MA
#assassination
proper sage
balmy condor
^
proud ore
Wat
proud ore
I have MA my only leggo and apparently outlaw use it too now?
proud ore
Ima hold out on leggo tik patch I guess
Tiny toxic blade cs ma ? I guess I’ll at least wait to see if buffs make it better and not make mine now tgen
balmy condor
tiny toxic isn't getting buffed
proud ore
MA is getting a nerf to poisons no?
balmy condor
MA is getting whitelisted, so it won't work with trinkets or necrotic weapons
other than that, works just like it does now
balmy condor
I'm not sure what the question is
proud ore
The phrasing on the néed
balmy condor
rogues are the only class that can use poisons
proud ore
Says rogue abilities and auto attaxks
balmy condor
yes
proud ore
Yes do procs of poisons count as a rogue ability
balmy condor
yes
proud ore
Ok
proud ore
I figured as much like skulkers or something was doing too high
balmy condor
it's mostly a change because of necrotic wake
proud ore
Why?
proud ore
Should I run it while I can
proud ore
But I meant just run it period I don’t m+ much
proud ore
I need to get all to 5 for patch tho
balmy condor
what?
proud ore
I know apparently it’s good for everyone somehow except sub pve is finality still?
balmy condor
yeah, but you can play MA on sub as well if you'd like
proud ore
You need all +5 to unlock tier of valor
worldly bridge
there's a build for m+ with it
MA build for Sin or law ? I'd be interested to see deeper info on how to maximize it for all 3 spec depending on situations. Leggo specific rotation / spec / stat value are hard info to find
proud ore
It’s used in outlaw I know
balmy condor
MA build for Sin or law ? I'd be interested to see deeper info on how to maximiz...
MAKS for outlaw
proud ore
M+ build I believe
balmy condor
it's fine to use on sin as well in keys
MA is just a good legendary
it doesn't take a lot of thought either really
proud ore
Ye but I can’t get groups as it is might as well be happy fotm
It does in pvp as sub
It’s like everything
balmy condor
it's the go to for pvp
and it's like decent enough in pve for pretty much everything
proud ore
That’s why I have it but I’m branching out
I’m enjoying m+ just xferred to rich cuz my server was dead I pvp but am enjoying xpac just friend guileless makes it hard to meet moving goalpost thresholds for pugs
Tich
Most of my disinterest was that very few things were even sub uogrades for me from pvp gear
What’s funny is outlaw BIS is half subs n half the lens subs don’t take
So it is an easy transition with MA brut I really think sin is about to form
Fotm
I enjoy the disrupting play style and I think the 5x wound is not known by most players
echo cargo
I enjoy the disrupting play style and I think the 5x wound is not known by most ...
5x wound what lol
proud ore
I thought sin got 5 wound stacks
worldly bridge
Are you referring to the infinite energy situation where u have 5 targets with bleed and poisoned ?
primal zinc
btw at pve i use DS
personal opinion the difference is like 0.1%
or 20dps
i had a raw gain of 300 energy at hunstman which i like the idea of 6 mutilates extra leading to 15% noms 🙂
none wasted
north basin
Playing for 2 days sin, most annoying part is to reapply snd. But damage is real
With 9.0.5 we get rid off snd reapplyin?
balmy condor
yeah
primal zinc
for me most annoying is to NOT use shiv and w8 for the 30% life on dungs to use shiv for the raging xD
messes up my rota
north basin
Srsly i sim at 5700 in sin and about 6200 outlaw, in outlaw i was doing 5.6k max on sludge hc with guild for like 6-7 kills, after switching sin this week and going with pug sludge hc to test things did 6.4k, i said to myself whaaat?)) Gona play in mythic with it from now on lol.
And its like 220 daggers only, no luck on drops
primal zinc
i have pretty much the same as you
but im venthyr since day 1 cos i like the idea of haste synergy and i dont have phial xD....im using DS leggo and dps is at ~6k
220 ilvl
north basin
I know sims have delta range of dps, but man, wasnt abble to even get same result as sim outlaw on sludge, and here i just surpass it in 1 kill with + 700 dps
north basin
There is potential in spec ))
primal zinc
sent you in case you wanna check 🙂
north basin
Ye saw it, not bad
Soon gona rewrite some outlaw hc logs with sin ))
Myself
But u play with different leg, i went with MA
Coz no ash yet for forth 235 leg
primal zinc
btw ST and cleave ssins are top.....for aoe i wanna cry 😢
north basin
Aoe need to take different talent in last row, and iam not big fan of it, aoe i go outlaw
But ST looks more appealing to me compared to outlaw and sub.
primal zinc
btw i wanted to ask something about flag/venthyr rogues
about the opener
its mut/snd/mut/garr
proud ore
stacking 5 times
so am i wrong?
primal zinc
before venthyr rogues apply 5cp rapt
balmy condor
so am i wrong?
no? wound poison stacks 5 times, that's how the ability works
primal zinc
i use flag and then rapt for the 5 stacks and then i continuew the rota
is that good or bad?
primal zinc
sying this so i wont lose 5 stacks of flag
but i lose gcd on opener
:/ so dunno whats best
proud ore
@tulip forge only on sin, not sub, thats what i said, someone said iw as wreong idk
balmy condor
<@!692404246728933377> only on sin, not sub, thats what i said, someone said iw ...
rip that guy with the ping, but that's just how wound poison works
that's not a sin thing
primal zinc
lol
proud ore
@balmy condor
primal zinc
<@!167090536602140682>
WP@proud ore
proud ore
5x wound what lol
?
echo cargo
i didn't understand what you were saying but it was explained later
proud ore
that's not a sin thing
Ill leave this here for our contentious friend
balmy condor
bruh
wound poison stacks
wound poison stacking to 5
is poisons rank 2
that's sin only
why is this even a conversation
proud ore
Yes, which i stated, and was refuted, by the guy who always looks to argue things that I end up being riight on anyways
strange python
why are we talking about wound poison
proud ore
same guy everyday
strange python
balmy condor
???????????????
proud ore
i cant read ur insult towards me sorry
balmy condor
who's insulting you?
waxen maple
what do you guys use to track rupture / garrot?
balmy condor
what do you guys use to track rupture / garrot?
weakauras for current target, and nameplates for aoe
primal zinc
if you want i can share you mine hand made
waxen maple
sure that would be great, I see this one so far: https://wago.io/_mk1VwAEl
primal zinc
sec
balmy condor
sure that would be great, I see this one so far: https://wago.io/_mk1VwAEl
I would generally advise against multi-target tracking in bar form
it can get pretty hard to tell which mob you actually need to refresh on
primal zinc
how to paste on discord tho? 
waxen maple
I would generally advise against multi-target tracking in bar form
I find my nameplate dots so small 😛
balmy condor
I find my nameplate dots so small 😛
at the risk of sounding like an idiot... just make them bigger?
