like on sire, you'd run zold for sure
#assassination
balmy condor
faint harness
Y
faint harness
Yea
I guess slg would be good for zoldyck too
Many execute
Phases
Double value in last phase
low girder
☎️ hello blizzard, can I get a finality refund?
rough agate
9.0.5 zold still?
balmy condor
depending on fight
raven locust
!bis
rough agate
gonna make a 210 leggo, not sure which to go for
with the patch in mind
not for now
dark vigil
zold
rough agate
ill just wait
spice spire
Holy fuck don’t bring Doomblade to keys
dark vigil
yeayh
you might as well not have a leggo
i'd say it'd be nice for tyrannical but even zold would be better for tyrannical
spice spire
It is. Did a 14 tonight, missed time and missed my usual dps by about 1.7k
dark vigil
sounds about right
rapid lance
lol yikes
dark vigil
hell even the vendetta leggo would be better than doomblade for keys
spice spire
Did a whopping 2% of my damage
nocturne herald
Yeah I keep telling myself it's not worth it but then just don't want to talk myself. From my understanding tho seems like at least 1400 shouldn't be hard with half-decent organization
dark vigil
im so sad i feel like i cant really play the game til next week
til coldheart is open again, and i fucked myself by not unlocking tc
oh well
ill just binge some tv shows
already did all my m0 and normal raid and both torghast wings
and did the 5 timewalking dungeons
oh i guess i could do the timewalking raid
for sidegrade
strange python
I heard rumors that there are some cute rogue mains in here
balmy condor
coral imp
sorry disc is on my monitor thats hella far
summer urchin
im not a rogue main but im cute
strange python
stark heart
☎️ hello blizzard, can I get a finality refund?
It half works for Assa, why would you ask for refund
low girder
strange python
🦍
rapid lance
for kyrian I go kleia?
balmy condor
sim it
rapid lance
makes sense lol
apparently it is kleia lol
is there a way to sim another covenant?
balmy condor
unlock your soulbinds
using the checkbox
and then select a different soulbind
it'll sim that covenant alongside it
rapid lance
ah ty
celest ruin
how can i sim using ptr numbers?
balmy condor
ptr=1
celest ruin
hmm, it says invalid commands: ptr
balmy condor
what sim type are you trying to use
celest ruin
gear compare
balmy condor
doesn't work outside of advanced sim
celest ruin
aah, figures
balmy condor
@shy dust remember how we were talking about vigor not stonks?
shy dust
Yeah?
drifting cloud
take my apm
balmy condor
51 on deeper 53 with vigor
shy dust
Is that thrill seeker?
balmy condor
yes
shy dust
I hate this game
balmy condor
thrill seeker dauntless dashing in that profile
shy dust
Buff sub I hate this channel
balmy condor
but seeing similar with doomblade
shy dust
Loss With zoldyck?
balmy condor
yes
plain jewel
Would i want to delay sepsis by 30 seconds to line up with vendetta?
balmy condor
zold is the worst of the 3 atm
shy dust
How far apart
balmy condor
Would i want to delay sepsis by 30 seconds to line up with vendetta?
only if you're not missing casts
shy dust
Is zoldyck from best profile
stoic needle
deeper gaming????
shy dust
balmy condor
and that's almost 50 apm
stoic needle
The biggest sickest envenoms 
shadow helm
does vanish reset first strike
balmy condor
no
little basalt
@balmy condor any assa aoe/D-slice sims? Looking for a good reason to not play outlaw anymore :P
shadow helm
sad!
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> any assa aoe/D-slice sims? Looking for a good reason to no...
dungeonslice has some weird interactions for flag on dying targets atm
should have that settled by end of week probably
which is why I'm not simming that
the other issue is that I'm pulling a BiS profile for sin, and outlaw doesn't have one of those
I guess I could use loktark
but still not really a 1 to 1 comparison
little basalt
which is why I'm not simming that
Ah I understand, that makes sense. Was wondering why we haven't got D-slice sims for outlaw yet w/ flag
balmy condor
aoe sims should be fine
it's the dungeonslice target dying stack interaction
that's uh
causing some trouble
mystler might've fixed it let me look
shadow helm
tfw still no weapon in the vault
stoic needle
I know we won't be close to outlaw but I can dream
little basalt
I know we won't be close to outlaw but I can dream
My life for shrouded suffocation back
balmy condor
have to give loktark some ilvl to make it a little more even
anyway
so here's tricked out loktark
and that's sin
we can look at 5 target no lust as well real quick
gloomy knoll
oh wow sin bad
balmy condor
sin has never been the dslice champion of the world tbh
gloomy knoll
truh
stoic needle
I expected as much
balmy condor
oh actually I think the sin one has lust on
that's probably higher than it should be
hold on
stoic needle
What about with bloodfang or something
balmy condor
well WPS sims highest in slice
gloomy knoll
hmmm
balmy condor
I can try zold
gloomy knoll
yea i'd try zold
gloomy knoll
i feel like wps wouldn't be that great in dungos
stoic needle
Nadjia or theotar?
