assassination

[stoic needle]

Might be interesting if I get into this guild that's already 5/10

[slow marsh]

You aren't getting in for mythic for no reason so if you're there and gear drops for you it's yours

[stoic needle]

The ilvl thing is nice I guess in most situations so that you aren't forced to give away upgrades

[slow marsh]

Sometimes a fringe case where the upgrade is too huge for someone else so you trade but doesn't happen often in my experience with my guild

I mean yes but no

[low girder]

we did that with vitas sometimes but that was about it

[stoic needle]

Also with the 33% extra loot

That's nice

[slow marsh]

Last week had the 220 stone legion drop for me in heroic and I couldn't trade it to our off tank for mythic

[clever niche]

My guild uses personal loot helper, it drops for you then you keep else you send item to RL for raid roll

[slow marsh]

Was sadge moment

[stoic needle]

Damn rip

[slow marsh]

I was super down to trade as well but literally couldn't

[strange python]

if you get brought along for mythic and get an upgrade you shouldnt be forced to give it away to someone that did better lmao, in this day and age of wow I just think thats shitty

hey guys

[shy dust]

hello

[strange python]

looking to reroll back to my old main (rogue), decided to play hunter this expac

is sin really garbage rn ?

is it looking to be any better in 9.0.5?

[shy dust]

sin has a niche in having a rather good execute

but its still undertuned currently

and we do not know enough about 9.0.5 to know about the viability of any of the rogue specs

[slow marsh]

Just depends on what kind of mythic guild it is. Casual is casual so who cares there. You'll get CE after it's been nerfed to heroic levels

[stoic needle]

There's a chance that they will continue tuning or that there will be some new systems that give it a boost so don't give up forever

[strange python]

im just like extremely bored of my hunter, most boring class ive ever played

really missing my rogue

[slow marsh]

But you prioritize for the group as a whole when you're going for hall of fame on realm n stuff

[strange python]

if you're big competitive and going for hall of fame or w.e. i can at least see the mentality but if you're just going for eventual completion by the end of the tier then meh

yea

[stoic needle]

Yeah that's where I'm at. I'd just like to get ce

Don't really care about guild rank

[slow marsh]

Then it'll probs be chill

[stoic needle]

Also just tired of raiding in guilds that are mostly casual with a couple pumpers

[low girder]

k i see what whispyr was talking about with sim openers being a mess lmao holy shit what

[stoic needle]

Cuz I just end up frustrated as one of the pumpers when people can't do mechanics and due to stupid shit

[slow marsh]

Honestly it's nice to get out of the big fish small pond vibes guild-wise

Forces you to be better

[strange python]

lol my buddy's guild is going for hall of fame and they almost had to cancel raid yesterday, they wanted to bring 4 melee to sludge and a few people threw a hissy fit over it and threatened to not show up if they brought 4 melee

[shy dust]

thats rather dumb

[stoic needle]

Bruh what lmao

[shy dust]

4 melee is fine for sludge

[slow marsh]

Smart of them

[little moth]

Usually the ranged that make the most mistakes on sludge

[slow marsh]

Why bring 4 melee when you can bring 4 more mages

[shy dust]

because

there are skill differences

[strange python]

yea i was watching his prog and pretty much all wipes were due to ranged breaking chains and missing soaks

[little moth]

Melee got that shit on lock

[shy dust]

between players at most level

and you dont have an infinite amount of classes

[little moth]

But pretty sure playing ranged adds a -50iq modifier

[stoic needle]

It seems like it

Idk why

[strange python]

is sin still legit the bottom dps ?

[little moth]

Ranged brain

[strange python]

havent looked at rankings in a while

[little moth]

Tank brain

Never hear of melee brain

[stoic needle]

Mmm Zug brain is definitely a thing

In classic at least

[slow marsh]

No it's not but you're gonna regret going from hunter to rogue if you care about dps

[strange python]

im currently 221 mm

[little moth]

Hey didn't you hear preach

[strange python]

and man, i fucking hate this character

[little moth]

Rogue be rising

[stoic needle]

To the moon boys

To the moon

[strange python]

the ranged pumpers are always the first to complain about low dps in the raid when they're dying to mechanics every time

[uneven plume]

Rogue is gonna end up being meta again

[slow marsh]

If you want to play rogue for fun then what does it matter about dps ranking

[low girder]

remember when i said just hit buttons

[stoic needle]

I have faith in blizzard's inability to balance systems

[little moth]

Now are you going to be 📃 ✋

[strange python]

LOL

@slow marsh because i still wanna do decent dmg

[stoic needle]

What the fuck is that

[little moth]

Or 💎 ✋

[low girder]

that is my quick sim opener

LOL

[slow marsh]

Then you want outlaw

[low girder]

whispyr wasn't kidding

[uneven plume]

Weird looking spells

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/nagato-suzumiya-pc-msdos-work-gif-7506285

[vestal wren]

i think people overestimate the complexity of the spec

[low girder]

openers especially, i was talking to him about it earlier

[slow marsh]

Sin is middle of the pack. Has potential but not quite there yet

[stoic needle]

It depends on your definition of decent

[low girder]

and he's like yeah the sim opener if you look at it logically is a mess

but if you change it

it's not a gain

[vestal wren]

its not even a mess logically

just not what the majority thinks is the best order of execution

[low girder]

also the vanish ambush makes it look weird but it got a blindside proc

[vestal wren]

but i stated that with sub/sin a lot, you can change quite some things and won't notice a diffrence

[low girder]

yeah

[fallow otter]

Hahaha this seems so strange, it's funny what time does

[slow marsh]

Opening with sepsis from stealth seems wrong

[low girder]

seems wrong but isn't, at least with MA

[slow marsh]

Especially when it waits to shiv after 3 sec of tick

[low girder]

he's played with that one a lot

[slow marsh]

Oh I go subt for everything now

[low girder]

they're close i was just testing shit out

[stoic needle]

It's just because sepsis doesn't do enough damage either way to matter

Kinda like the rest of our abilities

[low girder]

believe subt was like 20 behind or something, not a lot to matter

[slow marsh]

But why sepsis when you can muti snd garrote muti rupture

[stoic needle]

Because it doesn't matter

[slow marsh]

Then muti shiv sepsis

I see so literally it just doesn't matter the order just get the stuff on

[stoic needle]

The difference between the most scuffed and the 'best' opener is like 5-10dps

Which is the margin of error of the sim

[low girder]

always relevant, never wrong

[stoic needle]

Basically irrelevant when you're doing 5k+ dps

[slow marsh]

Here I'm thinking of how to optimize my openers in the shower for 10dps gain

[stoic needle]

It's kinda sad tbh

I still try to do the 'best' one just because it makes me feel better

Looks better than a scuffed one on a log if someone was judging it

[low girder]

if it's dps neutral i might just do the old mut garr mut rup opener from bfa

idk

would be hard to get that out of my system

[stoic needle]

I enjoy using shiv and sepsis as builders

[slow marsh]

I'm gonna change it up after snd changes I think

Yeah I like using them to build too

[stoic needle]

Well yeah cttc could change everything actually

Gar snd could be our opener

[slow marsh]

Like not gonna snd until after both bleeds

[strange python]

ya at least shiv makes sepsis hurt a little bit on outlaw pressing sepsis makes me cringe

[slow marsh]

Garrote muti rupture sepsis shiv snd

[stoic needle]

I could see gar snd mut sepsis shiv rup being a thing with cttc

[slow marsh]

