assassination

[agile geode]

I hope to go necro

Would be perfect for rogue

[gusty mirage]

blizz pls no

[shadow helm]

korayn or niya for m+

[balmy condor]

I just woke up who am I sending nudes to

[gusty mirage]

me

[hollow escarp]

me

[frigid kestrel]

Korayn

[gusty mirage]

SBS buff on PTR

[frigid kestrel]

I’ll take 6

[balmy condor]

Damn

What? Again?

[agile geode]

A naked rogue with a sbs in hand

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321231/rogue-update-in-9-0-5-serrated-bone-spike-rework

[hollow escarp]

do I ask?

or check pins

[balmy condor]

Mother fuck

Aight let me read

[agile geode]

Lel

[hollow escarp]

lmao

[agile geode]

Go sensei

[gusty mirage]

the CP buff makes it worth pushing in aoe

[agile geode]

Even in st

A bit more

[gusty mirage]

afaik it was okay to use in ST, but a dps loss in aoe

[frigid kestrel]

Waits in impatience

[hollow escarp]

but 300% of 0 is still 0 right?

[tender fjord]

I already liked using it in aoe to generate full cp for ruptures

[balmy condor]

Oh it’s just 300% instant damage

[hollow escarp]

ohh

[balmy condor]

Well that’s probably fine

[hollow escarp]

no more faeries, now we either sucking blood or harvesting corpses

[agile geode]

Fine compared to others?

Or maybe a bit better?

[shadow helm]

every class is playing nf anyway

[balmy condor]

Idk the numbers off the top of my head

[sleek otter]

sucking blood sounds fine to me

[balmy condor]

But I don’t think that‘a broken

[sleek otter]

watch them leave exsanginate bug in XD

[gusty mirage]

maybe they'll keep it in

[sleek otter]

broken in pvp for sure

[gusty mirage]

GOOD about time we get to be broken again in pvp

[slender urchin]

Oh god...not Maldraxxus coming in from left field

[white lance]

Im no longer a faerie?!

[slender urchin]

Better not be BiS I will quit

[white lance]

Tnx god i wanna be an edgelord

[slender urchin]

Emo vamps or bust

[sleek otter]

me test dis on ptr now

[white lance]

Btw Wheres aethys

[balmy condor]

Wdym where’s aethys

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

[white lance]

New name?

[balmy condor]

What?

[white lance]

The guy from back in the day

[balmy condor]

???

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I’m so confused

[chilly vault]

I'm okay with either necro or venth being bis. No more of this angel smurf and forest simp domination!

[gusty mirage]

I'm okay with them trying to bring them more in line with each other

[balmy condor]

Kyrian hasn’t been good in a while tbh

[gusty mirage]

WOAH

[grand canyon]

Is it all but confirmed this is going to make Necros best?

[gusty mirage]

You leave my owl boy alone Whispyr 😦

[balmy condor]

No?

[gusty mirage]

Gramikos is my friend and I love him

[grand canyon]

300% increased initial... how much did it even do before

[gusty mirage]

like 400 damage lol

[subtle tundra]

the announcement was like half an hour ago

[chilly vault]

About tree fiddy.

[balmy condor]

Fucking WH ?

[gusty mirage]

my steward

😦

[balmy condor]

Imagine taking anyone other than apa

[gusty mirage]

he gives me potions and yells me yoohooo

[subtle tundra]

i have 0 attachements to those fuckers

[balmy condor]

You monster

[gusty mirage]

tru

[white lance]

If youre swedish you must take apa

[gusty mirage]

It's okay I'm probably going back edgelords anyway

[chilly vault]

They are feathered slaves tho.

[gusty mirage]

my priest wants to go night fae for keys

[icy crater]

go edgefae

[gusty mirage]

we need a venthyr

[icy crater]

u think u do

but u dont

[split veldt]

tell me how to feal whispyr

hurry up

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor got any 9.0.5 SbS 30 second doomblade sims?

[split veldt]

is bone spike good or what

[gusty mirage]

whispyr found out about it like 10 minutes ago guys

like we all did

[balmy condor]

I will eat your butt swear to god

[subtle tundra]

im pretty sure he has the TC ready from a week ago he has inside information

[gusty mirage]

WE AWOKE THE WHISPYR FROM SLUMBER

[balmy condor]

The secret is out, I can sim things before the sims actually have that change in the sims

[wary ice]

Actual facts tbh

[gusty mirage]

I knew it

You're hiding your secret powers

and you're EXPOSED

[icy crater]

whispyr is the new necro changes bis for next patch?

should i reroll now?

[spice spire]

Nostradamus is that you?

[split veldt]

i wiuldnt mind mald being bis, i still havnt tried that cov

[icy crater]

are the sims out?

[balmy condor]

My first impression is “meh that’s probably fine”

[gusty mirage]

You didn't use the secret password @icy crater

[balmy condor]

But honestly not a clue

[icy crater]

!bis 😉

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

O no

[balmy condor]

All our covenants are so close already

Maybe it’s enough

Idk

[gusty mirage]

I wish door of shadows wasn't such buttcheeks

[icy crater]

reduce cast time to 1 second pog

for melee only

[split veldt]

i wish blizzard would spend time on actual rogue problems and not their shitty covenant system

[spice spire]

instant cast actually

[gusty mirage]

no fuck that, warriors aren't allowed to have fun

the bandaids are coming out boys

[balmy condor]

Well at least it’s shitty rogue covenant problems

[gusty mirage]

here's a 300% buff to your worst covenant ability

see ya in 9.1

[split veldt]

im fine with staying fairy people, ive put too much time in them to wanna start over, so id rather see baseline rogue issues worked out

[native lynx]

flags gonna be good

left nf for it

[gusty mirage]

I like doing less damage than other melee and bringing zero raid utility

[balmy condor]

Aight me eat breakfast and then I’ll look for sbs things

[spice spire]

I just want poisons to be even across the board

No food, only sim

[gusty mirage]

WOAH

let the man eat

[split veldt]

robots dont eat

[gusty mirage]

no one was supposed to know that

that was a closely held ravenholdt secret

how did you figure it out @split veldt

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-youre-not-the-only-one-cursed-with-knowledge-gif-13701929

[tribal marlin]

The change should be ~150dps increase for necrolords rogue

something like this

probably more with mastery profile

going to be very potent in PvP considering it's a 30y range ability

[wraith badge]

Can anyone tell me why MA is better then Subterfuge atm?

