had to decide second leggo now.. dashing or doomblade mm
#assassination
sick scarab
rigid tartan
Does this mean we get more raidspots than now if tuning stays as is?
celest ruin
but its a sunking fight and we have to heal her
sick scarab
i thin dashing.. same slot as zoldick (feet)
celest ruin
stoic needle
had to decide second leggo now.. dashing or doomblade mm
Wait a bit
sick scarab
y y
balmy condor
Does this mean we get more raidspots than now if tuning stays as is?
who knows
it's still a rogue
balmy condor
well yeh but you still take a warrior for buff and rallying
celest ruin
arent dks top melee execute rn
stoic needle
I bet they could spare one spot for huge fookin damage
Especially if these sims are correct
I'd have to do a sim to see what's top but the top 3 are arms dk and sin
celest ruin
dont surv hunters get kill shot
sick scarab
and .. anyone going from fae to ventir ? i dont like flagellation tbh.. i prefer sepsis usage
stoic needle
All hunters get kill shot
I'll probably be going back to venthyr
I miss my gargoyle gf
sick scarab
ehehe
stoic needle
Night fae will still probably be bis but we won't know until it's in the sims
gloomy stone
How the the recuparator (SnD heal) conduit work in 9.0.5?
balmy condor
yeah why would that change
gloomy stone
So it is still passive heal over time that never needs requeshing
pseudo aspen
my man is about to envenom only
stoic needle
90% envenom uptime 
balmy condor
So it is still passive heal over time that never needs requeshing
it heals on slice ticks
yes
stoic needle
What a wild ride this tier has been
Is this what preach foresaw
also lets keep in mind that there could be apl optimizations to be found with cttc
restive bluff
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
strange python
Looks like it pays more to be complete shite at the start of an xpac rather than kinda decent
stoic needle
5 target aoe for 5 mins doomblade wins....???
granted, this is with niya burrs
but like
????
balmy condor
that seems very wrong
balmy condor
you're simming 1 target
stoic needle
even though the sim is set to 5 targets
stoic needle
balmy condor
overrides don't care about your settings foo
royal lantern
well yeh but you still take a warrior for buff and rallying
cant you wait for sin too be in a somewhat good spot again, and with that lose any reason too complain about the fact that rogue brings nothing at all too the raid and is stuck like that :?
i mean
i dont wanna be #1dps all the time cus blizzard is bullshit at balancing, i just want a reason too be brought too raids cus i bring something except" ye he is a good player"
balmy condor
I don't understand the question
royal lantern
rogue looking like it does decent dmg
balmy condor
yeh
royal lantern
=people will cry again its strong
balmy condor
yeh
royal lantern
but the main problem is still there
balmy condor
yeh
balmy condor
kinda really sucks doesn't it
royal lantern
somewhat
royal lantern
YE SIN SCALES GOOD
royal lantern
THOSE 6%MORE HASTE GAVE IT A 25%DPS BOOST
NOT THE 25%DMG BOOST ON ALL ABILITYS IT GOT
stoic needle
balmy condor
and that's "very well" compared to what
shy dust
royal lantern
i litearlly had that discussion in the cursed sub 2 days ago btw
"fury warrior slowly gets better then arms cus we get more haste"
stoic needle
What is the cursed sub
royal lantern
i told him that we litearlly have the same secondary levels we had 1month ago, fury slowly gets better cus of the huge %flat dmg buffs it got
NO FURY SCALES BETTER WITH STATS THEN ARMS
not the sub channel
stoic needle
Subreddit?
celest ruin
why is there no scale emoji in ravenholdt yet
uneven plume
Bruh sin is quite disgusting in m+
rose violet
Did you ever touch fire mage
stoic needle
I will never debase myself by playing mage
balmy condor
oshosi help
the more I think about cttc stonks
the less I hate it
I don't like this feeling
me ook ook for dam
rose violet
Why would you hate it
ornate jetty
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signal gulch
pressing snd more than once was hurting peoples hands so they took button away /s
rose violet
Not if the button is pointless in the first place
royal lantern
pressing snd more than once was hurting peoples hands so they took button away /...
if you complain about not needing too press shit&ability every ~30sec, i really dont know what too say
it was a mistake bringing that shit back in the first place
rose violet
Strong or not strong I don’t care
signal gulch
sorry lemme edit what i said
rose violet
I don’t feel any impact when I use it
restive bluff
what's cttc?
balmy condor
cut to the chase
rose violet
I know it’s hard whispyr but you need to let go
balmy condor
wouldn't be the first, wouldn't be the last
fucking misjudged the impact of cttc
maybe I'm just stuck on wanting to maintain stuff
idk what I want anymore dude shits weird
rose violet
You want that big deeps
rose violet
that's the devil speaking
balmy condor
at this point, idk, maybe
rose violet
i have the same feeling with savage roar for feral
at some point it's just too much
like the straw the breaks the camel's back
worldly bridge
Is there any chance Sin could become competitive St and/or even during AOE fights in new raids if adds live long enough for that poison bomb replacement talent (which I can't remember the english name)
lapis warren
balmy condor
I need to get better on patch days
static hemlock
I suspect it’s going to be quite good (at least in the current PTR build)
stark heart
@balmy condor it's okay to be wrong 
balmy condor
yeah I get that
but I also have a rank that holds meaning, and I feel like I'm not a good enough player to be wrong on top of it
but you're right, I'm probably being too hard about it
low girder
Did I miss something?
