assassination

[remote drift]

but even then, honestly

[dark vigil]

but i guess it would be broken

[snow arch]

sbs did 5% of my dmg last raid — having mastery buff it will help a bit

[dark vigil]

burrs alone does like 6% of ur dmg or more

[balmy condor]

The amount of dumbasses during beta that asked if sbs + exsang was a thing

Was insane

[dark vigil]

on top of sepsis + shiv interaction

on top of mastery buff

[remote drift]

mark of the master assassin + venthyr new flag + venthyr potency conduit + sub rogue burst opener

[dark vigil]

yeah assuming conduit doesnt get changed

it would be a big burst

for stuff like sludge

[remote drift]

mostly thinking pvp here tbh

[fleet whale]

new flag cd is still way too long

1.5 min cd is too long for one big hit

[remote drift]

although it'd probably be omegashit for everything else

[dark vigil]

it's like a 510% burst on a 1.5 min and then u get the extra range for 10 sec

lol

[remote drift]

still, solid pvp memes

[dark vigil]

with the ilvl 200 conduit

assuming it doesnt get changed

[remote drift]

ranged sub burst

[dark vigil]

open with MA and that shit gonna hit hard as fuck

[remote drift]

honestly I might even switch to venthyr

if that

[dark vigil]

wait for more ptr stuff to come out

way too early

[snow arch]

Remember when assa rogue had ranged auto attacks 😁

[dark vigil]

conduit might get changed

[remote drift]

ends up being the pvp meme of the day

but I'll probably

[dark vigil]

also if conduit stays itll get nerfed for pvp

[remote drift]

most likely end up necro so I can play both pvp specs

[dark vigil]

sub rogue with that would be really dumb

[remote drift]

and get chad new fleshcraft

[dark vigil]

if you want to multispec rogue go kyrian

[remote drift]

I want to uhh

dual spec

[dark vigil]

if you want to dual spec go kyrian

[remote drift]

I tried outlaw in an instance once never again

[dark vigil]

i like the theme of outlaw but not the gameplay loop

not to mention it gives you arthiritis

[remote drift]

15 different buffs to upkeep, can barely 1v1 a fury warrior

if you don't roll mad rtb buffs

[dark vigil]

conduits help with that

but yea

[remote drift]

kyrian is okay

new fc looks better imo

sbs kinda useless aside from combo points in burst downtime

but that's really all it is already

minimal impact, fc + potentially ultimate form is the important thing

then again I suppose I like how for pvp none of the rogue class covenant abilities are all that important

[dark vigil]

would sbs keep other rogues from being able to break combat

to restealth

idk much about pvp

[remote drift]

more freedom, 2/4, soon 3/4 good covenants purely for sig+soulbind

it's like other dots there

you can stealth in the window between hits, and if you run cloaked in shadows you will gain a shield in stealth that keeps it up if the dot isn't strong enough to break it

if you don't run cloaked in shadows you're kinda doing it wrong anyway... or you don't mind losing stealth to dot for whatever reason

cloak (the ability) has better uses than strictly being lined up with vanish

[stoic needle]

Cloaked takes 4 seconds to activate though

[remote drift]

did they nerf it

[stoic needle]

So if they're dotted with sbs I don't think you'd be able to restealth and get the shield

[remote drift]

I haven't had any problems restealthing in pvp as of about 2 weeks ago

[deft vault]

Nah you get the shield instantly

[remote drift]

I'm also pretty sure the actual shield goes up the moment you activate stealth

[deft vault]

theres only a delay with vanish

[stoic needle]

i definitely wasn't getting instant shields the last time i did arenas

[deft vault]

but you wont pop out of stealth when you vanish even if you have dots on you and the second vanish ends you get the shield

[remote drift]

isn't the delay with vanish the moment the vanish reveal immunity ends?