[oblique flare]

time to play rogue the way they were intended, as weaker warriors

[wary ice]

MA vs Subt is very close on st

[split veldt]

MA better single target

any sort of cleave or adds, i pref subt

[tribal marlin]

It's specific to Night Fae

[somber nymph]

Does this mean rogue will finally be worth bringing to a raid, or does it just make the bench warmer?

[wraith badge]

but Sepsis doesn't give full stealth tho right?

[split veldt]

gotta bring that stack of talent books to raid

[gusty mirage]

but I already play outlaw....

[wary ice]

tbh if ur in a class discord asking if a class is worth brining the answer is nearly always "yes the content you're doing is not gated by the raid comp you're brining"

[tribal marlin]

it's not about that, just about sync Sepsis with Vanish to get more value on both Sepsis and Niya's Grove invigoration buff

[icy crater]

I swear we're both outlaw gamers wanting to live the sin dream just sitting this chat all day long.

[trim zinc]

with that its gonna compete with NF or venthyr??

[oblique flare]

now you can cast necro shield and have your own rend

ZUGZUG

[wraith badge]

So vanish then sepsis to give more dmg on sepsis?

[gusty mirage]

got the 226 ring off inerva, just need some soul ash to make the switch 🙂

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Do you have an 8 ball?

[icy crater]

holy fuck oxi i have to show you sometihng

[gusty mirage]

I both hate and love you

at the same time

[icy crater]

???????????????????

hello?

[balmy condor]

Ah yes

[strange python]

disgusting

[balmy condor]

The fabled 1 reward vault

[trim zinc]

;-; haha

[icy crater]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

is that what I've been doing wrong?

[spice spire]

I hate this game

[icy crater]

so what you do oxi

[gusty mirage]

unlocking 8/9 boxes a week??

[icy crater]

is don't run any m+

then on monday night you panic and run one and have the tank leave

then almost go to bed

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[icy crater]

then run one when you don't want to and you'll get rewarded

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/anastasia-thot-bot-delete-this-points-gun-smiling-gif-14345891

[gusty mirage]

I've found a direct correlation with poor performance and getting loot

[icy crater]

what are you saying..

[spice spire]

That’s toxic

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

so if I just int every key and boss fight I'm in, I'll get loot

[icy crater]

oh lmfao dude

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

dude I 10 parsed inerva AGAIN and got the ring

[icy crater]

I got the trinket off inerva on first kill

[ionic fox]

done 10 15's since week 1 & will never get that trinket

[icy crater]

i 14 parsed 😉

[gusty mirage]

you need to step your "dogshit parse" game

[spice spire]

Incorrect, I hard inted a key and got a 3 dps upgrade on pants

[gusty mirage]

step up*

still an upgrade!

[icy crater]

let's not bring up parses again lmfao

[tribal marlin]

If the question is "Can I finally go necrolords without being sub-optimal" then YES

[spice spire]

Did someone say the only thing that matters (parses)?

[gusty mirage]

the feral I was benched for was almost 1k dps under me

[icy crater]

no

[sleek otter]

so tested it and doesnt crit

and dmg is bugged

does less dmg than supposed to

[gusty mirage]

its possible they haven't implemented it yet

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Announcing a change does not equal having the change in the game instantly

[sleek otter]

yea guess I jumped ship 2 early

[trim zinc]

yay

true tho, imma wait toll patch comes out to switch covenant

[shy axle]

is evenom affected by zoldyk?

[balmy condor]

No

[tribal marlin]

No but it should

I have hope they fix it

[wary ice]

Envenom isnt a poison

[fading adder]

Nature damage right?

[balmy condor]

“Poison” is a fucked word

[wary ice]

Nature damage != a poison

[tribal marlin]

oh really ? So why does it get buffed by Mastery, and Dashing scriundel :/ ?

[wary ice]

No arguments

[balmy condor]

Envenom is affected by mastery, that’s a poison, and dashing, which is poison crits

[spice spire]

Not again....

[tender fjord]

I really like the rework also for when a tank chain pulls and doesn’t let you restealth. You can start building cps from a distance to get your ruptures up quicker

[tribal marlin]

Envenom is definitely a poison, it's just Blizzard wierdness when it comes "your poison blah blah" and at the end it's a short cut for "<insert list of ability> are buffed", list which may contain or not Envenom

[fading adder]

Tanks like to just tell me to vanish. It’s great

[wary ice]

I mean

MAstery hitting Envenom was a change in like 4. whatever

the real question isnt "why does mastery affect envenom

its why is it 5 expacs later and they havent updated the tool tip

[tender fjord]

Lol, yeah there are affixes where restealths are just way too wasteful for the rest of the team but some pug tanks just don’t give a damn 😂

[gusty mirage]

cuz our class dev is making new cards for hearthstone now

[wary ice]

I wasnt looking for an answer lol I'm just saying envenom isnt a poison

[balmy condor]

But it acts like one

[gusty mirage]

I know, I just wanted to point that out for everyone else

lol

[tribal marlin]

I see your point. What I'm pointing out is the inconsistency of it.
Envenom is considered as a poison for certains effects and not for others, and that's inconsistant

[wary ice]

My point is exactly that envenom isnt considered a poison for these effects its just poor tooltip management

[icy crater]

I didn't think env was affected by mastery until you just said so, based on the tooltip anyways fwiw

[wary ice]

which i guess goes back to the original point

[wary ice]

this

[frank sail]

What value is the MID haste cap for garrote again? 23.77 or something?

[balmy condor]

The fucking what?

There are no haste caps

[proper sage]

what is the MDI haste cap?

[frank sail]

mid...

[balmy condor]

Like middle?

[frank sail]

yes

[wary ice]

The middle of nothing is nothing still

[frank sail]

you have the soft at like 13%

[balmy condor]

What

[frank sail]

23% and 33%

[wary ice]

there are no caps

[balmy condor]

WHAT

[subtle tundra]

its 34% i think

[spice spire]

Oh no

[proper sage]

the stat dr starts 30%

[wary ice]

Unless you're refering to diminishing returns?

[balmy condor]

WHO

WHICH IDIOT YOUTUBER

[tribal marlin]

I mean we can arguably say that Envenom being a poison is relevant. It basically says "Drives your poisoned blade in deep, dealing instant Nature damage". It's really sound like you are actually using a Poison to deal damage.

