Unless crashing the servers is the design goal of Blizzard for Assassination Rogues 🤣
#assassination
fleet anchor
limber lion
Unless crashing the servers is the design goal of Blizzard for Assassination Rog...
Or soloing raid bosses
spice spire
They gotta get rid of us somehow 🙂
gusty mirage
I want to be broken 😦
tender fjord
In no situation outside of target dummies will you reach that kind of exsang levels
fleet anchor
Sepsis+Shadowdust was actually legitimately kinda broken for Outlaw lol
tender fjord
Ppl don’t see things as they will be used in practice
fleet anchor
Back when it Vanished
gusty mirage
Broken on the inside, is the joke ofc.
Oh, I've already been broken on the inside. I don't see a joke here 
limber lion
You can have up to 38k dps with SBS/Exsang I think, which is similar dps to what a whole 2/3/8 raid does.
spice spire
O
tender fjord
You can have up to 38k dps with SBS/Exsang I think, which is similar dps to what...
How long will that take?
gusty mirage
You can have up to 38k dps with SBS/Exsang I think, which is similar dps to what...
seems fine 
spice spire
You can have up to 38k dps with SBS/Exsang I think, which is similar dps to what...
How many exang is needed to get to that?
stoic needle
Is it really that hard to just tune the other druid covenants so that they're on the same level as convoke? Or hunter covenants to wild spirits? That's what I have trouble withv
fleet anchor
Convoke is a pretty good example of a design that got carried away but then couldn't really be scaled down appropriately to their new Covenant budgets while feeling good 😦
limber lion
It might get even higher, that's just the highest that I've seen so far before the game crashing.
No clue how many Exsang's it takes.
tender fjord
Pretty important if you ask me
stoic needle
Maybe their target power budget is too low 
fleet anchor
They lowered the power budget late in beta to try to mitigate the potential differences between Covenants
stoic needle
If every spec and covenant had a convoke level button would it be that bad
fleet anchor
Rather than just making an easy way to swap between the abilities
Like they should have to begin with
limber lion
Convoke is a pretty good example of a design that got carried away but then coul...
Yeah and with Blizzard reinforcing "meaningful choice", you're stuck with the covenant
fleet anchor
Having to come up with solutions to problems of their own creation 👌
stoic needle
It's like dota, if everyone is OP then no one is OP
tender fjord
Like they should have to begin with
It’s the dilemma blizz has on their hands with wow being a (mmo)rpg and not a game where you choose a diff character every round?
fleet anchor
On the Exsang thing, if something like that actually went live probably the best Legendary would be Shadowdust to get instant double Exsang on pull 🤣
gusty mirage
fingers crossed
spice spire
ahh yes excellent
limber lion
Yeah and with Blizzard reinforcing "meaningful choice", you're stuck with the co...
Can't nerf a covenant the majority of the player base is using, because that would force them to change covenants, and that's something Blizzard doesn't want you to do. So CTS will just stay like that until 9.1
fleet anchor
I mean I've felt like Exsang should have been redesigned like 4 years ago though
But that's just me
tender fjord
Don’t get me wrong, I still think the exsang sbs will be kinda bonkers. But it’s very specific for long fights and there are very few of them in the game
marble hemlock
It's not just you
gusty mirage
Seli sighting in assa 
limber lion
I mean I've felt like Exsang should have been redesigned like 4 years ago though
Definitely. It only became relevant in BFA because of a borrowed power. It's an awful talent in itself.
But tbh, Venom Rush is still the worse.
fleet anchor
Venom Rush at least is not as bad but needs to be doubled again to be good lol
gusty mirage
You mean you don't like a meaningless amount of energy back?
marble hemlock
Vein rippers on 45sec cd instead of exsang. Thanks.
tender fjord
Hidden blades and CT in the same tier is just trolling by blizz
fleet anchor
Ironically
The new tuning of Venom Rush
Probably would have been competitive on the row in BfA
spice spire
Vein rippers on 45sec cd instead of exsang. Thanks.
A man of class. Excellent
gusty mirage
hidden blades working the way it does is just a giant troll lol
limber lion
Venom Rush at least is not as bad but needs to be doubled again to be good lol
It's similar to the BFA version of Buried Treasure where you basically lost more energy using RTB than you got from the passive itself.
fleet anchor
But +8 Energy Venom Rush wouldn't have been terrible in BfA vs. Toxic Blade and Exsang
Would have been very slightly behind, but not much
Less than 1% probablty
Alacrity is just too strong though
limber lion
Yeah, not bad.
limber lion
When was the last time Venom Rush was actually better than the talents in the same row?
fleet anchor
I mean you could argue "left side" passives are often not good by design. But I figure they should be close.
limber lion
I actually like Exsang as a talent and concept, too bad it doesn't do much.
bronze steppe
!oh
prisma monolithBOT
Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.
fleet anchor
@marble hemlock Vein Rippers design is definitely a little more interesting although I'd like it to be its own on-use rather than Vanish
limber lion
got 99% log on sludge hc tnx for ur log <@!165215952479322112>
Good job!
fleet anchor
Vanish is probably already a little too overloaded with DPS value atm
vast pond
Exang is a really cool talent. Too bad cool doesn't always mean good. Alacrity just needs to be baked in so we have more choice.
marble hemlock
<@!210784027752398848> Vein Rippers design is definitely a little more interesti...
Yeah, uncoupling it from vanish is important
stoic needle
@marble hemlock I'd like to see exsang reworked into a single target version of vein rippers on use, that becomes aoe when vendetta is up
gusty mirage
The feeling when blizz put more thought into our torghast anima powers than SL changes 
marble hemlock
Ct should be baseline, put vein rippers there instead, remove exsang, replace with kb
north basin
torgast audience > mythic raiders
stoic needle
That would make vendetta into a meaningful aoe cooldown and remove the vanish dependency
gusty mirage
CT definitely should've been made baseline
fleet anchor
SecTec probably just needed to be deleted or merged somehow as an improvement to Black Powder
marble hemlock
Yeah
fleet anchor
It's totally vestigial now 😦
stoic needle
Honestly I think black powder should just go
And sec tec be made baseline in its place
limber lion
Honestly I think black powder should just go
spicy take
stoic needle
Black powder just doesn't make any sense as part of sub
marble hemlock
I mean, with bp being a thing now, sub at least has a baseline aoe finisher
The fact that outlaw and assa don't is just ridiculous
fleet anchor
I'm not big on the b a s e l i n e train because I deal with Havoc players that literally want every talent in the entire Havoc talent tree to be baseline
BUT
gusty mirage
which was its biggest issue in bfa iirc
fleet anchor
I do think Crimson Tempest should be baseline
stoic needle
They could lower the cd of sectech to make it replace bp
gusty mirage
it had like no aoe and they gutted the aoe -> st funnel after zul
fleet anchor
Because I think all CP specs should have an AoE CP dump
marble hemlock
Imagine ret having to talent divine storm
gentle gyro
can rogue just have DfA back
stoic needle
Making the burst spec have sustained aoe just doesn't make sense
marble hemlock
Oh hey, thrash is a talent now
fleet anchor
I mean tbf Seli
marble hemlock
Whirlwind talent only
fleet anchor
It took a long time for Feral to get an AoE CP finisher too 😦
gentle gyro
both of these are generators, not spenders
marble hemlock
It's just dumb that a combo point>finisher class, has an aoe builder but no finisher
fleet anchor
But Feral is basically Furry Assassination
gentle gyro
not wrong
limber lion
I really wanna level a Feral just for that reason.