waxen maple
at the risk of sounding like an idiot... just make them bigger?
hahaha, I was just doing that 🙂
balmy condor
how to paste the link from wago?
wdym just paste the wago link
primal zinc
how to share my wa to discord?
balmy condor
did you upload it to wago
primal zinc
no
balmy condor
you can log in with bnet and stuff
primal zinc
this is what i got but made like A LOT of changes
plus i have sounds on
@waxen maple
balmy condor
probably a weakaura out there for that
I know exorsus has it built in as well on ready check if your guild uses that
pliant apex
ah yea they dont
proud ore
use name plates?
pliant apex
that an addon?
storm onyx
I have a wa set to blink at top of screen when poisons have 10 mins to wear off. Another that pops if I enter an instance and have no flasks etc... easy to create them
restive inlet
What do we think about assassination with Zoldyck for mythic denathjrius prog? Outlaw looks better from statistics, but I assume not a lot of people have made the switch yet?
balmy condor
assassination with zold for denathrius prog is probably the best rogue you could play
and many players played sin on denathrius for that
restive inlet
Looking at statistics, 15 assa rogues have killed M denathrius. It's still early days, but I tend to agree with you. thinking the execute will be valuable
balmy condor
people like seli swapped specifically for that
storm onyx
You want best dmg you can get at p3, assassination is just perfect for it
somber wyvern
coming from nowhere, i lvled up as nf, is venthyr doomblade the build to go for with the new leg update ? or nightwalker ? zoldyck really valuable still ? aaah i played a lot of char and this one the hardest to optimize
restive inlet
I agree. good shit boys, I'll look into it further
balmy condor
coming from nowhere, i lvled up as nf, is venthyr doomblade the build to go for ...
nf and venthyr will both be viable, zoldyck will remain a good overall. doomblade is currently bugged, so I would personally recommend dashing if you're looking for sustained single target
storm onyx
You want Zoldcyk no matter what for multi target fights
storm onyx
nf and venthyr will both be viable, zoldyck will remain a good overall. doomblad...
Whats the issue with doomblade?
balmy condor
basically it's missing the bleed modifier
which means the dot is able to be parried, is affected by armor
and a bunch of other nonsense
somber wyvern
nf and venthyr will both be viable, zoldyck will remain a good overall. doomblad...
thank you bro
storm onyx
which means the dot is able to be parried, is affected by armor
Oh, thanks
balmy condor
np guys
pliant apex
is council generally hard for rogues to do good dps on?
theres so much going on, esp as our guilds only casual
restive inlet
it's a single target fight, disguised as aoe/cleave. apart from the waiters
storm onyx
I don’t even rupture another there tbh. Dmg done to target matters instead of overall dps
storm onyx
Yes
As Shizum said it is a single target fight
I stay on the kill target and don’t bother putting and dots on other 2 at all.
Usually waiters arr killed by range
Check the dmg done per target on that figh
To se how you doing
Not the overall dmg/dps
pliant apex
question about cleave, when should i make the switch for cleave? i often notice i put bleeds on main target, then use cds and blow mulitple envenom on boss, then build up cp again before putting gattore and rupture on add, is that correct approach?
should i pop cds later? its confusing
think i delay cleave too much
storm onyx
Ah ok
On huntsman you cleave non stop tbf
Put the add on focus and make a wa to track bleeds on it
You refresh then as normal for pandemics
vale zodiac
What would you say is the best overall legendary? Still zoldyck's? I looked at the pins and there was some sort of sim showing Dashing Scroundel first but is that just for specific situations?
pliant apex
On huntsman you cleave non stop tbf
you really didnt understand the question i think
storm onyx
I open up with garrote on add and boss; snd, put ruptures on both and swap to main target to vendetta etc , normal burst cycle
storm onyx
you really didnt understand the question i think
Maybe :/
storm onyx
But there is no extra trick to it; you maintain dots on focus while bursting main target
pliant apex
how do i make wa about the bleeds on focus target? im only a casual
on pull, do i use cds on boss before cleaving? whats the cleave rotation
is what im basically asking
storm onyx
You make a debuff tracker with focus target selected on options
pliant apex
ok man, youre really not helpful, thanks anyway
storm onyx
No, you dot both of them, then tou go to burst cds on main target, so you have add dmg going on too
storm onyx
If you burst 1 target for 20 secs with no dots on 2nd; you lose all that opener dmg on 2 targets
storm onyx
Yea, you are doing less dmg than you could
pliant apex
so lets go through rotation , mut-slice-mut-gar-rupture- SWITCH TO CLEAVE- mut-slice-mut-gar-rup-SWITCH TO MAIN refresh bleeds and then cds?
also another question, is it ok to blow cds to refresh bleeds? or always make sure bleeds wont run out while cds?
sharp orchid
Refresh bleeds before you pop cds so you get as many envelops as possible into your CD window
If they won’t last the duration of the CD
storm onyx
so lets go through rotation , mut-slice-mut-gar-rupture- SWITCH TO CLEAVE- mut-s...
Do you play Subt or MA on 3nd row?
2nd*
pliant apex
MA
storm onyx
I haven’t played Ma for months, so I am not sure of the opener sequence
pliant apex
dam dude okay
storm onyx
But you want all dots on both
pliant apex
idk why you wasting my time then tbh
storm onyx
Then you vendetta MT and vanish etc
It doesn’t matter if i know the sequence
The core idea is you set up Both targets before you use your CDs
pliant apex
im sure you know what to do, and you mean well, but youre really not the best teacher man.. i think
just giving straight answers is what helps man, like a yes or no for example
storm onyx
Ok then, lets not drag this
pliant apex
The core idea is you set up Both targets before you use your CDs
thanks for this, it helped
storm onyx
thanks for this, it helped
Neat
sharp orchid
I suggest you read through this
It has opening sequences for the different talents
pliant apex
my question is of a general nature, assuming i run MA
whats cleave rotation on pull, and how to use cds, blow then on envenom exclusively or can be used for bleeds too
those arent explained specifically in guides
i often delay the cds by 5-10 secs to refresh dots, is that alright?
storm onyx
Yes
You are not trying to get a solid 8 seconds crit window
You are aiming for a full debuff-Buff window within your Vanish Ma duration
On all targets
sharp orchid
Mutilate
Potion
Slice and Dice
Mutilate
Garrote
Mutilate if less than 4 combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Shiv
Vanish
Ambush
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Here’s your opener for MA
sharp orchid
So open on your primary target up to the point you would normal vendetta switch to the second target put up your bleeds then continue to burst window in main target
pliant apex
wait whisp said mut slice mut gar then rupture on opener
You rup with less than 4 cp with opener right
If don’t get lucky with crit
Also potion after vanish ?