stark heart
Rank doesn't make you a robot, you are still a human who can misjudge something and change their opinion
rose violet
i mean
people in outlaw preach that mikanikos is a good soulbind just because of the hammer even tho the rest is utter garbage
we all make mistakes
it's fine
rose violet
depending on the ilvl of your conduits yes
or kleia
but the better your conduits get the better it is to have 2 potency
balmy condor
understandable
rose violet
and mikanikos puts your potion on cd the moment you drop below 35% hp
which is quite bad
not sure if i should make zoldyk or finish my MA
the struggle is real
tardy compass
i'm seriously considering doomblade right now
static hemlock
Get the base items and save up ash before 9.0.5 goes live imo
We won’t know til it’s actually live
primal zinc
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royal lantern
night fae is fucking CRINGE
chill your ass lol
static hemlock
Spending time hated resources on a PTR build that could change tomorrow is risky
static hemlock
Time gated*
royal lantern
its just possible that the BDSM skill now sucks slightly less
static hemlock
I suspect flag is going to be quite good if it goes live as is, plus you get to be a count/countess and have sweet sweet blood aesthetics for your bleeds spec
static hemlock
Also having door kinda helps not having 2 shadowstep charges
static hemlock
Soulshape is miles better than door, don’t get me wrong
royal lantern
REALLY hard
like
its by far the worst covenant ability since launch
its so bad, you are faster too run most of the time
static hemlock
Ive found several nice uses for it but I’m not saying go venth FOR door
rose violet
but preach said it will be the best for everything 😦
static hemlock
Just saying it helps assn specifically more than the other specs because it helps shore up having only 1 step charge
static hemlock
Soulshape is miles better than door, don’t get me wrong
I just said that lol
Flag gonna > sepsis if it goes live as is though
royal lantern
if you gonna do door too go outside with mechanics, chances are higher that you do a mistake then just walking would do
cus of the long as fk casttime+ its on the gcd
static hemlock
I tend to use it infrequently but most often in m+ to get out of bad mechanics placements (which aren’t always something you can individually affect much)
agile geode
What change to serrated bone Spike in 9.0.5?
ornate raptor
Flag gonna > sepsis if it goes live as is though
What is Flag doing now on Ptr?
static hemlock
Flagellation (Venthyr) no longer costs Energy (was 20 Energy), duration reduced to 12 seconds (was 20 seconds), Haste is now granted immediately, and no longer has a second activation. Flagellation’s initial damage increased by 270%, additional damage from spending combo points increased by 160%, and deals damage 1 time upon use (was 3)
And
OLD: Lash the target 3 times, dealing (6% of Attack power) Shadow damage and adding a stack of Flagellation for each lash. The target remains tormented for 20 sec, receiving an additional lash for each combo point you spend. Reactivating Flagellation cleanses their torment, increasing your Haste by 0.5% per stack, up to a maximum of 15% Haste for 20 sec.
NEW: Lash the target for (50% of Attack power) Shadow damage, causing each combo point spent within 12 sec to lash for an additional (10% of Attack power). Dealing damage with Flagellation increases your Haste by 1%, persisting 12 sec after their torment fades.
Is what I’m seeing on wowhead
Basically they are making it less clunky to use and it’ll deal more damage, as well as buff you during the ability and after instead of just after
(And only if you managed to reactivate, which costs a 2nd GCD on the current live build and can be really tricky to min/max)
Now it’s just going to be used best heading into period of high energy/cp gen, after a heavy energy pool, etc. and should provide a substantial haste boost if used well
north basin
they need to expand ash drop sources, iam too struggling to craft full zoldyk or full 235 ma. already have 2 235 outlaw/sub legs ((
faint harness
Flag gonna > sepsis if it goes live as is though
Unfortunately venthyr still has shit soulbinds
bleak sedge
Does anyone have a weakaura that recognized subterfuge garotes?
slow marsh
Honestly it feels so good to beat out an outlaw rogue that's higher ilvl on heroic sire
bleak sedge
how XD
slow marsh
It almost makes up for not getting any loot the second week in a row
bleak sedge
hc loot exists?
slow marsh
Time your coolies and run subt. Stay alive until the end
bleak sedge
switched to subt today. Master assasin feels like shit XD
slow marsh
Yep
Most fights have at least one additional mob somewhere to make it worth it
And my garrote actually did my highest damage in sire
Which is weird but makes sense I guess
vast hound
best covenant choice for pve/pvp?
icy dock
hows master assassin with hidden blades in m+
slow marsh
Booty use CT
slow marsh
best covenant choice for pve/pvp?
NF
vestal wren
hows master assassin with hidden blades in m+
you can sim it in dungeon slice
gloomy fern
gief dummy who go below 30% tyvm
gleaming eagle
Ye sin single target is good right now
We do get lots of buffs compared.to the start of the expansion
vestal wren
assassinations spec aura wa buffed by ~20% overall
assassination is now about equal to the other specs in output on pure st
vestal wren
its about equal on st from sims i did earlier
overall outlaw is possible the spec thats slightly ahead
but with ptr changes it seems to even out more
assassination could be ahead on st also very slightly if you switch to doomblade
tropic ocean
assassination could be ahead on st also very slightly if you switch to doomblade
time to blast shriekwing, big
vestal wren
@faint harness sim i made earlier:
alpine garden
Doomblade is meta now?
vestal wren
i don't think so
zoldy is rly powerfull on progression
so you possibly use it over it
keep in mind that dashing is also "better" atm but you don't rly see anyone using it
tropic ocean
cuz theres barely any st fight
grim patio
Sorry for bother. I want to play assassination pvp roga,I would like to know which covenant to choose for him.Сould you give me a hint?
tropic ocean
and I guess on sludge zoldyck is just better due to the fight nature
so u have artificier and shriekwing thats it 😄
vast hound
what leggo should i craft for raiding/M+?
faint harness
<@!153289634909126656> sim i made earlier:
Issue is sub and sin competes about the same raid spot
And assassination is more prog friendly to play, even If that point is exaggerated
So its just bye bye sub unless they buff it.
spice spire
what leggo should i craft for raiding/M+?
