assassination

[manic harness]

Until all quests are done

You keep nf

[stoic needle]

2/2... sooooon...

[manic harness]

When final quest is done spells switch

[shy dust]

Damn

Imagine leaving

[split veldt]

my spells switched instantly

[shy dust]

You’re not worthy

[spice spire]

Wait

[stoic needle]

you've obviously never used live flag

[shy dust]

Cant hear you over the fact you play sin

[spice spire]

Live flag

[manic harness]

Live Flag is not that bad on Outlaw lol

[shy dust]

Live flag is shit

With the 2nd gcd

[stoic needle]

i'm sorry don't you have to be attending the funeral of sub?

[young pebble]

"rebuild our trust" duude that guilttrip tho

[strange python]

Rae don’t pretend like you’ll be playing sub in 9.0.5

[shy dust]

Sim check.

[spice spire]

Wait so I can keep NF until I turn the stupid quests in?

[manic harness]

Lol

[shy dust]

And yeah yeah Ima be playing sin

[stoic needle]

PTR sim check.

[manic harness]

Didn't Sub sim as the best melee?

[young pebble]

"our soulbinds and abilities arent as good as the other covs but it's still your fault for leaving"

[shy dust]

Do I have to send you a gif of me deleting a 233 weapon

[manic harness]

Then turned out to be the absolute bottom?

[stoic needle]

nah sin sims better now

[stoic needle]

excuse me what

[boreal kettle]

idk what crack those preraid sims were on

[shy dust]

You heard me

[stoic needle]

[young pebble]

Turns out CN doesn't really have many patchwerk fights

[stoic needle]

Deleting a 233 weapon?????????

[young pebble]

And lots of fights have mechanics that punish sub hard

[shy dust]

When you have 3 yes

[stoic needle]

well the thing is sin got 20% of aura buffs

and sub got nothing

[shy dust]

And sub simmed very high but then over time. Some changes to specs rose

And in practically sub was not the best with fight designs

[stoic needle]

and sin got legendary buffs

[shy dust]

A spec that cannot cleave will not look good in a cleave heavy raid

[stoic needle]

and sub's legendary buffs are meh

[strange python]

9.1

[stoic needle]

dont worry boys we'll get some cracked out borrowed power in 9.1 and all the rogue specs will be fine

[split veldt]

whats the range on theos parasol

[stoic needle]

oshostradamus predicts

[manic harness]

Donger range

[strange python]

Theotar’s umbrella is decent range

[shy dust]

Are you venthyr already DK

[split veldt]

like if it procs on a trash pack do i need to even worry about where it is

[strange python]

Will be switching tonight

[shy dust]

[solar flicker]

[shy dust]

I probably switch Monday and just farm

[strange python]

Homecoming baby

[solar flicker]

Balls of steel not afraid of nerfs

[strange python]

I mean

[solar flicker]

deepfuckingvalue right there

[strange python]

If they nerf

[stoic needle]

you should teach your tank to kite enemies through it so you can maximize uptime on it

[strange python]

I just switch back

[solar flicker]

isnt there a 2 week cd

[strange python]

No cd

[split veldt]

can the tanks see it?

[solar flicker]

wait what

[strange python]

Just stupid quests

[stoic needle]

ye

[strange python]

You just complete the quests

[stoic needle]

well the quests are timegated

[solar flicker]

is that new?

[stoic needle]

you can only do 1/week

[strange python]

Nah

[split veldt]

well alright then

[solar flicker]

I swore there was a timegate to swapping back

[strange python]

We thing is oshosi

[solar flicker]

since ur cov gets pissed

[strange python]

I can swap now

And probably start return to nf

If i wanted

[stoic needle]

true

[solar flicker]

do u keep all ur renown too?

[strange python]

Unless thats not how it works

[stoic needle]

yeah you do

[strange python]

Yes

[stoic needle]

you can start the return yeah

[solar flicker]

bro im swapping today then tf

[strange python]

Switching is a mega joke

[solar flicker]

whats the hold up gentlemen

[stoic needle]

its push week

[solar flicker]

sip

[stoic needle]

fuck i look like pushing with current flag

[strange python]

Push week

M+

[stoic needle]

M+ is unironically fun don't @ me

[solar flicker]

I don’t need optimized cov for plaguefall 15 farming

[strange python]

Nah i dont fuck with sl sungeons

[spice spire]

@stoic needle

[stoic needle]

this is my first expansion seriously doing m+ so

i have no reference point

[slender trail]

is there a way to cheat renown on ptr (like anima, honor points, etc)

[stoic needle]

no i dont think so

[strange python]

So is doomblade just the sauce now assa savants

My 40 apm brethren

[stoic needle]

yep

if you want to be a zoomer you can run nadjia dashing duelist vigor

54 apm

[manic harness]

Guess I can make a 190 doomblsde to start out, even though I have a 235 zol

[stoic needle]

the real question

do i recraft my haste/vers doomblade gloves as haste/mastery or crit/mastery for the memes

[strange python]

54 apm

Why would you do that

[stoic needle]

idk some weird zoomers cant stand sin being slow

[split veldt]

dauntless duelist or exacting prep?

[solar flicker]

feelsbad that i had to blow my whole bag of ash on zold for sire

[split veldt]

ur blowing it for M+ too

[stoic needle]

dauntless

[split veldt]

damn prep sounded cool

[stoic needle]

i will have sims soon ™️

[solar flicker]

m+ I have celerity

[shy dust]

did you craft it

at 235?

[solar flicker]

nah r3

220

[stoic needle]

imagine not having r4 z ldyck already

[strange python]

Yea i have a r4 finality

Which is dead in my bag

Thank you blizzard

[subtle tundra]

killed sire with r3 🙂

[stoic needle]

i just like to meme on all the sin converts

[solar flicker]

yeah a couple did lol

[stoic needle]

it's my right that I earned from playing sin since before the first aura buff

[solar flicker]

i just didnt have the ash for r4 since it was like my 5th leggo and i skipped a week or 2

[shy dust]

These arent sin converts

Sin is usually

the most popular rogue spec

lmao

it was just undertuned as shit

[subtle tundra]

i played sin whole bfa i aint no convert

[solar flicker]

am i a convert if i played sin last tier

[subtle tundra]

i played what was good at the start since my guild raids mythic and didnt want to play whats bad

[strange python]

Im making r4 doomblade fukkit

[shy dust]

sin is bad for a whole half tier

and now people are converts

[solar flicker]

buff sub 🙂

[strange python]

Yes

Please god

[stoic needle]

buff rogue*

[split veldt]

about to raid finder for renown, with current flag

im scared

[spice spire]

Yikes

[split veldt]

and only 7 renown currently

[candid token]

Is there a Raidbots thingy for the BiS gear n' stuff with Sin somewhere to look at?

[split veldt]

loololol here we go

[stoic needle]

i didn't play at all in bfa so i don't know the history

[livid thistle]

assa gonne be atleast top 5 dmg in 9.0.5 you guys think?