Either something completely changed
storm onyx
Yes to what
You refresh/put dots on add before you vendetta +vanish on main target
So all dots on both targets crit
sharp orchid
That also increase your energy generation
Get your bleeds up on both targets ASAP then burst your main target and maintain bleeds on both targets
You will also do more damage with subterfuge on multi target fights due to the buffed garrotte out of stealth
thorn dove
Do talent choices change much when using MA Lego?
limber lion
Wait what seems to be the issue here with the rotation
limber lion
You rup with less than 4 cp with opener right
Gotta be really unlucky to not have 4cp rupture after MA Muti + garrote. That means you didn't crit with either hand when mutilating.
limber lion
Also potion after vanish ?
You potion before using Vendetta as it lasts for 25s and Vendetta for 20s. As long as you have a potion running for the whole duration of Vendetta.
So before Vanishing.
limber lion
You are aiming for a full debuff-Buff window within your Vanish Ma duration
This is technically not true. You should have snd/garrote/rupture(/ct) running at all times during the encounter, not just for the MA window. The MA window is used Mutilating/Envenoming your main target, or a target that is in execute range.
limber lion
anyone know how simc does execute mechanics?
Pretty sure it's the last 30% of the encounter duration. So on a 5min patchwork it's the last 1.5mins, on 10min it's the last 3mins.
Or you can use an execute patchwork which starts at execute range.
If you still need any help or have questions, feel free to dm me on Disc.
ebon patio
Hey guys. Quick question, does the stat priority pinned message still applies? Haste >= Others ?
limber lion
so lets go through rotation , mut-slice-mut-gar-rupture- SWITCH TO CLEAVE- mut-s...
More like Mut-Snd-Mut-Gar-Rup-Vendetta-Sepsis-Shiv-Mut-Rupture(add)-Gar(add)-Mut-Vanish-Envenom-Mut-Envenom
lime plank
Pretty sure it's the last 30% of the encounter duration. So on a 5min patchwork ...
Does that make execute slightly overvalued in sims?
limber lion
Hey guys. Quick question, does the stat priority pinned message still applies? H...
Haste is generally the best but it changes depending on your gear. Ilvl is king. Sim yourself for best results.
storm onyx
This is technically not true. You should have snd/garrote/rupture(/ct) running a...
He was asking specifically if he should dot the add before he bursts the main target. Thus the answer seeems lacking
limber lion
Does that make execute slightly overvalued in sims?
What do you mean? Zoldyck's starts working at 30%, similar to the sim.
The items/abilities work as they should depending on the time (health) of the encounter. So if Zoldyck starts working at 30%, it'll start working on 1.5mins at 5min patchwork like it normally would.
Blindside's extra effect comes to play at 35%
lime plank
What do you mean? Zoldyck's starts working at 30%, similar to the sim.
Since you will be doing more damage in execute phase you will naturally shorten that part of the fight, so it seems weird that it is time based
limber lion
Since you will be doing more damage in execute phase you will naturally shorten ...
Ah I see what you mean.
limber lion
I doubt the apl is intelligent enough to off-set the extra dps gained from an execute to accurately represent the execute-time on a boss.
But I could be wrong, so don't quote me on that.
But it's not a really massive gain anyways.
lime plank
I'm no programmer so i don't know if this possible, but it would seem more logical to me to have a sim based on a set amount of health rather than a set amount of time
to account for time variance around boss hp% values
limber lion
The problem is that we're simming everything based on duration and every single spec does different dps. If we have a 1m hp ST fight, it would take a class like assa rogue more time to kill compared to a Marksmanship Hunter, simply because their damage is far higher outside of execute range - which in turn would make their execute shorter and the assa's longer.
Which in turn would inflate Assa's execute even more.
That's why it's stable for all classes and based on the duration of the fight.
It's just much simpler to compare damage between specs when everything is set in stone. On a 5m ST-PW, all classes with 30% executes have 1.5mins of execute time and 3.5mins outside of execute.
lime plank
okay that makes sense
north basin
Btw someone can post screenshot of sin damage on p3 denatrius only boss damage, with all other classes too?
Cant reach wlogs
prisma monolithBOT
strange python
!guide
inner granite
What are the best leggos I can currently make for a swap to sin from now into 9.1? I currently have 210 Zolds on Pants, and 235 MA on wrists
the MA is haste/verse and was tailored towards outlaw
Doomblade is simming best for me currently @210 via raidbots, but how is it actually performing currently?
sleek otter
Isn't it better than MA atm?
tribal marlin
Does that make execute slightly overvalued in sims?
No there is actually 2 ways of simming Execute.
- Is enemy_initial_health_percentage = X and is the default way the Execute Patchwerk fight style use in non-advanced tab of Raidbot.
- Is enemy_fixed_health_percentage = X which is the old way of dealing with execute but is no longer used, unless some wierd situation.
Basically the way the sim is handles nowaday spawn a "enemy_fluffy_pillow" with a fixed amount of HP and every damage occurence remove health etc... This is obviously made so that the simulation enginge is accurate regarding special powerfull buff that occurs such as bloodlust or execute.
https://i.imgur.com/OjAwFZG.png
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T26_Raid.html
This is fluffy_pillow health in the official T26 sims, note that it takes damage from every single simulations. On this report there are a bunch of DPS spec hitting a single Fluffy_Pillow.
You can clearly see on this graph that the Health of our Dummy friends is droping faster at the begining (due to obivously BL active with all cooldown) and start "slow down" a bit and then decrease faster again around ~120sec and ~180sec and is slow down again at the end (due to everyone being On CD on major ability between 300 and 360s.
So TL:DR : Yes execute is simmed accurately and overall Simulation are accurately dynamics regarding buffs and DPS variation.
limber lion
No there is actually 2 ways of simming Execute.
1) Is enemy_initial_health_perce...
Okay sick, I was 85% sure it was fixed. Good stuff Miki
But that's really interesting. How exactly does the program know how much health Fluffy_Pillow would have at the start then if you sim for 5min patchwork as an assa rogue compared to a sub?
So that the health starts at 100% and ends at 0% after 5minutes.
tribal marlin
I don't know, it's probably doing iterative simulation.
Like it does a first simple simulation with just basic calculation, amount of cast etc to compute the total amount of damage, then do a simulation with time dps variation taken in consideration (this remove some inncuratie from the precent computation so that the fight "ends" before the dummy hit 0, but it provide a better estimation of dps)
Then you do the process again, iterate this just couple of time and you already have something pretty accurate.