[deft vault]

Yes

And you get the shield right when that ends so youre still in stealth

[remote drift]

then yes, everything I said about cloaked in shadows applies

[ancient rain]

I wonder if, now that SBS is affected by mastery, will it be affected by Exsanguinate too? 🤞🏿

[deft vault]

i mean theres no way it will lol

[remote drift]

would be some solid memes tbh

imagine

you're fighting a raid boss

[deft vault]

its a perma dot . so each time you exsang it ticks twice as fast for th rest of the fight ?

[ancient rain]

yes! big pog

[remote drift]

you exsanguinate the sbs 5 times, the boss now takes 32x the dps

[dark vigil]

that would be broken

over a long fight

like denathrius

lol

[stoic needle]

exsang working on sbs doesn't make sense

[dark vigil]

and yeah

[ancient rain]

it doesn't make sense but if it will work just dont tell anyone

[remote drift]

pretty sure exsanguinate requires a duration on the dot to work

mechanically

[stoic needle]

yeah it does

[remote drift]

but then again...

no one playing necro rogue does so for sbs damage in any way shape or form

[balmy condor]

Mechanically exsang removes the dot on the target, checks the tick rate of a dot being applied at that time, doubles it, and then reapplies the dot with that fixed tick rate

[deft vault]

Sbs working with Venomous wounds tho

would be nice

[dark vigil]

if it worked with venomous it would be broken too

[balmy condor]

Sbs working with venomous would be roughly 3x the strength of dashing scoundrel btw

[remote drift]

right now my mind is racing with another thought entirely

pvp + any rogue + cheat death + new fc + ultimate form

[fleet whale]

sbs working with venomous wounds

[dark vigil]

dont you run elusiveness in pvp

[deft vault]

yes you do

[fleet whale]

means you would never run anything else as sin lol

[remote drift]

typically you would

[fleet whale]

and yeah elusiveness for pvp

maybe mess around with leeching poison in bgs or something

[remote drift]

although the ultimate form does open up this option

[dark vigil]

at leats we would be cool

[remote drift]

I have absolutely no idea what kind of use you could get from leeching poison in bgs

[fleet whale]

if you dot up enough enemies it's decent healing

[remote drift]

if you dot up a bunch of enemies you get a sub rogue's soothing darkness during shadow dance

if you play like an actual assassination rogue you get a trivial fraction of that

just run elusiveness tbh

although the cheat death sounds interesting

[fleet whale]

you do know soothing is nerfed in pvp right

[dark vigil]

leeching poison is really only useful for leveling

[remote drift]

would probably still be limited to the ultimate form combo

[fleet whale]

and leeching is great in torghast

[remote drift]

yes... if you dot up the enemies you get a sub rogue's nerfed soothing darkness

[dark vigil]

i think i'd prefer cheat death in torghast. depends

[remote drift]

tried both in torghast

leeching poison is better tbh

[stoic needle]

I don't ever die in Torghast

[fleet whale]

all the damage buffs you get in torghast

[stoic needle]

So cheat is p useless

[fleet whale]

makes leeching strong

[remote drift]

you don't ever want to enter a scenario in torghast where you depend on cheat death

[balmy condor]

Leeching in torg is crazy

[dark vigil]

oh right

[fleet whale]

now the question is in torghast

[remote drift]

as any spec

[fleet whale]

if you get the power that gives you leeching poison for free, what talent do you take

elusiveness or CD

[balmy condor]

I take a different power

[remote drift]

and honestly as assassination your sustain sucks more than existing as a survival hunter

if you don't run leeching there

[fleet whale]

yeah, but if in the case that is your only choice

what do you take

[balmy condor]

I take cheat death

Just to not think about it

[remote drift]

honestly elusiveness might not be bad against bigger pulls

[fleet whale]

also i made the mistake in my Layer 8 tc run of taking the power where you can't back pedal

[remote drift]

many mobs all launching single target attacks

[fleet whale]

huge mistake, killed my run

[remote drift]

elusiveness can mitigate quite a bit

besides

there is an anima power, white quality

that works like a better cheat death

[stoic needle]

that power is a huge trap

i stopped backpedaling in classic but its so useful in retail

[fleet whale]

it completely fucked with my mob positioning

[remote drift]

that power hasn't hindered me yet

[fleet whale]

and worst of all, it was in Mort'regar

[spice spire]

