#assassination
iron orchid
stoic needle
sub is kinda dogshit on 2-3 targets which is a large part of M+ nowadays
worldly echo
Yea I agree there. For sure.
Very hard to consistently put out good cleave numbers as sub.
stoic needle
honestly i didn't even think that alacrity was worth tracking for a while 
just goes to show that you dont need a bunch of WAs to pump
worldly echo
AoE is fine though.
stoic needle
its still kinda meh on aoe tbh
sin does better cleave and aoe
and comparable single target
worldly echo
Oh wow really.
stoic needle
Crimson tempest is just better than black powder
worldly echo
That’s great to hear.
stoic needle
and your ruptures actually do damage, and you have subterfuge garottes
iron orchid
honestly i didn't even think that alacrity was worth tracking for a while <:KekW...
pulling 4 cps between pulls, waiting for the aura to read 0.5s remaining, hitting SnD, not getting alac refresh
worldly echo
I will give it a whirl next M+ I think.
iron orchid
stoic needle
and you can burn your CD(vendetta) on prideful and not really care because it'll be up again for the next boss
worldly echo
Thanks for responses @stoic needle
stoic needle
and it's not a huge deal for AOE regardless so you aren't punished for using CDs on pride like other classes might be
yeah ofc
i enjoy M+ as sin quite a bit
you do really consistent damage all the time
topaz saffron
The AoE rotation feels smooth
stoic needle
but you don't burst as high as other classes
worldly echo
I did a lot in BfA and then went sub and I do love the change of style t has from sin. But I loved sin more in M+ BfA.
stoic needle
tbh plater's nameplates are just better than elvui's
i use everything else elvui and plater nameplates
feral merlin
man wish i could use plater and elvui at the same time
You can
pulsar sluice
Yeah but wouldn't it just be conflicting
topaz field
question for assassination rogues that are better than I am. Would flagellation be better than sepsis with its upcoming rework?
balmy condor
question for assassination rogues that are better than I am. Would flagellation ...
In what context
topaz field
Just in general, I really only expect to raid and do m+
stoic needle
Yeah but wouldn't it just be conflicting
there will be a pop up that makes you choose one and disable the other
topaz field
Thanks, I'm really new to rogue and didn't know what would be better
stoic needle
the health/energy/combo point bar that's in the middle of my UI is from plater too
bleak sedge
TiL people have alacrity WAs. maybe i should aswell
pulsar sluice
tbh im weird, like this is what i use for outlaw
im on spriest rn btw so dont mind me
bleak sedge
You mean like tracking the buff?
yes
balmy condor
That seems really useless
pulsar sluice
is there any sin wa's that are like that
bleak sedge
That seems really useless
thats what i think aswell
pulsar sluice
there will be a pop up that makes you choose one and disable the other
oh really, that seems legit
bleak sedge
i dont even have WAs to track my poison
bleak sedge
tbh im weird, like this is what i use for outlaw
i dont see any WAs on that
Oh wait
that whole thing is a WA lmao
bleak sedge
Jesus christ that is atrocious XD
bleak sedge
Why not use your actionbar if you use ur WA like that
pulsar sluice
cuz its a little more elevated from my keys so im able to look at my character more
and the way my nameplates are set up is how i have em in almost every mmos ever
bleak sedge
you could move your actionbar if you use elvui
stoic needle
here's my plater profile @pulsar sluice https://wago.io/0xB3yNIxB
and my rogue WA collection which has the PRD was and other WAs i've made in it
pulsar sluice
whats prd
stoic needle
personal resource display
pulsar sluice
ooo
stoic needle
the health/combopoint/energy bar in the middle of the pictures
blizzard's default one is ugly, plater's is pretty nice
pulsar sluice
where do u keep your targets hp and target of target
stoic needle
Next to that
stoic needle
target of target I keep firmly in the "disabled" category
Do you like dying?
balmy condor
no but why would knowing the target of target be important for that
pulsar sluice
well i pvp sometimes too haha
stoic needle
Because then you can know if the mob you're killing is about to obliterate you
plush umbra
if you got aggro you're dead that's it
gleaming tinsel
Target of target irrelevant for pvp lol
plush umbra
balmy condor
Because then you can know if the mob you're killing is about to obliterate you
the color of the nameplate changes if I have aggro
gleaming tinsel
^
stoic needle
Target of target irrelevant for pvp lol
This is also false, if a DH is scouting you across the map you can see if they're targeting you
vital tapir
already did 😂
gleaming tinsel
You can see that on BGE my dude
plush umbra
Well you know you're being scouted
gleaming tinsel
Which is basically a mandatory mod for bgs lol
balmy condor
@stoic needle think about it like this. The problem we're trying to fix is not being able to see when things are hitting you, yeah? Given these two solutions, which would you rather have:
- Nameplates, which you're already looking at, highlighting when they're aggro'd to you
- Having to look at one specific target's of target to know if that one target is now targetting you instead of the tank
median igloo
Go back to your cage @gleaming tinsel
gleaming tinsel
I’ve got lock picking idiot
median igloo
Fffffff
gleaming tinsel
Being an assassination zug zug is my cage pol
median igloo
I'm defo gonna try doomblade in 9.0.5
gleaming tinsel
Doomblade sucks play zoldyck
balmy condor
?
pulsar sluice
@stoic needle which wa's u using here so i dont import wrong ones
spice spire
???
pulsar sluice
spice spire
Doomblade is def super strong ST in 9.0.5. Even now, in some cases it’ll out sim zold.
Doomblade definitely does poorly in Mythic+ by comparison
stoic needle
<@!502859708504342538> which wa's u using here so i dont import wrong ones
That one is PRD buffs, PRD debuffs, SnD PrD, and the plater profile
gleaming tinsel
Idk doomblade just seems like it’s slightly better on a sim so it’s for parsing on irrelevant content
Execute too good for prog
gleaming tinsel
Did they buff it again? I thought it was like 1% better
balmy condor
envenom bug fix hurt zold, 9.0.5 buffs doomblade
median igloo
The obv answer is to make both doomblade and zold
gleaming tinsel
But I already made a sephuz
stoic needle
Dashing 🤢
gleaming tinsel
So I gotta pick 1
median igloo
LOL
balmy condor
either way you'd probably want a single target option over zoldyck
pulsar sluice
for what fights would you not play doomblade though except for the obvious ones like sunking or invera
ornate lake
wait, just to double check. Patchwerk 5 min sim includes execute phase right? (so zoldyck is calculated there?)
feral merlin
wait, just to double check. Patchwerk 5 min sim includes execute phase right? (s...
