assassination

[shy dust]

Do seem to forget

Getting OP on pull right before exsang

[stoic needle]

Ever since I realized that mastery affected envenom

[balmy condor]

he's basically the "ooga booga me evisc big"

[shy dust]

And ascending to heights not known by humans

[balmy condor]

can you control that though?

[stoic needle]

OP?

[balmy condor]

8.3 azerite trait

[low girder]

overwhelming power

[balmy condor]

gave giga haste

the point is that you don't really control any of the snapshots in the game

[stoic needle]

Ah

[balmy condor]

you would press trinkets before exsang anyway

[low girder]

imagine waiting for procs to do things

that ain't the game anymore

[stoic needle]

So mastery gives more damage to envenom per point than vers, correct?

[balmy condor]

yes

[stoic needle]

[upbeat umbra]

Guess I'll start saving for Doomblade then just incase

[stoic needle]

God this is going against everything I thought I knew

If I want that juicy dots and envenom breakdown I need to stack mastery???

[balmy condor]

osh going down a dark dark path

was nice knowing you friend

[stoic needle]

catch me building haste/mastery doomblade

[balmy condor]

he's gone

[stoic needle]

I might actually

Mine is only 210

Those envenoms during theotar shade

Stack mastery, never press snd

[balmy condor]

he's beginning to FEEEEEEEEEEEEL

[low girder]

the question is does he stay on the light path with hachadino or does he stray even further and start making clickbait videos

[viral vigil]

What stats should I take on a dashing?

Haste/vers or mast/vers?

[balmy condor]

hacha is on the light path?

[stoic needle]

All I'm saying is that I want white autos to be as little of my damage as possible

[balmy condor]

don't put mastery on a legendary

for all that's holy

[low girder]

i mean at least he's not making videos with titles like "NEW MASTERY STACKING SIN BROKEN IN PVP?!??!"

[lyric crater]

haste cirt i idid

[low girder]

he never advocates that his way is better 😛

[balmy condor]

true

[lyric crater]

unless sin get better enegry wont see them in pvp much

[balmy condor]

huh?

[viral vigil]

[low girder]

it's not an energy thing, and you see them already lol

[stoic needle]

Sin is very good in pvp right now

[low girder]

it just has less control than sub so you play sub with RMP for the most part

rogue is never the dmg rn

[balmy condor]

imagine stretching the energy "problem" on sin, all the way to pvp

[lyric crater]

then i suck cause i feel i cant kill crap

[shy dust]

No it’s not

[viral vigil]

It's not bad

but it's not as good as sub

9.0.5 that'll change

Since Sub is jsut dyingh o

[low girder]

honestly probably won't change much

[balmy condor]

#pvp leaking again

[stoic needle]

Sin is nearly just as good as sub in pvp right now. It's got higher burst and pressure but worse control

[balmy condor]

hell boiling up to the surface

all the lost brain cells making a comeback

[stoic needle]

Don't be a hater whisp

[balmy condor]

no shit, last time I went into pvp because some guys were screaming at each other, the entire channel bar like 2 regulars just snapcasted their pent up rage straight at me

was about to mute that whole channel

fucking hell hole of a place

[stoic needle]

That reminds me of when I was ranking in classic

It... Does things to you

[hidden crypt]

hey guys, sorry fi you get this question a lot. recently been leveling my rogue planning to play assa. should i go venthyr in view of the next patch?

[stoic needle]

At least in this game you don't have to compete for bracket spots

[balmy condor]

all the covenants are very close, can play whatever flavor you enjoy

[stoic needle]

Wait a day or two for some new sims with the necrolord buff, venthyr fae and necro are looking to be very close

[balmy condor]

kyrian is slightly behidn tho

[low girder]

please let fae stay close

[hidden crypt]

interesting, any projections for raid content, which is what i'd be more interested in

[balmy condor]

please let me update sims cause I can't be fucked to answer the "necro good now?" question for another day

[tribal marlin]

and venthyr is probably slightly ahead as well

[balmy condor]

ptr sims atm are in the pins, but there's some necro changes not implemented yet that makes it look kinda good

[hidden crypt]

ok, thanks alot 🙂

[tribal marlin]

btw don't forget to set talent to 332xx21 for venthyr when doing comparativ sims

it's noticably better for Venthyr only

[balmy condor]

yes thank you, I'm the one who said that to begin with

[hidden crypt]

what's the most up to date guide of the ones in the pins btw?

[balmy condor]

they're all up to date for 9.0.2

[tribal marlin]

yeah I know but it's something I sometime forgot when doing sims

because it's not intuitive to compare different covenant with different talents (cf : pined message)

[stoic needle]

Deeper strat gaming

[balmy condor]

that cov comparison has deeper on venthyr

[tribal marlin]

my bad then I thought it was not since it's not mentionned

[balmy condor]

yeh

wasn't worth mentioning deeper for specifically venthyr, bloats the pins

[manic harness]

Doing this now so I don't forget when patch drops lol, thanks

[patent plaza]

Will our legendary priority change based on the current ptr?

[balmy condor]

you'd want doom/dashing for single target most likely

[patent plaza]

but zoldyck would remain overall im assuming?

[green peak]

Will doom count SBS? Hmm

[balmy condor]

most likely not, it currently doesn't

[tribal marlin]

No why would it ?

[balmy condor]

it's a bleed now

affected by mastery

I mean it exsanged

so who knows

[agile geode]

Ehm... @balmy condor is necro

ANY GOOD??

[balmy condor]

gtfo out

seems okay

[tribal marlin]

just wait a couple of weeks we'll publish sims once patch hit

Necro looks very potent in PvP tho

I'm not sure it will keep up with Venthyr unless they nerf venthyr in ST PVE

[distant cypress]

WHISPYR

[balmy condor]

that's me

[distant cypress]

when you gonna share with us your pawn string man 9.0.5 is around the corner

[agile geode]

Lel

Just for info

I was joking when i asked before bout necrolors

[stable moss]

doombladoe on shoulders or hands

[distant cypress]

damn it he ignored my joke

[tribal marlin]

If you have a chance to get your hands on the juicy SLG shouldres, probably hands

if you won't ever kill that boss in mythic, shoulder

in facts I believe hands and shoulder have same stat budget ?

