assassination

[pulsar sluice]

If you dieing to heroic sire ur spec not the problem

[bright turret]

outlaw can be hectic at times

[fiery mauve]

Track nothing, lists 3 things to track

[civic trellis]

boss timer is a thing for botth specs

[stoic needle]

That's harder than doing outlaw rotation imo

[burnt star]

well they also fixed outlaw count the odd

[civic trellis]

?

[vivid tulip]

Nah, not me. But people kept dying

[burnt star]

doesnt lose gained buff from cto proc anymore when u lose orignal roll

[fiery mauve]

You said you track nothing as subt but then said you watch for sd sod snd rupture

So my bad, 4 things

[vivid tulip]

Just that it’s irritating to keep having to hammer away at the keys and find out u randomly wipe too many times haha

[civic trellis]

tracking a thing once each 25 secs

Is not trackingg

[stoic needle]

It kinda is

[civic trellis]

Looking constantly at your cds to recast them, it is

[fiery mauve]

So sd and sod are cds

[civic trellis]

Just look at cpm outlaw vs sub

[fiery mauve]

No?

[knotty pumice]

so atm rogue is not pretty good on the MM Raid i have fucking good parse but i still almost the last dps on my roster

[stoic needle]

Outlaw is just : do you have an opportunity proc? Do you have broadsides? Finish on 4, use CDs on CD

[civic trellis]

same effort right

[balmy condor]

whenever koji/mystler have a minute

[bright turret]

you have to pay attention to those things every gcd though

which can be hectic on harder fights

[civic trellis]

^

[bright turret]

sub i can just mash bs while watchiung other stuff 2/3rds of the time

[fiery mauve]

Can’t the same thing be said about subt

You use sd and sod at wrong time

There goes your damage haha

[bright turret]

you just glance at timers when SoD is about to come off

[civic trellis]

Its just one cd xD

[fiery mauve]

One cd that has to be used at right time

[civic trellis]

each 30 secs

[fiery mauve]

So now you’re tracking boss fight abilities

[stoic needle]

The thing is that even if you screw up those things on outlaw you don't lose that much, but if you screw up even once on sub you do dogshit damage

[civic trellis]

caring about 1 cd eachh 30 secs

[fiery mauve]

To know when to use it

[civic trellis]

are you kidding me, lol

[fiery mauve]

No

I’m not

[civic trellis]

when you can just macro sd with symbols

[fiery mauve]

If you use sdance and sod and then have to move

There goes your cool down

And your damage

[civic trellis]

Well, that means you dont know the boss

[bright turret]

yea sub is more punishing when you make mistakes, but outlaw you're going to have a lot more opportunities for mistakes

[fiery mauve]

But then you also have to track boss abilities no?

[civic trellis]

Doessnt have to do with the spec

[brittle pawn]

if you use <insert any cd in game here> and have to move, there goes your cd and your damage

[bright turret]

and outlaw requires paying more attention constantly

[brittle pawn]

see how that works

[fiery mauve]

Not just the “nothing to track as subt” mentality

[civic trellis]

Well, same happens with ghostly strike

and BTE

[stoic needle]

Not really

[young idol]

blizzard probably had PvP in mind when designing Sub back in the day

[stoic needle]

As long as you use bte and gs on cd you get at least an 80 parse

[pulsar sluice]

I mean hemo sub has always been a thing back then

[civic trellis]

@young idol sub has always been a pvp spec

at least until cata times

[buoyant mauve]

"The buff from envenom is not being effected by pandemic" sound good?

[stoic needle]

There isn't such a thing as a pvp spec anymore

[stoic needle]

Yesss

[young idol]

yea thats what im sayin back in vanilla

[civic trellis]

Rofl, bs

[stoic needle]

It's not bs

[young idol]

every class had a pvp/pve/leveling spec way back then

[stoic needle]

If you want to parse 90%+ you have to maximize those damage windows but otherwise you don't have to do anything except make sure you don't miss casts of them

[young idol]

as deemed by the community and tuning ofc

[low girder]

this iteration of sub was designed in legion though

[buoyant mauve]

Job's done

[fiery mauve]

Whatever dudes

We’re venthyr soon

[summer cedar]

Sorry but I didn't see a pin for this. Is necro gonna be a decent covenant for pve?

[manic harness]

I'm venthyr now

[fiery mauve]

We’ll have a decent cov mog now

[young idol]

thats why i picked ven at launch lol.. i knew it would be BiS later

[stoic needle]

Doesn't matter if you gs or Bte right before a mechanic as outlaw because you used it

[fiery mauve]

Are u a masochist

[stoic needle]

That's more important

[fiery mauve]

A whole forever as venthyr by choice

[young idol]

just the executioner

[young pebble]

Don't sleep on Necro tho I think we're in for a surprise in the next couple of days

[buoyant mauve]

I did the same thing, but I didn't hold

[young pebble]

When more people test it and sim

[young idol]

ven also bis tmog ok

[stoic needle]

Venthyr exiles wya

[cyan echo]

just made the swap

fuqq it

[manic harness]

same

[cyan echo]

time to farm renown

[bright turret]

Need those fresh sims to start venthyr or mald grind asap

[stoic needle]

I have to do another quest

[polar willow]

new to rogue from MM, should i hold off building 1st leggo?

[pulsar sluice]

I like venthyr aestheti the most but i do pvp here and then so i think ill stick NF for now

[buoyant mauve]

I went ven>kyr>nf and now I'm hoping necro won't be best since I'll at least be at 21 renown with ven still

[stoic needle]

Build Zoldyck and then doomblade

[shell ivy]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[stoic needle]

Mastery is for true chads who love big envenoms

[young idol]

you can really sink your teeth into them

[buoyant mauve]

in cata I used to use a gcd during vendetta on shiv to get to 5cp's just before a cold blood envenom lol

[stoic needle]

I miss cold blood being a sin pve talent

[tacit forum]

I thought first to go Venthyr but then I experienced how bad the zone is to navigate

I gave up

Can’t deal with so many up n down. Waiting elevators

[young pebble]

But flying eventually

[tacit forum]

Well 3 months and we can’t fly lol

[strange python]

Wheres the sims.

[tacit forum]

And I see soulshape=100000 extra dmg

Too good to let it pass lol

[stoic needle]

The sims are on vacation

[fleet anchor]

So, after spending some time testing. Unless something super amazing comes out of APL testing tomorrow, it seems doubtful Necro will overtake Venthyr or Night Fae with these changes.

It will be really close, but probably won't overtake, even with Doomblade

[limpid blaze]

can anyone hit me with the 3 biggest things not to screw up with assass (which aren't totally obvious) ?? basically the first things to look at in logs to min/max

[brittle pawn]

dont die

[peak solstice]

has anyone taken look at the 9.0.5 necrolord buffs? is it actually going to be viable for assa?