I dont think so as theres a specific execute patchwerk sim
torpid spoke
will it be better to save soul ash for doomblade?
or should I finish upgrading mark of sin / zoldyck
balmy condor
wait, just to double check. Patchwerk 5 min sim includes execute phase right? (s...
yes
stoic needle
Finish upgrading zoldyck
balmy condor
I dont think so as theres a specific execute patchwerk sim
execute patchwerk is a full execute time
boss starts at 20% hp
ornate lake
R4 doomblade simming 110 dps higher than R3 zoldyk. Time to test on ST raid fights that arent progression
ornate raptor
I don’t know what i should make for the 9.05 patch. Doomblade or dashin will be wait for end results when it comes closer to patch release
stoic needle
Doomblade is cooler imo
It also seems to be slightly more dps than dashing
But waiting until closer to 9.0.5 release isn't a bad idea
feral merlin
Takes 4-5 weeks to make a R4 right?
balmy condor
yes
feral merlin
I have 210 zold, should I just save all my ash till tuning for 9.0.5 is here as my rogue is an alt
stoic needle
No you should max your zold
feral merlin
Bet
stoic needle
<@!502859708504342538> think about it like this. The problem we're trying to fix...
I get what you're saying, but I have my nameplates change color for other reasons such as execute range, dangerous mobs and etc so I find the aggro color change to not be completely reliable
balmy condor
oh I just have a tick mark for execute
stoic needle
interesting
Omg wait is that what that mark is
Holy shit I've been staring at that this whole time and I could never figure out what the fuck it was 
ornate lake
Plater has a build in execute marker
spice spire
Imagine color changing being ur mechanism for change when ur colorblind LMAO couldn’t be me 
stoic needle
Imagine color changing being ur mechanism for change when ur colorblind LMAO cou...
I could make a colorblind version if you want
slender trail
how is assassination in torghast?
stoic needle
It's the best rogue spec for torghast
Assassination unironically scales insanely well with all of the damage amps and massive amounts of stats you get. Master poisoner and leeching poison makes you very tanky and if you can't facetank stuff you can just kite forever
Unceasing chain link turns garotte into a monster nuke
stoic needle
Yeah that's cute and all but sin is just better
torpid spoke
and master assassin
stoic needle
You can get the 0 vial cd +vial gives defensives build as sin, and be basically invincible between those defensives and the leech
slender trail
do you run poison bomb or crimson tempest (in torghast)?
balmy condor
CT
spice spire
I could make a colorblind version if you want
Nah I’m used to it lol
grave cove
Unceasing chain link turns garotte into a monster nuke
Oh shit I didn't realise chain link affected dots
balmy condor
Garrote is a generator
stoic needle
It's any combo point builder
balmy condor
Chain link affects generator
grave cove
Got it will try on my TC run 😄 What ilvl did you guys have when u cleared TC lair 8?
stoic needle
One time I had 3x chain links and subterfuge garotte basically one shotted everything I hit it with
stoic needle
I haven't even done the first quest
stoic needle
There's gonna be a craft able one in a few weeks in 9.0.5
balmy condor
Yeah and then they announced that all mounts will work in the maw
So I couldn’t be fucked anymore
spice spire
The real play is multiple chain links with fok in aoe. Or when sepsis gets stupid powers
limber lion
Double sepsis-powers can one shot any biggie if you pull 3 mobs with it. It's huge and so much fun. Useless against most of the final bosses though :(
frozen karma
is it just me or does shiv not show up in casts/timeline in wclogs?
trying to find decent NF openers
limber lion
No, blame Blizzard for that
Apparently it's coded differently and doesn't have a cast-action tied to it - or something like that
balmy condor
yep
frozen karma
damn, that sucks, thanks for the quick answer tho
what would be the go to opener? guides seems kinda outdated
for MA
balmy condor
guides are updated
frozen karma
I checked the ravenholdt one, said updated last nov, I guess wowhead is better?
balmy condor
that's just an error on the last updated time I think
I remember asking weak for changes like 3-4 weeks ago
frozen karma
Alright ty
balmy condor
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
all of these should be fine
but if you think you see an issue with one let me know and I'll take a look
frozen karma
yeah np, was just concerned about the date
limber lion
Good, next time you do it with proper talents, you'll blast like a mofo.
pastel osprey
so are we going venthyr in 9.0.5 ?
pulsar sluice
@stoic needle so i loaded up plater and it asked me which one like you said but I selected plater and my elvui nameplates are still on
balmy condor
go into elv and turn them off then
balmy condor
so are we going venthyr in 9.0.5 ?
you can
stoic needle
so are we going venthyr in 9.0.5 ?
True patricians are 
dim mirage
staying nf
pulsar sluice
also not sure why the wa's are like anchored to each other
slender trail
i already switched because I Believe (tm)
pastel osprey
i already switched because I Believe (tm)
to venthyr ?
slender trail
yes to venthyr
limber lion
I had a Sire pull where I changed to BS/MA talentas but I forgot to change my gear and used the MA lege for the pull with MA talented as well... Good thing we wiped :'))
slender trail
!ma
pastel osprey
@balmy condor u going venthyr ?
balmy condor
yes
limber lion
Venthyr-gang right here
stoic needle
also not sure why the wa's are like anchored to each other
They're supposed to be anchored to the personal resource display
You need to turn that on in plater, it's called 'personal bar'
slender trail
is there an MA opener outlined anywhere? or should i just check log timelines
stoic needle
Mut snd mut rup
slender trail
sorry, i should have specified in dungeons w/ subterfuge
frozen karma
you have fun
limber lion
sorry, i should have specified in dungeons w/ subterfuge
Just gar>gar>gar>ct
stoic needle
Oh you also have to enable the personal resource display in the blizzard options enabled
frozen karma
trying to figure it out
limber lion
Feelcraft it out
pulsar sluice
i do have it enabled
limber lion
Subt+MA combo is kinda awkward because you want to maximize the garrote usage from Subt which in return devalues MA
slender trail
yeah i'd say if you can chain into vanish and get the big dot crits it makes sense. hard to spend that 4s spreading gars, which makes subterfuge not feel like the best pairing with MA (not saying it isn't, just they are a bit at odds with each other)
exactly
limber lion
If I was running MA I would gar-gar-gar-fok-ct opener
Apply 1 rupture after
Then sepsis-shiv-vanish-gar-gar-gar-ct
Or you can fully cheese MA and use Hidden Blades talent :')
stoic needle
@pulsar sluice
balmy condor
Just gar>gar>gar>ct
4 garrotes into CT
stoic needle
limber lion
4 garrotes into CT
Ah shit yeah, missed one
pulsar sluice
yeah i have the same stuff, copied ur profile remember
stoic needle
from what i can see in the background it looks like it's working
pulsar sluice
ye but i can't like move the debuffs else where
stoic needle
do you not want them to move with the resource display or do you want to move them down or up while staying attached
pulsar sluice
you see how you have them here? i want to be able to move them under/above the target
my enemy bar/focus bar not showing up too and they are enabled
is this profile old or something lol
stoic needle
well the focus bar and enemy bar are part of unitframes which this doesn't modify so i'm nto sure about that
no ijust exported it an hour ago lol
stoic needle
show me a picture of what your nameplates look like
ah wtf lol
what are the position settings for your PRD buffs and PRD debuffs weakauras
i don't know why yours look like that. I even deleted mine and loaded them from the website and they're in the proper spot for me
limber lion
@balmy condor How's the defensives-spreadsheet coming along? 
