assassination

[buoyant mauve]

I made sure to eye beam all those pepegas in lfr yesterday

[rigid tartan]

venthyr is really easy now isnt it? just press button and its done in your rotation?

[stoic needle]

well you want to pool energy for it a bit as sin

[naive rock]

I am also curious how venth is with outlaw with BIS gear. Is outlaw still going to be the dominate raid spec?

[trim zinc]

@balmy condor now that using doomblade+CttC
on sire and generals and huntsman
should i keep mult rupture em or envenon one target to death??

[balmy condor]

should always multi-dot

[shadow helm]

MORE DOTS

[normal mist]

Cttc = ?

[shadow helm]

https://tenor.com/view/more-dots-moar-moredots-gif-5729347

[balmy condor]

cut to the chase, auto-slice refresh on envenom

[normal mist]

Thxx

[polar willow]

so for a first leggo would doomblade be the best choice, seeing as its best for ST and minorly 2nd in dungeonslice?

[shadow helm]

so if oyu play assassin and outlaw

you go necro

pure sin venth

[dense forge]

necro also buffs the group if you play emeni

which is also good value

[stoic needle]

On huntsman and sire you want to keep up garotte and rupture on the main boss + remornia/dogs because they share hp. Generals you want to keep up garotte and rupture on any non-immune targets

[mild flame]

wait is cut to the chase not a passive?

[rigid tartan]

we aren't there yet with these changes right? guys?

[mild flame]

jw why it's mentioned

[buoyant mauve]

always ms mut and os mut (maybe some sub pvp)

[shadow helm]

yeah but you dont people to have better parse than u

lol!!

[balmy condor]

cttc is a passive that causes your envenom to add time to slice

[shadow helm]

so you go bonesmith

[elfin valley]

Thanks whispyr for the sims! Got some pondering to do about zold vs doom for sludge and beyond prog.

[lilac sparrow]

whispyr pinned EVERY info I wonder 👍 thx

[stoic needle]

I wouldn't use doomblade in keys

[edgy pawn]

are the newly pinned sims still containing the doomblade bug where it sims too high by about 70-75 dps?

[balmy condor]

that got fixed

[edgy pawn]

awesome, thank you

[trim zinc]

so like same as whispyr said, always multi dot
even with all that "envenon buffs"
i just wondered that cuz CttC and doomblade

[lilac sparrow]

How about envenom always pademic issue?

[balmy condor]

that's still a thing

[lilac sparrow]

Sims also does?

[balmy condor]

yes

[lilac sparrow]

Then reall dps maybe slightly lower than simc if it fixed on live

[naive rock]

The changes will be on Tuesday, so we will need to grind renoun before Tuesday (raid day)

[balmy condor]

correct, and when that happens, I will have to resim everything

[lilac sparrow]

Is it huge diff do you think?

[ornate lake]

How does necro with db compare to venthyr with db? (Cuz necro has synergy)

[naive rock]

Ok so in a sim environment venth is def better, but do you think in a real worth nf and necro will be able to do more consistent damage?

[rigid tartan]

with there yet i mean referring to your post about having to top the mythic raid dps meters now as rogue. we aren't as strong compared to other classes yet with these changes are we?

[trim zinc]

why ud sim if u dont trust it?

[rocky ruin]

raidbots weekly or nightly?

[naive rock]

Umm it kind of depends on your group. I tend to be top three dps(but that’s 90 parses against 80) it is just very consistent outlaw damage

[naive rock]

Sims are for the perfect scenario. In real boss fights you have mechanics to deal with, and the flag might line up poorly with those mechanics. Causing downtime

With nf and necro you don’t have to get as many combo points spent in a low amount of them

[balmy condor]

@stoic needle if it pleases you

[ornate lake]

I do think necro is a bit less punishing. Fire and forget style

[balmy condor]

More Specific Legendary sims per covenant:

[ornate lake]

Thanks a ton

[low girder]

Necro doomblade lmao

What is this, celerity?

[shadow helm]

KYRIAN??

[stoic needle]

Thank you kind sir

[shadow helm]

kinda sad

[little sigil]

Out of curiosity, wouldn't the changes to necro make assassination one of the better execute classes in the game with Zoldyck?

[cobalt flame]

Necro doomblade lower than NF doomblade?

[buoyant mauve]

goated

[balmy condor]

go sleep I'm done with this spec

now to do the same thing with sub

[shadow helm]

what happened to kyrian bros

lmao

[buoyant mauve]

well damn, now I reaaaally gotta do torghast

[stoic needle]

The best

[buoyant mauve]

night night

[merry fox]

400 dps diff between kyrian and vent

[sinful island]

but this week, venth is still bad right?

[stoic needle]

Why sim for a dead spec?

[little sigil]

@stoic needle if that's the case then that's infinitely more valuable than whatever the overall suggests

[tame night]

hi im a hunter refugee tldr pls

[balmy condor]

because dead specs are valid. Recognize where you came from, sin one trick.

[tame night]

not really but i want an alt

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

I have said it many a time, but I'll say it again. Just because a spec is bad, does not mean that optimizing it is not worth the effort, or the time. All my ambush/mut nonsense and APL changes were during the late beta, early SL phase where sin was "unplayable"

[cobalt flame]

Why would anyone want to play spec without 2 Asses in its name

[stoic needle]

Sadly we still don't have any raid utility and idk if this damage is gonna be enough to make us top tier alone

[balmy condor]

it's okay to like a spec that's bad

and it's okay to optimize for it

you play what you find fun, to the best of your ability

that's what matters

[eternal wave]

PvE Smoke Bomb back when?

[stoic needle]

I was joking, you really don't have to justify simming for sub

[naive rock]

Whispyr are you going to be doing outlaw as well?

[nimble grove]

those sims use ma talent with ma leggo? coz i can't see ma as a leggo being that bad lol

[balmy condor]

I know, but some other people question it as well XD

[tame night]

i take it necro, nf and venthyr are all about the same now?

[buoyant mauve]

wasn't execute dmg our niche? now that's it's so close to the bottom what do we have now?

[stoic needle]

Cuz it's the same as simming for sin pre 20% of aura buffs

[little sigil]

@stoic needle well, MM is literally only brought because they have(had) the best burst cleave in the game

[naive rock]

Big dam

[little sigil]

so s tier execute possibly is enough

[balmy condor]

yes, ma talent is just simply better than subt for everything except MA legendary, I suppose I could change it, but can't be fucked, it's meh

[stoic needle]

You misunderstand. Execute damage is still our niche, we have the best damage in the game during the execute phase. We just also have good damage outside of the execute phase now too

[grizzled owl]

Hey guys

Sorry, I might have missed lot of infos

[balmy condor]

probably will change that at some point later to be more precise

[balmy condor]

all in the pins

[grizzled owl]

Will assa be OK now ?

Yea

I check those

😉

[trim zinc]

hmmm cant use both tho

[grizzled owl]

right now

[naive rock]

Wait did they fix the bug for sbs?

[balmy condor]

yes

[naive rock]

Awww 😦

[buoyant mauve]

give rogues rally/amz/darkness 2021

[grizzled owl]

should I craft doomblade ?

[undone scroll]

Should just give us back smoke bomb

[cobalt flame]

Wait for like 9.3 and we will 100% have option to wear 2 leggos. Then you can execute and doomblade

[stoic needle]

DOOMBLADE MASTERY STACK BIG ENVENOM CULT SOUND OFF

[buoyant mauve]

or revert feint so we are the soaking livelords 😄

[sage fern]

sorry to ask, but where can I find the current sims?