Zoldyck’s
spice spire
Sorry for bother. I want to play assassination pvp roga,I would like to know whi...
Apparently night fae is good in PVP? But kyrian is also pretty decent
vast hound
for pve nightfae is stronger right?
vestal wren
So its just bye bye sub unless they buff it.
as predicted
spice spire
Yes apathy
vestal wren
also it depends
vestal wren
if sub cooldowns/damage profile works out better it could still see play
spice spire
All covenants are very close and shouldn’t be decided based on one thing. But if you like NF, it’s a safe choice
manic harness
don't say burst
faint harness
No
manic harness
don't say it
faint harness
Funnel
vast hound
im kyrian now if i would change to NF it would take a week to prove myself again
so not worth it?
manic harness
just get ready to go vampyboy in 905
spice spire
Depends on your feelings on the covenant, if you’re fine with kyrian, I’d stick around
strange python
i was fine with kyrian until last night
when i saw how dumb they are for letting anduin waltz in
now i wanna reroll back to venthyr
candid quarry
Hahaha
manic harness
hoary hamlet
so ive been reading multiple thing around wowhead ice veins and others on stat priority and seeing different stat priority. is it Versatility > Crit > Mastery > Haste, haste>crit>vers> mastery?
also this is for raiding not m+
vast hound
BiS stats for doomblade leggo
verbal mantle
!stats
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**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
tropic ocean
im kyrian now if i would change to NF it would take a week to prove myself again
changing covenant is very easy
took 2 days to catch up
alpine garden
What about renown tho?
tropic ocean
u grind it up in 2 days easily
if u play a lot
campaign weekly callings
keys
raid whatever u like
strange python
You have to play a ton to catch up in 2 days
pulsar sluice
When is 9.0.5 coming out
merry fossil
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dark vigil
march @pulsar sluice
frozen jasper
<@!153289634909126656> sim i made earlier:
Yo is the T26 assa without anything zoldyck Numbers ?
vestal wren
the default profile is with zoldy
frozen jasper
Thanks
potent chasm
will venthyr-assa be fine next patch, what do you think?
dark vigil
shoud be
vast hound
Doomblade on shoulders?
spice spire
if you do doomblade, more than likely
vast hound
isnt that the best choice for pve?
indigo ginkgo
wtf is a redflag log in warcraftlogs ! when you just play normaly and doing crapy dps !
Cant understand why, and why wrcraftlogs when do that dont point out the problem,
Do you know ?
frail fossil
wtf is a redflag log in warcraftlogs ! when you just play normaly and doing crap...
u used a bug or an exploit which flagged your log
gusty mirage
wtf is a redflag log in warcraftlogs ! when you just play normaly and doing crap...
Are you kyrian? Did you use echoing reprimand from stealth?
frail fossil
like using echoing reprimand from stealth
indigo ginkgo
what bug ? what exploit ? if i just played normaly
frail fossil
using echoing reprimand from stealth will flag your log because it apply find weakness debuff
indigo ginkgo
isnt that an ability
frail fossil
which should be only for sub
vast hound
whats the best assa leggo to craft for pve?
frail fossil
you are just very unlucky and didn't know about it
frail fossil
whats the best assa leggo to craft for pve?
zoldyck
gusty mirage
whats the best assa leggo to craft for pve?
Zoldyk
indigo ginkgo
wtf bliazzard dont fix that why ?»
frail fossil
idk
vast hound
with haste vers stat?
frail fossil
but if u had a good log i'm sure u can do it again
just be careful to not echoing reprimand from stealth
mental wing
Haste crit Or haste Vers
indigo ginkgo
then if and in rotation vanish echo by mistake flageed ? wtf
mental wing
I took crit haste
wind nacelle
Was t haste crit the way?
gusty mirage
with haste vers stat?
Yeah I’d probably do haste/vers or crit/haste seeing as most people are getting gear from pvp so vers is abundant
visual dagger
are there any preliminary numbers on how the flagellation rework is looking for sin?
indigo ginkgo
but in logs its doenst appear find weackess buf or debuff
gusty mirage
Apparently flag’s not working properly on PTR rn, idk if that’s changed in the last couple of days
gusty mirage
but in logs its doenst appear find weackess buf or debuff
Link the log
indigo ginkgo
stoic needle
me ook ook for dam
Can you please do some ptr sims of your own
Cuz the difference between mine and fuu's is kinda concerning
Considering as far as I can see we basically did the same thing to create them
stoic needle
If cttc suddenly makes us the highest dps melee spec that's actually fucking nuts
gusty mirage
If cttc suddenly makes us the highest dps melee spec that's actually fucking nut...