stoic needle
its weird that the SND one is in the right place but the others aren't
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> How's the defensives-spreadsheet coming along? <:kappat:5...
spreadsheet stylizing is hard man
limber lion
You can say that again.
balmy condor
but should be able to start crowdfunding logs and shit next week
limber lion
Good shit
pulsar sluice
i just changed the pos
stoic needle
i'm confused. do you want it anchored to the PRD display or not
pulsar sluice
it seems the position was just off
but my original question was how do i move the debuffs one to the target bar (which im clearly missing dunno how)
stoic needle
it doesn't, those are two separate things. the debuffs one is for single target in raids and situations where thr nameplate might not be easily visible so you can still track your dots. the stuff on the nameplates is part of the plater profile
dim shoal
@balmy condor Please correct me if I misunderstand something, but zoldyck still is the best choice for assa right? Cause mystlers sims don’t show it once in the calculations
stoic needle
but my original question was how do i move the debuffs one to the target bar (wh...
go attack some dummies and put some dots up and show me what it looks like
pulsar sluice
stoic needle
well yeah that's how it's supposed to look
but the weakauras are still out of place
pulsar sluice
is the target bar like an extra wa im missing
stoic needle
no that's just the default elvui target unitframe
that i moved next to where the PRD usually rests
it doesn't move with anything else because elvui can't anchor unit frames to the personal resource display
rocky ruin
We going venthyr in 9.05 right?
rocky ruin
Nah i found the venthyr ability from the begin good but the praxis was still kinda off
balmy condor
then venthyr it is
stoic needle
I’m late. Link?
im gonna add some stuff for other covenants and specs to save myself more imports later. give me like 10 min
iron orchid
Stream ready soon, done recruiting new guild members, we have no boomie tonight, but we are gonna start with Mists 17 to warm up with a fury warrior @spice spire
proud ore
But I’m not sin. Only gave idle gear waiting for our time
stoic needle
yeah that's why i'm updating it. i know not everyone plays sin or plays other specs and i'd like to accommodate it at least a little
spice spire
Stream ready soon, done recruiting new guild members, we have no boomie tonight,...
Almost home - be there soon 
bleak sedge
Heyo guys do i use CT on single target in M?
stoic needle
yes
tawny iris
Stream ready soon, done recruiting new guild members, we have no boomie tonight,...
twitchname?
exotic pine
Just started ass rogue for first time since legion, was taking sepsis a bad choice ?
exotic pine
Wasn’t sure if guides were up to date ty ty
Seems to play like artifact ability in a way
limber lion
Eh not really. The new Flagellation is closer to the artifact ability, but still not quite.
exotic pine
Fair
limber lion
Sepsis is a great choice and Soulshape is busted. :--)
limber lion
Yeah, I'm still not 100% on Venthyr. Still like 80/20 and only because of Soulshape
But glad to make the switch to Venthyr now especially with flying coming in with patch 9.1
stoic needle
Door can be almost as good but it requires you to react to things 1.5 second earlier
limber lion
Revendreth is such a pain in the ass
stoic needle
And when you're using soulshape to save yourself from dying that may just mean you die
Revendreth is ok once you unlock the mirrors
And if you have gliders
limber lion
Door can be almost as good but it requires you to react to things 1.5 second ear...
Yep. I've used Soulshape once in DoS before the Manastorm's oil pipes. I got hit by the oil because I was unpatient and Soulshaped in the air to save myself
Couldn't do that with doos.
door*
bleak sedge
how do you guys open in aoe? im struggling to use snd
balmy condor
we don't use snd in aoe
bleak sedge
and in cleave vs 3 ?
balmy condor
you would get it up after CT, before ruptures
bleak sedge
alright thx
balmy condor
you can also get it up before CT
if you'd like to get the single target rolling a little more
limber lion
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#class=Rogue&difficulty=4&spec=Assassination
not really working as intended though
limber lion
It says I got PI on Huntsman, when in fact I had PI on Shriekwing and other bosses as well
stoic needle
Thank Jesus
limber lion
Makes my logs look better than they are. I definitely had PI, not sure why it's not picking it up.
stoic needle
Jesus christ dude, 9000 dps on huntsman?
fleet anchor
Probably helps to give examples for tracking it down
limber lion
I just reported it to their WCL-discord
fleet anchor
Although it looks like you did get PI on that Huntsman parse?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4bpahfWAYmrHGznt#fight=27&type=auras&translate=true&ability=10060
limber lion
Although it looks like you did get PI on that Huntsman parse?
https://www.warcra...
Yes I did!
But I had PI on several other pulls I mean
fleet anchor
Ah I see what you mean now
limber lion
It should show up on Shriekwing, Lady, Sludge etc.
Pretty much every boss other than HD/SLG/Sire
fleet anchor
Gotcha yeah
limber lion
Jesus christ dude, 9000 dps on huntsman?
Gotta be honest that well-timed PI's and lust on pull are huge on Huntsman.
fleet anchor
I mean I suspect the detection definitely has to be off
Based on the relatively low percentage of top parses for some specs that I know almost always have PI
Like this guy here shows as non-PI
And got PI 3 times during the fight lol
stoic needle
Gotta be honest that well-timed PI's and lust on pull are huge on Huntsman.
regardless, it's pretty badass hehe
limber lion
Yeah. It's relatively new (wasn't implemented this morning if I recall correctly) so it's pretty baggy. But I'm really glad that they actually added a PI-feature.
limber lion
Will be nice when it's working
Absolutely
tawny shell
Where does it show the pi icon? I don’t see it on mobile
balmy condor
logs on mobile is mega fucked
limber lion
The mobile view limits a lot of things you can see, it's the very last thing shown on rankings.
tawny shell
Yeah figured
limber lion
I don't think you can even see talents or something
tawny shell
Unluck
limber lion
like it's super limited
tawny shell
Oh I see in that screen shot
thorny shore
why warcraftlogs is not showing shiv cast times or in timelines
limber lion
It's Blizzard's fault, not theirs.