[distant cypress]

WOAH

thats a lot of pepes

damn it Whispyr, you beat me this time

[tribal marlin]

Yes hands and shoulder have same budget

[distant cypress]

i shall return and have my revenge

[tribal marlin]

Big brain would be to wait for 9.1 PTR to include 9.1 raids loot table and then decide hehe

[quiet juniper]

Does the night fae spell sepsis exlode at the end of its effect and deals damage according to every damage I did to the target durong sepsis like zed's ult in LoL or does it have fixe damage ?

[balmy condor]

fixed dam

to put it into league terms

it's a reverse teemo shroom

[distant cypress]

oh god did he really use LoL terminology to ask about a mechanic

[balmy condor]

what's wrong with that

[distant cypress]

just find it funny

[quiet juniper]

Yea its easier to understand like that lol

[balmy condor]

popular game with a mechanic that a lot of people understand used as a metaphor for a similar ability

seems a-o-k to me

[quiet juniper]

So its pure fixed solo target damage ?

[balmy condor]

yep

[quiet juniper]

That's a letdown ...

I believe arcan mage has an ability like that, would be cool if other class could

What do you think of the necrolord buff ? Seems like they're doing good stuff for the spec

[tribal marlin]

It's a good change

[quiet juniper]

Pretty weird they removed the "if it gets full life you get a stack back" it could have been fun agaisnt pal in pvp

[tribal marlin]

it would have been extremely broken

Actually they removed this part of the spell specificly because of PvP

[quiet juniper]

In pvp yes, is it any good in pve ?

Oh makes sense then

[tribal marlin]

Hard to say, it's not yet implemented.

It will probably be lower than Venthyr, but it's a consistant damage builder with 30y range for low energy cost

so

it's a good spell now.

feels good to press at least.

[quiet juniper]

Since you seem to like night fae : I've seen some fun combo with lots of damage booster as a night fae, are they doable and relevant in pve or are they pvp only ?

[tribal marlin]

no it work this way in PvE as well

you try to optimise damage with shiv and vendetta as much as possible (if you don't loose casts overall)

[quiet juniper]

What's the point of nerfing pvp necro to the ground then if venthyr works just fine ?

[tribal marlin]

"nerfing to the ground" is a bit over the top no ?

Necro will be extremely good in PvP

[quiet juniper]

Oh so playing around every damage boost is the way to go ?

[tribal marlin]

it's a 30y builder that cost 15energy and deal as much damage as a shadowstrike

[trail storm]

Do you think Doomblade is going to be the best legendary for assassination in 9.0.5 for ST?

[stoic needle]

If they fix the bug, yes

[tribal marlin]

In PvE you work to setup an optimal dps over a long period of time. Sometimes you want to line up everything, sometimes you dont

if lining up everything makes you loose dps, you probably won't unless it's requiered burst damage.

[quiet juniper]

I see

I've read on icyveins that assa had no burst damage but know I see it is just rly hard to align every one of your damage multipicator

[tribal marlin]

no burst damage ?

That's a lot of disrespect to Vendetta

^^

It's not Convoke, I'll give you that point, but Vendetta is good burst.

[stoic needle]

Put some respect on vendetta

30% bonus damage from vendetta, plus another 34% with well placed steel shiv on envenoms and poisons is no joke

[tribal marlin]

• power infusion

[stoic needle]

I miss my old guild pi simping me

I would get pi on cd basically

[tribal marlin]

haha

https://i.imgur.com/X7h4dKk.png

PI is cheating 😦

[quiet juniper]

Yea but sadly vendeta is a solo target boost for some reason where dk frost can use pillar of frost that give you flat 20% strenght

[stoic needle]

Yeah, vendetta is very underwhelming for aoe

I wish they would give it some kind of aoe interaction

[quiet juniper]

Yea would be wonderfull

[stoic needle]

vendetta making exsang aoe

[tribal marlin]

I believe that with Wild Spirit nerf it's possible Assa become a very good PI target

I mean, outside of Army of the dead windows

[stoic needle]

[tribal marlin]

Wait, I said I believe

I'm not sure

Mage are in the game too

[stoic needle]

That's why I'm praying haha

Delete mages

[tribal marlin]

problem solved

[stoic needle]

Hire me blizzard

I will fix game balance

[echo cargo]

is my favorite community figure to simp a degenerate teemo top player

[balmy condor]

I'm a sett main, teemo sucks, that is all

[echo cargo]

bless you

[tacit forum]

Is it only me who plays katarina? ‘-‘

[echo cargo]

have you tried hail of blades JG sett?

[tacit forum]

Keep the rogue legacy alive

[echo cargo]

[tribal marlin]

< Zoe OTP 1300k mastery

[quiet juniper]

I've seen some assa talk about that, what is exsang ?

[balmy condor]

a talent that makes bleeds tick 100% faster

[slow marsh]

I used to main teemo top then I decided I wanted to actually climb

[plain jewel]

for doomblade legendary i want it on shoulders right

[balmy condor]

hands/shoulders are pretty equal, depends on your current gear

slg has higher ilvl shoulders, so usually would suggest hands

[quiet juniper]

Is it that good ? Every guid favor alacrity over exsanguinate

[balmy condor]

it's the worst talent in that row by a considerable margin

[quiet juniper]

I see

[plain jewel]

makes sense. my guild probs wont take me to sludgefist cuz im bad at outlaw lol

SLG i mean

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[tribal marlin]

tbh SLG isn't really a dps race anymore

it's all about good execution, surgical burst dps and control

Sub is maybe even better for this boss nowaday

gives more damage on goliath

[quiet juniper]

I think I'll try night fae even thought I despise fairy since the speel seems so good

[tribal marlin]

it's very strong in pvp rn

[plain jewel]

i used to hate fairy too and went venthyr. but now im starting to like it. think of them as assassins fairies who kill u with poison lol

[faint harness]

@balmy condor asked for sin nerfs on official forums now

its going in the outlaw basket

time to propaganda

[quiet juniper]

I don't think I'll try pvp, sneaking around people's back is not for me

[tribal marlin]

Then I'll suggest you to stay Venthyr

[quiet juniper]

Rbg might be fun instead of 2v2 tho

Yea i'll level up with venthyr to try it out

[tribal marlin]

will be very strong on 9.0.5 so

just stay venthyr if you prefer it lore wise

[stoic needle]

Who asked? You?

