assassination

[carmine dawn]

so sin does not snapshot? meaning zoldyk applies retroactively to poisons applied above 30%?

[icy crater]

no snapshotting

[coral imp]

that comp

nvm idk where im going

[frail fossil]

it's a waste of time

and it's mb for even starting it

[coral imp]

plus its

tyrannical

no one really wants to push this week

[frail fossil]

he didn't say he wanted to time 20s RIGHT NOW

like look in one month

everyone and their mother will time 20

[coral imp]

when everyones 224

LOL

atleast yea

[tropic ocean]

it doesnt change the perception or how pugging works in general

(and did so for 2 consecutive addons)

[trim zinc]

like u can always pug YOUR key and u dont have to be invited lmao

[coral imp]

^

[icy crater]

soo... assassination.. cool spec

[coral imp]

i love assassin in M+ 🙂

[trim zinc]

me 2

[icy crater]

does it still play the same as bfa sin

I haven't tried it yet in m+

[coral imp]

idk this is my first expac honestly

[hollow escarp]

very similar

[gusty mirage]

My fav moment of LFG, I listed my key and some dude whispered me "kick the melee and bring my friend" like dude I'm the melee and I have the key LUL

[trim zinc]

like u dont have garrote azerite anymore but ya similar

[coral imp]

i feel like you need a melee in keys..

[hollow escarp]

now you don't overcap combo points when garroting 3 targets

[trim zinc]

saaaad haha

[frail fossil]

kekw it's the same thing, i had a key with me and vaughn, and tank wanted to kick vaughn to get a mage in

we had a hunter

we both outdpsed him

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[frail fossil]

so apparently hunt was fine but dont u dare bring a superior player playing rogue

and also tanked scuffed the key

i'm like bro i should've kicked u

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that seems to be the case with people whining about group comp, was helping a rogue buddy of mine finish KSM. Mage complained "omg why do we have 2 rogues?" we both out DPS'd him and he ripped the key by messing up a boss mechanic

Like nice dude, thx

[tropic ocean]

it wont change

but also you can't know if a player is good or bad beforehand so you just pick what is the theoretical optimum which is usually rio+class/spec

[frail fossil]

idk i mostly pug low ish keys for vault but i mostly outdps any hunter or mage i see there, meta is stoopid let me time keys with 3 feral druid

[coral imp]

i have some buds that i do keys with we do brew > outlaw> sin> resto>affli

[trim zinc]

like a lot of players that just play "what is meta rn" they dont know what the hell they r doing with that class anyway

[coral imp]

timing keys just fine

[frail fossil]

legit i have yet to see

a good boomkin

[coral imp]

ive seen one

[icy crater]

same

not 1

[hollow escarp]

with double rogue you should never be afraid of casts going out

[trim zinc]

i have a friend that plays boomy since mop and hes hella happy rn lol

[gusty mirage]

dude I had a feral pug once and the tank wanted to boot him. I was like dude its a 14 who cares. Feral ended up pumping and actually saved the key numerous times. I got mad love for that dude

[icy crater]

legend

[hollow escarp]

I feel bad for frost mages

[gusty mirage]

seli just had one in an 18 carry that did very well

[hollow escarp]

I did invite a few mages for fire, they turned out to be frost

and guess what

[gusty mirage]

he was the carry too LUL

[hollow escarp]

we timed

[gusty mirage]

yeah frost is low key super nice

especially this week

gives you another soothe option 🙂

lets us run mind numbing instread of crippling

[hollow escarp]

well, bad players play any spec so if a bad player joins your group on a non-meta spec, you might have that idea about that spec forever

[trim zinc]

cant shiv to deal dmg;-;

[icy crater]

imagine holding shiv to dispell

instead of pressing it for damage

[hollow escarp]

well, you plan around it

like I call out the big boy in first pack on ToP

so I can prio target it

in HoA you never have to dispell if you use your stun/blind

DoS is a bit tricky but that;s manageable

[gusty mirage]

who says you have to hold it, raging lasts until the mob is dead or soothed 😛

[trim zinc]

so just kill the mob hahaha

[restive bluff]

i have ilvl226 skulker's wing and this week vault brought me ilvl220 dreadfire vessel.Do u suggest picking both on use trinkets?

[gusty mirage]

just free passive soothes shrug

[trim zinc]

id dont use 2 onuse

[hollow escarp]

I play both rn

226 skulker 220 vessel

[restive bluff]

my other trinket is decanter

226

[gusty mirage]

I swear I've never seen skulker's drop ever

[icy crater]

i've never seen a mythic one only heroic

[hollow escarp]

I hate it

[restive bluff]

it took me a while too

[gusty mirage]

I've only seen it on LFR on my monk alt

[hollow escarp]

I want phial so I can replace it

[restive bluff]

on our last mythic kill 2 of that trinekt dropped 😄

[gusty mirage]

I've seen 3 dreadfire's drop, got 0 of them

casters kept them "cuz they're huge" and no longer use them

so FEELS GREAT

[icy crater]

i got the first one

then left the guild

[gusty mirage]

lmao GOT EM

[twin prism]

Hey guys, im planning to use assassination only for a few fights

where it absolutely excels

Do you have any recommandations on what legendaries to use for these fights such

as artificer, sludgefist and so on

[gusty mirage]

Zoldyks

[twin prism]

Its that good huh?

[icy crater]

zoldycks is the reason why you'd play assa... lol

[gusty mirage]

yeah the execute dam is pretty big

[twin prism]

im glad assa is making kind of a comeback

[icy crater]

wait till 9.0.5

oxi are you playing assa rn?

[gusty mirage]

I'm tinkering with it in torghast still, trying to get a feel for it before I full send it

[icy crater]

I have a rank 1 doom blade and no zold, sadge

[gusty mirage]

I have like 2.5k soul ash and I'm just waiting lol

[twin prism]

@icy crater im still gonna try to use it in some fights

[icy crater]

yeah I got ash,

[twin prism]

Like artificer is just way better than outlaw

[icy crater]

I'm not progging on arti yet but will be next week

[gusty mirage]

sin might be the play for my guild on inerva

[icy crater]

So I'm not sure if execute is hard on that boss

[gusty mirage]

we're missing some real execute damage rn

[icy crater]

but logs say all 3 specs are close on arti

my guild killed inerva before sunking?

[twin prism]

I think like the logs are brought down

by like dogshit palyers

and they are more frequent on specs that are not mainsream

[gusty mirage]

Like me 😄

[twin prism]

ahhahahah anah man im sure youre fine

[manic harness]

If I told you I was a killer, would you believe me?

Then why don't you believe this man when he say he a dogshit player?

[gusty mirage]

Just got the green light from my RL to give assa a go tonight

WE'RE BACK BOYS

[icy crater]

o shit

on inerva?