Either way I guess

[stoic needle]

Hmm

[low girder]

er i got that backwards DON'T DO WHAT I SAID LOL

meant mut rup mut garr

[stoic needle]

Since snd doesn't give energy anymore I think it becomes lower priority than rupture

[slow marsh]

My thinking is that we don't get energy regen on snd so it can come after rupture

Haha

[stoic needle]

Lol

[slow marsh]

Cuz you'll want to follow snd with an envenom asap I imagine

[stoic needle]

But then again, casting a low cp snd and then building it up with cttc could be good too

I need this simc update NOW

[slow marsh]

That's what I mean. One or two points snd then muti muti/blindside envenom

[low girder]

ye thinking about the bfa opener prolly not good

prolly still need the snd

early

[stoic needle]

Shame we can't get the 2+ minute SnD like outlaw can with grand melee lol

[slow marsh]

Maybe that's the idea with cttp? /Shrug

[stoic needle]

On the ptr cttc is capped at 5cp snd duration

[slow marsh]

Well in terms of never having to press it more than once

[stoic needle]

Well you will have to press it once or twice if it's capped

Depends on the intermission duration

[low girder]

could also be a possible bug, i remember SND doing weird ass shit with GM on beta at first too

[slow marsh]

That's true

I just want flag to be unbugged on ptr so I can know what haste % we are talking

[stoic needle]

Forreal

[low girder]

but i don't know how cttc worked originally, i came back in wod prepatch so we got it passive real fast

[late veldt]

So how does the cttc feel in the PTR, have they implemented the VW buff yet?

[stoic needle]

I'm gonna try it out tomorrow

[low girder]

oh i see it just refreshed to 5 CP max

not a bug then prolly

[stoic needle]

How does the cov swap back work? Do you have to complete the quests before you get to use the old cov abilities again

[late veldt]

Feels like it would be hard to get any higher than that without the cap? I dunno have not played rogue with cttc

[low girder]

2 weekly quests on separate lockouts that are like fill the bar

[slow marsh]

So new flag is 12 dmg proc and you build your haste then 12sec whatever haste you end on right? On 1.5 cd

12 sec dmg **

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[strange python]

u know those long as shit fill the bar quests from threads of fate

its pretty much one of those

[stoic needle]

Rip

[low girder]

ye

but if you start the swap on a monday, finish the first one, and grab the next on the tuesday and finish that you could theoretically be back to the old covenant within 24h

[stoic needle]

But you keep your current covenant abilities while you do them

[low girder]

you grind your ass off doing it that way though

yeah you don't lose them until both quests are done

[stoic needle]

Can you complete them both and then just not turn it in?

[low girder]

i dunno about both, i think you can do 1 though

[stoic needle]

So I could just click the button and be venthyr again when 9.0.5 patch day drops

Yeah I mean do the first and then do the 2nd but not turn it in

[low girder]

if they don't fuck it up during patching yeah i think so

[slow marsh]

I just swapped NF but it doesn't seem to be as big of gains as I thought. I wanted to go venthyr initially so I'm excited. Hell I'll even swap Necro if the minor sbs changes are good enough

[strange python]

just reroll and play with no covenant

[stoic needle]

Lone wolf covenant

[low girder]

turns out you need a covenant to make leggos

so make any other ones first

[stoic needle]

No abilites but all your stuff does +50% dmg

[slow marsh]

But 24 sec haste buff + the thrill haste buff does seem to be better than mastery+ burrs

What is this Divinity

[stoic needle]

Idk tbh I'll wait untill the sims come out to say what's better

But sin does love haste so it has potential

[slow marsh]

Yeah same

I'm chillin

[stoic needle]

Burrs goes brr

[dreamy ginkgo]

so hard to pick between sbs and flag because i think they’re both neat abilities

[stoic needle]

I'm gonna miss first strike the most

First strike makes me see what sin will be like after it ||scales||

[late veldt]

So you guys have decided to switch?

[stoic needle]

I was venthyr originally but swapped to nf cuz I was sick of trash flag and inconsistent soulbinds

[late veldt]

Yeah Ive been lurking this discord for some time now 😄

[dreamy ginkgo]

what’s the estimate on dustwalkers cd reduction? will it make flag and vendetta line up

[low girder]

if i'm being conservative i see it being a little higher than kyrian maybe

like you said venthyr soulbinds are pretty shit

[stoic needle]

But I can deal with inconsistent soulbinds if flag is decent

[slow marsh]

Damn on my hungering kill burrs did more damage than sepsis

[stoic needle]

Theotar is actually pretty decent in aoe when it procs at the right time

[slow marsh]

And mutilate

[late veldt]

Ive saved up some anima for a swap, venthyr has allways been a favorite, but the performance made me go NF

[stoic needle]

Theotar gives so much mastery you really notice your dots ticking harder

And adding a vers proc to flag isn't bad either

[late veldt]

Looking forward to some more sims on the covenants, should be interesting

[stoic needle]

If you run with a druid and can get them to mass entangle when you get soothing shade

[verbal mantle]

i wouldnt swap covenant rn anyway, will wait to have everything outlined in terms of numbers etc..

i dont want to leave the soulshape life

[stoic needle]

Soulshape is so nice

[slow marsh]

Soulshape is nice

[stoic needle]

Door is such ass

[slow marsh]

Door can get you out of stuff though

[late veldt]

druids only has one button and its not mass entanglement

[slow marsh]

Soulshape dashes you but you stay stuck

[low girder]

soulshape is so fucking good in this raid though

no ragrets

[slow marsh]

I mean phial is super clutch too though tbh.

[normal mist]

I played venthyr from day 1, switched about 2 weeks ago... No regrets. Although I also pvp

[slow marsh]

Not mad about any of the util abilities. But true door is weakest

[normal mist]

Nf now!

[late veldt]

How long cast time for door?

[low girder]

i've seen one clutch door ever in this raid and it was done by our disc lol, 'cause it's locked on the teleport target area so he used it while being dragged into artificer explosion

[verbal mantle]

if the difference is large enough, yeh i may swap to venthyr but otherwise ill stay NF
love too much that coveant

[low girder]

meanwhile i've seen dozens of clutch soulshapes

and vials

1.5s btw for cast time

[stoic needle]

It should be .5

[late veldt]

Thanks, thats really not a substitute for soulshape then

[stoic needle]

AND IT SHOULDN'T TAKE US OUT OF STEALTH

[little current]

swapping from NF to ventyr for my m+ group... you mean door of shit?

[stoic needle]

Why does a door of shadows take rogues out of the shadows

[little current]

i'll gladly give up door and flag for soulshape alone

[verbal mantle]

too much shadow kill the shadow

[late veldt]

*Door out of shadow

[strange python]

soulshape

[stoic needle]

The new corgi soulshape tho 😩

[strange python]

me and the boys soulshaping

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/253743390410276864/809496534172565524/image0.gif

[slow marsh]

The new flesh craft though

[strange python]

lol fleshcraft should have had those other features to begin with

so bad

[late veldt]

its an option for sure, why soulshape out of shit when u can stand in it

[slow marsh]

Exactly

[odd hazel]

hows sin looking in the next patch?

[slow marsh]

Bad

Terrible

Play outlaw

Tell your friends

[odd hazel]

yeah?

[strange python]

rogue in general just looking sad

[late veldt]

ye let me keep my raider IO rankings

[odd hazel]

serious question tbh.