It's missing a cast-action so it can't be tracked by the logs. You can still see when it was applied if you look at damage done-timeline
I asked them if they could hard-force the debuff-application as a cast, and they say they could do it but wouldn't. Reason was "might be better to keep it as a reflection of how the game works rather than starting to modify things"
arctic walrus
@fleet anchor it's not retroactive so any logs prior to today will not have it implemented, unless the person chooses to reupload the logs
fleet anchor
That seems a bit odd
limber lion
That's not true though because my Huntsman kill is on the same log as the other kills.
And only the Huntsman kill is tracked.
fleet anchor
Could be they are re-scanning but haven't actually processed everything yet
vestal wharf
So is it worth it to craft Dashing right now, or should I just go Doomblade for next patch?
limber lion
Kihra said: "It's not retroactive, so kind of useless right now, I am mulling over whether or not I should try a global recrawl.
(A global recrawl of Nathria at this point would be a dangerous thing with huge repercussions.)"
And that he's doing top 500 dps/hps ranks for all specs
balmy condor
isn't kihra a she
limber lion
That's what I thought based on his avatar
But here's his twitter
Twitter
Looks like a dude to me.
balmy condor
So is it worth it to craft Dashing right now, or should I just go Doomblade for ...
would wait to see if doomblade bug gets fixed and then evaluate. Dashing is a good choice though
balmy condor
Looks like a dude to me.
huh. Wild
limber lion
Yeah, I was 100% certain as well that he was a she until 3 minutes ago
balmy condor
I mean, you'd think I would get it too considering I got an anime girl for a pfp
but it gets me sometimes too
bleak sedge
i just ran an m+ with no soulbind active... yikes
slow marsh
Can someone tell me how long the IQD stat buff lasts? Can't seem to find duration
balmy condor
20 sec iirc
pulsar sluice
what do you code simcraft in @fleet anchor
balmy condor
simcraft is c++
balmy condor
fleet anchor
Yes C++
slow marsh
So would pairing IQD with sheet music be troll or na? I now have some solid choices for trinks and dunno which pairing would be best. I feel like every time I sim them I get different results
I have 210 IQD, 213 sheet music, 213 skulker, 213 hate chain, and 220 stone legion
I feel like the 20 sec haste would be better than constant ~110 vers just as having on demand cds seems nice but idk
balmy condor
I personally wouldn't suggest sheet music
as getting the full benefit of it is actually quite rough
running a sim will tell you which order to cast double on use in
but 99% of the time, you'll use the IQD with cooldowns, and then the second one later
bleak sedge
u guys have any talent tips for torghast?
balmy condor
master poisoner, subt, mfd, leeching, iron wire, alac, ct
bleak sedge
thx
slow marsh
Yeah IQD on pull is super nice for sure. mostly just trying to determine if just sticking with stone legion is the play vs hate chain or sheet. Also I noticed that memory of past sins is getting used a ton...is that similar to stone legion where it's just super good the more people are using it or something? I dont seem to recall that showing as a dps increase on my droptimizer sim
balmy condor
it has a similar mechanic
but its also just a good trinket
pretty sure a 220 stone legion and a 213 hateful are both better though
stoic needle
going on ilvl you'd probably be best off wwith stone legion and hateful chain
slow marsh
as getting the full benefit of it is actually quite rough
could you expand on this one? I used it a couple times last night and it seemed fine. I couldn't even see the dancers but i just ran around in circles for a second and got the 4 stacks
stoic needle
try doing that on sludgefist, or denathrius when the adds are dying, or zymox when a dancer is in a beam or a trap
balmy condor
the buff refreshes when you hit them btw
stoic needle
the sim assumes you get all of the dancers, and if you don't get all of the dancers it's worse than all of the other trinkets
slow marsh
uhhh....
slow marsh
So it's actually more than 20sec
slow marsh
It's 20 sec base but if it refreshes
slow marsh
yes
balmy condor
oh
yes
so from what I remember (I haven't actually seen someone use it, it's quite uncommon)
viscid coral
Hi, i just joined the discord, somebody knows if venthir is better than night fae with the new changes?
balmy condor
Hi, i just joined the discord, somebody knows if venthir is better than night fa...
pins, they're close, with the conduit being overtuned, it's better
sheet music is:
- 20 seconds
- hitting a dancer refreshes the 20 seconds
- the dancers last for 5 seconds
- each dancer gives a fourth of the total buff
viscid coral
I'm rly tired of being night fae tbh
slow marsh
So in theory you should get 35-40 secs of haste on a 1.5 min cd
stoic needle
in theory sheet music isn't bad, in practice it's a whole lot of effort that might get you killed with all of the near instakill mechanics flying around
slow marsh
They don't spawn any farther away than pelegos combat med
balmy condor
So in theory you should get 35-40 secs of haste on a 1.5 min cd
you should get 25 seconds
stoic needle
pelagos combat med isn't that great either
but at least it gives you something baseline if you can't get all of the orbs
stoic needle
if sheet music gave like 2x the haste it did currently it might be worth it, but as it is now it's a lot of effort for not a preportionate reward
balmy condor
it can just fuck you over
if it sims like 15 dps higher or whatever
I wouldn't use it
stoic needle
why bother when you have 3 other trinkets that are just as good
balmy condor
yeah
slow marsh
yeah that's where i'm at. my trinks are like all super close
balmy condor
you got some good trinkets aside from that
so I would personally take hateful or slg
stoic needle
i run sins/slg now so i can't complain
slow marsh
with IQD?
balmy condor
ye
stoic needle
the phial still haunts me 
pulsar sluice
im glad i have a phial early in to the tier lol
stoic needle
226?
pulsar sluice
Naw 220, been slacking on mythics
stoic needle
you're gonna have to refarm one just like me when they inevitably upgrade the valor ilvl cap
pulsar sluice
yeah by then ill have 15+s and shit
I just havent gotten around to it
I took a small detour to get 1800 in rbgs for some vers haste 220s
limber lion
I like Dreadfire. You just press it and it does damage. Very Pog.
split veldt
alright who has a good plater profile for me
balmy condor
feral merlin
Gilroy-Bold font on everything
balmy condor
mine are on there
stoic needle
But I’m not sin. Only gave idle gear waiting for our time
alright man here's the WAs. https://wago.io/2oeqF_DZO the one in the pictures is a combo of the SND, Buffs and Debuffs weakauras, and the plater profile. you'll also have to enable the PRD or "personal bar" in Plater to get it to look the same as the image
gilroy bold is BIS font
split veldt
mine are on there
ty
sleek otter
so is Venthyr with doomblade looking like bis atm?