I’m so psyched dude, I can’t wait to go back to sin for raid
That was my biggest issue with sin in SL tbh. And now I can just hit snd once and be good to go
stoic needle
I'm kinda with whispyr, I don't mind pressing snd at all
But if cttc is a 200 dps boost then .. bye snd
indigo ginkgo
who can io explain this, i have a macro to do that vanish echjo, since like 1 monthj to now, raid ever weeck , first time thisw happen ?, then every other log should be red falg
and its not
gusty mirage
It’s been like this for ages brother
stoic needle
Yeah it's not really your fault blizzard is incompetent
indigo ginkgo
fist time happens, and i do this every pool
gusty mirage
Then your macro probably doesn’t have /stopattack in there and you’re auto attacking out of stealth most of the time
gusty mirage
Idk what to tell you but that bug’s been flagged by wcl since January
indigo ginkgo
yes , thanks for trying to explain
i just wanted to nowk whart caused
so f i macro it stopattack it should not cause right ?
gusty mirage
It’s just something blizzard didn’t test (shocking I know 
)
If you macro stopattack it’ll flag every single fight you use that macro on
Just don’t use that macro
gloomy fern
just dont use ER from stealth
stoic needle
If you macro stopattack it’ll flag every single fight you use that macro on
Wait seriously?
What's wrong with /stopattack 
candid jasper
what is cttc?
stoic needle
Cut to the chase
candid jasper
ohh
I've got so much legendary dust, I'm holding it should I need to get the highest rank when new ones sim better
candid jasper
Nope, don't have that one
stoic needle
Yeah I'd go for that one first
Zoldyck is the main reason to bring a sin rogue over the other dps
gusty mirage
Wait seriously?
With his vanish/echoing reprimand macro
candid jasper
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
stoic needle
I think that MA is better than doomblade for now, until something changes about the PvP meta
gusty mirage
I wonder if the doomblade buff will even that out more
stoic needle
Doubtful
gusty mirage
Sadface
stoic needle
It doesn't change the fundamental thing about doomblade - it's sustained damage. Sustained damage is useless in the current PvP meta
gusty mirage
I will say though, I’ve been loving arena more on my ww than my rogue 
I’m sorry guys
stoic needle
It's about 100%-0%ing people in a few seconds
vast hound
whats the general opener for pve?
stoic needle
!guide
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stoic needle
Wowhead or IV
stoic needle
I will say though, I’ve been loving arena more on my ww than my rogue <:pepehand...
Well yeah cuz rogue gets dunked on by ww and warrior and ret in arena 
oblique flare
ye, it's genuinely no fun
especially with the dr stun reduction soulbind existing now
candid jasper
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/owVDpyE4QebKTKxfDw9uXz
My stat weights are saying crit haste, but is that advisable to put on my legendary?
or should I go for haste versa
oblique flare
can't believe that crap even made it into the game
gusty mirage
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/owVDpyE4QebKTKxfDw9uXz
My stat weights a...
Crit haste is a good choice for the leggo
You could just do rbgs for haste/vers stuff where it’ll be vers heavy anyway
candid jasper
ty
spice spire
It doesn't change the fundamental thing about doomblade - it's sustained damage....
+15% envenom tho
stoic needle
Well doomblade is sustained damage compared to MA
Doomblade + ma if we had double legendaries
The whining on the forums would never stop
stoic needle
Apparently you can still get the 20k envenoms with nightstalker
The nerf did nothing
oblique flare
yeah you can
with mfd it's about 18k
6cp 20k ish
but it's super dumb honestly, either you play night elf for the meld or and you have to use your vanish offensively
oblique flare
it's so dumb to basically introduce a super offensive playstyle
but having to rely on that because of the nerfs and legendaries we receive
racials in general either have to go or made baseline choose able regardless of the race you're playing
one of the main reason alliance ended up being what it is
rough scaffold
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rough scaffold
I was killing it in skirmishes with assassination last night! I'm going to go rated this week, any suggestions on good comps?
I have freinds who play most clases pretty well
oblique flare
you should really not take skirmish seriously
stoic needle
Yeah
crimson palm
but he was killing it
stoic needle
Rogue kinda sucks in arena right now sad to say
rough scaffold
Yeah i know whatever
crimson palm
dont undermine his achievement
stoic needle
You're much better off doing RBGs
rough scaffold
I want to do twos
stoic needle
Sin is just kinda worse than sub for rogue mage
oblique flare
disc or hpal
crimson palm
You're much better off doing RBGs
aka I cant play arena so just get carried in RBGs
stoic needle
You can kinda do sin/disc but you're gonna get obliterated by any ret, ww, warrior with half a brain and there really isn't a ton you can do to stop it
rough scaffold
disc or hpal
cool thank you, i have a friend with a Disc priesr
rough scaffold
You can kinda do sin/disc but you're gonna get obliterated by any ret, ww, warri...
good to know, thank you
oblique flare
You can kinda do sin/disc but you're gonna get obliterated by any ret, ww, warri...
rets and wws are more manageable than arms, but yeah, considering that 2s is infested with those, he should prepare for long ass games where he might still lose
simply getting kill windows against these classes is aids due to their utility or and pressure
warriors will just disarm, stormbolt, intervene for basically the whole game
rough scaffold
ok, well im pretty commited, i guess thats good
lol
Ive been like, dotting and then trying to survive and get in hide to utilize my MA legnedary
stoic needle
You have to 100%-0 the healer or the other person in a few seconds with vanish
If you can't do that you will lose
rough scaffold
Hmm, does threes cater to spreading our dots around and then playing a long game? I can do a 1 shot thing, but i find if it does work, its rough for a while
stoic needle
There's a specific burst combo - get rupture, slice, and garotte up, then kidney, mutilate, shiv, vanish, envenom, MFD, envenom
Yeah 3s are slightly better for sin's pressure but you're still in for a bit of an uphill battle
oblique flare
Hmm, does threes cater to spreading our dots around and then playing a long game...
in 3s prolly affli and priest or maybe hpal
maybe even sp instead of affli
but it's still a weak comp for current meta
if you run into melee cleave comps you basically lost
and melee cleave comps are prolly 50% of the comps, if not more
it's brainless as it requires no vc, setups and has tons of sustain, perfect for the general joe going for his glad
rough scaffold
There's a specific burst combo - get rupture, slice, and garotte up, then kidney...