[naive rock]

Oh what are the stat weights with doomblade?

[stoic needle]

The same as with everything else

Crit/haste

[naive rock]

Why would you mastery stack then?

[cobalt flame]

Why not

[stoic needle]

Because big envenoms are fun

[cobalt flame]

[naive rock]

Truuue

1k mastery necro?

[cosmic prism]

big envenom build on sludefist

[stoic needle]

Idk I'm probably going to stick with venthyr

[buoyant mauve]

ep/ns/mfd

[dense forge]

execute leggo on sludgefister tho

[stoic needle]

But maybe one day when I have a big mastery set I'll go necro

[dense forge]

big bl phase

[stoic needle]

Duskwalkers is the real play for Sludgefist

Vendetta every pillar

[lament mica]

is execute leggo that good on sludge? u miss so many pillars w/ the execute dmg

[dense forge]

hmm true

[lament mica]

ya that's def the play

vendetta for every pillar is busty

[dense forge]

imagine taking rogues

on sludge

[cosmic prism]

i tried the MA build on sludge prog few days ago, was pretty fun

[hollow chasm]

I'm in for sludge

[lament mica]

imagine taking melee on sludge...

[dense forge]

we have a rogue too

[grizzled owl]

hmm

[dense forge]

im vengeance dh now

[grizzled owl]

will the change really be impactfull ?

[lament mica]

[grizzled owl]

IT feels like crap

CTTC is good

but meh

no really dmg up

[cosmic prism]

our raid has 7 melee we're benching 1 so we atleast have an even amount

[dense forge]

but this is the first and only tier im tanking

[stoic needle]

Imagine having a guild

[balmy condor]

cttc is almost 200dps alone

[hollow chasm]

I think this is how main tanks are born

[dense forge]

dps are the best tank players

[raw pebble]

assa>outlaw tues/?

[naive rock]

I’m going to wait for the outlaw cov sims before I swap. Still need to be outlaw for 20+ keys.

[dense forge]

nl will be king i bet

[grizzled owl]

is switching to venthyr also a dps up ?

I feel it's pretty close

[balmy condor]

there's a pin for that

[naive rock]

Idk you can stack combo points like crazy for outlaw so venth prob better

[dense forge]

nl is already good with emeni and now its getting buffed

[grizzled owl]

ah right

[marble hemlock]

keep in mind that spelldata wasnt available until very recently, and blizzard might very well feel that the new necro/venthyr might be too good and adjust the numbers a little bit. selling all your kyrian or nightfae stocks to buy in on the necro/venthyr hype might cost you.

[grizzled owl]

200 dps up

hmm

[dense forge]

switching back is so ez anyways

[naive rock]

To the moon

[dense forge]

if they nerf vampires or nls quicklx

[trim zinc]

dont u have to wait like days?

[marble hemlock]

there will be a lot of sims and updates and new findings over the next week or two while we figure out the best way to play around the new functionalities.

its 2 resets

[dapper flint]

but its not like +1000 dps, why would they nerf it

[dense forge]

its 2 weeklys@trim zinc

[marble hemlock]

if you do it late on tuesday/early on wednesday, it only takes a day or two

but you can only do that every 2 weeks

[dense forge]

if you start the thing tuesday u can swap wednesday iirc

[grave gazelle]

Man looking at all these sims idk if i wanna stay NF or not lol

[trim zinc]

im swapping to venthyr rn

[dense forge]

i did it once on my dh from venthyr back to kyrian and it was no big deal

[marble hemlock]

because its not like it hasnt happened before

[polar willow]

what stats to put on zold?

[trim zinc]

craft doomblade

[dapper flint]

did blizz ever nerf a covenant in SL? Not counting bugfixes

[merry fox]

doomblade on shoulders i guess?

[polar willow]

its my alt. its for keys and alt raids

[elfin valley]

Begrudgingly crafting zold come Tuesday for generals, and sire prog

[trim zinc]

imma do shoulders cuz i have a 226 gloves otherwise go gloves

[earnest remnant]

if you raid mythic and kill SLG put it on hands

[marble hemlock]

people are overvaluing the new numbers quite a bit. its still only a minor difference between covenants, to the point where you can play any covenant and be competitive with any other rogue who plays a different covenant. only now its slightly in favor of a different covenant.
nevertheless, people should be careful about optimizing for dps gains that are not noticeable in any individual pull, when bad RNG, getting mechanics or simply not playing the spec at 100% will cost you more dps, than your covenant choice.

[lament mica]

[grave gazelle]

[eternal wave]

In the end Necrolord is the only true answer thanks to DR

[dapper flint]

what im trying to say is that blizz only buffed covenants (i could be wrong, cant remember), as it will cause a shitstorm on forums

[cosmic prism]

while thats true you can say that for anything, 200 dps increase (assuming its not nerfed) is pretty substantial

[marble hemlock]

under ideal circumstances? sure.

how often do you get those as a melee?

[lament mica]

do u mean just cov abilities? cuz taking FM from convoke in pvp was a definite nerf

[little sigil]

ideal circumstances don't exist

[dense forge]

necrolord have emeni which you also shouldnt forget tbh

[marble hemlock]

they do in a sim

thats their entire point 😄

[little sigil]

sure in sims, but not in the real world lmao

[grizzled owl]

I mean if you know how to play you get those, especially in raid, because you know the encounter

[marble hemlock]

exactly

[cosmic prism]

lucky xymox pulls

[dapper flint]

its was only a pvp nerf, right? Can still proc FM in pve?

[lament mica]

ya

[eternal wave]

Fuck your Xy'mox pulls

I've been a seed bitch since pull 1

Yes even over DKs on 3rd seeds

[dense forge]

[lament mica]

same lol i run seeds and my best xymo parse is a 34

[cosmic prism]

imagine not having hunters / dks / mages to do seeds

[lament mica]

major sad

[marble hemlock]

no yohz, not at all. a sim will use abiltiies on cd as much as possible, while on a boss you might have to delay a flagellation cast for 5-15 seconds to wait out mechanics, otherwise you run the risk of being forced out of melee and not gaining full benefit. either way, suddenly flagellation isnt as good in those situations, whereas you can press sepsis or bonespike at any point without having to worry about losing its benefits

[cobalt flame]

Imagine doing seeds instead of wiping

[dapper flint]

serious question - do i get my callings reset if i switch cov? I.e. if i have an epic calling available so i can try to loot 200 lashing

[ornate lake]

Yeah i think necro is a bit more foolproof and can result in higher dps than venthyr in raids / M+

But a patchwork sim shows venthyr as best atm

[lament mica]

rnt the necro soulbinds kinda poop/

i haven't played a necro class yet

[little sigil]

or you could be a shadow priest where your sim assumes your RL allows you to PI yourself :^^^^)

[timber gale]

Mann I just finished rank 4 Zoldyck

[rigid tartan]

shadowpriests PI'ing other players is trolling haha. its a higher dps gain on themselves for the raid

[timber gale]

Do I rly gotta play doomblade

[marble hemlock]

what im ultimately trying to say, and i know this may sound elitist and everything, but the amount of people who should actively worry about a 2-2.5% dps gain are limited to like 20 rogues in the entire world. everyone else should worry about a bunch of other shit first, like improving their uptimes, how to multidot properly, pooling resources for shiv and lining up CDs with mechanics. all of those will gain them more DPS than choosing any singular covenant over another.