[faint harness]

yea

they were too quick on the aura buffs for sin

if these changes were planned

[plain jewel]

nope. make sin #1 again

[quiet juniper]

Coulnt care less about the Alice in borderlands rip off tbh

[tribal marlin]

hahahaha

do as you wish then

[quiet juniper]

Necrolord are the way to go lore wise, just battle untik your dead and start over

[tribal marlin]

my bet is that Venthyr is going to be strong

[visual lake]

I was going to change away from Necro next patch but I'm really not sure

[quiet juniper]

Yea I will still be leveling until 9.05 anyway

[visual lake]

I was venth originally but hated the ability

[plain jewel]

ye. flag just feels bad to press. especially if you dont stack it all the way

[visual lake]

think i'll be about 13 renown with them so at least is i change the catch up will be quick

[visual lake]

it was the reactivation that got me

just didnt make any sense

and it was on GCD

[plain jewel]

ye thats what i meant

[visual lake]

also i think i used door of shadows once

to skip slimes in Dos

[plain jewel]

i thought door would be cool to use on denathrius and just never needed it lol

[visual lake]

I wish the cast time was slightly lower

but that would probably be op

[quiet juniper]

The necro shield will be so strong with the buff

They legit fixed all its issue

[visual lake]

yeah, plague devises might actually be a good choice in dungeons now since you absorb the buffs without having to channel

depends on dungeon i guess

[restive bluff]

with subterfuge talent do we open with Garrote>Ambush or Garrote>Mutilate ?

[visual lake]

i garrote mutilate personalty but i don't know if that's the play tbh

[restive bluff]

they both require 50 energy and award 2 cp but Ambush dmg is like twice the Muti

[visual lake]

well fuck me

going to try it right now

[tribal marlin]

Mutilate tooltip is bugged, it deal more damage in facts

[balmy condor]

also are we talking tooltips again

[tribal marlin]

It does not matter that you press mutilate or Ambush. After all, it's one global out of hundreds

fuck tooltip dude

make me crazy

but Mystler went into it and find the answer

xD

[balmy condor]

we garrote mutilate

[tribal marlin]

The tooltip for Mutilate halve off hand damage twice

[visual lake]

so mutilate deffo they play

only ambush when it's free

[balmy condor]

correct

[tribal marlin]

If you want to understand why Mutilate is better (or let's say equal) it's because of three things :

1. It has more CP generation because it can give 4cp.
2. It can proc poison twice.
3. It can proc Blindside.

All these things are likely to balance the fact that mutilate deal less damage than ambush.

[visual lake]

i remember reading ages ago ambush was useless outside of blindside and just went with it

[lament mica]

ambush becomes legit awful if u hvae doomblades too, right

[tribal marlin]

Yeah as well

[pulsar sluice]

what do u guys cast with sepsis stelath effect

[balmy condor]

absolutely nothing

[faint harness]

great design

[tribal marlin]

Actually you can use garrote in PvP or M+ to apply silence

[balmy condor]

I think used it to cheap shot once

in like

[tribal marlin]

that's pretty much all of it xD

[pulsar sluice]

should i unbind ambush

[balmy condor]

4 weeks of m+

[pulsar sluice]

when not using blindside

[balmy condor]

I mean, you can

[lament mica]

i like that ambush applies a full rupture talent in torg

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't suggest it personally cause that seems like a way to fuck your muscle memory

[lament mica]

altho its buggy

[balmy condor]

but you can

[tribal marlin]

Don't unbind ambush from your stealth bar because if you have a Blindside proc at the same time that your Sepsis fade, you won't be able to use ambush xD

[balmy condor]

yeh

that too

I forgot stealth bar is a thing never used that shit in my life

[lament mica]

my muscle memory is already fucked beyond belief. i im starting to play a lot more ass, but i main feral. I tiger's fury when i mean to MFD, i cast vendetta on the wrong target cuz i think im zerking, i try to bear form, its not good going back n forth

[tribal marlin]

They merged SD bar and Stealth bar "because it was simplier"

but at the end it create more issue than it solved

[balmy condor]

my solution is very simple

just don't use a stealth bar

[tribal marlin]

I can't i'm addict to default UI

[balmy condor]

[tribal marlin]

only using weak auras and boss mod

[pulsar sluice]

I use one to save keybinds

[balmy condor]

yeah default ui looks like a dumpster fire imo

but I respect the hustle

[pulsar sluice]

im really liking elvui + plater

[tribal marlin]

oh yeah i'm using a custom plater profile as well

since SL tho

but I had hard time customizing it so it looks mostly like default nameplate, but so that I can mod it easier

[pulsar sluice]

I jsut took whispyrs and made it a bit fancier

Like target scale n shit

[tribal marlin]

I was about to do a top5 inerva parse today

then I got the soak shit well ok that's fine

and that's STUPID guy

[balmy condor]

[tribal marlin]

took like 10 fucking seconds

[balmy condor]

what's that supposed to mean

[tribal marlin]

to figure out

[pulsar sluice]

😄

well

[tribal marlin]

I was so mad

[pulsar sluice]

it was a bit basic

:x

besides the pandemic highlight which i think its awesome

[tribal marlin]

I wanted to do some crazy stuff with my Outlaw UI

[normal mist]

Did anything changed to necro rogues? I'm way to sleepy too search for info

[tribal marlin]

like having all weak aura in a dynamic group with custom code including APL that would highlight the highest priority CD when multiple are up

[pulsar sluice]

its bis now didn't you hear?