Yup i've got that part down pretty well. I watched some palamour videos and kinda tailored some of his ideas to my style.
rough scaffold
in 3s prolly affli and priest or maybe hpal
Ill keep that in mind thanks, i have a priest that wants to play disc and shadow with me. I guess i need to get over my affliction dreams! I got into wow watching snutzy play his goblin lock and never got over it lol
oblique flare
affli is strong, but not suited for the current meta
if they fix wws, rets and arms, afflis will prolly rise
same with general burst, if that's toned down
rough scaffold
I played with a destruction lock last night and that was ok. we won mostly. I also played with a tank and we did really well. I guess they could both soak some damage while i killed things. Just skirmishes but how ellse can we practice?
oblique flare
you can't really practice outside of rated
main issue with this game, especially if you don't have people around your rating willing to play and be on in vc
rough scaffold
ok ill just go for it then. Im not afraid to suck, so at least i have that going for me
oblique flare
there is no solo queue, and both skirmish, regular BGs, even Rbgs offer no actual benefit
doing good in those mean nothing sadly, you learn nothing except maybe warming up your fingers and get down a rotation
but arena games usually are a script, you cannot learn outside of rated arena
rough scaffold
So i have done arenas in MOP, but three of us just plowed through to get the mount. We didn't get technical and we lost more than we won, certainly
rough scaffold
doing good in those mean nothing sadly, you learn nothing except maybe warming u...
ok, ill try to learn the script then and stick to it
thank you, i appreciate all the help i get in here
oblique flare
np, watch streams btw. Nahj, Whaaz, although they don't play assa, you can get a general idea what to go for and how to play the game
lilac sparrow
Anyone tried ptr simc for sin with Flag? seems good for vendetta burst
strange silo
does it change smth if i have sinful/celestial guidance on mh or oh ?
tired falcon
No
stoic needle
Anyone tried ptr simc for sin with Flag? seems good for vendetta burst
Flag isn't implemented in ptr simc yet
candid quarry
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frank sail
Is there a Weak Aura for Korayn : First Strike? to show up if its active
worn path
Just get the spell id from wowhead and make it. Very simple to set up. Just have it show when you have the buff and add a duration
bleak sedge
does anyone here know how i can differenciate garrote and subterfuge garrote in a weakaura?
candid jasper
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
dark vigil
i know most weakauras
will have a thing
where garrote's timer on it will be green if it's subterfuged instead of white
worn path
I’m assuming that your WA has the duration beside it as text. You can change it to be a different colour if you cast garrotte while you’re stealth. You just set the parameters and overlap the WAs
dark vigil
at least the 3 diff ones ive used had that
worn path
You need two WA, and you just stack them
bleak sedge
Ah alright. I wish subt garrote had another spell id. Sad
dark vigil
hold on
Garrote WA
just copy that in the import
and just use it on a dummy and you'll see how it works
better than my explaining it
but it works with subterfuge
bleak sedge
oh jesus thats complicated af. Thx !
dark vigil
how is it complicated?
open the message.txt and copy what's inside to a weak aura import
i'm making it really easy for you
bleak sedge
no i meant the aura itself
dark vigil
oh
yeah i dont know how it works
all i know is that it shows the cd at the top of the bar if you're targeting something that already has it
and itll be green for the duration of the debuff if it was subterfuge'd
bleak sedge
i do but its complicated af. Blizzard made this way harder than they had to XD
dark vigil
yea
i just sub to Atrocity and get his entire ui
make it easy for me
its clean as shit
but that one i got from the public wa
bleak sedge
Alright thanks :D
lyric crater
ok im haveing a brain fart whast sbs again?
sinful cradle
Necrolord covenant ability
lyric crater
ah ok ty i just got bout it since the nerf it in to the ground
im happy cut to the chase is back on ptr assasstion need that abitity
dark vigil
well itll be affected by mastery in 9.0.5 so it should be better but yeah
still meh
vetnhyr seems to be the hot shit
lyric crater
oo!! please tell me it better then night fae i want the vamp mog so bad
dark vigil
venthyr is already pretty decent for us its just clunky with the reactivation
and its being buffed a lot
so if that is any indication
but the soulbind trees are definitely worse
lyric crater
hmm
sinful cradle
Man, i cant wait for 9.1 so we can sim a fuckton of more conduits
lyric crater
if flag is good enough ill swith to it mog looks so cool just mad i can mog on unless im a vamp covenant
pulsar sluice
I thought new flag didn't have to be reactivated
lyric crater
not sure im looking at it in a min loging on to ptr now
sinful cradle
It doesnt
lyric crater
that good
but if u swith to it u have to do the story line and rebuild renown up form 1 to current
ah i like how they rework it
dark vigil
yeah im talking about current flag needing to be reactivated
fair wasp
Hi guys i want to ask if you see new patch notes they kill MA for assa right ??
fair wasp
I mean of i am right soo your bleeds and poisons will now not 100 crit
fair wasp
Ah Ok they write only auto atacks and abylities
So i mean just things what you use like envenom multilate and another
lyric crater
hmm i think they remove 10% enegry regen on snd i dont see it on tool bar
quasi ledge
Yes, they removed the 10% energy regen from Slice and Dice. But buffed Venomous Wounds from 7 per tick, to 8
lyric crater
ah ok
should be 10 but 8 still good
guess ptr hasnt updated it or they didnt put it in tool tip say 7 eng
icy nova
hey guys for shiv rank 2 where it says "until cancelled" how does that work? im just about to get it and just wondering. Does it have an actual duration? Is it the timer of the non lethal poison?
rose violet
check WCL
pulsar sluice
is new flag up on raidbots btw
balmy condor
hey guys for shiv rank 2 where it says "until cancelled" how does that work? im ...