[gusty mirage]

yeah it should help a lot

we've had so many sub 5% wipes

[icy crater]

niceee

time to hit the dummy for an hour xd

[gusty mirage]

plus I convinced him its better for artificer because I'll be running around like an idiot cuz of mechanics :3

[icy crater]

yeah prob

[gusty mirage]

Playing outlaw most of the expac has legitimately hurt my soul

[ornate lake]

Yeah assa is perfect for arti. I get to play it there too 😄

[twin prism]

yep... outlaw is better than it has ever been but

idk i dont like it as much as assa thats for sure

[gusty mirage]

time to sim which piece I'd put my zoldyk's on

[civic knot]

outlaw is boring af

[gusty mirage]

cuz I already have 220 haste/vers pants

[icy crater]

bis list said shoes

[twin prism]

well everyone is putting it in legs

[safe pendant]

Ain't this the truth

[icy crater]

I'll prob do shoes since I have nice pants

[gusty mirage]

that's what I was leaning to, but I have crit/vers boots and I feel like the extra haste would go a long way

[icy crater]

do you have pvp boots and legs

XD

[gusty mirage]

I have pvp boots LUL

[icy crater]

fucking same

[gusty mirage]

most of my gear is pvp gear 😦

[icy crater]

1100 vers club

LOL

[gusty mirage]

my m+ options have been "yo you want this haste/mastery gear? or 750 stygia"

[worn path]

stygia gang

[icy crater]

honestly I take vault pieces for pvp or off specs

[gusty mirage]

I try telling my guild that the vantus rune isn't as big for me because I'm at like 29% vers w/o a food buff lmao

[icy crater]

never took stygia

[gusty mirage]

I mean I still use it

cuz why not

but it isn't making or breaking my damage lmao

[icy crater]

oxi wanna see something interesting

[gusty mirage]

of course

[icy crater]

I had whispyr do sims for me for vers vs crit weighting

cuz i was swtching to sin for some fights from law and I had no crit

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3sL2ZSWibLdQjUBNkbAdeS

Look at the difference on secondaries

[gusty mirage]

hmmm

[icy crater]

its actually nothing

[gusty mirage]

makes sense

might just make pants then

because I have 226 boots already

oh I logged off in my pvp gear

rip

gotta wait to get home to sim it then 😦

[trim zinc]

mine 2

[tribal marlin]

after 9.0.5 you'll be abvle to grab some 220 rings from m+

like NW one's or ToP

ideally you want to have more and more of crit/haste but having some jewelry Crit Haste is probably already enough to keep up

[plain jewel]

for sin rogue in M+ should i run lethal poisons conduit or poisoned katar

[dark vigil]

lethal

[coral imp]

i think it can depend on the dungeon tho, sometimes i run poisoned katar in DOS for the big pulls

[dark vigil]

i still think you'd prefer to tun lp

tbh

[plain jewel]

also when to use envenom over crimson tempest in aoe

in big pull i usually keep spamming CT. is that the play

[coral imp]

i barely do

[balmy condor]

you maintain CT until 6-7 targets

[plain jewel]

so if less than 6, just apply the DoT and then envenom after

[coral imp]

*i do run lp in most dungeons

[balmy condor]

yeh just dot everything

[plain jewel]

worth rupturing every pack

or just enough for energy regen

[stoic needle]

If it moves, it bleeds

[coral imp]

yea i put ruptures on anything i can

[balmy condor]

just until 5-6 bleeds

usually don't need more

[stoic needle]

No, whispyr, if it moves, it bleeds

[wraith badge]

question, im already thinking it doesn't but would numbing poison work on bosses, prob not but just want to clearify, also would swapping to wound poison on hungering help?

[dark vigil]

dont use wound poison

[wraith badge]

not even during vaccum?

[stoic needle]

It's not worth the dps loss

[coral imp]

no

[wraith badge]

ok, and for the numbing poison?

[stoic needle]

And mind numbing doesn't work on bosses afaik

Imagine if it did, ez rogue utility

[dark vigil]

i just using crippling poison for everything unless theres some sort of enrage effect

that you can shiv

but that only applies in keys

[stoic needle]

Yep

[balmy condor]

numbing works on bosses

[wraith badge]

which bosses

[balmy condor]

all bosses

[wraith badge]

got proof?

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vbqQ7RB3GTa6yHYt#fight=4&type=damage-done&hostility=1&source=33&ability=1&start=1435236&end=1748627&view=events

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j6VkhDZBt7qadnzc#fight=11&type=damage-done&hostility=1&source=21&ability=1&target=4&view=events

Warlock CoW (which also works): #1 (id=279) : Apply Aura (6) | Modify Ranged and Melee Attack Speed% (342) Base Value: -20 | Scaled Value: -20 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Misc Value: 1 | Target: Enemy (6)

Numbing: #1 (id=2042) : Apply Aura (6) | Modify Casting Speed (216) Base Value: -15 | Scaled Value: -15 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Target: Enemy (6) #2 (id=806027) : Apply Aura (6) | Attack Speed (9) Base Value: -15 | Scaled Value: -15 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Target: Enemy (6)

no inherent reason to not work, and the logs show a swing time difference

[wraith badge]

wounder how much more running Master poisoner would affect that

[balmy condor]

not enough to make you want to run it

just run with a warlock, their effect is stronger anyway

[wraith badge]

but running numbing over crippling seems like more worth, probably not worth running MP over blindside but still might be boss to boss

[celest ruin]

is there a list of t26 sims for ptr with diff legendaries?

[balmy condor]

I posted some a couple days back, search for something like uh from:whispyr in:assassination has:image or has:link

shouldn't be hard to find

[celest ruin]

jesus christ you sent 65k total messages in this channel

[balmy condor]

Since crippling doesn't work on bosses, I would suggest only ever really running numbing in raids unless you need to slow some adds

[balmy condor]

112k total on the server, 65k in sin

seems reasonable

I did some rough math

if I keep on the current rates

I'll catchup to foreverguy by the end of the year

[wraith badge]

grats

[distant cypress]

all of these messages...but where is your pawn string?

[dark vigil]

pawn

[distant cypress]

[balmy condor]

only avail to people who have gift 5 subs

(obviously a joke pls no flame, all my UI and stuff is public)

[distant cypress]

twitch prime ?

[stoic needle]

Smh why aren't you cashing in on that cf clout

OFFICIAL ROGUE COMMUNITY FIGURE WEAKAURA PACK FOR SUBS ONLY

[balmy condor]

cause immoral to the entire reason I became a cf in the first place

[stoic needle]

Counterpoint:

[balmy condor]

nah

I like helping people -> helping people means I need to know more things about my class -> knowing more things makes me feel better about my character -> more knowledge to help more people -> more people helped is more liking helping people

the loop closes

[safe pendant]

Even the pepegas?

[twin prism]

thats an interesting perspective

[balmy condor]

if pepega's want the help, then it's okay

[dark marten]

what's pepegas?

[balmy condor]

that emote

it's usually a synonym of "dumbass"

in context

[dark marten]

yeah but what individuals are coined like that

ahh ok

[wraith badge]

whats pog?