balmy condor
nadjia
stoic needle
Theotar should be better for slice
balmy condor
we can try that too
stoic needle
What leggo was sin using
gloomy knoll
- dicks
balmy condor
the dslice on that one is doom
stoic needle
Well no wonder it's shit
balmy condor
eh I don't think it's actually that bad
mut till 4 target
in dslice
it's like half single target in dslice as well
like is aight
gloomy knoll
i hate fan of knives honestly
balmy condor
mostly curious tho
gloomy knoll
it's the worst aoe spell i've ever used
stoic needle
Yeah but that execute in aoe is kinda bigge
shadow helm
u need more crit bro!!!!
faint harness
1 more haste should make it better
slow marsh
stoic needle
You need .69% more crit
slow marsh
them 20's
faint harness
Cool stats bro
slow marsh
I only post cuz @stoic needle was talking about the zen20s
stoic needle
If you get 20/20/20/20 you unlock the hidden zensassination passive and your scaling is doubled
balmy condor
but now I'm having to do them by hand again
slow marsh
yes
balmy condor
just I'm 
slow marsh
Whis are you driving yourself insane
balmy condor
constantly, yes
slow marsh
For the sake of ptr sims
slow marsh
I've noticed your recent obsessing over doomblade
balmy condor
nah
it's m+ as well
just a solid overall
doom might be better on 1-2 target tho
stoic needle
I crafted doomblade for the memes and then it ends up being bis st 
slow marsh
I know that doomblade was gonna be good but how good
balmy condor
it's looking like 3% single target
slow marsh
I mean akaari's is bis ST for sub and look how that turned out
balmy condor
akaari was like dashing
but then we got an envenom fix in sims
which hurt zold
and then doom got buffed
and now it's like
quite good
fallow otter
Welcome to vault day
balmy condor
stop ddosing raidbots servers wtf
actually the highest queue position I've ever had
trim zinc
Idk of im gonna have gold to swap my leggos ;-;
rapid lance
how do you sim different covenants?
rapid lance
well ye but I want to sim the cov ability
fallow otter
It gives with it
rapid lance
o
slow marsh
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hYZKRpUVuYz7Yhk7miuWF6
is this the 3 leggos or what
balmy condor
yeah it's not stupid enough to sim a night fae ability with a venthyr ability
fallow otter
You can't have the soulbind without the ability so, raidbots knows
balmy condor
that would be janky as fuck
rapid lance
lol fair enough
balmy condor
talents
fallow otter
@balmy condor i want weapons of order and burrs with 2x potency where do I put this order in
slow marsh
I thought we were good to go already on zoldy
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> i want weapons of order and burrs with 2x potency where do...
I can make that happen
balmy condor
I thought we were good to go already on zoldy
yeah but I was simming some other things
so that one there is zold dungeonslice
slow marsh
I've noticed zold pops off 4-5. Only times I can hit the 7-8k
balmy condor
where is the bis list?
gone
fallow otter
I blame you for an this bis list stuff
fallow otter
Needed an i accept disclaimer at the front
balmy condor
because a lot of people started using it to make gearing decisions
fallow otter
why?
The reality of the situation is that it's useless information for pretty much 99% of the player base
balmy condor
the problem is that people were using it to make gearing decisions
and not trusting sims, and taking vault items just because they were listed in the bis list
and other stupid nonsense like that
balmy condor
you can use droptimizer for that
fallow otter
What information do you want at the moment?
primal zinc
is that an addon?
rapid lance
2800 people in que
balmy condor
2800 people in que
EU waking up 
fallow otter
Or what raid boss for a trinket
Something like that?
If that's the case then like @balmy condor said droptimizer is the move
slow marsh
I mean you can't really hit DRs too easily right now with gear options so it's not like it super matters
balmy condor
droptimizer is always the move
slow marsh
If at all
balmy condor
you use top gear
or you use droptimizer
or you advanced sim like a fucking nerd
those are the only sim types that exist
slow marsh
We will leave the advanced sims to you ya fucking nerd
balmy condor
gear compare is like niche and weird, and usually solved by the others
stat weights are bait
quick sim is essentially just useless except to show a damage breakdown or something weird like that
talent compare is just top gear but worse
like say you're doing mythic raid and an item drops and you're like oh shit is that an upgrade?
droptimizer before raid, then you know
you just alt tab, got the answer right there
primal zinc
ty whispyr for all ur help
balmy condor
say you want to test a talent combination, just top gear sim it, click click done, no need for talent compare jank
primal zinc
@balmy condor much ❤️ bruh
balmy condor
I honestly struggle to justify talent compare existing
when the UI for talent compare is just slower, worse top gear
rocky ruin
did they change Flagellation again?
balmy condor
yes
rocky ruin
or just remove the old thing?
