assassination

[solar hare]

Is fucking sick

[dense hamlet]

i wanna switch to venthyr

if i do it in 9.1

do i have to catch up like 100 renown?

[hollow escarp]

I wanna play all covenants on my main this expac

[limber lion]

Who knows

[dense hamlet]

wdym all on my main

[hollow escarp]

well first tier I played night fae

hopefully next tier I get to play something else

[cinder yoke]

40 more renown levels in 9.1

[dense hamlet]

oh

[cinder yoke]

plus flying is tied to the covenant campaign so you would want to pre switch or switch after you got flying

[hollow escarp]

I have alts on all covenants, but my main is my main

[dense hamlet]

i wanna play venthyr all of the expantion

but i dont wanna see on meeters someone is outdamaging me just cuz hes nf or kiryan

[solar hare]

Heres a better picture

Idc what anyone says

Thats

[limber lion]

You will literally never see that

[hollow escarp]

[dense hamlet]

wdym

[limber lion]

Because thr covenants don't do shit

[cinder yoke]

^

[limber lion]

It's your gameplay that matters.

[dense hamlet]

covenants dont do shit

i mean

[limber lion]

"oh he's higher than me, must be night fae"

No dog

[dense hamlet]

if u compare a 100 parse to a 100 parse

[limber lion]

He's just better

[hollow escarp]

I have a venthyr rogue in my guild and he is not below me on damage because I'm night fae

[dense hamlet]

and nf is higher

[hollow escarp]

only because he plays sub

[little current]

which legendary should i craft for assa pvp? dashing scoundral or doomblade?

[solar hare]

Master assassin

[hollow escarp]

hmm

[solar hare]

[dense hamlet]

i literallly simmed

if i go venthyr rn

i lose 150 st

its ALOT

[hollow escarp]

it's more for me

Palegos is 200 dps less for me than Niya

[solar hare]

150 isnt something to rly scoff at

[limber lion]

It's the old iteration anyways

[dense hamlet]

and god knows how much for aoe

[solar hare]

Probably less for aoe

% wise

[dense hamlet]

i think its more

[hollow escarp]

would check some top pvp-ers what they use or ask in #pvp in case you don't find answers here

[solar hare]

Actually, i was just thinking about the ability itself

Not soulbinds

Ye

Ur right

[dense hamlet]

yeah i mean the soulbinds

[hollow escarp]

rogue covenant abilities

[dense hamlet]

the abilitys almost do nothing

[limber lion]

Yeah the soulbinds are the shit

[solar hare]

Im going kyrian next week

But i dont play sin 🙂

[limber lion]

The abilities themselves are whatever

[solar hare]

Outlaw cuckeroo

[limber lion]

Ew go back to #outlaw

[hollow escarp]

in theory all rogue covenant abilities look interesting to me

too bad no damage

[dense hamlet]

why isnt the sickest one not the best one

[hollow escarp]

sepsis is

[limber lion]

I disagree. I think they're all boring as fuck. I'd much rather take something cool like slappy hands, convoke, spirits, ashen hallow etc.

It's so minimal and boring

[solar hare]

Which is the sickest

[dense hamlet]

i mean i dont realy care

we wont get thsoe anyways

for rog

[limber lion]

Like ok we're rogues and it's supposed to be small and stealthy

[dense hamlet]

so why think

[limber lion]

But it's literally nothing atm.

[dense hamlet]

if i could play venthyr without losing anything

[hollow escarp]

rogues wanted Ravenholdt in Legion, we got Dalaran Sewers

[low girder]

When one soulbind node does more dmg than your covenant ability

Feelsrogueman

[limber lion]

But your ability also increases your mastery by alot which in overall increases your damage much more than the last soulbind will

But yeaj, agree

[hollow escarp]

as NF

[dense hamlet]

okay im simming venthyr if its less than 200 i will fucking switch i dont care

oh fuck

the command table

[limber lion]

Good luck

[dense hamlet]

oh no

[hollow escarp]

have fun farming renown

it's not bad btw

[dense hamlet]

well for renown u can do normal dungeons

man i lost a mission to get the trinket that gave like 800 mastery

my life was like hell

[low girder]

Have fun farming anima*

[limber lion]

Anima is literally useless

[dense hamlet]

farming anima isnt the biggest thing

[limber lion]

Renown actually opens soulbinds

[low girder]

Well yeah

[dense hamlet]

u get 1k for clearing raid

[low girder]

But the renown is hilariously easy

Rebuilding all the shit is what takes time

[dense hamlet]

okay im not switching

fml

XD

[hollow escarp]

I have a venthyr rogue alt, you know what I miss the most there?

[dense hamlet]

gear

[hollow escarp]

using soulshape inside the covenant sanctum

[dense hamlet]

use doorof shadows

[hollow escarp]

and gear, it's 185 or something

yeah, I play the double door

[solar hare]

How do i get renown quick

[viral meadow]

I M M E R S I O N

[hollow escarp]

raids

[solar hare]

Im swapping back to kyrian this reset

[dense hamlet]

man i have a monk that is 210 i couldve had a rogue thats venthyr

FUCk

[solar hare]

And im like

5 renown

And mythic raid the same day

[hollow escarp]

take a day off work

[low girder]

Dungeons I believe

[solar hare]

Ya i heard people say dungeon bosses give it

[hollow escarp]

you get a lot in raids if you are behind, storyline also unlocks a lot of renown

[solar hare]

Ya

Bro

Since ik im going back to kyrian

[low girder]

Yeah storyline is required

[solar hare]

I havent turned in any anima

From this week alone

And i have 4.5k

[hollow escarp]

buy gear

[solar hare]

[hollow escarp]

and sell it

after you transfer

[solar hare]

Ye im saying i have 4.5k in my bags

[hollow escarp]

and pray they haven't fixed it

[solar hare]

Of raw anima shit

[hollow escarp]

not sure how that works

[solar hare]

I mean ill just be able to turn it in to the new cov but

Im saying this anima drop buff

Is absurd

[dense hamlet]

yes u get alot

[hollow escarp]

at least I won't get capped on souls next week

[solar hare]

In reality tho, the cov upgrades are kinda shit

And useless

[hollow escarp]

I have like 70+ souls and all buildings at rank 2

cap is 100

[solar hare]

I have over 100 somehow

Peak game design

[hollow escarp]

so my addon is bugged

this is on an alt

so it's not addon

[gentle gyro]

is there some hast value where i can get out 4 garrotes during subterfuge window?