[limpid blaze]

im fucked then

[brittle pawn]

but no KS so its ez

[stoic needle]

97%+ rupture, garotte and snd uptime, using shiv vendetta, and your cov ability on CD, and not overcapping CP

That's literally it lol

[limpid blaze]

how important is energy pooling for shiv

[fleet anchor]

🤣

[strange python]

Fucking always that one guy

Thanks @fleet anchor

❤️

[buoyant mauve]

having soulshape up for shattering pain whenever shadowstep is on cd is just 🤌

[peak solstice]

how did you test it?

[cyan echo]

holy fucking shit i forgot to do the refund anima strat before swapping

rip 15k anima

LMAO

[stoic needle]

Not very. If you want to try to pool, don't cast envenom until you're about to overcap on energy(outside of shiv). If you follow that rule you will naturally pool for shiv

[fleet anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-shia-labeouf-snl-skit-fingers-gif-4860090

[frozen karma]

Refund anima strat?

[burnt star]

wait.. WHAT strat

[fleet anchor]

I will be doing some more testing when it hits raidbots since local sims make me cry a little. But it didn't seem immediately stronger once soulbinds and stuff were all added up. Will be in for nightly.

[cyan echo]

u just buy a bunch of items from ur quartermaster swap then sell them to the vendor

boys

[frozen karma]

makes sense, ty

[limpid blaze]

cool, already doing that but a disc priest called me garbage today (ex. rogue) when watching so now i'm second guessing myself

[cyan echo]

dont be like me

[burnt star]

u sell to the new vendor i presume

in this exemple the vent vendor

[fleet anchor]

But at the very least, Necro isn't gonna be like 3% behind anymore lol

[burnt star]

i hate necro asthetic

and venthyr flagg looks fun

[buoyant mauve]

I've got 5k anima waiting for me back at venthyr

[burnt star]

so happy they are ahead 😉

• happy to be back assa for s.t raiding!

[indigo mulch]

I hope necrolords will be ahead. It's the only o e I have not played so far.

[peak solstice]

if Necro isn't overtaking the other two covenants, then there's no point to switch. it only pigeon holds you to playing one spec

[stoic needle]

It's a judgement call. Sometimes you want to stop pooling and slam an envenom or two because the mob is gonna die

[buoyant mauve]

"not overcapping cp" unless it's for a shiv, right?

[young pebble]

Shiv at max CP is fine

[stoic needle]

Yep

[limpid blaze]

aye, thinking for bosses, in general i just sit and pool and play it super slow. refresh envenom at like 1 sec uptime

[stoic needle]

Yeah that's the way to do it

It's a hard habit for me to get into after playing outlul

[limpid blaze]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JfXpvZC6AyN8QKkz#fight=82&source=17&type=damage-done first crack at assa since legion today

[stoic needle]

Envenom isn't pandemicing anymore sadly

Go to the ptr and bug report it

[limpid blaze]

felt like it only had a mini pandemic before?

so you gotta refresh at 0.1 now or?

[sharp falcon]

pandemic is only 30% so for relatively short buffs it's not going to be mind blowing, but still

[brittle pawn]

it's a 6s duration, gonna be mini

[low girder]

it was like 100 dps loss when we found out about it

[stoic needle]

It's still a pretty noticeable dps loss on sims

[low girder]

it's not nothing

[simple igloo]

I hate that there are no crafted weapons. Leveled to 60 as Outlaw, want to switch to Assassination, and the only reasonably priced weapons I can get are 131 greens

[stoic needle]

Just do some pvp

Ez 200 daggers

[low girder]

you get a 187 weapon at the end of your campaign also, assuming you didn't get that for an outlaw weapon

[brittle pawn]

shouldve had a dagger for outlaw oh anyway

[tacit forum]

If you suck at pvp just like me it will be 197 😂

[stoic needle]

You can get conquest from bgs though

[brittle pawn]

you dont need rating for conquest

[low girder]

yeah

only to upgrade

[tacit forum]

Too long to find it

[dense hamlet]

or too lazy

[wide ridge]

considering you're in a single target situation, using new SBS, your first sbs would give you 2cp and the following ones would also give 2cp right

[indigo mulch]

Just spam rbgs

[fiery mauve]

Your first sbs should be 1 cp unless crit

[viral kite]

anyone got any feelycraft covenant rankings for next patch?

[stoic needle]

venthyr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fae = necro >>>>>> kyrian

because style = bis

[spice spire]

Give it a few days and you might see full numbers

[dense hamlet]

[spice spire]

The koolaid is strong with osh

[stoic needle]

[low girder]

how is necro equal to fae in style when fae has soulshape

[viral kite]

started fae, went venth, then went kyrian after i had like 2 glasses of wine the other night

[low girder]

wtf

[viral kite]

now im just sittin here like fuk i shoulda not done that

[stoic needle]

you done fucked up son

[viral kite]

trust me ik

[spice spire]

Isn’t fleshcraft getting hella bumped in 9.0.5?

[viral kite]

oh yeah.

[stoic needle]

yeah it is

[viral kite]

gonna be gross...

bis for prog possibly lmao

[brittle pawn]

picking covenant for a defensive

[viral kite]

it could happen

[shadow helm]

DOOMBLADE NECRO GANG??

[spice spire]

Hold on doomblade before they fix sims. Dashing could be bis for single target

[shadow helm]

fucj that noise dashing so boring

[stoic needle]

doomblade is fixed @spice spire

on ptr

[slow marsh]

What's that nutty sludge build?

[spice spire]

On sims?

[stoic needle]

i dont think they ever updated them to reflect the bug

[spice spire]

Wait I’m confused. Was it a bug? I thought the double armor thing was intended?

[balmy condor]

wat

[spice spire]

Am I lit?

[balmy condor]

yes

bleeds ignore armor

and always have

[tribal marlin]

yes ofc I did Xymog as sub during prog

[spice spire]

Okay. So it’s fixed now? It’s been a long day, and usually I’m troll-y but I’m probably overthinking.
Sims are correct on Doomblade?

[civic trellis]

oh i mean on mythic, the last weeks

[spice spire]

Or under thinking

[low girder]

the sims were assuming without the bug afaik

so they should be correct

[shadow helm]

doomblade necro gang poggers

[bold hearth]

Uh pins say doomblade is simming 75 dps higher than intended

[spice spire]

So it was a bug, and is now fixed? Got it! Sorry about that

[tribal marlin]

yeah I did it blast

I'm testing Venthyr Sub rn

not the channel

but it's GIGA burst damage

it's crazy

and I don't even have Deeper dagger

[wide ridge]

inb4 flag nerf for pvp just like ret's kyrian thing

[shadow helm]

sub lols!!!

there goes my plan for a venth rogue

back to necro we go

[dense seal]

anybody run the numbers on the new doomblade + necrolord combo

[fiery mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/817252479141675028/unknown.png

[tribal marlin]

mmmg

[pulsar sluice]

i need help bros

my dmg is ass

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w1HpDaZtQ24bymhF/#fight=16&type=damage-done&source=23

[dense seal]

thanks luis save me a ctrl f

[fleet anchor]

Sims were updated days ago

[stoic needle]

oh okay

is there a changelog somewhere?