[tribal marlin]

but then I thought it was looking like a rotation helper too much xD

but it looked cool on paper xD

[normal mist]

I saw that on the pvp channel, but ... Why? XD

[pulsar sluice]

kinda sounds like a rotation helper

but hey you do what you gotta do

[tribal marlin]

like rotation helper tell you when to sinister strike you know XD that's not what I wanted to make

it was just so it highlight only 1 of the weak aura when multiple are ready to use

[pulsar sluice]

Outlaw has like 8 or so different ways to go about depending what you roll

[balmy condor]

because PTR has a buff to necro instant damage and people are flipping out about how much damage bone spike is gonna do

[tribal marlin]

like it would highlight RTB even if about to fade even if BTE is up

[stoic needle]

spires 15

[tribal marlin]

or highlight BR only if it meet the condition etc... was basically only for cooldowns

[faint harness]

unethical sin rogue getting indirect buffs cus of covenant changes

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

whoever said that ct did more damage on fort was right

[balmy condor]

I said that

[wide ridge]

guys eternal stats or eternal skirmish for chest enchant?

[balmy condor]

and then we looked at logs and garrote was like close or better on some keys

so it was aight

[tribal marlin]

usually skirmishes but they are close

if you prefer the stam, it's a valid chocie

[balmy condor]

pretty much equal, I prefer stats just because it's passive

[slender trail]

oshosi, what was your overall?

[tribal marlin]

like maybe ~0.1% diff

[stoic needle]

5.3k

always show me 🔲

[wide ridge]

did you go

[tribal marlin]

oh man

https://i.imgur.com/uctUzHf.png

it begins ....

[wide ridge]

EP? @stoic needle

[stoic needle]

yup

ep forever in keys

[wide ridge]

vigor or mfd

[stoic needle]

mfd

[balmy condor]

not going ep in keys

[wide ridge]

which conduits did you use

for that key

[stoic needle]

i was pretty rusty ngl i hadnt used MFD in 2 weeks

LP

korayn FS

[wide ridge]

hm

gotcha

me no likes MFD

[balmy condor]

I'm kinda happy that I don't need to deal with korayn anymore

[balmy condor]

then don't play it, vigor is fine

[wide ridge]

whispyr did you go venthyr?

or are going to?

[balmy condor]

I am venthyr right now

[tribal marlin]

They are buffing Prot warrior again ...

[wide ridge]

fuck after all this time upgrading my night fae sanctum

feels bad to leave

😐

[tribal marlin]

they start Hotfixing PTR btw

[balmy condor]

however I'm softlocked and don't have a soulbind

[wide ridge]

XD

[tribal marlin]

probably one build remaining, if not 0

[wide ridge]

you guys think 9.0.5 drops next week?

[tribal marlin]

Lashing Scars might be released 😮

[wide ridge]

or the week after that

[balmy condor]

week after imo

[wide ridge]

same

[tribal marlin]

idk, they are hotfixing

[wide ridge]

cause we hit renown 40 next tuesday

and then BAM patch the next week

[tribal marlin]

why would they hotfix if they plan on doing another build

[balmy condor]

why wouldn't they hotfix and then monitor for bugs for a week

[stoic needle]

i havent upgraded anything

[balmy condor]

idk man

I'm not blizzard

[wide ridge]

[tribal marlin]

yeah idk, I don't see the patch coming next week

but might be who knows

[faint harness]

they usually only hotfix release builds no?

[slender trail]

thanks, nice work

[tribal marlin]

yeah if they hotfix it's because they won't build up again

[lament mica]

ppl don't like MFD? that is my fav ability i swear

[balmy condor]

y'all actually farming anima?

[stoic needle]

i just do the mission table

[balmy condor]

yeah, this weeks build was marked as release

[wide ridge]

don't @ me

[tribal marlin]

but it has happened multiple time that release candidate gets rebuild

[faint harness]

ye

[balmy condor]

I looked at the sanctum upgrades and what they did like a week into release

[tribal marlin]

8.2 iirc got 2 or 3 release candidate before going live

[balmy condor]

and it was all stupid shit I didn't care about

so I never did a calling again in my life

[faint harness]

also hotfixes going live at this hour

whats it like in NA

[wide ridge]

calling gold tho

fat gold

doing it on multiple toons

[balmy condor]

7am in irvine

pm

[faint harness]

yea

[stoic needle]

yea i need that calling gold because every profession is dead on my server and i cba to farm

[tribal marlin]

but I still expect a new build, SBS still bugged

[dusky vault]

Significantly less g/hr than pure gold farms though

[tribal marlin]

Doomblade still bugg

[balmy condor]

didn't you switch to a52

[tribal marlin]

etc...

is SBS rework even on PTR

like, this things seems wierd to put into hotfixes

[faint harness]

do they really need to make a new build to bugfix

[tribal marlin]

sometimes yes

well actually I think they can hotfix pretty much everything now

expect for client side stuff like tooltips

[stoic needle]

not yet

[balmy condor]

oh I see

[tribal marlin]

We'll see next week

if they keep Doomblade bugged once patch hit live I ragequit the game >.<

no jk I won't xD

[faint harness]

sin is on crack

doesnt need doomblade

to destroy dmg

[plain thistle]

hey @marble hemlock or anyone who knows, does cloak of shadows work on denath p3 massacre?

[faint harness]

negative

[tribal marlin]

yes it does. It does NOT on Ravage so be careful.

[faint harness]

it doesnt

[marble hemlock]

it doesnt

cloak only works on massacre in p2

not in p3

[plain thistle]

😦

[marble hemlock]

and it does work on ravage 😄

[plain thistle]

tried using for second bait

[marble hemlock]

well, not the initial hit

but the tick dmg

[faint harness]

shadowstep a DK

[tribal marlin]

It does work on Massacre in p3 as well

[plain thistle]

nice thx, will do that

[faint harness]

no it doesnt

[plain thistle]

just died with cloak up

[faint harness]

unless they fixed it recently

[plain thistle]

probably doesnt work

[marble hemlock]

it 100% doesnt work on massace p3

turtle doesnt work either

from what ive been told

[faint harness]

yea only "true" immunity works

[marble hemlock]

technically cloak has 1sec of true immunity

but its a whitelist thing

so divineshield/block work

rest doesnt

[tribal marlin]

Then I'm the luckiest guy ever

idk

I always used cloak on 2nd massacre and never got hit by any

[marble hemlock]

😄

im guessing you still move to dodge

[faint harness]

sounds like rng

[marble hemlock]

and just use it as precaution?