[lament mica]

[marble hemlock]

people spend hours and hours freaking out over a 1-2% dps gain from picking a covenant, when they can just pick any of the four, feel good about their choice as all 4 covenants are very close in performance, and move on to things that will impact their DPS much more

[grave gazelle]

[cosmic prism]

seeing bigger numbers on details > actually requiring the damage to push boss phase or kill boss 😤

[naive rock]

Necro also has the benefit of a big def Xd

[eternal wave]

Hang on

[little sigil]

assuming perfect environment, UH does way more burst on pull than shadow does, so PI has exponential value there

[naive rock]

Cd

[eternal wave]

Does Emeni's main stat buff proc with a use of a single SBS?

[lament mica]

i feel ur point, but i'd say any player guild going for CE shoudl care about 1-2% dps, not just 20 people

[marble hemlock]

its funny how quickly a lot of people at the top-end decided on a covenant they liked, while people on the lower-end sometimes worry days or weeks on what to pick 😄 (not assuming anyone in here is part of either grp)

[dense forge]

yes

[eternal wave]

Wtf

That's like actually godmode

[marble hemlock]

any player going for CE should realize that sim dps =!= raid dps

[mild flame]

is doom blade's dot damage bugged? feels way lower than 30%

[lament mica]

right, but im just saying up to 2.5% dps does matter so its enough to look into

[cosmic prism]

wait can you fit 3 envenoms into shiv window usually?

[marble hemlock]

and they would be aware of the shortcomings of flagellation as a CD compared to ER/sepsis/SBS and why it might sim higher, but perform closer than initially thought

[lament mica]

not that they need to flip out and switch covs, lol just do their research and see wussup

[marble hemlock]

sure. but the time and effort spent on thinking about the covenant choice for rogues is disproportionate to the actual gain, especially as each covenant performs slightly better/worse when comparing them in different encounter types

[lament mica]

facts

[polar willow]

so which leggo should a new rogue build first? doom or zold? doing keys and raid

[naive rock]

Oh how does the doomblade bleed work is it like priest devouring plague?

[marble hemlock]

its like youre progressing, and people spend 20 minutes arguing about where to vantus, when youve been wiping 3minutes in to people missing interrupts.

[lament mica]

rogue covs are def similarly good / bad depending on how u look at it lol

[mild flame]

rogue conduits and covs are just all dog shit, doesn't matter what you play you can easily hit 95% with any

[marble hemlock]

is it worth discussing when to vantus? absolutely. is the amount of time spent on discussing it proportionate to the actual gain? fuck no. the main dps gain from a vantus rune isnt from the versatility, but people thinking "okay, we finally used vantus, time to get serious"

Covenant choices for rogues are pretty similar, once people have made a choice they look into the things that will actually gain them more dps than the choice itself 😄

[strong mauve]

so eh em

wats the spec to go for 9.0.5?

is it assa? 😄

[naive rock]

@balmy condor doomblade how does the bleed work is it like mage scorch or is it reset every mut?

[balmy condor]

it's like fire mage ignite, a rolling dot

[marble hemlock]

i doubt anyone will ever be in a situation where they lost to another rogue and can with 100% certainty say it was due to a different covenant choice, and not due to other factors

[naive rock]

Oh that god

That’s sooo goood

[lament mica]

ya for sure

[dense forge]

[twilit spear]

Fae is good for mythic?

[ornate lake]

its in the pins blackdahlia

[marble hemlock]

its a blessing and a curse. other classes have a very simple answer to the question "what covenant do i play". we can play any of the four, but its a bit of a analysis paralysis situation, where people fear to make the "wrong" choice or a suboptimal one, when its hard to say there even is such a thing

[lament mica]

so its massively important to not let the debuff fall off, right

or is that not how ignite works

[marble hemlock]

doesnt matter

as long as you dont envenom

without the bleed active

[balmy condor]

it just means that you don't lose anything from mutilating again

[placid cobalt]

is doomblade best ST legendary so?

[timber gale]

I haven’t been running Theotar, does that mean I’m missing out?

I don’t even rly know how he works

[trim zinc]

so if i have like 4 cp and dont have the dot up, should i mut and then envenon?

[marble hemlock]

if your mutilates crit and you cast a few in a row, you get a high dot. if you pool and only use mut once every 5-6seconds, you will get a low one. the overall dps benefit from it will remain the same whether you crit 4times in 4seconds, or 4times in 10seconds

[shadow helm]

lashing scars op conduit tho!!

more haste and deeps

[balmy condor]

it does not change your rotation

[marble hemlock]

well

[lament mica]

yaya i get it ok cool

[marble hemlock]

it sorta does i guess

but the debuff lasts long enough for it to not really matter

youd wanna pool at 2+ cp instead of 4+ before envenoms

because theoretically there might be a fringe case where you pool at 4cp and doomblade dot runs out before you envenom. which might cost you like a whole of 10dps in a 5min fight

[ionic fox]

Is there finalized Assas sims for 9.05

[marble hemlock]

probably way less than 10dps 😛

[balmy condor]

there's a million of them in the pins

[iron orchid]

I have always wanted to switch from night fae, and all covenant look great, but I feel like venthyr or necro will be more fun to play with. The sad part being that I don't like Kyrian, that it is a bit weaker, and my M+ team needs a kyrian

[alpine oasis]

im a kyrian but i need to change and i dont know what as i like venf or necro

[marble hemlock]

both necro and venthyr might be a bit more engaging, as theyre not just buttons you press on CD and play around very little, but actively try to maximize their benefits

[quiet juniper]

Will the lego rank change with 9.05 ? The dot one seems fun but I would have something that change the gameplay a bit

[iron orchid]

Yeah, that's where I think the fun lies

[limber lion]

I 100% agree with everything you've said Seli. I think it faults to people often looking elsewhere for why they are underperforming. To them, it's not about their mechanical skill, it's more about the gear, the talents, legendaries, your team, covenant etc.

It's rare to see someone say "ok i suck and i need to get better at this class" rather than "an outlaw in the group does 4k more dps than me because he has 225 ilvl and I only have 223"

[gentle gyro]

venthyr is pretty "fire and forget" now

[lament mica]

u gotta optimize ur cp spent tho

[limber lion]

Also a lot of people give too much credit to secondaries and very often think that having "bad secondary distribution" reduces their dps significantly.

[lament mica]

prob pool a bit

[marble hemlock]

yeah ceverion. i mean, i do applaud anyone who puts in the time and effort to research their class and how to best set up their character for success. its just that there comes a point where people need to move on from a marginal dps increase.

[ionic fox]

@balmy condor Do you have another of the top pinned sims with covenants/soulbinds included?

[marble hemlock]

and i know people who have spent days or weeks struggling to decide on a covenant out of fear of choosing a "bad" one

[ionic fox]

Necro will buff Doomblade

[gentle gyro]

i'm really hesitant to switch because the gains will be so marginal

and i have to play campaign again and get anima stores back up

[marble hemlock]

then dont

😛

[gentle gyro]

so kinda eh

[limber lion]

Absolutely. Every pull is different and there's so many random factors in the game that affect your dps more than a covenant choice ever will.

[shadow helm]

NECRO SIMS SCAM

[ionic fox]

Doom is leader is ST by a good margin without necro implemented. Necro will ad an extra bleed to Doomblade

[balmy condor]

have you tried the link that's in that pin

[marble hemlock]

should maybe

bold and underline the "MORE DETAILS HERE"

😄

[grizzled owl]

so

its looking good for necro + doomsblade

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor Hi, can you tell me if Master assassin is a flat 50% crit rate or 50% of the crit you currently have?