It’s 9 seconds
balmy condor
is new flag up on raidbots btw
No
balmy condor
Yeh idk what’s up with that
west totem
!bis
prisma monolithBOT
Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz
silent dawn
does the count the odds conduit work on assasination?
balmy condor
Yes but it’s not good
sinful cradle
yes
silent dawn
theres no way to switch specs and conduits at the same time right?
i have to use the conduit energy?
shy dust
Can setup different soulbinds for different specs
silent dawn
assas uses niya?
stoic needle
And korayn for m+
silent dawn
whats the best korayn conduits?
balmy condor
You go first strike and then either slot LP or WPS
silent dawn
what about pvp?
balmy condor
I’m pretty sure you always go niya WPS
strange silo
So even for m+ we dont go for poisoned katar?
stoic needle
Nope
stoic needle
Ma is bis in pvp in the current meta
deft vault
stoic needle
It kinda is though
Doomblade is sustained damage which just gets healed through
Maybe in a tier or two where it's not possible to 100%-0% someone in a ma window doomblade will be better but until then MA is better
tender mauve
balmy condor
Dunno yet
bleak sedge
Do you guys use ct vs stone legion and denathrius or poison bomb?
balmy condor
poison bomb
imo you can play CT on slg if you really need that add/aoe damage
but on denathrius definitely PB
there's not enough uptime on adds in p1/p2 to make it worth
and p3 is the important part of the fight anyway
bleak sedge
i hate that it feels like i have to swap between those 2 so often
bleak sedge
maybe ill just do that 😄 sunking feels so bad without CT though
balmy condor
maybe ill just do that 😄 sunking feels so bad without CT though
sun king is one of those weird ones cause it's an add fight, but the adds are also the least important part
bleak sedge
thats true
nocturne hawk
rupture sponges
bleak sedge
whut?
bleak sedge
so i just run around and rupture?
balmy condor
on the adds, you just kinda hit stuff with rupture and stuff yeh
balmy condor
a fire mage
stoic needle
FOK
bleak sedge
wow XD
stoic needle
do your best sub impression and fok>envenom sire
balmy condor
no but like seriously
you don't bring add damage
let the other people figure that out
bleak sedge
alright 😄
balmy condor
it's the worst case scenario for sin
an insane amount of really squishy adds that die very quickly
stoic needle
@balmy condor does a52 have mythic pugs
balmy condor
nothing in your kit does that
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> does a52 have mythic pugs
I mean, probably some
nocturne hawk
p1 dam doesn't matter all too much, have to stop dps to phase correctly
balmy condor
mythic pugs kinda monka to begin with
stoic needle
i need mythic exp to get into this guild and i have no idea how to get it
stoic needle
that's kinda fucked up
balmy condor
gotta climb the ladder
stoic needle
so do i just trial and get some logs and then dip
balmy condor
yeh pretty much
I'm honestly unfamiliar with it
cause I've been guild lead since like nighthold
stoic needle
yeah i didn't have to do this in classic because I did the same this whole trialing for guilds thing is new to me
spice spire
There are a ton of 1/10M 2/10M guilds looking for DPS
balmy condor
yeh
bleak sedge
im glad that i dont guild raid lol 😄 sounds annoying
balmy condor
that's what we would be if we would have 20 people probably
but roster building hard :P
spice spire
Roster building is hard. My guild left me in charge of recruiting and HOO boy. No one wants a guild that’s lightly aiming for mythic this tier
Also did you guys ever down sire?
bleak sedge
hc?
bleak sedge
im at 9/10
spice spire
Nice
Ye. We’re about 8 pulls deep on sire. Our Rl deadass ragequit the guild 3 pulls in. And pulled his husband with him smh
balmy condor
yikes
spice spire
Ye
balmy condor
we just struggled to not pepega p1/p2
on our kill, one of our hunters got knocked off by the first knockback going into p3
spice spire
We recleared up to sire in about 2.5 hours Wednesday tho. Yeah p1 seems major 
balmy condor
and then we just didn't have a brez
and killed without him
lmao
crazy how easy the fight is when you have everyone up
spice spire
Literally can’t not kill with a sin pumper. Yeah p3 is super easy. It’s just a mechanics check and there were many going into the tier that hasn’t raided..
pulsar sluice
what are people simming for PTR
pulsar sluice
Yea
balmy condor
you would use ptr=1
in your sim
but be aware that a lot of the implementation isn't 100% yet
pulsar sluice
Are we that behind OL btw in st dps, I did a retail sim and ended up 300 dps behind OL
Im pretty stacked inv ers/haste
balmy condor
cttc is a gain
balmy condor
the energy stuff is neutral
pulsar sluice
welp guess my arthritis days are coming to an end
wtf even frostdk over took unholy???
balmy condor
I wouldn't really trust that comparison fully
I have no idea about how other classes have implemented the 9.0.5 changes
stoic needle
that's a fair point
pulsar sluice
havoc still at the bottom sadge
manic harness
Why has Sin overtaken Outlaw?