[strange python]

reroll

[slow marsh]

On a serious note it's ok

[odd hazel]

just starting a rogue and was wondering how everything is tallying up. i play Sub currently ( 180ilvl)

[normal mist]

They ain't trolling xd

[slow marsh]

Outlaw is the best spec. Sin is probably better than sub at this point but that's not saying much

[trim zinc]

Its good but if u want to play sin just cuz it better play outlaw
We play sin cuz we like it

Sad

[slow marsh]

We need more buffs to really match other melees

[strange python]

sin and sub in a neck and neck race for whos a bigger piece of shit 🏁

[late veldt]

Man i feel for sub, getting f'ck every exp

[trim zinc]

Yes

[trim zinc]

Bis for zul in uldir lmao

[odd hazel]

im assuming outlaw is just getting better then ?

[slow marsh]

Pretty much

[trim zinc]

Outlaw is better rn and will stay better

But we play that shitty spec

[slow marsh]

Same ST and priority damage as Sub but has free cleave

[odd hazel]

Thanks fam~

[slow marsh]

Np

[late veldt]

This pirate theme man..... I just can't deal

[slow marsh]

Honestly

[odd hazel]

#DeadMenTellNoTales

[trim zinc]

I hate outlaw since it was combat rogue

[slow marsh]

I loved combat when it was the underdog in wrath

I leave and comeback and it's pirates. I refuse to play it on principle

[trim zinc]

Classic bc wotlk= sub+sin
I Always hated combat since that

[late veldt]

Feels like they copying some Eastern MMO

pirates in Warcraft

[odd hazel]

tbh, i prefered legion Outlaw over this. atleast it was spicey

[trim zinc]

I liked sub all the eay before legion

[cosmic prism]

people are so hung up on outlaw being a pirate, just dont have a pirate tmog

[strange python]

outlaw only feels pirate themed to me because of the rtb animation, if they had a glyph that got rid of it or replaced it with something else i dont think people would rly feel that way

[slow marsh]

I used to play hemo sub with a 1h

Outlaw has pistol shots you have to press

[strange python]

yeah guns dont equal pirates though

[slow marsh]

It's unavoidable

[odd hazel]

i mean, roll the bones is pirate themed alone

[slow marsh]

Yes when they are shaped like pirate pistols

And when sinister strike sounds like some shitty cutlass swinging around

[trim zinc]

Meee tooo

[odd hazel]

the pistol is shapped like a pirate gun

also, cutlass swords for outlaw

[cosmic prism]

dont play with game sound, use a dagger offhand, mace mainhand

[slow marsh]

Then I can't hear my killing spree

[strange python]

eh its not as bad as it used to be, they literally had a cannon attack

[slow marsh]

The whole reason I loved the spec to begin with

[strange python]

I think people would have preferred a pirate class

[slow marsh]

It's more just they had no reason to force the class fantasy of combat into pirates

Combat was perfectly fine. Edwin VanCleef was a combat rogue. But they changed that and said na Tethys the pirate is your guy

[late veldt]

Yeah dont get me started on the sound effects, makes my ear bleed

[slow marsh]

I would play outlaw in a heartbeat if it was the bandit archetype it originally was. But yeah as long as it's pirates it's a no go. I'd rather reroll

[dreamy ginkgo]

does doomblade proc VW

[slow marsh]

No

[trim zinc]

Like i was a druid my whole life (feral most of time)
Idk i like the "control dot thing" snapshot and that kinda stuff

So sin>>

[ripe seal]

How's Assassination looking after the tuning guys?

[tribal marlin]

My estimation give Vendetta 70-75sec cooldown with Duskwalker as it is on PTR.
Tho this doesn't include external haste buff such as PI or Bloodlust.
I also estimated a "lowest possible Vendetta CD" in case of some 3t+ cleave situation and it's 52sec.

[dreamy ginkgo]

are they worth lining up?

[tribal marlin]

We can probably count on a 60sec Vendetta with lust, and then 70-75s.

[slow marsh]

They aren't worth giving up execute for

[tribal marlin]

idk it's usually not good to keep ability off CD. Especially if you have CDR

[slow marsh]

As nice as it would be

[slow marsh]

Same pretty much. Just minor qol buff but still cheeks

[trim zinc]

Idk id i like vendetta less then 2min cuz ot doesmt line up wirh vanish;-;

[tribal marlin]

And yes it's pretty hard to give up on Execute. But if a fight happen to have some 70sec requiered burst dps, then Duskwalker will fine a very good niche. Because Vendetta is probably one of the best cooldown if you put it in the category of stricly <75sec cooldown (with comboost)

[ripe seal]

So, it will still be the worst of the 3 ?

[slow marsh]

It would be better than dashing

And doomblade

[quasi ledge]

Just bribe a NF Priest to give you 30 sec reduction

[slow marsh]

Because of the niche

[ripe seal]

I meant, 3 specs

[slow marsh]

Oh mybbbbbbb

Sub and sin are fighting for who is worse but really they both suck

[tribal marlin]

With the correct gear Assa will be (and probably already is) the best progression spec of all 3.

[slow marsh]

Shhhhhhhhh

[tribal marlin]

Unless fight heavily favor another spec (like Sludge for Sub or SLG for Outlaw)

[odd hazel]

is there a reason its more favored for prog?

[slow marsh]

Execute

And ease of use with mechanics

[tribal marlin]

mostly this yes

Strong downtime dps is something big in progression

[slow marsh]

Although you'll have a hard time convincing a raid lead why they should put you in over another mage or boomie

[tribal marlin]

And the ease of the spec allow you to allocate 99% of your focus on mechanics

[sturdy shale]

Castle Nathria had a LOT of fights with a "standing around doing fuck all" intermission, hoping next tier cuts down on that tbh

[tribal marlin]

Like if you gotta move from melee for any reason. As assa you 1) still deal a large portion of your damage while moving with dots and 2) you can move for a good 7sec+ before actually capping energy.

So at the end you come back to the boss with shiv up, a full energy bar ready and you almost loose no dps.

Tho i'm not telling you can't play other spec in progression. The 4th world best guilde had a Rogue (subtlety) for Sire progression and Exorsus (8th world best) had one during their entiere progress including SLG and Sire.

And they were not Assa of course. (was before the buffs)

[kindred crescent]

what lego would you recommend for jkust heroic raid

[tribal marlin]

Zoldyck

[vestal wren]

assassination also gets quite a lot from additional targets

so its rly not a bad pick

the atm bigger weakness of the spec is possibly the lack of super strong aoe

but i am not sure how much of a concern that is

[tribal marlin]

Yes keep in mind that these rogue (Ashine and Teyka) would probably play Assa as long as assa is neither completly undertune or the encounter heavily favor another spec

If we'd started the progression for Nathria with today's Tuning, me and a lot of Rogue would probably go for Assa by default

[vestal wren]

i haven't talked to teyka

i think ashine doesen't like the current sub iteration

because of how little impact shadow dance has

[tribal marlin]

idk maybe one day we'll have higher version of Stilleto and we will be able to sync SB with 90sec cov ability and we'll have some sort of strong burst

but

[vagrant mist]

is coldheart interstita on rotation this week ?

[tribal marlin]

was on last week so I don't think so

[vagrant mist]

damn goodbye leggo for a while...

[tribal marlin]

but you can get legendary from any wings of Torghast in Twisting Corridor

[vagrant mist]

oh i didnt unlock it yet

[strange python]

this week is fracture/soulforg

[cunning needle]

uhhhhh

why do I have grand melee buff as assi?