[marble hemlock]

well

[balmy condor]

yeah, I'll have to clean it up and re-order anyway

[marble hemlock]

i dont think youll be playing doomblade on a lot of fights :>

[balmy condor]

50% crit rate, but only affecting rogue abilities, similar to how MA the legendary got changed

[teal bloom]

Is Doomblade damage reduced by armour in that sim?

[marble hemlock]

any fight where the last 30% of the fight are harder than the previous 70%, you will very likely still be running zoldyck

[trim zinc]

venthyr doomblade

[marble hemlock]

its a bleed, bleeds dont get reduced by armor, and teh damage is calculated based on the damage of the already mitigated mutilate hit

[cobalt flame]

I agree that the covenants are close, but strictly looking at abilities Sepsis is trash that even poorly used flag overperforms. The only thing saving ST NF sims are burrs.

[marble hemlock]

but you cant just look at covenants like that

[novel arrow]

So guys. Doomblade can be buffed by theoretically 5 bleeds right? Rupture, Garrote, Internal bleeding, Necrolord, Doomblade.

[marble hemlock]

covenants are a combination of conduit pathings, soulbinds and the covenant ability. removing any one of them will give you bad results

[umbral rapids]

it's like there's more to covenants than the button

[novel arrow]

25% to my 3k envenom? Feelsbad

[marble hemlock]

at least when considering the overall dps impact of your covenant choice

[naive rock]

You forgot crimson

[trim zinc]

CT

[marble hemlock]

you will gain much more damage from your soulbinds and conduits, than from the actual covenant ability

[novel arrow]

oh yeah ct

[iron orchid]

@balmy condor Your ST sims with venthyr are using Theotar right ?

[balmy condor]

nadjia

[iron orchid]

ok thanks

[fleet thorn]

Is SBS working properly for everyone on PTR?

[naive rock]

That’s why I have no idea the venth soulbind tree is

[fleet thorn]

I cant get it to consistently build Combo Points with crit

as assassin

[cobalt flame]

Yeah i know Seli, but my point was more focused towards the rng of the fights/mechanics. Venthyr will be always better than NF now no matter what because even if u dont use flag to its max it will still be better.

[marble hemlock]

what

sepsis is a press and forget ability. you dont even use the ambush cast it procs. when you use it doesnt matter, as long as you have shiv active

whereas with flagellation if you are forced out of melee, suddenly you dont gain the full haste benefit that the sim calculated

making flagellation worse in reality than on paper

so if anything, venthyr is the most likely to lose value due to mechanics disadvantaging melee

not the best

[shadow helm]

forced out of melee?

[trim zinc]

any raid mechanics

[cobalt flame]

Is there a way to sim sepsis vs ruined flag cast thx to mechanics?

[surreal hawk]

its usually pretty easy to plan around a 12sec window where u need full uptime

[sharp falcon]

explain "consistently"? Meaning you can sometimes, but not other times? Or just not at all?

[marble hemlock]

sure. but then you might be delaying flag by 10seconds because you have eruption and upheaval upcoming on SLG, and you dont wanna use it before in case you get it, but then youre also delaying it a long time until those mechanics have been cast. which will again result in less dps than the sim-dps

[wind nacelle]

So Doomblade it is then for ST?

[marble hemlock]

a sim is under ideal single-target dps conditions. those are pretty much never guaranteed, so any ability that requires prolonged uptime like flagellation, might be slightly worse than it intiially looks on paper

[surreal hawk]

yeah that is ture

true

[fleet thorn]

Trying out with crit, seeing if it generates an extra combo point with MA lego. It sometimes generates 1 CP on adds, sometimes 2. When it should be (my first SBS on a clean target) 2 CP with guarnteed crit

[sharp falcon]

2cp is non-crit single target

[marble hemlock]

should be 3 on singletarget

2 from the initial hit (crit) and +1 from the bleed

[fleet thorn]

Ok so the crit isnt generating an extra CP then

[unreal fern]

do u think that assa will be better at raids in 9.0.5 and later? 😉

[sharp falcon]

it definitely should never be 1cp and if you see that behavior i'd be curious

[marble hemlock]

it will be better than it is now.

seeing how every class got minor or major adjustments, its pretty much impossible to tell where we stand compared to all others at this point

[fleet thorn]

Now I am using it on a target, with no MA, it doesnt crit, but getting 3 CP from 1 SBS use on a target

It doesnt happen constantly

[marble hemlock]

having a fairly powerful execute, the spec might be considered pretty viable for cutting edge progression

[unreal fern]

and what lego will/should be used as sin?

forget about this spec since bfa ;d

oh new pins, ty

[limber lion]

Get trolled, the legendary sims are not out yet

[quasi oar]

they are tho

[wind nacelle]

Hold on

Why Deeper on NF?

[balmy condor]

deeper on everything EXCEPT night fae

[wind nacelle]

Oooh

[limber lion]

Open up the pins and link me the legendary-comparison pin please.

[wind nacelle]

Reading is difficult T_T

[marble hemlock]

i know what youre trying to do whispyr

but youre not gonna get me to play MA instead of subterfuge, like, ever

or deeper instead of vigor

:<

[ionic fox]

Those Covenant sims are including conduits ye?

[hollow escarp]

mfd

[limber lion]

This. Deeper feels awful as Assa. MA is great for NF specifically

[marble hemlock]

did MA+DS sim higher even in non-doomblade setups?

[balmy condor]

yes

[echo cargo]

yuck

[marble hemlock]

im guessing

less than 1%?

[balmy condor]

MA is well above subterfuge (like 1%+) after koji's pass through

[drifting cloud]

the nf MA?

[marble hemlock]

yeah but koji is being paid by the big MA lobby

[balmy condor]

I tried my best with the whole garrote/ambush stuff seli

but she's gone

you have to let go

[dense forge]

[marble hemlock]

i mean

ill still play subter on all non-st fights

😛

[balmy condor]

as you should :P

[marble hemlock]

idk

i hated playing MA on like jaina and uunat back in the day

[subtle kiln]

koji too worried about Yahtzee spec

[balmy condor]

but yes, the gains from going ma and deeper (especially on venthyr), are non-marginal

[marble hemlock]

fucking inconsistent as fuck openers

[hollow escarp]

parry with MA

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, MA with venthyr seems solid

and i guess spiking during MA window is pretty good too

[ionic fox]

@balmy condor Those covenant sims include conduits yes?

[balmy condor]

naturally

[trim zinc]

And MA but not deeper??
Is that much troll
I do hate having 6 cp
Lmao

[balmy condor]

with the gear the bis setup has, it becomes worth to play deeper

my sims on a theoretical profile do not replace your own sims for your character

and it is probably unlikely that you'll play deeper on anything other than venthyr

[marble hemlock]

should sim with my character then

[balmy condor]

with mortal gear at least

[marble hemlock]

so i have to think less

[balmy condor]

deeper on venthyr is crazy though

like it beat out vigor on like a 210 profile I was testing

kinda nuts

[limber lion]

You think the new apl is getting pushed tomorrow or the after?

[balmy condor]

the what now

[trim zinc]

Like still better going venthyr if i dont play deeper

[balmy condor]

I don't know of any new apl

[balmy condor]

yeh

[limber lion]

Wait wtf did I just type, did I have a stroke

[ornate lake]

lol

[noble dust]

is there a way to get to look into the sims ?

would love to check out the gear whi h is being sim'ed

[ornate lake]

its the BiS gear

[subtle kiln]

let me know when you figure that part out

[balmy condor]

yeh it's just full bis

[marble hemlock]

but

whose bis list

did you use

[noble dust]

yeah thanks a lot :) where can i find the bis list used

[marble hemlock]

[noble dust]

hahahaha

[balmy condor]

....my......bis list?