manic harness
True
I just wanted to see if there was another reason outside the S word
How big is CTTC?
balmy condor
3%
manic harness
Not bad
dawn forum
Is venthyr or necro better rn on ptr?
balmy condor
who knows
balmy condor
I just wanted to see if there was another reason outside the S word
well the scaling comes from blizzard buffing, not from scaling XD
stoic needle
sigh $25 for a realm transfer
balmy condor
when you get 5%, and then 8%, and then 5%, and then 9.0.5 brings 3% from cttc, and buffs to single target legos, and sbs buffs for sin
that's going to add up
actually so terrified that people are gonna use this to justify the "sin scales" meme
pulsar sluice
I welcome these changes tbh, I enjoy all the specs but idk if I can do OL outside of sunking or m+ anymore
oblique flare
hey guys, so i see that with better gear i do better dps as sin, sin scales 
pulsar sluice
Shits gonna give me arthritis
manic harness
I just want something that doesn't have so much variance
Like I know it's supposed to even out in the long term but I never feel like it's worth it even on the occasions that we do win the lottery and get God Mode buff
Which it's nice when you do...but it's still not enough to compete with Fire Mage consistently
dull fulcrum
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
pulsar sluice
Yeah thats my gripe with OL
Good roll and im out dpsing even the boomies n fire mages
Usually stuff with afk damage like spriest/ferals/afflocks is harder to beat in a fight where you have to move though
Plus we don't bring anything to the raid, unless you play sin then you have execute
bleak sedge
So rogues look way better according to ptr sims? Even sub?
balmy condor
sub didn't change
manic harness
Where do you see ptr sims?
bleak sedge
Mhhh okay. Still struggling between sub and assa. Love them both
balmy condor
Where do you see ptr sims?
gotta sim it yourself
just people simming the early stuff to see what happens
no hard numbers yet
bleak sedge
Guess ill wait for the assa changes to snd and test how it feels
stoic needle
I'm gonna be sad if it turns out the changes to the other classes aren't implemented yet and we end up still trash 
stoic needle
I mean
There's nothing that I did that would make it incorrect
I copied and pasted the t26 profiles from the simcraft website, and double checked their conduits and legendaries with sims that I pulled from the class discords
dark vigil
can you compare it to the range specs too
not just melee
how tf is frost simming higher than unholy now
i even checked on simcraft
stoic needle
I mean that's happening already
dark vigil
kyrian frost dk
hmm
granted 5 min sims are wildly inaccurate but yea
its still a decent baseline
stoic needle
How are 5 min sims wildly innacurate
pulsar sluice
Lol
stoic needle
If there's anything wrong with the sims it's a ptr change implementation on simcraft's end
pulsar sluice
I mean yeah maybe in prog kills 5 min isn't enough but for farm kills thats most likely the avg time it takes to down the boss
balmy condor
I mean what else would you sim
stoic needle
Helter skelter
balmy condor
what would change the evaluation
raidbots already puts 20% variation in fight length on things
a 5 min sim is 4 min minimum, and 6 min maximum
like
stoic needle
You could argue at most fights this tier are heavy movement and hectic add cleave instead of patchwerk but
In the end it doesn't really matter because a sim is supposed to be a theoretical demonstration of the potential of a spec
balmy condor
I hear the argument of sims not being reality
but what makes you think that it's wrong
or that you can know better
dark vigil
no fight ever plays out how 5 min sims go
onyx hemlock
i think the most inaccurate thing about sims is people wont play with 0% error
balmy condor
huh?
dark vigil
like i think if you check slice and dice uptime its
99.16
eh
nvm
thats like the pull
onyx hemlock
thats pretty close to 100
dark vigil
i know some other sims ive seen before where an important buff has like 94% uptime
which accounts for some error
spice spire
actually so terrified that people are gonna use this to justify the "sin scales"...
It scales with buffs very well
balmy condor
which accounts for some error
that's actually just not what that means what
dark vigil
but yeah 5 min sims are wildly inaccurate simply because of the fact no fight plays out like a 5 min sim
but its a basis
since theres nothing really else to do
btw
balmy condor
would you say it's inaccurate for like hungering
dark vigil
@stoic needle the sin changing rankings so high is that cause of flag or cttc or both?
balmy condor
or sludge
dark vigil
both
stoic needle
Just cttc, flag isn't implemented and those sims were with niya burrs
dark vigil
oh i see
balmy condor
man maybe I'm too boomer for this shit
stoic needle
It's cttc and the legendary tuning
balmy condor
I don't have the energy to argue with folk anymore
dark vigil
interesting
stoic needle
You're 21 stfu
balmy condor
you do you man
dark vigil
shriek has intermissions, stuff you have to run out for
stoic needle
What you're saying is 'the sims don't represent reality' but that doesnt really matter
Because the sim is supposed to represent the theoretical output of the spec
balmy condor
live your best life king, don't let anyone tell you otherwise
dark vigil
it does matter because if it did arcane would be better than fire on fights that arent sludge
balmy condor
fucking slay
stoic needle
But fire outsims arcane
dark vigil
16.8% less than feral
ah sim craft changed last time i looked at it
you're right
arcane is now below fire
stoic needle
It always was
dark vigil
i think a month ago it was higher by about 200 dps
balmy condor
osh he's not worth it man
dark vigil
maybe 3 weeks
balmy condor
save yourself
dark vigil
but even with it being lower, you'd see it performing close to fire
which isn't the case
because sims dont play out like in reality
stoic needle
That's more because no one is playing the spec
dark vigil
you can take the max parse for an arcane
and its still way lower than fire
are you saying apmbillion is a bad arcane?