Took the power where you couldn’t jump in TC. And deadass got the lava room

[fleet whale]

the one where when you kill mobs, it makes pools

[remote drift]

I did once kill my run with the one that roots you if you don't move

[spice spire]

Literally killed the run on a meme

[dark vigil]

dude when are they gonna let u put artifact weapons transmog on your saved outfit or w/e

annoying

[remote drift]

finally, a use for door of shadows

[spice spire]

After I swapped from venthyr too

[remote drift]

[dark vigil]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[fleet whale]

so a guildy told me that rogues apparently are going to scale well as the expansion goes on...

[spice spire]

The S word?!

[balmy condor]

Did they also say that preach gaming is the best most accurate information on everything pve in this game and he’s never been wrong and has great content and the best raider with all the good damage and he’s theorycrafted everything on every class and knows the scaling inside and out?

[fleet whale]

He just said it's what "top players are saying" lol

[nocturne root]

Same thing

:)

[clever stream]

any good recommendations on weak auras for sin?

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[clever stream]

tyvm,

[balmy condor]

Yo lemme talk to the guy

I just wanna chat

[fleet whale]

lol he's a prot pally tank

[balmy condor]

Oh yuck

I don’t talk to incels

[dark vigil]

is it weird that i hate dot classes but i like sin rogue

like affli and spriest

[fleet whale]

it's cause sin is more like a 50/50 dot classs

[dark vigil]

to a lesser extent feral

[fleet whale]

sure it has a lot of dots

but it's not like spriest or aff

[dark vigil]

maybe cause affli and spriest have cast tiems

[clever stream]

cus there is nothing more satisfying than double shanking things "don't quote me"

[polar apex]

I moved from feral to assass so i 100% get what you mean

[dark vigil]

well honestly

bloodtalons was what mad eme stop playing feral

even though they're really strong

[polar apex]

Which? pre or post SL?

[dark vigil]

currently

the way it works is so clunky

i hate it

[polar apex]

Yeah this version feels way worse imo

[stoic needle]

i have to say the sound effect and animation for Mutilate is very satisfying

[dark vigil]

at first i got used to it but then i realized how much i disliked it

[stoic needle]

sound design on assassination in general is a+

[dark vigil]

cool niche of feral though is with apex legendary they have strong funnel

which is useful on a fight like SLG

[polar apex]

wish fan of knives worked like shuriken storm so we could have funnel with less set up

[dark vigil]

fan of knives kind of has funnel with applying poison and then garroting them

but yeah its pretty minimal

[stoic needle]

don't worry

just gotta hit that 50% crit threshold

then the sin funnel activates 📈

[clever stream]

it really is

[dark vigil]

you'd run subterfuge, get as many garrotes up then fan of knives

but yeah

its pretty small

what 50% crit threshold for

seal fate?

[stoic needle]

that was 100% trolling

[dark vigil]

oh ok

i mean there is crit scaling cause of seal fate and of course critting for more dmg

[stoic needle]

there is no threshold but our CP generation and funnel does get better with more crit

[dark vigil]

yep

also crit and haste makes slice and dice more valuable

does master poisoner scale with the poison conduit

[polar apex]

it must do right?

[dark vigil]

i'd imagine so

would that make it worth running more for m+ if you run master poisoner and lethal poisons

i dont know

[polar apex]

well you're putting it up against 10% damage from elaborate planning since you're generating more combo points in M+ than on boss

[stoic needle]

you could sim it

[dark vigil]

its really hard to sim for cleave because of so many variables

[stoic needle]

there's a way to artificially boost the conduit levels in the sim but i'm not 100% sure how

[dark vigil]

st is slightly more accurate but downtimes, intermissions, dmg amps and shit

make it hard

yeah elaborate planning for m+ is really nice

but master poisoner also makes you slow mroe idk

prob not worth

[stoic needle]

ok i figured it out

i'm gonna sim it

[dark vigil]

hidden blades seems fun to use but so weak unfortuantely cmopared to the other talents

[stoic needle]

the highest the conduits go to is ilvl 330 in raidbots at least

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tXMnfHyweNgRtcSQ8rd9Yj

lol rip, even with ilvl 330 conduit it's still a dps loss to run MP over EP

[balmy condor]

MP "scales" worse than EP

pre-nerf LP was capable of making MP viable at like 225 ilvl

even in single target

but then conduits got nuked from orbit

and now it's a distant memory

[pseudo hamlet]

Niya or Korayn for the M+?