I swear if I have to level another convenant :((((((((
balmy condor
yeah venthyr with dashing seems to be bis
doomblade is bugged in game to be underperforming a little
if that gets fixed it's back to doomblade
they're both good options
just kinda pick what you'd like
sleek otter
damn, guess Im going venthyr now. if its bis in pve then itd prob do good in pvp 2
doomblade is bis in pvp atm so actually pretty dope
split veldt
@balmy condor whats this green bar? i know shiv shows up there too, but cant figure out what this is lol, also why does my other trinket show up on the right when it's no on use?
balmy condor
envenom
balmy condor
the trinket on the right is just the second trinket
I have it in case I have double on use
also I haven't been venthyr or necrolord
which is why that slot next to vanish is missing
pliant apex
any advice on parsing well on council heroic? its just too unorganized
split veldt
balmy condor
but shouldn't be too bad
you can copy paste the vendetta one
and just change the trigger to the covenant ability
and that'll probably work a-o-k
limber lion
any advice on parsing well on council heroic? its just too unorganized
Go through logs and look where people are using Vendetta. Misusing your cooldowns on that fight is a huge problem for some people.
split veldt
oh just realized sepsis isnt on ther eeither
balmy condor
oh just realized sepsis isnt on ther eeither
that should be weird
let me log in real quick and check
split veldt
limber lion
Also most top parses are doing FSN which accounts to the most amount of adds available in p2 and p3. There's some logs for other rotations as well (like my rank 3 doing SNF) but the optimal setup is FSN.
NSF is the worst if you're just looking to parse, however it's the most played rotation because it's also the easiest to execute with pugs. Finding a group that does a good rotation (for parsing) can be hard.
I wouldn't get too discouraged if you don't parse too great doing NSF. It's a shit fight.
@pliant apex
proud ore
alright man here's the WAs. https://wago.io/2oeqF_DZO the one in the pictures is...
Thanks
bleak sedge
should i craft zoldyck lvl 4 or wait and maybe craft doomblade?
limber lion
should i craft zoldyck lvl 4 or wait and maybe craft doomblade?
Craft it. It's still the best overall legendary.
Doomblade is only bis in pure ST.
wet heron
we dont use exsanguinate even on sludge first right?
balmy condor
we dont use exsanguinate even on sludge first right?
exsang is the worst talent in that row, yes
wet heron
ty, even if that makes me very sad
pulsar sluice
is there no one set up for all for raids
I was peeping wcl and it seems different in cleave fights
kinda lame imma have to carry tomes now haha
limber lion
You can just run Blindside/Subterfuge/Vigor/Alacrity/Poison Bomb on every boss
Master Assa sims better in pure ST but it's not a night and day difference.
pulsar sluice
yeah ill prob just have to play with some sims
slow marsh
i think if you are NF its bigger
pulsar sluice
whys that @slow marsh
slow marsh
but not sure. mikihasa was talking about it but dont remember if it was for ST or for m+
Because you can Sepsis from stealth with MA and get huge ticks
limber lion
Yes, it sims higher when you allign Sepsis with Vendetta.
Vanish also lines up much better with Master Assa.
slow marsh
sepsis vanish vendetta
pulsar sluice
i could see myself doing that for like sludge
slow marsh
not sure if its huge like 100 dps but i think its huge like 30-40dps
pulsar sluice
you going for big enevenoms?
limber lion
As you can see on the damage graph, it's pretty Pog.
Maximizing damage done during the 100% damage window and 4s Master Assa window with the legendary.
pulsar sluice
everytime i see elaborate with ns i think big envenom
limber lion
Yes. 3 Envenoms + Dreadfire during Master Assa window
Around 400k damage burst in 7 seconds.
rigid wyvern
Whats the current consensus on soulbind for NF M+
limber lion
It's really fun to play. You literally see yourself shoot up in Details.
slow marsh
Whats the current consensus on soulbind for NF M+
Kora
limber lion
Whats the current consensus on soulbind for NF M+
Korayn with First Strike for M+
slow marsh
You can herbs if you're using MA leggo
limber lion
You can herbs if you're using MA leggo
But you shouldn't use MA lego if you can avoid it.
rigid wyvern
are you snapshotting CT on opener or something?
limber lion
Max stacked Hidden Blades from stealth
stoic needle
You go EP NS poison Katar HB
slow marsh
an do 40k dps for one second
limber lion
Big burst
pulsar sluice
I believe in the MA NS HB build <:prayge:803711491021733888>
i play it in pvp, big envenom is fun
limber lion
i play it in pvp, big envenom is fun
I hope you don't play Hidden Blades in PvP
stoic needle
It's probably good for epic BGS
slow marsh
...
stoic needle
Poison bomb doesn't do a ton in pvp anyway
slow marsh
Its not lol
rigid wyvern
aight im trying this hidden blades cheese this sounds hilarious
pulsar sluice
no why would i play hidden blades
slow marsh
You want to kidney someone in a poison bomb and burst then with envenom mfd envenom
limber lion
no why would i play hidden blades
... That was the build you were replying to. MA NS HB = Master Assa, Nightstalker, Hidden Blades
stoic needle
You want to kidney someone in a poison bomb and burst then with envenom mfd enve...
I'm not gonna lie hb would probably do more damage than pb there
slow marsh
Yes its a meme build we are working on for M+ that @balmy condor came up with
I mean sure but
If you want to burst just play sub
stoic needle
rigid wyvern
is it M4D or vigor for the meme build?
stoic needle
Yeah I know. I specifically said epic bgs because they're a meme
Meme builds for meme bgs
pulsar sluice
you dont need subterfuge to silence tho
rigid wyvern
you need subterfuge to cheap shot 3 people
slow marsh
Though i'm sure if you were up against a poorly geared group you could scare them pretty good with a fatty HB from stealth
pulsar sluice
thats a waste of energy on sin
wide ridge
how should my opener look like with MA talent + sepsis? using zoldyck as leggo
cause my sim is looking weird
slow marsh
You wnat subt for cheap into strong garrote
wide ridge
it's telling me to sespis out of stealth>mut>snd>garrote>shiv>rupture>vendetta>vanish...
stoic needle
it's telling me to sespis out of stealth>mut>snd>garrote>shiv>rupture>vendetta>v...