[stoic needle]

dunno tbh

[split veldt]

it's gotta at least move to middle of the pack

[stoic needle]

i'm going to sim sin against the other classes later

[split veldt]

with oulaw

[shy dust]

sin was basically the de-facto raid spec for all of bfa

[raven egret]

Nop, not for Zul in uldir

[teal bloom]

Uldir PepeLaugh

[raven egret]

HA

[solar flicker]

1 boss

[shy dust]

Sub and Sin were relatively close for uldir

outside of sub damage profile for 1 boss

and funneling zul

[hollow barn]

Sub had funnel on zekvos too

[solar flicker]

i was playing arms and i wasnt allowed to aoe on zul

that shit was infuriating

[spice spire]

Sub bois really have it bad though. It’s an absolute tragedy

[solar flicker]

yeah im a zoomer so i wasn’t in the trenches

[spice spire]

Get nerfed to bottom of tier, it’s bfa again

[solar flicker]

but historically theyve gotten shafted

[hollow barn]

Bring back DFA for sub

then we talking

[vast pond]

Sub/Sin in Legion, Ratlaw pretty much all BFA (minus 8.3). I just want to play something different for a bit.

[manic harness]

Dude if I had a genie with 1 wish left

[balmy condor]

No

[stoic needle]

1 more day until sinrunner blanchy

venthyr bis on tuesday

all is right with the world

[manic harness]

I wouldn't cure cancer or solve world hunger

[vast pond]

meme ratlaw SnD build a bit in legion

[stoic needle]

[manic harness]

I'd wish to be the rogue dev so I could fix this shit

[karmic crystal]

how would you fix it

answer wisely or im shooting the genie

[candid token]

How do I put Raidbots on 9.0.5 mode so I can sim stuff?

[manic harness]

To start, 15% base movement speed for all rogues at all times

We are fucking Nina's and supposed to be fast

[stoic needle]

we have that already

[manic harness]

Ninjas*

[hollow barn]

"fleet Footed"

[manic harness]

All specs boys

[karmic crystal]

but how can we be both

[hollow barn]

they all have it

[karmic crystal]

ninjas and pirates

[balmy condor]

Only available in advanced sim using ptr=1 at the top

[hollow barn]

it's base rogue spell

[stoic needle]

every spec has that

[manic harness]

See? Wish accomplished

[hollow barn]

good start to your fix

[karmic crystal]

well the genie is dead

[candid token]

Ah allrighty, big thanks ^-^

[hollow barn]

maybe you are the current dev

[karmic crystal]

sorry guys

[manic harness]

Lmao

[karmic crystal]

lunar made me do it

nobody gets to be rogue dev now

[stoic needle]

imagine thinking we have a rogue dev

[hollow barn]

truuuuue

[dull cargo]

Hello, I'm new here and just wanted to ask. Probably several people have asked, but is Ventry now Meta for Assa Rogue and Doomblade for ST? I am now NF but does the one who are now sin?

[worldly bridge]

wait wait, 9.0.5 is released on tuesday ?

[manic harness]

Yes to both

Yes

[spice spire]

Next Tuesday

[shy dust]

@balmy condor

?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[fickle herald]

Assa is looking like the strongest rogue spec now right for ST atleast?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[manic harness]

Yes

[worldly bridge]

ima fuck up my guild progress i guess xD

[fickle herald]

BIG

[shy dust]

Whispyr probably euphoric

to be able to answer yes to that

[fickle herald]

Do we just full send venthyr aswell

[solar flicker]

🍷 This was definitely aged in oak

[slow tulip]

as an assa main since TBC im hyped again 😮

also venthyr with the red bakc daggers

P O G

[solar flicker]

than ven back is fire

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/U2jH0Gi.png

lul

[dull cargo]

so 190 Domblade better then zodic on 235?:X

[balmy condor]

I woke up to new record on pings today, 37

[strange python]

I AM A GRAY PARSER!!!!!

[balmy condor]

Pretty sick

[stoic needle]

probably not

[manic harness]

No?

[worldly bridge]

Sooo it means ppl have simmed new necro stuff ?

[stoic needle]

just wait until tuesday

[sullen pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/OiuwE1W.png first 2 emissaries as venthyr 2x 200 ilvl conduit lol, ez pvp abuse next week

[fickle herald]

heres another one 😄 @balmy condor

[spice spire]

Oh no.

[dark token]

Hmm doomblade or Zoldyck

[balmy condor]

All in the pins

[manic harness]

@balmy condor you are the best, that's why

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

the better question is: do i upgrade my haste/vers doomblade to 235 or recraft it as crit/mastery

[raven egret]

RIP thought cant go Assass with my kyrian rogue -_-

[balmy condor]

Not one of them was for sub

[shy dust]

[chrome mirage]

So if my guild isn't anywhere close to progging M Sire, should I just go Doomblade on tuesday?

[manic harness]

Probably

[dark token]

Yeah I think I might bring sin to sire so Zoldyck it is ig

[balmy condor]

I would

[violet wasp]

I made a 235 doomblade for pvp w vers+haste is still good for pve?

[stoic needle]

yes

[spice spire]

What content do you do?
General PvE: Zoldyck’s and MA are good
ST: Doomblade and Dashinf both v good
PvP: MA or even Doomblade

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ripe gulch]

@balmy condor

venth or necro?

[balmy condor]

Venth

[violet wasp]

Nice! ty guys

[stoic needle]

do you want to be stinky or do you want to be stylish

[chrome mirage]

[stoic needle]

the choice is yours

[spice spire]

But science

[trim zinc]

POG

[dull cargo]

so Venthry are good for M+ Too or Just better on ST?

[balmy condor]

Both

[dull cargo]

ah okay

[ripe gulch]

good for both

[dull cargo]

better then NF?^^

[balmy condor]

There’s like a billion pins

You can see the numbers yourself

[stoic needle]

imagine using my own brain to make decisions

[dull cargo]

ah thx Sry dude :>

[gentle gyro]

[fleet whale]

Venthyr sin is looking pretty juicy

[teal bloom]

Stone harder than head 😦

[fleet whale]

i was venth at the launch, so i atleast have some mirrors lol

[fickle herald]

Am I ?

[astral plover]

Yes Dronie

[split veldt]

ONE RF BOSS DOWN ONE RENOWN GAINED LETS KEEP UP THE PACE

[astral plover]

Im renown 15 without doin any campain today.

[wide ridge]

does campaign quest give renown?

[fleet whale]

but since i was venthyr at launch and swapped to NF

[wide ridge]

it doesnt right

[fleet whale]

doesn't that mean i have to wait a little bit?

[astral plover]

It does

[wide ridge]

the actual campaign ones?