gentle gyro
Make Killing Spree baseline as an AoE Finisher
marble hemlock
A lot of classes have a similar resource system and their aoe dumps are baseline
fleet anchor
I mean Outlaw's design is fine
gentle gyro
that ability is so frickin cool
fleet anchor
Black Powder wasn't a bad idea either
gentle gyro
pleeeeeeease let me have it
fleet anchor
Design-wise Black Powder has issues, but the concept of an AoE finisher is fine
marble hemlock
And gouge really needs to come back for all specs...
fleet anchor
But CT would really be better if it was something baseline tuned to be used on 3T+
limber lion
I wiped us once on mythic SLG because I used Killing Spree when Wicked Blades went out and it clipped on me while I was woosh wooshing
marble hemlock
Getting snd back which they just automate for every spec, but gouge isn't...
sleek otter
now if gouge came back without dots breaking it, Id be pumped
limber lion
SnD is such a boring ability.
gentle gyro
it is
limber lion
Especially now that they removed the energy regen for Assa
marble hemlock
It would still be a nice disrupt
gentle gyro
it's a prime example of blizz not understanding what the playerbase wants when they say "unprune classes"
marble hemlock
Even if it insta breaks from dots
gentle gyro
same way pala got back "turn evil". yeah man. that's what paladins wanted.
limber lion
Just give Rogue's PI.
gentle gyro
oh and all specs can now use SotR, except one spec doesn't even use shields
limber lion
Jk we have Alacrity already
stoic needle
I don't like black powder because it gives sub sustained aoe, but it's bad at it
I don't think they should have sustained aoe to begin with
sleek otter
Just give rogues back preparation Kappa
stoic needle
Much less a poor attempt at it
Sectech is more sub flavored and thematic than black powder
late birch
Someone said it's better to open with putting up SND first then rupture? im running MA leggo with NS is it not better to gar>mut>rupture>mut>SND?
stoic needle
It should be the baseline one and bp shouldn't exist
late birch
sincei can put rupture on 5 CP and SND on 4
limber lion
Someone said it's better to open with putting up SND first then rupture? im runn...
No
stoic needle
Maybe make the cdr stronger if you have to
balmy condor
sincei can put rupture on 5 CP and SND on 4
Why would that matter
late birch
really?
gentle gyro
you want SnD first for the enhanced regen / attackspeed
marble hemlock
Might change with 9.0.5
late birch
oke cool ty
marble hemlock
Might.
gentle gyro
because of 1 more energy for the first tick?
limber lion
Wouldn't be surprised.
gentle gyro
na man
marble hemlock
No more 10% regen from snd
gentle gyro
yeah. unless you totally butcher it you can do w/e
my openers never look the same, partially because you have to adapt
limber lion
Might be noticeable for the first 10s :^) but yeah won't be after the boss is dead
spice spire
Did somebody say opener 
limber lion
My opener is always very similar, partly because I play with MA and it rids you of the RNG element for 8s.
balmy condor
my openers never look the same, partially because you have to adapt
Hard to believe honestly
sleek otter
Im thinking new subt opener would be
Garrote-SND-Mut(till4)-Rup-Vendetta(and trinkets)- Sepsis- Shiv- Mut- Env
stoic needle
Yeah just quad garotte on ST, ezclap. Impossible to screw up, giga deeps
limber lion
Im thinking new subt opener would be
Garrote-SND-Mut(till4)-Rup-Vendetta(and tr...
I'm not a big believer in 1cp finishers
stoic needle
I think there's a strong case for a 1cp SnD with cttc
limber lion
fuck that's true
stoic needle
You could spend 1 cp on SND only for nearly the entire fight and use those cp on rupture instead
spice spire
Yeah just quad garotte on ST, ezclap. Impossible to screw up, giga deeps <:pogge...
GIGA uptime!!!
marble hemlock
Psure whisp and i have spent a decent amount of time on openers and just decided that it's not worth spending hours on figuring out which opener does 10 more dps in a 5min fight
gentle gyro
Hard to believe honestly
i said partially. majorly because my brain is damn smooth
smooth as a marble
marble hemlock
With cttc things will change a bit though
limber lion
Psure whisp and i have spent a decent amount of time on openers and just decided...
I wish I knew how to customize the apl, because I live for those juicy 10dps increases.
I tried doing a sub-action list for my stupid opener and I couldn't get it to work after an hour. So I just gave up.
balmy condor
i said partially. majorly because my brain is damn smooth
My opener actually just never changes
But brain smooth is a problem
Sorry to hear it
gentle gyro
i mean, whether mutilate crits or not changes it up a bit
balmy condor
No it doesn’t
wary ice
g m snd m m r?
balmy condor
No
sleek otter
I mean it only changes how many times u mutilate tho
sleek otter
its still same prio
balmy condor
In opener, yes
tight ravine
how hard for torghast at sim?
gentle gyro
i learn more things every day
balmy condor
Sim opener was going shiv into 1 cp rupture
sleek otter
yah its literally same thing, doesnt matter if it crits or not
oblique flare
barbaric 
balmy condor
And that’s perfectly fine
oblique flare
5 cp or bust
stoic needle
Sim opener was going shiv into 1 cp rupture
marble hemlock
Sim opener was going shiv into 1 cp rupture
wary ice
lol
tight ravine
as sin**
wary ice
godly tbh
limber lion
how hard for torghast at sim?