[subtle kiln]

IV bis list hopefully

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

i only have a dungeon bis list on there

[balmy condor]

that's why they pay you the big bucks

[marble hemlock]

no

[unreal fern]

so doomblade is no good allaround?

[marble hemlock]

i just dont want a raid one

[distant cypress]

Whispyr share your bis list and pawn

[marble hemlock]

cause its pointless

[ornate lake]

What whispyr, i had it bookmarked, you locked it? 😦

[marble hemlock]

to have a raid bislist :<

[balmy condor]

I did

[ornate lake]

💔

[balmy condor]

pepega's gonna pepega

so I had to take the toys away

[distant cypress]

Why

[ornate lake]

wasnt that usefull anyway, simming yourself is best

[subtle kiln]

have to go necrolords. rl won’t notice i’m not on DK then.

[distant cypress]

You don't want ppl to be pepega?

[balmy condor]

"Hey whispyr, thank you for bis sheet very helpful. I simmed my vault and it shows that bis item is not simming higher? Why is this? Do I take bis item anyway? Please help I have raid tonight and want to do best <3"

I paraphrased a little bit on that

[ornate lake]

Sim Yo Self!

[distant cypress]

<3

[balmy condor]

but that's pretty much a message that I received

[iron orchid]

Do we know if SBS works on Zold now ?

[balmy condor]

and I started getting those questions

more and more and more and more

to the point where I realized that the bis list was just trolling people who didn't know any better

so we got rid of it

[marble hemlock]

good boy

[distant cypress]

Meh

[hollow escarp]

you could always put a disclaimer

[distant cypress]

Yea

[marble hemlock]

that would require people

to actually read

which they dont

[hollow escarp]

true

[low girder]

Or we could train people out of bis lists

[ornate lake]

He did put it in the excel though

[low girder]

By not having them

[hollow escarp]

well, you kinda still have a bis list on herodamage

[distant cypress]

Nah just put your pawn string at the top and all problems would go away

[hollow escarp]

I deleted Pawn

[noble dust]

sooo, can i see that bis list now i just want to do best in raid

[iron orchid]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I think so

[hollow escarp]

there are multiple necro lord logs with zoldyck

[distant cypress]

So they announced patch coming next week... So this is it for rogue changes...

Kinda sucks ngll

[hollow escarp]

or it's only working in 9.0.5?

[marble hemlock]

why?

[dense forge]

why sucks? think rogues can be happy

just look at havoc dhs

[marble hemlock]

2 covenant buffs that even put them ahead of current "bis" covenants, plenty of legendary buffs for more flexibility which will improve overall dps

[dense forge]

they got almost no st buffs and they could rly use some

[marble hemlock]

honestly, weve received more love than most other classes this patch

[hollow escarp]

they should add convoke the poisons stack 10 ruptures on 1 target, that would be fun, right?

[ornate lake]

Great patch for us imo

[subtle kiln]

the changes for a mid patch look great

[marble hemlock]

plenty of bug fixes too

[ornate lake]

exanguinate that!

[distant cypress]

Covenant Buffs only affect ppl willing to change their current one

They didn't really address core rogue problems only borrowed power systems

[marble hemlock]

what core rogue problems?

[dense forge]

the cto bugfix is big

[hollow escarp]

it was bugged?

[dense forge]

ye

[hollow escarp]

ahh, overlapping

[dense forge]

buffs disappeared

all the time

[hollow escarp]

yeah, I remember

I just played around it

[subtle kiln]

you play a borrowed powers game.

[balmy condor]

and you play with my heart

[distant cypress]

That's true

[marble hemlock]

assa has received

20% in aura buffs over the last 3 months, now we get more interactive covenant abilities, legendary buffs, what else do people want?

[fiery mauve]

Blood

[subtle kiln]

i sent you ricky bobby prayers

[tight ginkgo]

CttC coming back is nice qol too right

[marble hemlock]

oh yeah

[balmy condor]

much appreciated

[rich yew]

I would like 2 shadowsteps as Sin

[marble hemlock]

totally forgot about that already lmao

[low girder]

Lmfao

[hollow escarp]

idk, I was pretty happy with sin even before cut the chase was added

[bright timber]

Is it worth multidotting on council?

[low girder]

Decent buff though

[trim zinc]

CttC?

[balmy condor]

only garrotes

[fiery mauve]

What I actually want is kingsbane

[distant cypress]

Cttc doesn't really change much, just makes slice and dice more meaningless and should be turned into a passive at this point

[turbid harbor]

people want to be top dps spec while not having to change covenant 😄

[marble hemlock]

cut to the chase

is a passive?

[reef axle]

I’m quite happy going venthyr

Yes

[subtle kiln]

the amount they did for the spec is actually crazy for a half patch. you could argue this should have been done in beta, but this is where we are.

[hollow escarp]

it's a maintenance buff

sort of

[distant cypress]

Slice should be a passive, read

[marble hemlock]

it virtually is

a passive

with cttc

[shut edge]

So guys what are the m+ assas here picking as cov & Legendary next week i guess its venthyr & zol right?

[hollow escarp]

agreed, based on the previous experiences I wasn't expecting sin to get so much love this expansion at all

I mean look what they did to sub in bfa

[marble hemlock]

snd for all intents and purposes is a button you press once at low CP on pull in a 8minute fight, and then never press it again

[winter gale]

Bois

[marble hemlock]

how is that anything but a passive benefit at this point?

[unreal fern]

Im wondering about making my sin for ST raid situation while still running outlaw in aoe, and thinking about swapping to venth

[hollow escarp]

you need to cast twice on Shriekwing

[drifting light]

Bad design

[winter gale]

Atm we want to : make doomblade on hands and go Venthyr?

[subtle kiln]

three times for some guilds

[winter gale]

If we want to be best assa as posaible for raiding!

?*

[subtle kiln]

bone spike team draka

[marble hemlock]

so instead of the 50% attackspeed being a passive, you now get a passive that permanently provides the 50% attackspeed as long as you cast snd once at the start of the fight. one of them is good design, the other bad? how?

[fiery mauve]

Draka soulbind when

[quasi oar]

i wonder how strong venthyr is without lashing scars tho

[balmy condor]

knock about 1% off of all the sims

[drifting imp]

If I remember the start of the expansion, oh boi... I love my sin now. I'm rly surprised with how much they did for us

[marble hemlock]

"we should get a passive that makes us not need to cast snd to get 50% attackspeed"

blizzard adds cut to the chase
"thats bad design"

[balmy condor]

first time in the channel?

[winter gale]

And I started as Venthyr

[subtle kiln]

last soon

[winter gale]

If I want to go back it will take me 2 weekly resets?

[teal bloom]

Isn't Doomblade better on shoulders because they give more stats than gloves?

[paper bloom]

You can start the going back now and finish it on Tuesday afternoon

[unreal fern]

good, i have shit shoulders

[dapper flint]

if you can kill mythic generals - it isnt

[winter gale]

Ill go today insta

[restive void]

Guys what are you going to pick Venthyr or Necro for Sin?

[winter gale]

And will farm shit for doomblade leggo

One more thing

[teal bloom]

Oh yeah generals drop shoulders

[unreal fern]

Im wondering if zoldyck will be competetive in CE progress

[winter gale]

New assa VS new sub? What going on in that duel?