[balmy condor]

github

commits

[shadow helm]

me wait for whispyrs holy w0rd

[fleet anchor]

So is it or is it not accounting for armor on PTR right now?

I'm seeing multiple different comments about this. 😛

[tribal marlin]

bug has been fixed @fleet anchor

It's no longer affected by armor and is just 45% of mutilate damage

looks like it still amplified by Sinfull Revelation tho

[stoic needle]

this looks fine to me

[fleet anchor]

Huh

[tribal marlin]

(and I reported it !)

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I was gonna ask about that

[pulsar sluice]

damn you think so?

[tribal marlin]

I reported it for Sinful but they fixed the armor and not this

[fleet anchor]

Ok I'll change it then

[tribal marlin]

this also mean it's highly probablyt that Doomblade dot get amplified by things like Sludgefist Amp

[fleet whale]

i mean is that really a bug?

seems intentional to me

[fleet anchor]

Yes

Residuals shouldn't be amp'd

[stoic needle]

yeah i mean you didn't overcap any CP, didn't miss any vendetta / vanish casts, had good rupture and garotte and snd uptime

[fleet anchor]

It's a pure double dip if they do

[stoic needle]

what do you think is wrong with it

[fleet anchor]

None of the other residuals in the game get affected by target modifiers

For that reason

[pulsar sluice]

feel like my dmg is dog poop

[fleet anchor]

It'll probably be hotfixed as soon as there is some pog Sludgefist parse

[manic harness]

I send whispyr sweet nothings while he's in mists

[fleet anchor]

lol

[manic harness]

no response

[tribal marlin]

Well I reported it already on the bug list

in game as well

tho they know it

[manic harness]

he's in TOP now, bless him

also someone earlier said you get renown for heroics?

[balmy condor]

yep

[civic trellis]

On ptr?

Lets go to sub channel

[livid temple]

So is doomblade actually a good pick now or is zold still just too strong?

[balmy condor]

doomblade good

[spice spire]

Ur good whispyr

[indigo mulch]

So no pitchfork needed this time?

There is still time.

[livid temple]

Will doomblade be the best pick for raiding now or will zold still be bis?

[bold hearth]

So are the linked Mystler sims in the pins the most accurate currently given they've fixed the doomblade bug and haven't nerfed lashing scars?

[indigo mulch]

I'm more curious about 2~3 target cleave since that seams to be the new thing for blizzard. Everything is add fights :c

[lament mica]

CN has a lot more ST than nyalotha

[indigo mulch]

The important bosses are still cleave of doom tho

Sludge being the one that we ignore. :c

[lament mica]

SLG is a shitshow, but sire p3 which is the most important part of the fight by far is ST

idk

blizz loves their adds, but CN feels a lot better for ST to me

[indigo mulch]

How does dashing and doomblade do on cleave tho?

[spice spire]

I can say from experience Doomblade feels bad on over 3 targets. Before three feels fine

[lament mica]

even fights like lady/council which aren't strictly ST, really value ST damage for phasing

[fiery mauve]

But my padding

[lament mica]

boomies smoke u in overall but ur doing ur job

ya lol

[naive rock]

think we are going to have to play outlaw and sin in the raid?

[indigo mulch]

Boomies are funny, they press one button and do 9k sustained on mythic council lol

[livid temple]

Wait so if I'm going Sin in raid which legendary should I craft? I've got zold already but is doomblade or dashing looking like the new bis?

[lament mica]

I don't believe in the idea that a harder spec should = better results cuz thats shit game design, but boomy is wayyyy too easy for how broken it is

literally baby's first caster

but still jjust insane

[spice spire]

Both look great on sims. You can check pins for full outline of covenants/legendaries 🙂

[naive rock]

wait have the sims for new patch come out?

[balmy condor]

no

[indigo mulch]

They said something about checking the APL tomorrow right? D:

So after that i assume the sims will roll in ;o

[shadow helm]

nice

need cdr on that dagger bro

[sharp falcon]

nice

[livid temple]

@spice spire ahhh cool, I know it says the doomblade one was bugged so I wasn't sure which was bis

[spice spire]

I’d hold off until they do final sims for covenant/legendaries

But both dashing and doom both seem good

[fiery mauve]

It seems doom venthyr is pog atm for ST

[plain jewel]

so are we losing the 10% energy regen from slice and dice on tuesday?

[livid temple]

Okay sweet, yeah I'm sitting on like 6k soulash and it seems like my Sub dream is dead so I might as well embrace the poison Bois, better than those pirates XD

[fleet anchor]

Play Outlaw 😛

[trim zinc]

dont u have to use DS and MfD??

[indigo mulch]

@fleet anchor I could but i really don't enjoy it lol

[lament mica]

losing the SnD buff in exchange for higher energy regen from bleeds, right?

which is power neutral i think

[trim zinc]

ya

[livid temple]

Doesn't Sin struggle using the new Venthyr? I know sin doesn't get as many CP to spend without a bit of luck vs something like outlaw or Sub?

[fleet anchor]

(It's reeeally hard for even Assassination to come close to Outlaw on 2/3T cleave)

[shadow helm]

cant choose nec or venth

[trim zinc]

thats why MFD or DS

[lament mica]

ya 12 seconds isn't a lot of time for sin to use cp

just gotta pool and setup for it i guess

[trim zinc]

i can be wrong tho

[fleet anchor]

But Assassination should be pretty clearly better at ST now anyway

[livid temple]

Ohhh okay so if you go venthyr the build also changed up a bit

[balmy condor]

hey guys here, new sbs sims? necro good?

[fleet anchor]

Go away

[balmy condor]

[trim zinc]

lol

[fleet anchor]

Khispyr strikes again

[indigo mulch]

lol

[balmy condor]

I finished my keys koji

go implement so I can sim

[livid temple]

I honest am excited though to see how new necro / doomblade looks, could be pretty Pog

[fleet anchor]

I've already implemented everything

[balmy condor]

oh

so I can sim now?

[lean fossil]

@balmy condor update those pins!!!!

[balmy condor]

is for me?

[fleet anchor]

No, you have to wait 30 minutes for raidbots nightly

[indigo mulch]

lol

[lean fossil]

so i can ask you what i should make and then you can refer me to pins 😄

[balmy condor]

fuck you I'll get the commit myself

[low girder]

meditation time

[balmy condor]

you aren't my dad

[fleet anchor]

Go ahead!

[tidal gorge]

Regardless of necro buff, you lose dps from the horrible set transmog so vampy boys look better to me

[fleet anchor]

Sim locally

Heat your home!

[indigo mulch]

RIP pc.

[balmy condor]

it'll be done by the time raidbots updates

[lean fossil]

@little cove how do you know im not your dad?!