Probably asking if Torghast is hard for sin or not and it can be if you don't get good powers. Sub is definitely easier.
balmy condor
I mean it doesn’t anymore, because of the sync changes koji made
tight ravine
hm
balmy condor
But individually, there wasn’t a gain moving that shiv
limber lion
You can't exactly run to the last boss of every floor, you need to get some powers on the way.
balmy condor
So it was just there
sleek otter
gonna be cool that improved poisons ranked 2 that was bugged for months isnt bugged anymore
limber lion
Probably won't make much of a difference in your gameplay
limber lion
We lost Envenom pandemic, gained insta-application of dots.
You win some, you lose some.
sleek otter
yea FeelsSadMan
I hope they fix that soon
Maybe it was intentional because of CTTC? but even still, that would be so dumb if it was
balmy condor
We lost Envenom pandemic, gained insta-application of dots.
Raising the value of CT single target we love to see it
stoic needle
Raising the value of CT single target we love to see it
We actually do love to see it
marble hemlock
Alac ct bug still exists
marble hemlock
Ah nice
stoic needle
Envenom in keys I sleep
balmy condor
It’s single target
limber lion
You do on some bosses.
stoic needle
Which ones?
limber lion
It's a gain on Generals/Huntsman/SK
Basically any boss with 2+ targets at all times.
stoic needle
Generals and huntsman are kinda iffy because they aren't always 2t
There's a few gaps
tight ravine
dooooomblade soon
sleek otter
yea when huntman pulls out second pet
subtle tundra
i got r1 huntsman but private log
limber lion
Well I did do 1k more damage than the r2 parse on HC Huntsman with CT
gentle gyro
CT benefits from Zoldycks, yeah?
stoic needle
Yep
limber lion
Doubt it
sleek otter
yea its a bleed
limber lion
Did the previous r1 also have pi?
@ this
gentle gyro
i mean yeah it is a bleed but blizz is insanely inconsistent
subtle tundra
you did get 2 PIs ceverion XD
gentle gyro
let's just say envenom apparently is both a poison and not a poison
limber lion
I did.
sleek otter
in this case they arent consistent, it works
limber lion
Never said I didn't.
stoic needle
It's hard to tell how much of your extra damage is from pi and how much is from ct
sleek otter
are*
subtle tundra
so its not a very good comparison
gentle gyro
in this case they arent consistent, it works
limber lion
I'll sim PI for you on 2 targets 3 minutes and see how much more it does
Assuming 2 targets 100% of the time, unlike on Huntsman where it's closer to 80%
sleek otter
buff poison bomb and Ill be happy
stoic needle
Rework
sleek otter
but mooooom\
stoic needle
Don't just buff it the way it is
stoic needle
It should be like: envenoms during shiv proc poison bomb
sleek otter
would that be a gain?
would prob be a slight gain
u can usually only fit 2 or 3 env in 9 seconds
would be consistent tho
stoic needle
Considering PB is random, getting 2-3 guaranteed procs every 30s is kinda similar to the proc rate we have now
But it makes it controllable
sleek otter
would be awesome in pvp if that was a thing
stoic needle
Right?
sleek otter
adds about 6k dmg to kidney burst
stoic needle
It would be pretty nice in m+ too
stoic needle
If only we had a class developer 
sleek otter
Truuuuuuuuue
tight ravine
doooooom
stoic needle
Doomblade GANG
Who among you has the pure unadulterated chaddiness to join me in the mastery stack doomblade cult
Our envenom DPET will blot out the sun
signal gulch
strange python
tame lake
Coomblade is love coomblade is life
median birch
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
lost mist
i hate sin but i will be honest, i miss the fact that blizz loves it more than any other rogue spec... just let ANY rogue spec be top and i will be happy to play it
tame lake
I got my coom up to 225 this week
stoic needle
When I highroll crits and get a 99 or 100 because of my giga mastery I'll be the one laughing
tame lake
I hit a 12k envenom in a 2s the other day and I nutted
stoic needle
I hit a 26k envenom on sludgefist
No mastery stack no doomblade
I think if I went full mastery stack with doomblade I could hit a 50k easy
tame lake
Oh lol I had blade but I also was like 200 ilvl
stoic needle
I wonder if I can restore all of the mastery gear I sold and disenchanted 
tame lake
Why mastery tho isn’t it ass
proud badge
yeah you can @stoic needle
tame lake
Don’t you want haste
proud badge
mastery for envenom damage I guess
stoic needle
Why mastery tho isn’t it ass
It adds more damage to envenom per point of stat than any other secondary. The goal of the build is to get the biggest envenom possible
It's a meme, totally not bis, but I want to do it anyway
gentle gyro
memes > dps
stoic needle
If you get really lucky with crit and crit all of your envenoms you'll do more damage than a haste/crit statted sin rogue, but it's less consistent
It's all about the one in a million high roll
tight ravine
also we do a lot of theorycrafting in this channel
and i was wondering how up-to-date the sin guide is on wowhead
stoic needle
It's pretty up to date
tight ravine
and not just "check the timestamp" but rather how accurate
stoic needle
Well it doesn't have the ptr stuff reflected in it yet
But other than that it's solid
tight ravine
got it
tame lake
Wait mastery works on envenom? Lmao I thought it was just considered a nature dmg ability not a poison
stoic needle
Wait mastery works on envenom? Lmao I thought it was just considered a nature dm...
RIGHT
But no, it actually does
tame lake
That makes no sense
stoic needle
If you go to the page for our mastery on wowhead you'll see that envenom is affected
Blizzard is just inconsistent as shit
tame lake
Either way I hit a fat crit in full haste gear and I was a full coomblade truther
stoic needle
Just swapping my doomblade gloves from crit/haste to haste/mast or crit/mast adds like 300 dmg to an envenom crit
If you have a full set of mastery gear your envenoms will be fucking nuclear bombs
And it makes your garotte and rupture hit harder too
I wonder if mastery stack could ever make CT worth running on ST with doomblade
full token
what stats do i wnt as ASS pvp?
tender fjord
Who among you has the pure unadulterated chaddiness to join me in the mastery st...
I am with you in this, not by choice but by my vault trolling me
stoic needle
Haste vers
slim siren
what is looking like our best leggo after the changes is it still gonna be zoldyk or are the other ones improving enough to over take it
tender fjord
what is looking like our best leggo after the changes is it still gonna be zoldy...