So yeah at the end there is marge of innacuratie, but as I said you only need to iterate this process a couple of time to have the error margin very low (<0.05%)
Maybe it's more complexe than that, idk but it seems to me that it's a pretty good way to deal with it so I'm confident that the engine is using some similar concept.
lime plank
Damn that's actually pretty sick
crystal barn
does vanish break chains on sludge?
daring pecan
no
crystal barn
ok thanks man
iron orchid
1.7k rio 
subtle tundra
YUGE
untold nest
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
spice spire
What a gamer!
strange python
i do about 1.7k average, but raidbot says i can do up to 3k, but thats with pots and buffs. but i did just switch to assassination, i used to main outlaw, did about 2k average
subtle tundra
if these are the numbers you're working with start by getting more gear ^^
pulsar sluice
what trinket ppl are going for with valor pts phial + ?
solar hare
Besides phial, dungeon trinkets suck
Iqd is probably the next best
Then maybe infinitely divisible ooze
But theres like 2-4 raid trinkets inbetween phial and the next
pulsar sluice
whats the general consensus for raid trinkets
strange python
my gear currently is 182
frozen karma
they own
strange python
Do yall save vendetta for pillar on sludge?
stoic needle
whats the general consensus for raid trinkets
Dreadfire is best, memory and stone legion are also good
solar hare
Mythic skulkers is better than any heroic trinket typically, its annoying to use but
Pretty accessible
viral sand
has anyone done any testing on how venthyr is looking?
twilit python
@strange python assuming you lust on 4th pillar, you vendetta on pull 2nd pillar and 4th with lust
strange python
<@456226577798135808> assuming you lust on 4th pillar, you vendetta on pull 2nd ...
We lust 3rd
twilit python
then you would save vendetta for first pillar and have it up again for 3rd pillar + lust
solar hare
Then you vend on first and 3rd pillars
strange python
okay nice
That'll work, I'm playing around with sin, I normally roll OL, was thinking about making a leggo, I have a R4 MA, but can craft another R4 for sin as well
Just indecisive but we are running a HC farm tonight and wanted to play around a bit
kind of torn between scound and zol
tribal marlin
I would suggest to wait for 9.0.5 to craft Doombldae
but doomblade rn is still bugged I believe even on live so
strange python
Nah I feel ya, I'm not hard swapping to sin, I think just to mess around in HC I'll probably just do Zol
Even though it sims 300dps lower than MA for me on ST lol
feral merlin
Did they say when 9.0.5 is out?
stoic needle
I feel like that's a sludgefist specific thing
strange python
EP NS MFD with MA on shriek apparently
hollow jolt
signal grove
i'd say so
thorn dove
subterfuge or nightstalker with MA lego on single target?
thorn dove
ty
gentle sable
what is best race for horde assassin ?
gloomy stone
tender fjord
Exsang still interacts with sbs on ptr?
stoic needle
quite good on the 2:30 marker
What bosses are they killing in 2:30?
subtle tundra
shrieking hc mostly
inner granite
Was there something changed in the API recently to make Zolds sim so much worse?
balmy condor
Was there something changed in the API recently to make Zolds sim so much worse?
Envenom was pandemicing
strange python
How does the rotation change with MA?
balmy condor
You vanish into big envenoms
graceful solstice
Is Doomblade actually far enough ahead in 9.0.5 that ditching the execute is likely to be worth it? I've heard it's oversimming because on PTR it's affected by armor? I know I should just save my soul ash for now but trying to decide what to do
shy axle
it does less dmg due to the bug, sims like it should
red turtle
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
reef axle
Prob still wait till sin changes before switching personally.
subtle kiln
Is Doomblade actually far enough ahead in 9.0.5 that ditching the execute is lik...
it’s not exactly bad now, especially if you pvp. fight length and adds will determine lego usage (execute).
sleek otter
Isnt doomblade supposed to do tooltip dmg to dummies?
candid quarry
!bis
sleek otter
doesnt work anymore
candid quarry
i noticed
vestal wren
whysper asked me to remove it
vestal wren
there is no !addon
inner granite
Envenom was pandemicing
So is the play to keep with zolds now, or craft something else?
tribal marlin
Is Doomblade actually far enough ahead in 9.0.5 that ditching the execute is lik...
Zoldyck will remain ahead by a large margin in execute range but overall Doomblade, as it is now and whithout bug is more dps overall. Ideally you want to have both so you can play Execute when execute is needed.
Or start a progression with Doomblade and switch later to see if you still meet DPS requierement of early phase
tardy compass
If you have like 7k ashes go on and craft something, otherwise Just wait a little
prisma crescent
Why is there no talk on Dashing Scoundrel? Sims well on both ST and Cleave
stoic needle
It's pretty meh in aoe because you don't cast envenom as much. If doomblade gets fixed it'll be worse than doomblade for single target
And it doesn't give execute like zoldyck
If they don't fix doomblade then it'll be good but if they do it's just okay
balmy condor
It’s honestly about equal with doomblade last I checked
prisma crescent
Yeah on my gear its 5dps difference ST
prisma crescent
Haha that's true, just weighing out my options. Would like to swap to Assa this tier if possible so just playing around in sims atm
balmy condor
I need to resim for pins and stuff
prisma crescent
Yeah I'm looking at gear now before 9.0.5
balmy condor
That’s pretty good
prisma crescent
How much different are the PTR sims compared to live? Everyone talking about bugs and poor simming right now
pliant apex
what should be the opener on a cleave rotation, ive noticed i spend 20 secs opening, then blowing cd, using them before putting dots on add
should i use cds after dotting up both adds completely?
dusky vault
Applying dots is always the no1 priority except in MA opener window
pliant apex
i use MA
so on huntsman for example, should i dot both targets up, before using cds?
stoic needle
that's how i do it personally, gives you more energy to use on envenoms during vendetta
gloomy fern
@tribal marlin why are u hitting 3 platform guys during ur kill 
also is it onl worth rupturing the cabalist next to sire p2? looks like u ignore the other
stoic needle
haven't done it on mythic, but in my experience the one next to sire dies so quick that i'm gonna try only dotting up the far one from him
vanish subt garotte on the 2 cabalists + sire + remornia is big tho
balmy condor
How much different are the PTR sims compared to live? Everyone talking about bug...
Cttc is a pretty sizable increase, doomblade got an increase as well. The bugs and stuff should all be on live builds I think
strange python
how big is cctc % wise?
drifting cloud
40 dps 
strange python
lol
balmy condor
40 dps <:Kappa:675691839881216001>
I hate you ;-;
gloomy ridge
Aye, big shoutout to mordigen for fixing my rotation 😄
primal zinc
oh thanks buddy
gloomy ridge
i'm ticking at 4.5dps now.. was at ~3.2 before some good guidaince
gloomy ridge
yeah, my stealth to double ambush to mutilate to envenom was just not hitting right
gloomy fern
sin rotation is very complex
sleek otter
Most complex spec in the game Kappa
Is it bad Im trying to figure out what cttc is
o.O
gloomy fern
cut to the chase
drifting cloud
that was a tier set in nighthold
balmy condor
does amount of dots empower envenom?