[dark marten]

play of the game

[slender urchin]

Controversial opinion: I enjoy all the different rogue specs for different reasons, but I’m looking forward to Sin for 905 because I haven’t had the opportunity to play it all expac. Thanks to all those who have spent so much time theory crafting so I can parse

[balmy condor]

this emote, it's a form of excitement

[shy dust]

All expac the horror

Despite there being a niche to play sin in this tier already

[slender urchin]

I’ve been in Sin spec for a total of 5 in game minutes, tops.

[wraith badge]

Thanks Vice keep in mind the 1% numbing poison effect

[slender urchin]

This expac*

[safe pendant]

But sludgefist for sub POG

[slender urchin]

We are at M Council. Almost certainly getting it tonight.

[limber lion]

Go get em tiger

[gloomy fern]

i legit have never gotten parried as much as on sin

[lethal notch]

what's the most well rounded covenant (in 9.0.5 since I know there were some changes) for all types of gameplay. I really want to make a sin rogue my potential main when the patch drops

[balmy condor]

venthyr fae and kyrian are all fairly comparable

[slender urchin]

Night fae is well rounded

[balmy condor]

the main difference honestly being pvp

but even then

kinda debatable

[lethal notch]

i do plan on pvping

im used to monk where its kyrian or nothing haha

[balmy condor]

people usually run fae in pvp for the soulshape mobility, or kyrian for the pot

venthyr has some burst potential in .5 tho

[lethal notch]

hmm lots to think about, thanks!

[fleet whale]

can't wait for the clickbait venthyr rogue burst videos coming soon!

[stoic needle]

[ancient sonnet]

anyone ever have frieda just not go up at 50%?

[balmy condor]

Nop

[ancient sonnet]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/928245629 just happened to us

[stoic needle]

!sl

[prisma monolith]

Shadowlands live since: 94 days 22 hours 51 minutes 5 seconds

[stoic needle]

94 days and last boss of spires is still bugged to just say 'nah fam' to the spears sometimes

[digital stone]

so im leveling rogue and assassination is gonna be my new main. but i cant decide on what covenant to go. in the pin section night fae is the best. but is that pve or pvp or just overall the best?

[balmy condor]

Spec channels mostly handle in PvE, and the pins reflect such

In 9.0.5, venthyr looks roughly equal to fae in pve

How that’ll end up in pvp we don’t know

But the tldr is fae venthyr and kyrian are very very close

And necro is slightly behind, but also still close

3% difference between all 4 covenants is really not that bad

[digital stone]

oh ok. im new to wow and covenant choosing is hard for me lol

[mighty owl]

Super weird question, but do the assassination poison/shiv conduits do anything in the other specs? Or do they not do anything?

[balmy condor]

Unsure, but they would be utter garbage for the other specs so it’s not worth considering

CTO works on sin for example

But it’s not good

[mighty owl]

Right I didn’t expect it to be but was curious

[soft shale]

cto does not work on sin or sub sadly you need a buff from roll the bones already

[balmy condor]

[soft shale]

i tried to make slaughter work on beta XD

[balmy condor]

Then why does cto give buffs on sin

[soft shale]

that is illegal then

oh wait ambush works i guess

[grave cove]

Yeah you def get buffs from CTO as sin

[sand ridge]

should i not be using subterfuge and master assassin one sin? like a combonation of both

[balmy condor]

If you’re using the legendary, you would go subterfuge

[hollow escarp]

66% parse on rank 51

we need more sin rogues to play the game

[fleet whale]

there will be more in 9.0.5

[hollow escarp]

[fleet whale]

and even now more people are playing sin, albeit slowly

it went from being NYA sub levels of underplayed

[hollow escarp]

yeah, slowly we can see more people on mythic

[fleet whale]

to being more played than other underplayed specs like arcane, demo, and surv

and really, the barrier preventing people to swap

is no sin leggos likely

It's interesting to see sub's popularity tank in pve from SL launch til now

[sand ridge]

@balmy condor thanks 🙂

[faint harness]

ye but its still 3x amount of subs compared to assa in heroic

[fleet whale]

sub will likely still have overall more players for the history of Nathria even after 9.0.5 hits compared to sin

[hollow escarp]

hard to tell

[celest ruin]

dumb question

whats sbs and wps

[fleet whale]

serrated bone spike

and well placed steel

[celest ruin]

aah, thanks

[faint harness]

i mean its in the last week

@fleet whale subs deeeeead

[celest ruin]

didnt they say they were planning to add a feature in logs to disregard PI added damage

[faint harness]

i hope

[fleet whale]

that seems like it would kind of an annoying thing to do though

unless if you just invalidate the person with PI's log

[hollow escarp]

well, people already disregard when they see rank 1 with PI

and the most BM thing is to get rank 1 without PI

not the most, but still funny

[shy dust]

[bright turret]

On that pin that shows doomblade at 6639 DPS, what would Zold be under those conditions?

[balmy condor]

great question

[bright turret]

Am I missing something obvious and that is sarcasm, or ?

[balmy condor]

no it's just genuinely a great question

[bright turret]

curious if its a gain and ass is going to be the ST path over Sub if things remain the same on ptr

[balmy condor]

oh that's for sure

but doomblade is higher than zold

by around 3%

[fleet whale]

your choice of Doomblade vs Zold will depend on the fight

[bright turret]

dang, that's pretty big

[balmy condor]

I just have no clue where it is on that chart specifically

[bright turret]

so looking at 5%+ huh

[fleet whale]

sludge for example

i would go Doomblade like always

but for sire, i would run zold

[balmy condor]

there's some sims that i linked in the most recent pin

those are probably your best bet

oh the link's broken

lul

hold on

there

that should work

[fleet whale]

and it's shoulders/gloves for doomblade right

[balmy condor]

yes

[fleet whale]

well i'm def running shoulders then when/if i make them lol

[coral imp]

does mutilate bleed give energy back

[fleet whale]

no

[coral imp]

with doomblade

kk

[fleet whale]

would be busted if it did

[stoic needle]

I'm a dumbass and went gloves

[lyric dirge]

!bis

[dark vigil]

nop

no longer

[stoic needle]

Bis list ded

BIS LIST IS KILL

@vestal wren can we get moroes to post emote when anyone types !bis in this channel or in outlaw

[lyric dirge]

eh

[soft shale]

bis list made more problems than answers for the uneducated

[lyric dirge]

understandable

Just wanted to take a look at trinkets tbh

Ill just sim stuff and see whats what

[soft shale]

for bis you want dreadfire+stone legion if group stack or phial/skulker/sins if more than 3

honorable mention to 226 device that makes some giga burst

[stoic needle]

IQD is also good

[lyric dirge]

Thanks boys

[frozen karma]

what's the difference between the pinned sims and the ones in TC btw

there's quite a difference in numbers

[balmy condor]

different profiles

and I'm not using the flag conduit

[frozen karma]

so flag conduit is pretty strong

[balmy condor]

yes

[frozen karma]

📈

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

don't make me change my pfp

[stoic needle]

Can't wait to see what busted borrowed power they add in 9.1 or 9.2

[stoic needle]

Imagine not being gang

[hollow escarp]

night elf main, gotta take care of the kaldorei souls

[gentle gyro]

i like my tree, tyvm

bad enough i have to run around vampires on my priest

you know, that class with holy light burning the undead and all

[stone haven]