[fiery mauve]

Yes

[grizzled owl]

I think assa is far ahead in sT at least ?

don't know shit aoe wise

did something change for Sub ? I don't think so

[hollow escarp]

I'm gonna wait for patch to drop, clear the raid then sim myself before I join the vamp gang

[fiery mauve]

Gonna be honest

See no reason why they would nerf flag in pve at this point

But sure you never know

[winter gale]

I fucking jate myself for being a traitor and leaving venthyr last month

[grizzled owl]

well there was no reason to nerf BW fucking legendary for havoc

and they did

so

[hollow escarp]

don't tell me you left for Burrs?

[grizzled owl]

Always except stupid thing from blizz

😄

[winter gale]

Now I will pay with 2 weeks of timegate

[hollow escarp]

2 days if timed right

[fiery mauve]

The stupid thing from blizz was to release flag in its previous state

So I mean

Can only go up from there

[kind walrus]

Are people going to switch to Venthyr or Necro now with the new patches?

[hollow escarp]

some will

[fleet thorn]

I am

[fiery mauve]

Uh very likely since majority follow sims

[fleet thorn]

oh wait

[ornate lake]

Also, who wants to be a fairy? O.o

[gentle gyro]

i do

[hollow escarp]

nobody plays Dreamweaver anyway

[gentle gyro]

arena says otherwise

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but that's pvp

it's like pet battles

a side game

[kind walrus]

PvP KEKW

[gentle gyro]

hey man you can't compare pets to pvp

pet battles are serious business

[fiery mauve]

Actually no good rogue plays dream weaver

[trim zinc]

Always have been a huge part of the game lmao

[fiery mauve]

Niya mastery is big

[hollow escarp]

probably of the game, not the community

[ornate lake]

I just ment, NF covenant as a whole. Too many fairy's there

But tbh, most people follow sims. So there will be a new balance in covenant distribution

[fiery mauve]

On the other hand

[dapper flint]

tinfoil time - blizz wanted to even covenant population as a whole

[reef axle]

Will prob be switching to venthyr

[fiery mauve]

Pve is big and outlaw is likely going necrochad

[hollow escarp]

Ion said the opposite

in Sloot's most recent interview

they don't care about balancing covenant population

[balmy condor]

Shadowlands Information:

Talents:
3-3-2-0-0-2-1 - Single target (Blindside + Vigor can be okay if you're very undergeared, EP + Vigor can be okay if you're not playing obedience)
2-2-3/1-0-0-2-3 - M+
Covenants:
Venthyr > Necrolord >= Night Fae > Kyrian

More details: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

Legendary choice:
Single Target: Obedience > Doomblade >= Resounding > Dashing Scoundrel > Duskwalker > MA > Zoldyck

Multi Target/General Use: Obedience > MA = Zoldyck

Zoldyck is a very valuable option when execute is desired

9.1 Specific things
Domination Gems are Unholy set, and the damage gems for both frost and blood.
Obedience on Cloak
Doomblade on Cloak
Zold on Legs
Dashing on Cloak
Resounding on Waist
Sylvanas Daggers are very strong in single target, will however lose in aoe, since the effect is single target. Sim yourself or look at the comparisons here for an idea: https://tinyurl.com/2xav5yk8

Stat Suggestions:
Haste > Crit > Versatility > Mastery
Secondary stat priority can vary wildly from one character to another, this is only a rough guideline.

For M+, Crit > Mastery=Haste >= Vers
(Crit and mastery gain value in aoe, haste loses value. Haste is still a good stat for us in m+, and overall all secondaries are close)

Conduits:
Single Target: Lashing Scars > Sudden Fractures >= Well-Placed Steel > Lethal Poisons > Maim, Mangle

Maim can be good with Doomblade

Mythic Plus: Lashing Scars >= Sudden Fractures > Poisoned Katar >= Lethal Poisons = Well-Placed Steel

[hollow escarp]

[fiery mauve]

O god

[trim zinc]

I can go any covenant that gives me more dmg
But kyrian

[balmy condor]

just cleaning up

https://tenor.com/view/mr-clean-dancing-cleaning-mopping-sway-gif-9643872

[vestal wren]

ah nice

[dapper flint]

Ion said many things, to be honest, that didnt turn out to be true in the game

[balmy condor]

oh my god that still doesn't embed

[vestal wren]

👍

[balmy condor]

discord pls

[vestal wren]

i guess i need to update my spreadsheet soon

[balmy condor]

:P

[lament mica]

im pretty sure they've said they prefer certain class fantasy like a majority of druids being night fae

[hollow escarp]

[lament mica]

and necrolord dk

[hollow escarp]

yeah, something around that

as a night elf myself, I like being night fae, but as a rogue venthyr/necro look cool

kyrian is the only one I dislike

[reef axle]

Hmm, sin has quite the jump over sub next patch

[shadow helm]

bring back house of eyes and make a cool leather rogue set

[hollow escarp]

my transmog rn is pretty necro

[lament mica]

i was so confused wat sudden fractures was for a sec

[shadow helm]

necro soulbind

i mean conduit

[lament mica]

ya i googled it lol

[reef axle]

So based on pins, we would want our doom blade to be haste vers on hands?

[naive rock]

Or haste Crit

[reef axle]

I guess either would work 🤔

[shadow helm]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321259/patch-9-0-5-ptr-class-hotfixes-for-march-4th-necrolord-demon-hunter-buff

[lament mica]

dont think it matters much ebtween glove n shoulders assuming u aren't someone going for CE

[shadow helm]

HAWTFIX

[lament mica]

altho i guess heroic slg shoulders are nice too as ur gearing

[shadow helm]

just make doomblade shoulders

cant find a single haste crit shoulder

[balmy condor]

gloves and shoulders are identical stats

the only thing that matters is what slot is worse

[hollow escarp]

yep

[shadow helm]

yeah

theres no single crit hate shoulder

lmao

[slim heath]

Guys, for M+, SLG and Denathrius Mythic execute legendary is best or?

[lament mica]

ya i just said CE cuz 233 shoulders are from the 9th boss

[sterile jackal]

yea

[lament mica]

so then gloves would be better

and slg is arguable harder than sire

[hollow escarp]

well, you have to be in a guild that will farm it after killing

[sterile jackal]

since i'll have to do both leggos i will start with zold i think. Or is it better to craft 2x 190?

[hollow escarp]

if you are only gonna kill SLG once, you have a low chance to get shoulders

[lament mica]

needless to say it applies to a very low subset of the rogue population lol

u could get lucker tho

[shadow helm]

cant change my mind now

[slim heath]

u can still get it from the vault tho if u killed once

[hollow escarp]

true

[lament mica]

true

[shadow helm]

blizzard has a hardon for versa now

fuckin stupid

[paper bloom]

Nice armor

[hollow escarp]

Nice.

[naive rock]

I think I’m going to go necro just based on the cleave damage being better

[gloomy rover]

fuck venthyr. All my homies are going necro

[naive rock]

Freshcraft is a huge defensive as well

[slender berry]

ill wait until we see all the new bosses next tier which will come out in 3-4 months so plenty of time

[slender urchin]

Is doomblade fixed on ptr? I thought it was broken

[balmy condor]

yes

[fiery mauve]

But ya could swap now then swap again later

[slender urchin]

[slender berry]

ye i could but i wont

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/iHtnmSQ.png
i love gated systems

[twilit spear]

Guys for mithyc best coventant and leg?

[unreal fern]

boomkin nf

xD

[gentle gyro]

[subtle kiln]

you don’t need it until reset so...