[split veldt]

i think it gives a few

[balmy condor]

Yes

[wide ridge]

sheeeeeeeeeeeesh

[balmy condor]

Each week of the campaign quest gives 1

[wide ridge]

holy guacamole

so i'm 3/9 campaign

meaning i have 6 renown left to get from campaign?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[fleet whale]

those sin sims with Venthyr... that puts sin up there for ST sims right? like in all of wow

[wide ridge]

pog moment

ty

[balmy condor]

It still gets smashed by things like shadow and stuff, but it’s up there, yeah

[little moth]

i mean rogue has simmed well all xpac

doesn't translate 1:1 in raid

[balmy condor]

[brittle vigil]

Idk if most sims are 229 ilvl

[fleet whale]

rogues def did not sim well in SL

[balmy condor]

Rogue simming well all expansion

[fleet anchor]

Keep in mind that almost the entire advantage of Venthyr over NF atm is coming from Lashing Scars just being flat better than the other Assassination Conduits, so it's "free damage"

[balmy condor]

Oh man

[candid token]

Just double checking before I make a giant fuckup, Doomblade on hands with Crit-Haste yas?

[balmy condor]

That’s a good one

[balmy condor]

Yeah sounds fine

[candid token]

Sweet, thanks knower of all things

[fleet anchor]

If Lashing Scars ever gets re-balanced to the same budget as the other conduits, or you aren't using Lashing Scars for some reason, effectively it's equal to NF

[balmy condor]

Well, the conduit is most of the gain for sub, but on sin it seems to just be a gain without it

[fleet anchor]

Or if any of our other Conduits get buffed

[balmy condor]

My original sims before these had venthyr like 1-1.5% ahead, without lashing

[split veldt]

flag is also good tho, and honestly i dont care about switching covs, it's not that ahrd

[fleet anchor]

I dunno with my gear the two specs were literally within 0.1%

With optimal setups

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s what I saw in sub

[fleet anchor]

When using Shiv conduit

[balmy condor]

But it seemed ahead for me in sin

Both with bis, and my profile and like a 210 profile

[fleet whale]

I could see lashing getting some pvp nerfs, but we'll see

[wide ridge]

venthr mog = bis tho

[fleet whale]

and blizz can tune pvp separately anyway

[worldly bridge]

woudldnt it be better to do Haste / Vers ? Since Vers >= Crit AND much better for PvP ?

[fleet anchor]

I'm actually also surprised your Necrolord sim is so close to NF, because that's not what I was seeing for ST at all

[dark token]

Hmm venthyr sin looks juicy but speaking strictly for sire prog I think necrolord sin + Zoldyck is stronger probably eh

[candid token]

I dunno 0,o

[balmy condor]

Fuu was surprised as well, but the sim looked perfectly fine

I didn’t see anything odd

[fleet anchor]

Send me the link, I'll take a look if anything jumps out

[balmy condor]

The ST stuff is doomblade

So maybe that?

[fleet anchor]

I was looking with Doomblade also

[balmy condor]

Yeh give me a second to roll out of bed

[fleet anchor]

Still was like 1% behind for me

[fickle herald]

Whispyr how long is the aoe sims? 5min?

[fleet anchor]

Although realistically

Necro is still effectively behind on any fight you'd run Zoldyck for, if that's with Doomblade

But still just curious about those results in particular since they looked a fair bit different than mine

[balmy condor]

I think so

[fickle herald]

Hmm, any idea on how it compares to outlaw in M+

I assume outlaw is still going to be king in M+ no

[soft shale]

outlaw with necro is going to get further than it is now

[slender urchin]

Is raidbots updated for 905?

[fleet anchor]

Outlaw Necro probably will dominate AoE due to the Flurry mechanics on the massively buffed DD portion

Until they nerf it lol

Curious if the devs actually remembered that part of the damage Blade Flurried

[subtle kiln]

no need to remind them

[mighty owl]

shhhhh

[inner granite]

Outlaw in dungeon slice is @ 8068 dps with current necro buffs

[tight ravine]

soulbinds!

[inner granite]

Sin is @ 7686 with current venthyr buffs

[tight ravine]

that's kinda nice

[fleet anchor]

Optimal dungeon play for Necro will require a lot of sniping though

[tight ravine]

for sin, who would be the good soulbind

[fleet anchor]

Which is fine, but given that so many people didn't even play snipe builds in BfA when they were strong

[tight ravine]

as ven

[fleet anchor]

We'll see

[kindred crescent]

Is venthyr gunna be bis or necrolord. I am currently night fae

[subtle kiln]

still pushback on mfd

can’t imagine sbs being different

[fathom swift]

whats the cd on venthyr ability now?

[fleet anchor]

I'll actually die of laughter if all the people who complained that Reaping Flames was too hard, pad, too much micro, etc.

All swap to Necro for M+

🤣

[balmy condor]

1:30

[inner granite]

Venthyr will be BiS for sin, if you wanted to play sin / outlaw I’d bet on necro being a good choice.

[fathom swift]

oof

[fleet anchor]

Because basically the reason Necro is good in DSlice is the same reason Reaping Flames was

[subtle kiln]

RF an RC was fun to me

[fleet anchor]

I mean I loved Reaping Flames

But tons of people told me it was terrible/impractical/too much micro 😄

[subtle kiln]

wrong channel but did you run lashing setup with ks/ma? guy just simp celery

[fleet anchor]

The huge instant damage + resets definitely means Necro will be a Reaping Flames kind of playstyle in M+

For all specs

Just Outlaw gains the most since it also flurries that part

If you aren't sniping resets and managing cooldowns, Necro performance won't be very high in M+

So just something to keep in mind playstyle-wise

[simple kettle]

@fleet anchor do u think that Necro simmings are wrong?

[fleet anchor]

No I don't think it's "wrong", just pointing out some playstyle differences. Not everyone is willing to AoE mouseover snipe.

[simple kettle]

I mean, for me its sounds weird to be better than fae in ST

[fleet anchor]

But I do think them being so close on ST might be some setup-specific issue.

Either way they will be close enough it won't matter

Mostly just a curiosity

As long as you aren't Kyrian, you're fine as Assassination 😛

[simple kettle]

xDD

[mighty owl]

[simple wadi]

So Fae/venth/necro all roughly equal (different strengths) if you multispec outlaw/sin?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[simple kettle]

I just swap from fae to necro but I dont know if gonna be worth or close to fae

[simple wadi]

Thanks - don’t think I can pass up that venth burst but saying bye to nf blink make me sad

[lean fossil]

so if you only wanna play sin whats the move, currently nf

[cursive widget]

Just asking before I make the jump. I've never changed covenants before. Do i keep all of my conduits when I switch?

[simple kettle]

yes

[undone scroll]

play what you want

they are pretty close

[simple kettle]

the only thing u have to do is all the renown

and the table

[simple kettle]

for only assa u should go venthyr

[gentle gyro]

also the covenant-specific conduit

[simple kettle]

but if u are good being fae just stay there

[lean fossil]

thats the move im making then haha i cant stand outlaw and i feel meh about sub

[cursive widget]

and also what's the move for pvp covenant wise?