[balmy condor]

no

rogue gcd is capped at 1 second

[gentle gyro]

damnit

[balmy condor]

1 second is also the hard cap for gcds outside of adrenaline rush

just in the game

in total

[hollow escarp]

you can garrote 6 targets with vanish 🙂

[gentle gyro]

jst looking for ways to make my m+ runs less atrocious

[balmy condor]

I'm not sure what that means

[gentle gyro]

that I don't like my damageoutput in dungeons

[balmy condor]

idk man

are you running CT

[gentle gyro]

i sure am

[balmy condor]

and how much are you doing with what ilvl

[gentle gyro]

and I'm not saying it's bad just that it could be better

[hollow escarp]

the thing with assa in M+ is that you feel the need to have every target dotted but that's not always the case if you have enough bleeds up to keep energy rolling

[gentle gyro]

it's more a feels thing. shit dies before i can setup everything i want

[hollow escarp]

I used to focus so much on bleeding stuff that I often forgot to envenom and that's not good

in what key levels does stuff die so fast?

[gentle gyro]

just running ~10s, it's technically just an alt

[hollow escarp]

if you do enough damage and use your utility properly in M+, you'll be fine

can't overoptimize dots that much

but I know your pain 😄

[gentle gyro]

also can blizz finally fix that shit where it disconnects you if you get ported back to the NF garden, ty

wait a minute, to upgrade my conduits to 213 i have to do...+15 keys?

[balmy condor]

no

you have to go to venari

[gentle gyro]

so either clear 15s or play the lottery

why do these things exist again?

[balmy condor]

no you like actually can't get 213+ potencies as drops

they don't exist

[gentle gyro]

wowhead says 213s drop from +15 and it was confirmed multiple times on streams

[balmy condor]

I've run 15's and not gotten potencies

as have many many people in here man

9.0.5 will add them to the raid drops

[scarlet sequoia]

i’ve seen it too flint, don’t listen to him

[stark heart]

I haven't seen a single 213 potency dropped in m+

[balmy condor]

raz

[gentle gyro]

i mean i have 213s on my priest but hell if i know where i got them from

[balmy condor]

not potencies

that's for sure

endurance and finesse conduits drop from raid

heroic at 213, mythic at 226, just like the items from there

potency conduits however are dungeon drops, and +15 drops 210

213 is unobtainable

[stark heart]

I mean Venari random stuff

[balmy condor]

yeh

venari gamble

[hollow escarp]

can confirm, ALL potency above 200 come from Venari

it's only 60k stygia

1 upgrade every 2 days

[balmy condor]

the real question is

who in their right mind

[hollow escarp]

don't

[balmy condor]

would waste stygia on rolling for conduits

that are only like 8 dps up

[hollow escarp]

but they are 226

[balmy condor]

not unless you fucking bought all the 213's their not

[gentle gyro]

are they so minor?

[balmy condor]

yes

for rogue at least

[hollow escarp]

I'm almost done with all 213s

[balmy condor]

cto is an outlier

[covert creek]

[balmy condor]

that one gives 12 dps

[hollow escarp]

when I hit exalted I dumped all my stygia into sockets

[balmy condor]

F your stygia homie holy shit

[hollow escarp]

I have a spare one in bag when I get a bis item

I have nothing to socket and already got 3 items socketed

[desert canyon]

I bought conduits bc my gear is so shit that i dont want to put a socket on it

[balmy condor]

you realize you can socket more than 3 items right

[hollow escarp]

6 or 7

[balmy condor]

6

[hollow escarp]

helm, neck, belt, and rings

what else?

[balmy condor]

waist

wait

you said that

uh

[hollow escarp]

[scarlet sequoia]

wrist

[balmy condor]

yeah

[hollow escarp]

ohh yeah

[balmy condor]

wrist

I'd be happy never going into the maw to stygia farm again tbh

[hollow escarp]

I could buy the BoE bracers

[balmy condor]

I do my weeklies and gtfo

[hollow escarp]

I try to do dailies but sometimes I get lazy

like this week

[balmy condor]

I just can't justify it

mental go boom

[hollow escarp]

it's not worth

I'm just addicted to this stuff

I also enjoyed artifact power

don't ban me

[gentle gyro]

you could get AP from everywhere

but the maw

is just trash

trash tier zone with trash tier gameplay

[hollow escarp]

if it was from callings, I would think it would be great

like valor will be

you get raw gold for consumables and valor points

I think the rank 1 azerite neck level is still farming AP

[gentle gyro]

dafuq

[limber lion]

I just opened up WoW and all my settings have been reset. System settings, addon settings, elvui settings, ALL WEAKAURAS - gone

[gentle gyro]

i mean you can still use it in timewalking

[limber lion]

Well, guess I'm not raiding today

[balmy condor]

backup?

[gentle gyro]

profiles also gone?

[limber lion]

I wish I had a backup.

No system restore points either.

[balmy condor]

well then you're the dumbass aren't you

[limber lion]

For sure.

[gentle gyro]

system restore points don't backup private files anyways

[limber lion]

Lesson learned that's for sure.

I do have a backup from 2 years ago.

[hollow escarp]

happened to me when I made my NA account, all my macros on EU were deleted

[limber lion]

Let's see how that works out.

[balmy condor]

oof

that's probably not worth

tbh

[gentle gyro]

I'm a programmer so I'm a tiny bit obesessed with backups

[hollow escarp]

I remake my UI every 3-6 months, a 2 year backup will be like a family photo album

[gentle gyro]

one backup is no backup

why again are the venari conduit things unique?

[limber lion]

I've spent countless hours on my UI and WeakAuras. I've just been modifying and adding stuff for 4 years now.

[hollow escarp]

I even backup my screenshots

[balmy condor]

because fun gameplay

[limber lion]

Oh well, time to try something new I guess :--)

[hollow escarp]

for extended time playing the game while flying to Oribos

you can always sub to your favorite streamer for a new UI

[limber lion]

I can't stand doing Maw at this point anymore and I'm still missing 2 sockets :--(

[hollow escarp]

I don't even have the mount yet

[gentle gyro]

or be like me

standard UI

[hollow escarp]

did first 6 wings of corridors the week it came out and never touched it again

[hollow escarp]

it's not standard if your unitframe is not on top left

[balmy condor]

[hollow escarp]

[gentle gyro]

tbh i could move it back there

it's just force of habit because my healer has its UF there

[balmy condor]

do you at least have weakauras?