balmy condor
it's basically the same thing, but without a second gcd
some number tuning and stuff
rocky ruin
cause at wowhead they remove a lot from that since yesterday
balmy condor
but essentially still hit button, do some damage on CP use, get haste
rocky ruin
nah that i know, but yesterday they remove old strings so i thought they werent happy with their ptr version of flagellation
primal zinc
im allways trying to synergise thrill seeker with flag
its like mini lust
at ~stacks of thill seeker if you activate flag
and then reactivate it at 25+ stacks its like ~20% more haste for 15-10 sec
so its like another 1 alacrity talent
every now and then
stoic needle
it's a dps loss to do that sadly
my first foray into advanced simming was trying to figure out if it was a gain to sync flag and thrillseeker and it is not
fallow otter
when the UI for talent compare is just slower, worse top gear
Yeh... It's very likely gear will change if swapping talents
balmy condor
well that's not the point
have you tried talent compare
you gotta do each combination one at a time
top gear you select the talents you want to sim, and it does the combinations itself
balmy condor
yuh
kindred crescent
we may not be the best guild but i am top 3 dps now as assas rogue and i couldnt be happier
i liked sub but assas feels like home
drifting imp
I just read the stuff about the PTR, does the removal of slice and dice rank 2 for cut to the chase mean, that slice and dice will no longer give us energy regen? And will the change of the passive from 7 to 8 energy per bleed compensate for that?
balmy condor
pins
drifting imp
Oooooh I see sorry I missed just that sentence when I checked the pins 
Now I feel stupid 
drifting imp
I know and I didn't want to be the 
guy 
merry adder
so, uh, haven't been here a while.
i was sub for castle nathria and kinda enjoyed it, esp on single target if... falling way behind on others. my gear is now very vers/crit heavy but. i kinda miss sin
is sub no longer super ahead? are people switching back again?
merry adder
my finality final rank cost me an arm and a leg so thats my main hesitation lol,,
would be funny if sub will now be behind the others instead, so i'm wondering how it looks to yall
balmy condor
that's what it seems like
celest ruin
still wishing for a legendary refund
pretty sure most of us has a 235 finality just sitting in the bag
kindred crescent
yup
slow marsh
I'm glad I missed that boat tbh
stoic needle
I have 235 zold, 210 doomblade 210 ma and 225 celerity
celest ruin
even my 225 MA has wrong stats and idk if im willing to upgrade it to 235
stoic needle
I almost crafted finality early on but decided to int my raid prep for the future and play sin instead
I probably will upgrade my ma just because I pvp but if I didn't I wouldn't
slow marsh
Why bother crafting the 210s? No flame but honestly wondering
stoic needle
I couldn't choose specs early on
slow marsh
Most efficient is 190->235 no?
stoic needle
Not really
grizzled owl
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fBfCQG5fSrYXkx93tjJ626 outlaw https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5F4yQMtHnMmb3zR71KVD9v assa. I know my weapon is nowhere as good in assa, but that seems like a crazy gap in patchwerk ? Sim does not even take zoldyck as an upgrade other MA ?
stoic needle
Weapons will do that
grizzled owl
I'm fed up of that pirate bullshit
stoic needle
Also your leggo is lower ilvl
Just craft zold
Full send it
I'm about to delete my celerity
slow marsh
Lellel
I am thinking of crafting celerity to play around in outlaw but I feel that would be a mistake
balmy condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fBfCQG5fSrYXkx93tjJ626 outlaw https://...
make the sims equal and see
kinda gimping yourself by just using a gear set that blows
balmy condor
well no
grizzled owl
Well I know they are not, but I am trying to set realistic setting with item that I actually have
balmy condor
just equal to the mainhands he has
slow marsh
Also swap MA for zold
stoic needle
And give yourself a 213 ring and 225 zold pants
balmy condor
Also swap MA for zold
zold didn't sim higher
grizzled owl
so If I wanted to swap right now, where would I stand
because I'm fucking fed up of outlaw and would like to switch rn
I set my loot to sin but got no weapon 😢
stoic needle
Yeah I meant 223/210 mb
slow marsh
Well yeah but he's thinking of going sin may as well swap to zold
grizzled owl
I can get a 207 OH though
grizzled owl
Well yeah but he's thinking of going sin may as well swap to zold
that
celest ruin
get sire dagger
slow marsh
Hey man
balmy condor
also why is your dagger lightless
grizzled owl
Oh did not notice Whispyr
I selected all weapon enchant
why did raidbot did not switch the enchant
balmy condor
yeah but you didn't replace
grizzled owl
well gotta redo that
celest ruin
its true tho, 8 kills on sire still no ring
slow marsh
I only have 2 kills on heroic sire. Both pugs. This week I finally get to one shot with guild cuz I'm sick of that shit
stoic needle
I should be able to kill h sire but pugging it is so painful
grizzled owl
would be even or ahead with a good dagger
celest ruin
do they a specific date for 9.0.5
balmy condor
no
stoic needle
No
celest ruin
all i see is march
slow marsh
I just got 226 haste vers dagger from vault. Pretty pog
slow marsh
Hey after 3 weeks of shit vaults I'm glad
grizzled owl
well I got 2 kill on sire too
stoic needle
226/223 now with a 220 lightless for m+
grizzled owl
my guild is finally cleaning him
grizzled owl
226/223 now with a 220 lightless for m+
pretty nice
stoic needle
Yeah I can't complain but my rings and trinkets are shite
slow marsh
Kek
grizzled owl
How is assa in m+ ? Is it so far behind outlaw ? We started cleaning +18 with my guild and I can't afford a big loss
slow marsh
Do you have the 200 stitch haste ring
grizzled owl
Timer are short
stoic needle
10% aoe damage loss over outlaw with equivalent gear
But there are people who do 18+ with sin atm
slow marsh
I feel like sin just struggles with a lack of CDs for m+
stoic needle
Do you have the 200 stitch haste ring
I have 213 honor haste vers ring, 213 xymox ring and 207 crit world boss ring 
stoic needle
I feel like sin just struggles with a lack of CDs for m+
Meh not really, you just do consistent damage instead
slow marsh
Like my group asks to pop CDs and I'm like ok I'll vendetta the big guy I guess
But most groups coordinate with CDs so it's not as useful
It's good for pugs I guess
stoic needle
It's fine, you can vendetta prides and not lose anything really while everyone else saves their CDs
And subt garottes with vanish to refresh them really isn't a slouch in terms of aoe with ct on top
slow marsh
I have 213 honor haste vers ring, 213 xymox ring and 207 crit world boss ring <:...