[balmy condor]

F

another fake whispyr lost to the pings

[low girder]

rip that guy

[fleet anchor]

[low girder]

[balmy condor]

oh wait fuck I have prepared singing I need to do

[fleet anchor]

tldr is probably that no, Necro isn't better

[lean fossil]

let it out lol

[fleet anchor]

But not 100% sure until I check some more things

[shadow helm]

i already have the containment pack

[split maple]

vampy boi assassins come tuesday probs. OBOI.

[shadow helm]

thats 100 dps inc for assass

[balmy condor]

wait

this is a lot of homework

hold on

[fleet anchor]

I've got a better idea

[low girder]

[fleet anchor]

I'm just gonna stay Night Fae

And do nothing

🙂

[low girder]

that'd be great

thank you

[lean fossil]

im going to stay night fae and continue to get carried

because fuck work

[low girder]

fae is bis as is the way

[fleet anchor]

Swapping Covenant for like 0.6% DPS even with the op Conduit is like.. way too much effort tbh

[tidal gorge]

I'm currently Kyrian but patch will be the trigger for me to finally swap since it's so bad for sin comparatively. And screw chasing those stupid orbs every time I use ER

[fleet anchor]

And Flag does like negative damage in AoE for Outlaw so whatevs

[low girder]

if it was like 2% over fae i'd swap but yeah same boat basically

[lament mica]

switching covs is so annoying, thats why i just rolled my rogue venthyr like a moron with a dream lol

[low girder]

korayn so nice on my SLG prog anyway

[balmy condor]

[shadow helm]

whats the OP CONDUWIT

[balmy condor]

due in 2:30 hours

yep

[hardy wind]

i got flamed super bad at the start of the xpac when i went venthyr bc we needed one in my m+ group and at least now i don't have like 30+ levels of renown to catch up on

[lament mica]

why would anyone flame u for that, all rogue covs are dog

[last cedar]

Renown isn't hard to get at all anyway

[lament mica]

unless u mean first weeks kyrian

[stoic needle]

swapping covenant for 0.6 dps gain and bis aesthetics gain... worth

[split maple]

the aesthetics gain +1000%

[indigo mulch]

Everyone knows the better mog you have the more dps you do.

[hardy wind]

I was fae for the first week and swapped because vampire is cool and at least my worthless cov ability was red and not fairy flavor

[indigo mulch]

Thats how it works.

[fleet anchor]

I didn't realize we were talking about swapping to Night Fae, my bad

🤣

[low girder]

i can't be a cat as venthyr

📉

[fleet anchor]

Dude I honestly couldn't live with myself having to go to Revendreth more than once a week

Until we get flying

It's just not an option

[shadow helm]

lashing scars op??

[stoic needle]

idk it'snot that bad

[low girder]

the hall sucks to navigate also

[split maple]

Revendreth is Bloodborne the Zone with -30% level design from that game.

[fleet anchor]

I was Venthyr all beta on my Demon Hunter

[last cedar]

bloodborne has ass map design anyway lmao

[fleet anchor]

And hated every damn minute of it

The zone is trash

[stoic needle]

wtf

thats ezmode you have double jump and glide

[low girder]

the art is great, everything else sucks

lol

[split maple]

and somehow the layout of Revendreth is even worse Bolly

that's my point

[stoic needle]

i just jump off of things and shadowstep to save myself fall dmg

[buoyant mauve]

honestly losing out on soulshape/first strike/podtender worries me since I like to do a lot of different content and I don't know much about ven soulbinds aside from nadjia

[last cedar]

👍 true

[manic harness]

Uhh is Assassin's Creed good? I've never played that game because I've been too addicted to WoW for 15 years and I really want to be an assassin simulator

[tidal gorge]

I put all the 5 ruby bats on my map, they're decent shortcuts

[last cedar]

soulshape is so poggers for pve content

[buoyant mauve]

play mgs

[last cedar]

I can't imagine not having it

[shadow helm]

OK FURRY

[fleet anchor]

Also I couldn't be a Fun Guy

And that's the most important thing

[low girder]

i should use that title more

[stoic needle]

ruby bats?

the mirrors really made revendreth easier to navigate for me

[fleet anchor]

Marasmius deserves my loyalty, best character in the Shadowlands

[tidal gorge]

5-ruby bats, there's a few of them sprinkled around that will quickly take you over lots of huge canyons and stuff between walls

[shadow helm]

would maim,mangle increase doomblade dps

[fleet anchor]

Yes

[stoic needle]

tubbins & gubbins > marasimus

it's still shit even with doomblade sadly

[fleet anchor]

I mean it's not better than WPS

But if we get into a double potency situation at some point for non-Venthyr, it's probably better than Lethal Poisons for ST with Doomblade

[tidal gorge]

I'm so glad I have enough ash saved up for whatever r4 I want. 😄

[lament mica]

flag conduit is better than WPS right?

[tribal marlin]

Flag conduit is very high dps for a conduit yes

[lament mica]

thats pog but im gonna miss fat envenoms

[shadow helm]

why lashing scars get so much per ilvl bro

BROKEN

[lament mica]

i wonder wat boss is gonna drop it in CN

if its sire ima rage

[stoic needle]

i'd have to sim it but i'd imagine double potency theotar is competitive with wasteland propriety

[shadow helm]

guess its venth

[fleet anchor]

Probably

[shadow helm]

fuckin op conduit

[fleet anchor]

Hard to say though

[tribal marlin]

Sire

[fleet anchor]

I know it is for Outlaw, but CtO is also very strong so that plays into it

[lament mica]

ur gonna make me rage

[fleet anchor]

I've never seen a 226 Conduit drop in Mythic this whole tier

So I'm not expecting a miracle

[indigo mulch]

Really now D:

[shadow helm]

i have 3

on my dk

LMAO

[lament mica]

I've had one drop

but the 213 from heroic coud be nice

heroic condis drop like mad for me

[tidal gorge]

I got 1 or 2 and then I leveled everything up thru stygia 😐 Those 5 billion runs back and forth sucked

[lament mica]

i am not doing the maw on another character, u can't make me shit is way too awful

[indigo mulch]

I refused to do it on my WW monk, if my guild bullies me into playing WW for a tier they can't expect me to do the grind again :c

[shadow helm]

CANT CHOOSE

VENTH OR NEC

[indigo mulch]

O

[tidal gorge]

When in doubt, transmog it out

[balmy condor]

necro is yucky and everyone who plays it is wrong

[lament mica]

so many cp

[shadow helm]

sbs is so fun to play

emeni free stats

[torn atlas]

DoS>Fleshcraft. Bat cave > diabetic ulcer

[shadow helm]

then you have venth's broken conduit

[torn atlas]

It's an easy win for venth

[shadow helm]

gets so much per ilvl

[stoic needle]

you also have their brokenly op transmog

who the FUCK doesn't want a CAPE made of DAGGERS?!

that transmog was literally made for us

[slow marsh]

up to 69 parse from 64 on sire with lag and no duelist conduit. I'd say thats a win

[torn atlas]

If I started the return to old cov quest like 3 weeks ago and was too lazy to complete it til now, do I need to wait til reset to start the second step?