The First Strike seems strong for it.

[balmy condor]

first strike

yep

[kind veldt]

@balmy condor not sure how to sim conduits at higher ilvl than I got but do you think I nmshould use 226 lethal poison over 200 well placed steel?

[balmy condor]

depends on m+/raid

for raid probably not

[kind veldt]

Yeah, for raid

Ok, stick with well placed steel

[balmy condor]

also don't buy venari conduits

[stoic needle]

conduits are such a small dps increase between ranks its not worth the stygia tbh

like LP 200 vs 213 is literally 1% extra poison dmg

[dark vigil]

id only upgrade conduits if u been doing maw regularly since release

and are swimming in it

and a mythic raider

[thorny fiber]

I'm crafting my legendary for raiding in my AoTC only guild, which one would be best for me in Castle Nathria? We are currently 9/10 Heroic. I recently swapped from DH to my rogue and I am seeing mixed reviews on different legos.

[balmy condor]

zoldyck

and only zoldyck

[thorny fiber]

why not Dashing Scoundrel?

or Doomblade?

does the Zoldyck really pay off more then the others in the last 30% of a fight?

[balmy condor]

because doomblade/dashing don't provide any gain in execute and the overall dps is very VERY similar

[thorny fiber]

Thank you!

[balmy condor]

the main draw

to play sin over any other rogue spec

or just play it in general

is execute

[dark vigil]

if u check top logs even tho sin is on the weaker side is that their execute is high

[balmy condor]

so there's that

[dark vigil]

even to busted classes like affli and boomie they have coimparable execute phase dmg

and affli and shit are getting pi'd too

Max was saying that sin might be really good for next tier depending

[thorny fiber]

I'm hoping they get a larger buff in the future, its by far my favorite spec. I used to play outlaw back in the days of it being called Combat. But now I just don't have a taste for the Roll The Bones playstyle.

[dark vigil]

because of it

they have a couple players gearing up a sin just in case

[balmy condor]

I doubt it unless there's ptr changes I haven't heard of

[dark vigil]

sin is really good for p3 denathrius

yeah

ive sadi this like 7 times now

said*

i really like outlaw's theeme

but gamepaly is trash

[thorny fiber]

its clunky

[dark vigil]

its not really that its clunky

it just gives you arthritis

[thorny fiber]

agreed, I have too many keybinds

[lean fossil]

so ive been trying sin in m+s but cant seem to find a good flow on the trash, does ep really boost the dmg a lot on trash? or why do you guys run it

[dark vigil]

ep because u get a lot more combo points

[balmy condor]

no

well

kinda

it's mostly the energy you get though

[dark vigil]

and you dont cast mutilate as much

[balmy condor]

free ambushes aren't really that great

when you're energy capped

you actually mutilate quite a bit

fok is 4+

[dark vigil]

yeah but not as much on st

[balmy condor]

which honestly happens pretty rarely

[dark vigil]

so it has a bit less value

[lean fossil]

so for a trash pack, you open with 4 garrotes, fok, ct, then build up ruptures on targets?

[balmy condor]

yeah, if they live long enough

otherwise you would envenom

[lean fossil]

ahh

[balmy condor]

or in packs of 6-7 you could use CT as a finisher instead

[lean fossil]

guessing things just dont live long enough for ruptures unless on fort week?