I alternate between 4 rings atm. Thankfully I have 213 inerva but I have 200 haste then I have vers rings for pvp
stoic needle
I alternate between 4 rings atm. Thankfully I have 213 inerva but I have 200 has...
I want that inerva ring so bad
Even at 213 it'd be the same dps increase as a 226 of the m+ rings
slow marsh
Well the consistent damage is there sure but when the others are popping 13k CDs for 10 seconds it's kind of depression
slow marsh
Even the outlaw will spike 16k during KS
stoic needle
I hit 8 or 10k burst with pride sometimes I'm happy with that
stoic needle
We may not burst hard, but we execute everything in the dungeon which can't be glossed over imo
Especially on raging week
slow marsh
Yeah except we use shiv on cd so
grizzled owl
Hmm
slow marsh
That's sadge
grizzled owl
So its not doing so bad
And might even do good with further "buff" ?
or cttc will do n othing in aoe
slow marsh
I would say sin is decent
stoic needle
Yeah it's not much for the soothe, but executing during the enrage hp helps
stoic needle
Cttc is a small aoe dps buff but we don't cast and much in aoe
It depends on what view you're looking at it from
For pugs it's rough
But with a team rogue is fine
grizzled owl
well if we had chinese outlaw with 2 garanteed roll it would be so bad even if its lore is utter garbage
stoic needle
I got into 3 14s today with not a ton of waiting
grizzled owl
but how bad does it feel to have only grand melee when u need a burst ?
stoic needle
You know that's not a real thing right
slow marsh
Lol
stoic needle
The feels difference between 5 roll and gm/bt is why I don't play outlaw
grizzled owl
but I guess 1415 rio helps
slow marsh
It's more about the io
stoic needle
It's not a huge deal in practice but I just don't like the peaks and valleys based on rng
Yeah having good rio is everything
Mine is pretty average but I'm trying to fix that this week
slow marsh
I'm working on mine. Tbh never gave a shit until I got great vault walled with gear
grizzled owl
well
stoic needle
I didn't give a shit until I realized that no one would invite you to keys without it
grizzled owl
trust me its n ot only a feeling matter
if u take for instance the totems on last boss DOS
2 time we missed the key because I had grand melee on the totem's add
stoic needle
And by then I was already behind
stoic needle
Oof
grizzled owl
killed it with 15sec left
stoic needle
That's rough
stoic needle
Vendetta does actually give you some pretty solid single target burst
grizzled owl
this thing is now my fucking nemesis
tender fjord
Vendetta on pride is quite good
stoic needle
It just doesnt show up on the meters when everyone else is ooga booga flame patch combust
slow marsh
I usually vendetta pride too
grizzled owl
because even if I do pretty good consistent damage in the dungeon, I can't kill a fucking add because of a fucking bad roll
stoic needle
It's gonna be even better with venthyr
grizzled owl
even in raid
slow marsh
I really want to swap venthyr but idk
stoic needle
I've found that you can vendetta pride and it will come back up during the boss even if it's immediately afterwards
grizzled owl
yea now I just keep everything for that fucking add
stoic needle
Which is really nice
slow marsh
Yet to see solid numbers. Just speculation and cool factor
grizzled owl
so I can ensure I get iit down
tender fjord
If I speak for myself I’m always third dps but my group is really happy with me. 3 silences on pull, 3 more silences with vanish. Very steady dps, good single target. Vendetta up for every big guy
grizzled owl
venthyr + sin seems so appealing
stoic needle
Yet to see solid numbers. Just speculation and cool factor
Have you seen the sims in #tc-research and in this xhannel earlier?
slow marsh
You get vendetta up for execute which is all that matters
stoic needle
In the 14s I did today i outdpsed the boomkin in all 3 
tender fjord
I’d say find another boomie 😅
slow marsh
Have you seen the sims in <#266712108861751296> and in this xhannel earlier?