[hard pivot]

What is happening

[spice spire]

Rage

And pain

[tribal marlin]

Being a "Poison" does not mean it's a dot

[gusty mirage]

and confusion

[wary ice]

we're arguing different things, but we're on the same side

[balmy condor]

We don’t have haste breakpoints

They don’t exist

[frank sail]

ok fine here il reword it for youy

[balmy condor]

Where are these numbers coming from

[frank sail]

AT WHAT FUCKING % DO YOU GAIN EXTRA TICKS ON GARROTE

[subtle tundra]

3.4% haste

[tribal marlin]

34%

[balmy condor]

YOU DONT

[icy crater]

6.9%

or was it 42.0%

[balmy condor]

Haste gives extra ticks

[hollow sleet]

Tell him about pandemic

[balmy condor]

That’s it

There’s no tick breakpoints

You don’t “lose” ticks

[frank sail]

it gives extra ticks....

so at what point do you gain extra ticks

[fading adder]

What.

[balmy condor]

Bruh

[subtle tundra]

i think they tick harder at 34% crit so for the spec to feel better you gotta get 34% mastery

[tender fjord]

At 5% strength you get crit ticks

[balmy condor]

You have 10% haste

[white lance]

Magic 8-ball says: sunday

[balmy condor]

It ticks 10% faster

You have 30% haste

It ticks 30% faster

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

You don’t have tick breakpoints

You don’t randomly gain an additional tick

You don’t lose ticks

[ionic fox]

He mus be thinking pandemic window? lol

[balmy condor]

That’s not a thing

[frank sail]

nah im done

literally about 2 months ago.. in this very chat

[subtle tundra]

hi done

im varas

[frank sail]

some one explained full the tick window on haste for garrote

[icy crater]

I'm sorry you were led astray

[frank sail]

and it runs around 13.77% then 23.77% then 33.34%

[balmy condor]

Then they’re a clown

[white lance]

Was it the rogue who shall not be named?

[stuck knoll]

If they did

[hard pivot]

[stuck knoll]

then look in the search function

[frank sail]

and after that point it becomes pointless gaining haste

[stuck knoll]

?

[balmy condor]

You can do the math on that for a SINGLE garrote

But why would you ever do that

Even then

That math is inherently flawed

The moment you get a haste buff

The tick rate is variable

[fading adder]

Who’s the rogue who should not be named. Now I’m curious

[wary ice]

he shouldnt be named

wtf?

[gusty mirage]

I'll take the blame

I'M SPARTICUS

[fading adder]

Oh my b

[balmy condor]

If it was in here, then it wasn’t Voldemort, dw bout it

[stuck knoll]

Ok friendo

I found the conversation

and in it

They state

pandemic makes it useless info

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Doing tick math is such a waste of time tbh

[gusty mirage]

We've had two shadowblade sightings in discord today, just missing zine and fuu

[icy crater]

fuu was here earlier

[gusty mirage]

Then just zine

[shut garnet]

garret 1?

[gusty mirage]

I miss zine yelling at me in here 😦

[icy crater]

he was here too

but not in assa in off-topic

xd

[gusty mirage]

oh I have off-topic muted

[stuck knoll]

Ye we can be seen ot a lot

[icy crater]

ot is lowkey amazing

[balmy condor]

I hope I can be a good replacement, uh... IDIOT!

[tribal marlin]

The only simili breakpoint you can ever think off about haste

is when it make you win a GCD in shiv window or shit like this

but it's like, so inconsistant

[gusty mirage]

thank you

[upbeat umbra]

I do what the sim tells me too cause I'm dumb and just want to push buttons harder for more DPS.

[magic sparrow]

YEET

[gusty mirage]

Same tbh

[tribal marlin]

but that can explain sometimes why equipping a haste ring gives +1.5% dps but then suddenly haste loose 0.2 value on scale factors. Use to be somehow relevant back in BoD

[shut garnet]

@balmy condor does the necro dot work with zoldyck

[balmy condor]

After ptr changes? Who knows

[shut garnet]

so guessing thats a no for right now?

[frozen karma]

So what I'm getting from this convo is I should be stacking INT cuz that'll make smarter and hit vital points of the boss for more dmg right? I'm guessing 500 int is the sweetspot

[gusty mirage]

also get +15str to gloves

because you want to be smarter AND stronger

[balmy condor]

If it was accidentally added to exsang, and it’s affected by mastery, then it could be added to zoldyck Just by pure luck

[frozen karma]

Fair enough

[balmy condor]

We actually just don’t have a clue

[shut garnet]

hm

[tribal marlin]

ofc we put +15str on globes

give +15 AP (that's not true btw)

[strange python]

So does this allow multiple SBS dots since its giving multiple CPs?

[gusty mirage]

HUGE brain

[frozen karma]

Right...you just don't want to inflate wlogs

I get it

I see through the lies of the Jedi

[worn path]

Remember tho 300% of 0 is still 0

[drowsy mauve]

yo, so i want to build an assa legy for 9.0.5, should i go dashing or doom (for raid and m+), or should i just keep upgrading my zoldyck?

[worthy heart]

quick question that is totally been asked before: zoldyck goes on what and with what stats?

[gusty mirage]

this meme is so tiring to read, I've read it about 50 times so far in this discord and its still not funny

[wary ice]

Use what you have for now, save ash for release. this necro buff at bare minimum shows they're not finished with changes yet so its kinda pointless to do anything permanent in preperation

[worn path]

We’ll be fine when we reach 34% crit but we’re pretty shit before then

[gusty mirage]

only if we get 34% haste to get extra ticks on garrote

@balmy condor don't kill me pls

[balmy condor]

the new meme

thanks I hate it

[worn path]

He can’t kill you till last tier when we scale

[balmy condor]

cursed spec

[gusty mirage]

That's been my favorite meme

[icy crater]

So does our scaling change once we hit 34% haste? or

[worn path]

What if they make it so zoldyck buffs envenom

To go with cttc

[gusty mirage]

yes, we turn into a boomkin and proc full moons

[icy crater]

oh shit

[wary ice]

remember when PB was full moon?

[gusty mirage]

That was many moons ago (pun fully intended)

[teal bloom]

Is haste the best secondary for M+ too or is crit more valuable?