[tribal marlin]

yeah but I get bumped

[marble hemlock]

ye

i sometimes proc cheat

cause i cloak as well

and get knocked into the first ravage

cause theres usually no massacre there

but sometimes you get clipped as you get knocked

[balmy condor]

[faint harness]

i used soulshape on first kill, sat on the wrong knock side and blinked it

also pure rng

[tribal marlin]

idk I remember in progression using cloak becauyse I struggled steping

[ornate jetty]

should it be sinful/celestial or celestial/sinful

[tribal marlin]

but it's true that I probably never ran into a massacre since a very long time

[faint harness]

doesnt matter

[tribal marlin]

as I have my trustful target for step now

[ornate jetty]

ayt ayt ty

[faint harness]

if you have a DK its safe

[stoic needle]

elusiveness works on bursting right?

[faint harness]

its just a flat DR

so it should

[stoic needle]

my push group has a disc so i get PI in keys now

pi on every vanish

[faint harness]

legit no better target in your group?

[tribal marlin]

damn I reviewed all my logs

and it happened only once that I got hit by 2nd massacre

https://i.imgur.com/BleRQYC.png

beside litterally be leave to death

everytime i'm like "yeah ok DK use stuff, rogue do your stuff stay alive"

why tf would cloak not work on this

they litterally white listed it, why >.<

we have no fucking raid value and completly dependant on tuning, why would they ALSO white list every single ability off Cloak of Shadow

make no sense

[faint harness]

to avoid immunity stacking maybe

its only fine to immune if you're a mage and paladin

[balmy condor]

Isn’t p3 massacre phys damage

[manic harness]

I'm on a52 :( I want friends

[balmy condor]

[tribal marlin]

no everything is magic

[plain thistle]

yeah, I got lucky a couple times

[tribal marlin]

They litterally white listed Cloak of Shadow to not work in phase 3

[balmy condor]

Whack

[plain thistle]

but I just died and got confused xD

[tribal marlin]

so that if you are a Rogue, you are going to DIE from this combo unless you shadowstep a trusty friend.

[manic harness]

Wait are you on 52 whyispy?!

[faint harness]

its not

just doesnt work

[balmy condor]

Indeed

[tribal marlin]

yeah so my bad for saying shit

[manic harness]

Whispyr**

No shit lmao

What's your toon name?

No wonder I'm in love with you

You're local

[tribal marlin]

litterally I'm the luckiest guy ever because I really kinda "run forward with cloak not paying attention to massacre" and never got hit xD

[faint harness]

maybe thats the play

pretend ur unkillable

and you become unkillable

[balmy condor]

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Whíspyr

[manic harness]

lol crazy you're on my server :D

[drifting cloud]

almost as bad as cloak not working on knockback but spell reflect does

[faint harness]

[drifting cloud]

literally some intern fixing this shit on purpose

[faint harness]

spell reflect actually broken

[tribal marlin]

I understand the "immunity stacking" shit but they litterally white listed cloak on that mechanic, and it make no sense considering DK and Warrior can just DA / Reflect the bump

but as rogue, you can litterally cloak NOTHING.

[drifting cloud]

you can cloak blood price

[tribal marlin]

wow

nice

[faint harness]

blizzard hates rogue, its nothing new

[tribal marlin]

btw

[lament mica]

people say p1 sire is the hardest part of any fight ever

[tribal marlin]

it's magic as well

[drifting cloud]

its funnier you didnt know consider you you killed it what like 6 weeks ago

[tribal marlin]

Cloak should immune the bump

[faint harness]

they made some "raidbuild standard" after ToS

100% sure

put it in their protocols

to check for

"amount of mechanics that can be immuned by cloak"

singling it out

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

clearly they will fix it push! so cloak also doesnt work on p2 massacres

[manic harness]

@balmy condor check your in game mail :x

[balmy condor]

Yo don’t give them ideas

[faint harness]

or there is 1 guy on the raid design team that fucking hates rogues

[tribal marlin]

hahahaha yes but I quickly got my trusty friend I know I can shadowstep on him 99% of the time so basically I'm not affected by Sire's 2nd Massacre's unfairness anymore.

[manic harness]

clearly he's a warlock main

[agile geode]

Pushnoir is blacknoir your parent?

Btw

[tribal marlin]

Yes because 2nd massacre is an unfair combo.

If you are not Paladin Mage DK Monk Rogue or Warrior, you are going to die from this combo every single time. It is made so that it kills you.

[faint harness]

who? what?

[tribal marlin]

DH live as well

[balmy condor]

you sending me anthrax?

[manic harness]

Not exactly

[agile geode]

Blacknoir from "the boys"

[balmy condor]

Wait that’s not a good answer

[faint harness]

from the TV-show?

