assassination

[oak arrow]

hmm so patch this coming week. seems a bit quick

[obsidian willow]

Hello! What’s the CD of the new flag of venthyr in ptr?

[balmy condor]

it's one of those things that people keep saying but no one can show me actual evidence that it works

[balmy condor]

unchanged at 1:30

[obsidian willow]

I see. Would you suggest it be used on CD or always align it with Vendetta as a macro?

[balmy condor]

you align with vendetta unless you're going to miss a cast because of it

so macroing it together seems pretty troll

[round flume]

are there any sims available with the SBS changes from yesterday?

[balmy condor]

no

it's not implemented in sims yet

[round flume]

thanks 🙂

[strange python]

Do we have a sheet that compares the 3 specs for 9.05? I know there are some pinned sims in each channel but they seem to vary. Or has these not been any concrete simming yet?

[balmy condor]

there's a link to mystler's combinator sims

but obviously that doesn't contain the bug fixes and sbs buffs from the last week

[strange python]

I don’t see that

[balmy condor]

so I would generally say that spec comparisons atm are quite worthless

in the pins

[strange python]

Ok I figured they were not accurate atm. Thanks!

[balmy condor]

the big sims don't get run until we know that it's kinda where they want it

the sims I ran 4-5 days ago are already invalidated because new changes

[signal gulch]

ct counting towards alacrity

[balmy condor]

so it's just not worth the effort re-running everything

[manic harness]

Wow so Lashing Scars overtakes WPS?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tribal marlin]

SBS will increase envenom damage with doomblade lol

that was not the case on PTR I tested

[sour wraith]

It's in their patch notes that it will

[balmy condor]

wow

finally

[inner granite]

omg

[tribal marlin]

yeah it was still bugged on PTR when I tested

[inner granite]

thats so good

[tribal marlin]

but seems like they fixed it

[inner granite]

necro sin on the way

[manic harness]

I think I'm gonna go Lashing Scars and Well Placed Steel with 2x conduit, rather than Dauntless until I can phase Outlaw out completely

[balmy condor]

at least we know what the hell the intention is

lmao

[tribal marlin]

Venthyr was really high on sims but yeah

they basically want to put down Fae and Kyrain

[manic harness]

oh shit March 9th

[balmy condor]

thanks mate

[sour wraith]

👍

[inner granite]

We going necro boyos

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-dancing-skeleton-dancing-gif-5094083

[cyan echo]

still not convinced it beats venth tho

idunno

[split veldt]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321249/official-patch-notes-for-shadowlands-patch-9-0-5-class-tuning-valor-torghast-leg

[balmy condor]

I'm sticking venthyr cause my m+ group needs it

[split veldt]

so no more rogue changes

[balmy condor]

and I also don't like necro

[split veldt]

[balmy condor]

[shy dust]

I’m waiting for

Necro to gio live

And be bugged as fuck

[tribal marlin]

I don't think this change can make Necro beat venthyr

[shy dust]

Cause it’s not even on ptr

[manic harness]

lmao @ necro

cmon people

we all know this game is 90% looking good

[inner granite]

that change + 300% damage that can crit

[manic harness]

10% being good

and necrolord looks like SHIT

[inner granite]

can certainly challenge venthyr

[cyan echo]

the soulbinds are so bad tho

[inner granite]

free primary % on a 30s CD is bad?

Or permanent primary is bad?

[balmy condor]

emeni is bait as fuck

[cyan echo]

that is just one soulbind

[balmy condor]

trash bind

[inner granite]

How exactly is that trash

[balmy condor]

at the start, everyone hyped emeni for being the greatest thing since sliced bread

omg primary stat so good

wow

and then guess what

it wasn't good

[grave gazelle]

[paper bloom]

Wasn't assassination getting buffs in 9.0.5?

[balmy condor]

and no one runs it

[balmy condor]

we did, cut to the chase, and doomblade

[tardy compass]

Do you guys think SBS will get the 30% dmg bonus from zoldyck?

[paper bloom]

Oh nice, ty Whisp

[balmy condor]

probably will if it's affected by doomblade

[violet wasp]

Any sims from 9.0.5?

[balmy condor]

not including the sbs change, that's not in sims

[tardy compass]

Damn

[cyan echo]

yea theyre in the pins

[inner granite]

the necro stuff hasn't been implemented yet

[tardy compass]

All in necro kids

[violet wasp]

ty

!pins

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[inner granite]

the pins aren't up to date

they don't reflext the sbs changes

[violet wasp]

ahah ty, where i can see it?

[inner granite]

click the pin button bro

[balmy condor]

'

[violet wasp]

ahhhhhhhh xd sorry, discord its no for me

[rigid wyvern]

we get this but sepsis isnt a poison boo

[dark vigil]

ooh

doomblade working with sbs

im late to the party but ye

[inner granite]

tbh sepsis being a poison wouldn't be a huge change

[tribal marlin]

still good to take

basically +20% damage to the damage itself

why would SBS increased by mastery and not sepsis, it's inconsistant

[balmy condor]

I just hope all these necro changes stacking on top of themselves isn't going to make it crazy strong

[dense hamlet]

WAIT so SBS now counts for doomblade?

[supple pelican]

ayyyy lmao, back to the top boys

[dark vigil]

yes

[dense hamlet]

and doomblade got buffed

[inner granite]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-sunglasses-deal-with-it-thumbsup-gif-9442003

[dark vigil]

counts for db, 300% more dmg opn initial hit and can crit, doomblade buffed

[balmy condor]

I really don't want to be necro

[supple pelican]

dustwalkers gang

[dark vigil]

works with mastery

[misty holly]

For reals? Are the most recent changes even implemented on ptr yet?

[dark vigil]

we necro baby

[inner granite]

@balmy condor I thought you mained outlaw?