Which venthyr soulbind is simming best in 9.05

[balmy condor]

the same as usual

theotar in dungeons, nadjia in single target

hasn't changed

[stone haven]

Thanks! I've been super busy with work haven't looked into anything

[balmy condor]

ye

remember that you can sim yourself through top gear as well

[stoic needle]

is it time

for my daily thrill seeker soapbox

[balmy condor]

won't have the PTR stuff, but it doesn't change much

[grizzled owl]

So

we were talking about my sims outlaw vs assa the opther day

I got lucky on got the 220 weapon from sire HC tonight

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eNgr9YSWmBuXBCnL5Pm4Wb

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vN7bybcS2Qi6sSSp7QbUod

[trim zinc]

gratz

[grizzled owl]

only 200 dps between sin and outlaw and I haven't zoldyck

will definitivly be stronger if sin PTR's modification goes live, going venthyr + sin + doomblade

what a FUCKING great news

[slender trail]

also consider spec damage profile (burst vs sustain) and fight duration (short vs long). i bet if you simmed a 2 or 3 minute fight (say, shriekwing), your assassination set will already out dps your outlaw one.

[grizzled owl]

true

outlaw is all about sustained dps

[slender trail]

but ofc very few fights that matter are 2-3 minute single targets. just another data point.

[fleet anchor]

Being Venthyr requires spending time in the literal dumpster fire zone of Revendreth so that’s gonna be a hard pass for me. 😄

[slender trail]

you mean you don't like 7 different platform heights to navigate while making your way to your destination?

[fleet anchor]

Haha yeah man every time I go there for callings I just go insane.

The navigation is so bad until we get flying. Maybe then!

[slender trail]

yeah, i have to analyze the map and assess elevation every time i head there

but maybe the cov transportation network will help with that too (i switched to venth today)

[trim zinc]

why doomblade when swaping to venthyr??

[frail fossil]

stop your propaganda

disgusting

[stoic needle]

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[lyric dirge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[gentle gyro]

i reaaaaally don't wanna swap to venthyr so I'm secretly hoping it's not going to be better

i spend so much anima on my buildings I wanna get a RoI goddamnit

[stoic needle]

Numbers don't lie my friend

But you don't have to swap

Venthyr still has kinda shitty soulbinds

[balmy condor]

doomblade is just good post buff

[gentle gyro]

you have to take zoldyck's from my dead cold hands

[grizzled owl]

Transmog look better on venthyr by far

[gentle gyro]

i don't use any covenant set on any of my characters, so uh

rocking the nighthold set

[grizzled owl]

That + new flag, i'll take those over blurrs

[stoic needle]

Venthyr blade cape is hard bis

[grizzled owl]

That

[gentle gyro]

uh, i haven't really kept up

what numbers

[balmy condor]

venthyr looking about equal when you don't look at the overtuned conduit

and when you do look at the conduit, it pulls ahead

[gentle gyro]

[grizzled owl]

What does the conduit do ? Flag damage hit several times ?

[balmy condor]

basically just buffs the damage on it yeah

the amount it buffs it by is pretty high though

in comparison to our normal conduits

[grizzled owl]

@gentle gyro if I remember well venthyr sims 100dps ahead on ptr. That + cttc + buffed doomblade put us second best melee spec in St

[gentle gyro]

i don't think I'm willing to give up First Strike for m+

[stoic needle]

Then don't

You don't have to change

[grizzled owl]

Just dont

[stoic needle]

It's really that easy

[grizzled owl]

I mean far is bis right now

[gentle gyro]

alternatively blizz shouldn't tie power to exclusive systems

[grizzled owl]

Why would it be trash because venthyr is 100 dps ahead ?

[stoic needle]

Yeah good luck with that one buddy

[grizzled owl]

Yea but that's a global discussion

[dark vigil]

what the fuck

dude

the name of WoW is having borrowed power

[stoic needle]

Thats like asking a cat not to meow

[dark vigil]

artifacts

azerite

legendaries

covenants

[grizzled owl]

Actualy i'm juste happy that the best Rp and transmog suited covenant will actually be bis

[stoic needle]

Blizzard literally doesn't know how to design the game otherwise

[burnt star]

I mean. Look at convoke.. their conduit also boost thr damage

[gentle gyro]

they used to know how to

[burnt star]

Im.not against having a conduit that does damage. We have nothing right now covonant wise

[gentle gyro]

time to prepare for TBC Classic

[stoic needle]

That blizzard doesn't exist anymore

[grizzled owl]

I mean

[gentle gyro]

Evasion Tanking here i come

[grizzled owl]

You cant give convoke to rogue

[dark vigil]

they could

[burnt star]

Talkimg about power relative to conduit :)

[gentle gyro]

you can and now that I think about it, you should

[grizzled owl]

No

[stoic needle]

Lashing scars is still nothing compared to other spec conduits

[grizzled owl]

We would os people

[stoic needle]

Good

[grizzled owl]

And get nerfed

[stoic needle]

Druids one shot people and don't get nerfed

[grizzled owl]

To the ground

[stoic needle]

Ret paladins

[gentle gyro]

yeah because druids absolutely do not oneshot people, especially not in pvp

[grizzled owl]

No but i mean

[gentle gyro]

[grizzled owl]

We are already a step away from killing people in os in pvp

That already got us nerfed

[gentle gyro]

we? or sub

[grizzled owl]

So they are afraid

[stoic needle]

You know there's pvp auras right

[grizzled owl]

Sub, was talking about rogue in general

Yep

[stoic needle]

They could just use those

But also our burst is dogshit compared to every other class

[grizzled owl]

We are waiting for one on convoke btw

Xqd

[stoic needle]

We use our entire kit for one 15k evis meanwhile warriors dome you for 15k mortal strike or fae stomp with no CDs up

[gentle gyro]

whenever I see people spiking to 20k on boss pull i feel sad

sitting there with...4

[stoic needle]

I mean that's kind of a you thing though ngl I burst like 10k+ on boss pulls

[gentle gyro]

was exaggerating, but 10k is a bit far fetched

[stoic needle]

Nah not really

[grizzled owl]

I'm not saying hat we are strong atm

[stoic needle]

With lust up

[grizzled owl]

We are cc machine

Which is boring as fuxk

[strange python]

I've joined this server because I intend on learning rogue as a backup to my warrior main. It is amazing to me how easy it is to play warrior compared to other classes, as oshosi said.