[agile geode]

Y

[faint harness]

no its just a random name

[agile geode]

K

[faint harness]

noir cus of noir films and the "roguey" feeling they have

[rain peak]

Rogue Assaassination Necro? I need help

[faint harness]

usually about some scoundrel

[agile geode]

Wait for sims

Or something more

We all dont know

[lament mica]

it seems like fat cp gen

[agile geode]

Rnow seems better and i think it will become playable

[tribal marlin]

I pissed off 😦

gonna make a post on PTR forum full of hate

ok no I wont do that

[ripe gulch]

so is assa the way in .5

[agile geode]

Guess better than sub

So yeh

But not that much

[ripe gulch]

hmm there's some theorycrafting going asround

quite interesting

we'll have to wait and see

im holding onto soul ash for that lego tho

[balmy condor]

Push already did that

[faint harness]

OI

wasnt that abd

I mostly mentioned assassination on things where it stands out

like interaction with covenants

compared to sub

[balmy condor]

Sub players on suicide watch

[tribal marlin]

I might have to play DK next tier anyway 😦

[faint harness]

why

do you desperately need amz

[tribal marlin]

we only have 1 DK

nobody wants to play DK, even our DK is not a main

he sacrificed all his conviction for the sake of our progression

[balmy condor]

I heard dk is fun

[tribal marlin]

yeah it is I like uh tbh

but if meta is frost

[slender trail]

it's meh imo (i switched for raid as well)

[tribal marlin]

nah ... it's gonna be a pain

[slender trail]

opener is fun, but outside of that it's slow and fairly static

[tribal marlin]

not like assa is much better tbh xD

[slender trail]

fair

[faint harness]

slander

[slender trail]

but i play outlaw 🙂

[faint harness]

i am sorry for your loss

of sanity

and braincells

[tribal marlin]

nah I will pray hard for 9.1 ptr

and we'll get something big

like Zoldyck buffed to 100% and baseline

[faint harness]

ah yes

very good suggestion

[tribal marlin]

Tbh with current tuning if we could have both Doomblade and Zoldyck we will be extremely potent executionner

[faint harness]

you dont say

[tribal marlin]

No but to be realistic, I hope they made so that Zoldyck buff Envenom as well

[faint harness]

i genuinely dont think sin needs more buffs to be viable next raid

[flat ocean]

Go on forums and whinge more if you want rogue to be top tier, works for warlocks that have been broken for like 15 tiers in a row

Slightly bad in EN = whinge there way to the top for the next 3 xpacs

[faint harness]

it will be brought on ST fights like it always has

and all is back to normal

[flat ocean]

Unlikely if DK's still exist in their current state

AMZ > our whole class

[tribal marlin]

Yeah

[faint harness]

[tribal marlin]

current meta has shifted into high raid value >>>>> dps

[faint harness]

only if you actually plan around using 2 dks

and make strats based on it

which i find unlikely in lower guilds

[tribal marlin]

But I agree on a point : buffing our damage to balance our lack of raid utility is not the go

[faint harness]

sin will be good on pure ST

[tribal marlin]

not only it might not work at higher level, but it's going to create more whine and imbalance

[faint harness]

either way

as it stands

something might happen in 9.1

but you dont need huge buffs

[tribal marlin]

ofc it will, with 9.0.5 state we're vastly overtuned

[faint harness]

if they fix all bugs

in 9.0.5

we're talking owlweaving

but SUPER SIMPLE

spec

7200 sim dps here we come

[tribal marlin]

however it's worth to note that this power comes with a downside

[faint harness]

and its actually typical for a spec that has recently seen huge aura buffs to be OP in the next tier, very surprising yes.

[tribal marlin]

we DO sim very high, but we are affected by downtime more than ever

[balmy condor]

I’m simming 5200 right now with my softlocked no soulbind nonsense. On ptr with doomblade I sim almost 6300

218 equipped btw

[faint harness]

ye its quite disgusting

[tribal marlin]

like Heavy movement sims NF better than Venthyr on PTR

[faint harness]

why would movement be worse now

what changed

dropping snd?

[tribal marlin]

Well it's complex

[balmy condor]

Venthyr = have to finish = move bad

[tribal marlin]

But basically it's related to capping energy faster

[faint harness]

well yea but thats every spec

[balmy condor]

Cttc = have to finish = move bad

More haste = have to cast = move bad

[tribal marlin]

and yeah all of that as well

[faint harness]

starting to sound like a song

[balmy condor]

I don’t think it matters personally

Sin is crazy with downtime

[tribal marlin]

no it doesn't, heavy movement is unusual fights

[faint harness]

could be a sub rogue, sim 500 less dps and be impacted more by movement

[tribal marlin]

like Heavy Movement in raidbot is like "move 25y every 20sec and 40y every 45sec"

don't be scare, we will still be king at downtime dps

[balmy condor]

I think that’s his point

[faint harness]

oh well

if i cant sub, momentum havoc it is

[rich wren]

[tribal marlin]

I heard that they buffed a legendary that make theim doing potent ST now

[faint harness]

not very up to date with havoc shit, but if you mean "potent st" as in, just 1000 dps behind sin

then yes

i did a t26 profile sim on PTR with havoc and got em to 6150 dps

with wft

[tribal marlin]

well 1000dps behind sin is still better than 1000dps behind guardian druid nah ?

[faint harness]

true

[tribal marlin]

But they bring Darkness, Chaos brand and Prot War is about to raise

so

[balmy condor]

That is a comparison

[faint harness]

we have a veng dh onetrick

so chaos brand is not a factor

[pulsar sluice]

are ppl using zoldyck with korayn this week or

[balmy condor]

As opposed to?

[pulsar sluice]

Just asking cuz i dont usually m+ on sin

[balmy condor]

ah

it's zold every week in here

[pulsar sluice]

i should prob use lethal poisons >wps right

[balmy condor]

you can, yeah

wps is pretty equal

[pulsar sluice]

just for more aoe

[balmy condor]

yeh

remember that we don't fok until 4 targets

so would just be single target either way between wps and lp

on cleave

[tight ravine]

would it be a bad time to change covenants?

[balmy condor]

no

I changed 3 days ago

[tight ravine]

i kinda wanna go night fey just to try it on a rogue

how's it going so far? did you do any specific catch-up stuff?