[gentle gyro]

i have dbm/wa's and some other stuff

[hollow escarp]

[balmy condor]

okay well at least there's that then

[gentle gyro]

but generally speaking, nothing major

[balmy condor]

wa's is major

[hollow escarp]

I do hide my weak auras out of combat

[balmy condor]

wa's is like 80% of my ui

[hollow escarp]

I hate having them in the middle of my screen

[balmy condor]

I hide mine out of combat too

[hollow escarp]

only keep some cooldowns and poisons out of combat

[balmy condor]

I hide everything out of combat actually

[gentle gyro]

i have like a WA to track prideful, a WA that shows healer mana and...some cds on my priest

[hollow escarp]

I like that a lot

[gentle gyro]

nothing for my rogue actually

what would I even track

[hollow escarp]

tbf, I could see myself going on 3 basic weakauras

garrote, rupture and envenom buff

[balmy condor]

dots, dots, more dots, pandemic timer, cooldowns

energy, combo points

[gentle gyro]

i see energy / cp on my personal resource display, provided by blizz

[hollow escarp]

I try to return to standard UI every now and then but I keep adding elvui elements over time

[gentle gyro]

I'm healing in a mythic guild, I use the default raidframes

because they show everything i need to know

i'd argue better than most raidframe addons. only one i ever tried was grid2

and you have to set up everything yourself

why bother when the base functionality does the job good enough

Oh, I have one WA that yells at me to kill the NF Pod in Arenas

[hollow escarp]

I can't find a screenshot of my ui because I rarely do screenshots in combat

[gentle gyro]

that's one of m advantages i suppose, if you disabled all addons tomorrow it's likely I wouldn't even notice

[royal lantern]

bruh

default UI for healing is the best

simply because you 100%wont get those weird" uhm my ui didnt show me that" moment

like, ofc customize it too make it better

but default ui=best

[viral meadow]

does vanish reset first strike koryan soulbind?

[soft shale]

no it does not

[viral meadow]

blizz cmon

[feral merlin]

This. WAs has replaced almost everything

[somber nymph]

Why does it feel like mutilates energy cost is way to high compared to energy gain atm?

[oblique flare]

i think mainly because it's mostly either only 2 cp or 4 usually

and if it's 3 it's still eh

[lament dove]

got invited to a dungeon and got asked if I have MA and know what to do with it... I'm starting to get disgusted with the game

[viral meadow]

but

did you know what to do with it?

[lament dove]

as assa?

[viral meadow]

sarcastic

[raven locust]

Those people are rare and far between, definitely not enough to get disgusted by

[viral meadow]

was it NW?

[lament dove]

yeah:)

[raven locust]

They could have just been asking out of curiosity, I doubt they were patronizing you, no need to immediately assume the worst

[viral meadow]

yeah you can use MA to 100% crit with the weps

[primal zinc]

can i ask a quick question for raid weapon buffs both aoe and ST?

[viral meadow]

although it's getting removed soon

[primal zinc]

whats better? 2x shadowcore or 1 shadow 1 stone?...and what about pots?

whats better for aoe and for ST? phantom fire or agi

[raven locust]

Anything you could want to know is in the Pins

[viral meadow]

you can sim all that if you want

but they're so close

[primal zinc]

no pins about weapon buffs

[raven locust]

They're in the guides in the pins

[primal zinc]

i cant find how to sim differene pots and weapon buffs

[raven locust]

They're right there for weapon buffs (:

[low girder]

You can also paste this into advanced sim under your simc paste

https://pastebin.com/0CnXcRR1

[primal zinc]

so the best is main hand shadow oil/offhand stone and pot phantom fire
for ST
and cleave
all around aoe is 2x stones and agi pot

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

I've ALWAYS simmed 2x Sharpening Stone and Spectral Agi higher on all content.

Sim yourself for best results.

[celest ruin]

can you block xymox mc ghosts with cloak?

[iron orchid]

yes

[dry bridge]

Hey guys ,, is rogue lacking in aoe , i mean even with tanks like pala dh as ass and sub even outlaw sometimes or i am mistaken

[raven locust]

Outlaw is very strong atm

[royal lantern]

for m+ rogue is good

or more like, outlaw is good

for raiding you could argure that its the worst class in the game atm tbh

pvp is pvp, who cares about that

[hollow escarp]

have you guys at least tried assassination in M+?

I played both and I always had more damage on prides and bosses as sin

[dry bridge]

Im getting smashed as assassin in 3 targets in m+ by tanks ,,, so i guess im just bad xD

[hollow escarp]

that's just the initial burst

once mobs live more, assa damage is decent in aoe

[primal zinc]

even PURE ST?

[limber lion]

Yes.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uzUAQ7HUAuUepKrD7Abv7w
Here's my 5min patchwork sim

Feast + Spectral Agi + Stone/Stone

[primal zinc]

ty caverion

btw i have 760 haste and crit sims higher for upgrades

stat weight haste is 1.58 and crit is 1.73

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's pretty normal. Assa needs quite a bit of crit as well to feel good. Especially in AoE.

Crit sims higher for me as well, but not quite as much as you.

[primal zinc]

as for now

is it still better dashing scounrel or? zoldyck

i did 75+ on hungering mythic

and i had 347 energy gain none wasted

75+ parse i mean 😄

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fXRnu58ajydygkyMGRgPCZ

[limber lion]

Nice, getting there 🙂

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is generally better all around. DS still better in pure ST, but just by very little.

[nocturne orchid]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[limber lion]

How did you only gain 347 energy? On my kill I got 1414 Energy from VV and 15 from Arcane Torrent

[primal zinc]

more like haste=crit >everything else

[raven locust]

No the stats are correct they just change with ilvl and gear

[nocturne orchid]

i was checking since i realized i have a fuckton of haste now

so i might change specs now

i even went venthyr

[hollow escarp]

does venthyr soulbinds sim better for you?