[worn path]

Crit verse for m+

[balmy condor]

crit gains some value, but haste is still very very strong

[coarse vault]

Hi everyone; I am looking for some feedback re: assassination playstyle; specifically I am shopping around for a dps spec that has high downtime and low actions/minute. According to simcraft this is apparently true of ass rogue, but I wanted to see if anyone here can speak to this. Thanks in advance. (thinking of raids first, then M+)

[balmy condor]

I haven't seen much of a shift in m+ stat wise

[balmy condor]

that's the common complaint of sin, yeah

[subtle tundra]

i can assure you there is a lot of sleeping involved when playing assa

[balmy condor]

we're pretty fast once you get multiple targets to bleed

[icy crater]

Isn't feral druid like that too?

[balmy condor]

but in terms of single target we get shit on for being so slow

[worn path]

Not as much sleeping as fire mage tho, you only really play every minute or so

[fleet whale]

New flag sin with vigor will be relatively “fast”

[balmy condor]

owlweaving raises the apm considerably

[icy crater]

right, forgot that was a thing

[vestal wren]

scaling is not the reason assassination might be good in 9.0.5

[subtle tundra]

b-but wont we get 34% haste

[icy crater]

but with the 34% haste breakpoint that might change

[gusty mirage]

especially when we can shift into moonkin form and convoke

[wary ice]

Yall parrot this shit then act surprise when ppl ask about it smh

[worn path]

It’s 34% crit you gen z hooligans, that’s what we really need

[gusty mirage]

Woah woah woah them's fighting words, I ain't a zoomer

[icy crater]

is gen z just gen zoomer

[strange python]

Is it worth it to upgrade Zoldyck to 235 now, or should I wait for 9.0.5 and see if Doomblade will be better?+

[coarse vault]

But if I was looking specifically for something very slow to play that doesn't (generally) impact performance, Assassination is a decent bet?

[fleet whale]

I mean im never surprised that people ask about scaling

[balmy condor]

yes

[fleet whale]

Considering high end players even think it’s still a thing

[coarse vault]

ok thanks everyone!

[wary ice]

Feral and assa both fit the bill

[worn path]

Back in my day I used to snapshot my bleeds and pwn noobs. Recount yellow and orange gap was bigger than poison bomb in legion

[coarse vault]

A secondary question: which covenant is the "slowest" for Assasination atm.

[wary ice]

Its worth mentioning that "slow" is like ~50ish apm

[stoic needle]

Haste crit for m+

Why are people saying crit vers for m+ that's just like... Wrong

[spice spire]

8.3 syndrome

[gusty mirage]

bfa syndrome

[balmy condor]

yeh

[fleet whale]

A venthyr sin rogue in 9.0.5 is gonna have similar apm to WW monk

[balmy condor]

that's what it was all of bfa

[worn path]

Imo you get so much energy and your bleeds are meh dps output wise that I get more value with crit and verse. But most of my gear is crit verse so I’m not sure

[fleet whale]

And no one considers WW slow

[balmy condor]

bleeds/dots are well over 40% of your dps in keys

[wary ice]

The problem is we dont have EB anymore

so our benefit from verse > haste is MUCH less

[strange python]

Is it worth it to upgrade Zoldyck to 235 now, or should I wait for 9.0.5 and see if Doomblade will be better?+

[balmy condor]

doomblade is already better on single target

[strange python]

So you use Doomblade for raiding? Or is Zol still the go to?

[stoic needle]

? Garotte and crimson tempest are my #1 and #2 damage sources in every key

[worn path]

Yeah but it’s not haste that’s boosting that it’s just having 3-4 of them out almost the whole dungeon. 25% is auto attacks ffs

[balmy condor]

?

[stoic needle]

Uh, it's absolutely haste boosting your bleed damage

[balmy condor]

so we agree

that a large portion of your damage

is affected by haste

which means haste is a good stat

[bleak sun]

Garrote is my #1 by far in m+ too

[subtle tundra]

haste increases attack speed

[stoic needle]

Haste boosts your auto attack speed too

[worn path]

Anyone wanna run a sim with crit verse vs haste crit prio I can’t rn

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

I mean

I have

many times

[icy crater]

we need an evasion emote for ppl who dodge questions

[fleet whale]

What are your thoughts on new SBS?

[bleak sun]

[stoic needle]

This is my damage breakdown in a sd14

The top 4 damage sources are all boosted by haste lol

[balmy condor]

top 5 actually

[gusty mirage]

yeah noob top 5

[stoic needle]

Oh yeah rupture too

[balmy condor]

65% of your damage

[uneven plume]

Guys is assas necro the way to go in 9.0.5?

[balmy condor]

haste bad stat

[coarse vault]

which covenant has the least impact on assassination rotation (i.e. doesn't introduce a bunch more GCDs or increase APM, nor does it need extra attention to play around)?

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

don't know

[uneven plume]

Heard exsanguinate also boosts Sbs

[balmy condor]

that's a bug

[wary ice]

seems good

[subtle tundra]

not this again

[icy crater]

lol

[stoic needle]

Night fae probably

[uneven plume]

Lmaooooo

[icy crater]

im going to unironically cry from laughing

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

didn't you ask about exsang sbs like 2 days ago

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr can't let you guys know about his super secret blizzard secrets guy

gosh stop asking

[stoic needle]

Fucking infexious

[uneven plume]

Not sure don’t remember

[wary ice]

exsang working with sbs is likely a bug that will be fixed

[stoic needle]

He makes this stupid video and we have to tell people it's a big all day long on discord

[gusty mirage]

hey guys, when does assa finish scaling with haste?

[subtle tundra]

dont say his name its not nice

[stoic needle]

69%

[fallen canyon]

Hi people, what is the go-to legendary for arena as assa rogue please ?

[uneven plume]

I just know ptr is a testing lab. Just like they “capped” WW to 5 on other

[balmy condor]

when you have multiple targets apparently

[coarse vault]

thanks oshosi

[balmy condor]

MA

[reef axle]

The fact that world bosses can be taken out by one dps clearly defines it as a bug lol

[uneven plume]

It’s a test for blizz to see how the public reacts

[wary ice]

doomblade or MA

i think Ma is more populr but idk how much of that is just subs using it casue they have it while trying Assa

[fallen canyon]

yeah thats my doubt aswell

[stoic needle]

Sbs with exsang can literally crash the game

[coarse vault]

One final question (really same as other one): Which legendary is least intrusive but still generally solid?