[tribal marlin]

on my sims Necro is still 450 dps behind venthyr, so

[dense hamlet]

me too i wanna dip into venthyr

[balmy condor]

LMAO

[inner granite]

https://tenor.com/view/dana-change-lol-miinions-laughing-gif-17467543

[balmy condor]

if necro is crazy strong

and I have to go necro

I'm gonna be big mad

[dark vigil]

i think its prob meh if ur not doomblade

[dense hamlet]

i dont like necro man its fucking ugly as fuck

[inner granite]

well doomblade is the best ST leggo now

[dark vigil]

no execute tho

[tribal marlin]

well as I said, 450dps is a big chunk of dps, even if you add like 200 from SBS change + 5% additionnal damage to Envenom

still probably not beat Venthyr, but will be close

[dark vigil]

5% additional damage to envenom is pretty big

[wet ruin]

they removed that

[dark vigil]

removed what

cause

Fixed an issue that prevented Serrated Bone Spike's (Necrolord) bleed debuff from being counted towards the Envenom damage bonus from Doomblade (Legendary Power).

[tribal marlin]

should be ~60dps worth on end game profile

[wet ruin]

oh nvm, its prevented, I read it wrongly

[dark vigil]

bro

the conq banner is going live

and aura buff to prot warrior

oh boy

prot warrior meta

[dense hamlet]

wait does this go live with venthyr buffs next patch

[dark vigil]

yues

read patch notes

dude

[manic harness]

Tuesday

[tribal marlin]

With quick maths if I summarize all change to SBS it's should be ~250 to 300dps more, making the covenant somehow good (better than Kyrian) but probably still behind venthyr we'll see

[devout lantern]

9.0.5 9 MARCH

dem

[quick vale]

Is venthyr going to be better than night fae now ?

[devout lantern]

looks maldrax is better kekw

[tribal marlin]

I'm concerned by the fact they didn't mentionned a bug fix on Doomblade

Make no sense to have this leggo reduced by armor >.<

[teal bloom]

No way I am going to change from night fae, soulshape is too good

[simple kettle]

Why u can see in wacraft logs people opening with mutilate instead of ambush?

[signal gulch]

ambush bad

[balmy condor]

cause that's what we do. Only ambush from blindside proc

[grave gazelle]

Nooo I don't wanna swap off NF.

[deft vault]

then dont lol

[grave gazelle]

[rigid wyvern]

ya im staying night fae

[thorn kindle]

The difference isn't going to be game breaking

[devout lantern]

venthyr worst?

[balmy condor]

I think as long as you're not kyrian, there's nothing to worry about

[tribal marlin]

Well according to my big brain 300% accurate maths, Necrolords should be mostly equal to night fae

Venthyr ~1-2% ahead, Kyrian 1-2% behind

[thorn kindle]

yes but who will have the best tmog

[balmy condor]

[fallow notch]

And what is the best for dual spec?

With outlaw

[drifting cloud]

necro prolly

[simple kettle]

Yeah I see but why to do a mutilate of 1.5k dmg instead of an ambush of 2k?

[misty holly]

tbh, I felt that way during beta too because necrolord transmog is GARBAGE... but Jiggles makes up for everything. He is adorable.

[balmy condor]

because mutilate gives more cp, procs poisons more, and has a chance to give you a free ambush

[stoic needle]

omg sbs doomblade

[simple kettle]

doesnt mutilate give 2 cp like ambush?

[balmy condor]

it's 2 hits

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

can give 4

ambush crit gives 3

[deft vault]

thats pog af

big envenom

[stoic needle]

its pog but i kinda dont want to go back to being necrolord

[simple kettle]

So... should use the opener mutilate to get SND?

[balmy condor]

yes

[stoic needle]

necrolord transmog

also no envenom or doomblade dot damage bug fix notes?!?!?

[echo cargo]

doomblade + sbs might be pog for sludgefist

[violet wasp]

Best day to switch covenants is monday?

[balmy condor]

there is no "best day"

[echo cargo]

best day is after whatever day you raid this week and/or when sims are done

so you have more time to catch up 👀

[simple kettle]

I dont think Necro gonna be that good, just coz the conduits. Niya is better than any Necro guy

[manic harness]

No

[violet wasp]

sounds best day is now

[manic harness]

Wait nvm I'm being dumb

[thorn kindle]

Burrs go brr

[balmy condor]

best day to switch is actually friday's at 2:47 am

and if you miss it your computer explodes

[echo cargo]

bonk

[polar cape]

with a drink

[thorn kindle]

oh fuck i'm in korea i missed it

[stoic needle]

WHERE NECROLORD SIMS WHISPYR

[violet wasp]

i take note, im scared

[balmy condor]

switching before friday at 2:47 will actually cause you to do 40% less damage instantly

[stoic needle]

IS DOOMBLADE SBS IMPLEMENTED IN RAIDBOTS YET

[echo cargo]

wait for tc bois to fix sims, finish raid, swap covs, profit

also tag Whispyr as much as possible about changes

[cyan echo]

no need to tag whisp

hes looking nonstop

guys a goat

[loud niche]

ugh, guild falling apart, 4 or 5 players quitting... Pls someone get me in a good mythic prog guild that's at least on council. I wanna raiiiiiiid

[shy dust]

just apply

if you apply

you can get in

[stoic needle]

i want to be a venthyr boy not a vamplord

[manic harness]

do we open with Garrote ever?

[stoic needle]

with subterfuge

[loud niche]

I've applied to several, I doubt I hear back tonight tho

[shy dust]

apply to more then

[tribal marlin]

I'm basing this assumption on very simples maths :

1. I took PTR sims for necro without SBS changes in
2. Add 20% damage from mastery to SBS dot, and multiply SBS intial damage by 4x1.3 (300% increase damage + crit bonus)
3. add 5% damage to Envenom dps.

This bring Necro ~ Fae

[reef axle]

Patch next week

[loud niche]

Well, I mean, should I really just app to more than like 40 guilds in one night?

[balmy condor]

why not

[sleek sparrow]

If you wanna raid asap yeah

You app to as many that you can that fit what you're looking for

And go from there when you get responses

[shy dust]

yes

why wouldnt you

[simple kettle]

I'm not that sure, but I would like to happen coz I just swap to necrolord in live. But I think necrolord is gonna be not that good.

[sleek sparrow]

Also looks like I'm getting benched for sludgefist again so might be time to start changing covenants

[stoic needle]

fuck am i really gonna have to go necro for my big dick envenom meme

[stoic needle]

what makes you think that necro isn't going to be good

[teal bloom]

If Doomblade dot is reduced by armor, is it still bis single target legendary?