[grizzled owl]

I just wanted to illustrate why shy blizzard wont give rogue hard htting abilities :(

[stoic needle]

The burst with flag is gonna be v nice

[strange python]

I love just spamming condemn on sire's 3rd phase and getting 4 15k condemn crits in a row

[stoic needle]

No, they don't give us hard hitting abilities because we don't have a developer to advocate for us

[gusty mirage]

Fellow stabby bleedy friends, so I simmed zoldyk on legs/feet just to be extra sure and top gear is saying that my r3 MA ring is better for a 5 min patchwerk. Should I play around with the input? I reckon its because if I switch out my MA ring I have to use a 213 ring so it'd be an overall equipped ilvl downgrade

and by a significant amount (~93 dps)

[stoic needle]

They can use pvp auras to balance us in pvp so that argument is invalid

But they don't give us anything big because we don't have anyone actually working on our class in a meaningful way

Our dev got put on hearthstone and we haven't had shit since

[stoic needle]

The ilvl will definitely do it. You can change the ilvl of your replacement ring to match whatever your legs are and it should be equivalent

[gusty mirage]

problem is I don't have another ring 😦

I could farm conq and upgrade the haste/vers one to 220 I suppose

but raid invites go out in an hour lol

[stoic needle]

Boe ring?

You can just run MA

Or just fuck it and take the dps loss

[gusty mirage]

that's my other non-MA/celerity ring unfortunately

[stoic needle]

You might do similar dps anyway just because sin is easier

[gusty mirage]

I might have to, the whole selling point about running sin for inerva is we're struggling with <5% pulls to get the kill rn

[stoic needle]

Try and get in some quick pvp games

[fleet whale]

why are you a drunk, unhealthily colored pepe now lol

oh it's a vampire pepe lol

[gusty haven]

What are the best talents for assassination

[fleet whale]

Blindside, Subterfuge, Vigor, personal choice, personal choice, Alacrity, and PB for single target

[gusty haven]

Is assassination good for castle?

[fleet whale]

for aoe, it's the same but replace blindside with elaborate planning

[gusty haven]

And mythics or is outlaw better?

[fleet whale]

and replace poison bomb with Crimson tempest

I would say outlaw is overall better, but assassination is decent in both raids and Mythics

and as far as raiding goes, assassination is rising and will be getting stronger when the next patch hits

[gusty haven]

I like assassination my rogue hit 60 with it

But people are saying go outlaw for raids and mythics

[fleet whale]

nah, you can go sin

[tribal mauve]

Go sin

[fleet whale]

if you like it more, just go assassin

[gusty haven]

Ok 👍🏽

[fleet whale]

you likely aren't playing at a level where it matters what spec you are

[gusty haven]

Yeah that’s true

What changes are rogues getting the next patch?

[gusty mirage]

envenom refreshing slice n dice

[fleet whale]

and more energy from venomous wounds

[gusty mirage]

and flag makes venthyr much better

[gusty haven]

Sub is only good for PvP right?

My rogue is kyrian is that bad?

[gusty mirage]

sub's good for pve

just assa's pulled ahead

[fleet whale]

no if you are kyrian that's fine for rogue

our covenants aren't that big of a deal really

[gusty haven]

For assassination too?

O ok

[fleet whale]

yeah kyrian is fine for assassin

[gusty haven]

Sorry I’m asking so many questions lol

[fleet whale]

it's ok lol

[gusty mirage]

nah you're fine

[gusty haven]

I don’t want to let my guild down in dps lol

[fleet whale]

venthyr is getting a nice change and buff though in the next patch

[gusty mirage]

our covenants are really just down to personal choice because they're not super significant

[fleet whale]

it won't make venth the clear favorite, but it will give you strong opener damage

[gusty haven]

You guys are very knowledgeable so I appreciate it

I liked the kyrian aspect

Not sure if I’d roll the armor though lol

My rogue is undead she doesn’t look right haha with kyrian gear

[gusty mirage]

tbh I don't think any leather wearer looks right with kyrian gear

the leather gear looks so weird

[gusty haven]

This is true

Agreed 💯

[alpine oasis]

it feels more like plate then leather by the looks of it

[flat ocean]

Do you guys think DK's will still steal all the melee spots in high end guilds next tier?

I want to play sin but I don't think the buffs are enough to be better than AMZ

[drifting cloud]

9.1 balance isnt close to being done

too early to tell

[silent tinsel]

Chance of amz getting nerfed?

[tacit forum]

So hard to join any group 😭

[manic harness]

It's definitely a down time for Rogue

If we get any semblance of group utility next patch we can be more than viable again

Hell if we get a couple more small DPS boosts we'll be more than fine

[light plume]

#giveroguesmokebombagain

[balmy condor]

true

[tacit forum]

Even if you stay the whole fight alive the DOS difference is still kinda big

Dps *

Ppl don’t want us 😭

[balmy condor]

disposable rogues

[reef axle]

Bloody demon hunters stole our smoke bomb

[icy crater]

if we just do damage we dont need raid util pog

[tacit forum]

Raid utility adds complexity that’s nice I think

But if could just deal dmg Rn would be cool lol

[dusky vault]

What do you do as a rogue in raid?

I shroud and give the tanks someone to compete with in dps

[faint harness]

you do dmg

and you tricks

[drifting cloud]

you kidney for dmg debuff

[faint harness]

we use the shroud as a way to skip trash

saves time

"MDI plays"

[flat ocean]

SnD should be raid wide easy fix lol

[faint harness]

yep

[flat ocean]

I actually wouldnt mind tricks damage buff back along with smoke bomb it could be enough raid utility to compete with level other classes have

[loud light]

let's not add more "give one person a damage buff" abilities in the game

PI was a mistake

[flat ocean]

I hate it for logs but I think that they should just be split into PI and non PI logs

[low girder]

just make it %dmg and add the dmg to the priest

or delete PI

i'm cool with either

[shy dust]

Rogue is a lucky class

PI is never given to rogues

[flat ocean]

Until we play sin and its good

[shy dust]

Yes we would become a desirable PI target

[loud light]

PI during the exsang corruption days

hoo boy

[shy dust]

But we currently aren’t

So it’s nice for logs and parsing

[flat ocean]

But it's looking like we will be in the future

Just putting it out there

[shy dust]

Will still be fine for parsing and getting high ranks

[flat ocean]

It could affect us very soon and that will suck

[shy dust]

Getting rank 1s and such will be harder

But who cares

[flat ocean]

Hunter in my guild is normall a 90%+ parse player

Gets greens because everyone above him gets PI

[frail fossil]

lol

[shy dust]

Okay like

I very much so doubt

PI will turn someone from green to purple

[flat ocean]

It does when you get 3+ a fight

And it's early prog

[shy dust]

So just rexlear and parse well?

[flat ocean]

Yeah he will

[shy dust]

Not being PI won’t make you unable to get higher than a green

That’s an excuse for bad play

[flat ocean]

But still feels bad

Depends on when it is in prog though

Sure when 400+ guilds have cleared the raid it will be easy to get higher than greens

When it's less than 100 it's not so easy

[frail fossil]

idk man someone blaming green parse on not getting PI is sus to me

[solar flicker]

but its easier to get rank 1s

[flat ocean]

I literally went through logs with him

The difference was just PI

Or insane LnL procs

[solar flicker]

fuck man I want to reclear so bad

[shy dust]

Reclear is comfy

I’ve had to sit a few bosses cause others need it for loot

[flat ocean]

I've sat because AMZ is better than my whole class

Feelsbadman

[drifting cosmos]

What's PI again?

[flat ocean]

Power Infusion

Priest single target haste buff

[drifting cosmos]

Oh

Thx

[flat ocean]

Nws

[dusk wasp]

What's best twos partner for assy?