[split veldt]

all the other classes get a wall of text for torgast changes, meanwhile rogue still has the most boring shit ever

why blizz hate rogue this xpac

[buoyant mauve]

did unceasing chain link get fixed yet?

[low girder]

a long time ago yeah

[buoyant mauve]

nice

[shadow helm]

wat u mean bro

just get first steps

[livid temple]

I was originally venthyr then I went kyrian, so now I gotta do the switch back quest :( feels bad man

[tidal gorge]

My only regret leaving kyrian is that I'm like 8k anima away from doing all the stuff to unlock the purple set

[manic harness]

Goth teaparties with all the hottest dudes vs Oedipus Complex live featuring Thrall and his mom

HMMMMM

[shadow helm]

WHEN SIMS

[buoyant mauve]

wait what?

[livid temple]

If I'm gonna go back venthyr when should I start the 'im really sowwy' quest?

[manic harness]

Today

[balmy condor]

WHEN HOMEWORK DONE PLS IM STRESSED

[manic harness]

You have to wait until the flowing reset to do the apology quest part 2

Following*

[lament mica]

it hought they changed it to be time based rahter than reset based

[trim zinc]

DONT GET STRESSED PLS OR IMMA TALK ABOUT SCALLING
HAHAHAH

<#

<3***

[manic harness]

It's both

The second part of rejoining a covenant quest will not spawn for 2 days after completing part 1

And it will not spawn within the same reset

[tidal gorge]

And you can swap the first time for free tho right?

[manic harness]

Yes

[trim zinc]

so saturday is the best day?

[lament mica]

oh ok cool that makes sense

[manic harness]

But rejoining is harder and takes more time

[buoyant mauve]

today at 2:47 am is best time to swap cov iirc, right @balmy condor ?

[manic harness]

I would say just to do it now to get started on Renown and Soulbinds

Remember you will be significantly weaker without Soulbinds

And your hp significantly less without renown

[balmy condor]

correct, any sooner and you lose 40% dps, any later and you die instantly

[lament mica]

NF soulbinds are juicy too

[torn atlas]

lol

[lament mica]

going from NF to venthyr don't feel go

good

[manic harness]

Flag is gonna be really good tho lol

Plus I'm tired of all the artsy theater kids in Ardenweald

Bring on the goth tea parties

[spiral escarp]

So is venthir going to be bis for dungeons too or is it only ST?

[manic harness]

Only st

[shadow helm]

i mean all covenants are st anyway lmaoooo

ecept sbs i guess

[manic harness]

Well here's the thing to consider imo

[spice spire]

Venthyr is also top per pins. Theotar is excellent in aoe

[manic harness]

Assassination has a niche right now with the patch

[lament mica]

ya, flag is gonna make it worth it. NF soulbinds are just broken, not even the abilities but the trees themselves. 2 potency/2endurance setups

venthyr forces so much finesse

[torn atlas]

What does the second part involve? Is it just more the same as the first part?

[shadow helm]

recup is the only good endurance anyway

[buoyant mauve]

cheaper feint is nice

[lament mica]

the stealth shield one is really good for pvp but i knwo u mean pve

[spiral escarp]

Lol sorry I came to check on the assa legendary and forgot I’m not in the outlul channel. Apologies:)

[manic harness]

Just ewpwat the same quest really

[spice spire]

It’s not even the conduits that make nf good. A lot of the abilities are just very good. Niya has burrs and herbs.
And korayn is also excellent

[manic harness]

Repeat*

[lament mica]

ya its both. great trees and abilities

[manic harness]

Wait what makes Theotar so good in aoe???

[lament mica]

and all 3 are usable

for diff content so u can save ur stonie green things that shouldn't exist

[pseudo pilot]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[shadow helm]

OUTDATED COWNTENT?

[torn atlas]

yeah sweet, bum rush a couple of dungeons and should be sorted then

[shadow helm]

fuck sepsis ruins my keybinds

[spiral escarp]

So for Assa is it zoldyck or the dashing scoundrel that’s bis? I have saved some ash and wanna make a legendary for raids.

[manic harness]

Zol or Doomblade

[spiral escarp]

Heard that doomblade is buggy

Is it fixed?

[manic harness]

Yes

Fixed on ptr

[lament mica]

wat is the current bug outta curiousity

[spiral escarp]

I see thanks. And do I loose my ash if I don’t craft a lege now

[manic harness]

The bleed was bring affected by armor

[shadow helm]

no

[manic harness]

And thus doing lower deeps

[lament mica]

[tight ravine]

so waita

[lament mica]

thats wild how much better it is, i didn't know bout the bug somehow

[tight ravine]

sepsis or flag?

[young pebble]

I've never swapped covs before... how long will it take to get back to 38 renown?

[indigo mulch]

2 weeks maybe?

[manic harness]

Not even close

Depends how long it takes you to finish the campaign

[pseudo pilot]

which cov is everyone swapping to

[manic harness]

Then do heroic dungeons and callings for renown levels

[lament mica]

i had a shit ton of success getting renonwn from RBGs

like every other win gives renown

[manic harness]

Everyone is going to the covenant they like

Because they're all really close

Like extraordinarily close

[trim zinc]

not true

[manic harness]

Well except for that guy ^

[trim zinc]

the one that gives u more dps

[manic harness]

I'm going the one with the pretty dress

Actually

[trim zinc]

like venthyr look is sick anyways

[young pebble]

genuinely feel like sticking with Kyrian just because of aesthetics and ER is just nice and simple up-front damage... plus phial

[manic harness]

Then do that

[shadow helm]

ANGEL ROGUES OMEGA LOL

[manic harness]

You'll gain less than 1% dps by switching most likely

Getting like 1 extra Envenom crit will offset your covenant choice

[trim zinc]

and if u swap covenant and crit hehe

[young pebble]

yeah but

[mild flame]

may i ask if there is an updated sim on necro?