[lean fossil]

from the sims venth looks what about 300 dps higher than nf?

sorry a little under 200

[simple kettle]

Yes, but is not only about 200 dps, is about Haste and conduits and soulbinds

and ofc the covenant ability

[fleet anchor]

I mean that's 200 dps with omega bis gear, will obviously be less at normal gear levels

It's between 1-2% with typical setups, whatever that maps to

[lean fossil]

ahhh

[fleet anchor]

Probably with most typical gear that maps to closer to 90-110 dps

[lean fossil]

maybe ill just make doomblade and try that out lol

[simple kettle]

btw is SBS counting in doomblade?

so we gonna get 20% more dmg evenoms if necro?

[gentle gyro]

yep

but still sims lower than venthyr

[simple kettle]

yeah, but for me is fun to play with SBS instead of a 1.5 min ability

and It does 3k initial dmg now and gives u 2 cp every 30 sec / 3 charges.

for me its sounds good xD

[stoic needle]

it is quite good

20% more damage envenoms with doomblade

[bold hearth]

Curious what stat priority looks like with Venthyr/Lashing, I'm assuming haste loses some value?

[stoic needle]

not really

covenants don't really change stat prios

[simple kettle]

Sim yoursefl when 9.0.5, Ill do that coz If vers gets value ill start doing pvp

[viral kite]

necro looking pretty strong for sin along with venth?

foreverguy mentioned in the outlaw channel that the apl is only gonna improve for necro which will likely make it even better, is that hte case here too?

[simple kettle]

yes but with specific build, looks like Doomblade is bis for necro

[fleet anchor]

Maybe. But possibly not really much more to gain here. Not as much synergy in AoE for Assassination.

[viral kite]

Gotcha, thank you

[fleet anchor]

DD portion Blade Flurrying is the big gain for Outlaw

[balmy condor]

Single Target Covenant Comparison:
Sims run with highest simming combination (Blindside + Master assassin + deeper). Doomblade on hands, full BiS. Venthyr profile does use lashing scars.

[viral kite]

right, makes total sense

thank you!

[pseudo pilot]

whats DD?

[bleak sedge]

What covenant are yall going for? Im between necro and venthyr

[viral kite]

direct dmg

[fleet anchor]

We figured out the difference in the profiles. 😄

NF profile just needed a talent tweak

[simple kettle]

it's still close enough to NF

[vast pond]

So NF is using DS now?

[hollow robin]

Would the list be similar with zoldycks instead of doomblade?

[fleet anchor]

DS requires a specific gear level

Generally speaking

[balmy condor]

khispyama? Kojispyr?

[fleet anchor]

The T26 profiles meet that

Yours may not yet

Just have to sim it

For my gear, Vigor is still better

[mental laurel]

Are sims updated with 9.0.5 data?

[vast pond]

I'll test the advance sim now

[soft shale]

so only the big boys with all the 233 pieces can enjoy that perk?

[balmy condor]

from what I've seen, deeper only starts to really pull ahead after like 225-ish

[soft shale]

oh so no need to go for 229

[balmy condor]

and it's significant for venthyr, so a little bit before on that

[fleet anchor]

Granted I haven't simmed my profile with ptr changes so

Maybe it'll be enough over

[balmy condor]

with venthyr, even my scrub as 219 gear sims noticably higher with deeper

for what its worth

[cunning surge]

I guess I should prob ask since I've had just pants for Zoldyck
Hands or Shoulders for DB?

[fleet anchor]

The threshold is a bit lower for PTR because of CttC

[balmy condor]

usually safe bet to craft hands

[cunning surge]

Many thanks

[potent raft]

i am a bit late in on the show
is there something definitive coming out of the buffs?

Do we switch out from Zoldyck for Doomblade or is it situational
as a venthyr myself, Lashing Scars is now on the menu for a viable(bis?) conduit?

or all my questions can be answered by - is raidbots accounting for the changes yet 😄

[balmy condor]

all the pins are 9.0.5

[balmy condor]

using ptr=1 in advanced sims only

[mental laurel]

I just mean for simming myself. Good to know about ptr=1

[potent raft]

never got around to learning how advanced sims work.. today might be the day

[soft shale]

im actually curious how far are doomblade from zoldyck on venthyr?

[visual lake]

Testing necro on ptr is so frustrating cause bone spike just keeps on ticking on every target you've hit. Need to keep swapping dummys 😅

[balmy condor]

if only there's a pin that has that data

[mental laurel]

Dummies don't work properly with SBS. That was my frustration testing

[bleak sedge]

Do you think necro is competetive? Im NF atm

[balmy condor]

yes

[visual lake]

yeah the combo points are all over the place depending on what ones you hit

[bleak sedge]

I really like the ability but im afraid venthyr is way better

[pseudo pilot]

necro is better at 3+ sustain cleave right

[soft shale]

oh it was on the 3rd one

[strange python]

!bis

[soft shale]

lul deathly shadows not even there and dust with that sweet 1%

[balmy condor]

doesn't exist anymore

[strange python]

is there a best in slot list for assa rog?

[balmy condor]

well it exists

I'm just not sharing

[soft shale]

people just do not understand that bis is when you have everything together

so salt was given

it made more questions than answers

[potent raft]

if you ever put a bis list, make sure you use an alias so no one can spam you on PMs 😄

[worn path]

just show them the scatter plot on bloodmallet

[balmy condor]

the !bis command worked up until like 2 weeks ago when I removed it again

[undone scroll]

y

[balmy condor]

people started using it to make gearing decisions

which is omega troll

so it started hurting more than helping

and when something does that, we remove

[undone scroll]

im confused

why wouldnt you use it for bis

[cunning surge]

You gotta Sim yoself to see what's really BiS for YOU

[balmy condor]

because a bis list doesn't influence what you pick from a vault, or what dungeon you spam

because that's not how any of this works

[potent raft]

small question on advanced sims
if i am to run a top gear sim, copy the raw simc from the result , shove that into advanced sim and set ptr=1
would it work?

[cunning surge]

Things will differ between each ilvl of thing also on that note

[balmy condor]

would have to be ptr=1 at the top, but it should technically work, yeah

bout 1% worse

[potent raft]

thanks

[vast pond]

NF with vigor: 6424
NF with DS: 6470
😦 Think I'll stick with vigor for now though

[bold hearth]

This is how I'm currently running sims so I don't have to go and find all the spell/item IDs

[balmy condor]

yes

[tribal marlin]

idk you can test ! I don't think Light Movement has a big impact on sims. It's more relevant whith Heavy Movement. But keep in mind heavy movement is not common encounters.

[cunning surge]

Yeah I'd prob still use Vigor even in that situation, less likely to overcap

[undone scroll]

When you seem and get your dps off patchwork, is that the sustained damage you should be able to maintain on a dummy with out it dropping

[balmy condor]

there's a target dummy fight type to sim that

it disables raid buffs and all that stuff

[undone scroll]

im just curious i wanna see how well i am doing and w3as never sure if that was accurate to test it that weay

[balmy condor]

patchwerk is a no movement raid boss

[potent raft]

is Theotar suddenly better because of the vers buff aligning with the haste buff from flaggelation?