There is no single best legendary for all scenarios
sleek otter
imagine if our mastery was "Poisoned targets take X% more dmg"
slim siren
for mythic plus then
scarlet sequoia
imagine if our mastery was "Poisoned targets take X% more dmg"
wouldnt make any sense at all considering everything is poisoned
tender fjord
I am with you in this, not by choice but by my vault trolling me
I’m at 30% (and that’s without weapons which have also mastery 😅)
Logged out with a fishing rod equipped like a true G
tender fjord
for mythic plus then
Zoldyck is a real good bet, but so is MA
If you have MA id recommend playing around with it a bit before committing to assa and Zoldyck
slim siren
i already play both ma and zold
was just wondering if the changes would actually be worth making a new leggo
tender fjord
Oh mb i misread
I think it’s very difficult to objectively compare MA and Zoldyck for m+
So changes will not make that easier
sleek sparrow
Sim can't break 6k yet 
stoic needle
once 9.0.5 hits doomblade or dashing will definitely be worth crafting
no good mastery gear to item restore
tender fjord
If you look at difference before and after 9.0.5, Zoldyck would win I think, just because MA loses value by whitelisted trinkets and NW weapons
sleek otter
Im just excited cuz I already upgrade doomblade for pvp
tender fjord
But that is a cheesy answer tbh
sleek otter
😄
spice spire
Osh recommends dashing, HANG HIM UP BOYs.
stoic needle
well, MA also got a boost because of APL optimizations
slim siren
yea i figured it wasnt gonna do much tbh
spice spire
Dashing might actually bis for single target
stoic needle
with sepsis
spice spire
And I’m memeing. Doomblade FEELS right
sleek otter
EXACTLY
slim siren
oh yea has anyone seen if venth ability is gonna be good
im so tired of being other cov
spice spire
Feelcraft isn’t always the truth tho
stoic needle
dashing increases your envenom crit chance by 15% because this game is coded with 
stoic needle
necrolord is gonna be quite competitive after the buff too
spice spire
We won’t know until Necro lord update. But venthyr, NF, and necrolord are all forerunners
sleek otter
me wanna suck
stoic needle
expect to see big 10k+ SBS crits
spice spire
Kyrian are the
bleak sun
Ehe venthyr sin here
slim siren
im just glad they fixed the abilitys second cast it was the worst thing in the world honestly
sleek otter
Thats prob the only reason I didnt go suck covenant, felt awkward to use
gentle gyro
when is the .5 patch supposed to be live?
slim siren
yep same
bleak sun
20march no ?
sleek otter
I went from NF to Kyrian to NF
viscid coral
Venth or Maldraxus?
sleek otter
me will prob be Venth
thick bridge
so , now dashing scoundrel is the best for PVP? 🙂
sleek otter
noooooooooooooooooooooooo
#cursed
plus dashing doesnt pandemic atm
so I doubt it would be super good
limber lion
I think if I went full mastery stack with doomblade I could hit a 50k easy
Definitely. I hit 49k with MA lege, EP NS MFD talents
stoic needle
so , now dashing scoundrel is the best for PVP? 🙂
nah, dashing isn't good for pvp at all. MA or doomblade are best right now, MA for 2s and doomblade for 3s /rbg teamfights
limber lion
bleak sun
Hum thats pretty huge
stoic needle
https://gyazo.com/f956e567e51208135e57cd7903719335
spice spire
Bruh I’m happy with my 22k and you’re deadass hitting a 50 burger? Come on
stoic needle
so I doubt it would be super good
doomblade is bugged too. the dot is being affected by armor. if neither bug is fixed i believe dashing will be slightly better than doomblade
everyone go on the PTR right now and report envenom and doomblade being bugged
gogogogo
sharp falcon
explain envenom bug
stoic needle
the envenom buff is supposed to pandemic but it isn't on live
sharp falcon
"supposed to" based on? (seems like a weird thing to suddenly stop working)
did it used to pandemic?
limber lion
It used to work for like 9 years and now it doesn't. Blizzard hasn't said anything
sleek otter
even if it is better, DS cant DOOOOOOM
tender fjord
Overall I’d suggest not crafting anything/switching covenant until they announce the new patch and “final” changes
limber lion
But yeah. PI doesn't give 1000 damage and CT is better than PB on 2 targets.
tender fjord
Or even when it goes live. And even that is no guarantee you’ll make the right choice
teal bloom
Just beat HC Sire for the first time Pog 😄 My damage wasn't really good but kill is a kill
limber lion
That's also a bit scuffed because I was using Vigor and not MFD, even though the sim suggest MFD.
spice spire
Just beat HC Sire for the first time Pog 😄 My damage wasn't really good but kil...
Damage doesn’t matter as long as you kill, grats on the huge W - obviously hyperbolic. But the kill is the goal!
limber lion
Just beat HC Sire for the first time Pog 😄 My damage wasn't really good but kil...
Hell yeah
stoic needle
Just beat HC Sire for the first time Pog 😄 My damage wasn't really good but kil...
big grats
god dammit i need to kill that motherfucker
teal bloom
Thanks all 😄
limber lion
i'll have to try out that build the next time i do huntsman
Yeah. PB is simming 250 dps less (for me) even without PI. It's huge.
spice spire
Same here dog. I need my guild to stop shuffling roles 😛
We pulled him 3 times last week. This week we pull him all Monday
limber lion
CT is busted tbh
sharp falcon
oshosi, explain doomblade bug, is armor "double-dipping" mitigating both the initial hit AND the dot?
stoic needle
i already parse pretty well on huntsman i'm gonna go for that 99
spice spire
oshosi, explain doomblade bug, is armor "double-dipping" mitigating both the ini...
Yes
stoic needle
oshosi, explain doomblade bug, is armor "double-dipping" mitigating both the ini...
yes indeed. mutilate dmg is armor reduced, and then the dot is being reduced by armor as well. someone even showed a log where the dot got parried
gentle gyro
Lul
spice spire
Dot getting parried is pretty
limber lion
Same here dog. I need my guild to stop shuffling roles 😛
We pulled him 3 times ...
Don't worry boys, you'll both get it this week. #believe
main forge
I'm typically down there I. The early teens. Grats that boss is nuts and fun and asa note I tend to look at damage taken and death % to see how I do for that fight. Was sitting as one of the last to die feels good.
stoic needle
this is push week though >_>
its hard to choose between M+ and suffering through sire pugs
gentle gyro
Every week is push week
main forge
Pushing on hard weeks actually makes you better.
spice spire
Yessir. Luckily I have the guild over osh. So that’s a little bit easier of a feat.
Sire pugs have been pretty
stoic needle
i've been pushing every week
but this week i found a group to push with
so i'm trying to get as many 15s timed as I can
spice spire
Our hpal one shot it last week with a pug. Dude is a nut tho
stoic needle
if i get lucky I could get ksm this week or next week
spice spire
Yo CEV. Happy late bday my guy. Grats on KSM too. That’s GIGA
tight ravine
also which slot is bis for doomblade
limber lion
Cheers boys 
spice spire
Shoulders mostly. Higher stat cap
stoic needle
do you guys run cheat death or elusiveness in higher keys? i cant really decide. cheat helps me when i fuck up but elusiveness is nice for bursting this week
shoulders and gloves have the same stats actually
stoic needle
yeah 
limber lion
do you guys run cheat death or elusiveness in higher keys? i cant really decide....