I've seen lots of random ass sims lol
stoic needle
I’d say find another boomie 😅
They were pugs but you'd think boomkins with higher io than me would do more dmg
grizzled owl
what number do you reach overall with sin in m+ and for which ilvl ?
don't link mist, we all know number are fucked there :p
stoic needle
I'm 218 ilvl and I usually do 5-6k
balmy condor
5.5k to 6k at 217
slow marsh
Your sims aren't random
stoic needle
In 13-14s
slow marsh
When I know what I'm looking at xD
stoic needle
Haven't done any 15s yet
The thing about sin the higher the key the more damage you do
balmy condor
When I know what I'm looking at xD
are the pins not clear
stoic needle
More mob hp = dots go brr
balmy condor
well actually need to resim that
slow marsh
Let me look
balmy condor
but aside from the need to resim it
slow marsh
The ones from 22 I looked at already
strange python
bro
stoic needle
I've just started agressively adding any good tanks I play with and then PMing them if they want to do keys
It's working alright so far
strange python
how do people run high plaguefall keys without a mage to mirror image cheese the 3rd boss
those adds are atrocious
tender fjord
5.8k at 215ilvl, quite steady for most dungeons
slow marsh
But I just saw the 7k doomblade sims
balmy condor
yeh
stoic needle
those adds are atrocious
Just run around and fok them with tricks
Ez
Sprint > tricks > fok > ct
slow marsh
Personally idk what to believe is all. Not that sims are random. But lots of stuff being thrown around idk what's what. My issue not on you
tender fjord
Keybind tricks to your tank tbh
balmy condor
well that's why we have green names :P
stoic needle
I press that shit every single pull
Sometimes midpull
Tricks is love, tricks is life
grizzled owl
that's pretty good number
In low key like 14-16 I do 5K5 as outlaw
high key my dps tend to get lower
slow marsh
well that's why we have green names :P
I seem to recall SOMEONE saying green names aren't always up to snuff ......
stoic needle
It varies a lot with affix and group and dungeon
grizzled owl
why the fuck did I get good weapon today 😢
balmy condor
fallow otter
Tricks is love, tricks is life
I go to press tricks still... Muscle memory strong
stoic needle
I can't imagine playing without tricks and stealth now
tender fjord
For me, the lower the dungeon the more easy it is for my dps to fall off
slow marsh
I only trust green if it starts with W
slow marsh
K is fine too
fallow otter
WOJIYAMA?
stoic needle
For me, the lower the dungeon the more easy it is for my dps to fall off
Yup, stuff dies quicker
slow marsh
Na tbh I never look in the other two spec channels so I just haven't gotten exposure
To them
balmy condor
kojiyama isn't a spec guy
stoic needle
I feel like I'm gonna have to push my own 15 before I can actually get accepted into a 15 pug
stoic needle
But I'd like to see what I could do in a 16/17+
slow marsh
So just how confident are we in the new doomblade then. Obviously they are very good numbers
balmy condor
we are confident
strange python
where da lie doe 
slow marsh
I just never expected a small boostie in the bleed dmg to improve it so much
balmy condor
imagine spelling my name correctly
strange python
wefuihasuidfghaerg'
slow marsh
And is it only when paired with venthyr?
balmy condor
stoic needle
I just never expected a small boostie in the bleed dmg to improve it so much
100% agreed, but somehow the bleed is 50% of the damage increase from the leggo
strange python
its late 
stoic needle
Nah it's good with every cov
slow marsh
Just best with venthyr
stoic needle
Venthyr is simming bis for every rogue spec now
But yeah the haste from flag will make the doomblade dot do more dmg
slow marsh
100% agreed, but somehow the bleed is 50% of the damage increase from the leggo
Yeah I knew it was a 50% buff to the leggo but still seemed to be not a lot of % considering our muti doesn't really hit that hard
Hmmm
Gonna wait till after heroic and reroll then
balmy condor
doomblade was already stronger than zold single target slightly
and the dot part of it was 50% of the damage
and then it got buffed
slow marsh
I mean yeah but it should be next week or the week after at the latest right?
viral meadow
wait wait wait. hol up
stoic needle
I doubt that
balmy condor
2-3 weeks
slow marsh
Oh rip
viral meadow
am I crafting doomblade now
slow marsh
K
balmy condor
am I crafting doomblade now
wanna do big single target?
stoic needle
am I crafting doomblade now
You want doomblade and zoldyck
slow marsh
Good then it gives me time to save ash
balmy condor
3% higher than zold
slow marsh
I guess it's actually significant
tender fjord
I feel like I'm gonna have to push my own 15 before I can actually get accepted ...
I know it’s a small sample but try to start a group for a 14 key, then start a group for a 15 key. You’ll get insane amount of applications for a 15 and just a few for 14
stoic needle
The real question is what do I craft when I have 235 zold and doomblade 
slow marsh
I mean if it's enough to push us into 7k territory I'm down
tender fjord
Lots of ksm chasers
stoic needle
I know it’s a small sample but try to start a group for a 14 key, then start a g...
Man I noticed going from 13 to 14
balmy condor
The real question is what do I craft when I have 235 zold and doomblade <:peepoS...
MA?
slow marsh
The shiv leggo
silver raptor
Stonks
stoic needle
Absolutely not
slow marsh
You think I'm memeing
stoic needle
It'd still be less than a shadowstrike wdym
tender fjord
Competition on 15’s is very high, I’d say try to get your own group together and push your own
slow marsh
Sim it
stoic needle
That's how bad ttb is
slow marsh
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
stoic needle
Competition on 15’s is very high, I’d say try to get your own group together and...
Yeah I'm working on it this week
Maybe I'll max out ma and then push for 1800
But I could probably get 1800 without maxing it
warped plank
Gang, before I get too far into NF, should I make the switch to venthyr? Or stick with sepsis..?
tender fjord
@balmy condor I know you’ll dislike this question, but do you mind telling what you’re gonna do:
Pre craft Doomblade?