[primal zinc]

i have venthyr since day 1 go above 5 msgs i have sims

[nocturne orchid]

i reaslly don't know but since it had haste i thought "maybe it's better for assa"

[raven locust]

He was talking to Blac about Venthyr

[hollow escarp]

I sim almost 6k as NF but I play zoldyck

same ilvl

5989 to be more precise

[primal zinc]

the thing with venthyr atm is that you spend 2 gcds for activation and reactivation

of flag

[hollow escarp]

yeah, that's changing

[primal zinc]

sometime i make 30 charges

some time i make 26/24 depends on how many 4cp envenoms i do

cos sometimes i do mut 3cps and ambush blind side up to 5

so you spend more gcds

i dont know if the 12sec would be enough for 30 capped cps

even with no gcd on click or energy cost

i wish i had sims from ptr with the same gear

[dark marten]

where can I see which slot is best for each legendary?

[primal zinc]

!bus

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[dark marten]

thank you for your help!

[primal zinc]

😄

[manic harness]

I don't see Leggings changing as the BIS slot due to the amount if stats legs have, right?

I think I'm gonna go ahead and upgrade my 190 Zoldyck's now..

[raven locust]

Zoldyck is more versatile and provides execute which is important on a lot of bosses

Patch is still weeks out so they're likely to do more changes

[primal zinc]

i have DS 235 zoldyck 235.....doomblade 190 and im thinking of doing str8 away the crit 100% after stealth 4sec leggo....which one should i upgrade doomblade shoulders??? or ring crit?

master assassin

[raven locust]

if you pvp might as well upgrade MA

[sleek otter]

next patch doomblade with prob be BiS for pvp too

[manic harness]

I don't think MA is even gonna be good anymore

[raven locust]

Still have more than enough time to get Ash till next patch

[primal zinc]

MA is good for some "cleave" dungs too....if 4 targets 5 cp rapts to all 4 targets with poison qatar and talent last row

[pulsar sluice]

tho

[raven locust]

Qatar is a yikes

[pulsar sluice]

MA is still good, most pvpers opted for vers bonus anyway

[manic harness]

I mean say Feelcraft all you want but MA is getting a huge nerf

[raven locust]

MA is also great with Outlaw KS build

[hollow escarp]

it's not getting nerfed

it's getting fixed

[pulsar sluice]

Yeah sure, for skulkers and like one dungeon

[primal zinc]

!feelcraft xD

what about tiny tosix?

[sleek otter]

lmao

[raven locust]

Definitely better for more than one dungo

[primal zinc]

another feet slot?

[raven locust]

Tiny is garbage, the sims are in pins

[primal zinc]

sims on pins hsow that tiny is almost top

[sleek otter]

decent dmg after buff for pvp but yknow doomblade is way better

[primal zinc]

what is SBS?

[sleek otter]

oh yea hes right

Necro bleed

[pulsar sluice]

serrated bone spike yep

[manic harness]

I need to go look at the changes again

[primal zinc]

VW?

[manic harness]

Venomous Wounds

[primal zinc]

so doombalde op next patch?

[sleek otter]

Bis for pvp for sure

[primal zinc]

with inferanl blled talent

[sleek otter]

but zoldyck still best for pve

[raven locust]

Just good nowhere near op

[primal zinc]

so zoldyck=DS on next patch aswell for pve

[sleek otter]

assassination currently has best execute in the game with zoldyck, I would say overall Zoldyck is better, dont lets the sims fool u

[primal zinc]

well i mean

the top 2 for raiding is zoldyck and then DS even in the next patch

[crisp edge]

like i love how confident people are in class discord like jesus christ some people talk like they literally came from the future fucking world 1st racers make wrong predictions all the time and they have been playing this game since day how can you be so sure about some stuff that hasnt even gone live ...

[raven locust]

Don't think a single person has given that vibe off

[shrewd plinth]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[raven locust]

You ok?

[pulsar sluice]

15% on doomblade ain't gonna make it better than MA imo

it's just the bleed getting a buff and the bleed is trivial

[crisp edge]

for pvp it probably wouldnt but that will still remain on so many things specially how the meta will shift in 9.0.5

[primal zinc]

@crisp edge if you dont like the conversation we have just close ur eyes or do something else than being judgmental

[crisp edge]

@primal zinc i dont mind the conversation buddy thats why im here im just curios how can people be so sure of everything with litearlly nothing reliable in their hands beside a 3rd party engine ( that most of them dont even know how to use it )

[primal zinc]

thats why its called discussion

[raven locust]

Because they're talking about the current state of buffs, no one is saying these things will be exactly as is come patch

[primal zinc]

or "theorycraft"

[crisp edge]

i mean how often do you find people not being so sure about stuff in discord classes i kind of find that rare tbh specially from the regular ones

[primal zinc]

its just a prediction if DS or zoldyck will be still op on raids/pve content

thats all

[raven locust]

They're not even close to op

[crisp edge]

what is DS "?

[primal zinc]

lol

[sleek otter]

dashing

[primal zinc]

i mean top not op

[crisp edge]

ah scroundel

[primal zinc]

xD

[crisp edge]

i mean if your talking about the current tier it probably will remain the same but in 9.1 its gonna come down to how the raid bosses will look like avg kill timing and so many other things

maybe doomblade will show some edge in some single target scenarios idk but probably unlikely

[trim zinc]

but u gotta think about execute phase

and thats sooooo important to give up

even with another leggo have more dmg overall

[primal zinc]

thats why i said before the prios on leggos should be zoldyck/ds//doomblade///shiv/MA

[raven locust]

@trim zinc Yep the other legos would need to be a pretty decent chunk of damage to be taken over Zoldyck for that alone

[trim zinc]

ya when we could use 2 leggos we prob go zold+dashing to buff even more execute

[crisp edge]

on our level ( casual to above average meaning top 50 60 ish ) it wont matter at all cause by the time we get to those execute type of bosses raid will be overgeared so you can just prior your own dmg over providing what the raid needs

[trim zinc]

so ur acctualy inting your own group ;-;

[raven locust]

The majority of bosses have the most difficult part in the last phase so Zoldyck is just as important in casual guilds

[trim zinc]

true

even more on casual guild that poeple r not that good so u need better execute

[crisp edge]

your only inting if your playing in a guild thats completely overgeared and cant kill a boss that died months ago your execute dmg as a sin rogue should not matter at all if the guild cant kill it its not your fault its guilds fault

[raven locust]

Assassination has pretty big execute

[trim zinc]

true, but ur always gonna make everything u can to kill a boss and not farm logs

[crisp edge]

@raven locust yea but your missing the whole point your not getting what im saying

[raven locust]

I do get it, it's just bad logic

If you're using that same mentality then the rest of the guild could be as well, why even try if you're not going to play what will make the boss the easiest?