I just run Cheat Death on all content tbh, I can't be arsed with Elusiveness
gentle gyro
Cheat death
spice spire
Holy moly. I’m lit.
So doesn’t matter
stoic needle
i press feint like my life depends on it
spice spire
Choose the weaker piece
gentle gyro
Elusiveness only in pvp
sharp falcon
dead ppl deal no damage
spice spire
Using energy for healer mechanics
stoic needle
you do 0 dps when you're dead though 
spice spire
^
stoic needle
lmao
spice spire
Standing in sanguine? Healer should have out-healed it
limber lion
Should have predicted that I get insta-shot by a cleave mechanic
spice spire
That’s a healer mechanic my guy
slim siren
do you guys still have that sharpend blades buff?
limber lion
do you guys still have that sharpend blades buff?
The Azerite Trait from BFA? No
tender fjord
do you guys run cheat death or elusiveness in higher keys? i cant really decide....
Cheat death is almost too good to pass up on. I like to see it as my own personal battle res
stoic needle
yeah that's the thing
just not dying is so huge in keys
but the damage reduction from elusiveness is no small thing either
tender fjord
Elusiveness might be the big brain move, but usually when I proc cheat death I didn’t see it coming
stoic needle
lmao
limber lion
I value Cheat Death much higher because usually you die to an insta-shot mechanic if something
tender fjord
So elusiveness would be 0 value there
limber lion
And not something that slowly kills you
stoic needle
the fucking cleaves from the big skeletons in NW
burnt star
Elusivness wont save u from a 1 shot
limber lion
It's usually due to poor positioning, getting cleaved, missing a mechanic or something of the sort
tender fjord
Tanks dancing with cleave mobs like it’s a tango
limber lion
It's a loooot of energy wasted during the dungeon honestly
35 isn't much but when you use it 30 times, it stacks up
burnt star
If u die to damage. U would have died with elusiv as well..
stoic needle
last night on my PF15 I tried to soak like 3 of those slimes that spawn after the plague belchers die because the last time i did PF was a 12
tender fjord
I still press feint pretty often for everything it might suppress just if I see my healer has to go hard
stoic needle
i just went poof
I had no clue they did so much more damage on a fort 15
and also those stupid tentacles gripping me into the plagueborer explosion 
tender fjord
Then I usually panic and activate all defensive
limber lion
And it's [Elusiveness] pretty niche for what it does. Usually your healer should be able to heal up periodic damage
Also, Cheat Death is honestly op as fuck
You can tank pretty much any mechanic in the game and survive.
brittle pawn
Chained to someone? Not for long
limber lion
Yeah it's so troll, you can literally kill your partner in Sludge and not even die
lmao
stoic needle
Cheat death is so nice but I wish it were more consistent for how long the cd is
Feels bad to get one shot through it or to get double hit and still die
I'm just gonna run cheat all week and collect data for whispyr's defensives spreadsheet 
fleet whale
eh, ironically, Cheat Death might be the weakest "Cheat Death" effect in the game currently
not that there are many of them i guess
quiet juniper
does poison bomb stack if I manage to get lucky ?
fleet whale
like if you proc it twice in a row? Yeah you'll have two separate pools and they both will do full damage
quiet juniper
I see
jagged bobcat
any idea what assassination leggo i should instantly upgrade to 235?
Zoldyck/Dusk/Doom im assuming
gentle gyro
Tiny toxic blade 
stoic needle
What are you playing sin for
sleek otter
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
gentle gyro
sleek otter
just trust
jagged bobcat
Outlaw in raid/keys atm
zealous oxide
which covenant are people looking to go in Raid and M+ venthyr?
sleek otter
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
stoic needle
Probably doomblade
jagged bobcat
were progging on sludge
stoic needle
But having zold at 235 for sire isn't a terrible idea either
gentle gyro
@sleek otter stop dooooming you coooomer
stoic needle
I want to have the biggest dickest doomblade envenom competition
stoic needle
Sadge
sleek otter
@gentle gyro
sleek otter
its PTR LMAO
limber lion
LMAO
Marksman Hunter? I sleep
Assa Rogue? REAL SHIT
Got +18 De Other Side completed. Don't have to go to that dungeon in a looooong while, fuck yes
gentle gyro
hunter was french, and we all know the aim of french marksmen is bad
iron orchid
https://gyazo.com/0057c7cec50b57219cd58f8d5d3c1332
NICE
slender trail
shots fired (and missed)
slender trail
https://gyazo.com/0057c7cec50b57219cd58f8d5d3c1332
what's your damage breakdown?
limber lion
what's your damage breakdown?
Rarely see Crimson Tempest at the top, usually it's garrote
icy crater
dos has a lot of bigger pulls tho ?
slender trail
so was it just a lot of medium size pulls that lived a long time due to fort? and was that with zold?
loud niche
any action on the PTR for us, or are we still bottom of the barrel?
limber lion
any action on the PTR for us, or are we still bottom of the barrel?
Not bottom of the barrel, but nothing significant. We got some new stuff, but lost something else. Still no sims for the new SBS.
icy crater
are you using MA ceverion?
limber lion
so was it just a lot of medium size pulls that lived a long time due to fort? an...
Yeah, it's the usual DoS route with like 4-5 mob pulls. I did run Zoldyck for this dungeon
icy crater
icic
iron orchid
yeah
20.8% is huge tho x)
never got that personally
But i didn't use it enough until today
limber lion
It's a lot for sure. This is the breakdown on Territorial Bladebeak which was my #1 damage target
iron orchid
I guess that's about legit
limber lion
So makes sense
iron orchid
Yup
arctic cloud
Just posted this in the wrong channel: I’m probably an idiot. However where’s the new flag changes? I’ve read them 1-2 times before but I want to remind myself of what could of been before it gets nerfed
balmy condor
I’d be pretty surprised if more than the conduit gets nerfed
arctic cloud
What the ability does (will do)
gentle gyro
craft doomblade on shoulders or hands?
arctic cloud
Compared to the 17 GCDs it takes to use now
placid dawn
its basically press once and it does damage
stoic needle
doesn't matter, whichever is your worse slot @gentle gyro
gentle gyro
i mean it technically does matter, no? shoulders have a higher stat allocation
limber lion
If you plan on killing mythic Stone Legion, then gloves are the better option.
limber lion
i mean it technically does matter, no? shoulders have a higher stat allocation
And no, they literally have the same stat allocation.
balmy condor
Press button, do damage, 12 seconds of spending cp gives extra damage and a haste buff, haste buff lasts an additional 12 seconds
gentle gyro
wait really?
limber lion
61 agility at 226
balmy condor
wait really?