[fleet anchor]

Well, Doomblade is theoretically good. Although if it truly stays affected by armor it may not be.

[balmy condor]

yeh

[fleet anchor]

So we'll see

[balmy condor]

whip some of those hamster interns into shape

if (armor):
dont;

should be easy

[fleet anchor]

lol

Probably is just a single attribute or flag, so you're not wrong

[faint harness]

Is the bleed that much

Of its dmg

[low girder]

it's a big portion iirc yeah

[balmy condor]

bout half of the damage on live

[dark vigil]

no ptr changes today

[tidal gorge]

Raid utility should totally be: Thick as Thieves, when you feint everyone within 25 yards also gets some % aoe damage reduction

[stoic needle]

i wouldn't mind that

[rugged dragon]

Or make smoke bomb non-talent and give it a 20% dmg reduc

[dark vigil]

think is

it could be something so simple as raid wide 3% avoidance or something

thats perma up

and it'd be more attractive

[pulsar sluice]

whats a common wa ppl use for sin? pls not luxthor tkaes too much space

[void pecan]

That's what I use, just move stuff around and shrink it

[marble bear]

is there a good add on to he4lp me like learn a proper rotation?

[dark vigil]

Atrocity's UI

[pulsar sluice]

think im starting t oget arthritis off outlaw

[young cedar]

How do you think the removal of 10% energy regen from SnD will fair with envenom refreshing it periodically?

[balmy condor]

pins

[young cedar]

Ooo that's good.

An overall buff then.

[violet wasp]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[obtuse ruin]

can we have something pinned that relates to m+? all the changes/notes only take assa into raid consideration 😦

[tame lake]

The changes are so good for pvp especially with a healer. I feel like I never keep slice up right now. Plus doom blade gives a ton of consistent pressure and kill potential with mark kidney double envenom

[manic harness]

Question. if I switch covenants back to Venthyr which I was before, do I lose Sepsis/Soulshape while I am completing the quests to rejoin?

[stoic needle]

no you don't

[balmy condor]

I can do some dungeonslice stuff, but there's a couple of APL stuff on the way so I have to resim anyway

so maybe at some point later in the week

[trim zinc]

my first 15 as sin
happy \o/

[slow marsh]

We're doing it boys

[limber lion]

Added damage from PI is impossible to count because it's not just a flat damage increase. Instead they're apparently thinking of adding a separate ranking for PI.

[slow marsh]

Honestly luxthos and scale it down and tweak it has been the best for me personally

[limber lion]

Good shit

[slow marsh]

Some fights could've done better for sure but I was a bit tipsy and used CDs wrong

Didn't clear sire tonight though so that should go up tomorrow

[spice spire]

Damn. I’m at 80, and that’s without a green parse on stone legion. Good shit dude.

[slow marsh]

Also I'm 600 dps short from sim for a 4 min fight and idk where I'm supposed to get that from

[fallow otter]

On what

[slow marsh]

Kind of everywhere but specifically arti

[fallow otter]

Mechanics

[slow marsh]

I'm averaging 5k but simming 5.6

[fallow otter]

The sim doesn't run out for seed explosions or run away from ghosts bro

[spice spire]

Yeah I mean.
Have you gotten the portal at all? Ghosts? Seed Bitch? Missed some damage avoiding the succ? Damage loss

[slow marsh]

Wait actually true for some reason I though I didn't have mechanics but I had fixate twice

I thought I just cleared traps which is nbd but I had fixate that's where it was

[fallow otter]

Hardly any true patchwerk fights these days

[drifting cloud]

sim is a robot doing it thousand of times compared to your sample size of 1

[slow marsh]

Yeah I think destroyer is closest right now

[spice spire]

I’m seed Bitch so I’ll never hit sims

Inerva can be if you get super lucky

[fallow otter]

Melee seed?

[slow marsh]

Yeah I had sins twice on that too

[spice spire]

Ye

And backup

[fallow otter]

Won't be the end of the world, it's a fast one but yeh not ideal for parse

[slow marsh]

I was finally able to have the talk with my RL and GL after raid though which was nice

[drifting cloud]

and looking at your gear are you 5.6 with wf on?

I assaume you also dont have that in raid

[slow marsh]

Sim 5.6 no wf

4 min fight which is about average for our heroics

[drifting cloud]

oh right its a 4min sim not 5

[fallow otter]

Mystery solved

[limber lion]

Yeah Assa is really fun to play, I'm glad it's in a good spot. I pretty much only raid because that's the content I enjoy and raiding as an assa is the best.

[stoic needle]

Windfury

Nvm I just saw you said no wf

[limber lion]

It's usually in a pretty good spot so we're blessed.

[slow marsh]

Yeeeee it was two fixates I forgot about

[strange python]

fury warrior with windfury

[spice spire]

Also haven’t said but congrats on r1 heroic cev

[slow marsh]

Yeah sin isn't the meme it used to be. That being said I'm ok if the community still looks down on it because it's honestly one buff away from passing outlaw

[spice spire]

I was about to say that fury warrior was pumping wtf, but then saw dude was 224

[slow marsh]

He's also notoriously a padder

[strange python]

I think all fury warriors pad tbh

too fun

[slow marsh]

I don't blame them

[limber lion]

Cheers

[fallow otter]

Mythic interest you?

[limber lion]

Yeah, I'm in a mythic guild progressing on SLG. We've been perma-extending since Council.

Have to play Outlaw on SLG :(

[fallow otter]

It's kinda good for it though

Constant dmg on those skirms kinda good

[slow marsh]

Yeah and the shield kind of sucks in general for sin

[stoic needle]

Duskwalkers next patch tho

I'm 218 ilvl can't get an invite to h sire pugs

[slow marsh]

Lol I've pugged all 3 of my hSire kills

[stoic needle]

Do these motherfuckers not know the power of zoldyck on sire !?

[slow marsh]

They really don't

[fallow otter]

Aotc?

[stoic needle]

No I'm not

Trying to get it

[spice spire]

You obviously need AotC to get AotC

[fallow otter]

Fair

[spice spire]

Come on dude

[fallow otter]

Lol

[stoic needle]

Like I would literally be #1 dps in a pug full of shitters but I can't get a damn invite

I've gotten to 5% I know the fight

[spice spire]

My guild is still progging it. Existence is pain.

[fallow otter]

I try drag friends in when we kill it for our casuals, then they can pug as much as they want once they have it

[strange python]

I got lucky on my sire H kill I was in a generals group and they didn’t reform when they were done with it so I just sorta got to stick around

[slow marsh]

I would try to get you an invite to ours tomorrow but people still need loot so not taking any extras

[strange python]

You will find that a lot of AOTC ONLY groups are half filled with guild members that are under geared or have low boss progression and they just wanna bring carries in

[limber lion]

I don't even get why HC Sire is so hard to pug. I struggle with it a lot as well.