[fleet anchor]

BiS is whatever drops from your weekly cache that sims higher

BiS is whatever drops from your weekly cache that sims higher PvP gear because it's easy to get

🤣

[balmy condor]

theotar was always pretty good

[undone scroll]

ok so if i sim with the target dummy then i should be able to maintain that dps on a target dummy and if not im doing something wrong correct?

[potent raft]

havent checked in a while but i thought nadja's 3% flat increase was bis before

[balmy condor]

it is single target

and not bad in aoe

but theotar is slightly better in aoe

[balmy condor]

yeah, should be able to get close to that

if you're like 50-100 under it, that's good enough tbh

[undone scroll]

ok thanks appreciate the info

[bold hearth]

There's no way to run stat weights for the PTR build right

[balmy condor]

not without a lot of custom lines that I'm too lazy to write out

stat weights are pretty much always a waste of time

so that's not worth my effort

[bold hearth]

No worries, been just replacing all my gems and seeing dps diffs.

[balmy condor]

probably super minimal

[bold hearth]

I know it's going to change depending on gear, was just trying to see if Haste is still going to be the top stat.

Was a 50 dps swing going from full Haste or Crit to full Vers.

[balmy condor]

that seems kind of insane

just from gems?

[bold hearth]

From 6 yea.

[tribal marlin]

calculate_scale_factors=1

[vast pond]

Were you using outdated stat weights?

[bold hearth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4pciJtiCc9VzJvWgcWk7aY/simc : Haste
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b4AuQVcpuBCNQyPJP6bGk4/simc : Vers

[vast pond]

Seems like a huge swing

[tribal marlin]

But keep in mind that stat scale is "almost" a waste of time as whispyr said

[balmy condor]

that would mean that 6 gems is 80 stat, full haste or crit versus vers would have to be crazy different

[tribal marlin]

only good to "maybe" see if one stat in particular is really bad

[bold hearth]

Maybe something got copied over wrong.

[balmy condor]

wait holy shit that's 1000 vers

lmaoooooooo

[lean fossil]

only 6 gems

i want those gems haha

[balmy condor]

well if the shift is vers -> haste is +50, with that much vers

I can sorta understand

that's fucking nuts

[bold hearth]

Yea I mean my gear is almost purely PvP considering how good it was for Sub.

Looks like I need a full new set of gear lol

[wild edge]

I simm more with Doomblade, should I still pick Zoldyck?

[lapis jungle]

Herbs or burrs in raid? Both sim kinda the same lul

[vast pond]

Depends?

[balmy condor]

if they sim the same, take herbs, it's more consistent

[balmy condor]

Zold would still be the pick on something like sire where execute is important

but otherwise, doomblade is pretty sick

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor guide me sensei do I go back to the emo vamp boys or just stay an owlboy?

[lapis jungle]

47 dps difference when I simmed again. With burrs in the lead that is

[gusty mirage]

I may have yoo’d my last hoo

[balmy condor]

that sounds better

[wild edge]

@balmy condor Okay what do you think for 9.0.5 still Zoldyck in these execute fights?

[balmy condor]

venthyr, kyrian sucky sucky

[lapis jungle]

Going with burrs then. Ty

[gusty mirage]

Ty sir

[bold hearth]

Oddly enough Mastery is also really bad for my sims @balmy condor also a 50 dps swing.

[tight ravine]

holy crap nadjia's

[balmy condor]

yeh, happens

[tight ravine]

interrupt snare and root sorry oops I thought stuns

[bold hearth]

Haste and crit are within 2 dps of each other though

[lean fossil]

so i got the 226 battery, when i use it my haste is like 47%. if i went venth im guessing that would really down play that trinket right?

[balmy condor]

it's possible, depending on how that affects your haste value at that time

animacharged battery is already a pretty meh trinket though tbh

[lean fossil]

ive had the worst trinket luck this tier lol

cant wait for next week so i can spam plaguefall and get a new trinket lol

[reef axle]

I mean, technically, venthyrs do the sucky sucky?

[tribal marlin]

when calculating scale factors, unless there is a high difference like 20-25% difference between two stat, it's mostly pointless to try to conclude anything

[silk wadi]

Btw, is the RH Guide still accurate? Thus, the following rotation still valid?

Master Assassin talented

Mutilate
Potion
Slice and Dice
Mutilate
Garrote
Mutilate if less than 4 combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Shiv
Vanish
Ambush
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom

[balmy condor]

Yes

Well

Except the ambush part

Is that still in there?

[bold hearth]

@balmy condor Are you able to link the full report for the highest sim combo in the pin? Curious what the optimal secondary stat distribution is.

[silk wadi]

Ok, this was confusing me since you guys mentioned ambush is not worth at all (only if free), thanks 🙂

[balmy condor]

It is for that reason that I will not link it

[silk wadi]

Yes, I just copied it from there, but it says 14th Jan 2020, so rather old I guess 😉

[balmy condor]

@warm parcel

[tribal marlin]

I mean, if you want to compute "optimal secondary stat distribution" you gotta do it well, using reforge_plot and stuff

things that you can't really do easily

[balmy condor]

There’s also like 35 different profiles that are sidegrades

[tribal marlin]

Bloodmallet often use to publish some printed reforge_plots

but they not always use optimal profile unfortunately

Like their current public reforge plot is using Pelagos and Subterfuge in ST for example

[simple kettle]

Is better the wounds change than the 10% energy regen that SND give now?

[bold hearth]

No worries, I'll just wait till Tuesday to run some Droptimizer sims then.

[gusty mirage]

Tbh the change just made snd even more awkward of a maintenance buff for assa

[balmy condor]

It’s equal in single target

[simple kettle]

so we're gonna have the same energy regen that we have now

[balmy condor]

Yup

[tribal marlin]

https://i.imgur.com/MO6zmu4.png
looks like this with current bis profile. But only informations you can get out of it is like "Mastery is bad" or "Haste is good for necro"

[balmy condor]

It’s more energy in aoe tho

[simple kettle]

and they fixed CT with alacrity so maybe more than that

[tribal marlin]

you can't and should never conclude "ok Haste is 0.05 better than versa so I will full stack haste". Scale factor does not work this way because they have a part of innacuratie

[tight ravine]

weights imply a balance

in this case

[frozen karma]

if I switch right now and play a decent amount I should be back to 34ish renown for tuesday right?

[bold hearth]

Yea I wouldn't go off of the stat weights. Any upgrades over my current gear are going to be differing stats rather than ilvl increases, which is why I was curious to see the raw stat distribution on the bis profile.

[balmy condor]

Depends

[gusty mirage]

That’s a shit ton of dungeons to do man lol

[balmy condor]

If you hard grind only renown

Then maybe

[bold hearth]

But honestly the droptimizer will point me in the right direction as well.

[balmy condor]

And it’ll do it better probably

[bold hearth]

Probably.

[bold hearth]

If you haven't done any renown stuff yet this week you get a good headstart. Swapped today and am already 13 without doing any dungeons/raids/pvp.