Yes
arctic cloud
Press button, do damage, 12 seconds of spending cp gives extra damage and a hast...
Do you have to click it again to gain the haste or is it a fire and forget?
gentle gyro
ok then nvm my question
spice spire
I got punked too flint. TIL this exact thing
balmy condor
Do you have to click it again to gain the haste or is it a fire and forget?
Fire and forget
arctic cloud
Happy days luckily enough I’m a casual rn and I’m sat at 30 renown on venthyr
gentle gyro
then let's see what is more .... affordable
loud niche
mystler confirms scaling is a thing on wowhead? PogU
assassination scaling into top ST dps spec 9.0.5?
gentle gyro
S C A L I N G
spice spire
We also scale with buffs in all fairness, but that’s not an assassination only thing
loud niche
PogU assassination making a comeback due to scaling in 9.0.5 sounds great!
icy crater
nvm fuck this
spice spire
Yeah I wouldn’t go down that path
balmy condor
balmy condor
Keeping my eye on 2 channels
icy crater
nah its fine
balmy condor
Aight
icy crater
nothing to see here
spice spire
More stats = more damage. Is the tl;dr
icy crater
stop you'll make me respond
balmy condor
More stats = more damage. Is the tl;dr
Hype we love more stats
loud niche
yeah, but that would apply to otl too
spice spire
Yo you right
icy crater
remove it from my vision I can't control myself
loud niche
more stats is good for all, but more stats seems to just be better for sin
spice spire
Oh no no no
loud niche
S C A L I N G boyos
loud niche
reality! mystler says so
spice spire
If you meme enough it becomes reality, whispyr
icy crater
I'm doing everything in my power to not talk about the s word
gentle gyro
we scale better dude
spice spire
You’re all wrong.
What they fail to embrace is that assassination rogue is simply built different
gentle gyro
make "scaling" a banphrase tyvm
spice spire
loud niche
lol then make TC rogues stop using it on wowhead tyvm
icy crater
so my blood pressure and body temp is steadily increasing
loud niche
it's okay bro. just embrace mystler's scaling love
gentle gyro
hey, maybe if we continue we can use Jordan as an infinite energy resource
and feed off his hatred
loud niche
PogU we've defeated thermodynamics with..... SCALING
on a more serious note, why is sin doing so much better on 905 beta than otl
spice spire
More buffs
loud niche
i dont actually understand, and i know that scaling is a big meme.
gentle gyro
buffs and changes to how the spec works
digital zodiac
yo guys, what do you think the best leggo is for progress? like Zoldyck seems only good once you are getting the boss into 30%
gentle gyro
cttc
spice spire
Simply, we get a push on energy regen with VW buff and CttC allows for more damaging finishers
balmy condor
reality! mystler says so
Where tho
loud niche
gentle gyro
yo guys, what do you think the best leggo is for progress? like Zoldyck seems on...
my personal take would still be zoldyck's because progress bosses have this tendency to live too long at the end
balmy condor
Okay but where in that does he say we scale
gentle gyro
execute is really valuable on progress fights
loud niche
"I wish Blizzard would look more into continuous balancing and locating where issues lie. The Sub and Outlaw Rogue spec auras were not touched since 8.1 in 2018! There was no tuning (aside from legendaries or conduits) for the entirety of Shadowlands Alpha, Beta, and 9.0 release. In other words, Rogue balancing feels like things just happen by random chance and the reason Sub started out fairly well (compared to BfA) in Shadowlands was pure luck from the few changes they made to spec gameplay. I miss some active balancing. With more active balancing and tuning, "scaling" wouldn't have to be such a buzzword in the community and the Warcraft Logs statistics wouldn't be spanning such a big range." to be precise
balmy condor
Okay
And what is that supposed to show me
That scaling is a buzzword and blizzard doesn’t tune as often as they should?
balmy condor
Well then I suggest you fucking stop
icy crater
xd
loud niche
lol why
icy crater
Scaling is at the point where the meme kind of isn't funny any more
because so many ppl believe the wrong shit that its just annoying
loud niche
it was a bit of fun, and then i asked the actual question behind my wonder.
balmy condor
Because trolling ain’t allowed, trolling this topic in particular ain’t funny, and because I’m asking you to
icy crater
Because people don't actually understand what the word means or implies
loud niche
is it not? so if i go back in logs on several different chat's i can't find people trolling me neigh endlessly in this discord?
loud niche
nice. I'll copy/paste it to wowhead since every other class TC always seems to mention it
balmy condor
Who
loud niche
think it was mages and hunter's TC's on the rdps post
oh w9
you meant who trolled me?
loud niche
that's probably a solid strat
but i shouldn't have to block community figures or admins
and seems like a solid way to go to ban town if you block admins idk
balmy condor
Dude
loud niche
whaddap
loud niche
hm, i think that there's probably a difference between making jokes in any form, and actually insulting someone based on their views too, however i'd bundle it all as trolling
balmy condor
What?
loud niche
so but back to my actual question, do we know why sin is pushing higher in ST on ptr than otl?
loud niche
i thought that someone said we didn't get buffs? what's changed on ptr for the bois?
balmy condor
There’s a hundred million pins on the topic
loud niche
i thought there were no changes to the top dps set up tho, as in niya burrs still beat out venth? i must have missed a lot in the last week or so then
balmy condor
The top dps setup changed covenants, conduits, and legendary
loud niche
my my.. thanks
balmy condor
Np
loud niche
were these changes put out on wowhead at all? i can't believe i missed that we're going to be using doomblade and venth
outer lodge
can't wait to grind an entire new covenant...
loud niche
haha
spice spire
Blue posts my dude
loud niche
at least they made it more likely to drop renown from all those tasks
outer lodge
If they implement sweeping changes like this that significantly change covenants they need to expedite the renown gain when swapping
balmy condor
were these changes put out on wowhead at all? i can't believe i missed that we'r...