[trim zinc]

alliance ew

[tribal marlin]

so so cuuuute

[trim zinc]

like @tribal marlin is a nelf so its okay but not gnomes or worgens pls

❤️

[indigo mulch]

I love the kyrian mog D;

[tidal gorge]

The aesthetic ain't too bad

[lament mica]

phial is nice for rogues thats factuals

[young pebble]

also if Venthyr and Necro get megalove then Kyrian buffs 9.1 confirmed

[lament mica]

i bet tht ability stays trash rest of xpac cuz of the first weeks ptsd

[shadow helm]

have fun chasing that one combo point

LMAO

[manic harness]

Listen

All I'm saying is

Is bis transmog

Worth 1000 dps

[young pebble]

if it happens it happens, not worth chasing

[buoyant mauve]

isn't mechagnome bis race for a sizable chunk of specs, including mut? or is there something else about horde racials that aren't showing me the whole picture

[manic harness]

I can't wait to be a hot vampire bitch

[young pebble]

but when the stars align and you can refresh a rupture on your 2nd animcharged then feelsgood

[buoyant mauve]

that plus I would think the auto heal at low % would help with prog

[trim zinc]

ur right, but alliance ew

[dark vigil]

do u guys wonder if they fixed exsang working with sbs on their deployment for tuesday

will be funny if they didnt

[lament mica]

mechagnome is a discusting abomination that is only bis at getting camped by me when i see 1

[young pebble]

lmao you can bet your first born that's gonna be fixed

[dark vigil]

yeah itll be fixed but do u think itll go live first

before it gets fixed quickly

[young pebble]

no

[dark vigil]

thats the real question

[young pebble]

won't make it to live

no way no how

[dark vigil]

i wouldn't be surprised

[young pebble]

it's just WAY too broken

[torn atlas]

I believe you mean /spit

[tribal marlin]

it's already fixed on the PTR

[dark vigil]

o

[manic harness]

Have you guys ever wondered why the poison spec is named Assassination and the burst spec is called Subtlety?

[dark vigil]

blizzard.jpeg

[trim zinc]

like alliance isnt the problem, worgens and gnomes r
;-;

[young pebble]

Subtlety in vanilla was actually kinda about being subtle and stuff

But yeah now the name doesn't really make sense

Just call it like... Shadow or something idk

[trim zinc]

and they have like what 3 source***of shadow dmg?

[young pebble]

fonts?

[trim zinc]

sorry

like, talking in one language and typing here in another is kinda hard

[torn atlas]

Shadow blade?

[balmy condor]

It’s a slow assassination

[manic harness]

Hey so

[young pebble]

new assassin rogue ability: poison soulstone, summons stones that look like rock locks but actually drain HP for your party

[manic harness]

Why is Theotar so good for aoe?

[dark vigil]

you could also consider zoldyck to be the theme for assassination rogue since u wanna burst their asses when they get low to assassinate and finish em off

[torn atlas]

And Subtlety is a loud and hectic burst of quiet dps

[trim zinc]

so zold baseline confirmed?? LMAO

[dark vigil]

if only

[tidal gorge]

Ya, you can barely hear the ability sound when you cast shadow strike

[balmy condor]

Not really that great, it’s roughly equal to nadjia, but the vers is nice

[manic harness]

I saw it simming well according to the pins

[balmy condor]

It does

[manic harness]

The vers would be the only thing I could think of, yeah

[balmy condor]

It sims like 0.1% better than nadjia

:P

You really don’t have to change binds for venthyr between raid and dungeon from what I can tell

You go duelist, you smash, you win

[manic harness]

Well that's good

I don't like changing soulbinds lol

[buoyant mauve]

ain't it just 3 clicks from any rested area?

[manic harness]

Yeah but consistency is valuable

I didn't think about how strong Duelist would be

[fleet anchor]

That would have been BiS transmog on vanilla maybe 😄

[manic harness]

If we are doing 6k dps that's an extra 180 off the bat

Koji don't be a hater lol

I've been wanting a transmog like that for my rogue since vanilla lmao

[fleet anchor]

None of these are BiS transmogs. All the patch sets are ugly as sin lol

[lament mica]

being forced into using thrillseeker feels bad

[fleet anchor]

Someday we'll get class sets back and they can actually make something that looks cool

[trim zinc]

pls pls pls

[manic harness]

They haven't made a good rogue class set in a decade

You know what made me mad though?

When they did the d4 reveal, they had a cloak and dagger set on their rogue

That shit looked incredible

I wish they would make simple stuff like that and implement it

[fleet anchor]

Who needs the new sets when we still have stuff like this

[stoic needle]

[brittle pawn]

i didnt know there was another set?

[trim zinc]

i use bloodfang 2 ❤️

[brittle pawn]

i could swear there was a pin in here about all rogues wearing bloodfang

[fleet anchor]

I wish they would make a higher rez Bloodfang, that'd be cool

[turbid glacier]

so what's the consensus on assass changes? enough to bump it up into viable tier or still trash compared to outlaw?

[tidal gorge]

I do think you're on to somethin there. Using doomblade lego wearing doomblade transmog

[manic harness]

It's better than Outlaw single target when patch drops

[fleet anchor]

200 IQ

I use the transmog of whatever sims best

[brittle pawn]

they'd just make it ugly like they did tomb set

[fleet anchor]

Raidbots adding a transmog sim option soon

[manic harness]

Ohhhh

Can't monks make any weapon sheathed on their backs?

Now I am fuxjing JELLY of that shit

[fleet anchor]

I thought the Tomb set was decent

At least without the helmet

And the red recolor

[manic harness]

That one was good

[fleet anchor]

The fel-ified recolor was a little meh

[stoic needle]

*you go soothing shade because thrill seeker is trash

[manic harness]

I'm sad I didn't pvp then

[brittle pawn]

i didn't care much for t6 to begin with so i guess i'm a little biased

[manic harness]

Cause the elite recolor is sick

[balmy condor]

I played thrill seeker in keys today and was watching the stacks, honestly not even that bad

[fleet anchor]

Elite was really good yeah

[stoic needle]

it's worse in raids than it is in M+

[balmy condor]

Idk, it doesn’t seem as bad as you keep complaining about :P

[stoic needle]

you'll see when you do council next

and hungering

and shriekwing

[lament mica]

thrillseeker during dance

[earnest remnant]

just dont move out from hungering

[manic harness]

It says while you are not in combat

So if you're not actively attacking?

Or not in an encounter?

[balmy condor]

No, like out of combat entirely

[trim zinc]

they fall off?? D: saaad

[reef salmon]

is assasin gonna be better in 9.0.5?

[balmy condor]

I just don’t see the proc mattering enough for it to be like oh my god I’m off the boss for 3 seconds during it rip everything

[balmy condor]

Yes

[waxen thunder]

Should I be crafting doomblade or holding off?

[reef salmon]

how good would it be

[manic harness]

Craft it

[stoic needle]

no, they keep stacking and it procs

[reef salmon]

is it gonna be on parse with outlaw?

[indigo mulch]

its over NINETHOUSANDS

[lament mica]

as long as ur in combat the stacks go up i think ya. just gets cwasted

[stoic needle]

even worse

[trim zinc]

true lol

[stoic needle]

try the entire duration

[fleet anchor]

Craft nothing until Tuesday unless you like

[buoyant mauve]

I love it whenever there's a mechanic I can use cloak on to increase my uptime vs the other melee. also side note but is that Rose in you pfp?

[lament mica]

u could also get a proc on xymox while ur clearing traps/ghost/seed

[fleet anchor]

Nobody knows if Blizzard will drop some random hotfix bomb on our heads lol

[indigo mulch]

There is no rush to craft anything until your first raid night anyway lol

[balmy condor]

You’re off the boss for 10 seconds?

