty much doo doo
frozen karma
dot the add for some extra energy
tribal marlin
I played Subter and vanish triple garrote, rupt add, vendetta Sire
velvet nacelle
@gusty mirage yeah i was doing better at low ilvl when i was more engaged, lately my guild has been stalling so i went assassination to mix things up this week
dark token
frozen karma
I'll try that next week, been using the MA talent myself
gusty mirage
<@!192059095279337473> yeah i was doing better at low ilvl when i was more engag...
I'm thinking of full sending assa tuesday. Just gotta figure out whether I switch back to venthyr or switch necro
I'll still play outlaw in keys, so I think necro might be a good play
fleet anchor
yeah he is, I guess I could just tunnel Denathrius
I mean I wouldn't just tunnel Denny, no reason not to full DoT Remornia too.
tribal marlin
I'll try that next week, been using the MA talent myself
I think MA is better to be honnest i'm considering playing MA as well for our future reclear
velvet nacelle
i'm still NF right now
doesn't synergize great with assassination but i like the soulbinds
frozen karma
I mean I wouldn't just tunnel Denny, no reason not to full DoT Remornia too.
yeah ofc, was just saying instead of going hard on the add I'll put most of the dmg on Daddy D instead
fleet anchor
Generally on the 1st platform I tunnel Remornia and just late refresh DoTs on Denny because the tank takes him away sooner while she stays behind until the grip
tribal marlin
Subter gives more boss damage in phase 2, but we start having too much dps boss in phase 2 so I will switch MA now.
fleet anchor
But usually on that one it is better just to go on the boss because that add dies fast
I use Vendetta on 2nd add
lean fossil
so why is everyone going venth or necro if its a small dps upgrade? just trying to min max? just asking opinions lol
tribal marlin
Yeah that's good play as well, Remo stay longer on 1st platform. But we have 3 hunter and 1 warrior so I try to not deal too much on remornia
frozen karma
yeah right now we are LATE AF on dmg, our pulls haven't been great in P2 but the 5ish times we reached P3 boss was at 45%+
tribal marlin
she tends to drop <80% faster nowaday
tribal marlin
yeah right now we are LATE AF on dmg, our pulls haven't been great in P2 but the...
yeah then I strongly suggest you to funnel all your damage to Sire in phase 2.
balmy condor
so why is everyone going venth or necro if its a small dps upgrade? just trying...
More interesting, min-maxing, aesthetic, etc, depends on who you ask
velvet nacelle
i finally conditioned everyone in my guild to soak properly in p3