[balmy condor]

they definitely do

[lean fossil]

@balmy condor make a guide for m+s for me :)

i just cant seem to do decent trash pack dmg

[storm onyx]

Depends on key lvl to group ilvl, its relative

[balmy condor]

I ain't a good enough player to make guides :P

[lean fossil]

been running with a mm and a destro lock

for dps and dh and pally for tank and healer

its been rough lol only shine on bosses

[balmy condor]

thats pretty meta

[dark vigil]

your purpose is sap and shroud

[hallow spear]

So Is this right? Vanish at 2CP > ER > Envenom > Mutilate > Mutilate > Envenom

[balmy condor]

seems fine

[hallow spear]

Is that only because of the ER bug thing?

[dark vigil]

idk how er works

i dont like it

it gives 2 combo points it says on tooltip

sometimes it gives full

or something

[balmy condor]

the buff helps

[dark vigil]

oh yeah its good

[balmy condor]

but it will invalidate your log

its like 1.3% dps or something like that

[hallow spear]

Eh. Don't really care about logging, just killing bosses.

Unless it also invalidates my guildies.

[balmy condor]

it invalidates the entire log

yeah

I would just vanish env mut env or mut env mut

[hallow spear]

Only the single mut?

[dark vigil]

assuming ur ma

ur gonna crit it

and get like 4 cp

[hallow spear]

Ah right, but it's not 100% right?

[balmy condor]

50% extra

[dark vigil]

mutilate is 2 hits

[hallow spear]

Yeah, but say I don't crit with 75% would I mut again or still envenom.

[balmy condor]

you'd mut if you're not at 4

[dark vigil]

prob envenmon cause you'll overcap on cp byu a lot if u mutilate again

but it depends

onw hat u rat

its dynamic

theres no set answer

[balmy condor]

?

of course there is

[dark vigil]

well if he crits and he has ma

vs if he doesnt

im saying like

u cant do the same thing every rotation you have to adapt based on crits

[balmy condor]

if he's in MA, and he muts, and isn't at 4cp, he would mut again

[dark vigil]

yes

[balmy condor]

I'm confused what's dynamic to envenom here

[dark vigil]

do u cast envenom at 4cp instead of 5

[balmy condor]

yes of course

[dark vigil]

yeah

[balmy condor]

you cast all finishers at 4

[dark vigil]

cause of how mutilate works

[balmy condor]

yeah

idk maybe I'm confused

[dark vigil]

yeah i think u misunderstood but im agreeing with you

😛

[hallow spear]

I switched from Assa to Outlaw for SL and it's melted my brain.

[dark vigil]

what race are you guys

i went belf for the crit and arcane torrent is pretty nice for dungeons

[hallow spear]

I went undead because of warlocks in arena.

[balmy condor]

I play belf just because I like how it looks

[dark vigil]

yueah but undead thing

shares cd with trinket

[hallow spear]

It's not full CD, or at least it wasn't before

[dark vigil]

also not many warlocks

warlock kinda meh rn

[hallow spear]

I played in 8.3

Well, last actually tried to pvp.

[dark vigil]

ah yea

also destro is on the up and up

[hallow spear]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-drooling-cupcakes-stare-hypnosis-gif-12121833

[inland kestrel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[dark vigil]

i used to have an emote with ur avatar @inland kestrel

cant find it

[faint harness]

@balmy condor is wakeners frond good for sin? it seems bad on herodam but it has the stuff to be good for sin

[inland kestrel]

[dark vigil]

dont have it anymore

[inland kestrel]

[dark vigil]

[inland kestrel]

LOL

[stoic needle]

where do you find these trinkets anyway? do you have to just hope it's up on a world quest?

[faint harness]

yes

it also drops from chests in ardenweald

[stoic needle]

the chests that show up on your world map?

[faint harness]

the special ones

from the line thing

[stoic needle]

Oh the upgraded shroom network

[faint harness]

nah

the other thing

i dont know the name

[stoic needle]

Oh anima conductor

[faint harness]

yea

[stoic needle]

Lol

Good to know

Guess there is a reason to upgrade that more

[balmy condor]

doesn't drop at high enough ilvl to be worth iirc

[agile stump]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/game/pvp/leaderboards/3v3

Woops

[glossy plover]

Now that Renown is at +30. blood mallet is showing Night fae at top. Is that now the play or is will the buff to necro bring it to the top..I just hit 60 so don't want to regrind in a week

[balmy condor]

pins for the necro thing

fae is at the top

[glossy plover]

i saw the pins just wanted to double check

and thx

[balmy condor]

np

[forest delta]

a good legendary for assa in pvp?

should I go MA or?