[earnest remnant]

i love shit like that aswell and yes it is

[manic harness]

I'm not able to sim rn but...how does Sin do vs Outlaw on 2-3 targets?

[balmy condor]

Worse

[trim zinc]

yes imma wait
cuz i want to see if i upgrade my zold to r4 (its r2 rn)
or i craft doomblade

[dusky yoke]

Now the Bug question is, should ich reroll Necro or Venthyr

[indigo mulch]

Zoomblade

[stoic needle]

the dance is pretty long

[balmy condor]

Oh @fleet anchor what do you think about kojispyr

[stoic needle]

so are the other mechanics i mentioned

[balmy condor]

[torn atlas]

haha, this is almost my exact mog except I don't have those hands and prefer my lady orcs with mohawks

[manic harness]

@dusky yoke Goth Tea Parties with the hottest dudes vs Oedipus Comolex Live fest. Thrall and his mommy

[shadow helm]

DOOM BLADE GANG

[manic harness]

Complex*

Feat*

[shadow helm]

NECRO OR VENTH WHATS THE VERDICT

[balmy condor]

Yeh, intermission on shriek and intermission on council, what else tho

[balmy condor]

Calm yo tits home boy

[fiery mauve]

Kyrian

[shadow helm]

fuck kyrian cancer zone

cancer dungeno

hurts my eyes

[manic harness]

Revendreth is worth lmao

[lament mica]

xymox ghost

[manic harness]

Worse*

God damn I hate typing on phone

[lament mica]

a lot of mechanics on that boss take u off for a bit

[shadow helm]

xymox in mythic isnt a dps check anyway

[indigo mulch]

Xymox is a joke ;c

[shadow helm]

after 3 minutes you get 0 mechanics and just kill boss

[lament mica]

im just talking about where thrillseeker loses value

[indigo mulch]

All you do is running around 24/7 lol

[lament mica]

potentially

to say "well u don't need it anyway" isn't erallyt the point

[torn atlas]

Do boss intermissions count as leaving combat for the sake of SBS?

[indigo mulch]

We ran 3 melee last night, i swear to god. Every single mechanc got stuck on me ;c

[lament mica]

no

[indigo mulch]

1/3 chance to get portal sucks

[fleet anchor]

Probably not but all Rogue abilities are made of 🍝 so who really knows until we try 😄

[lament mica]

slg has an intermission

[balmy condor]

I mean potentially you can lose value on thrill seeker, but you also potentially lose value on niya mastery and pelagos mastery and heirmir crit and shiv and lust and vendetta and literally every ability in the game that lasts longer than 3-4 seconds

[fleet anchor]

Most likely though no bosses will count as "leaving combat" mid encounter

Unless it's buggy

[torn atlas]

I figure things where bosses are still targetable and can take damage during intermission wouldn't count, but thinking things like Stradama where she goes into the puddle might have?

[lament mica]

thats facts, altho u do get to control when u use some of those. controlling ur procs is just way way way better than random procs

[balmy condor]

if you can't stealth, you haven't dropped combat

[torn atlas]

thats fair

[balmy condor]

stradama doesn't let you stealth, you're still in combat

every raid boss doesn't let you stealth, until you wipe or kill it

[torn atlas]

but thats you in combat, not the target.

if that distinction would matter.

[young creek]

same thing

[balmy condor]

you realize that combat involves 2 or more parties

or else it would just be inner turmoil

[trim zinc]

maybe its a dumb question, but vanish doesnt does that?

[lament mica]

[balmy condor]

in raid bosses, you vanish, you're still in combat

[obtuse ruin]

thanks for the aoe sims whispyr! 🙂

[balmy condor]

putting you into stealth != dropping combat

[indigo mulch]

btw did they fix the pandemic on envenom? 😮

[balmy condor]

you can be in stealth and also in combat, but you cannot free stealth while in combat

[indigo mulch]

Or is it still missing?

[balmy condor]

still missing from what I hear

[balmy condor]

np, I have to redo them now anyway

[obtuse ruin]

any new changes since then?

[eternal wave]

Fuck me how long has that been a thing?

[balmy condor]

all of necrolord

[eternal wave]

Envenom and Pandemic I mean

[trim zinc]

so its only put u out of combat when ur the only one alive and resets the boss
(sorry for that dumb questions)

[balmy condor]

we don't know when the change came in, but it got caught and changed in sims maybe 2-3 weeks ago

[eternal wave]

Cheers!

[balmy condor]

yes

[obtuse ruin]

just from the looks of it any chance assa might compete with ww/mage/OL? m+ only

[balmy condor]

probably not

much of the changes are single target only

[indigo mulch]

Meh, i wonder if thats intended or not. 😮

[shadow helm]

pls say necrolord bis

[lament mica]

this game would need a fundamental change in how it works for ass to be better than mage in m+

or just silly % changes lol

[shadow helm]

just remove flame patch

[balmy condor]

like cttc won't do much, doomblade isn't m+, necro changes might make necro not troll, but outlaw would also get that, so that's whatever

[indigo mulch]

Fire mages abit tad to strong in m+ lol

[balmy condor]

nothing fundamentally has changed to make sin better than outlaw in 2-6 target aoe

[obtuse ruin]

thats true

[manic harness]

They need to make a combust a 3 min cd

[lament mica]

fire mages have been an abomination last 2 patches

[manic harness]

To begin with

[lament mica]

as in 8.3 as well

[manic harness]

Or reduce the mastery conversion

[indigo mulch]

Having combust on a 1minish cd is just stupid.

[lament mica]

debatably best dps cd in the game having no cd thinking....

[eternal wave]

'Cept Fire Mages are almost Sub Rogue-levels of bad outside of their CDs

[manic harness]

So they get the single best cd in the game and call it balanced?

I mean they HAVE combust

[eternal wave]

Nah Combust definitely needs work

[manic harness]

So it doesn't matter if they're that bad outside of cd

[shadow helm]

their conduit op too

[dim shoal]

Are there any ST sims for 9.0.5?

[eternal wave]

But increasing its CD will splatter Fire hard

[manic harness]

K?