Switch to Venthyr to rack up renown already before the patch hits?
Or see how it turns out live first
balmy condor
I don't mind that question at all :P
stoic needle
Imagine not having 25 venthyr renown already 
balmy condor
I'm personally going to swap to venthyr, and pre-craft doomblade
lapis jungle
is IQD any good for assa?
tender fjord
I don't mind that question at all :P
Thought you would because of the !bis things I read back from last night 😅😂
stoic needle
Very
balmy condor
is IQD any good for assa?
yes
stoic needle
Haste good
balmy condor
Thought you would because of the !bis things I read back from last night 😅😂
what does that have to do with it
tender fjord
I'm personally going to swap to venthyr, and pre-craft doomblade
After patch 9.05 hits live or now already?
stoic needle
IQD gives giga haste
balmy condor
I'm swapping like 1-2 weeks from the patch
tender fjord
Because everybody’s situation is different and there is no one size fits all
balmy condor
well sure
lapis jungle
thanks
merry adder
i have IQD macroed to shadow blades on sub and it can get ridiculous
could prob macro to vendetta then? shorter cd but
balmy condor
but the issue with BiS was that it was causing people to "bis list item good everything else bad"
what I'm doing personally is whatever
slow marsh
i have IQD macroed to shadow blades on sub and it can get ridiculous
could prob...
Leave it on its own bind imo
stoic needle
i have IQD macroed to shadow blades on sub and it can get ridiculous
could prob...
Personally I think it's worth giving your trinkets a separate bind
balmy condor
I think it's well known that I'm not a world first raider or a giga dungeon runner or anything
I'm just an average guy
stoic needle
Just an average catboy who likes to sim
balmy condor
true
tender fjord
Outspoken person in the community who doesn’t shy away from a direct discussion
indigo mulch
How is sin comparing to outlaw on cleave after the ptr changes? 😮
slow marsh
Tbh idk why you don't stream your crazy frankenstein experiment sims
balmy condor
How is sin comparing to outlaw on cleave after the ptr changes? 😮
still weaker
slow marsh
I'd watch that shit
balmy condor
Tbh idk why you don't stream your crazy frankenstein experiment sims
I have in the past
merry adder
Personally I think it's worth giving your trinkets a separate bind
i macroed it to SB since it shared a cooldown tbh
balmy condor
I actually streamed a lot of beta simming
stoic needle
Simming is much more boring than you think
slow marsh
I mean yeah. But talking about it
stoic needle
10% seems like
indigo mulch
I just cba playing outlaw more ;c it makes me sad inside.
stoic needle
i macroed it to SB since it shared a cooldown tbh
Yeah, it's nice if you forget to pop one or the other, but there may be times where it's better to save one of the two so it's best to have them separate
balmy condor
I mean yeah. But talking about it
I'm gonna be looking at flag APL a little and testing some other stuff, I'll stream that at some point
maybe friday
tender fjord
but the issue with BiS was that it was causing people to "bis list item good eve...
Yeah I don’t get those people but at the same time I think “their loss”, as long as they don’t blame the community afterwards
merry adder
hmm you have a point yeah
i definitely forget tho. add go brrr
stoic needle
I made a weakaura that reminds me to pop my trinkets and it helps a lot
balmy condor
or I'll stream it before raid on thursday
stoic needle
Just makes a pop-up of the trinket icon glowing on my screen when I'm in combat and it's not on CD
tender fjord
IQD has too many uses to bind to another ability imo
merry adder
i tend to line it up for burst windows so thats why its macrod usually
tender fjord
You can save someone’s life with it
slow marsh
If you guys use luxthos WA (which I've noticed a lot don't) he makes a WA for trinkets that's helped me a lot
tender fjord
At least mine was saved two times this week 😂
stoic needle
Custom WA gang
Those all in one wa packs just do too much
I'm a personal resource display gamer now
slow marsh
I wish I could make WA myself but I'm lazy and not that into it
I just customize templates to my lijing
Liking
slow marsh
I had my stuff in a similar spot but moved it down so I could actually see what I'm standing in. But all in all it's quite similar
stoic needle
Mine moves around depending on my zoom and camera angle
That's why I like it
Otherwise it's pretty standard
slow marsh
Nice that's cool
stoic needle
Blizzard has one built in but it's ugly
slow marsh
Yeah I'm not a fan of any of the default blizz stuff I think
strange python
I was streaming raid in discord and one of my friends that doesn't play MMOs was looking at my DBM/WA's and just like "What is hard about this you just have mods telling you what button to press"
and im just sitting there like
stoic needle
slow marsh
Kek
slow marsh
The sad part is that there actually are people who want a WA to tell them what to press next based on the current state
And someone made some
strange python
u mean like those garbage rotation helpers
slow marsh
Yeop
stoic needle
I tried to make one that tells me when I don't have enough dots up but I couldn't quite execute it properly
So I just tab dot everything that moves
balmy condor
you'd be surprised how good those rotation helpers are gooten
koji makes one
and it's surprisingly good
based on simc APL
slow marsh
I mean just depends on who's writing the script
feral merlin
Probably depends on the class and spec as well
slow marsh
And if they care to keep it up to date
stoic needle
I feel like sin is simple enough that you don't really need one
feral merlin
Well having pandemic alert at a combo point amount is basically that
stoic needle
Speaking of rotations @balmy condor how much of a gain is it to pool for envenoms, like not envenoming unless you're gonna overcap in-between shivs?