That is valid
slow marsh
yep that's right
stoic needle
Openers don't really matter is the main takeaway
Any min maxing you do for them is less than 10 dps
rigid wyvern
so what happens in this hidden blades build after you hit hidden blades lol
slow marsh
You want to get buffs up asap then you can pandemic them
rupture and snd both give you energy regen right now so you just want them up even if its 2cp
limber lion
2cp rupture?
Nah
slow marsh
but with MA it should be 4
limber lion
Muti > Snd > Muti > GARROTE > Rupture if 4-5 cp, Muti if 3 > Rupture if you didn't before > Sepsis > Shiv > Muti > Vanish > Envenom > Muti > Envenom
Vendetta after Rupture
wide ridge
hm
pliant apex
talk amongst some top players on frostmourne, next tier sin can be top spec
sound believable?
rigid wyvern
I would argue the point stands that you still 2cp snd in that opener
slow marsh
sound believable?
no
pliant apex
Muti > Snd > Muti > GARROTE > Rupture if 4-5 cp, Muti if 3 > Rupture if you didn...
wait whisp said you just rupture , no matte how many cp on pull
pliant apex
mut-sd-mut-garrote-rupture, always
stoic needle
We do big dam now
raw dagger
Does Subterfuge buff a garrote if you use it with Sepsis?
stoic needle
No
slow marsh
Does Subterfuge buff a garrote if you use it with Sepsis?
no
slow marsh
Idk I could see it
I mean.... if we get more help from BP
limber lion
mut-sd-mut-garrote-rupture, always
True, that would be optimal. Derped on the rotation and even forgot garrote when I was writing it. Time to sleep
raw dagger
rip, thanks tho
slow marsh
But as it stands outlaw is just better because of its overall power in ST
stoic needle
I mean.... if we get more help from BP
Even without more bp we will be one of the highest dps melee, with an execute
We will be higher st dps than outlaw though even with zoldyck
slow marsh
If you have something that does equal ST but also cleaves up to 6 for free it will be better
So really it depends on the fights next tier and what other help we get
slow marsh
If there's more ST fights and/or any hard dps check then yeah probably we will be best spec
But not by very much me thinks
stoic needle
I feel like ranged classes like boomkin and mage do enough aoe damage overall that you can sacrifice the aoe loss for the consistency and execute of sin
Especially considering a lot of the aoe this tier is kinda padding...
limber lion
Assa is a really good progression spec because it doesn't suffer from downtime as much as Sub/Outlaw.
slow marsh
Well of course it's padding
slow marsh
yep
but that's not so much 'best spec' that's just ease of use
Outlaw potential would still be higher with player skill
balmy condor
@rigid wyvern lemme know how the meme works
stoic needle
I'd say those things are correlated
Why play harder for higher output that isn't really required
When you could use that brain power to not get hit with ravage
It's why no one plays feral
Even though it absolutely pumps
limber lion
Outlaw potential would still be higher with player skill
Why would it's potential be higher if they do equal damage?
slow marsh
Cleave
limber lion
In a world where all 3 specs do equal damage in sims, Assa wins.
slow marsh
and rtb
limber lion
Rtb is not skill related whatsoever
slow marsh
in and of itself that ability creates such high peaks and low valleys
its not
rng
but still
limber lion
You said potential is higher with player skill
stoic needle
But again, if that cleave isn't really needed to down the bosses, why bother?
rigid wyvern
@balmy condor do i go M4D or Vigor for the meme build, want to make sure i got it right
limber lion
It's just a matter of what the fight is like and whether or not the RNG gods bless you.
slow marsh
yeah
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> do i go M4D or Vigor for the meme build, want to make sur...
I would play vigor, but mfd probably fine
stoic needle
The other thing is that there a bunch of people who just really don't like playing outlaw for whatever reason
For that alone I think sin will become more popular
slow marsh
Idk as much as I love sin and am bent on taking it to the moon 🚀 🌕 i'm not gonna get all hyped about sCaLiNg
limber lion
I didn't enjoy it in BFA whatsoever. I do like the current iteration of it. It's not assa, but it's pretty decent.
stoic needle
I have faith that the next BP system is going to be absolutely cracked out
limber lion
Idk as much as I love sin and am bent on taking it to the moon 🚀 🌕 i'm not go...
Don't worry, none of us are. Scaling is not a thing.
rigid wyvern
my 235 MA leggo is ready for this moment
limber lion
my 235 MA leggo is ready for this moment
#jelly
I wish I hadn't put Torghast aside. Just last week I got 235 Zoldy's. 190 MA in the bag and a Doomblade yet to craft. Oh boy.
balmy condor
my 235 MA leggo is ready for this moment
Make my meme come true
rigid wyvern
Will do. Ya I got 235 Zold, 235 MA, 225 Doomblade
balmy condor
my 235 MA leggo is ready for this moment
Oh in case you didn’t see the rest of it, the full idea: 21-1/3-xx22 + MA katar herb/zold katar fs
limber lion
I was baited into creating a 235 Finality and 190 Celerity. :''(
Wish I could sell my good-for-nothing-Finality and get a Doomblade instead. Oh well. I guess it's only 9 Torghast runs for a 235.
stoic needle
I'm glad that I've dragged myself through torghast every week
I just wish I didn't waste ash on celerity
stoic needle
Collection of trash 
feral merlin
Wish I could sell my good-for-nothing-Finality and get a Doomblade instead. Oh w...
Its like 40 minutes a week, itsnot that bad 
faint harness
you'd also be sad if you craft doomblade now and they dont fix the bug
pulsar sluice
Pull the ripcord
stoic needle
Too late
limber lion
Its like 40 minutes a week, itsnot that bad <:peepoguns:585733947732787211>
Yeah, true. It's just that it's gated weekly lockouts. I want a 235 MA now and a 235 Doomblade when the patch drops but gotta save the soul ash for now.
stoic needle
I'm thinking duskwalkers after I max doomblade
balmy condor
If they don’t fix doomblade by 9.0.5
pulsar sluice
the only craft i regret is akaaris
balmy condor
I’m crafting dashing
And then crafting dusk
If they fix, I’m crafting doom, and then dusk
faint harness
the only craft i regret is akaaris
akaari is my next craft unless something happens with deathly sims
we just had a 30 min random ptr testing with deathly and found 20 dps
so its possible theres more to get
rigid wyvern
whats the doom bug?
faint harness
the dot part is affected by armor
bleak sedge
I wish our best Legendary wouldn't be zoldyck :(
balmy condor
the dot part is affected by armor
Did they confirm that finally?
stoic needle
Why?
faint harness
Did they confirm that finally?
oh uhm
confirm idk
but the dot can be parried
so i assume its some bug with it being physical
bleak sedge
Because zoldyck feels shit in fights like sludge. Even though it feels great on denathrius to be fair
balmy condor
but the dot can be parried
Yeah I haven’t looked too much into it, will have to read up on the bug
All my knowledge on the subject is miki posting some number salad and koji responding with “that’s not how that works”
stoic needle
Because zoldyck feels shit in fights like sludge. Even though it feels great on ...