Sub been broken for yeara

[eternal wave]

What a fun discussion

[manic harness]

I really don't care if Fire doesn't get to be the best spec in the game for the 2nd expansion now

[fiery mauve]

Wat so play outlaw

Outlaw great in m+

[shadow helm]

choccy milk for u king

[fiery mauve]

And has been for an eternity

[lament mica]

there's just something about fire mage being so strong and having a 2 button rotation that irks me

same as boomy, just too easy for how good it is

[buoyant mauve]

is Thrill Seeker removable? My idea is clicking it off yourself in a situation like council so it doesn't go off during dance and instead when you actually need it. Sort of like resetting stacks on fangs of the father to get them to line up with tendon back during spine of deathwing

[balmy condor]

that seems kinda cringe

[fiery mauve]

Why would you do that

It’s a 10 second buff

[balmy condor]

but I guess you can if you really want to

[balmy condor]

he means before it pops

[fiery mauve]

No I know

But just eat the 10 seconds

It’s very likely you’ll still get use from it

[lament mica]

not at the start of dance or some specific mechanics

that's some serious micromanangement for barely anything tho

[buoyant mauve]

could also be useful for more pillar burst on sludge

[craggy crater]

@obtuse ruin assassination will almost certainly beat out ww monk after patch, but mainly due to 20-30% aoe dmg nerf to monk

[lament mica]

ok i just tested it super quickly: u can't click off the stats, but u can click off the buff. i think the stacks start climbing as soon as u get the buff tho, so clicking it off does nothing

[buoyant mauve]

esp if you are doing master assassin eb/ns/mfd build

[lament mica]

stacks* not stats

[shadow helm]

just let it run lmaoo

[stoic needle]

xymox and hungering succ, inerva beams if your raid is pepega, sludge roar/stomp, sire march are the ones that come to mind

[shadow helm]

just go necro

press ability get stat

[arctic cloud]

Oh wait pog 9.0.5 is out Wednesday

[stoic needle]

this isn't really a fair comparison because you can control all of those things and you can't control when thrill seeker procs

[lament mica]

u goof ball i said that exact thing in response to that already

[stoic needle]

you used to be able to click it off but they removed that

[lament mica]

[torpid spoke]

So are all sins going venthyr

[eternal wave]

Necrogaaaaaaang

[balmy condor]

so you've never been in a situation where you hit vendetta and then get targeted by an ability before?

[shadow helm]

beta venth sins vs chad necrolords

[buoyant mauve]

aww ;-;

[torpid spoke]

I wanna see sims for necro vs venth

Necro could be dope

[balmy condor]

you've never popped vendetta on sire in p3 and then gotten picked for seeds?

[misty holly]

I would be happy if all dps classes had a 2 button rotation. The more buttons I have to bind the less fun I have playing.

[stoic needle]

not really because i try to time my CDs around boss mechanics

[shadow helm]

play bm

[balmy condor]

but when do you pop them

you're always timing them around boss mechanics

[stoic needle]

if there's a mechanic coming up in ~10 seconds i'll hold until after it goes off

but i dont' hold it much longer than that

and when you use cds on pull it's pretty free

[buoyant mauve]

just don't soak and stay on den as much as possible 😄

[balmy condor]

"oh shit, can't vendetta, it's massacre", aight we hold
"oh shit, can't vendetta, we got hand", aight we hold
"oh shit, can't vendetta, we have impales now"

[buoyant mauve]

if rl gives shit just link execute sims kek

[balmy condor]

like at some point

[lament mica]

simple rotations are fine and its healthy for the game imo, but the combination of them being the simplest AND the best is just meh. i dont think difficulty should equate to the power of a spec but the easiest shouldn't also be the best cuz then everyone just goes it and succeeds with 0 investment

[balmy condor]

you're gonna cast vendetta

and get fucked

and that's okay

the same way thrill seeker will pop

[stoic needle]

all of those things are ez to avoid though besides impale lol

[balmy condor]

and you'll get fucked

and that's okay

[stoic needle]

we'll have this conversation again in a couple weeks and see if you feel the same way after you get some time to play with it

[balmy condor]

I don't even notice when thrill seeker pops unless I'm looking for it homeboy I doubt my opinion will change at all

[misty holly]

omg did Whispyr go venthyr?

Despite all your warnings about thrill seeker

[balmy condor]

thrill seeker is fine imo

[shadow helm]

whispyr is a scam

heh ats NECRO

[balmy condor]

osh just enjoys doomsaying it

[stoic needle]

they're my warnings about thrill seeker

it suxxxxx

theotar is my boy

[pastel oak]

I hope Venth is the move

[buoyant mauve]

what if you need to move out of his umbrella?

[stoic needle]

theotar is pretty jank too

[balmy condor]

just plan around it 5head

[stoic needle]

but at least you won't get umbrella in a dance macabre

all of the venthyr soulbinds are kinda shit i've said this from day 1

[balmy condor]

sure

and that's fine

[stoic needle]

but i'm willing to deal with it because of the aesthetic and theme

and bc flag isnt trash anymore

[gentle gyro]

Alright, read through all the notes. Time to go venthyr

[balmy condor]

if anything, should probably be happy that venthyr binds suck

[stoic needle]

why

[balmy condor]

you ever whiff a burrs?

[buoyant mauve]

tanks moving bosses

[stoic needle]

ha yeah

[shadow helm]

me wait for whis necrolord SIMS

BIG POG

[balmy condor]

nothing works the way it does on paper, everything's fucked to begin with

doesn't matter

just accept it

[manic harness]

So what you're saying is

Rely on Feelacraft

Not sims?

[lament mica]

ya i use double potency over burrs even tho its like a 5 dps loss lol

[balmy condor]

sims give you a comparison point that allows for accuracy and consistency

[shadow helm]

he abaondoned simming FOR POE BRO

[manic harness]

I'm kidding babe

[lament mica]

burrs is some weird shit

[stoic needle]

burrs goes brr

[balmy condor]

I know but some people swing hard in both ways

[stoic needle]

rip uncapped burrs

[manic harness]

If something is within like 10 dps I go with whatever is more consistent or seems more likely to work

[balmy condor]

sims are a tool to be used

[lament mica]

factuals.

[stoic needle]

that's why i go with theotar over nadjia

he's more consistent

barely

[balmy condor]

you don't blindly trust sims, and you don't blindly trust your feelcraft

[stoic needle]

and sims within like 2 dps for me

[balmy condor]

hell, I don't trust my feelcraft basically ever

[stoic needle]

also big envenom

[balmy condor]

my feelcraft is dogshit

[manic harness]

I'll keep that in mind Osh

I already went back to Vampy

[balmy condor]

but also the fact that the initial hit of sbs isn't affected by mastery anymore makes me a lot less scared for necro overlords

so I'm chillin

[stoic needle]

yep

[misty holly]

is ptr updated?

[balmy condor]

yes

[buoyant mauve]

yeah not being able to manually restart the stacks on thrill seeker kinda bummed me out to the point I'm considering oshosi's pov. except for his big env crit chase

[stoic needle]

i could go back to venthyr right now but i want to finish doing keys for the weekend before i swap back

[warm plover]

Tbf, I home venthyr is going to be the play cause thats the only covenant I can swap directly to

[quasi oar]

Sbs exsanguinate bug fixed yet?

[balmy condor]

oshochadino

[stoic needle]

soon you all will be followers of the church of big dick mastery envenom

[shadow helm]

imo n the face

cause of lashing scars

BIG ASS CONDUIT

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

I can't imagine the fucking nuts osh would've bust in antorus

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

when we were 0 haste