Yes, all the big stuff was datamined in ptr passes
spice spire
They have, but renown gain is actually pretty quick. It’s a lot quicker than it once was. The major wall seems to be the quest line
low girder
by the time this is out you'll be able to hit 31 without any storyline
shouldn't be too awful
limber lion
This shit is gonna be impossible to time without Master Assa next patch
Yeah this is my first ever, I only have one +18 as well
not gonna lie I'm sweating a bit after that
balmy condor
10.7k overall with 6m damage from spears lmao
Didn’t I tell you tho 
limber lion
Didn’t I tell you tho <:PepeLaugh:662670462538743818>
I know right, I was thinking 7.6k or whatever was sick but this shit is insane
brittle pawn
What's the doomblade bug?
ornate lake
brittle pawn
Oh so it's not bugged in sims is what that pin is saying
Or sims calculate it with the bug fixed
gloomy fern
do rupture+garrote do dmg to remornia when she is away doing massacre and stuff or is she immune and shit then btw
iron orchid
two days ago I was 4/10 M, we just got 6/10M x)
I'm happy, Spires 19 stream coming in about 30~40 minutes 
brittle pawn
jade coral
I'm happy, Spires 19 stream coming in about 30~40 minutes <a:party_dogo:75368839...
sin key?
gloomy fern
where is cutting edge at
limber lion
"i don't know about getting curve because it's push week" - oshosi 2 hours ago
stoic needle
where is cutting edge at
limber lion
Good job dawg :^)
stoic needle
i didn't expect it to happen tbh
limber lion
I can't get into any groups because my r.io hasn't updated yet :''( guess it's time to sleep and do more keys tomorrow
iron orchid
link to stream? 🙂
polyvalence_dei on twitch
ionic cave
yo so doomblade and venthyr might be good for 9.0.5?
iron orchid
I can't get into any groups because my r.io hasn't updated yet :''( guess it's t...
tomorrow man
stoic needle
I can't get into any groups because my r.io hasn't updated yet :''( guess it's t...
gotta pay for that instant update
inner granite
@limber lion The MA stuff in NW is insane man, I hit 12k overall as outlaw last night in an 18
worldly bridge
Are pins up-to-date with Serrated Bone Spike rework ?
iron orchid
Are pins up-to-date with Serrated Bone Spike rework ?
SBS rework is not implemented in sims yet
worldly bridge
SBS rework is not implemented in sims yet
ty
feeling bad for those early birds swapping to venthyr if necro become actually better
limber lion
Alright, sleepy time. Good luck on your key Dei
young pebble
How well does Assassin cleave stack up to Outlaw? Can DoT spread remain competitive with flurry?
stoic needle
it's about 10% worse
spice spire
How well does Assassin cleave stack up to Outlaw? Can DoT spread remain competit...
From my experience if the cleave is more than 15s long ie. the pack doesn’t Insta die, sin is competitive otherwise not so much
stoic needle
ooga booga blade flurry is just too good
spice spire
I’d say probably 20s given the initial prep time for garrotes
misty holly
grats!!! I just started that encounter last night. Probably will be a week or 2 for me yet.
shy dust
Grats man!
solar flicker
why is there no proggers or progchamp emote
stoic needle
grats!!! I just started that encounter last night. Probably will be a week or 2...
It's honestly a really fun fight. Learning all the little optimizations and timings over the pulls has been fun
plain jewel
so how come ppl be recomending doomblade now, if dashing scoundrel sims higher
or is it just me
agile geode
young pebble
so how come ppl be recomending doomblade now, if dashing scoundrel sims higher
I feel like we need to wait a little longer to get some proper sims since DS and Doomblade are both pugged on the PTR
But they're both looking juicy
visual lake
does anyone know if there is a way to boost renown on ptr?
I know you can recruit followers and pvp currency etc but i cant see anything for renown?
digital zodiac
Any reason why Doomblade lego is simming best for me ?
safe canopy
never tried sin on council is it worth?
icy crater
Any reason why Doomblade lego is simming best for me ?
its probably the best
safe canopy
decent value out zold with the 3 30% phases or nah
tacit forum
so how come ppl be recomending doomblade now, if dashing scoundrel sims higher
I’ve tried both on ptr. Same rotation multiple times and Doomblade came on top every time.
tacit forum
Sorry I meant on a dummy. The raw dmg etc.
digital zodiac
aa
tacit forum
But it’ll definitely be doomblade better for raids and DS for m+
Since we don’t multilate a whole lot on m+
digital zodiac
i would assume outlaw would be king in m+ still?
but recently switched to assass in raids and it feels way better than outlaw
deft vault
Are we even sure doom blade sims are correct? It doesn't even come close to 30% mutilate dmg whenever I play with it
young pebble
i would assume outlaw would be king in m+ still?
but recently switched to assas...
Yeah Outlaw probably still king in M+
digital zodiac
atm am using MA in raids.. Wanna make the best Assass lego,but on progress im not sure if zold is bis for progres TBH...
stoic needle
Are we even sure doom blade sims are correct? It doesn't even come close to 30% ...
Doomblade is currently bugged on live and ptr, the dot is being reduced by armor. Even with this bug it will be better on pure ST than Zoldyck
digital zodiac
and yeah just simming i was surprised it doesnt compete with doom or dashing
stoic needle
Zoldyck is definitely bis for progress and m+, and aoe in general
tacit forum
Yeah I don’t think outlaw will be outperformed by any spec when it comes to cleave.
deft vault
Is it a bug or is it intended?
stoic needle
It's a bug
Sin is more than fine in keys though, the difference between outlaw and sin doesn't matter until you're pushing 20s+
deft vault
Have they announced anything about fixing it or nah cuz that's seems like a pretty big bug
stoic needle
No
They don't really announce bug fixes
We just have to wait for more ptr patches and keep retesting it
tacit forum
Higher keys might be better for sim since trash takes time to die and Sin slow setup can bring some dmg.
stoic needle
Yes, sin does do more damage the higher key you do
tacit forum
But ofc outlaw will shine when it comes to dmg things fast.
stoic needle
But outlaw is still better overall
timber gale
So I know no one takes hidden blades but is it just like. Normal levels of suboptimal or is it Hilariously bad
timber gale
Cold Heart is one of my favorite FDK talents, and they’re very similar, so it makes me sad bc I’d love to try it in a key
young pebble
Zoldyck is definitely bis for progress and m+, and aoe in general
Are we not using MA for M+ even in sin?
tacit forum
They will prob add a lego that promotes the use o fok tho 😂
stoic needle
You can use ma, nothing wrong with it at all
tacit forum
Rogues legos are just trash
lone pine
Echoing Blades legendary when?
wary ice
So I know no one takes hidden blades but is it just like. Normal levels of subop...