[strange python]

do you have count the odds conduit on

by accident

[cunning needle]

yes

[strange python]

idk

[cunning needle]

i do

[strange python]

thats why

[cunning needle]

thanks

i have smooth brain

[potent gorge]

Soo you can gain outlaw buffs as assa if you have that? 🤣

[vestal wren]

you can

[dusky vault]

imagine if that was a dps gain

[vestal wren]

its a damage gain over not using a potency

[sturdy shale]

Does Zoldick still beat out the other leggos on the PTR changes?

[merry fox]

In pure ST DS still be better

[kindred crescent]

sooooo doomblade will be best now

for single target

[low girder]

no, dashing is still better on pure ST

zoldyck still the best overall

[kindred crescent]

even after 9.0.5

[low girder]

yes

[trim zinc]

If we could use 2 leggos would us use zold and dashing??

[gentle gyro]

i'd guess doomblade + zold

but at this point it's just speculation

https://i.imgur.com/bWFQ3Xh.png

i hate this community

[kindred crescent]

im lucky to be in a guild that likes players who know mechanics and try rather than dps sluts

[normal mist]

Rule number 1 of my M+

• never, ever, in any circumstances, play with Russians. I'm not racist, idk about that at all, but for some reason, the last 5/6 keys I did with one in my party, he left mid run

Rule number 2

• don't invite premades

That's it and you good to go

[late veldt]

How do you guys use CT, some people tend to spam it but im just trying to refresh when expired

[quaint siren]

Actually true .... dont wanna be rude but russians are serious coinflip especially tanks its like 50:50 u will get some kind of crazy good tank or superiously bad one who will bitch over everything .. same happens to some realms on EU(kazzak, sanguino etc. ..)

No offense to russian or people from named realms 🙂 i know there are some really goood players

[normal mist]

I love to see russian premade pvp parties, you know if they are on your side it's probably a win game, but damn why do the ones I get in m+ keep leaving without fixing wtvr their problem was with the party during the run instead of just /leave?
The other day at a +12 SoA we wiped 1 TIME, russian shaman healer well cya folks

[gentle gyro]

people that leave dungeons cause they won't be timed below like +16 are scum

[quaint siren]

True

[gentle gyro]

no one cares if you have outtime keys on your profile you elitist fuck

[quaint siren]

Or if someone seriously fuck up and you tell him what to do to not fail it .. like no toxic no emotions and he just go full berzerk he fucked your mom grandmom and will fuck your daughter and then he leave ... love these guys

[normal mist]

I love when they even fuck my parrot

And I don't have a parrot

[quaint siren]

Even get jumped back in bfa cause tank was streaming and i seriously vented by “why always tanks from kazzak are just bad”

Got whispers from like 20guys from his stream that i am fuckin piece of shit and i should kms and so on xdd

[normal mist]

I also tend to keep away from sanguino realm.

I'm from grim batol so I ain't much better

[quaint siren]

Ye tell me about it ... Drakthul folk here

Never met a more toxic community from my country ... never ever in any other game and i play LoL aswell .. 😄

[normal mist]

So you /mute all often?

:3

[quaint siren]

Nonono

I enjoy the show

[normal mist]

Well I used to

[quaint siren]

Xd

[strange python]

I used to think league was the worst and then I met angry tanks in mythic+ pugs

my lord

its just comical

[quaint siren]

I also love this “hero syndrome”

[strange python]

I was doing a 13 halls recently and this monk tank halted everything after the third trash pull to start shit talking our mage

they went back and forth for about 5 mins pulling nothing

[quaint siren]

Like when some dps just jump into pack with tank standing in every possible bullshit dont kick anything get vaporized and then ... “FuCkIn HeAlEr”

[strange python]

and then the tank left

[normal mist]

I'm the worst healer possible. I cant play healer because dude, if I see you standing in shit because you want to dps, you bet you won't be healed LOL

[strange python]

lol my buddy did that today

UDK was just standing in red shit on halls

[quaint siren]

Thats what my friend usually do, people learn very quickly or leave very quickly

[strange python]

didnt even bother healing him

just let him die

[quaint siren]

Yep

Why wasting mana on someone who will just die naturally some secs later ?

My premade also did this to me while i started playing with him

And its the best way to learn

[strange python]

I think some ppl dont play with auras that tell them if they're standing in crap so they just dont notice and die

and if youre that type of person you need a WA

[quaint siren]

They should just put gtfo in their addon list

Or WA

[normal mist]

I can play all the 3 roles easily, have been doing it for the last expansions (since mop) so I know. My way around pretty much every class/spec/role (I... Have a lot of alts, don't blame me, I also grow tired of whatever I'm playing really quickly) so I can clearly see when someone is fucking up. As a dps I can do my best to help the tank / healer, as a tank I can position myself correctly so the party doesn't have to suffer but... As a healer? Ahahah either you do your shit correctly or you'll be watching your screen black and white 😂 😂 😂

[quaint siren]

I know i seriously cant play healer

I would become serial killer

[normal mist]

LOL

[cunning needle]

if you're on 5CP and can envenom (dont need to refresh rupture/snd) and shiv is like 2 sec off cd

• Is it better to envenom -> shiv or do you shiv (overcap CP) and then envenom

[quaint siren]

I would envenom, muti, shiv and pray for lucky cp

And envenom right after ofc

[cunning needle]

kk

thx

[quaint siren]

Anyway how do you feel about assa in 9.0.5 with SnD
And with reworked venthyr ability ?

[cunning needle]

less casting SnD is always good in my books

no idea about venth

[toxic sparrow]

i think it's gonna be pretty good at least for single target

[cunning needle]

unless its super big dps inc

i cbf swapping again

finally caught up on renown and point switchy things for cov

[gentle gyro]

it gives nuts amount of haste now reliably, no?

[quaint siren]

I will swap to venthyr like 100% cause flag was just meh but in 9.0.5 it should work nicely

No fear of missing the reactivation and so on

[gentle gyro]

people might stay NF anyways because of pvp

soulshape is way too good

[quaint siren]

Thats true

[gentle gyro]

one could say TOO good

[quaint siren]

Door of shadow can be good in some niche scenarios but other way soulshape is insane

[gentle gyro]

as someone that plays healers in pvp, playing vs rogue mage every other game is annoying

because you can't keep him infight

[strange python]

dont u love

when the mage or rogue has dreamweaver pod

[quaint siren]

🙂

[strange python]

[quaint siren]

Pod...

[toxic sparrow]

Ventyr will give us more haste and that new passive makes us only have to cast SnD 1 time per fight. 18 Secs + on SnD every 6 cp envenom is nice

[quaint siren]

In pure pve i think venthyr assa will be pretty good especially on ST

[trim zinc]

6 cp??

[toxic sparrow]

combo points

[quaint siren]

With DS

[trim zinc]

yaya i know but thats good???