[stoic needle]

So I doubt that's going to stay

[wary ice]

Zoldycks

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle you're going to have to give me a crash course in m+ for assa sometime

[wary ice]

Doomblade also

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck

[balmy condor]

usually as an overall, I would suggest MA/zoldyck

[gusty mirage]

because I keep trying to play it like I did in bfa and its a disaster

[uneven plume]

Does Sbs work with zoldyck?

[coarse vault]

thanks a bunch guys I'm sorry to clog up the discussion

[wary ice]

ur good man

[balmy condor]

we don't know

[balmy condor]

you're the one not clogging it up

[stoic needle]

We are all disciples of our Lord @iron orchid sama

[reef axle]

Though pending sims, does this throw necrolords into the meta pull for bis covenant?

[balmy condor]

sure

why not

[wary ice]

lol whispyr

[icy crater]

I'm not sure if these are memes anymore

[wary ice]

its not a thing

[icy crater]

Usually I can tell

MID VERS

LOOOOOOOOL

[balmy condor]

aight

I'm gonna start mopping up that meme

quit it

[subtle tundra]

I dont even know if stuff is even a troll anymore

can 34% stay

[regal cape]

Sorry haha. For reals though excited for .5 sin.

[balmy condor]

sure but there are people rerolling into sin this patch

[gusty mirage]

^

[balmy condor]

who don't know any better

so please don't troll just to troll

there are impressionable people here, and it's all of our responsibility to make stuff like 34% and sin scaling not a thing

[regal cape]

Played sub on sludge. Outlul for slg. Hoping .5 drops by the time we get to denath. I'll be going sin anyway for execute but buffs would be nice :)

[celest ruin]

when is expedient 3 back in the rotation?

[glossy gull]

Greetings, i have a "smol" question, i'm lvling a rogue atm, and i was curious what is the best covenant for this spec? Ty!

[subtle tundra]

nothing set in stone

[agile geode]

none with 9.0.5

the one u prefer

i think i'll go necro

[balmy condor]

welcome to ptr land

[agile geode]

the only one wich seems underwhelming right now for 9.0.5 is kyrian

[subtle tundra]

it can change over night what the best is 🙂

[agile geode]

just a bit

[balmy condor]

if there is one I would not suggest, it would be kyrian

[stoic needle]

Venthyr because we have tea parties and goth vampire gfs

[gusty mirage]

listen guys

if you keep making fun of my owl friends I'm going to start getting mad

[subtle tundra]

wait i can get a gf if i go vent???

[agile geode]

necrolord because draka reroll rogue

[icy crater]

I just swapped NF, come on over.

[wary ice]

Kleia unironic best gf

[balmy condor]

no, we're all alone

[gusty mirage]

yeah we play rogue

we chose the life of solitude

[subtle tundra]

stealth life

[glossy gull]

So basically.. go with whatever i want ?

[agile geode]

y

[balmy condor]

yep

[wary ice]

always has been tbh

[gusty mirage]

yeah pick the one you like the best

[glossy gull]

Ty!

[glossy gull]

Well hello there..

[agile geode]

lol

no

[glossy gull]

:c

[agile geode]

they just were all 2% less

is not that much

[glossy gull]

I shall retreat back into my cave, ty again

[gusty mirage]

I WILL NOT

[agile geode]

but still a 2% of dps loss if u play necro or venthyr right now

[stoic needle]

I like that blizzard seems dead set on keeping the rogue covenants all competitive with one another. I just wish they'd do the same thing with the other classes

[balmy condor]

I swapped to venthyr 3 days ago :)

[agile geode]

they should

[gusty mirage]

😮

Should I go back emo vamp boys?

[balmy condor]

from fae, mind you

[spice spire]

Prepatch flag D:

Y tho

[agile geode]

i've waited

[reef axle]

Least they’re focusing on rogues, kinda been neglected all tier soooooo

[agile geode]

venthyr seems cool

[sleek otter]

Hmmmmm I find it strange that serrated bone conduit proc can crit but the regular proc can not

[icy crater]

focusing?

[agile geode]

but necrolord more fun

[gusty mirage]

we've gotten more changes in 9.0.5 than we have since beta lol

[agile geode]

with this "fix" on st

[icy crater]

we went from being completely ignored for months to getting 3 spells changed

weeeeee

[agile geode]

did anyone remember how was necrolord covenant during the beta before the nerf?

[spice spire]

I member

[agile geode]

sin seems more tasty no

now

a lot

[stoic needle]

"""""""""focusing""""""""""

[gusty mirage]

[elfin valley]

We take what we can get

[balmy condor]

so

question is

Serrated Bone Spike initial damage increased by 300%.

do we think that's +300% as in it does 10 damage, and now does 10+30

or 300% as in it does 10 damage and now does 30

[iron orchid]

I think that's 10+30

often blizzard phrases like that

[stoic needle]

Counterpoint: Chelra AND nadjia

[gusty mirage]

Given how math works, it should be 10+30, but its blizzard math so it'll be 30

[spice spire]

I read a 300% increase as 400% total

[iron orchid]

but isn't the combo point thing a bigger upgrade ?

[balmy condor]

I would think so as well, but I'm honestly not sure

[agile geode]

how much was that damage?

0.5%?

1%?

[balmy condor]

probably not

[agile geode]

and with mastery scaling a bit more

[balmy condor]

it's 1 additional cp

[iron orchid]

just a practical thing so

[gusty mirage]

it makes it so much better in aoe

[iron orchid]

with a chance to crit rate, so may get one more too ?

[balmy condor]

who knows

[subtle tundra]

its blizz dont expect that much

[iron orchid]

I guess it makes the button pressing feel just a little more relevant than before

[agile geode]

how much dmg increase would be assa with 9.0.5>?

3-4%?

[gusty mirage]

that was the biggest problem people had with our covenant abilities at launch

they didn't feel significant to push at all

[iron orchid]

yup

[gusty mirage]

so these are definitely welcome changes

[weary marten]

pretty much all rogue covenants don't feel significant to push if we're honest

[gusty mirage]

pressing flag made me just feel sad when I was venthyr

[iron orchid]

the lack of flashy animation is part of it too

[gusty mirage]

like a waste of 2 gcds

[spice spire]

So an actual question. Say you’re fighting the council of blood. You would obviously dot them all for the CP, right?