[severe steppe]

@balmy condor sorry to bug, if I'm reading sims right, Assassination is now top for ST and AoE?

[simple kettle]

Maybe im simming wrong coz im new at this of advance simming. But, why is SBS doing that little dmg? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nJAB8ZU5uQ4NmuDVmWfsjR/simc

[balmy condor]

I’m pretty sure outlaw still wins in aoe

[gusty mirage]

But assa’s back in the throne for ST damage and it feels good

[severe steppe]

sorry I should have said "cleave fights"

[balmy condor]

Not sure, I’d have to look at the import you used

[tired citrus]

so next week venthyr for both assas and sub? doomblade overall better than zoldycks except heavy execute?

[balmy condor]

Then definitely outlaw

[tribal marlin]

It does normal damage

[severe steppe]

Wait I'm confused. I'm looking at the outlaw numbers and I'm seeing for a 3 target fight 2min, outlaw is 11.1k whereas ass is 11.2k?

[balmy condor]

Nah that sim definitely looks weird

[queen galleon]

I have to learn assa just for one boss : sludgefist mm

is it harder than sub or outlaw?

[tribal marlin]

looks like initial SBS damage is incorrectly calculated

[balmy condor]

Different fight lengths, my sims are using a BiS set, outlaw’s is using guy’s personal set

[tribal marlin]

Are you sure you are using Nightly build for Raidbot ?

[tender fjord]

Assa is pretty straightforward and forgiving

[queen galleon]

that's kinda pog

tbh

[sleek sparrow]

Can you get catchup renown from world quests

[balmy condor]

Much easier

[severe steppe]

Ahhhh ok ok thanks

[balmy condor]

Callings, not quests

[tribal marlin]

@simple kettle looks like you are using Weekly build insteed of Nightly such that SBS change are not in your sims

[severe steppe]

You can roughly hit max renown in a week or two

[sleek sparrow]

K that's what I thought, wondering how homeboy got 13 without doing any dungeons or raids lol

[opaque sparrow]

@tribal marlin is SBS being stronger than expected?

[slender berry]

does zoldyck scale sbs dot dmg ?

[balmy condor]

Drops from pvp as well as all the campaign stuff

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Pins are accurate, he just simmed it wrong

[sleek sparrow]

Campaign is only like 8 right

[balmy condor]

9 I think

[opaque sparrow]

kk

[balmy condor]

Maybe 10?

[simple kettle]

Oh, okey thank u I'll try in nightly

[spice spire]

It’s 9, you were right

[warm parcel]

Chief

Rh.net has been giving me the 404 for days now

[balmy condor]

Oh yikes

That’s uh

[warm parcel]

I cant login

[balmy condor]

Not good

[tender fjord]

Would someone be friendly and link me the bis list? My vault slots are similar upgrades but for different slots

[gusty mirage]

Tell us when to grab the pitchforks and start the rebellion

[bold hearth]

3 renown from 3 callings, 1 from world boss, 1 from anima, 3 from campaign quests, 1 from souls.

[limber lion]

When was the last time the website was updated anyways?

[balmy condor]

I will not

[warm parcel]

Idno it just wont let me login to edit it out

[bold hearth]

Missing 2 that I can't remember.

[tender fjord]

😦 could you dm it 😝

[spice spire]

BiS list in sin chat

[gusty mirage]

Top gear on raidbots will tell you which one is best

[balmy condor]

I will not

[tender fjord]

Both are 5 dps apart

[gusty mirage]

Then just pick one

[tribal marlin]

what slots

[severe steppe]

@balmy condor can you just DM me (not about BiS) ;^)

[tender fjord]

Shoulder and chest

Am wondering because we are progging on HD

And that drops a awesome chest

[limber lion]

You just answered your own question

[gusty mirage]

There ya go. Pick shoulders then

[tender fjord]

We have been progging on HD for 3 weeks 😂

[gusty mirage]

This might be the week

Believe in your team damnit

[limber lion]

Oh boy

[tender fjord]

Tonight was not the night 😫

[gusty mirage]

There’s always next week then!

[sleek sparrow]

Spent the morning punishing myself doing lfr for renown and met 4 other rogues all covenant swapping too

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

Lfr about to be so rogue heavy

[balmy condor]

I need to do my lfr’s soon too

[spice spire]

0 utility lfr

[sleek sparrow]

2 going necro 2 going venthyr

[tender fjord]

Still gonna craft Doomblade as well, was thinking about crafting it on shoulders as i cannot find proper shoulders anywhere

[balmy condor]

So if you see me on horde NA say hi

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but 10 shrouds are WORTH

[severe steppe]

Did you swap Whispyr?

[balmy condor]

I did

[tender fjord]

Was curious to what was on the list for shoulders 😢

[gusty mirage]

If I see you on horde NA I’m going to simp for you in game

[tame lake]

Is septic shock or well placed steel stronger?

[ionic fox]

What did you swap to Whisp?

[balmy condor]

Stone legion drops 233 shoulders, which is an auto-win

[balmy condor]

Wps usually

[spice spire]

0% chance that boss will see you before you fucking get ‘em

[balmy condor]

Venthyr

[bold hearth]

Anyone know off the top of their head if renown drops from raid share between difficulty?

[limber lion]

I swapped today and I'm renown 20. Legit takes a day or two to get 30.

[gusty mirage]

Just shroud the whole fuckin room

[severe steppe]

yea it's really easy

[balmy condor]

If you can drop gear from the boss, you can drop renown

[thorny pond]

SBS Doomblade High Mastery meme build?

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

If I knew the renown grinding takes two days, I would have just waited until Monday

[tender fjord]

One day I’ll get them...

[balmy condor]

Oshosi starting to make people go nuts

Mastery nonsense

[gusty mirage]

It can take 2 days, or it can take like 5-7

[bold hearth]

So you can full clear LFR, Normal, Heroic, then Mythic for 40 chances?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

[bold hearth]

Oh wow, figured they would share lockouts, but couldn't find any official statement on it.

That will make this much easier.

[gusty mirage]

Do I just swap necro to avoid the 2 quests to swap back?

[sleek sparrow]

Suffered through 40min of denath LFR for no renown drop

Can't recommend

[limber lion]

Yeah, I did normal and lfr today and I got 13 renown drops.

[severe steppe]

LFR is maybe the worst way to get renown

[limber lion]

Actually, I'm stilling missing one LFR wing

[gusty mirage]

I found it easier than dungeon spamming tbh

[sleek sparrow]

^

[limber lion]

3 more bosses to go

[limber lion]

Big disagree. I oneshot all bosses on LFR

[spice spire]

Imagine dealing with current flag for five days LMAO

[sleek sparrow]

Considering I'm 14 renown now

[gusty mirage]

An entire wing can drop 3 renown (except for sire) and takes as long as a m0 unless you got a group of friends to faceroll

[limber lion]

We had basically 0 deaths on LFR Sire

[severe steppe]

that is not the experience I've had T_T

[plain jewel]

I was big brain and chose venthyr at start. Got 30 renown. Swapped to night fae. And now swapping back to venthyr lol

[gusty mirage]

Part of the fun is wiping on a sludge fist with no chains

[severe steppe]

Can you redo a wing to get renown even if you couldn't get loot?