[strange python]

ppl not moving impales in p2 is the biggest reason

[limber lion]

Like it's not a hard fight. I guess it's punishing if you get hit by a swirlie or mess up in p1

[limber lion]

Yeah could be, don't know

[slow marsh]

Yeah impales, people padding off of remoria, can't dodge massacre

[gusty mirage]

Or the crescendos, watching people get knocked off is frustrating and funny at the same time

[spice spire]

Bad timings phase one have wiped us on all “good” runs

Phase two*

Getting sucked in while swirlies go off

[strange python]

I’ve had problems with tanks pointing denathrius cone wrong direction too

In p2

[spice spire]

Wiped us four-five times last Mondays#

[slow marsh]

Coming through mirror with frontal pointed at mirror is always fun

[balmy condor]

[fallow otter]

Im on SLG locked aswell but no rogue for me atm. My rogue is on the sidelines watching from afar lol. He's like 220 Ilvl though nearly ready to try sin again haven't played it since pre patch when we all went sub coz we could. Just got ma finality and cele for pve and keys and finality from when I thought I was gonna main rogue

[spice spire]

Yeah..that definitely happened once or twice

[strange python]

dirty WW player

[slow marsh]

If only you had the Zold for when you go to sire

[fallow otter]

Im a numbers slave what can I say

[gusty mirage]

I feel like I just summed up your entire raid night

[balmy condor]

Tank got knocked off from a puddle on a pull

But the hand gripped them back

Literally so late

That they clipped through the floor

On their way back

[spice spire]

Wat

[gusty mirage]

Oh no

[stoic needle]

FINALLY got a fucking invite

[gusty mirage]

I’ve seen that happen a few times

[strange python]

Gl @stoic needle

[spice spire]

Gl

[gusty mirage]

Get the kill dude!

[balmy condor]

Ended up stuck in the floor or something but then jumped and it was fine

[stoic needle]

ty

i'm gonna need it

[balmy condor]

Now just kill ez

[fallow otter]

I wish I could say I regret it but honestly, WoO monk is like the most fun thing in the game atm imo I came for the numbers but stayed for how awesome WoO is. That and we need monk buff 🤣

[strange python]

I miss clipping through the floor in nyalotha

[fallow otter]

Yeh just kill it 4head

[spice spire]

Gonna keep it a buck here. You’re not wrong. WW is stupid fun, leveled one up. If I weren’t a rogue slave, and we were a prog guild I’d 100% make the swap

[gusty mirage]

Are you NA? And horde or ally?

[stoic needle]

NA horde

[gusty mirage]

If you don’t get it tonight, let me know I’ll try to get you in to my guild’s Sunday heroic clear

[balmy condor]

Love to see it

[slow marsh]

Damn y'all making me wish I was horde

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

Ah yeah makes sense honestly. I'm on the verge of being benched for SLG for playing Rogue lol. But assa is really fun, give it a shot! Feels pretty good to play

[ionic fox]

No such thing as padding on remoria lol they share health you actually do more damage to boss if you can cleave or dot both

[balmy condor]

📉 respect

[spice spire]

OOF.

[slow marsh]

He literally can't if he's the only monk lol

[fallow otter]

My memories of global locked CT ST are so good im scared to ruin them lol

[spice spire]

8.3

[slow marsh]

Yeah I mean I'm playing a panda anyways so ...............

[gusty mirage]

8.3 stat corruptions w/ echoing blades made m+ so much more fun though

[strange python]

imagine not being horde and not playing on a52

[gusty mirage]

Fellow area 52er

[balmy condor]

Wtf, you literally had a choice and then made the wrong one

[slow marsh]

Yeah alliance proudmoore is just what my bro was on when he talked me into playing

[balmy condor]

A52 in the chat

[fallow otter]

Feelsbadman

Lol

[strange python]

I used to play on alli sargeras and swapped for a guild

to horde a52

[fallow otter]

One single blue mythic parse

Poor rogue

[spice spire]

F.

[gusty mirage]

If it makes you feel better I’m 4/10 and only have 1 blue parse in mythic

[slow marsh]

I like my guild right now a lot. They're cool. But I told myself if I'm not in prog team by next tier I'm dippin

[gusty mirage]

Parsed a FAT 10 on our inerva kill lmao

[spice spire]

O no

[slow marsh]

Not gonna sit around wasting away when I'm better than half the dps they take for prog

[gusty mirage]

My mythic parses are legit trash, I might be in over my head in mythic tbh

[slow marsh]

Mythic is a hard transition

[spice spire]

You’ll get experience over time. It’s really difficult. My guild went infinitely more casual after mythic ra-den last xpac lol

[faint harness]

Assassination is a very easy mythic spec

[limber lion]

Ah yeah didn't mean to try it out on progression. Might wanna do that on Heroic first before taking it to mythic lol

[limber lion]

Lmao that's true :D it was so much fun

[fallow otter]

Well when I put my hand up for the bench on huntsman for obv reasons at the time, only had sub legend. Then we started progging hungering and our monk tank kept falling over and talking about how it sucks compared to his dh. I bit the bullet at that point

[slow marsh]

Haha I figured. Monks are so much better right now though so I don't blame him

[fleet anchor]

Realistically fairly few guilds are at a point in Mythic where parses are really the focus tbh

[faint harness]

Some brewmasters cant play the game after bfa, sad

[slow marsh]

Leveling a horde monk on tich right now with some guildies and I feel I might regret it

[fleet anchor]

Until you are on full farm, parses in Mythic are kinda whatever

Lots of strategies will not be compatible with strong parses

[spice spire]

They’re very fun, ice. Good luck staying strong brother

[slow marsh]

Diamond hands 💎💎💎

[gusty mirage]

I’m just glad inerva finally died, and I was one of the 5 people left alive lol

[fallow otter]

Yeah really not relavent or looked at by anyone that knows what's going on. Best players probably doing hard jobs or popping certain windows etc

[fleet anchor]

When you are on full farm you can have happy funtime parses, but otherwise it's just about doing what is best for the kill

[gusty mirage]

I was designated as the melee bottle soaker so some of the fight I was legit just afk lol

[stoic needle]

oh shit gz @gusty mirage on the inerva kill 😄

[fallow otter]

Now... Sludge... @fleet anchor you can argue a bit because dps is your job

[stoic needle]

i did the first pull w/o deadly poison but nobody noticed so its k

[gusty mirage]

Thank you sir! I attribute the kill to @balmy condor ‘s good juju

[fallow otter]

But it's full of PI pigs lol

[faint harness]

Unless you’re doing full grey bottom tier logs it might be alright. But even on prog, certain bosses should be purple+ because of the nature of the fight

[fleet anchor]

Like for Nyalotha for example, my Post-Nerf 1 segment is not trash but not really great either. Many of my first kills were 30-40% parses

[balmy condor]

[fleet anchor]

And then maybe up to like 70-80% parses on 3-4th kills

[slow marsh]

I mean greens are fine for mythic prog though

[fleet anchor]

But Post-Nerf II segment in Nya I was Rank 72 or something and had multiple 99s so

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly. That's why I take my parsing ass to Heroic. Much rather kill the bosses on mythic with awful parses than progressing for 3 more weeks trying for a good parse on first kill