[trim zinc]

like i said even more on bad guilds zoldick is waaaay more valuable cuz people cant hand the last phase so u need execute dmg

[trim zinc]

true

everyone uses zold cuz its better in all situations and cuz the execute to make bosses die faster
even if it isnt the leggo that does more dmg at the end of the fight

[raven locust]

It's also an incredibly toxic mindset to say that it's the guilds fault and not yours when it's just a single legendary choice that makes the boss easier

[trim zinc]

imagine if all people on that guild pick the highest parse leggo instead the one that makes the boss easier

no one kill nothing

[sleek otter]

We were doing Sire last night and they were saying we werent doing enough dps when we didn't get to phase 3 in the first place and easily getting past phase 1, was really frustrating when they just said it was the Dps fault and starting kicking the people actually doing mechanics

[trim zinc]

sad

[frail fossil]

i mean that is clearly a

[sleek otter]

Like I asked for help last night cuz they were about to kick me

[frail fossil]

execute bad because the non execute legendary give me 20 more dps overall

[trim zinc]

my rl says to me "funnel ST on that guy" and thats it

[trim zinc]

L M A O

[raven locust]

Sad part is people unironically believe that @frail fossil

[frail fossil]

look at his history post, man has some nuclear takes

[dark hollow]

okay, i've hit my limit on dummy benefits and looking for takes on 4+ aoe. guidance is to keep garrote and rupt up on everything. with energy and cp build though i never find myself with enough to really do that. are we just looking to keep rolling as many as we can, and essentially never env?

[frail fossil]

in aoe you'll rarely ever env yeah

since u have so much thing to keep up

depends of the number of target but in AOE, not cleave u usually dont have really time to get some envenoms up

[trim zinc]

dont use CT?

[frail fossil]

why wouldn't u use CT ?

[trim zinc]

one question tho
after i do my first ct should i keep using it or only refresh and but rupt on?

[frail fossil]

you want to keep all your dots up so that includes CT when it's running out

[crimson palm]

you should ping koffing and ask him questions directly, he's the master of rogues

[trim zinc]

so i dont spam ct just for the dmg

hmm i was kinda doing that

[celest ruin]

tfw your tank dcs at 10% remaining

[nocturne orchid]

oof

[sly elk]

So I was thinking about it

And keeping in mind, I'm not a veteran assassin player. I'm pretty new, so I might be off base here

With the cttc changes and the energy changes, over the course of a 9 minute fight, that's going to be a lot of extra energy we have to play with

[gusty mirage]

A lot of extra CP moreso

[trim zinc]

its like more 10 envenons

no?

[sly elk]

It might seem marginal when considered small scale, but an extra 2 energy every bleed tick (roughly every 2 seconds) over the course of 9 minutes will give you about 270 extra energy overall, plus the extra 25 energy every 45 seconds from not having to cast SnD, thats an extra 300 energy off the top

So you're looking at roughly 600 extra energy to play around with over the current rotation over the course of a 9 minute fight

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn’t know tbh, is cut coming back in 9.0.5 or 9.1? I haven’t been keeping up too closely

[raven locust]

We lost the 10% passive energy, it comes up to roughly the same energy

[gusty mirage]

Now if they could just make CT baseline and rework the last row of talents 🙂

[topaz saffron]

CT not being baseline is a crime

[sly elk]

Even considering us losing the 10%, it's still net positive overall

[gusty mirage]

Esp because we save a ton of CP with the management of snd

[raven locust]

It's a net gain about 180ish dps but not as much energy as you were thinking

[oblique flare]

having PB and CT would be godly

[raven locust]

Most of the dps comes from the extra Envenoms we get

[sly elk]

It's actually exactly as much energy as I was thinking lol

It's math, so there's not much variance

[gusty mirage]

They ended up giving sub a baseline aoe finisher, so there’s hope

[sly elk]

Essentially, assuming you maintain dots, the energy change to wounds alone covers the 10% loss

Meaning any energy you get from not casting SnD is gravy

[raven locust]

Again you're not account for the lost 10% energy, sure thats the energy you gain from the extra 2 a tick but you lost out on the passive energy

[sly elk]

I am accounting for it

[raven locust]

It literally comes up to about the same energy as live

[sly elk]

Energy is 1 every decasecond (roughly 10 a second). Venomous wound change gives us an extra 2 every 2 seconds

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but he’s also factoring in not having to push snd as often

[sly elk]

It's very basic division to note that the 10% gain (1 energy a second) = 2 energy every 2 seconds

You're gaining 10 energy every second instead of 11, but every time your bleeds tick roughly every 2 seconds, you're making that energy up. The only time it's less is if you're not maintaining both garrote and rupture

Also, unless something happened and they got rid of haste affecting DoT time, that's assuming the absolute lowest possible base rate for garrote and rupture ticks. At minimum, the venomous wounds change matches up. At anything above minimum, it's net gain (though marginal at best)

That's also not including things like multi-dotting and the like, wherein obviously you're gaining more per target than the base 10% from old SnD

Add also the benefits from certain legendaries coming into play, like having more envenoms to keep dashing up and running (assuming it ever becomes a viable option) since we don't have to worry about SnD falling off typically

Even if we remove the energy change from the venomous wounds change as net neutral, you're still looking at about 9-10 extra envenoms at least in a sub-10 fight

[nocturne orchid]

Man doomblade seema pretty juicy ngl

[sly elk]

The extra 10-15% damage per envenom could be pretty saucy

[nocturne orchid]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[celest ruin]

imagine if doomblade instead counts all bleeds you have on all targets

[nocturne orchid]

i vendored a chest yesterday thinking i wasn't making more dps on assa

FUCK

[drifting cloud]

use item restore

[dark vigil]

its fine it probably wasnt that big anyways

[main crypt]

i levelling my rogue, i have faith for next tier

[dark vigil]

i mean every tier theres gonna be several fights where execute is important

sin will always have its place, just early on was really bad and needed those aura buffs

kinda same with destro

well not the execute but the aura buffs

[main crypt]

do you think it's applicable to play outlaw in m+ and sin in raids?

i have a feeling ill just get removed if someone sees me playing sin on a key lol

[subtle tundra]

most people dont check

so yea while you will get kicked at some point, it wont be often

and as long as you do good damage they wont mind during the dungeon

[main crypt]

awesome thanks

[frozen jasper]

Sometimes, when ppl Check they are surprised to see an assa rogue but i Never got kicked yet. Not even in 15+

[candid quarry]

Would say its a bigger chance of getting kicked in lower keys. Since in high keys u will do more dmg as sin than in lower

[dark vigil]

yeah but higher keys all they want is the meta too

so its a bit of both

[candid quarry]

Thats true

[sullen fern]

for Zoldyck Insignia, is it better to craft on legs or feet?