[dark vigil]

Raid Castle Nathria Bosses now drop 33% more loot than before, in all difficulties. Weapons tokens now drop more often than before, in all difficulties.

33% of 0 is still 0

[void pecan]

@dark vigil where you see this? Wowhead?

[tulip nacelle]

yes

[balmy condor]

#wowheadnews

:)

just btw

[dark vigil]

yea

so i think it's before week 2 or week 3 or wahtever

when they nerfed it?

[old snow]

yes you want ma, with doomblade being an alternative

[deft parcel]

optimal leveling talents for ass? any help with this would be great

[fast nacelle]

played hpally assa with execute lego

went pretty well

[dark vigil]

@deft parcel same as normal, prob would go leeching istead of cheat death

idk

[deft parcel]

@dark vigil what is normal tho

[balmy condor]

I would go MP/MA/MFD/leeching/whatever/venom rush/pb

[crimson palm]

And craft ma leggo for 200% crit, big dmg!

[mental igloo]

When in my rotation do I start to put my dots and bleeds on a second target in fights like Altimor

[white orchid]

Is korayn the best for assass in m+ bc feels you use up most of the first strike window applying garrotes into a FoK and by then maybe youll have like2-3 secds of the crit buff again

[balmy condor]

it is, yes

[balmy condor]

after you put them up on the first target

[carmine flare]

So both sub and sin prefer Korayn for m+ due to First Strike? And so both prefer Niya for raid settings?

[mental igloo]

so essentailly as soon as they come off CD?

ez enough i suppose

[urban shadow]

The count the odds conduit is giving me roll the bones buffs

[coral imp]

yea it does but its not worth it over other conduits imo

[balmy condor]

yeah

it works

but its bad

[urban shadow]

what you dont want 5 seconds of double sinister strikes???

[mental igloo]

Why does a rotation helper suggest pooling right before Envenom?

[balmy condor]

because the APL just holds energy before hitting envenom

there's no point firing it off unless you're in shiv/vendetta

[mental igloo]

Awesome thanks @balmy condor

[wet heron]

Do we multidot at all on blood to help with energy regen?

[tender fjord]

vigor and deeper strategem now sim the same for me. anyone got any gameplay wise arguments which to choose over the other?

[balmy condor]

vigor because it's easier and less trash to play with deeper

[balmy condor]

you can throw garrotes out, but I wouldn't suggest more than that

[wet heron]

@balmy condor thank you great assassin god 🙂

[balmy condor]

I'm not good at the game :P

[oak arrow]

are the +6 and +7 Agility gems worth using over a crit or haste gem? im guessing yes, but wanted to make sure

[balmy condor]

no

you should sim it though

highly unlikely

[oak arrow]

cant find a sim that has the older Agi gems , only the new SL gems

[balmy condor]

gotta hit the show all enhancements

[oak arrow]

ahh.. ok thanks for the help

[balmy condor]

np

[fleet whale]

they should just make new Agi gems
in SL

[oak arrow]

Legendary gems to go in the Maw Sockets would be nice 👀

[stoic needle]

Be careful what you wish for

There's a new maw crafting system in 9.0.5

[oak arrow]

i get +4 dps running haste gems over the two agi gems

oh really? hmmm

[stoic needle]

Mmhmm

[oak arrow]

guess i should farm more stygia

[stoic needle]

There's a new item you buy and it lets you see condensed stygia orbs or something in the maw

You have to collect those and then combine them with runes and some kind of bars you craft with the orbs

To craft... Something

Don't know yet

Check on wowhead

[oak arrow]

Interesting. Checking now

[stoic needle]

One agi gem sims bis for me btw in dslice at least

Considering that 1 agi is worth 3 of any other stat it makes sense

[oak arrow]

yea i feel like i should be adding more crit and not haste. im at 21% haste already

and the agi gems simming lower (not by alot) is a bit weird

[stoic needle]

Haste good

I have 22 and it's still bis for me but crit is super close because I only have 19

[oak arrow]

im at 23 crit. but stat weight theyre both 1.4 for me

[stoic needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2j6edktBjofcosBUmmAMso

guess i should get an agi gem

[balmy condor]

yikers

[tribal marlin]

Doomblade work with SBS right ?