Doomblade does that
sleek otter
Its my fav legendary for sure
gloomy fern
imagine not getting over 22k 
iron orchid
I already get 10k envenoms sometimes without doomblade
sometimes i get 56k envenom on ingra maloch with pride 
somber patrol
Doomblade does that
I see, thank you
dense hamlet
i just like the sire voice lines when pride spawns
its sick
atleast we have domination affix and god knows what the hell is even that
inner granite
What’s the best all around legends to make for sin right now? Doomblade or dashing?
inner granite
I’ve got a haste/verse MA from outlaw currently. I wanna take the dive into Sin though. Just afraid it won’t be that good for M+
olive burrow
Haste Vers is our main stat as Sin
balmy condor
MA is fine for m+
inner granite
For some reason my ST sims Doomblade was well ahead. Has raidbots already implemented the doomblade changes from PTR?
quiet juniper
Hey guys I just finished shadowlands introduction and I dont understand how venthyr and necrolord abilities works, can someone help me ?
for example can I use serrated bone spike with emeni to get a long 10% agi buff ?
balmy condor
For some reason my ST sims Doomblade was well ahead. Has raidbots already implem...
no
balmy condor
for example can I use serrated bone spike with emeni to get a long 10% agi buff ...
you can, but the duration is 5 seconds iirc
so the buff doesn't last that long
they changed that because the cooldown is hella short on sbs
quiet juniper
and does flagellation do 0 damage, I just have to hit 6 spells at 5 combo to get the max hast ?
balmy condor
flag does damage for every combo point you spend during the effect
quiet juniper
you can, but the duration is 5 seconds iirc
yea it makes sense, but are we still wining on number with 3spellx5agix30cd instead of 1spellx10agix1,30cd ?
duno if that makes sense
balmy condor
I mean sure, if you want to compare it like that
the ability damage itself matters, as does the class that's being played
but in a vacuum, we get more uptime I believe, yes
quiet juniper
flag does damage for every combo point you spend during the effect
so flagellation hits the enemy for 6% of my attack power each combo points ? seems nice on paper
balmy condor
its currently kinda meh
quiet juniper
the ability damage itself matters, as does the class that's being played
yea sure
void lynx
how do i make logs
balmy condor
no recast
balmy condor
how do i make logs
quiet juniper
so it just will automaticaly stops after 20s and I'll gain the hast bonus ?
balmy condor
do i have to have the addon or can you analyse past logs
if your character was in fight that was logged and uploaded, that can be analysed
stoic needle
omg no more prideful 
tame lake
what is easier to play in m+ just like rotation and effort wise sin or outlaw?
stoic needle
outlaw is easier
balmy condor
so it just will automaticaly stops after 20s and I'll gain the hast bonus ?
on ptr it's press button, do damage. Then does damage per combo point, and gives haste per combo point, for 12 seconds. The haste lasts 12 seconds after the effect ends
quiet juniper
just try it out and I can fcked up flagelation by not activating the ability again 🙂
quiet juniper
seems so wrong compared to every other class x)
stoic needle
what is easier to play in m+ just like rotation and effort wise sin or outlaw?
outlaw's aoe rotation is the same as the single target rotation. it's more effort to multidot imo
balmy condor
it's more work, for meh damage
stoic needle
having played both
balmy condor
but on ptr though
it's mega hype
I actually switched from fae to venthyr yesterday
void lynx
hwo do i get you the logs from this page https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/shteen
quiet juniper
when will be 9.05 ?
inner granite
I made the switch earlier this week
tame lake
hmm got a decent outlaw wep from a wq and may try it out in m+ I don't like the multi dotting upkeep effort
inner granite
Are you sin main @balmy condor
quiet juniper
because i'm tented for necro or venthyr, I hate night fae and kyrian seems bothersome at most to optimise
balmy condor
hwo do i get you the logs from this page https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/...
just like that. You can click on each fight to see that fight
balmy condor
Are you sin main <@167090536602140682>
no I'm an outlaw main
inner granite
when will be 9.05 ?
9.0.5 releases in March
quiet juniper
9.0.5 releases in March
its like a surprise patch were we are not worthy enough to know the date ?
inner granite
Probably not this Tuesday, but the following Tuesday could be possible
They haven’t announced anything yet
quiet juniper
I see
balmy condor
I'd say the tuesday after that tbh
void lynx
can someone tell me why i suck
tame lake
^ you don't lift
inner granite
So two weeks out
void lynx
or do i need to link something else
stoic needle
hmm got a decent outlaw wep from a wq and may try it out in m+ I don't like the ...
its not bad at all once you get used to it
void lynx
i just started lifting bro
stoic needle
i find it way more fun than outlul
quiet juniper
since I might switch outlaw what is the best for double spec : venthyr or necro (considering 9.05)
stoic needle
venthyr
inner granite
More fun but much less damage in M+ ;sadge;
balmy condor
can someone tell me why i suck
your uptimes are bad, seen here:
this opener is wrong
stoic needle
you should be able to get 97%+ uptime on garotte and rupture on 1-3 targets
balmy condor
on a 6:48 fight, you only cast shiv 10 times
I find it hard to believe this is your best simming single target setup
quiet juniper
But guys since our mastery bonus only boost our poison and bleeding, why is versa below crit ?
balmy condor
double oil is bad
void lynx
what should i have other than double oil
balmy condor
what should i have other than double oil
!oil
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void lynx
so i should have 1 stone and 1 oil?
balmy condor
that's probably fine
I personally suggest double stone cause it's not rng nonsense
the few times I use oils early in the expansion they either procced twice, or like a million times
void lynx
i use the oil potion cause i made a bunch to level alch
balmy condor
we're talking a lot about the oil stuff
but really that's like
the last thing to worry about
void lynx
okay what's the opener
balmy condor
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
all outlined in there
try to read through it, and then test it out on a dummy to see if you can hit your simdps, or get close
if you're nowhere close
that's probably a good indicator that you're missing something in the guides
the most common (and what happened on your logs), being uptimes on dots, and not casting shiv
ionic fox
Does Crimson Tempest stack if used two times ina row for M+?
balmy condor
Does Crimson Tempest stack if used two times ina row for M+?
no
ionic fox
so only cast once
void lynx
do yall use weakauras to track shit
balmy condor
do yall use weakauras to track shit
yes
void lynx
ill check weak auras out then
balmy condor
so only cast once
should be casting in pandemic, yeah
cunning needle
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balmy condor
ill check weak auras out then
!wa
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void lynx
if im nightfae do i save shiv for cov ability or just use on cd?
balmy condor
on cd
void lynx
okay
quiet juniper
Does envenom simply boost my deadly poison by 30% procs ? Is that relevant with my poison's passive that deals damage on unit already poisoned ?
balmy condor
correct
quiet juniper
Are a huge amount of my damage coming from the combo with envenom, slice and dice, my poison and shiv ? Because I totaly missed that while leveling
void lynx
how do i get details to not refresh on a vanish?
cunning needle
reset all data and use overall
balmy condor
you can just vanish and then add up all the damage after
so if you hit a dummy for 5 minutes for example
there will be 3 sections
add those all up
divide total damage by 300
and there's your dps
void lynx
ill just wait till i can parse again and practice my rotation and get some weakauras
torn atlas
Ran a normal/social raid with guild last night as a trial to prove they need me in the team as Sin. Averaged an 81 parse for all runs which felt really good. Overall more comfortable than all Sub runs I've completed.