[fleet anchor]

it's really just a change of focus

[slow marsh]

Grey's when it gets a little sketch

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I mean you don't want to be doing BAD damage

You just have to understand that sometimes doing the fight well results in meh parses at times

[gusty mirage]

It’s crazy how different you perform once the group gets everything down pat and everyone’s gear and performance gets better

[slow marsh]

Yeah I mean first kills are fine I guess if you're on mechs but yeah parses are for sure not everything

[faint harness]

Being comfortable is a dps increase for sure

Which is why rerolling meta specs aint always a good thing

[stoic needle]

i really enjoy melee in raids even though its a shitshow, not dying to all of the mechanics feels good

[slow marsh]

Tbh I just like to see the progress from week to week for parses

[gusty mirage]

True, you should see me on fire mage it’s a disaster

[faint harness]

Lower ranked guilds bench their rogue for multiclasser Bob and he is terrible at his spec. Chad rogue is on bench because of community perception but would crush bob in performance

[fallow otter]

Yeah I agree with this somewhat, once you have killed a boss. I remember inerva parses sucked at the start because we just fell over the line. And sometimes your comp or strat doesn't let you parse. Like.. The way you will have to do council to parse... I dont think I'm ever going to bother

[fallow otter]

Hey you saying I'm a bob?! Lol

[faint harness]

No you’re doing fine arent you?

[fallow otter]

Haha yeh I'm kidding

[faint harness]

Also ye, some fights basically require degenerate gameplay to parse

[fallow otter]

Im a blue parse Andy for our council

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather just kill bosses tbh if I parse well that’s fine too. But it’s throwing me off a bit when I think I did okay and it’s a bad parse. I also offer my RL to sit me if I’m doing bad damage or holding the group back and he hasn’t taken me up on that offer yet lol

[solar flicker]

wym bro slg parses just mean ur playing good

[fallow otter]

Coz i hit the target

[faint harness]

Not very exciting to do for a colour on your profile

[faint harness]

Never ask for bench tho

[gusty mirage]

Tru

[slow marsh]

As long as you're doing around the damage you should be then you're fine

[gusty mirage]

Although I’d love to get benched for sun king because fuck that fight

[faint harness]

I dont think there is anything more frustrating as a RL to have a bunch of ppl whisper you and call for bench

[slow marsh]

It's an easy way to perma lose your spot too

[faint harness]

Yea

[slow marsh]

Cuz it comes off as you don't want to play

[stoic needle]

sun king is such a meme

pad city

[faint harness]

Even if it’s for good reasons

[limber lion]

I'm just glad it doesn't award allstar points. It's so awful xddd

[faint harness]

Wow leaders are quite cynical

[stoic needle]

oh it doesn't? thank god

[fallow otter]

I thought the same at the start then I didn't mind it coz council sucked more and now council is ok coz m slg lol but tbh is growing on me, I deadset hated it but now I don't. It's not fun but it's slowly improving as we progress

[slow marsh]

I mean I'm coming for people's spots right now in my guild and I think they're all cool and stuff and I don't mean any harm but I for sure have targeted people that I should be swapping in for

[faint harness]

Slg enjoyment factor also depends on your strat

A lot

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that’s true, could show that you might be growing tired or burned out of raiding or just aren’t having fun, etc. My tank from my m+ group joined the guild too and quit raiding because he hated it, and when that happened I got a few messages from officers asking if I plan on quitting too. So I can see how it’s probably not a good idea to ask to be benched lol

[fallow otter]

Yeh thank baby jesus we doing fast push

[faint harness]

Just being competitive

[slow marsh]

Exactly

[faint harness]

We are doing 11:30 minute strat:))

[slow marsh]

I'm not playing just for the hell of it. I want to prog and have the feeling that I actually achieved something

[faint harness]

Absolutely hate that boss

[fleet anchor]

SLG kinda sucks

[fallow otter]

💩 💩 💩

[fleet anchor]

Even with faster strat there's stop dps and shit

Unless you are doing the mega blaster strat

[faint harness]

It’s too long, and one mistake will kill you. Not fun in any way

[fleet anchor]

But most people aren't

There's slowwww strat, fast strat, and blast strat 😛

But even fast strat is slow

😦

[faint harness]

Slow strat is awful man

[fallow otter]

We doing 9.15kill

[faint harness]

We hold dps like 4 times

Prob for a minute in total

[slow marsh]

Our guild is on council right now. Week 3 Saturday. I guess people don't know how to jump when told

[fallow otter]

Is that what your deaths are from? Or not making timers

[gusty mirage]

Oh God, we struggle bus with miasma soaking at times. Council’s going to be so miserable if we get there

[faint harness]

Council p3 is basically down to your tanks and attendant killers

[limber lion]

Same but at some point it can be detrimental. When 95 is not enough and only 99 is "good".

[slow marsh]

Some yes.

[limber lion]

When in reality 95 is really good.

[tribal marlin]

It is getting odd

https://i.imgur.com/8EO2zkM.png

[fallow otter]

Yeh it seems straight forward to me how important attendant dmg is but some people don't get it

[gusty mirage]

Well good thing I switched when I was 26 renown as venthyr boys

[faint harness]

What’s getting old??

[tribal marlin]

logging, doing a couple of quests, crafting a new legendary ,changing talent and wining 10% dps xD

[faint harness]

Not being able to do any dmg to boss is kinda bad when you want to kill it asap

Oh you said odd

Wth

Why did I see old

[slow marsh]

I mean that stuff is fine to me. Might drive me nuts a bit if I'm 400 short of sims or whatever but at the end of the day it is what it is. The thing that gets me is expecting me to just have fun reclearing heroic every week and that's it

[limber lion]

Is the strategy where you get all commandos down to 30% at the same time and AOE blast them a viable strat? We're doing that and we have't gotten through the shields once lmao

[stoic needle]

always show me ⬛

thats just p2 kekeke

[fleet anchor]

Yes that's pretty normal

[stoic needle]

that warrior is kinda pumpin tho

[fleet anchor]

Our comp was pretty stacked for it though

[fallow otter]

I tried to show on logs the immuned hits but I couldn't work it out... Wanted to point fingers so bad haha but I should never beat hunters on attendant dmg with a ww

[fleet anchor]

I basically didn't get to do jack shit even as Outlaw

[limber lion]

Yeah makes sense. I had to do the swap to KS/MA Outlaw just for the shields and it's just not enough. We're really far behind, not sure why.

[slow marsh]

The war is pumping because adds in p1

[tribal marlin]

We are doing the slooooooow strat

I think our weekly kill is like 11:40 xD

[fleet anchor]

Enter the NO FUN ZONE for a Rogue

[slow marsh]

Just try to secure a pi for p3

[faint harness]

Most annoying part of mythic prog, when it’s painfully obvious your dps friends have done 0 prep

[slow marsh]

@stoic needle

[stoic needle]

👀

[faint harness]

Havoc beating outlaw

[jade coral]

is poison bomb aoe capped?

[gusty mirage]

Oof

[faint harness]

Is this the future