[balmy condor]

with sbs yeh

[spice spire]

With bonespike*

Yeyeyeyeye. Ty whisp

[balmy condor]

you do that on live as well I'm pretty sure

[gusty mirage]

yeah take the free cp where you can get them

[weary marten]

no graphic beautiful animation, lackluster gameplay and they dropped some covenants spell like a month before release. Rogue is not much loved

[stoic needle]

Live flag is basically self harm though

[spice spire]

It doesn’t count in logs and there was no benefit from before right? I guess free CP for a low energy cost?

[gusty mirage]

fits the covenant theme very well

[spice spire]

It’s true

[gusty mirage]

self harm + makes you sad

"hello darkness my old friend"

[balmy condor]

aight napkin math says the 300% thing is like 130-140 dps

[slender trail]

whisp, are you asking about the % because you're mocking up the change in simc? or just for conversation

[balmy condor]

so we round up with the rest of the changes

[stoic needle]

That's uh alot

[balmy condor]

call it like 200 dps

[wary ice]

s t a t i s t i c s

[balmy condor]

and that's like

[spice spire]

Doesn’t do damage, check
Bleeds, sure
Adds haste, triple check

Flagellation was the most 9.0 sin rogue ability confirmed

[balmy condor]

roughly fae/venthyr levels

so

[gusty mirage]

that's actually dope

[balmy condor]

seems okay

[spice spire]

That’s neat

[slender trail]

single target?

or aoe

[balmy condor]

yeh

single target

[slender trail]

then yeah, that's pretty solid.

[elfin valley]

Napkins are the best math tool

[slender trail]

i was worried they were like "venth, you're pure st cov, that means we need a pure aoe one... guess that's necro".

[balmy condor]

depending on how wrong I am

necro/fae/venthyr would be within half a %

[icy crater]

brown paper and sharpie

[fleet whale]

so Kyrian is left behind i guess

but also not really

[balmy condor]

kyrian would be 2% behind

yeah

[subtle tundra]

HA thats what you get

[stoic needle]

Inb4 kyrian buff

[vestal wren]

i don't see a reason for a kyrian buff

[stoic needle]

Because they're 2% behind? Necro technically didn't need a buff either

[brazen perch]

will the necro bleed work with the bleed legendary?

[stoic needle]

No

[brazen perch]

sad

[balmy condor]

not sure

[agile geode]

it should

[wary ice]

but im kyrian so it should be buffed :^)

[agile geode]

is a bleed btw

[balmy condor]

if it got added to mastery

there's a pretty good chance it got added to zoldyck

and possibly doomblade

but who knows

[subtle tundra]

🤤

[wary ice]

wouldnt that be on live?

[balmy condor]

why would it be

the mastery change isn't live

[wary ice]

Oh i thought it was

ignore me nvm

[dense hamlet]

wait what did i miss

are we necro bis now

[wary ice]

necro got a fatty buff that puts it roughly on par with current leaders in st. more to follow

[balmy condor]

#wowheadnews message

[dense hamlet]

oh

this is good no?

[wary ice]

i mean its only net positive

[balmy condor]

if you like buffs

then yes

it's good

[slender trail]

so glancing at live logs, the initial sbs hit does between ~0.45% dps on single target fights. the dot ~2.25%. by comparison, sepsis (when played right combined) can do almost 7%. that's obviously not including the secondary effects of the spells either.

[dense hamlet]

but is it good enough to get past other ones

[wary ice]

live logs might not tell the whole story

the 300% initial hit is fat, yeah, but its also genning more cp

[balmy condor]

it's good enough to be within top 3 by like 1%

[dense hamlet]

does that consider it working with zold or no

[tribal marlin]

I'm not sure the change will be enough to compete with Venthyr but we'll see

[balmy condor]

it doesn't right now, so we consider it wouldn't

[dense hamlet]

well

[slender trail]

that's my second point, bullfango

[balmy condor]

it's also affected by mastery on ptr, and cttc changes some stuff around on the value of combo points slightly, etc

[fleet whale]

oddly enough, the reworks to Flag and SBS gives rogues actually a decent covenant line up

[humble socket]

Does SBS affect Doomblade?

[balmy condor]

compared to right now, where it's not decent?

[slender trail]

yeah, there are a lot of additional mechanics involved. still interesting to see the base numbers.

[balmy condor]

not atm

[fleet whale]

well i mean in terms of ability impact, Flag was janky as hell to use and underwhelming, and SBS was straight underwhelming

none of them are convoke or anything but it's still an improvement

[cosmic prism]

am i being silly but why doesnt shiv show in the cast list but does in damage done? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T3pxyNmrPZnFJz8d#fight=11&type=casts&source=30&view=timeline&translate=true

[icy crater]

bugged

[cosmic prism]

oh fair enough

[tribal marlin]

Flag could very well be compare to a convoke-style cov tbh, if you include the whole picture (haste buff etc...)

[spice spire]

I also don’t think convoke should necessarily be where the bar should be set

[balmy condor]

blizzard sucks at making a functional combat log

[icy crater]

I wonder how big the wow team actually is

[balmy condor]

think about how big the art team is

and now double that

that's the whole team

[languid totem]

Just looking at wowhead numbers, is the SBS initial damage going to be comparable to a 5pt envenom on low armor targets?

90% ap vs 80% and armor vs nature

Or am I missing a scaling factor that applies to one and not the other.

[balmy condor]

probably

[next solar]

blizz should just bring back the ptr vendors and boosts for use to test these things

[balmy condor]

DPET atm for the initial hit is like 20-25% lower

[subtle kiln]

cept the art team is larger and paid decently well.

[balmy condor]

that's the joke

imagine if systems had anywhere near the budget of art

[subtle kiln]

poor devs living in irvine can probably make more hourly at steak and shake

[fallen canyon]

what would be the best 2 stats for arena as assa rogue peeps ?

vers/ ?

[fleet anchor]

I mean if SBS becomes 120% AP initial hit that will be fairly strong but we'll see how it plays out

Once we get the numbers

I trust hotfix notes 0% at this point of PTR since half of them have been inaccurate 😄

[fallen canyon]

and as of right now ?

[spice spire]

I’d help if I knew but #pvp Would probably know best 😦
At one point it was a cheesy crit/mastery build but I think sin is actually viable and uses normalizing stats for pvp

[fleet anchor]

We never really understood why they added the "Cannot Crit" flag to the initial hit to begin with

[balmy condor]

so when can we expect working exsang sbs implementation

[fleet anchor]

It was added mid-beta

for like

No reason

[ionic fox]

Love that the "Rogue Update 9.05" title just takes you to a measly covenant ability.