[stoic needle]

Legs

[dark vigil]

legs has most stat value

yea

[sullen fern]

ah ok, ty

it has to be your first lego you craft as assa right

[dark vigil]

oh yes

[sullen fern]

I main sub but gonna try out assa

[dark vigil]

unless you pvp

[stoic needle]

It should be, yes

[sullen fern]

for pvp whats the bis lego

[dark vigil]

ma

[stoic needle]

MA

[dark vigil]

the generic one

[sullen fern]

oh marked assassin still works for assa?

is it not harder to get restealths as assa

[stoic needle]

No

[dull fulcrum]

Hi everyone, kinda new on the disc, i've a question are they any strong changes on covenants/builds whatsoever with the 9.1 for assa?

[candid quarry]

Changes comes in 9.0.5

[dull fulcrum]

9.0.5 my b

[candid quarry]

Venthyr will get buffed. Still shitty soulbinds compared to NF tho

[stoic needle]

Venthyr might be good but it's not implemented in simc yet so we don't know

[dark vigil]

also venthyr will be pretty dogshit for m+ whereas korayn is goat

it'd have to be a lot better

[placid dawn]

how much worse are kyrian soulbinds compared to venth?

[trim zinc]

how much poeple using that trinket will make it better?? (i dont like skulkers cuz i feel thats gonna kill me everytime i use it(it happend one time))

[dark vigil]

-14 is nothing

also heraldry is more valuable more people in ur party

so

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/888f59d8b3401a49ebd90be2fe6b796e
🥰 soon they'll all be saying it.

[limber lion]

Yeah at that point honestly just play what you want. I'd just take the 2 passive trinkets. One less button to press and Skulker has a tendency of bugging out sometimes.

[dark vigil]

imagine saying assa rogue and not sin or ass

[limber lion]

I've been playing Assassination Rogue for 4 years and I call it Assa.

Ass is the worst one.

[dark vigil]

i love ass

[trim zinc]

sin>>>>>>>>>>

[calm verge]

is sin viable again?

[onyx anvil]

！fun

[limber lion]

Yes

[calm verge]

or should i stay outlaw

[limber lion]

Stay Outlaw

[calm verge]

😦

[onyx anvil]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[trim zinc]

stay outlaw

idk u just play sin cuz for me its way more fun then outlaw and sub so ill play it

(i can play sub but never outlaw i just cant)

[dark vigil]

ive never tried sub but it just doesnt seem my style

plus theres no reason to

they're performing about the same

and in some fights sin is way ahead

but overall outlaw is best performing

[cobalt leaf]

If the change of venthyr stay like that, it will be bis for sin?

[limber lion]

Can't say yet, but most likely no. Night Fae is probably still king until they nerf something.

[dark vigil]

hard to say

[cobalt leaf]

Sad

Bis stats is haste crit no?

[dark vigil]

yes

[cobalt leaf]

I was imagine with the first soulbinds of the venthyr avec the gain of haste with the power

It would be better

[dark vigil]

for st maybe

[cobalt leaf]

Noice, i will just play it on raid i don't care about pvp and key

[signal marsh]

Hey guys! New on this discord.
Was wondering if any of you knew about 9.0.5 buffs to assassination rogue. I saw multiple mention it on reddit but all I can find is Venthyr ability being buffed

[gentle gyro]

is that thing any good?

worth simming or is it...mediocre

[main crypt]

see pins

[signal marsh]

thanks

[dark hollow]

so last Q: are folks doing CT for m+? most guides still show PB

[dark vigil]

yes

guides are bad

only time i'd run pb in m+ is if its a really low key

and by really low i mean 5 or lower

[oblique flare]

ye, ct is da way

[dark vigil]

even then

ct is probably still better

[oblique flare]

honestly, they should just make it baseline and let us use pb

[dark vigil]

i agree

it would be nice

would be annoying to maintain 3 dots tho

[oblique flare]

yeah but with it baseline you lose less

plus with the snd change, it will get better regardless, but yeah, more dot management, still better than what we have though

[dark vigil]

it would perform better yea

[oblique flare]

with every PB proc, my envenoms feel so satisfying man

either give us PB baseline or ct, either way

[celest ruin]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[oblique flare]

they should really take a look on our talents overall

[gloomy fern]

time to play sin first time

and doing it on sire prog

[gentle gyro]

sin is actually good on sire

cause the only real "hard" thing is the execute

which sin has

[wind totem]

Hey guys. What's the finisher logic for sin? 4-5 without DS? or always 5 or what?

[gloomy fern]

well why do u think im going sin

lol

[strange python]

When I sim my gear on a patchwerk fight, MA sims 100 dps more than Zoldycks. I thought Zoldyck was quite a lot better in pve?

[gloomy fern]

better for progress due to execute dont sim the highest

[dark hollow]

agree, i'd liove to see pB or CT go baseline

thanks yall

[topaz saffron]

Baseline for sure, and while they are at it rework our dead talents thanks 😛

[primal zinc]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[dark vigil]

@wind totem if you're at 4 cp use it

cause mutiliate will give you 2 minimum

so its just waste

[wind totem]

I'm testing out assassination and I'm getting roll the bones buffs cuz of the conduit lol

this is funny

[dark vigil]

yeah its pretty bad

conduit

but i mean better than no conduit

[pliant roost]

Fok feels really annoying to press in m+. Would like to see it given baseline 2 cp or more crit for its conduit.. can take forever to get bleeds rolling when u have to fokx3 every time..