[toxic sparrow]

more combo points more damage

[trim zinc]

u dont have vigorhmmm

[toxic sparrow]

idk if we are gonna have to use Vigor tho

[quaint siren]

Well your finishers will do more damage.. ye u will feel that it is little hit slower but with enough haste vigor is just ... meh

I would better play MfD then vigor ever again

On any rogue soec

[toxic sparrow]

its a +15 secs with 5 Combo points

still pretty good imo

i dont like MfD tbh

[gentle gyro]

idk i like vigor for it's simpilcity

[toxic sparrow]

i think maybe in 9,1 cause of gear we wont need Vigor anymore and probably go for Deeper Stratagem

[quaint siren]

Yep, like always

I kinda miss end of last season of bfa

92% base haste .. bleed build ... epic opener lalalalalala corruptions

[gentle gyro]

man every m+ group i join falls apart

why does every tank think pulling shit with everyone at 50% is fine

i swear during grievous weeks i want tanks with a certificate that they have a heal alt or sth

[quaint siren]

Cause it can be if healer have tempo and he is used to it... never recommended to do this in pugs

But ye on grievous

Its better to go without stacks

[gentle gyro]

i main heal and i refuse to play during grievous weeks

also, hot take, fortified is way worse to deal with than tyrannical

[quaint siren]

After tyra nerf ? 100%

I had to switch to tank for our m+ group cause our tank just said fuck it i wont tank anymore ... ngl tyra is way less painfull then forti if u dont have much place for kiting

These big mfs in nw at the necropolis ... god they seriously hit like a truck

[tribal marlin]

If we could play double leggo we have Doomblade + Zoldyck which synergyze together. Or Dashing + Duskwalker which also synergyze together

Doomblade + Zoldyck look strong tho if Doomblade dot is increased by Zoldyck

AND the highest sim would probably be Doomblade + Dashing regardless

[trim zinc]

awhy not zol+dashing? 30% execute +poison crit

[tribal marlin]

good too i guess

Well if we get to equip 2 leggo, assa will deffo be in a very good spot

[trim zinc]

a lot of other classes 2 so maybe it will be the same

[merry fox]

Just look at outlaw legos choice

infinite possibilities

[tribal marlin]

I wonder how blunderbuss is looking with the change

[merry fox]

Does every additional shot from blunderbuss has buff from opportunity proc?

If yes it would be insane

[tribal marlin]

I have no idea

But hero damage is simming with GS and I'm kinda lazy to compare with QD insteed

but it deffo more value than juste +50% on hero damage value

[merry fox]

hero damage doesn't include ptr buffs i guess

[tribal marlin]

no it doesn't

[merry fox]

But imagine x4 pistol shot from blunderbuss with 300% buff from greenskin....wet dream i guess

[tribal marlin]

pvp meme out there

[merry fox]

Convoke and divine toll already here

[tribal marlin]

perfect let's play ret balance outlaw

[toxic tusk]

So we ran heroic castle last night! We stopped at Huntsman due to some mechanics issues but by switching up my opener and chasing down barghast to keep up my dots I managed to pull top dps on almost every fight! You guys rock.

[normal mist]

It's all on you, you pressed those buttons

[gloomy fern]

so whats the garrote pandemic

[celest ruin]

30% of duration

[wind nacelle]

Prolly 5,4?

[celest ruin]

yep 5.4

[wind nacelle]

Garrote is 18 sec right

Yuh

[gloomy fern]

ty

[frigid kestrel]

Are people new to Pandemic? or just new to Sin? I'm not being negative, this is just the first time ive seen so many pandemic discussions in here in a very long time.

[storm onyx]

Lots of ppl started to play after the prune

They miss the concept apparently

[toxic tusk]

I had no idea what pandemic is. Still don’t. Isn’t just a nice word for “best time to renew dots”?

[frigid kestrel]

So brand new to Sin then

[toxic tusk]

Or is pandemic an actual ability I’ve never seen?

[gloomy fern]

no im just switching to sin for sire mythic and making new was

[tribal marlin]

all started with this

(affliction warlock ultimate talent tree trait back in mmmh cataclysm ?)

[frigid kestrel]

To simplify Pandemic its like this in the most simplest form. Refresh DOT early and it lasts longer then what it did before up to a certain percentage

[tribal marlin]

Now it's global scale for any kinda of dot / hot / buff / debuff and is 30%

[frigid kestrel]

Ahh, thats what all the hub bub is about

[honest basin]

I mean it's been 30% for like 3 expansions at least

[tulip tide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[honest basin]

Not exactly "new change" !

[frigid kestrel]

Man im dumb, ive only played Sin Rogue for the pass 15 years and nothing else ever (Except Sub for this Xpac so far) i just assumed Pandemic was a thing to all classes everywhere.

Turns out im not so dumb, it has been a standard to all classes fo a while now

Weird that this just came up tho

[tribal marlin]

The most important change to dots happened in mmmh Legion or WoD maybe ?
They homogenize dot scaling with Haste.
Basically the haste still work the old way (makes your dot tick faster so for us our dot tick at a rate of 2/(1+Haste/100) ) but Dots now always last for a fixed amount of time and you get an additionnal "partial" tick at the end of your dot. So that the haste benefit is now completly linear and continue. This way they annihilated all the "haste cap" for dots.

[toxic tusk]

So is it a sweet spot? Or just refresh it at 5.4>

I normally refresh my rupture at like 1-4 seconds left.

[tribal marlin]

Basically before the change you had like hard cap haste with X amount of haste giving you 1 more tick and Y amount of haste giving you 2 more ticks and nothing inbetween.
Now you can have +2.3 ticks or +1.95 tick etc...

And I say this just for you to know, but it's something you don't need to know 😄

IDK I have a weak aura, I refresh when it glow end of the story xD

ye 5.4 should be it

[toxic tusk]

Haha, same. I made a few simple weak auras that glow and show the countdown when rupture and garrotte is applied to whoever I’m targeting.

And one that has shiv pop up and glow (at a way bigger size) when it’s ready because I always missed it

So is 3.2 just as good as 5.4? I mean like, is it as long as it’s under 5.4 we’re good?

[tribal marlin]

It doesn't really matter if you refresh at 5.4 or 0.5

just refresh it during pandemic that's all

[gloomy fern]

can i filter dmg to sire at 30-0% somehow or just gotta do a time zoom?

[wind totem]

pick p3 and then filter time zoom according to his health

[frigid kestrel]

Same, makes it a think-less task

[hollow escarp]

you can select phase 3

here

now I feel like a fool because you probably didn't care about sire and just overall 30%

[tough trail]

third talent row for m+ guys, what do u play?

[tribal marlin]

I'm not skilled enough but i'm sure you can do something with queries.
Other wise you can do this to see exactly when the boss reach 30% and just zoom in :
https://i.imgur.com/V9x4Vso.gif

[gloomy fern]

i only care about sire dmg about to prog him mythic just wanted to check diff between mikihasa running subter and other master ass during the last 30% with zoldyck etc

[tribal marlin]

then you just do some maths like Sire has 39500k hp so he is at 30% when he reach 12000k more or less

[gloomy fern]

i see ty, kinda annoying shivs dont show up but im guessing u just use it before u go for like 3 envenoms

[tribal marlin]

so on the log I show it's around 7:45

should be around this most of the time

I could have done way more damage on both my kills

but idk i'm not fully focus on dps

[hollow escarp]

you played double on use

[gloomy fern]

doesnt everyone

[hollow escarp]

based on sims, I should play the same, but I hate it

[tribal marlin]

Also I Vend at 30% and 5% but it mean I don't get Lust during Vendetta. But the only way I can get Lust during vendetta is like to Vendetta at exactly 6:45 or like 6:55 max so 10sec into phase 3. But then it make all the timer in phase 2 scuffed

so I cba trying to do this and just vendetta on CD starting in phase 2

Oh and I objectively lack a tons of gear to optimally play assa 😦

[hollow escarp]

I play MFD

[gloomy fern]

same i only got 504 haste due to sub/pvp gear

can buy 2 new haste pvp pieces next reset though

[tribal marlin]

they gave the Inerva ring to fucking applicants twice in a rowx

i'm mad >.<

all I need is Inerva ring + Sire ring

[hollow escarp]

gearing trials

[tribal marlin]

1.4% upgrade each of it xD

[spice spire]

Haste rings

[hollow escarp]

I have 544 haste

[gloomy fern]

i still sim 6150 as sin so should be enough to kill sire

[tribal marlin]

but ye anyway I know Seli is using Vendetta starting of phase 3 and then during lust with potion

but we were lacking a lot of Phase 2 damage (they were not)

and doing this would mean I would have done 1 less boss vendetta in phase 2 and it sucks

so I just kept going with my timings

[gloomy fern]

well progging it first time on sunday but fight look pretty simple tbh

[tribal marlin]

do you have a bop for phase 3 ?