[balmy condor]

I did some m+ for renown, and then went to go unlock my soulbind and got softlocked on a campaign quest

[tight ravine]

well

shit that sucks

[balmy condor]

all good though

[pulsar sluice]

I know this is a sim question but what do generally ppl use stone, oils

for m+_

[balmy condor]

stones everywhere cause it's completely passive

[agile geode]

I use each

[balmy condor]

and I don't got to worry about rng nonsense potion garbage

[agile geode]

1 stone 1 oil

[tight ravine]

i really like the sim results

i was curious if there was any discussion as to how bursty the 9.0.5 covenant abilities make sin

[balmy condor]

not much more than it is now

[slow marsh]

Here's hoping that patch is next week and that I can actually sustain over 6k on slice cuz I can hardly push 5k overall in a 15

Keep getting told to go outlaw and its a feelsbad

[pulsar sluice]

you dont sim 6k?

im simming 6.3 with korayn rn

[slow marsh]

I sim over 6

[balmy condor]

pretty much all the changes are single target

just btw

[slow marsh]

But that's sim

[balmy condor]

would say you're playing wrong then

[slow marsh]

I also don't have full soulbind just yet

Probably. I haven't really cared about m+ at all until just a weekish ago

[balmy condor]

I think 5k is pretty achievable even for a non-crazy gear level

[slow marsh]

I mean I can spike well over that. It's the sustain overall at the end

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's what everyone talks about

:P

no one cares about the spikes

[slow marsh]

I mena even when i do spike it's nothing amazing

I can keep up with boomie in between convoke

[balmy condor]

I hit 20k spikes in DoS once

[slow marsh]

and mage in between combust

[balmy condor]

that was sick

[slow marsh]

lol how

garrote 4 then CT and rupture spam?

[balmy condor]

uh we pulled like 25-30 mobs in the ardenweald area

lusted the first pull, then urn'd the second

[slow marsh]

I need to watch a sin stream for dungeon then. Like I understand the concepts but idk what i'm doing wrong

I feel like I should do more for sure

[manic harness]

How can I sim myself for PTR dps?

[balmy condor]

ptr=1 at the top of an advanced sim

[balmy condor]

I stream every now and then, @iron orchid's probably more consistent

oh speaking of which @iron orchid your discord profile links to the wrong twitch

[manic harness]

Oh I don't understand this advanced sim thing at all

[balmy condor]

happens

[spice spire]

Fix it 😡
His twitch name is polyvalence_dei

If not allowed pls delete whisp

[slow marsh]

Just looking at logs from others I think I just don't fan enough

[balmy condor]

!delete @spice spire

[prisma monolith]

Amount specification required.

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Oh

Ur really on ur nonsense rn huh? I dig it

[balmy condor]

lmao

[spice spire]

Better memeing than raging

[balmy condor]

we meme as the pre-game to the rage tomorrow

[manic harness]

Oh I figured it out

[spice spire]

I already have my “is necrolord bis” ready for the second you wake up

[balmy condor]

just be like today

and wake me up with a ping

[spice spire]

Those are the real winner days..
Yikes dog

[slow marsh]

Hey by the way

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

Is necrolord gonna be bis next patch?

[balmy condor]

woke up to that ping at 9:18

[spice spire]

Just wake up at 5 every day ez.
But also I was here. I knew. I’m legit surprised you responded.

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

Can I SBS CT Rupture the boss and then press exsang and watch it die

[spice spire]

I’d have threw my phone at the wall

[balmy condor]

I'm used to it by now

[spice spire]

That’s uh.
Depressing.

Fuck.

[balmy condor]

I wake up on the regular with like 5+ dm's and 3-4 pings in here and like 1-2 in guild/ryfie's disc

[spice spire]

CTing before rupture

[balmy condor]

part of my morning ritual at this point to slowly work through my pings

kinda soothing actually

[slow marsh]

OH kidney shot too for internal

[shy dust]

Hey guys new here how much was cut to the chase worth

[spice spire]

Pinged to do sim work though. Unsure about soothing chief

[balmy condor]

negative 120

[shy dust]

Is it only a quality of life buff

[spice spire]

Fuck

[tacit forum]

So someone is saying that Assassination being best 9.0.5 best ST spec has nothing to do with CTTC and spamming extra 7 envenoms in a fight instead of SnD is not a dips increase

[balmy condor]

no the meme is when CTTC was announced everyone went bat shit and went "WHISPYR HEY WHISPYR HOW MUCH DPS IS IT WHISPYR PLS WHERE SIMS WHISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSPYR CMON MAN"

and it wasn't implemented

so I just napkin mathed like 40 dps

[gusty mirage]

phew I thought it was my fault for a second

[balmy condor]

because I forgot envenom uptime and a bunch of shit

and it turned out that it was actually like 150-200 dps

[shy dust]

[low girder]

hey guys is necrolord good now

[tacit forum]

Well it’s clear and ez to follow. That if you spent CB on evenoms and not SnD your dps will increase lol.

I want to die reading wow forum

[balmy condor]

that's why we don't go into the darkness

[low girder]

you could try mmo instead

[tacit forum]

I need my laugh dose of the day :/

[low girder]

the recent threads sustain me\

or make me question humanity's existence

either way

[balmy condor]

like people make fun of me for being a masochist or whatever being in here all day

I'd much rather be in here all day

than be a forum user

[manic harness]

people just don't understand your genius

ignore the normies, whispy baby

[balmy condor]

Is that what we're calling it now

GENIUS

I got issues man

[tacit forum]

[manic harness]

lol

[low girder]

you're speeding past me

[celest ruin]

whispyr is a chatbot dont be fooled guys

[balmy condor]

I'm speeding past foreverguy actually

[shy dust]

🧢

[low girder]

mind you like 90% of that is not in spec channels

[tacit forum]

We can’t totally deny this idea tho

[shy dust]

Bully Whispyr

[balmy condor]

unironically I've sent 16k messages in the same time guy has sent like 5k

[shy dust]

To keep him humble

It’s an honest pursuit

[balmy condor]

because I'm mentally challenged

[low girder]

i don't think guy can be on discord at work with his new job

lol

[balmy condor]

unfortunate

I have school work coming up and my job might open soon-ish at like 25% capacity

so might slow a little

[tacit forum]

Excuses

[shy dust]

And then as RH wills it

Whispyr will go dormant

Become orange

And a new assassination cf will rise

[low girder]

tisu has to drop the green first

[tacit forum]

@balmy condor you should open an onlyfan with all those dirty sims

Or a YouTube channel

“I went Venthyr post buffs look what happened “

[manic harness]

I'd sub

[tacit forum]

Me too actually

[balmy condor]

the cycle repeats

[tacit forum]

I can see ppl paying 5 bucks to unlock a sim from ptr on onlyfans

[balmy condor]

NECROLORD EXSANG CRAZY OP DAMAGE CHECK SIMS INSANE DPS? BLIZZARD WILL NERF ABUSE FAST https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k4sXKJ1ZfeLKKn6NeU8xGu

[tacit forum]

You forgot the “subscribe for more and hit the bell to be updated”

[balmy condor]

hey guys, whispyr here, back with another sim video. Today we're going to be looking at none other than necrolord assassination rogue. Let's get right into it

obnoxious intro

[pulsar sluice]

getting infexious vibes

[balmy condor]

So we're here in raidbots now, and the first thing we're gonna see is that necrolord is ABSOLUTELY INSANE

[tacit forum]

Lmao you are so natural

God given talent

[balmy condor]

I'm just built different

[slow marsh]

Infexious is that you?