strange python
lol
I looked at the sin rogue rotation helper for hekili
it was literally just a game of DDR on screen
where u hit mutilate a bunch
celest ruin
everyone comparing covenant dps diff
the real question is which covenant has best weapon transmog
slow marsh
Venthyr
stoic needle
Venthyr
slow marsh
Best everything mog
feral merlin
Necro best mail
strange python
I like the necrolord leather set but its cause I like the icky gross green stuff
slow marsh
Necro plate is sick
quaint phoenix
Its def flower man for me😅
stoic needle
Necrolord leather would be fine if it didn't have the dumb arm sticking out of the shoulder
slow marsh
First time I looked at Necro leather I keked out loud
stoic needle
And the mask sucks
strange python
I think the night fae leather set looks gross though
quaint phoenix
100.1%
stoic needle
The nf leather is trash
feral merlin
Nf is basically all trash
strange python
yeah the night fae mogs are either just boring/uninspired or downright ugly
slow marsh
The half helm is stupid and the limb out of shoulder is stupid imo
strange python
their weapon enchants are terrible too
quaint phoenix
Ok i changed my mind.
Guess im prefering venthyr now
strange python
really disappointing
feral merlin
The maw leather set is amazing tho for next tier
celest ruin
nf leather was designed for druids and thats it
quaint phoenix
Its the head of a bug
slow marsh
But it is a specific aesthetic
quaint phoenix
Noice
merry fox
stoic needle
It doesn't make sense and it doesn't look good
quaint phoenix
That fist weapon ist nice if you wanna scratch your back
slow marsh
That's just recolor legendary we already have
celest ruin
where is this from
stoic needle
Maw raid
lean coral
We don't have it tho cause we can't mog it
celest ruin
is that for leather?
slow marsh
Tier set????? 🙏
feral merlin
9.1
stoic needle
Probably not a tier set
stoic needle
It will looks like shit on my goblin anyway
That's what you get for rolling goblin
lean coral
Nah they said tiers were later
slow marsh
Don't crush my dreams bro
feral merlin
<:SucksMan:586205462010003456>
Like everything on gobs 
stoic needle
Nathria leather is too similar to dashing scoundrel
slow marsh
I literally race changed from gnome because mog
me
slow marsh
But to be fair when I made it transmog didn't exist
stoic needle
That's fair
slow marsh
And I was sad about losing my perfect name but oh well it was worth
stoic needle
I'm glad that some people enjoy gnomes and goblins but you'll never catch me playing one of those abominations
feral merlin
I'm curious how they're gonna implement all the colors tho
stoic needle
Different difficulties
merry fox
- pvp
slow marsh
Yeah same as now
merry fox
4 from raid + 2 from pvp?
stoic needle
Lfr, normal, heroic, mythic, 2 shades of pvp
feral merlin
What about the base color
pure ingot
!bis
slow marsh
So lfr, norm, heroic, mythic, pvp
stoic needle
Ye that's the legendaries
pure ingot
Doesn't exist anymore use top gear/droptimizer
okok thx
proven patrol
Hey guys, new here. If i have a limited amount of soul ash (2.5k). I have a 210 MA leggo. My main goal is raiding, however i do really like M+. What do i craft second, Doom in light of recent buffs or rather Zol?
feral merlin
Zol, we still have plenty of time and ash to gather
You can probably have both at 235 by then but thats a wild guess lol
225 for sure
proven patrol
Thank you, follow up question. Any reason for crafting 210(other than stats ofc) over just going 190 and then straight to r4 when i have the ash?
slow marsh
If you have the gold to spend and need the stats for a week or two then go for it
feral merlin
I mean ilvl looks good when you pug
proven patrol
Fair, thanks guys.
strange python
wow 80k for the 235 umbrahide leggins on tarren mill i guess my zoldy will have to wait
stoic needle
You can just skin the mats yourself and find a crafter
strange python
yea the leather stuff is expensive af
and if ur on a small realm gl finding a crafter
to make it for u
even on area 52 it took me forever to find a jewelcrafter to make my max rank ring for me with my mats
like 2 days of begging like a poor sap in trade
lol
clothies got it easy
all of their base armors are cheap af
strange python
oh you can? wtf
tropic ocean
spend valor points on mats?
XD
torpid spoke
Is doomblade going to be bis lol
torpid spoke
Daaammmnnnn
200 dps above outlaw in venthyr seems p good
But you lose soul shape...
signal gulch
no korayn
merry adder
oh, will zold still stay overall bis or?
balmy condor
Yeah
stark heart
Idk, doomblade looks like Akaari of Assa - slightly higher st but impractical otherwise
torpid spoke
Are you going going to go venthyr @balmy condor
balmy condor
Idk, doomblade looks like Akaari of Assa - slightly higher st but impractical ot...