Well we will have some viable options next patch at least
faint harness
!bugs
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue
stoic needle
It did suck when zoldyck was nearly the same dps as the rest
bleak sedge
Finality on assa would be cool i think
faint harness
why 
balmy condor
Isn’t that zoldyck though
And you realize that the rupture buff from finality works on sin?
bleak sedge
Yes but having it work across the whole fight instead of below 30% would be cooler imo
Yes but for rupture only that's not worth it no? We would need CT and Envenom aswell which wont happen because ct is a talent
faint harness
having a doom-gun legendary that oneshots any boss would also be cool
faint harness
Yes but for rupture only that's not worth it no? We would need CT and Envenom as...
it wont happen because its a sub legendary
keep your hands off sub legendaries, fucking fiends
already stolen deathly
thats enough
bleak sedge
I have akaaris lol
faint harness
i guess you want it to work on mutilate too huh
bleak sedge
Make it work on auto attacks 
balmy condor
stoic needle
Finality would be cool as a neutral legendary
bleak sedge
Can't wait for not having to worry about snd anymore
stoic needle
Get that dumb tiny toxic blade shit outta here
stoic needle
No it's a joke
bleak sedge
Wasn't there something in legion that made the second night blade deal mpre dmg on sub? I want that for ma bleeds
balmy condor
Wasn't there something in legion that made the second night blade deal mpre dmg ...
Yea, it was literally called finality: nightblade
faint harness
its called finality: rupture now
balmy condor
Finality is a copy paste of the legion effect
bleak sedge
Well stick to stuff that was good i guess
faint harness
its painfully average rn
sub lack a good legendary
so idk if finality is sticking to whats good
bleak sedge
But its probably a pain to play if i think about it. Letting that shit run out and not refreshing in pandemic window every second use.
balmy condor
Some other legion effects as current legendaries:
Zoldyck - zoldyck
Dusk walker - duskwalker
Akaari - akaari
Blunderbuss, greenskin, master assassin
bleak sedge
I remember zoldyck aswell
balmy condor
Guile is from a passive of the same name from old combat before it was outlaw
balmy condor
Bloodfang was a thing as well I think?
bleak sedge
If i remember correct i actually played zoldyck back then
balmy condor
I don’t remember all the trash ones
bleak sedge
I forgot which sub legendary i used lol. I think i used the shoulders
bleak sedge
I used mantle i think. Which is now in the game aswell. Jesus Blizzard
faint harness
deathly shadows is a tier set
balmy condor
I used mantle i think. Which is now in the game aswell. Jesus Blizzard
Well yes but that was MANTLE of the master assassin, this one is MARK of the master assassin
balmy condor
deathly shadows is a tier set
that’s what it was, bloodfang was a sin tier set I think
balmy condor
Doomblade was a sin tier set as well
bleak sedge
Legion Tier set with the pirate look was great. Forgot what it did but it was great
stoic needle
Dashing scoundrel?
balmy condor
Was Invigorating a Tier?
balmy condor
Dashing scoundrel?
Also a tier set
stoic needle
Yeah that's the one ashankura was talking about
bleak sedge
Was fun af
stoic needle
I would love to have agonizing poison
strange python
hated agonizing poison
balmy condor
I would love to have agonizing poison
No you wouldn’t
faint harness
why would you want that shit
stoic needle
Yes I would
balmy condor
Don’t lie to yourself
faint harness
pun intended
strange python
it was horrible
faint harness
i didnt play rogue during it, but i remember our rogues having to sit 1 target permanently
strange python
and boring
faint harness
because dropping stacks is a yuge dps loss
balmy condor
Agonizing poison was quite possibly the worst addition they’ve ever made to sin
faint harness
and imagine swapping to a target without agonizing
balmy condor
Which is probably why it got replaced halfway through the expansion
faint harness
ye just bad design
balmy condor
strange python
i trolled with alacrity at the end of NH
stoic needle
I guess I just like the idea of stacking damage
faint harness
I guess I just like the idea of stacking damage
12 second debuff
4x5% dmg taken increase
balmy condor
4x5% dmg taken increase
And it was affected by mastery
faint harness
y
balmy condor
I vaguely remember looking at the buff at max stacks
And it was like “your damage to the target is increased by 87%”
Fucking dumb
faint harness
And it was like “your damage to the target is increased by 87%”
they replaced this with 51% aura dmg increase instead
wide ridge
how long does ti take sludge to charge into 1st pillar?
strange python
1 min
wide ridge
exactly 1min?
wide ridge
k
radiant fossil
Guys, i want to reroll and be ready for 9.0.5 with stuff and skill gameplay wise. I'm torned between Rogue and War. Do you think rogue is a good bet for the rest of the expansion or if it's not up like crazy it will be meh.
balmy condor
War has a raid buff and a raid cd, rogue has neither
If you’re looking for m+, you’ll probably want to rogue over a warrior
But unless rogues are strong and warriors arent, you would play a warrior over a rogue
In raids
radiant fossil
Ho yeah i should have precised that im in a guild with mythic progression. But i do m+ too. Like 50/50 i'd say. I like rogue more than warrior but i dont want to be a problem for my guild if my class is "useless"
stoic needle
Rogues being good is reliant on us getting some boosts from borrowed power
balmy condor
I don’t think you’d be useless
stoic needle
Well not good, top tier
balmy condor
But warrior can just hit shout and cry and have impact
Our impact is big boy boss dam
stoic needle
We bring some useful niche stuff that makes us worth bringing, it's just a matter of convincing your raid team that you're actually useful which can be easy or hard depending on what they're like
Depends on how much they blindly look at tier lists or if they understand what's useful in practice
radiant fossil
They are kinda following the meta. Like a lot of unholy dk, hunts, warlocks. We have an outlaw rogue atm tho. So i guess they arent so picky after all. But we also have a war too. Maybe 2 rogues or 2 wars is kinda the same.
stoic needle
If they can be convinced by sims and will listen to logic you should be okay. But if they're like "WELL ASSASSINATION ROGUES ARE F TIER RIGHT NOW NO WAY" that'll be rough
limber lion
Dps?
balmy condor
That breakdown makes me very not happy
balmy condor
Sad
rigid wyvern
cause it was my first attempt
stoic needle
They are kinda following the meta. Like a lot of unholy dk, hunts, warlocks. We ...