I guess not

I mean on you personnally

well anyway you have some time before phase 3, better start looking at phase 2

[gloomy fern]

not tried the fight yet and only seen limit/echo clear it on farm so dunno much yet 😄

activated and set up hotkeys for sin yday

after SLG kill

[tribal marlin]

This fight is easy if everyone in your raid know what they will have to face during phase 2 and phase 3

by looking at videos

and you shouldn't be concerned, but there is a little bit of time going on (like maybe 1 day) to set up the phase 1 as well

assuming you don't fight the lag as well

It is extremely important that people in your raid look at phase 3 on different PoV. It's all about placement and movement

[gloomy fern]

looks easy, range place 2 on edge for melee to soak and melee place in middle for range and melee get knocked reversed

[tribal marlin]

Yes it's more for the Massacre ones

[gloomy fern]

and dont walk into eachother

[tribal marlin]

If your heal comp in mirror is Shamy pally and not double pally, I bet you will not get BoP

then have fun hahahahaha for 2nd massacre

2nd massacre is made so that if you don't have an immunity, or a way to negate the knock back, you 100% gonna die.

and unfortunately CoS don't prevent the knock 😦

[gloomy fern]

just shadowstep

[tribal marlin]

Yes sure

better set your macro to a trustful guy 😄

[gloomy fern]

but yeah we only have 1 hp

not seen it but unable to step sire or

[tribal marlin]

nop

gotta be a friend

[gloomy fern]

i miss double step also

[tribal marlin]

Also make sure to equip the step conduit

idk how the range is computed but it's awful I was like "hors los" beside steping 0.1sec after getting knoc. Only way I manage to survive was cheat death (because ye ... cos doesn't prevent Ravage damage neither, only Massacre damage)

[trim zinc]

i dont have it sad

[gloomy fern]

oh well, hopefully it dies during next reset

cant be worse than SLG

[tribal marlin]

https://i.imgur.com/XGizc0J.gif

well

basically looks like this

my macro is set to the X marker and constantly he was "out of los"

so I ended just yolo it

so you can guess if you don't have immunity or kock back immune well

you are just dead

[gloomy fern]

he drags u in to pizza slice? cant u position him to avoid it

[tribal marlin]

No you can't. Once he start casting Sinister Reflexion (pizza slice) then he immediately cast the knockback

only thing you can do is :

1. get BoP so you don't get knocked back. (easy solution but other might need it more than you)
2. Cloak Massacres damage, Cheat on Ravage and just replace your self.
3. Shadowstep on a friend which isn't too far away

but as I said, the range calculation for ShS is a bit wierd. Seems to calculate from the "end point" of the knockback rather than your actual position in the air

[gloomy fern]

i mean if u cloak cant u just palce urself on othe rside and get knocked out of sinister

[tribal marlin]

No you still get Pizza sliced if you do that (I tried)

But if you equip the conduit you should not have trouble steping

I made a gif based on a replay where I wasn't able to step

but usually I can step without trouble

it just that ... well you'd better step on a trusted ally xD

During prog I was just soaking all of this shit with Cheat Death

[gloomy fern]

is it the second sinister or

[tribal marlin]

as long as you don't get hit by massacre you are fine

yes 2nd pizza slice

Oh and as you can see on the gif : The casters are really close to us, they need to instantly take the demonic gate so we can move

[deft parcel]

is the wowhead guide accurate or not that good

[gusty mirage]

I’m not sure if Mystler updated the guide yet, but he’s a theorycrafting legend so it’d be safe to follow. Any other questions you can ask Whispyr who’s also super smart

🙂

[deft parcel]

@gusty mirage hey thanks for your input on this

always appreciative of this new era of gaming we're in, where i can go to someone and get help on something pretty instantly

what is the general consensus on Crimson Tempest vs Poison Bomb in M+?

[gusty mirage]

AFAIK CT is the go-to because it’s just better in aoe than PB. I haven’t played assa in keys this tier yet though, so take my advice with a grain of salt

[teal bloom]

Guys, can gcd go below 1 second? I am wondering if it is possible to miss the sepsis damage "burst" if I use sepsis just before shiv

[sleek otter]

no its not

possible to go below 1 sec

but they both last 9 seconds

[teal bloom]

sepsis is 10 shiv 9

[sleek otter]

oh yea ur right

I personally sepsis into shiv

[deft parcel]

does the shiv nature damage benefits kick in even if sepsis is already applied?

[sleek otter]

Yes

[frozen jasper]

I think it doesnt matter much what you do first

[strange silo]

wouldnt it be better to sepsis first then shiv because the last dmg instance if the targets survives benefits more?

[storm onyx]

Sepsis before shiv to cover the last dd tick is the optimal

You would Sepsis after Shiv IF you are running Sepsis conduit for pvp though to max the dot dmg burst

[frozen jasper]

Thats how i do it Too but i don’t think it‘s a very noticeable gain

[teal bloom]

yeah the burst of damage if target survives is about 4 times the amount sepsis dot does per second so it is worth sacrificing one second of the dot

[candid quarry]

Would u still Shiv with max CP just to get the buff for envenom?

[quaint phoenix]

Usually you want to pool some energy b4 dumping 2-3 envenoms in shiv window so i would probably wait to pool properly

[misty holly]

Whispyr always says to just Shiv on cooldown

I typically wait until I think I can at least get one envenom in during the shiv

Seems a waste to shiv when I have to immediately refresh Garrote, then SnD, then Rupture

but trying to fit 2-3 envenoms every time isn't worth it for sure.

[tribal marlin]

This case barely happens. And you should not hesitate to refresh (Rupt and SnD especially) early if you know they will fade during shiv.

[frozen jasper]

to answer that question, yes i shiv with 5 cp

[tribal marlin]

It's important to not delay Shiv. On long fight lenght you can easily loose multiple cast of Shiv if you start delaying it even only 2-3sec each time just to like pop it at 5 cp or what

just Shiv on CD and refresh SnD early if it happen that it will fade during Shiv

[sharp orchid]

The new change in PTR will definitely help with that Aswell

[tribal marlin]

for sure

[frozen jasper]

yeah didnt think about that

[quick vale]

Do any of the trinkets in SL scale with mastery ?

[minor salmon]

Trinkets do not scale off mastery/CDs as of patch 8.0 class cds are whitelists

[quick vale]

cool ty for the response!

[strange silo]

Quick question i wanna try to do some keys as sin rogue how do we use CT just spam it or refresh it like rupture/garrote and use low cp ruptures on mobs?