Problem is that “slightly higher” is over 3%
balmy condor
Are you going going to go venthyr <@167090536602140682>
Yes
somber wyvern
https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=51667/cut-to-the-chase is that for the next patch guys ?
balmy condor
https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=51667/cut-to-the-chase is that for the next patch ...
Yes
stoic needle
Idk, doomblade looks like Akaari of Assa - slightly higher st but impractical ot...
Akaaris vs finality is more like .5% to 1%
torpid spoke
And more energy regeneration for venomous wounds
stoic needle
So this is a pretty noticeable difference
stark heart
I mean if I am at the start of the tier I'd still probably not craft it, guess later on if I know it's best for last boss
torpid spoke
Does it roughly equal the same post 10% energy regen?
strange python
whispyr and venthyr both have the same amount of characters and end in "yr" 
some would say it's a coincidence but I know better
balmy condor
Does it roughly equal the same post 10% energy regen?
Yes, we have pins as well
torpid spoke
@balmy condor didn’t see oops
somber wyvern
i saw that critical strike on poisons leg is good too on bloodmallet, why nobody use it ?
stoic needle
I'd say the vw buff is just better because you don't have to press snd to actually have energy
balmy condor
i saw that critical strike on poisons leg is good too on bloodmallet, why nobody...
What?
somber wyvern
let me find english name x)
balmy condor
Like crafting with the stat crit?
stark heart
Problem is that “slightly higher” is over 3%
At least from Mystler sims diff is 60 dps, that's below 1% tho
somber wyvern
audacious blabla ? legendary name envenom increase 15% cs of poisons and grants energy
merry adder
hehe well, at least i was already venthyr bc i joined for aesthetic o/
small blessings
broken flame
Probably asked already: But will Venthyr be viable in 9.0.5 cause of the haste buff?
balmy condor
At least from Mystler sims diff is 60 dps, that's below 1% tho
Mystlers sims don’t even show zoldyck it’s so far down home boy
balmy condor
Probably asked already: But will Venthyr be viable in 9.0.5 cause of the haste b...
Pins
stark heart
Huh?
broken flame
Thanks @balmy condor
balmy condor
Huh?
The sims in #tc-research right
They don’t have zold anywhere on there
Because the highest zold combination is actually just off the page
stark heart
How's that relevant to doomblade tho?
torpid spoke
Doomblade looks more fun anyways
stark heart
4th row is dashing
stark heart
Which is applicable to more situations than doomblade
torpid spoke
What slot to put doomblade on?
balmy condor
Is it applicable to more situations?
balmy condor
What slot to put doomblade on?
Shoulders
If you’re able to get 233 shoulders you would go hands
torpid spoke
Sick maybe I’ll pre make them
stark heart
It is. You gain benefit on all targets and more energy from it in aoe
loud silo
yeah the night fae mogs are either just boring/uninspired or downright ugly
bit of a late response but the NF plate set looks pretty good
stark heart
Better than doomblade I am sure, i get all my poisons to crit more often
torpid spoke
Do you think you venomous wounds will affect the mutilate bleed?
balmy condor
And you can just as easily spread doomblade dot, we mut on 3 target anyway
Dashing might be slightly stronger in cleave
But then in cleave you would go zoldyck again
torpid spoke
Because internal bleed is counted in venomous wounds
stark heart
Doom is rolling dot, spreading it doesn't really increase dps
balmy condor
Do you think you venomous wounds will affect the mutilate bleed?
From doomblade? No
loud silo
wait hold up are we getting tier sets back?
balmy condor
Doom is rolling dot, spreading it doesn't really increase dps
Yeah I guess
strange python
ion said in a Q&A that he wanted to bring them back but we wont see them right away
yea
stark heart
If that dot affected vw then maybe
torpid spoke
Did the sim use duskwalkers? @balmy condor
balmy condor
Gonna have to be more specific in the sim you’re referring to
balmy condor
The one I have posted says zold, the link to TC research has the highest combinations in total, and fuu’s is a direct comparison to the 3 legendaries listed
honest quest
guys assa is a dead spec right now?
strange python
I blew my ash all over zoldyk and im not sure if im ever even gonna play this spec 
honest quest
how about m+
tropic ocean
and outlaw*
loud silo
just because a spec isnt meta doesnt mean its dead
loud silo
except survival hunter
balmy condor
It’s about sub level in m+
honest quest
guys some abilities give me a chance to use stealth abilities without stealth but i dont have access to stealth actionbar while i'm not stealth what should ido
proper sage
not really
loud silo
survival hunter is the chad spec for hunters
tropic ocean
fix ur bars/keybinds
loud silo
but god damn is it a meme
proper sage
w.e. numbers surv can put out MM does it better
tropic ocean
cool
strange python
survival pumps in keys but there's still like no reason to take it over other melee
but if yo uwanna play it and have a group
that will take you
go for it
tropic ocean
u can pug it as well
but thats 2 much iq for most
met this guy in pug
pumping 7-8k overall
only issue is the already rare melee slot, but not dps
loud silo
challenge for the hardcore gamers, get KSM with a survival hunter purely from pugging
strange python
u could do it but u would just be sitting in LFG for a long ass time
loud silo
dont get me wrong ive seen a couple pumper survival hunters in keys before
tropic ocean
and definetely not for ksm