[frigid sleet]

I feel all emotional having to leave my owl friend behind

[lament mica]

[slender berry]

the owl "friends" are all slaves so youll set him free

[hollow escarp]

that's what my warrior friend said when he went venthyr

[lament mica]

naw its back to the cruel ov erlords

[shut edge]

there are other factors which define the best cov & leg for m+ on top of sims right?

[frigid sleet]

I will never have what we had again

[cobalt flame]

Yeah fuck the switch for now. We are on 1% M Denathrius, no need to switch now. Guess I will wait for 9.1 and switch then if needed.

[kind walrus]

on the sims that is pinned there is no 2T sim or am i blind

[lament mica]

the slands info needs to be on top lul

ppl rnt scrolling

[grizzled owl]

Why does.necrolord looks better for cleave ?

[shadow helm]

how was sbs broken in beta

[fallow otter]

@balmy condor if nothing changes from ptr what would you craft for one sin legend

[teal bloom]

Are there many fights in castle nathria where you would take Doomblade over Zoldyck?

[lament mica]

[lament dove]

are the dungeon sims with Korayn? I thought wild hunt + first strike would make some difference in m+

[lament mica]

look at the pins people scroll down

[fallow otter]

it did redonkulous dmg

[balmy condor]

if I had to choose a single legendary, I would craft MA

[fallow otter]

ok what next i have that

[balmy condor]

doomblade

[shadow helm]

i ahve 190 ma wrist

lMAOO

zzz leggo

[hollow escarp]

I wanted to craft MA for necrotic wake, didn't do it yet

[hollow chasm]

are duskwalkers worth on sludge? I haven't seen anyone use them, but they seem like they fit the fight very well

[balmy condor]

basically my recommendation list is as follows:
if you have literally nothing - MA/Zold
if you only play sin in raid - Doom/Zold
if you don't pvp - Zold

once you have those

[hollow escarp]

not so many play sin still

[balmy condor]

you can spec into doom/dashing/other stuff

[deft fractal]

ITS A TRAP!!!!

[hollow escarp]

I know

will probably craft after doomblade to have on outlaw

and pvp on sub

[fallow otter]

haste what doomblade?

missives

[winter gale]

Will any or did any of u NF assass go for Venthyr from this week or most ppl will stay where they are?

[balmy condor]

haste crit on everything is perfectly fine

[balmy condor]

I swapped earlier this week

[surreal hawk]

im going venthyr after mondays raid night

[winter gale]

Ok

Ill go now

Raiding is my main goal and assa is my fave spec

[edgy notch]

@balmy condor what covenant are you currently on live and if you re not venthyr when do you change?

[winter gale]

Venthyr is my fave covenants

[edgy notch]

ah shit

[winter gale]

Covenant*

[sterile jackal]

btw what should i buy to transfer my anima to new covenant? Armors? I suppose items with grateful offerings are also good?

[hollow escarp]

wouldn't waste offerings

[winter gale]

I do play outlaw for mythic plus and Venthyr id worst of em all but fuck it

Is there something I should or need to do before starting to switch?

[hollow escarp]

say goodbye to your friends

[winter gale]

I have 5.6k anima

[hollow escarp]

probably just manage anima

[subtle kiln]

yeah choose Necrolords

[surreal hawk]

[hollow escarp]

my main issue is that I will need to swap my venthyr alt to night fae now

[winter gale]

Im going back to friends, this will be a return 😄

[hollow escarp]

so I have 1 rogue in each covenant

[lament mica]

BRUH

[ornate dawn]

All this covenant swapping is a massive pain in the arse

[odd heath]

Probably not changing from nf here. I play a lot of outlaw, even assassin being my main spec. And prog here is finished, so w/e haha

[hollow escarp]

well, it's never bad to get renown up on all covenants

[subtle kiln]

if you’re swapping make sure you have conduit energy available. that doesn’t reset.

[hollow escarp]

just in case you ever need to swap

[left abyss]

wait renown doesnt reset?

when u swap

[hollow escarp]

well

if I leave Night Fae now at 37, when I come back I should still have 37

[sterile jackal]

yup

[subtle kiln]

renown and anima go to zero on new cov. conduit energy (if you don’t have any) you cant use soulbinds.

[hollow escarp]

I think 31 is the max for character power upgrade

maybe the stamina buff is also good to have

so 35 is max for any sort of character progression, the rest is cosmetics

[ornate dawn]

Ya'll wait till they buff sepsis the week after

[lament dove]

just a note: anima and souls stays in the old covenant so if in the future you go back it will be there

[winter gale]

I am going back to Venthyr and I left somewhere arround 25 renown

[hollow escarp]

did you also finish campaign?

[winter gale]

I will continue from 25 renown now, it says like that there

Yes

[slender berry]

theres no going back !

[lament dove]

everything is as you left, even anima

[slender berry]

once you leave i wont let you guys come back to the tree

[hollow escarp]

I like that they don't reset

[ornate dawn]

THIS IS OUR TREE FORT NOW

[winter gale]

Just duuno about my 5.6k anima as I would LOVE to spend it on renown set, fuck companions 😄

[hollow escarp]

you also take neutral followers with you

[lament dove]

I'm tree now actually, if I will go back to anything it will be necro:)

[subtle kiln]

buy the weapon illusion

if you want to spend anima

idk

[winter gale]

Icy veins says I can buy items for anima and before I switch I sell em as they have 1hr refund

[merry fox]

Will DS be our first choice over Vigor with new Venthyr profile?

[winter gale]

I will now not lose it still as I will be NF until I finish quests

[balmy condor]

you should sim yourself when the patch goes live, but it's likely

[merry fox]

ok, ty)

[teal bloom]

If I craft Doomblade so I have both Zoldyck and Doomblade, in which Castle Nathria fights should I use Zoldyck?

[balmy condor]

sire for sure, and probably sun king (doomblade might be better for breaking the shield on mythic), slg, altimor, maybe inerva

[slender berry]

if you raid mythic id use zoldyck council and denathrius

[balmy condor]

council is a pretty good fight as well yeah

[sick scarab]

@balmy condor nice job 🙂

now i cry cause i want to stay night fae

[gentle gyro]

you can

[teal bloom]

Okay thanks 😄

[hollow escarp]

you don't have to move

[ornate dawn]

What slot you crafting doom on

[viral kite]

is venthyr the new top dog in general or just for ST for sin?

[gentle gyro]

👐

[viral kite]

i peeked the sims, still not entirely sure

[balmy condor]

everywhere in pve seems like

[viral kite]

mmkay, same for sub too?

[balmy condor]

looking good in sub as well, yes

[hollow chasm]

so nobody tried duskwalkers on sludge?

[viral kite]

im currently outlaw but i wanna play all 3 so im trying to gather all the info

[balmy condor]

I don't think anyone sane crafted dusk before the patch

[patent vine]

can anyone tell me if sin rogue is alive agian, im sick of dice

[balmy condor]

dusk didn't line up on sludge before the patch

[hollow chasm]

true tbh

[balmy condor]

yes

[slender berry]

Duskwalker is good for sludge after the buffs but unless you have to carry your guild I wouldn't craft it

[lament mica]

u could get #1 parse tho big dam

[vale marten]

so kow low vendetta cd are we talking with new dusk?

how*

[slender berry]

Vendetta on its own isn't that strong compared to a lot of other stuff on sludge fist , on use trinkets and vanish do alot more there

[lament mica]

who has the balls to craft it and parse it up?

[ornate dawn]

I think you just volunteered max?

Take one for the team

[hollow escarp]

eventually people will do it

[shy axle]

is the doomblade armor bug fixed on ptr?