[bold hearth]

Was actually considering this strat before the raid came out to prepare for covenant tuning lol.

[gusty mirage]

Unfortunately no 😦

[balmy condor]

No

[sleek sparrow]

Lol did sludge and the tanks instantly broke 2 pillars

[balmy condor]

It’s the same rules for renown than it is for gear

[gusty mirage]

#justlfrthings

[sleek sparrow]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

One tank managed to get all 4 in one stomp, I was genuinely impressed

[sleek sparrow]

[severe steppe]

If I make the swap to assassination, which leggo am I rolling?

[limber lion]

tiny toxic blade

[gusty mirage]

That’s next level positioning

[limber lion]

jk don't do that

Go big dick Doomblade

[stoic needle]

[severe steppe]

lolol

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle was summoned when I posted

[sleek sparrow]

Imagine if they spaced pillar enough that he could stomp in middle and it be safe

[stoic needle]

SOON ALL WILL BE FOLLOWERS OF THE CHURCH OF THE BIG D ENVENOM

[gusty mirage]

His kool aid senses started tingling

[severe steppe]

I hate assassination 😦

[gusty mirage]

WOAH

[severe steppe]

but I like big numbers more than I hate assassination

[limber lion]

Then don't play it?

Wtf

[severe steppe]

Big

numbers

[gusty mirage]

We were starting to be friends man, why do you gotta be like that @severe steppe

[severe steppe]

hahaha

[limber lion]

You want big numbers? Play a fucking boomkin

[stoic needle]

imagine hating the most chill spec in the game

[plain jewel]

I wish there was a high haste/mastery build so I can put ny bleeds on and afk

[sleek sparrow]

If you want big numbers why are you playing rogue

[gusty mirage]

I swear I’m developing carpal tunnel from outlaw

[stoic needle]

there is but it doesn't really change the way you play and it's suboptimal

[severe steppe]

I just feel like a monke hitting colored lights as they show up

[spice spire]

An actual question that sounds troll. But does going Necro affect mastery’s impact in any significant way. Ie. At some point could it be possible to actually have it be top stat? Or even affecting SbS it’s pretty

[ionic fox]

hah he said "suboptimal"

[tender fjord]

If you want big numbers you better buy a bigger monitor

[severe steppe]

I prefer subtlety 10/10 times but it just doesn't have the numbers

[limber lion]

rogue =/= big numbers

[gusty mirage]

Fits well with my brain, just like ww monk does

“Ooh shiny press now zug zug”

[spice spire]

Rogue = many many small numbers

[severe steppe]

lol

[sleek sparrow]

The only thing monks are pressing now is the F key

[balmy condor]

Pretty bad even with sbs, but it makes it a little better

[spice spire]

I figured but also wasn’t 100% sure, thanks!

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr will you shame me for simping if we end up in the same lfr?

I’ll be the rogue running in place because my ISP is a pile of shit

[balmy condor]

Only if you ask nicely

[spice spire]

I’ll shame you for s*mping if you end up in the same lfr

[stoic needle]

just wait until i get into a mythic guild and get all of the mythic haste and crit/mastery gear

[gusty mirage]

Just take my spot

[tribal marlin]

It barely give value to mastery. But it's still +20% damage to SBS dot with 0 mastery, so that's good

[limber lion]

We'll wait.

[spice spire]

Thank you as well

[gusty mirage]

We wipe 20 times on destroyer and one shot inerva and sun king. Explain pls

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

Sun king is cheese

Inerva? Got nothing buddy

[sleek sparrow]

Not killing each other is hard

[tired citrus]

so for us that are kyrian now we go venthyr for sub + assas next week? Doomblade overall better vs zoldycks?

[celest ruin]

his name is destoryer what did u expect

[gusty mirage]

This might be it. I think we all high key hate each other and the mean jokes just aren’t jokes

[sleek sparrow]

Never were

[gusty mirage]

He destroyed my faith in functioning brains

So well named blizz. Good job

[sleek sparrow]

I had to watch my friends guild progging on it

They had over 120 wipes

[gusty mirage]

[celest ruin]

do you guys think denathrius has a relationship with remornia

[sleek sparrow]

And kept dying to beams killing people

Then decided that they needed more healers

[gusty mirage]

If we died to the miasmas that’d be something, but we were dying to overlapping beams for like 30 pulls lmao

[sleek sparrow]

6 healed it, now decided that 6 healing is their only strat now

[spice spire]

Dog my friends guild had 170 wipes. 10 on inerva prog 12 on sun king

[gusty mirage]

I think half of them play first person or something

[sleek sparrow]

Needless to say they aren't killing sun king and he quickly found a better guild

[gusty mirage]

Sun king flopped on prog for us

[spice spire]

And maybe 30 on artificer?

[gusty mirage]

But we went destroyer -> inerva -> sun king

[sleek sparrow]

Weird

[gusty mirage]

Now artificer is up

Very weird lol

[sleek sparrow]

Everyone does diff orders lol

But I've never heard Darkvein 4th

[gusty mirage]

Council might be our ceiling tbh

[sleek sparrow]

Gigga Chad guild tbh

[spice spire]

It’s just right up the stairs 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I think we can kill artificer

[tight ravine]

@balmy condor I know this sounds annoying but it's kinda difficult to piece together both channels info -> so if I was gonna go sin/sub for pvp, I was gonna go ven. i'd raid on sin. we don't push content but I like doing well in raids. which soulbinds do you think would be okay for that combo?

[gusty mirage]

Esp when I’m a vamp boy again and full send assassination

[balmy condor]

The ones that sim highest

[sleek sparrow]

My guild went hungering>sks>artificer>darkvein

[queen galleon]

Just killed council yesterday, it's a fucking living nightmare

[sleek sparrow]

Council honestly wasn't that bad

[gusty mirage]

That fight on heroic went from “this is cool” to “this is miserable” really quick so I can only imagine lmao

[sleek sparrow]

Took my guild like 70 pulls? Most of which were dumb p1/2 mistakes

[spice spire]

Council seems like a hard stop for many guilds. While sludgy boi is just a gear check

Stone legion is

Uh.

[queen galleon]

Sludge seems fun to progress on

but stone legion is a big nono

[gusty mirage]

If we get council down I think sludge dies quick

[queen galleon]

I just don't wanna think about it

[sleek sparrow]

That's what we thought

[gusty mirage]

Quick being less than 80 pulls

[queen galleon]

Just gonna be a dirty casual and wait for the big nerfs to come in to down Legion

[slender berry]

class comp is a big one for sludge

[gusty mirage]

Is legion still bugged af?

[slender berry]

no

[gusty mirage]

That’s good at least

[spice spire]

It’s still a stupidly hard fight though. Which is extremely strange. It is stupid easy on every other difficulty

[trim zinc]

should i try to line thrill seeker and flag??