[loud niche]

Idk, just assuming someone will respond sometime tomorrow

[shy dust]

and if they dont

[reef axle]

So is bone spike considered a bleed now?

[shy dust]

if you want to raid

apply to more guilds

there is no cd in applying to guild

and nothing will go wrong from applying to more

[reef axle]

With excanguinate? Or still just a bug?

[simple kettle]

just the conduits, I think night fae have better conduits than Necro (example: Burrs did 6% of my dmg in ST mythic raid fight)

I hope that i'm wrong coz im tired of play night fae

[stoic needle]

i think that at the very least it will be competitive

night fae does have good soulbinds, but i'm pretty sure SBS and flag are now better than sepsis

[simple kettle]

Totally agree with that

[reef axle]

Kinda feeling sbs might be the king here, guess have to see how it sims

[stoic needle]

me too

i'm going onto the ptr now to see if the envenom bug is fixed

[buoyant mauve]

so some of you are gonna be swapping cov it looks like, what are your plans to catch up asap?

asking for a friend

[stoic needle]

play the game

[inner granite]

How would you also factor in the additional CP gains that would be very good for sin?

[loud niche]

is venthyr really gonna beat out necro, when necro can add that bone spike dps? that's poggers bois

[sharp falcon]

is this assuming the initial damage of SBS is or isn't affected by mastery?

[reef axle]

Well thing is does excanguinate still proc bone spike? Was it considered a bleed before ptr?

[stoic needle]

who knows

[simple kettle]

LOL i'm just trying necro in PTR and after 2 SBS in the same objetive all the next SBS gives u 5 cp

so every 30 sec / 3 charges u can get full 5 cp

[stoic needle]

hmmmm

it's like MFD but does damage XD

[simple kettle]

maybe u are right and SBS is competitive xD

[inner granite]

right

that is so many more envenoms for sin

[tribal marlin]

I did not that's why I gave a margin

but it's only 1 additionnal cp every 30sec

[stoic needle]

what is the pandemic timer for envenom supposed to be

[sharp thistle]

can you do tripple envenom in MA window with that

[inner granite]

3 CP after first use on ST

Not including crits

[tribal marlin]

why 3 ?

[inner granite]

2* '

1 CP + 1 active charge

crit = 4

or would it be 3?

[sharp falcon]

oshosi, pandemic is 30% yes? so +1.8sec (if you have that much or more remaining) to a 5cp envenom = 7.8sec

[tribal marlin]

idk

[inner granite]

but during Shiv windows you could easily do Mut > sbs > envenom > mut > sns > envenom > mut > sbs > envenom

[tribal marlin]

but it still 150dps even with factoring everything and adding a "margin" of 50dps for the combo points

[stoic needle]

ok i'm going to test envenom pandemic in a second here once my addons copy over

[simple kettle]

Okey, is kind of weird. I think is bugged coz I just relog in PTR and the first SBS I do it's giving me 5 cp

[tribal marlin]

Envenom doesn't pandemic SBS is still bugged with Exsangue etc...

I think they didn't pushed change on PTR yet

they might just rebuild

[stoic needle]

hm

hurry up blizzard

I NEED TO KNOW

[tribal marlin]

oh they fixed Exsnag

[stoic needle]

is there a way to instantly swap covenants on ptr?

[tribal marlin]

They fixed exsangue but not the armor bug on doomblade

[stoic needle]

wtf

[tribal marlin]

SBS crit does not benefit from Seal fate

crit for 5k tho

[hushed sphinx]

They didn't bother fixing the doom blade bug?

[sharp falcon]

you sure? where you getting this?

[simple kettle]

False alarm: It was just a bug, now im getting the correct CPs

[tribal marlin]

from ptr

also they fixed SBS intial hit

it is not affected by mastery anymore

[sharp falcon]

correct

[tribal marlin]

only dot is affected by mastery

[sharp falcon]

yes, it was backwards =p

[tribal marlin]

I mean, 2 days ago before they fix SBS, the initial hit was still affected by mastery

[stoic needle]

so no more 10k sbs hits?

[tribal marlin]

with NS maybe xD

[stoic needle]

well that's good

[tribal marlin]

15 energy for a 2600+ hit

it's pretty good

and it generate 2cp

[vast pond]

So no doomblade bug fix? 😦

[sharp falcon]

which one?

[brittle venture]

if i wanna play sin for raid but outlaw for m+ whats looking like the best cov with all the changes?

[tribal marlin]

Doomblade is fixed

!!!!

DOOMBLADE fixed

allehuia

[vast pond]

It is?

[tribal marlin]

they litterally fixed it

like

now

5mn ago

I tested it like 30mn ago and it was still bug

[vast pond]

Where are you seeing that?

[tribal marlin]

now it's fix

PTR

[vast pond]

ohhh, they hotfixed it?

woohoo

[stoic needle]

oh my

[devout lantern]

where

show me

[agile geode]

Finally

[stoic needle]

@tribal marlin post proof!

[tribal marlin]

sec

[agile geode]

Should i run zoldyck or doomblade?

[vast pond]

depends

[agile geode]

St

Raid btw

In m+ i'll play outlaw

[vast pond]

Most people are saying for prog, zold

But I'm no expert

[stoic needle]

envenom pandemic bug seems to still be present

[vast pond]

Is that only on PTR? The pandemic bug.

[stoic needle]

its on live too

[dense hamlet]

so when are u guys going to swap pfp and plan on going necro

[vast pond]

okay, that sucks, but at least it'll stay th esame

[stoic needle]

to see a significant st dps boost you should craft doomblade. zoldyck will still be good for prog in general and for sire/council etc

[stoic needle]

never

[agile geode]

Thx

[reef axle]

So sbs no longer procced by excanguinate?

[stoic needle]

doesn't seem to be

[vast pond]

good

[reef axle]

So leaves venthyr as the go to then lol

[vast pond]

I thought venth and NF were about equal

[faint harness]

imagine ever thinking the exsanguinate shit was ever going live

[drifting cloud]

[faint harness]

it legit crashes your game

now imagine if thousands of sin rogues does this

[devout lantern]

whats gonna be the best convenant to raid like sin and m+ to outlaw?