[rich wren]

it should read "since we are planning on removing windwalkers from the game, rogues now bring the mystic touch debuff"

[cosmic prism]

how would I most accurately sim for sludgefist?

[balmy condor]

1 target patchwerk

[cosmic prism]

hmm that would mean zoldyck would be simming best but was asking since the top sludefist sin logs are using MA and for talents EP, NS and MFD

[balmy condor]

I guess if you really want to sim accurately for sludgefist, you could set up a fight type yourself and model the mechanics of the fight since it is scripted, and then change the APL to account for vulnerability phases, holding cooldowns and stuff

[next solar]

simming for slg is a nightmare right now, doing all sorts of sims lol

[balmy condor]

top sludgefist sin LOG singular

MA is fine for that fight

[next solar]

oh woops wrong channel lol

[cosmic prism]

there are 2 logs no?

[balmy condor]

is there a second now

last night someone came in here and started arguing that MFD EP NS was the go to build for single target

and there was 1 log

almost lost my shit

[fleet anchor]

100% of logs agree

👌

[uneven swallow]

According to quick simm the Vendetta buff has 2sec duration.. is this is visual bug or it's real in apl?

[fleet anchor]

Vendetta buff is not vendetta debuff

Vendetta buff is the energy regen

[next solar]

debuff is the dot, vendetta has 2 seperate actions

[uneven swallow]

oh, my mistake. i see))

[next solar]

^

[cosmic prism]

well according to the logs.....

[balmy condor]

for what it's worth

EP NS MFD on sludge very specifically

could be okay

I'm not saying it's awful don't do it

but there's only 37 public kills of it in total

and even on heroic logs, it doesn't seem to be a clear winning build

[dim tide]

quick question - weapons from Necrotic Wake crit with MA legendary or not?

[balmy condor]

yes, until 9.0.5

[dim tide]

ty

[mental laurel]

So the wowhead article shows sin parsing higher than sub but on almost all mythic parses in warcraft logs, sub is doing better. Am I reading the data wrong?

[dense acorn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#aggregate=amount

maybe

[fleet anchor]

It's hard to make sense of aggregate data when the sample sizes are skewed so much

Realistically the two specs probably perform fairly similarly at the moment

Assassination is being pulled up on aggregate by Huntsman a lot

[dense acorn]

unlucky, mythic parses dont have enough data and skewed by rerollers
heroic parses are skewed by padders and casuals

[fleet anchor]

Assassination has better cleave than Sub quite a bit, so Huntsman and Darkvein bias the results a fair bit. Otherwise they are very similar on the other fights.

[dense acorn]

usually means top end is not as far ahead as it looks, and bottom isnt as far behind
if we pretend that there is an even distribution of skilled/unskilled players

and if we try to ignore classes that are better or worse at pad

[icy crater]

you don't have to pretend theres a normal distribution

its proven that normal distributions occur given a large enough sample size

[dense acorn]

in mythic we know the sample size isnt large enough

that's my point

[icy crater]

I see, jumped in mid convo

[faint canopy]

Hey guys, do serrated bone spike direct dmg scale with mastery?

[balmy condor]

yes

that's a 9.0.5 change

[golden notch]

Hey everyone. Curious about the new buff to necrolord. Does serrated bone spike count as an additional bleed? If so, would that scale with doomblade?

[spice spire]

Unsure. Waiting until implementation iirc

[faint canopy]

Thanks whispyr <3

[tame lake]

So does the garrote off of sepsis give silence or just no cd

[sick oyster]

is 2x garrote with subterfuge not a thing anymore? neither my quick sim nor weak's guide recommend doing it, just wondering because i have seen some logs doing it but not sure if thats just out of habit from nyalotha days

[onyx wind]

i think it mostly comes down to you wanting SnD and rupture up as soon as possible

might not be worth with the addition of another upkeep

but yeah ive noticed the same

[stiff tapir]

Apparently infextious found a bug for it. He’s got a video on YouTube

With exsanguinate

[royal lantern]

the cursed name

[stiff tapir]

Oh no

Is that like Voldemort ?

[royal lantern]

G

a

r

r

e

t

1

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

fucking infexious

[royal lantern]

nah its just, he tends too be a bit weird with his opinions

[sick oyster]

it begins PepeLaugh

[balmy condor]

he FOUND THE BUG GUYS

[stiff tapir]

What have I done

[balmy condor]

PRAISE BE

[royal lantern]

and spreads some stuff thats not really true

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

34%crit etc...

[stiff tapir]

I said APPARENTLY

[sick oyster]

whats wrong about the crit cap being 34%? 🙂

[balmy condor]

dude's a fucking clown

fuck that guy

[stiff tapir]

Okay

Let’s fuck him

Didn’t like him anyways

[balmy condor]

just throws in random nonsense into every video

for 0 reason

[royal lantern]

34%is a meme because he just said "sin gets good with 34%!!!!"

without giving any reason

and just pulling numbers out of his ass

[sick oyster]

i know bro

[stiff tapir]

That’s too much crit bro

[magic fossil]

guys, night fae or kyrian for covenant, im coming back from a long break today! someone can help me?

[stiff tapir]

Venthyr

[balmy condor]

they're all within 3% of each other, kyrian seems to be the worst of the bunch

[stiff tapir]

Fuck I’m kyrian

[magic fossil]

@balmy condor thanks mate

[spice spire]

Time to reroll papi

[stiff tapir]

Would it be worth crafting zoldyck now for 9.0.5?

Or should I wait to see if more tuning comes

[balmy condor]

do you play sin in keys?

[stiff tapir]

No

Lol

[balmy condor]

probably wouldn't bother crafting zold then

[stiff tapir]

Ma is good in keys too yeah

[balmy condor]

yeh

[stiff tapir]

I wanna test it out cuz sin to win

[balmy condor]

you'd play zold for sire, and keys, and that's really about it

[stiff tapir]

Figured. Everything else id use what

For raid

[balmy condor]

doom/dashing, maybe ma on sludge

[stiff tapir]

Got it, zoldyck seems big pog on raging weeks

Might MA for everything else cuz garrote.

And for necrotic wake the weapons will pad my DPS anyways hehehe

[spice spire]

Until 9.0.5

[balmy condor]

yeah for the next 2 weeks

[buoyant mauve]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[icy crater]

Are there any end bosses that don't have the same last phase importance like sire does?