Feel like Shriek, Artificer and Hungering would have been better switching to Sub tho.
We only cleared to council but assume Sludge would also be a heavily favoured sub fight?
balmy condor
not heavily, but sub is usually better on sludge, yes
ionic fox
except for prog^
stable moss
when the sepsis procs and oyu garrote does it do 80% damage with subterfuge speced?
balmy condor
no
balmy condor
nothing
stable moss
for real or am i getting messed wit
balmy condor
nope
sleek sparrow
You just get a cancel Aura and don't worry about it 
stable moss
what is the reason is it because of poison proc from mute
balmy condor
ambush sucks when it's not free
sleek sparrow
I just cancel aura so it reverts from my stealth bar lol
drifting cloud
whispyr sir I have a question
balmy condor
ryler sir I might have an answer
drifting cloud
kyrian, kleia, subt, 3 cps after muti do I not just er here
stable moss
ambush and mute give 2 cps if you crit an ambush it will only give 3 compared to mute witch will give 4?
drifting cloud
yeah makes sense I was trying to figure out if its bad and im missing something but without mastery buff dont think I am
balmy condor
yeah I don't see why that would be bad either
I guess if you want to really take advantage of the mast buff you could gar mut snd mut er rup
or something
drifting cloud
theres no mastery buff because thats a pelagos thing is what I meant 😛
balmy condor
ambush and mute give 2 cps if you crit an ambush it will only give 3 compared to...
yes
balmy condor
theres no mastery buff because thats a pelagos thing is what I meant 😛
oh right right, we're kleia
yeah in that cast big whatever
stable moss
im playing with MA bracers cause i dont have a assa leggo yet waiting to see from ptr but when i open i go mute slice garrote mute rupt
stable moss
seems pretty good to me then when i pop ven i sep shiv vanish mute evis mute evis
then its just play the game from there
torn atlas
not heavily, but sub is usually better on sludge, yes
Hmm. Maybe not worth bothering with then. Assume the lack of potency conduit would diminish the effectiveness if it's not much more favoured.
stoic needle
Feel like Shriek, Artificer and Hungering would have been better switching to Su...
honestly sin is better on all of those fights
faint harness
honestly sin is better on all of those fights
Not on shriek at least, awkward cd timings
wide hemlock
how much energy should i pool before using shiv to get 3 envenoms? and is getting envenoms out the priority over refreshing dots during this window?
balmy condor
how much energy should i pool before using shiv to get 3 envenoms? and is gettin...
with vigor I would pool to around 100, with mfd probably 60ish in single target, but the optimal way would be to hold envenom until you're going to overcap, which then automatically pools for everything
envenoms are the priority
balmy condor
overcapping is any lost energy because you're sitting at the maximum
wide hemlock
ok ill try to edge on the energy and see how it is. im so used to sub being able to just spam gcds with the burst window and not even look at the enrgy bar.
ive been doing 100. but it looks like im always out of energy. im at around 15% haste
drifting cosmos
yea I remember switching from sub, takes a bit to get used sin playstyle
torn atlas
honestly sin is better on all of those fights
Truly? I must be misplaying, will review my logs when I get home. Been a week or three since I fully switched to Sin but feel like those fights I did better as Sub.
Artificer at least, I know I made mistakes with mechanics that were a direct dps loss which I can fix. The other two fights just felt lacking.
Might just be a feels thing.
stoic needle
i guess sub's cooldowns do line up better with the intermissions on shriekwing, but you do more damage during the forced downtime on hungering and artificer for sure
pulsar sluice
theres no static rotation with zold right? its just maintain dots/snd ?
is there any rules i should know in terms of when to use ambush over mut
would i ever use env at 4+ or just 5
stoic needle
im pretty sure MA is the only legendary that changes our rotation
we dont have any generators besides garotte (and shiv sometimes) that reliably give 1cp, so you always want to finish on 4. dont mut at 4cp just to get to 5 and finish. the damage of envenom scales linearly with CP so as long as you dont waste CP you will do the most damage
stoic needle
well yeah if you're at 5 from seal fate crits that's fine
stoic needle
the main goal is to not waste CP
pulsar sluice
whats the opener like (i only plan on raiding)
stoic needle
if you're using MA leggo or talent it's mut snd mut garotte rupture. if you're using subterfuge it's garotte mut snd mut rupture
that might change in the next patch with CTTC
@balmy condor ready to figure out the new optimal cttc opener logic? 
pulsar sluice
I'll prob use one set of talents since im lazy about tomes
stoic needle
go with subterfuge then
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> ready to figure out the new optimal cttc opener logic? <:...
you mean what we currently have?
pulsar sluice
2/3 cp rupture? is that to get the energy gain going
stoic needle
yep
stoic needle
you mean what we currently have?
what about a 1cp snd after garotte with subterfuge and using cttc to build up snd duration instead of casting a higher CP snd
pulsar sluice
im assuming sepsis > shiv after then vendetta
pulsar sluice
like lust on pull it would be good idea yea
how does sin fare in sunking
am i forced to play CT
stoic needle
you mean what we currently have?
or putting up rupture first before SND now that it doesn't give energy
if you want to parse on sunking yeah you need to play CT
sunking is a garbage fight regardless
pulsar sluice
yeah ill prob like arthritislaw for that
On friday we got invera to 2% twice feels bad man
wish I had execute
It helps whe nwe get lucky and only 1 add spawns
Also i'm assuming we FoK for 3+ ?
stoic needle
4+
you can cloak the adds
if you cloak during the cast of the spell that summons them
pulsar sluice
Yeah but everyone has to immune
stoic needle
it's random but still worth trying
pulsar sluice
so say for sire or inverva we're just spreading dots and whoever focus target we env
Like for sire heroic strat we usually clear adds and when hes close to 40% we'll cleave the adds but focus boss
stoic needle
for inerva, i dot up the small add and focus the big add and then swap back to inerva. if vendetta is up just use it on inerva and focus on her. for sire it's similar, you want to try to get a rupture up on sire and remornia when you fall down in p2, and then vanish + garotte sire, remornia, and both adds, rupture the far add and then tunnel sire. in general you want to keep dots up on remornia and sire as much as you can and spam envenoms into sire otherwise
pulsar sluice
so after thsoe garrote drops dont touch adds?