[wind totem]

Honestly it should work like shuriken storm. I don't see why we have to crit to get the same effect sub gets

[dark vigil]

just get high enough crit :^)

[wind totem]

sure let me get some corruptions first

[pliant roost]

Yh that wud work too

[dark vigil]

i think the sim profile has 31% crit and like 22% haste

[royal lantern]

cus sin FoK does more dmg by itself

[wind totem]

I would personaly be in favour of them reducing it in order for us to get a more reliable CP generation on multiple targets.

Playing sin in 8.3 was so much fun with all the crit. Being able to reliably do 4-5 cp ruptures one gcd apart was amazing

[stoic needle]

They won't do it tbh

Just gonna have to wait until we ||scale|| with better gear in later tiers

[dark vigil]

he said the thing

im very interested to see the 9.1 raid loot

cause they said it will have unique powers

wonder if itll be some dumb shit like

5% more dmg while in a raid instance

i hope not

[real bay]

[worn path]

Once we get ||34%|| crit we will be top dps for sure

[dark vigil]

why 34% specifically

the base profile sim has like 31% crit 24% haste or something

[balmy condor]

F

He doesn’t know

[rancid spade]

again with the 34

[tulip nacelle]

bruh, that takes too long to do on mobile

[worn path]

I was following along waiting lmao

[hazy path]

Just use master assassin for 100%

[balmy condor]

Yeh emote spam on mobile is awful

[stoic needle]

The only think about assassination that scales is the pacing of its gameplay with haste and crit, especially in aoe

I think that blizzard likes that for whatever reason

[balmy condor]

Well yea, that’s how passives work I guess

Like no argument here

Sin definitely scales

[hushed sphinx]

Scaling makes us throw extra knives when using fok

[fleet whale]

In terms of feels it fed cakes

[balmy condor]

It’s just not scaling harder than other specs

[fleet whale]

Def scales lol

[fleet whale]

Stupid auto correct lol

[stoic needle]

Saving this for blackmailing purposes

[balmy condor]

You’re going to have to do much better than that

[stoic needle]

[fleet whale]

Maim mangle doom blade build in 9.0.5 I’m gonna run it

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

Honestly with how little dps gain all these things are

Fuck it man

Live your life

[stoic needle]

Has there been conduit tuning on the ptr yet

[fleet whale]

Not for rogues

At least

[balmy condor]

The only thing noticeable is combo point gen with korayn in m+

[stoic needle]

They also said something about "increasing the power of our soulbinds and conduits"

In 9.1

[balmy condor]

I could switch to Dreamweaver with sub conduits for single target

And not fucking know

[stoic needle]

Bet they'll have some ridiculous "double the effectiveness of a conduit" thing

[fleet whale]

That will suck for rogues

[stoic needle]

It bet it'll be really stonks then

[fleet whale]

But be busted for other classes

[stoic needle]

I mean imagine 50% increased damage shiv

[balmy condor]

Imagine the conduit for fire

Which is 13.5% dps

[stoic needle]

Wtf really?

[balmy condor]

Pepe laugh rogues don’t get good things fuck you

[stoic needle]

I don't play other classes so I have no idea what their conduits do tbh

[fleet whale]

Does doom blade bleed scale with mastery?

[stoic needle]

Idts

[balmy condor]

Fire mage has one that makes fire blast increase your fire damage during combust

It’s like 15% or something at 200, stacking twice

So they hit combust and flame blast twice

and now they have 30% stronger combust

Yep

WPS on crack

No issues here

[balmy condor]

True

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

That’s what I said

Yep

[stoic needle]

Even rogue cfs agree, sin scales!

I can see it in preach's next video

[balmy condor]

4/5 dentists and 1/1 rogue CF’s agree

(We didn’t ask more, the one was enough)

[celest ruin]

does sin transmog scale?

[worn path]

Leather tmog never scales

[stoic needle]

Yeah venthyr has been bis since day 1

[balmy condor]

I honestly don’t know what the covenant mogs look like

Can’t be fucked

[dark vigil]

big shakeup will be in 9.1

for covenant swapping and stuff

[balmy condor]

Who?

[dark vigil]

oh i was scrolle dup

[stoic needle]

Let's see your mog whispyr

No bully

[balmy condor]

I’d have to get out of bed

I’m also a set wearer

[stoic needle]

Armory works

Me too, who has the time to go farm transmog

So fucking boring

[dark vigil]

i had to make a new blizzard account for shadowlands

was rough

[stoic needle]

I did fangs of the father and that made me want to unsub

[dark vigil]

https://i.imgur.com/Pg9XX2A.png

here's mine

why is imgur embedding with discord being so shit since last discord update

[worn path]

I rock the necro leather set tbh

Probably the best set out there

[stoic needle]

[dark vigil]

but that would mean..

[worn path]

I rolled necro for the bone spike and main stat scaling to benefit the raid

[dark vigil]

that you play necro

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[dark vigil]

[stoic needle]

Necro is legit

The mog is.....

Something

[balmy condor]

Oh actually I’m not full set today

Pog

[dark vigil]

i could see necro being nice on fights with big downtimes

[balmy condor]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/whíspyr

[spice spire]

weapons and a phial

[worn path]

You would play a belf! I can’t wait to switch to venth from nfae... I don’t like it from a class fantasy standpoint.. or maybe because my hunter and boomy are nfae already

[balmy condor]

I played belf for silence in legion

[dark vigil]

but u juts said ur necro

[balmy condor]

And then never swapped

[stoic needle]

I'm mad the silence sucks now

[spice spire]

1% passive crit tho

[dark vigil]

its good in m+ still for dispelling

but yea

[balmy condor]

Cause I don’t see the point of swapping

[dark vigil]

i take it for the passive crit

[worn path]

Ya I was memeing, f necro lol

[stoic needle]

What does it even dispel

[dark vigil]

id play goblin if i didnt care about how my character looks

but i do

[stoic needle]

goblins

[dark vigil]

or if at least i could make it look like dobby

but i can't

[worn path]

It dispells shit like the shields when regen goes off in mists

[stoic needle]

I'm considering changing to orc bc zug zug

[dark vigil]

orc is good

[worn path]

Idk what the actual debuff it dispells is called

[spice spire]

buffs, and it can also soothe the angy spirits in dos

[dark vigil]

lines up with vendetta too

[stoic needle]

Wtf really

[balmy condor]

Also dispells the healing buff in the maze part in mists

[stoic needle]

Damn

[quaint acorn]

magic buffs. same that tranq and purge remove

[stoic needle]

Ok maybe I underestimated it

[dark vigil]

yeah but that requires using a gcd to help your team

[stoic needle]

But it gives you energy

[dark vigil]

its like 25 energy

[worn path]

Ya but my will of the forsaken dispells the fear on the first boss that always seems to line up with the first 4 seconds of bonus damage 😭

[balmy condor]

Oh and the bark skin cast from the little gremlins in the ardenweald area in dos

[quaint acorn]

blobs before first boss in plaugefall have a buff that spawn shit on the ground. can remove it on all of them if they're grouped

[balmy condor]

Also true

[dark vigil]

ok so belf is too useful, therefore i need to switch

off of belf

[balmy condor]

You’ll have 4 belts in your group anyway

[gleaming eagle]

the dispel is nice in pvp

crit is ok

[stoic needle]

That's half a mut

Or a rupture

The energy is good

[dark vigil]

yeah but

[stoic needle]

Belts?