[echo cargo]

dear blizzard

let me do infinite dps ty

[stoic needle]

i gotta say sin feels good with cttc

[stoic needle]

idk it will still be pretty close

especially with doomblade sbs synergy

[stoic needle]

whichever one you like best

[devout lantern]

what

please kill me

[stoic needle]

they're all so close it doesn't matter

wydm that's a good thing

[devout lantern]

i will still nf

[stoic needle]

that's fine

[dense hamlet]

if u wanna hear the best its prob gon be necro

[devout lantern]

not looks better to me

necro to assassin raid

[stoic needle]

necro has shit soulbinds

[devout lantern]

but the outlaw m+ too?

[stoic needle]

it's not guaranteed to be the best

we have to wait for simc to be updated with these changes to know 100% for sure

[devout lantern]

k

[stoic needle]

lol there's vendors to just buy any trinket you want on ptr

[zenith viper]

we dont have exact numbers but are the sin buffs dramatic? just curious where it lies as a returning player

[stoic needle]

wtf

[stoic needle]

its gonna be one of the best single target melee dps

[radiant fossil]

Guys im stuffing my alt rogue in order to play sin next patch. Am i crazy to believe ?

[stoic needle]

top 3 easily

[zenith viper]

ah thats good news. How about m+?

rolled on a new server and am leveling now but it sounds like necro or venth will be a good choice?

[tribal marlin]

wtf is that trinket ?

[low girder]

that trinket is one of the NF theatre rare drops

i guess PTR scaled it to 226 for some reason lol

[tribal marlin]

oh

there is trinket vendor on PTR ?

[dense hamlet]

i thought thats live

[faint harness]

its capped at 203

live

also i think the frond is just straight up better

[plain jewel]

so rogue #1 on tuesday then?

[faint harness]

yes

[stoic needle]

Worse than outlaw but viable for everything, just falls off when you try to push high keys

[drifting cloud]

yeah if you pretend ranged and dk doesnt exist maybe

[dense hamlet]

we scaled finally

[faint harness]

never forget that warlocks, boomies and mages are a thing

[dense hamlet]

nah they arent

[faint harness]

and mages got a buff for 9.0.5

because why the fuck not

[drifting cloud]

push already forgot about sps

[faint harness]

i pretend they dont exist because i rarely see one

[drifting cloud]

you dont have 1?

[faint harness]

we did for prog

but not anymore

[low girder]

we have 2

[faint harness]

still shocked blizzard decided to release 9.0.5 with the disciplined command legendary not nerfed for fire

[plain jewel]

do i make a swap to venthyr instead of fae

[violet wasp]

new flagelation must use on cd or for some burst window?

[drifting cloud]

it got changed from 25 to 20 didnt it

[faint harness]

it was 15

[drifting cloud]

only buffed once instead of twice

[faint harness]

in 9.0

yea

[drifting cloud]

[faint harness]

but still 20%

[stoic needle]

on cd

[faint harness]

it was already equal to their bis

at 15

[stoic needle]

everyone go on PTR and report envenom not pandemicing as a bug

[low girder]

nerfed the shit out of one of the MM legendaries too at the last minute lol

[faint harness]

yea its so wild

some specs are just allowed to do shit

[humble socket]

Hasnt envenom not Pandemic Refreshed for like 3 expansions now?

[low girder]

no

this is the first one

[stoic needle]

why were these not put into the game

[balmy condor]

envenom has always pandemic'd

[severe ibex]

SBS SLAPS on PTR

[humble socket]

Wasnt it capped then or something? I clearly remember having to refresh envenom at the last possible second to not waste duration in like BFA or legion

[faint harness]

its just PTR that defaults to 226

they are in the live game

[stoic needle]

ahhh ok

[low girder]

are you sure you're not remembering EP

and not envenom

[fallow notch]

So conclusion is: its a cointoss between NF Necro and Venthyr now?

[stoic needle]

conclusion is wait for sims

[proper halo]

!bis

[stoic needle]

bis list is kill

[low girder]

@balmy condor when is fuu going to remove the command in the channel description lol

[balmy condor]

never

[low girder]

[balmy condor]

i'll let him know

[stoic needle]

my ptr vault has iqd

[low girder]

oof

[sharp falcon]

rip

[stoic needle]

if i actually get iqd next tuesday

[vast pond]

All I get are trinkets in my vault 😦

It was nice at first, now it's like it's own special hell

[stoic needle]

do you have a phial

[faint harness]

at least make sure to complete 4x 15s

[balmy condor]

it don't work like that :P

[loud niche]

i have a 226 phial and a 226 memory of past sins 😄

[stoic needle]

you never know tbh

[stoic needle]

die

[vast pond]

oof

[sharp falcon]

this isnt a pvp channel, you cant just come in here and cut people like that

[stoic needle]

also die

[loud niche]

lol

[vast pond]

😦

[loud niche]

i died inside when my guild started falling apart this week 🙂

[stoic needle]

may you step on many legos

[sharp falcon]

great success

[vast pond]

@stoic needle if it makes you feel any better, I've yet to have shoulders drop over 184 ilvl

[stoic needle]

honestly it doesn't

bc pvp

lol

[vast pond]

lol, I have the 200 ones, but I'm not pvping more than that

[stoic needle]

i'm just kidding btw i dont actually want you to die

[vast pond]

So that's why I use doomblade lol

[stoic needle]

man 1600 is so free

get that 213

[low girder]

ososhi/whispyr i'm doublechecking my sources, the base amount of stats on gear is going up in the patch right

[stoic needle]

but hey at least we'll have valor on tuesday

[low girder]

that hasn't changed?

[stoic needle]

yep

[low girder]

aight cool

[loud niche]

lol 1600 free?

[lilac sparrow]

I moved to Venthyr yesterday :) nice prediction yeah

[cyan echo]

necro still might be better tho yea?