Hidden blades is bad soley because CT is better in almost every practical situation
Hiddenblades also shouldnt be looked at like cold heart
If you want to compare it to a FDK talent it would be inexorable
wary ice
It keeps you from losing damage from losing uptime
stoic needle
Zoldyck is good on both fortified and tyrannical weeks, and raging, on single target and in aoe
wary ice
which isnt exactly something you need when half your spec is dots
timber gale
Yeah that makes sense - do we know btw just how much better CT is over Poison Bomb in keys? I made the swap after I’d gotten over my initial learning how to play sin / gearing up so naturally I was performing better, but I rly miss poison bomb on boss fights
where I feel like I should be pushing more
wary ice
Yeah that makes sense - do we know btw just how much better CT is over Poison Bo...
CT > PB is like a 100 dps loss on st give or take
its a ~400 dps gain over the course of the dungeon though
tacit forum
Is 9.0.5 a possibility for next week reset together with the mythic raid for NA?
stoic needle
I doubt it
They haven't even implemented the new bone spike changes yet and monk and rogue still have bugs
tacit forum
Damn
wary ice
where I feel like I should be pushing more
PB doesnt really push ST damage as much as "is used in st by virtue of being passive and not Hidden blades"
tacit forum
Everything is taking so long lol
I’m bored as hell
timber gale
That makes sense bull; I’m just sorta sad when we get there and I feel like I have a talent I shouldn’t use
Though I believe I heard in zoldyck window it’s fine to apply
stoic needle
If you have CT you should always use it on ST
tacit forum
That makes sense bull; I’m just sorta sad when we get there and I feel like I ha...
Assassination needs a rework man. Eventually if we lucky enough to get one.
stoic needle
I don't think we need a rework tbh we need a talent refresh
The core of the spec is fine
stoic needle
Yeah because it works
timber gale
I guess I don’t know when to CT in ST between applying bleeds and shiv envenom and keeping up SnD
wary ice
I guess I don’t know when to CT in ST between applying bleeds and shiv envenom a...
you dont
stoic needle
Yes you do bull
wary ice
??
tacit forum
So many bad talents
stoic needle
It's a 50 dps increase to CT on ST
wary ice
since when
tacit forum
Specially pvp ones
stoic needle
Since forever
I wouldn't refresh ct in the middle of a shiv window but you should still maintain it
timber gale
Also current venthyr talent makes it mega hard for me to judge the order I should be doing stuff - I usually just use it before dumping SnD and hope it all works out
tacit forum
CT should be baseline
timber gale
Cant wait to not have to reactivate it
stoic needle
Yeah current flag is trash
tacit forum
Super
stoic needle
Ct and alacrity should both be baseline
stoic needle
Put shrouded suff and echoing blades in their place
Ezclap
Suddenly we're amazing
stoic needle
imagine having an actual rogue developer
tacit forum
If we complain too much they will remove CT
tacit forum
Fuk so ez man if they are this lazy
Makes CT baseline and a talent that empowers it
Simple
That would do already
fading adder
what secondaries do i put on zoldyk
tacit forum
Haste crit
frozen jasper
It's a 50 dps increase to CT on ST
What is an increase ?
stoic needle
over not using it at all
frozen jasper
Oh nvm i misunderstood lol
balmy condor
an increase is usually defined as to "become or make greater in size, amount, intensity, or degree"
frozen jasper
I thought you were referring to something else being 50dps better than ct
Whispyr with the burn
I feel stupid
balmy condor
happens
sick oyster
i was reading that we should ignore the sepsic procc on assa is that true? since it doest make the mutilate cost 0?
balmy condor
by @stoic needle I think the CT stuff actually gets worse with PTR
balmy condor
i was reading that we should ignore the sepsic procc on assa is that true? since...
sepsis proc doesn't make anything free, yes
so you don't do anything with it
you just go as normal
sick oyster
ehm not mut but ambush obv my bad
stoic needle
by <@!502859708504342538> I think the CT stuff actually gets worse with PTR
you mean better, right?
balmy condor
you mean better, right? <:kekw:610125925413289985>
I hate you
sick oyster
ok thanks
stoic needle
I hate you
one of these days i'm going to sim full mastery stack sin with doomblade to see if it can be a gain to use CT on ST over PB on that
summer tapir
Sorry if this has been asked a lot already but is PTR updated with SBS changes?
balmy condor
one of these days i'm going to sim full mastery stack sin with doomblade to see ...
I don't see how that work work
stoic needle
the extra 5% envenom damage from CT being up, and mastery making CT and envenom do more damage
balmy condor
Sorry if this has been asked a lot already but is PTR updated with SBS changes?
yeh I think so
stoic needle
vs pb
balmy condor
but pb is affected by mastery too
stoic needle
yes
balmy condor
so you're relying on the 5% envenom damage eventually catching up to the difference between pb and ct?
stoic needle
yeah i guess so
balmy condor
that seems pretty unreasonable tbh
stoic needle
is it? the difference between CT and PB isn't THAT big is it?
balmy condor
it's probably like 1.5% or something like that
would assume that covenants also affect that
venthyr haste on top of CT for example
yeh I mean it actually gets slightly worse seems like
and that's venthyr as well
ionic fox
If your comp has difficulty with attendants swap to Sub and make a shadowstep macro for them ❤️
safe nacelle
Closing in on 30 Mist runs, still no dagger. I love this game.
split veldt
If your comp has difficulty with attendants swap to Sub and make a shadowstep ma...
ive never played sub for real, id be lost
ionic fox
Outlaw can also pump attendants
split veldt
yeah i started as outlaw this xpac, i just fucking hate roll the bones
as soon as Sin simmed close i made the swap
and now all is right in the world, with the exception of blizzard fucking all rogue specs this xpac
split veldt
blizzard is big mean
ive been maining sin since legion, before that i was maining combat
ionic fox
Instead i have to 99 parse to be top 5 on meters lul
split veldt
i like artificer because i get to top our damage meter because all the good classes have to do mechanics
subtle tundra
i actually really like playing MA leggo on single target
makes the opener not shit
rn i hate that i have to do like 8 gcds
before i can vendetta
stoic needle
yeh I mean it actually gets slightly worse seems like
Dreams shattered
tacit pilot
sooo do we use shiv in your rotation now or still useless
balmy condor
sooo do we use shiv in your rotation now or still useless
on cooldown,yes
tacit pilot
ty
misty holly
If the buffed Doomblade goes live with it counting Bone Spike dot 
balmy condor
it was only useless in prepatch because there was no rank 2
tacit pilot
ah k
misty holly
We need envenom icon in reactions
balmy condor
If the buffed Doomblade goes live with it counting Bone Spike dot <:100rogue:451...
was it confirmed to work?
misty holly
was it confirmed to work?
People were saying it counted a few days ago on ptr
I dont believe changes like that are intended or not until they go live tho