[minor salmon]

Check the guides under aoe rotation

[strange silo]

ah ok on icy veins there is a multi target rotation i just looked on wowhead and there isnt really one

does it change something if i have celestial guidance on oh and sinful on mh or should i swap the enchants?

[wind nacelle]

Wait wut

Cut to the chase returning?

😮

[grizzled jay]

Y?..

[wind nacelle]

Hadn’t seen that yet

[normal mist]

But, altought not a big chance, the 10% bonus energy regen is gone

For assa ofc

[woeful orbit]

thinking about running sin on M Articifer this week. That said, i havent really run sin, yet. Anyone have a crash course on opener/rotation since recent buffs?

[rare ember]

Should i prio Doomblade or Dusk for next leggo to make?

[manic merlin]

We are not top 5 as outlaws overall. Either way my point is that you need descent rolls to have a good parse

[dark vigil]

This is sin chat

[pseudo aspen]

MP in Ashran

[dark vigil]

Panda rogue

Get him boys

[pseudo aspen]

100% food buff and more fall dmg reduction on top of rogue passive

?

[meager egret]

The only crime I see here is no FemPanda

Red Panda tail bis

[raven locust]

If you're not a cutie Fem Orc you're not playing the game

[stoic needle]

Refresh ct in pandemic and spam it when there are 8+ targets. Don't worry about spreading low cp ruptures go for full ones imo unless you're doing really low keys

[sly elk]

Hmm

8 energy per pop instead of 7

[strange python]

so my sin rogue will be my first alt of the expac

[sly elk]

Seems a lil underwhelming

[icy crater]

its basically a net 0 change

[strange python]

whats the fastest way to gear alts now a days?

without getting carried

[balmy condor]

Probably dungeon spamming

Or pvp

[vagrant delta]

BGs up to 197 is probably the fastest

[dark vigil]

ive painfully.. very painfully.. taken 10 characters to 60 now

bgs to 197. do all ur m0. do lfr (yuck but yea)

[vagrant delta]

Also can upgrade covenant gear to 197 once you get your renown up

[dark vigil]

buy the really cheap BoE's if you can afford it

costs anima

a new alt isnt gonna have a lot of anima

[icy crater]

I bought blue gear AH then did BGs to like 180 and spammed 2s for full conq bar

[dark vigil]

yes

i forgot that part

buy the full 168 blue set

[sly elk]

Random question but what’s your guys go-to weapon mog

[icy crater]

m0 is a nice bonus if you can do that

[sly elk]

I’m trying to be both styling AND profiling

[dark vigil]

artifact for sin

like a true gamer

i'd do all m0 anyways for conduit potentials

and halls/DoS have anima quest

[icy crater]

and look for conduits on world quests

that one is a huge tip

[dark vigil]

sang/DoS*

yeah but typically at the start you're gonna have 158 ilvl wq drops

can be good tho

depends

[icy crater]

better than nothing,

158->200 is only like 5% on some abilities

[sly elk]

Don’t neglect your mission table also

[dark vigil]

definitely recommend doing all 168 blue ah gear, start on ur covenant stuff til u get bottlenecked by renwon level, do all m0 and LFR for renown/gear/conduits

[icy crater]

I neglect the fuck out of my mission table

[sly elk]

Surprisingly good gear can pop in there once it’s far enough along and it takes like 3 seconds to assign folks

[dark vigil]

then do bgs to 197 or keys

trust me i've taken 10 characters to 60 now

and 7 of them are 205+

but if you think i actively play any of them now

you'd be insane

[icy crater]

someone tried to tell me threads of fate was pog

Confirm for me that they have no idea what they're talking about

[sly elk]

Pog?

Like the little collectible things from the 90s?

[icy crater]

yeah those

[sly elk]

That’s a weird analogy

[icy crater]

nah it means like

ooo i got a new pog

so like good

[sly elk]

Oh

[icy crater]

yeah

[sly elk]

Well getting a new pog is always good

[wind nacelle]

Slang these days

flips table

[sly elk]

Threads of fate could be “pog” in that case I suppose depending on how you like to do content

[icy crater]

solo

[dark vigil]

threads of fate is pretty shit

unless you have like 2 people to spam dungeons with and are competent

i did 3 of my characters with threads of fate

rest did campaign

swapp[ing to threads of fate at 60

theres an optimal guide for which side quests to do and stuff

[stoic needle]

I don't care whether the campaign is faster, I will never sit through all of that unskippable dialogue again

[icy crater]

aap has an afk timer which is kinda nice

[dark vigil]

i dont blame you

i think its more painful rerunning the same 3 dungeons 30 times

but each their won

own

[stoic needle]

Yeah but at least I'm practicing for how to play my character in dungeons that way

And I can pick herbs or skin in-between queues and make gold

[strange python]

Why do people use "pog" instead of just saying "good"?

like cmon.... this isn't twitch

[raven locust]

Because you immediately picture the emote when someone says Pog giving it a greater effect. Pretty simple stuff

[strange python]

I mean I guess if you sit on twitch all day sure

[dark vigil]

yes

[strange python]

Just seems very neckbeardy to me

[raven locust]

I spend almost zero time on twitch and use pog, why is an emote making you so upsetti

[dark vigil]

yeah very weird to be upset about that lol

or to judge

i have friends who never use twitch and have adapated to using Pog and such

[raven locust]

I bet he lost an arena match and the guy hit him with a twitch emote

[balmy condor]

Welcome to the internet

We have slang here

[raven locust]

No slang allowed

[sleek sparrow]

Pog shaming in 2021

[dark vigil]

[raven locust]

[strange python]

lol not that, just saying it just sounds... dumb

[stoic needle]

[sleek sparrow]

Imagine not saying "pepehands" instead of saying "that sucks"

[stoic needle]

I mean most slang sounds dumb

[dark vigil]

imagine not saying sadge instead of fuck man that sucks

[strange python]

lmao

[sleek sparrow]

True

[strange python]

what have i started

[raven locust]

Your friend gets a huge upgrade and you just whisper him, "good" instead of pog

[stoic needle]

I've watched maybe a grand total of 10 hours of streams in my entire life and I use pog daily

[raven locust]

Now thats cringe

[dark vigil]

nop

[sleek sparrow]

Poggies > Pog

[dark vigil]

[sleek sparrow]

Who doesn't use twitchemotes add-on in wow

[dark vigil]

wait thats an addon

i need that

[short hamlet]

Next thing I know we're going to be shaming scaling

⚖️

[balmy condor]

We do shame that

[stoic needle]

[dark vigil]

[short hamlet]

Whispyr what do you know? Some dude on the INTERNET with many INTERNET followers told me ROGUE SCALES BIG

[sleek sparrow]

[balmy condor]

Okay I didn’t want to do this

But you guys

Are about to be blessed

[stoic needle]

[dark vigil]

whispyr WHISPYR SHOULD I REROLL SIN

[balmy condor]

By an ultra rare pepe

[short hamlet]

Holy shit it's the scale pepe

[strange python]

I legit just complained to my guildies that i can't hit 6k with sims and they told me im complaining about a scaling class

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

No sharing now

This is for sin players only

[short hamlet]

[short hamlet]

Do not worry my child. You will scale into valhalla

[stoic needle]

I'm quite partial to myself

[raven locust]

Rogues can easily sim 6k or more, just need decent ilvl and stats

[icy crater]