When 9.0.5 gets closer to release, show them some of the sims of the specs compared. Assassination is simming higher than outlaw on single target, but is slightly worse in aoe. However you bring an execute which is really powerful for progression. In 9.0.5 assasination rogues will be the highest dps melee and among the highest dps in the game in the execute phase which is usually the most dangerous part of a boss fight which is really valuable for progress. Rogues may not have a ton of good utility, but they have good defensives and reduce the load on healers. Also assasination suffers less from downtime and is more forgiving than other specs, simming high usually means you will do a lot of damage compared to other specs. Overall assasination is a really flexible spec that's good for progression
If you explain that to them and show them the sims I'd be surprised if they say no
feral merlin
All it takes is one or two tier videos
radiant fossil
Assuming the changes for 9.0.5 stay the same for assa rogue. I'll bring what you wrote to me in case they ask me why i should play rogue instead of my hunter 
drifting cosmos
Lot of chain pulling?
balmy condor
Lot of chain pulling?
He’s playing my meme build
drifting cosmos
Oh MFD into ct with ns Hb?
balmy condor
Well the fok damage is kinda big enough, HB + katar is actually not far behind CT in dungeonslice, but nightstalker is just mega troll
It came up as a question about SLG that me and push were talking about
How would sin do burst aoe
And that’s the solution we came up with
drifting cosmos
I thought you'd want NS, and plus ma legendary but then it's prob better when you have higher base crit + first strike
sin burst aoe is a dream
balmy condor
Well first strike would do nothing you already have ma
But you’re losing a ton of damage going ns over subt
split veldt
how do i track a healthstone in WA, it keeps telling me wrong id name
drifting cosmos
Ah that ggg
split veldt
balmy condor
Try Id 5512
balmy condor
Do you have healthstones in your inventory?
split veldt
not atm
balmy condor
That’s why it didn’t work
split veldt
oh lol, makes sense
balmy condor
Have to hard force with ID when you don’t have something
split veldt
i switched it up a little and somehow i moved the red cp and cant figure out how to get it back and it's triggering me lmao
drifting cosmos
In the position numbers? Y axis should line up with others
stoic needle
Assuming the changes for 9.0.5 stay the same for assa rogue. I'll bring what you...
Just whine about how bad wild spirits nerf is
split veldt
phew, all better
signal grove
That was giving me anxiety. Nothing worse than something out of line on my bars for me lol
split veldt
lol me too
hmm one last thing, how do i get sepsis to glow or something when the free ambush is available
slow marsh
Sad
I mean we knew it was gonna be not good dps though. The real question is how good was it for the one pull they had full stack fans for
signal grove
hmm one last thing, how do i get sepsis to glow or something when the free ambus...
Weak auras? I use the ones from luxthos and that usually works
stoic needle
yes we do, and it depends on if you have subterfuge or MA
with subterfuge you garotte, multiple times if its aoe. with MA you try to vanish with 5 cp already so you can envenom > mut > envenom
balmy condor
hmm one last thing, how do i get sepsis to glow or something when the free ambus...
Can add a trigger aura buff player, check for the name of the buff, then go to display, add a glow, turn it off by default, go to conditions and turn it on when that trigger is active
split veldt
knotty stream
is Kleia with pointed courage better or worse than Pelagos?
balmy condor
Sim it
wide bolt
do we not double cast garrote out of stealth on ST with Subt anymore?
on the intial opener
balmy condor
do we not double cast garrote out of stealth on ST with Subt anymore?
Oh god no
wide bolt
oof
havent played sin with subt since BoD lol
coulda sworn we did that back thgen probably cause of shrouded suff tho
balmy condor
Yep
frozen karma
What fight and how long tho
viral meadow
do we not double cast garrote out of stealth on ST with Subt anymore?
Coz we vanish+vendetta shortly after to pandemic
viral meadow
whom'st've'd'a'vs'ma'mv'd't the fuck
twas me but I replied to wrong line
balmy condor
oh I see
viral meadow
IT WAS I WHOMST'VE
sleek otter
@frozen karma It was Sludgefist and fight was 5.01
valid ruin
Picked venthyr from day 1, aint sad about it anymore 🙂
strange python
I'm swapping sin in 9.1 are there any leggos besides zoldyk I should have crafted before then
I already have the zoldyk done
stoic needle
Doomblade or dashing
lapis ice
does the necrolord bleed regenerate energy?
balmy condor
no
lapis ice
damn
balmy condor
would be crazy if it did
north basin
Funny thing i noticed what iam much closer to sim in real fights than outlaw, talking about deatroyer hc and sludge hc, did em with pugs for training purposes
With MA leg thou
stoic needle
that's what sin does best
primal zinc
btw guys
good morning 🙂
i found another reason for night fae rogue to switch to venthyr at the next patch
uneven plume
I heard the necro lord bleed is gonna be included with exsanguinate
balmy condor
that's a bug
uneven plume
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balmy condor
it works right now on ptr
you just keep exsanging it over and over
but that's cause of unintended jank code
gray fjord
Yeah I was messing with that on the PTR, it gets pretty silly if you can re-exsan the same target like 10 times
But definitely unintended.
What has bugged me for forever is why SBS can't crit.
Makes literally 0 sense, and I've reported it numerous times since beta.
stoic needle
I'm pretty sure that's on purpose. that's the point of the conduit, to give it a 'crit' chance
gray fjord
I mean, I understand the reasoning behind it. But like
What abilities can't crit in the game other than SBS
XD
It's seems really redundant to need a conduit to have a chance to do something your abilities naturally can.
And it's not even proportionate to the amount of crit chance other abilities can get.
Like the only move I can think of that 'can't' critically hit is Chaos bolt- Because it always critically hits when you use it, and its damage is increased based on your crit chance. (Unless something has changed)
Idk, I guess a ramble but I feel that if SBS could crit Necrolord would've been way more viable/popular overall.
kindred crescent
Yeah I was messing with that on the PTR, it gets pretty silly if you can re-exsa...
oh hi there pal
stoic needle
I fully agree with you that it's bad design. But what else is new with the rogue abilities?
grizzled owl
turbid frigate
I'm looking to make a sin rogue off spec but the sim seems to do some weird stuff. For starters haste enchants sim lower than vers enchants. Also the zoldyck legendary sims lower than MA which i currently have. This sim is the gear I have on now and the gear i could get for sin rogue: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wY1p46k9scJqCcXp9ChkZY