[ornate raptor]

yeah take one for the team :p

[lament mica]

my guild is permastuck on council so that ain't me

plus i main feral ass is my alt

[ornate dawn]

Burn him

[ornate raptor]

i am really wondering if i should swap from NF to Venthyr , i also pvp and doesn't seem like an advantage

[muted ridge]

Those Venthyr changes come with 9.0.5 right?

[ornate raptor]

yeh

[hollow escarp]

yes

9 march

[muted ridge]

Nice, cheers.

[ornate raptor]

then again do i need NF to be awesome at pvp :p

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

1 min roughly

[lusty mountain]

do you guys think its worth to change venthyr before patch and farm renown?

[sick scarab]

raid bots sims are already wiht ptr changes ?

[ornate raptor]

i have the same thoughts

[vale marten]

1 min vendetta seems op af

[shy axle]

nice

i am hyped

[balmy condor]

you have to specifically sim for ptr in an advanced sim

[grizzled owl]

Things can still change. Wait

[rigid tartan]

you might look good on the meters on wednesday night if they dont change anything and you got it all setup with renown and conduit at 200 itemlevel atleast. i think they created a situation where the former kings kyrian and nightfae seem a bit too low and might buff them a bit to bring in line

[sick scarab]

so doomblade

mm

[worn geyser]

Venth def has more burst than any of the other covs for PvP as it exists rn in 9.0.5.

But sub does value getting a lot of resets and cross cc’ing which nf is good for

It’s hard to say

And without good mobility as assa rogue you might just get pummeled into the ground by melee cleaves

🤷‍♂️

[lament mica]

orc sephuz degeneracy is the way against that

[shy axle]

is the covenant specific conduit still deleted upon switching?

[sick scarab]

going to craft shoulders doomblades and gg

[hollow escarp]

not deleted but it's not accessible as you are not the respective covenant

so you will start with a 145 one

on the new covenant

[shy axle]

ah ok good to know

thanks

[twilit spear]

Vent for mythic sim nice but wowhead say no, why?

[balmy condor]

because it got reworked and these sims literally got implemented less than 9 hours ago

[rustic kiln]

is it possible to get full renown instantly on ptr ?

[frigid kestrel]

More often then not the discord rogue community will have updates on classes before wowhead updates them.

[hollow escarp]

wowhead is a a good place to check if you casually play an alt

[lament mica]

more often than not the person who updates the wowhead is a regular in the spec discord lol

in my experience

[bold tusk]

Is assassination back after the changes?

[north basin]

wait. so how do i get lashing scars today? being nightfae

[hollow escarp]

you need to be venthyr to get it

[lament mica]

u have to switch

[hollow escarp]

it's a quest reward from your first soulbind

[north basin]

so if i wont switch i need to wait 4 weeks ?

oh

thought world boss

[hollow escarp]

all world bosses drop 200 conduits

but Venari is the most safe upgrade

[lament mica]

with a .01% droprate

[hollow escarp]

I got them on my alt

[slender berry]

imagine not having 30k stygia saved up

[winter gale]

Does finishing a calling benefit towards comoleting that swapping quest?

[slender berry]

we are called the maw walker for a reason

[winter gale]

Completing*

[hollow escarp]

I never have more than 1900 stygia on me, I always upgrade conduits now until I get all 226

[north basin]

we get 226 from mythic raid next week do we?

[slender berry]

yea you can have full socket all 226 and 30k saved up tho

if you maw hard enough

[hollow escarp]

this was my first 226 potency conduit

[north basin]

sub is dead!

[balmy condor]

yikes you buy conduits?

AFTER THEY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WOULD DROP IN RAID?

[hollow escarp]

why yikes?

[balmy condor]

it's omega not worth dude

[hollow escarp]

well, I'm already done

[north basin]

any idea which boss drops 226 lashing scars?XD

[slender berry]

and after they announced stygia cant be used for anything else anway

[balmy condor]

mythic sire

[hollow escarp]

wait

[north basin]

no wai

[hollow escarp]

yeah, just gonna casually get that

[limber lion]

Just get all potency conduits from the raid other than that then just buy ven'ari upgrades for it ez

[balmy condor]

realistically a 213 lashing from heroic sire is going to give you the same dps

[hollow escarp]

I already have everything at 213

[sick scarab]

lashing is venthir ?

[north basin]

fuck iam jumping on that ventyr wagon this week before reset

[spice spire]

Yes

[hollow escarp]

idk if rushing is a good idea, unless you already wanted to move

[forest wing]

Do we have any reason to run zold in raid other than m denathrius now?

[north basin]

dont wana move - wana do highest dps on papper xD

[winter gale]

Well Zoldyck is all I have and I have no shit for doom yet

[balmy condor]

m+, sun king, etc

[winter gale]

Will play Zoldyck all the way up untill I get r4 doom

[hollow escarp]

I will only have 4610 soul ash this week

so can only craft next week

[forest wing]

Should be decent for sludge prog I guess as well, not sure tho

[north basin]

even on denatrius. if ur raid consistently on 30% in mythic - consider its done. like 10 of such pulls and he is dead. ur zoldyk wont contribute that much. gogo doomblade

[forest wing]

Ye I mean, I want to but I crafted zold r4 last week, Pepega

[north basin]

xD

[grim hornet]

how is assassination looking on raid after 9.0.5.? Yesterday i crafter r4 finality for sludgefist and when i woke up saw 9.0.5. is next week... and im scared as fuck that i did wrong choice 😦

[hollow escarp]

you guys don't do weekly torghast?

[north basin]

not enuf xD

need pvp leg assa leg sub leg outlaw leg.

versatile is the word

[forest wing]

^

[hollow escarp]

I have Finality, Celerity, Zoldyck and next week another one

Finality only rank 2 though

[north basin]

got 1500 ashes now. next week 2500. so half of doomblade already

r4

[hollow escarp]

you will have r4 when the tier is over

[north basin]

cant do table ashes for months, stupid nightfae bug with all mission being at 60+

(

maybe if i swap cov it will reset to reasonable level

[odd heath]

Same here, but all r4

Doomblade r4 in 2 weeks, got 3-3.5k soul Ash atm

[north basin]

still no catchup mechanics on these stupid ashes. like who is doing more than 3 legs. only rogues

[slender berry]

Alot of people are

[north basin]

so we suffer

[slender berry]

We actually have it good

[hollow escarp]

imagine playing warrior

[limber lion]

Plenty of people play more than just one spec

[shrewd iron]

druids

[slender berry]

Alot of specs need multiple legendaries for different situations on one specc

[limber lion]

Then they need completely different gear for healing, tanking and dps

[hollow escarp]

soulbinds as well

I find it annoying to swap 1 conduit when I play outlaw or sin in M+

haven't tried WPS in M+ in a while

[grim hornet]

oh seems like Whispyr did some sims for assa and sub. gonna wait for outlaw sims but... really fml with the r4 finality craft xD

[balmy condor]

[hollow escarp]

I mean

you can still play sub

like others played sin before the aura buffs

[grim hornet]

the thing is i hate sub

but it fits better for sludgefist progress

[hollow escarp]

I didn't enjoy it either that's why I swapped fast to outlaw after 2nd raid week

[grim hornet]

we killed council yesterday so i told to myself "sub it is"

went for finality

did like 30 mins of tries went to sleep

[faint harness]

why make it r4

its so expensive for what you get out of it

[hollow escarp]

for OCD personally

[grim hornet]

cause i didnt think i would need ashes for anything more

[faint harness]

i only have one r4 personally

rest are a bunch of 210/225

the effect is the biggest reason to get one

[hollow escarp]

probably the most efficient is like that