He's right I'm simming 6005dps on 220ilvl outlaw with like 1100 vers

[stoic needle]

Rae sims almost 6.4k as assassa

[frank sail]

Whats the best soulbind/ conduit setup for M+ currently? Im running Niya - double potency with Lethal poison / poisoned katar

Does anyone utilise Korayn now we have access to First Strike?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[icy crater]

true, that was sick

[raven locust]

My Assassination sim is 6.3k, could hit a little higher with more Haste

[balmy condor]

Katar trash

Get that garbage out of here

But like honestly

Niya herbs and korayn first strike

Are pretty much the same thing

[sleek sparrow]

220 with only 5.7k Sims

[dark vigil]

just get 228

[stoic needle]

Yeah just get it man

[balmy condor]

Not doubt

[stoic needle]

Just hack the game

[balmy condor]

I dare you to play herbs for a week and then play korayn

[sleek sparrow]

Lemme just, go grind out 2400 rq

[balmy condor]

And tell me you notice a difference

[stoic needle]

I don't need your feelcraft whispyr first strike sims higher

I have actually

The crit from FS is noticeable

[balmy condor]

I think FS sims 50 higher for me

In dungeonslice

[stoic needle]

Like don't get me wrong I run herbs on tyrranical but I notice my fok actually giving me cp for a change

[balmy condor]

Idk, I trust the sims obviously

And FS is probably better

But it’s so minimal in my experience

That it’s honestly whatever

[dark vigil]

korayn>>>>>>

[stoic needle]

How much crit do you have whispyr

[balmy condor]

Oh god like I fucking know

I haven’t looked at my character sheet in so long

[stoic needle]

Imagine not having your stats memorized

[balmy condor]

Useless numbers man

[stoic needle]

And you call yourself a cf

Nah I'm jk

[balmy condor]

Secondary stats in 2021

Fuck

[stoic needle]

I mean some people have fucking 28% crit

And some have 18%

You can feel the difference in crit in m+ at least

[fleet whale]

bring back reforging

[stoic needle]

Haste not so much but crit is definitely noticeable

[balmy condor]

I think I’m heavy haste/crit

[fleet whale]

i have so much verse that i would love to dump to some haste and crit

[stoic needle]

Fucking pvp gear man

All vers

[fleet whale]

i have 20% verse at 211 ilvl. Lol

[stoic needle]

And somehow mastery is my 2nd best stat because the vault won't stop giving me mastery gear

[gusty mirage]

vers is the way brothers

getting 40% vers in theater is really lul

[frank sail]

im running 23% crit 24% haste 22% mastery 6% vers atm

at 207 ilvl

[gusty mirage]

all my gear is pvp gear, so I've accepted the high vers life

[spice spire]

Vers is my highest stat rn
Not by much. 575 vers and 559 haste

[fleet whale]

Nathria item stats aren't the greatest honestly

[gusty mirage]

first piece of loot from mythic nathria: crit mastery pants

ty blizzard

[icy crater]

looool

[gusty mirage]

2nd piece? haste mastery neck off huntsman

[fleet whale]

at least the boes have good stats

boots are haste crit, bracers haste vers

[spice spire]

Nah they’re not.
Iirc my percentages are
24% crit
17% haste
27% mastery (only 239 tho)
14% vers

[fleet whale]

my percentages are... 17% crit, 15% haste, 28% mastery, 20% verse. lol

[trim zinc]

Mine is almost the same

[spice spire]

Jfc on vers.
I have almost 600 at 14%.

[strange python]

raid gear has awful stats on it sadly

sooo much mastery

[fleet whale]

bring back reforging

[strange python]

^

[fleet whale]

blizz's reasoning for removing it was dumb in the first place

[balmy condor]

aight lemme check my stats

[icy crater]

stats party

[fleet whale]

blizz removed reforging because apparently people just used an addon on third party site to do all the reforging for them....

[fleet whale]

Yet people use Raidbots all the time currently lol

jealous of that crit

[balmy condor]

yeh I still have a lot of crit/vers and crit/mast stuff from when I played sub

[strange python]

I'm currently at 17% Crit, 21% haste, 30% mastery, and 11 vers

[iron orchid]

25% crit 25% haste 17% mast 11% vers

[stoic needle]

No wonder you don't notice first strike

I'm at 21% crit 17% haste 20% mastery 18% vers

As of yesterday

[fleet whale]

i mean he should still notice first strike as it would put his crit above 50

if anything, I would actually notice if more if that was my crit level

[cunning lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[bright turret]

In the pin that says CTTC is ~1%, does that mean Ass is gaining 1% DPS in 9.0.5?

[fleet whale]

Assassination will likely gain a very minor dps increase with the changes yes

but it's more QoL focused, it isn't gonna push the needle really

[iron orchid]

It means that on patchwerk sims, assa rogues would sim approximately 1% better

[bright turret]

Got it. It's already only a few % behind sub, so anything seems big to me and was curious

[fleet whale]

I mean sin eventually becoming better than sub isn't really saying much lol

[balmy condor]

that "~" should be the important part btw

cttc isn't implemented yet for obvious reasons

so it's hard to see the actual sim difference

but I took some numbers from sims and logs and kinda napkin mathed it out

to be close enough

[bright turret]

F for sub, I'm just not crazy about Outlaw's variance on ST, so I'm hyped for Ass becoming more viable

[balmy condor]

I'd say anywhere between 0.7 and 1.5%

[sly elk]

I heard assassin got some new change to slice?

[balmy condor]

cttc is back

and that's really the end of it

[sly elk]

What’s cttc

[balmy condor]

cut to the chase

slice refresh on envenom

[sly elk]

That sounds handy

[fleet whale]

well, it's an extension this time around

but in practice, the same thing

[balmy condor]

it removes a fucking button

and you can't convince me that it's a good change

but everyone loves not hitting buttons

so there's that

[bright turret]

feels better to hit anything that isnt SnD

[balmy condor]

case in point

[fleet whale]

i mean in reality, the bad change was bringing back snd in the first place

[icy crater]

I can't tell if I like hitting SnD or not

[sly elk]

So we don’t have to use SnD because we hit envenom a lot

[fleet whale]

but blizz entered SL with "muh classic" mentality and brought back a lot of pointless buttons

[sly elk]

That’s an extra 25 energy in pocket each time lol

[balmy condor]

you cast it once in your opener

and that's pretty much it

unless you encounter like 40 seconds of downtime

for some fucking reason

[fleet whale]

instead, they should've just brought back the wod SND perk that actually made it entirely passive

[balmy condor]

like being trash at the game

[balmy condor]

that's 9.1.5

[fleet whale]

and brought some other ability back in it's place

[balmy condor]

and then they're gonna remove it in 10.0

the cycle of life

[fleet whale]

snd on shriek would run out

during intermissions

[balmy condor]

yeh but you go into that with cp and it's fine

[fleet whale]

just poison knife to pool cps...

that's what i do at least lol

[fallow notch]

Would the 9.0.5 changes impact Talent choices indirectly? Seems like for now we just pull ahead of Sub but are still worse on every fight than Outlaw except maybe Sire

[fleet whale]

no it won't

[bright turret]

id imagine ass will be bettert than outlaw on sludge...if your guild takes more than 2 melee

[balmy condor]

it won't affect talents, legendaries, stats, conduits, opener logic, rotational logic, energy gains or losses, changes in aoe vs single target

so tldr

it won't affect anything