[loud niche]

with the number of carries happening, 1600 is a struggle

well actually i bet 10v10 it's not

[stoic needle]

yeah in rbg

[subtle tundra]

yea i bought 1.7-1.8k on my monk to only play with that 220 gear for a week

[clear zealot]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[torn atlas]

I'm at about 900 rating currently and average about +5-10 with a win. Nothing free about grinding that upwards.

[subtle tundra]

i dont want to say anything cause ill sound like an asshole

[torn atlas]

Oh wait. That's in 2v2. Not sure about rbgs

[subtle tundra]

my point still stands ^

[vast pond]

1293, but I'm just too lazy to grind it up. Just hoping I get the shoulders off SL each week

[stoic needle]

RBGs are free

[dense hamlet]

i mean i gain like 200 per win for rbgs till 1500

no?

[stoic needle]

til 1200

then it starts scaling down

if you join a pug with voice chat it's so easy to win games

[dense hamlet]

yeah

[stoic needle]

rogues are big playmakers

[subtle tundra]

rogues win games by themselves in rbg

[stoic needle]

yeah

ninja capping

killing efc

that wins games

i need to stop being lazy and climb to 1800 from 1600

but now that valor is in the gameidk

[subtle tundra]

valor is big bait

[peak sandal]

if you run master assassin you literally solo the defender and just cap. rbgs are incredibly free

[subtle tundra]

if you look at the numbers around valor you'll see you will barely get any loot

[wide ridge]

are yall staying nfae or changing to necro/venthyr?

[naive rock]

Are logs been released for necro and venth yet?

[subtle tundra]

i'll swap just waiting for them numbers

[stoic needle]

no

i'm probably gonna go venthyr

[stoic needle]

wdym?

[tribal marlin]

Venthyr feels really bad to play

[vast pond]

I'll swap if it's a big difference (which it won't be)

[stoic needle]

flag or the soulbinds?

[tribal marlin]

I feel like being forced to miss finisher inside Flag will be very punitiv

[lilac sparrow]

Is buffed sbs good for sins? I think it is small buff...

[lament mica]

do u mean current flag?

[tribal marlin]

Flag + Deeper strat etc...

[stoic needle]

meh i'm not too worried about that

[tribal marlin]

might want to pool energy as well

[lament mica]

thrillseeker is def a bit obnoxious

[stoic needle]

12 seconds is pretty short

thrill seeker is absolute dogshit

i am not looking forward to running that agaimn

i'm going to run theotar as much as I can instead

[lament mica]

mastery

👉 🚪

[lilac sparrow]

And you help your friend 👍

3% vers

[stoic needle]

big dick envenoms tho

[loud niche]

wait

[stoic needle]

with doomblade

[lament mica]

thats true

[loud niche]

why do the sims have us going 3210021?

[stoic needle]

[stoic needle]

because deeper strat is better with venthyr

[tulip tide]

sbs+doomblade sounds pretty promising, right?

[stoic needle]

sbs with doomblade does seem kinda big

[peak sandal]

wait that adds to doomblade

thats kinda wild

[stoic needle]

but the way I see it is it's kinda evened out by deeper strat with venthyr

[loud niche]

321 is not DS

[stoic needle]

5% deeper strat finisher bonus, 5% envenom bonus with doomblade from sbs

[loud niche]

blindside, subterfuge, vigor

[stoic needle]

oh i misread

wdym? that's the current standard talents

[wide ridge]

does sbs cost energy?

[stoic needle]

15

[wide ridge]

like 10 right

fuck man i might stay night fae just so i dont have to grind renown all over again

[tulip tide]

i mean nothing says you can't run both doomblade and deeper, right?

[tacit forum]

Oh shit

[loud niche]

321? YOU SURE?

caps

[tacit forum]

9.0.5 March 9

[loud niche]

i could have sworn 331 was standard

[peak sandal]

sim it 🙂

[loud niche]

i mean, we have

[stoic needle]

It's worse for necrolord for sure

Ma vs subterfuge is really down to the individual

[tulip tide]

why would that be worse for necro?

[subtle tundra]

except if youre NF cause then MA becomes obviously better ^^

[stoic needle]

For some people ma sims a lot higher, for others it's not a huge difference and they don't bother switching

[stoic needle]

Haste from thrill seeker and flag makes up for the lack of 10% energy regen from vigor

[tribal marlin]

But Vigor also mean you pool less energy during TB windows

and you cap energy faster during downtime

[tulip tide]

i mean yeah, but you get other things as necro that could be evening that out, no?

we don't have any sims to base this on tho, right?

[stoic needle]

We do

Well, ones before the previous changes

These changes won't make deeper suddenly viable for necro

[tulip tide]

well those are kinda big 😄

[stoic needle]

Deeper is only viable or venthyr because they have other sources of haste

Necrolord has no other sources of haste

[loud niche]

yeah, we have sims for this update, no? from hwat was on ptr someone simmed it it's linked to in pinned

[stoic needle]

No we don't have sims for the most recent update to sbs

[tulip tide]

that's pre sbs and doomblade changes

[stoic needle]

There's a possibility that necro won't be as good as we thought because the sbs mastery contribution is on the dot instead of the initial hit, which is less of the overall damage

[loud niche]

hmm

[stoic needle]

Like it'll still be close but not beating venthyr or nf

[tulip tide]

interesting.. has that been reported? do we know if that's intentional?

[stoic needle]

Yes

It's on the notes

And it makes sense, the initial hit isn't a bleed

[tulip tide]

i agree that it probably makes the most sense, but i'm wondering if there has been any actual confirmation (it's not even implemented yet, right?)

[fiery mauve]

Fixed an issue that prevented Serrated Bone Spike's ( Necrolord) bleed debuff from being counted towards the Envenom damage bonus from Doomblade (Legendary Power).

But this is pog

[stoic needle]

Mikihisa tested it less than an hour ago

[tulip tide]

oh so it's implemented on PTR?

[stoic needle]

Yeah it is

[tulip tide]

ah ok

[stoic needle]

Doomblade bug is fixed as well

[tulip tide]

bug?