Does SBS work with Zoldyck as well ?

[stoic needle]

Doesn't work with doomblade but does work with zoldyck

If sbs worked with doomblade I'd probably reroll necro

[tribal marlin]

Man imagine

Sbs work with doomblade, which also work with zoldyck

[stoic needle]

is there a way to modify simc to make that work?

[tribal marlin]

so everything synergyze

[stoic needle]

Just for daydreaming purposes

[tribal marlin]

I'm not sure you can do it easy

[stoic needle]

I really think blizzard missed the mark by not making venthyr and necro bleed builds and night fae poison builds possible by allowing those kinds of synergies with the covenants

[tribal marlin]

That's what I think too and I told theim already

that Cov such as SBS and Sep should scale with mastery and Zoldyck and be tuned so that it doesn't go out of control

[stoic needle]

They wanna talk about class fantasy.. that's it right there

[somber bison]

i doubt they even have a rogue class designer right now though

[tribal marlin]

I feel like it's "ok" if you are an Assa rogue to tell yourself "ok I will play Necrolord or NF because I'm a master of bleed and poison and they give me an additionnal one" even if it mean other cov fall behind

[stoic needle]

I think you're right chucky

[tribal marlin]

Especially if you have 2 options and not only 1

[stoic needle]

They could make the venthyr ability a bleed too and have 3

[tribal marlin]

But imagine dude

You play Zoldyk + Doomblade

Doomblade increase mutilate damage by 30% which is also increased by Execute.
Doomblade increase Env damage even more with SbS which is also increase by Execute

What a dream

[stoic needle]

😩

[tribal marlin]

Not to mention that SBS have a very specific niche Max talk about recently

[stoic needle]

Envenom should be a poison as well

[tribal marlin]

He said that, they were considering a Sire strategy where they just full infinite corruption on all 4 mythic adds

stand in the middle and never watch at theim

[stoic needle]

Sepsis could proc dashing scoundrel

[tribal marlin]

just let theim die with infinite corruption and it would have work with like 6 or 7 warlock

OR with 3-4 warlock and 2 necro rogue 😄

[stoic needle]

That sounds badass

One can only hope they see the error of their ways and correct this mistake in a later patch

[tribal marlin]

If envenom was buffed by Zoldyck we will be the best execute class in the game, that's not gonna happen ^^

[stoic needle]

Whats wrong with that?

It could even be 15% if they don't want it to be too strong

[tribal marlin]

It's probably the path we are heading to tbh

[somber bison]

dks and warriors would get butthurt

[tribal marlin]

I mean "being the best execute of the game"

They just need to nerf / revamp DK execute and there you go

[stoic needle]

Finally we are good at something

[tribal marlin]

DK should not have such a niche in their kit, they already have mendatory raid cooldown, strong 4-5 target burst aoe, insane ST sustained burst dps, decent overall dps and very strong personnal utility such as AMS and Death Advance

[stoic needle]

They are the Swiss army knife of melee

[tribal marlin]

It's like .... "yeah and they have strongest execute in game for NO REASON"

[stoic needle]

It's overbearing

[somber bison]

its much easier to throw blanket % buffs then see the inner workings of a spec though

[tribal marlin]

inner workaround is in process with 9.0.5 ptr

that's good

very good to put this patch now, the game needs it

[somber bison]

what did they change

[stoic needle]

I do have to say that even though blizzard isn't very good at making things balanced on released at least they try to fix things over time