[balmy condor]

No

Don’t play around thrill seeker

Just let it happen

[tight ravine]

looks like nadjia sims higher for sin and theotar's good for pvp for sub

[balmy condor]

That’s what I found as well

[echo cargo]

time to swap to venth I guess

[neat hearth]

What is the rogue spec people play in dungeons? Im thiking about making a rogue

[faint canopy]

That'd be outlaw

[echo cargo]

anyone know if there's a correlation with higher m+ going to more renown drops?

[tight ravine]

you can probably do any spec, outlaw is the best, sin's probably the hardest to do, and sub's pretty neat

[neat hearth]

ty

[balmy condor]

Slightly, but not worth imo

[neat hearth]

And is Sub for pvp?

[echo cargo]

what's your recommended order of content then?

[gusty mirage]

I’ve found higher keys increase the chance of getting renown a bit but it’s a lot more effort unless you’re already doing them

Spam heroic in lfg

[echo cargo]

I've heard normal + heroic just piss out drops

[limber lion]

Heroic raid, normal raid, lfr

Then you're done

Then you do the campaign

[gleaming reef]

hmmmm my friend says necro is better for cleave and the execute with zoldy but I kinda liking the doomblade venthyr

[faint canopy]

I wonder, does Skyfury totem augment Flag dmg (shadow) the same way it augments Sepsis (nature) ?

[gleaming reef]

will cleave outlaw still be better then cleave sin?\

[balmy condor]

Yes

[echo cargo]

listen bud- necrolord looks like poop and if you're Venth you can be a vampire daddy

easy decisions

[gusty mirage]

Sound logic there

[gleaming reef]

good, doomblade it is then. I'll just outlaw for the cleave fights then easy answer thanks!

[gusty mirage]

Do you wanna look like poop or do you want to be a vamp daddy?

[slender berry]

i definitly do not want to be a "vamp daddy"

[sleek sparrow]

I just wanna throw bone spikes

[grave gazelle]

goodbye trees hello vamp daddies.

[tight ravine]

tab garrote, rupture. tab garrote, rupture. span FoK at 5+ to apply deadly to all of them?

for cleave

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge garrotes, rupture on max-1cp on everything that lives long enough, fok on 4 targets

[wild birch]

I have 225 doomblade haste/vers, was planning to get 225 zoldyck next. After these sims getting 235 doomblade seems like a better idea

[tight ravine]

god this is such a neat spec

[iron orchid]

@spice spire I fkn forgot to turn the stream on

[topaz saffron]

What stats you putting on your doomblade boys

[ionic fox]

Aren't we going to want Crit haste on Doom?

[tight ravine]

i did crit haste

[wild birch]

Haste/vers if you plan to play pvp, doomblade was bis for pvp prior to 9.0.5

Now will become even better

[tame lake]

How is outlaw rotation for keys compared to sin can I turn my brain off

[gusty mirage]

Push blade flurry -> do ST rotation

[tight ravine]

no

[zenith sky]

outlaw=press everything on cooldown

[sleek sparrow]

Outlaw in keys is pretty braindead

[tight ravine]

i think outlaw ST is basically DDR

[gusty mirage]

In all content*

[sleek sparrow]

True

[topaz saffron]

Sin is brain turned off anyway

[sleek sparrow]

Just can't hit buttons fast enough with a billion haste

[gusty mirage]

Now I gotta go into normal and heroic and get assa parses so I can hide the fact that I gave up on the spec

[tight ravine]

i had a really good huntsman parse as sub in normal on my rogue and it made me happy and then I tried the spec more and I was like "ahhhhhhhh"

[tame lake]

Yeah but I still have to tab through targets on sin if I can just do one rotation on one target and it hits everybody that’s lit

[frozen karma]

soulbind remains the same as in the pins I guess?

[tame lake]

I’m not trying to push

[visual sequoia]

sub rogue punished to play outlaw here.... will assa be good?

[willow eagle]

Seems like the better single target spec

[severe steppe]

Honestly seeming to be a pretty darn good AoE spec too

[reef axle]

Stat wise I think it can be haste vers for pve

[stoic needle]

haste mast or crit mast for maximum memes

[tame lake]

maybe I"ll just try sin in keys

[stoic needle]

it's so much fun man

10/10 would recommend

[tame lake]

so I triple garrote rupture then fok into ct?

[ionic fox]

4 garrotes right even though 4th isnt buffed

[indigo ginkgo]

so anyone did the math to how many sec will vendetta be reduces with the buff legendarie ! ??

[ionic fox]

changes depending on targets but it could be really good for certain raid fights

[severe steppe]

In our opener, on wowhead, it says to use mutilate with subterfuge after garrote SnD. Shouldn't we be using Ambush?

Let me rephrase, is there any reason we should ever use mutilate instead of ambush

[novel pier]

only use ambush when it's free

[severe steppe]

I see interesting, thank you

[indigo ginkgo]

becasue if i can see a vendetta every 1.3m, or so its would be too much op, or maybe bring spec to top sinlge tyarget performance

[slender berry]

its less then 1.3

but still not as op as you think

[shy dust]

With dusk walkers

Wasn’t it like 63 seconds or so

[indigo ginkgo]

think bis in many fight s for this raid, to many intermissoes and time counting

[slender berry]

the only fight where its good is sludgefist

[visual sequoia]

so i just craft zoldyck or doomblades to top the meters as assassin?

[severe steppe]

^ this is the question I have as well

[slender berry]

top meteres doomblades yeah

[indigo ginkgo]

i will wait 1 weack in to the patch

we never now if they see it was too much buff

ahah

[slender berry]

if you are progressing denathrius zoldyk

[mortal tartan]

so is outlaw still best and sin/sub are even?

[soft shale]

assa does around 600 dps more on ST with almost bis gear

for m+ outlaw will still be better and necro makes it even better now

sub is well you do big crits sometimes

[subtle kiln]

wait for the min maxing sbs complainers to show up next week

[mortal tartan]

what are the leggos/covenants like on sin now? i haven't played in a bit

is zold/nf still best?

[soft shale]

i mean if people dont play mfd right what can you expect from sbs

i bet they dont even snipe critters those degens

[subtle tundra]

imagine not knowing the location of every critter in every dungeon

casuals

[subtle kiln]

i’m slightly torn. i like sbs, but i don’t think I want 2 necro toons.

[soft shale]

i had an excel with coords

but i got lazzy

[subtle kiln]

may just go tea parties and be done with it

[soft shale]

im going venthyr after awc ends

going to snag a r4 shoulder while im at it

[strange python]

I'm like super torn, both of them look good, but I also need to get rid of soul shape which is the entire reason I went NF in the first place

[subtle kiln]

i went gloves for pvp. will cap them tuesday.

[soft shale]

i got crit/haste gloves in a vault like 1 month ago

glad i didnt delete them

[subtle kiln]

oh nice

[soft shale]

also lul at me getting stone shoulders

would have to trade them again