[humble socket]

So i pull the trigger and swap to necro and try to farm renown over the weekend or wait just in case

[stoic needle]

The dot was being reduced by armor

[tulip tide]

lmao

[fiery mauve]

Smh should’ve been a chad necrolord already

[tulip tide]

and i guess exsanguinate sbs interaction has been removed, right?

[pseudo forum]

are there necro sims already?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[wide ridge]

necro mog big ass tho

[stoic needle]

Necro mog absolutely worst in slot

Complete f--- tier

[wide ridge]

absolutely trash

[humble socket]

All leather mogs are ass

[wide ridge]

garbage tier

[humble socket]

for covs

[wide ridge]

no

[stoic needle]

Venthyr is good

[wide ridge]

venthyr is sick

[tacit forum]

Fuk I won’t have enough soultrash to craft a r4

[humble socket]

Venthyr is overrated

the shoulders are too big

[torn atlas]

You don't like wearing a random boney arm on your head?

[wide ridge]

yes you hid those

[tulip tide]

necro covenatn alltogether.. always hated minions since they added them in waht, wod?
as a rogue you don't really like being stuck in combat by random npc pulls 🙂

[humble socket]

all the cool back pieces clip like mad through them

[wide ridge]

venthyr no helm no shoulders = meta

[tulip tide]

no1 says you have to run their shoulders tho

[fiery mauve]

But necrolord is chad

[primal gazelle]

how much is sbs hittin for?

anyone know

[fiery mauve]

And you have abom companions

[humble socket]

True but i dont like the style

[floral mural]

the problem with necro is that sub is like terrible as necro right?

[fiery mauve]

And chordy

[tulip tide]

exactly

[fiery mauve]

Lucky doos show yourself

[humble socket]

Im an Orc i aint no pretty boi

[deft vault]

wait they fixed the doomblade bug ???

[sharp falcon]

it appears to hit 300% harder

[deft vault]

its no longer reduced bby armor?

[humble socket]

I dont like sleeves on my orcs haha

[tulip tide]

female orc has the best male model, can't tell me otherwise

[stoic needle]

Chordy is fucking lame

I'm sorry

[deft vault]

on tuesday we fucking rise boys

[stoic needle]

Sub is just terrible period

[wide ridge]

imayine playing sub

in current year

[civic trellis]

I play sub

😄

[stoic needle]

[brittle pawn]

man

i just watched dei's 19 spires, now i just wanna play sin

[tulip tide]

idk isn't necro actually rly good as sub?

[brittle pawn]

no

maybe in .5? idk

[cyan echo]

new flag is way better

nahj just tested and compared for sub

[tulip tide]

not sure about which soulbinds end up being the best, but getting what.. 9% mainstat? before every dance, and having a better button to press than stab sounds good

but yeah going venthyr 100%
it's doing INSANE damage for pvp

[cyan echo]

necro might be better for assass pvp

[tulip tide]

as in
nerfed-after-a-few-days-op

[cyan echo]

better defensive covenant

[deft vault]

its probably gonna get nerfed if it does big dam in pvp

just like echoing reprimand got nerfed

[tulip tide]

yup 10000%

[stoic needle]

Sepsis already does 20k as sin

In pvp

15+ tbf

With shiv

[deft vault]

its a dot and dispellable

[tulip tide]

dispellable and a dot tho....

[stoic needle]

True

[deft vault]

way more counterplay than instant dmg

[stoic needle]

Have people caught on and started dispelling it?

[deft vault]

nope lol

[rough agate]

you cross cc with sepsis as rogue though no?

[stoic needle]

[tulip tide]

you can do like extra 20-30k dmg w/flag as sub

[fiery mauve]

He tried venthyr subtlety?

[wide ridge]

you what

[cyan echo]

yeah the flag burst is insane

[fiery mauve]

He say he like it better than NF overall?

Cause I know he loves soulshape

[stoic needle]

Hmm maybe it's time to make that 1800 push

[cyan echo]

yeah hes swapping this week

its like 30k+ in opener lol

[tacit forum]

Who doesn’t

[rough agate]

I already have zold, do I make a doomblade as well

[stoic needle]

100% yes

[rough agate]

aight

[fiery mauve]

Well I guess I’m going venthyr

[brittle pawn]

which should i make first?

[tulip tide]

i mean i can already solo 2700 no-immunity classes from 100-0 if they don't have a trinket

adding flag to that is going to be fucking nuts

[fiery mauve]

I’d have played all 4 covenants if I go venthyr

On my rogue

[rough agate]

crit haste?

[fiery mauve]

So that’s nice

[cyan echo]

might just swap venth rn and if necro is better just insta swap tbh

get a head start on venth

[misty holly]

There should be a feat of strength for getting renoun 80 on all 4 covenenats

[fiery mauve]

Ya my necrolord has all soulbinds

[stoic needle]

@sleek otter DOOOOOOMBLADE IS FIXED ON PTR

[fiery mauve]

So that’s a no biggie for me

Venthyr has 0

Of anything

[cyan echo]

what are u rn?

nf?

[fiery mauve]

Night fae

[cyan echo]

ah

2 week swap to necro if its bis xddd

[fiery mauve]

Yeah that’s no problem

[rough agate]

Will sins stat prios stay the same?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[fiery mauve]

Not like venthyr is bad

[stoic needle]

Haste still good

[rough agate]

yeah haste for sure

[cyan echo]

very true

[rough agate]

just wondering about crit

[stoic needle]

Still roughly equal to vers

[tulip tide]

(breaks up between vanish)

but that's a pvp burst window

[stoic needle]

Holy shit

[tulip tide]

where you don't even pool cps to start it off (you would cast kidney)

[cyan echo]

what lvl is ur conduit

?

[tulip tide]

it's ptr so 226

[cyan echo]

thats a big deal no?

[rough agate]

If I made my doomblade haste and vers would that be stupid? lol

[cyan echo]

whats the diff between 200-226

[stoic needle]

yeah I don't think we can get 226 conduits

[stoic needle]

No it's fine

[tulip tide]

idk, id on't think it's that huge?