[balmy condor]

yes, but in scottish

[tacit forum]

Imagine ppl actually going necrolord and missing the mythic raiding opening because of shitty covenant lvl

[slow marsh]

Well jokes on you I'm not allowed to prog mythic because I'm a rogue

[wide bolt]

was gonna say whispyr i was reading that in a scottish accent

[balmy condor]

[tacit forum]

No shit. Just like Denathrius we have no choice but surrender.

[sharp stump]

In m+, what’s the go for NF soulbind to run if I’ve got zoldyk? Korayn first strike or niya’s herbs? Also, what potency would slot in there, well placed steel or katar?

[balmy condor]

all pretty close tbh. Strike with LP is usually the preferred, but Katar is pretty much just as good, if you have the aoe pulls for it. WPS is also good, and herbs is functionally basically just free passive damage with a high uptime

[lament mica]

100k msgs

[sharp stump]

Ok perfect thanks Whispyr, essentially just have a play around and find whatever one feels the nicest - as much as they can feel nice being just soulbinds lol - cause they’re all close-ish enough?

[balmy condor]

200 soon :)

[balmy condor]

yeah, I personally just played herbs in like 90% of keys, and then I did a couple of fort weeks with korayn/katar for like halls/mists cause the aoe, that was nice too

I didn't see a difference, but first strike + LP seems to be maybe a little better

too many variables from key to key to actually tell for sure from just my personal experience

[slow marsh]

Btw I meant to ask, for the theotar slice sim in pins that's with sync correct?

[balmy condor]

yes

[slow marsh]

Would that also be applicable now ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[slow marsh]

Cool

I screwed my stuff real good in my key earlier

[tacit forum]

Yes

[sharp stump]

Yeah there’s always that up in the air variability from dungeon to dungeon, especially if pug-ing somewhat. Cheers though I’ll go test those options out 👍🏼

[ebon tundra]

What is a "theotar sync" ?

[balmy condor]

theotar is a soulbind for venthyr

sync is referring to an APL change recently that syncs flag/sepsis with vendetta if you won't lose a cast

[ebon tundra]

Oh cheers I was just over thinking it then 😂 That's simple enough

[cunning needle]

is this the infinite exsang bug?

[balmy condor]

lmao no

[cunning needle]

oh wait its alacrity

[balmy condor]

if you check, that sim isn't even using exsang

[cunning needle]

what bug is this lol

[balmy condor]

its not a bug

[low girder]

he just manipulated some numbers slightly

[slow marsh]

Only slightly though

[low girder]

yeah very slightly

[cunning needle]

minor rounding issue?

[fleet anchor]

Whispyr just out here running Legion sims, nbd

Night Fae sims like 1.2m DPS so 288k is actually pretty crap

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[stoic needle]

look at how close vers and mastery are for me

[balmy condor]

you mean

your worst stats?

[light plume]

you think thats bad look at my outlaw weights

[stoic needle]

one is boring, the other is the path to envenom enlightenment

catch me crafting crit/mastery doomblade gloves

[low girder]

[stoic needle]

no one is prepared for my power

[balmy condor]

he's too far gone mata. The church of hacha has taken another, lower the flags to half

[manic harness]

does Infexious playn on Caelestraez?

[balmy condor]

maybe?

[low girder]

chasing the big crits, off he goes into the sunset

[manic harness]

I just got into some Rogue's group for the world boss

name is Infexious

and I saw yall mentioning him earlier lol

[balmy condor]

well infexious is scottish

so that would be weird

considering EU and NA servers are more disconnected than my relationship with my mother

[manic harness]

ouch

do you need to talk about it? lol

[balmy condor]

nah, I have therapy for that

[stoic needle]

you'll all see when i'm popping off 20k envenoms

[polar cape]

goes into therapy only to get asked what covenant should he take for next tier

[balmy condor]

my nightmare

[lean fossil]

those are the important questions lol

@balmy condor carry me through sire!

[balmy condor]

my guild needs to carry itself

[lean fossil]

youre back is strong enough for one extra body :)

[balmy condor]

neigh

like the horse

[lean fossil]

perfect, i got your saddle ready lol

let me strap it on you and ride off into the sunset haha

[balmy condor]

oh ping number 3 but @iron orchid weapon vault yesterday?

[shadow helm]

doomblade gang

[limber lion]

His ingame name is actually "Infexous" not "Infexious". Not sure why he misspelt it in-game.

[balmy condor]

misspelt it IN GAME?

my guy

the word is "infectious"

[misty holly]

Necrolord has always been the best. It will be even better soon!

[low girder]

i was memeing, my b

[balmy condor]

mata not recognized as a regular

[low girder]

lol

it's understandable

[shadow helm]

NECRO GUD?

[balmy condor]

yeah and if you ask nicely I'll let you join them

[shadow helm]

im renown 28 on necro left them for furries

i'll wait for the release

hard to choose atm LOL!

being venth gets u into easy HOA KEYZ

[cyan echo]

maan idk what to choose necro or venth

sad days

[icy ember]

choose nightfae uwu

[cyan echo]

na fuck the furries

[shadow helm]

everyones NF

fuck NF

[cyan echo]

amen