[dark vigil]

you could get like 130 mainstat during vendetta

[balmy condor]

The energy is whatever

[dark vigil]

or however much it is

[balmy condor]

Damage wise belf isnt all that great

[worn path]

Tbh I can’t wait to roll sin when I get a dagger from the vault.. switch to venth.. get flying and a dope tmog.. covenant ability that I can actually feel the benefit of..

[dark vigil]

oh yeah

like that meme

https://media.tenor.com/images/faa7904870d4661b3f077f1c49fbbb46/tenor.gif

[worn path]

I’ll achieve 34% crit with the gear scaling from next tier

[dark vigil]

if you're like 226 you can get 34% crit now

[worn path]

My dps will sky rocket and make me a viable class for raid

[balmy condor]

Full stack mastery boys

[dark vigil]

also why are you so adamant about 34% specifically

why not 35

[balmy condor]

Because you’re out of the loop

[dark vigil]

why not 33

[balmy condor]

And don’t get the joke

[dark vigil]

ima change to troll

damn race changes are $25

[balmy condor]

Change to?

[worn path]

Mastery stack or haste? I hope bleed build makes a come back

[dark vigil]

haste

and wym

[quaint acorn]

tried assassination on wednedays farm hc, a nice grey log on shiekwing 🙂

[balmy condor]

It won’t dw

[stoic needle]

Blizzard makes so much money on this stuff it makes me mad

[dark vigil]

i bought like 6 lvl boosts this xpac to lvl alts

[stoic needle]

That's actually insane

[dark vigil]

couldnt be fucked

[stoic needle]

I will never buy a boost

[dark vigil]

to level 1-50

granted

[worn path]

I can dream

[dark vigil]

alright im changing to troll

give me that haste baby

[royal lantern]

imagine thinking that racials make a difference

[dark vigil]

they dont

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-he-doesnt-know-pepe-gif-14019260

[dark vigil]

but i dont like look of my belf

[royal lantern]

good

[dark vigil]

and belf is too useful

[royal lantern]

everything is better then belf

[dark vigil]

so i have to switch off of it

[worn path]

You must like feet

If you roll troll

[stoic needle]

[dark vigil]

no i just neve rhad a troll

rate

[worn path]

Tropical

[lyric crater]

so look like going vamp is now possable with the rework of flag

[dark vigil]

should be good

flag is arleady decent just clunky

[lyric crater]

sweet

[worn path]

Gotta wait for the sims to be updated and include it

[dark vigil]

and now theyre removing the clunkiness and making it better

[lyric crater]

all i hear is night fae for pve and pvp

[worn path]

Only problem with venth is the soulbinds suck ass

[dark vigil]

night fae is moreso the soulbind

with burrs, niya, korayn

i expect 9.1 to be massive shakeups and nerfs to night fae soulbinds

night fae is by far the most popular covenant by a mile across all specs

[lyric crater]

that great if u like being a fairly and looking like a tree in there mog vamp one way cooler

[dark vigil]

i dont use the covenant mog anyways

if i were venthyr i'd use some of it i think

but not full set

[worn path]

Imo covenant abilities should have an impact on gameplay.. rogues just don’t have that right now. I’ll switch to venth just to make it feel like it does something if it’s within 1% of top

[dark vigil]

yeah

rogues abilites are pretty lackluster

[lyric crater]

i hear u to each there own 🙂 i like the vamp mog

[dark vigil]

i wish they had more that impacted the playstyle

kyrian does but its just

not fun

[gleaming eagle]

sepsis is really good

[dark vigil]

its okay

[gleaming eagle]

its ok for pve but for pvp its game changer

[dark vigil]

it works with shiv which is nice

but its more about the soulbind abilities

like i said

with niya/korayn

[gleaming eagle]

its one of sin biggest burst for pvp

[storm onyx]

Sepsis is big burst in pvp

[dark vigil]

yeah pve

im talkin

pvp is a diff ball game

[worn path]

Aside from every class but warlock I think the covenant ability for at least one cov does something notable?

Primal wave
Mind games
Spirits
Weapons of order
Warrior spear thing
Convoke
The paladin red ground shit
The nfae cdr for mages

[gleaming eagle]

i think venthyr ability needs buff

and necrolord

[worn path]

Rogues are just an extra stab you press and forget

[dark vigil]

venthyr ability is getting buffed pretty hard

[gleaming eagle]

oh

what is it?

[dark vigil]

necrolord one will work with mastery for sin next patch which will be nice

[lyric crater]

convoke needs to go or rework boomkin still one shot people

[gleaming eagle]

what venthyr get?

[dark vigil]

https://i.imgur.com/DHswWOD.png

[worn path]

Flag rework

[dark vigil]

imgur embed

[gleaming eagle]

wow

thats a good buff

lol

[dark vigil]

they also buffed the conduit for it too

to 4 hits

instead of 2

[gleaming eagle]

i think thats great for outlaw

either way i think nf is the best for sin

[dark vigil]

if they nerf niya's mastery/burrs or korayn we'll see

[gleaming eagle]

mainly cause of sepsis and shiv combos well with well placed steel

and also since sin lack mobility

the blink is insane for us

[dark vigil]

i would really like necrolord to be buffed slightly since it fights sin theme

with the never ending dot

[gleaming eagle]

true but you wont be able to chase well going necrolord

with only 1 use of shadowstep

you need 2nd blink

[dark vigil]

even with mastery affecting it, it still wont be enough