[stoic needle]

I'm thinking about remaking mine haste / mastery for the memes

[tulip tide]

well you can .. just gotta farm the raid for potency conduits and then visit the maw a few times

[stoic needle]

Or crit/mastery

[tacit forum]

Double mastery

[amber trench]

if you're going venthyr/deeper i suggest crit/haste just for qol

[stoic needle]

Full mastery stack sin inc

Just wait

30k envenoms

[undone scroll]

Any word on necro

[tulip tide]

nothing simmed yet, it just recently got added to ptr

[naive rock]

How do you think sin will be compared to outlaw in single target now with necro or venth?

[tulip tide]

the bleed for non-sin is probably still going to hit like a paper cut tho so..

[brittle pawn]

you clearly never had a papercut

[undone scroll]

Lol

[civic trellis]

rofl

[stoic needle]

It will be better

[civic trellis]

but for how muchh

😄

[balmy condor]

somewhere between 0% and a million

[civic trellis]

haha

[wide ridge]

Pog

[undone scroll]

Seems legit

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

like actually please stop asking when no one knows

why would you do that

[civic trellis]

We are on that moment where a small buff hypes the rogue community

[tribal marlin]

Well even if you're not 😄

[civic trellis]

because our situation is bad

[amber trench]

tru

[stoic needle]

WHISPYR IS NECROLORD BIS COVENANT NOW

[tribal marlin]

I think I will stay NF xD

[fiery mauve]

Whispyr didn’t you know sbs counts for doom blade now

Is it the best

[tribal marlin]

fuck Venthyr

[rough agate]

The Silver Hand best cov?

[tribal marlin]

I'm just starting to appreciate Sepsis in PvP since I play with Shaman

(yeah Skyfury + Sepsis + MA= giga)

[balmy condor]

we go aldor for sure man

aldor is sick

[stoic needle]

Imagine not being a vampire

[rough agate]

oo aldor

[tulip tide]

sepsis and then.. vanish?

[rough agate]

Ive been NF since the beginning so im kinda down for a change

[brittle pawn]

sepsis can just be dispelled though

[wide ridge]

same, just don't know where to

[tribal marlin]

Kidney > Sepsis > Shiv Mutilate > Shadowmeld stealth > Env > Mfd Env

[naive rock]

hmmm who is going to be grinding renown once we get sims released?

[tulip tide]

i mean if you want to see what's broken next week, scroll up and look at the image i posted.. 🙂

(in pvp)

[deft vault]

is there a way to get an instant 60 on ptr ? or to swap covenant instantly?

[tribal marlin]

Skyfury increase both Envenom and Sepsis crit damage

it's crazy OP

[naive rock]

there is a way

[stoic needle]

You can already swap instantly but not back to one you've already been

[deft vault]

yeah thats the thing i already swapped

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[deft vault]

just wanna test things on ptr

[tulip tide]

mEaNiNGfUlL cHoIcE

[stoic needle]

I've gotta do my 2nd 'prove your worth'

And then I should be back to venthyr @ around 25 or 26 renown

[tulip tide]

how's that, are there soft caps on renown?

per week that is

[brittle pawn]

no

[tulip tide]

and do we know what the best thing to do is to get it quick? just spam +2?

[deft vault]

you dont lose your renown from when you swapped

[stoic needle]

Because I was venthyr already

[tulip tide]

never been venth tho

[stoic needle]

Heroic world tour

You can get a renown from every boss

Usually 1-3 per dungeon

There's the world boss, raid, keys etc

[tulip tide]

and i'm seriously considering just swapping covs right now to get it out of the way, have renown for reset, and actually be able to make use of it in pvp

[stoic needle]

Callings

[fiery mauve]

So swap

I’ve played 3 covs

Swapping ain’t that bad

[tulip tide]

same

[fiery mauve]

I think it’s unnecessary and annoying

[tulip tide]

and accidentally finished my 2nd quest once, going back to kyrian

[fiery mauve]

But it’s not the worst thing

[tulip tide]

so i've gone kyr-necro-fae-kyr-fae

that was pretty terrible tho..

soulshape bis tho

[deft vault]

soulshape is so good in pvp...

[stoic needle]

Jesus why

I'm gonna miss first strike as sin

And that corgi soulshape

[deft vault]

i dont wanna swap cuz i dont want to lose it

[stoic needle]

But the blades

My gargoyle gf Chelra..

The goth teaparties...

[tulip tide]

how are teaparties btw? they sound extremely boring as something you'd do multiple times

[stoic needle]

I haven't done any of them

[tulip tide]

exactly..

imo the only cool thing would be kyrian's minigame

[stoic needle]

I didn't start because getting the RSVPs was annoying as shit

[tulip tide]

actually kinda fun and somewhat challenging

[stoic needle]

But they're making that easier

I'll actually try it out now

The one thing I don't quite understand is why some dungeons count for proving your worth but some don't

I did halls, didn't count

Did sd twice last week, both counted

[tulip tide]

 Ashen Hallow (Venthyr Paladin),  Spear of Bastion (Kyrian Warrior),  Resonating Arrow (Kyrian Hunter), and  Wild Spirits (Night Fae Hunter) visual effects are now more easily distinguishable when cast by enemy players.

biggest buff in 905

[stoic needle]

That's pretty nice

[tulip tide]

anyone tried playing kyrian in a raid with multiple hunters and dks? that was fun..

[rancid spade]

sin necrolord

[strange python]

Is the pin on covenants updated for new sts?

[cyan echo]

no

[strange python]

Figure sbs will pull way ahead

[burnt star]

soo can finaly play assa for mythic sludge prog!

[stoic needle]

Sure

[rancid spade]

why they keep buffing this joke Tiny Toxic Blade now causes Shiv to deal 500% increased damage (was 350%).

[burnt star]

any idea what would be best for leggo

[stoic needle]

They should just remove it

[burnt star]

exewcute leggo or doomblade

[stoic needle]

Probably duskwalkers

For sludge specifically

[burnt star]

how so?