stoic needle
depends on the dps of your raid
sometimes i have to dps the far one, sometimes we have enough dps that they just die on their own
pulsar sluice
u said FoK on 4+ would u fok inbetween those 4
torn atlas
Are parses confined to difficulty level? Like are scores for mythic separate to those for heroic?
pulsar sluice
Yep
torn atlas
Yeah sweet. Makes sense.
stoic needle
u said FoK on 4+ would u fok inbetween those 4
4+ includes 4 yeah hehe
pulsar sluice
Just asking cuz u said tunnel sire
stoic needle
sometimes it's hard to hit all 4 with fok depending on how your tank positions
obsidian willow
What lego do you guys use for m+? MA or zoldycks?
stoic needle
you want to get 5-6 bleeds up before you start envenoming. any combination of garottes and ruptures
obsidian willow
Okkk
inner granite
@balmy condor Here's a link of what I was talking about earlier
Doomblade is already simming so far ahead of zold for me, something weird here?
inner granite
<:hmm:671849797119901710>
What do you think is happening here
balmy condor
yeah that seems fairly normal
balmy condor
cause it's execute damage and overall damage
and also we all crafted zoldyck like 3 weeks ago before we knew that envenom was bugged
which then hurt zold quite a bit
inner granite
I see I see
So for a guy that only has a 210 zold, worth building up doomblade / dashing in the meantime and keep it @ 210?
balmy condor
yeah that's fine
dense narwhal
Execute legendary is still great for raid?
pulsar sluice
Does anyone else use plater here? I'm trying to mimic the elvui effect when you target something the nameplate pops out
stoic needle
Execute legendary is still great for raid?
yeah. execute damage will never not be great
solar flicker
Anyone have a fat assa sim I can compare myself to? Getting the sire set ready
oak arrow
im running lower ilvl rings for stat stack, but still pulling decent numbers.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7MyFi5inxzYW2HUxwAVzVX
drifting cloud
oak arrow
only losing 40 dps overall, but down to 212 from 218 , so parses look better lol
vast pond
I'll be over 6k when I craft my DB shoulder Tuesday.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/88n9KfkJX8HWDmkuNJ2jUg
last iris
So doomblade is better for m+?
vast pond
From what I read, no. Either MA or Zold
balmy condor
doomblade is trash in m+
slow marsh
Whisp when you were doing that dungeonslice stuff with theotar and checking if it was gains to sync vendetta and flag
did you check to see if it was gains with duskblade or na
Since they would be around the same cd
balmy condor
did you check to see if it was gains with duskblade or na
The sync would work regardless of legendary. And the current APL accounts for dusk as well
So the short form is, yes it’s a gain, and yes, it’s implemented
It’s also on nightly already
slow marsh
Cool cool
manic harness
cause it's execute damage and overall damage
What was the bug?
balmy condor
Envenom doesn’t pandemic anymore
Less envenom uptime = less poison damage = weaker zold
manic harness
Well that kinda sucks, I just crafted 235 Zols lol
I guess I can get ready to get Doomblade as well since I'll be using Sin exclusively for st fights
balmy condor
It’s still a good legendary
manic harness
Yeah I'm not super worried
balmy condor
Like sire is zoldyck stonks
manic harness
Just means another 3 weeks of Choreghast
slow marsh
Yuuuuuup
faint harness
I am always personally doing the torghast cap, even if I don’t need a legendary atm
Seems kinda weird to not just do it
manic harness
I don't want to do things I don't like doing lol
That's why I stopped doing dailies
manic harness
^
balmy condor
I don’t even do maw stuff anymore honestly
faint harness
Yea ofc but it’s at most an hour per week
torn atlas
That's why I stopped doing dailies
Can't remember the last time I completely a calling on purpose
shy dust
It’s like 40 minutes
balmy condor
Yea ofc but it’s at most an hour per week
Yeah, an hour I spend playing a game that’s more fun, or doing a key
shy dust
You’re a rogue you can skip eveurnting
manic harness
I usually do floors 1 and 2 then skip 4 and 5
I have enough gear that it almost always works
But i don't see the point if I had all the legendaries I wanted
faint harness
I have semi-slept through torghast so many times
slow marsh
I think more annoying than the ash grind is the vault grind for legs
At least I know what I'm getting for ash
manic harness
Me Torghast to me is like
Okay did I get the power that resets AR after Sepsis ends?
If so, I win easily
If not. I have to spend even more time on this shit
slow marsh
Sin is easy mode
manic harness
I've heard that a lot actually
slow marsh
Yeah they just have stupid strong common uncommons
torn atlas
It's actually obese
stoic needle
Torghast is more interesting than anything else in this game besides keys, raid and pvp
stoic needle
And world quests, and transmog farming, and gold farming
It's the least chorelike chore
torn atlas
I'd run torghast on repeat before completing a pet battle.
stoic needle
If you don't over gear it it can actually be challenging
manic harness
I mean don't get me wrong I don't HATE it
I just don't see the point of doing it over and over when I already had the legendaries I want
slow marsh
I'd rather do torghast twice a week than grind azerite every day
manic harness
And I don't trust the devil not to fuck us over and invalidate our dust going into next season
stoic needle
I liked it pre-nerf when it was hard
manic harness
Devs* not devil
stoic needle
Why would they do that though
manic harness
Csuse they do stupid shit like that all the time
stoic needle
Do they actually?
slow marsh
If anything they will increase the cap and open up more options with it
manic harness
You tell me why we can't upgrade pre 905 m+ gear?
stoic needle
They're going to increase the cap and raise the ilvl legendaries can upgrade to
manic harness
They tried the same shit in 8.3 until community backlash hit them
stoic needle
That is dumb I agree
I just don't think they'll get rid of the ash we do have
Just make you need more of it
Like you'll get to empower your legendary and double the effect for more ash or something
manic harness
Oh and all the stygia people are grinding for maw dailies? Gone with 9.1, new currency needed for gem slots
I mean yeah that's the plan now but the last 2 expansions have been filled with bullcrap like that
I just didn't want to invest 2 hours a week for 10+ weeks if it's gonna be invalidated like so many other things are
drifting cosmos
Oh that's good news. I haven't grind maw at all😂
manic harness
Now that I know it isn't, fine, I'll go do Torghast to get Doomblade
manic harness
Lol that's another funny one
Grind out 144 floors if TC, get a maw mount
Surprise! Next patch you can mount in the maw
stoic needle
I still think they shouldn't let you mount in the maw
manic harness
I sound a little bit more jaded here than I think I really am
stoic needle
The maw should stay dangerous
manic harness
I mean I could have told you it was gonna happen with the amount of hitching they get about how unfun the maw is
Bitching*
torn atlas
I mean, the next patch is based in the Maw. It would be tedious af if you still couldn't mount.