because that guy is a god
stoic needle
Idk who that is tbh
dark vigil
he's in the guild melt, basically only plays arcane
balmy condor
no, whispyr, no. deep breaths
sacred yarrow
sims r all pi nonsense now anyways
dark vigil
yes this is comparing specific data and theres a lot of variables
simcraft doesnt use pi
sacred yarrow
Oops logs*
dark vigil
yeah
thats why u kinda wanna look at 90th or 95th percentile
but i took the example of the fact that even if the top parsing arcane mage on xymox was using pi shenanigans
they were still far lower than the 100th fire mage
honest needle
My count the odds is only 200ilvl how do i get a 213 or higher or even 207
will running top 12 or 15 get me higher 1
honest needle
wrong channel sry
balmy condor
gusty mirage
^
onyx hemlock
for M+ i see a lot of people with both poison bomb and crimson tempest, if there a rhyme or reason for when they take each one? or just preference?
onyx hemlock
really, that divisive?
onyx hemlock
i know mplussubcreation is purely data driven, but i just see a lot of really high keys using PB still
balmy condor
you would never run pb in m+
the only reason to ever even make it cross your mind in a fleeting moment of weakness
is when you queue into a group with giga aoe
and you're just reserving yourself for boss damage
but even then, you're just going to do less damage
onyx hemlock
ah
balmy condor
so like if you're in a group with fire mage boomy
and you're like
"wow that's a lot of aoe I'll never keep up with that"
you kinda stare at PB longingly
and take CT anyway
I would take katar and HB over PB in m+ given the choice
like if the concern really is "the mobs aren't going to survive for any reasonable amount of time"
onyx hemlock
are 20's just not as hard as i think then?
balmy condor
they definitely are
whole dew
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
dark vigil
ah i see
onyx hemlock
just makes me think if PB is seriously that troll then people are just not caring even in keys that high or something
dark vigil
simcraft is still using kyrian as its soulbind
which is why its 200 lower
for sin
also really high keys they might be paying
really no idea
hard to tell
balmy condor
just makes me think if PB is seriously that troll then people are just not carin...
the highest key with PB looks like an 18 off of that site
rare blaze
You looking at leaderboards, right? Those same players raid, so you may be seeing their CN talents. You'd have to look at their specific run, and view their talents. Their profile isn't reliable.
balmy condor
yeah
bleak sedge
yeah, so you take CT if you enjoy doing damage
Do i use ct vs bosses then or do i just do normal rotation?
balmy condor
I'm not quite sure how mplus takes their data
if they're scrubbing blizzard API then there's no way in hell it's accurate
dark vigil
its usually accurate but yeah ive seen weird stuff
onyx hemlock
i guess thats fair, if they get caught with non m+ setup on
whole dew
hi, dude for m+ talents 2-2-2-0-0-2-3 its ok?
onyx hemlock
but ive certainly seen it 20 and higher, if resets every week and whatnot
onyx hemlock
but if the case is them getting API'd with raid setup, then im getting trolled XD
balmy condor
Do i use ct vs bosses then or do i just do normal rotation?
if you're talented into CT, you would cast to maintain outside of shiv, but with cttc coming back, I'm actually not sure that line holds water
bleak sedge
Cttc?
balmy condor
hi, dude for m+ talents 2-2-2-0-0-2-3 its ok?
don't ever take deeper, otherwise fine
onyx hemlock
shit didnt think it was 4 weeks
balmy condor
would suggest mfd in place of it
stoic needle
Deeper stonks soon
bleak sedge
Pls no ill have to rewrite my cp weakaura for assa if deeper gets meta
onyx hemlock
will see something move several tiers
balmy condor
deeper won't be meta for at least another tier tbh
unless you see a huge meta shift into dashing scoundrel
bleak sedge
Was deeper ever good for assa? As far as i remember i always used it on sub only
balmy condor
it hasn't been for a very long time, no
balmy condor
dreamweaver?
bleak sedge
it hasn't been for a very long time, no
Probably because our fckin energy regen is hard garbage
balmy condor
balmy condor
Probably because our fckin energy regen is hard garbage
well kinda, but that's actually not really the main reason
subtle tundra
wasnt deeper the better talent last patch with full expedient?
balmy condor
yeah
so the reason why deeper would taken, is for finisher damage, more than anything
bleak sedge
Wouldn't deeper feel super bad? Slowing down assa even more
balmy condor
and with exsang, a 6cp rupture is pretty good
subtle tundra
or you have stupid amounts of haste xd
balmy condor
similarly, if envenom damage is high, deeper would be meta as well
stoic needle
Doomblade deeper strat 
balmy condor
the reason you didn't see deeper in legion is because haste was a really bad stat
so even though the envenom damage was high, and it would've been a prime time deeper situation
you were actually 0 haste
so vigor there was just better
nowadays with us haste stacking, it's actually less cut and dry between the two because we're getting extra energy from haste
dark vigil
it also literally says right there that his sims had high error margin
balmy condor
yeah, it says that when you have an error of like 20 dps
+100 is way out of that scope
balmy condor
are we doing this again
fleet whale
I just really prefer on how vigor plays when compared to Deeper
stoic needle
Understandable
stoic needle
dungeon slice?
So what do you sim aoe with instead
stoic needle
Ok buddy
fleet whale
dungeon slice is good now
balmy condor
oh my god