[stoic needle]

Because with duskwalkers your vendetta will be up every pillar

[burnt star]

i didnt touch assa since bfa.. ill need to get back into it x-x

[civic trellis]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[stoic needle]

Duskwalkers is probably p decent for slg as well

Try crafting a 190 version

See how it goes

Dunno if I'd invest heavily into it just yet

[burnt star]

ya ive got 5000 shard saved

[buoyant mauve]

oh man, 4 vendetta relics with leggo boots from legion would be so nice for sludge ;-;

[burnt star]

for prog on dena. execute might be better though right

[stoic needle]

Yeag

[burnt star]

since th 30% last % are what count

p3*

[stoic needle]

And zoldyck isn't terrible for sludge either

The whole last pillar is execute

[burnt star]

but vendetta every pillar is kinda big deal

probly outdamage the execute

[stoic needle]

Indeed

[burnt star]

is the talent build what we find in the pin as s.t?

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt craft duskwalkers just for sludgefist

[burnt star]

for sludge?

[lament mica]

does duskwalkers give u the ability to have a vendetta for every pillar?

[stoic needle]

That one works, some people have had success using ep MFD

Yes it does

[lament mica]

thats kinda busty

[stoic needle]

I think duskwalkers might be decent for generals too

But you'd just play outlaw there probably

[burnt star]

ya probly

since cleave is important

[lament mica]

ya i was gonna say. isn't that outlaw's like one fight where they actually good lol

[stoic needle]

I'm gonna craft duskwalkers eventually

[low girder]

same

[stoic needle]

Depends on if you're an assasination otp or not

[low girder]

there'll be a niche situation eventually

i mean sub is dead and outlaw only needs 2 leggos

so

lol

[subtle tundra]

how's dashing scoundrel + new venthyr

[stoic needle]

Fine

[subtle tundra]

how many buttons can i press

[stoic needle]

Worse than doomblade

Oh it's got really fast apm if that's what you're after

[burnt star]

i heard doomblade was fixed

[stoic needle]

Dashing vigor nadjia venthyr will be very fast comparatively

Doomblade was fixed

Dashing and doomblade will be pretty close regardless

[low girder]

next up: envenom pandemic fix

[little moth]

what's the consensus on necrolord after the buff, or are we not going to know until it goes to ptr

[low girder]

don't let my zoldyck die

[stoic needle]

Listen

Every one of you in this channel

Go on the ptr right now and report envenom not pandemicing as a bug

Do it

[tacit forum]

My dad said we would be close after he leaves. Never seen since.

[stoic needle]

Flood them with bug reports until they fix it

It takes literally 15 min to bug report it

[tacit forum]

Mythic raiding plus a better rogue

That’s our time boys

[stoic needle]

Sin rogues rise up

They laughed at us

[burnt star]

anyone know how to sim with prt build ?

[stoic needle]

Said that we were the worst spec in the game

[pulsar sluice]

When sbs sim comin?

patch soon lol

[tribal marlin]

I topped the dps metter with PI in our last Xymog kill

as assa

[buoyant mauve]

downloading ptr now....

[tribal marlin]

and now I will deal like 10% more

if not 15

[vivid tulip]

I’m hyped, prefer sin to outlaw anyway altho I suck at clicking the correct nameplates to apply dot

[brittle pawn]

15% more?

[vivid tulip]

Need to wait for sims to see if worth switching away from NF right

[stoic needle]

Don't click nameplates. Tab target

[balmy condor]

ptr=1 on top of an advanced sim, sbs isn't implemented

[vivid tulip]

Hahhaa yeah I’ve been tabbing. But I get excited and over tab

[stoic needle]

Heh

[balmy condor]

when it's implemented

[burnt star]

np i didnt want to test sbs anyways

thx!

[buoyant mauve]

could also try moving camera to top down view just before swapping to new target

[civic trellis]

did you try xymoz as sub aswell?

[burnt star]

still have no 226 dagger. want to see if its worth swapping to venthyr/assa or staying outlaw till i get 226 dagger

or at least.. 220

[vivid tulip]

Thanks for the tip!

[stoic needle]

Top down camera is bis

[lament mica]

idk how ppl do sire without cam like that

prob how so many guilds are 9/10 H

[stoic needle]

They don't

[young idol]

is there a decent comparison to look at with sub vs. sin in 9.0.5?

[ebon tundra]

Zoomed out to further than max 👌

[bright turret]

sub is dead next week

[stoic needle]

When New sbs changes are implemented I will do another dps comparison sim

[pulsar sluice]

thats what i meant to ask

[stoic needle]

Sub has been dead

[fiery mauve]

Just sim sbs on 3 targets

[civic trellis]

no 😦

[young idol]

sweet I miss sin lol

[fiery mauve]

And post that

[civic trellis]

Sub is pretty decent

Imo 😄

[fiery mauve]

Subt is not decent

[stoic needle]

Nah it's pretty trash tbh

[civic trellis]

At sludge its average

[bright turret]

it isnt terrible but it isnt great either

[stoic needle]

Now both sin and outlaw do equivalent or better single target dps with 1/2 of the effort

[young idol]

its ok if nobody better then you is currently grouped 😆

[stoic needle]

It's got dogshit cleave

[knotty pumice]

are we sure assassination gonna be the best spec for the next patch ?

[civic trellis]

I mean decent in ST

[stoic needle]

Only for single target

[bright turret]

outlaw will probably still be overall best PvE

im just hungry for a ST spec with lower variance though

[civic trellis]

Ehhm i think it requires more effort to do a good dps in ST as outlaw than sub

Like much more effort

[stoic needle]

?

[young idol]

with the weapon loot luck I've had... I'll never be able to play outlaw.

[stoic needle]

What makes you say that

[pulsar sluice]

ST all tha matters, fuck padders

[stoic needle]

Outlaw is just rotation tweaks, CDs on cd

[pulsar sluice]

All my homies hate padders

[stoic needle]

Sub has to care about boss mechanic timers

[knotty pumice]

and what do you think about the up on necrolord ?

[fiery mauve]

But assas is a cool progression spec cause dots and movement

[civic trellis]

Well, yeah, you have to track all that

[vivid tulip]

Outlaw just too many button presses, my guild died 200 times to heroic sire before progressing. Screw that, sin is the way

[civic trellis]

you dont have to track nothing with sub, just line up sd with symbols

and maintain rupture

[bright turret]

sub is easier to auto pilot as long as you keep an eye on boss timers