[split veldt]

when yall use crimson tempest, do you load up on ruptures too

or just spam CT

ive been getting off as many garrotes as possible, popping a full CT then ruptureing everything and spamming CT

[stiff tapir]

Gotta keep them ruptures up

[split veldt]

but dunno if it's right

okay cool

[stiff tapir]

With fan of knives on 3-5 targets you’ll have a lot of combo points to use

[split veldt]

this damage breakdown look about right? first time trying CT in M+ this xpac

[ionic fox]

What was your overall

[split veldt]

and is 5.7 overrall any good, or am i dogshit

[balmy condor]

usually last phase is the sucky one

[balmy condor]

this looks weird

[balmy condor]

this seems fine

[royal lantern]

last phase is almost always a big dps race

for mythic endbosses

[icy crater]

So it's a safe assumption that zold carries value into later tiers probably no?

[balmy condor]

fan is really high on that breakdown

[ionic fox]

idk as sub i'm finishing 15 mists at 7.1k

[royal lantern]

like, you get a hardenrage, kill him before it happens

[balmy condor]

for final bosses, yeah

[subtle kiln]

your mage is dogshit 😁

[royal lantern]

its a pug mage

nuff said

[split veldt]

haha yeah was a pug run

[royal lantern]

[split veldt]

i just wanted to try CT

[stiff tapir]

You use decanter ?

No phial?

[split veldt]

do phials exist?

i dont think they do

[subtle kiln]

yes

[stiff tapir]

Lmao

I hate my life

[ionic fox]

That is incredibly frustrating

[subtle kiln]

not for me

[ionic fox]

done every 10 14+ every week and i get bottled flayedwing every week lmfao

[subtle kiln]

very fulfilling.

[strange python]

i just got a 226 flayedwingtoo xD

[ionic fox]

its trash

gotten it 5 times

[split veldt]

i also do 10 a week and i finally saw my first weapon, and still no phial

[split veldt]

what did i do wrong

[subtle kiln]

the key is to act like you don’t want it and tease the vault once. open second time.

[balmy condor]

idk, too much fok

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor where my sims at boo?

[balmy condor]

yes. You mut till 4

[split veldt]

hmm less fok, more rupt or ct?

[balmy condor]

it's not on PTR, so we don't know implementation, so we don't have sims

[balmy condor]

well fok is a generator, and rupt/CT are finishers, so you can't really compare those

[subtle kiln]

lol knowing them it’s on the release server.

[balmy condor]

if anything it's less fok, more mut, or less fok, less overcap, or something like that

[split veldt]

or maybe mine looks weird since the packs lasted forever with that shit mage

hmmm true

[balmy condor]

were you playing like 8.3?

where you would spam fok even through overcap?

[split veldt]

prolly that yeah lmao

trying to get full CTs and rupts

treat fok like mut and use 4 cps?

[balmy condor]

yes

[buoyant mauve]

trying to push some m+ for once and am trying to sim for my best setup. dslice or 5target with however long duration?

[split veldt]

aite

[balmy condor]

dslice is fine

[buoyant mauve]

ty

[balmy condor]

you also don't fok until 4 targets

mut on 3

[split veldt]

oh fuck

i def foked on 3

[stiff tapir]

You foked up dude

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-pulling-hair-no-frustrating-jim-carrey-gif-3420322

[stiff tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-laugh-funny-hilarious-drunk-gif-9612213

[split veldt]

do you still CT on 3 targets?

[balmy condor]

CT on 1 target outside of shiv

CT on 2 to maitain

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-jim-carrey-الإبهام-لأعلى-gif-10094748

damn, so i should have CTed bosses then

[balmy condor]

yeh, it's fucking stupid

I hate it

[buoyant mauve]

damn I never would have known, ct only mentioned twice in RH guide and neither of them include this

[balmy condor]

it's like 0.4% dps or something

[edgy notch]

i only have 23 % haste, why my sim tells me to socket crit... i want to socket haste so that the spec doesn t feel so clunky

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/daKjaVi7hFnRxd3NDNbmRP

[balmy condor]

because stats work like that

you can't just full stack 1 stat

[stoic needle]

This is what my overall looked like when I first started doing keys, you aren't garotting enough, FOK too much, and not vanishing on cd to refresh subterfuge garottes

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/vale-thumbs-up-nice-well-done-approve-gif-9979346

i was indeed just getting off the opening subter garrotes

[stoic needle]

Hehehe

[buoyant mauve]

iirc isn't there a target limit where you stop garroting and just maintain rups and fok

[stoic needle]

Honestly like, even if you vanish and regarotte and they die 5 seconds later it's still worth it over holding vanish

You want to get as many vanishes as you can

[stoic needle]

Not that I'm aware of. You'd need a lot of crit to consistently get 5cp from a fok, and a garotte is about equivalent to a 4cp rupture

[buoyant mauve]

oh I found it on the icy veins guide: "If you fight 5 or more targets, do not use Garrote Icon Garrote at all. Multi-DoT only with Rupture Icon Rupture to gain extra energy through Venomous Wounds Icon Venomous Wounds."

[stoic needle]

The ~1% haste you get from socketing haste over crit is impossible to notice the difference of in practice

Yeah that doesn't sound right to me

[fallow notch]

Is this Venthyr change anything to be excited about?

[stoic needle]

Yes

Venthyr is going to be very good next patch. Check the pins for some sims

[hard pivot]

It’s exciting to me because I can finally go venthyr and feel like I’m not completely trolling

[stoic needle]

Exactly

[balmy condor]

yeah I'm probably gonna talk to seli about it at some point

[buoyant mauve]

I would think that spreading 3 subt garrotes would be best to open with instead of just insta fok

[stoic needle]

Yeah you're right

And garotte often fills the 1cp you're missing after using fok, just spamming fok would overcap you for sure

[fallow notch]

Yeah I just got Curve and meaning to swap to something just for the sake of it so now I dont even know what to change to

So wait a second. Venthyr was already this close to NF and it got a 300% buff!

[balmy condor]

what?

necro got a 300% buff

[nocturne ridge]

if you have any other questions you can dm me

[balmy condor]

to the instant damage

[buoyant mauve]

does whispyr have their own guide or a collection of all the things stated about rotation/priority that can't be found in wowhead/icyveins/RH guides?

[nocturne ridge]

😉