I don't see an issue with opening that sort of thing up gradually with each patch. It's no worse than the weekly gating of content at expansion launch.
Added bonus now if you're keen to grind it out early.
stoic needle
I just feel like thematically something is lost by making the maw easy to navigate
It was way cooler when it was a pain in the ass
Make you work to be able to easily navigate it at least like doing tc or the secret mount
Flying sucks
There isn't much exploration to be done anymore
torn atlas
Yeah I can see how people dislike flying.
balmy condor
I lose the sense of wonder when I’ve been everywhere after the first 2 weeks of an expansion in
But maybe that’s me
I mean I’ve done that too
But I’m still taking flight paths
I’ve seen the zones
I’ve done the stories
Idc anymore I just wanna go from A to B
low girder
^
nothing in the maw is dangerous
nothing in the world is dangerous, honestly, it never has been. it's just annoying.
if i've seen all the content and done all the grinding just lemme fly imo
lament dove
sure, but for some people that's a waste of time
although I can understand it completely on PvP realms
I played on PvP for a long time and I didn't have problem with it
but nowadays I'm too old for that shit:P
I just like to get my shit done
disable flying with warmode:)
balmy condor
Yeah I would be fine with not being able to fly in pvp
Like a minute cd after pvp or something idk
manic harness
That will never happen though lol
No one is gonna gimp themselves that hard in terms of raw time spent
balmy condor
I would just remake the entire concept of world content at this tbh
manic harness
Like Shadowlands traversal right now would be perfect if we had whistle imo
Not too slow, not too fast
You can get out when you want to
But can't do it too often
lament dove
tbh flying is not really that much faster, it's just convenience
the maps are not that big
manic harness
I actually like whistle and flight paths more because I don't have to worry about flying off continent and getting Fatigue death and rez sickness while I'm afk lmao
marble bear
I played too much mm hunter and forgot my rogue existed
vocal karma
Hey everyone, I started out with my rogue 2 weeks ago and wanted to ask what legendary I should get with the upcoming 9.0.5 changes in mind? Zoldyck, Dashing or Doomblade? Not sure after following the discussions, I'm mostly PUGing stuff, all from raids, m+ to PvP
balmy condor
If you’re doing all content, and you’re looking for 1 legendary, make MA
broken flame
Ok so I've been doing some testing on PTR yesterday, and this was the max amount of haste I could achieve on a target dummy https://puu.sh/HkZ0l/fe49314d6d.png 😂 👌
Without Power Infusion and Heroism 🙃
Venthyr feels super fun to play with recent changes
balmy condor
Is it still maxing at 30
broken flame
yeah
balmy condor
Unlucky
broken flame
this was in combination with Nadija and haste trinket I got from World quest (194 ilvl gives like 650 haste for 12 sec)
It felt a bit like patch 8.3 all over again 😛
balmy condor
Except the exsang part
broken flame
true
drifting cosmos
Super AA speed
primal zinc
im very used to this btw.....at 30 stacks of thrill seeker i pop flag and reactivate it at 25+ stacks http://prntscr.com/10a5io4
thats around 30 stacks of thrill seeker flag activasion
tbh i only gain haste cos flag dmg is crap 😦
so i try to sync them best possible
strange python
solar flicker
Anyone have a fat assa sim I can compare myself to? Getting the sire set ready
I know im late but I was able to get up to 6155 with my bags + r3 zold I can get on tues 
Thought I'd need more haste from pvp pieces I dont have but it was using crit ench over haste
drifting cloud
this apolane guy really just ran a wft sim to flex
solar flicker
Yeah fuck iqd
unless its 226 like that one 
Also wft does almost nothing for assa so who cares
im not that far off tho for it being scuffed ty rae
faint harness
Also wft does almost nothing for assa so who cares
2.5% dps? 
solar flicker
limber lion
Iqd is pretty sick for bosses under 3 mins. Longer than that and it's shit.
tribal marlin
<@!311139294741790721> why are u hitting 3 platform guys during ur kill <:kekw:6...
hahaha because we keep doing the old strategy
crimson palm
as soon as ur healers start padding healing logs and are oom before 3 mins
ur fucked with iqd
torn atlas
just ran fresh sims after a bit of upgrades, according to the breakdown Deadly Poison should be 20% of damage (broken down into 11% an 9%), is this accurate?
ahh, I just noticed it has 2 separate breakdown in details also but I'm hitting closer to 15%
how do I possibly improve that, like it's either applied or it's not, right?
limber lion
Was the fight duration similar?
Deadly Poison is passive damage and there's a few things that increase it's damage. Shiv-usage (pretty much on cooldown), Zoldyck (how long the target is in execute range), Elaborate Planning and many others.
I wouldn't worry too much about matching the damage of your DP to a simulation
It varies quite a bit depending on the fight
torn atlas
yeah roughly, did 5 min sim Target dummy, Patchwerk and PW Execute and most of the raid fights we did in about 5-5.5minutes.
all 3 show 20%ish for DP damage. Though I looked closer and most of my raid boss breakdowns were like 16-18% and Target dummy breakdown is about 15%.
limber lion
You should see a lot more damage in your poisons on fights with adds such as Huntsman/Inerva/Generals
But it doesn't matter too much, just focus on other things than trying to match the DP damage.
torn atlas
Yeah, we didnt do generals, but looks like higher for Inerva and Huntsman than it was for other fights. So that checks out.
Yeah fair, just thought I would ask incase I was missing something that should be pushing that damage higher.
limber lion
Also of course the more damage you do with your other abilities, the less % of damage will you deal with DP.
So you need to look at other abilities as well when comparing it.
limber lion
Yeah fair, just thought I would ask incase I was missing something that should b...
But yeah, don't worry about it.
Pog 1 dps higher
pure sinew
!oh
prisma monolithBOT
Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.
north basin
I wonder if they buff poison bomb this expac, wanna good ol times when it was 50% of damage
limber lion
Imagine buffing the best ST talent on that row, when Venom Rush has been a dead talent for 3 years now. :--D
But definitely not buffing it. It was really poor game design when your whole spec is reliant on random procs.
faint harness
Good ole times.. random proc doing 50% of your damage 
native lynx
Good ole times.. random proc doing 50% of your damage <:monkaS:58573408401437492...
Thats kind of like how ww damage with SCK works right now, isnt it?
faint harness
Idk i havent played ww enough
Sounds like terrible design
Blizzard made a bunch of bugfixes to ww on ptr, so its prob dead now
subtle kiln
WW Fixes from PTR this week are listed in their announcements on their discord.
primal zinc
@limber lion imagine 50% generic skills dmg buff 
stoic needle
so i try to sync them best possible
This is a dps loss btw