[tribal marlin]

For now not a lot, but we can expect to see much more changed in the next coming weeks

[somber bison]

can only hope at this point

[tribal marlin]

For rogue nothing has changed but it seems like they manually added SBS in the "mastery whiteliste"

for assa rogue at least

and they idk we datamined some wierd Flagellation movement so they might be working on this too

[somber bison]

last changes ive see were tooltip fixes

[tribal marlin]

https://i.imgur.com/v1yy2i9.png

there

well it doesn't make any sense for now

but we can assume they are working on that spell at least

[stoic needle]

I swear to God if it goes live like that

[torn atlas]

Take something bad, make it worse. Solid plan.

[slow marsh]

Please don't tell me that I just swapped to NF just to swap to Necro. Or does sbs working with mastery and zoldyks not really matter?

[balmy condor]

it's about 1-1.5% gain for both combined

which would make it better than venthyr, in line with kyrian, and behind fae

[slow marsh]

Whew thanks

I mean I certainly wouldn't mind it but I just got back up to 30 xD

[balmy condor]

I don't have the hard numbers on it

but I just kinda mathed it out by hand

[slow marsh]

I feel if they did it for sbs they surely would also do it for sepsis though right?

Actually who am I kidding...blizz doesn't have rogue on design team

[balmy condor]

not sure

[fleet whale]

who knows what blizz will do

[balmy condor]

they're for sure iterating on flag I would think

[fleet whale]

flag could get massively buffed

[balmy condor]

so maybe some more changes coming

[slow marsh]

I saw the flag changes

I'm trying to not look too closely at it atm cuz right now it seems they're actually trolling

[fleet whale]

my bet on what flag will end up being: massive first hit

can attack from ranged, your attacks deal extra shadow damage

and the first hit will generate 2 cps

[slow marsh]

Idk why it's so hard to just tune the current numbers. It's not a bad ability it just is bad ap ratio

[fleet whale]

the haste buff isn't a big enough payoff, and honestly even if it was good

it would be shit to line up with anything

[slow marsh]

True. But the concept of the ability is more what I mean

Seems like they wanted a coral type ability.

[fleet whale]

i would rather them just make the ability fun to use

like covoke... simple button

yet it's fun

[slow marsh]

I mean yeah I would say that for all the abilities though

I wonder if they had some target % splits for specific classes and covenants and they are working from that or something

[fleet whale]

honestly, i may actually go necro in 9.1

since SBS does wonders to fill empty globals

[slow marsh]

I'm for sure open to it right now depending on what happens. It would be really good in pvp too

[fleet whale]

my main hope for sepsis is to shorten the cd, to like 1 min

[slow marsh]

The fact they are indicating they are willing to completely rework things gives me some excitement at least

[fleet whale]

problem is even if this new flag is good

blizz will have to do something about venthyr soulbinds

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[fleet whale]

draven needs a second dps power for example

or a second dps power that's usable in a practical sense at least

[slow marsh]

You mean 4% main stat isn't good?

Honestly idk how they managed to come up with some of these soulbinds

[drowsy pond]

what poisons should i be using for pvp?

[stoic needle]

wound and crippling

[feral merlin]

Im new to rogue and went venthyr for this alt, do i save the Flagellation buff for Vendetta? I've been popping it at the same time out of laziness

then save vanish for vendetta for the stronger garrote with subterfuge

[stoic needle]

use it on cd

use all of your CDs on cd

don't save them at all

[feral merlin]

even flagellation? it's power is the buff no?

[stoic needle]

yep

the thing is if you hold CDs you will end up missing potential uses

and that's a bigger dps loss than any gain you will get from lining them up

[feral merlin]

so in a 6 minute fight, you can have either 3 flagellations to line up the 3 vendettas or have 3 vendettas with 4 flagellations that dont stack on the vendetta buff

doesnt sound right to me

[stoic needle]

well it is

i've simmed trying to line it up, it's always a dps loss

[low girder]

you'd lose a cast, it's bigger than lining up the other 3

that's how most cds are

[stoic needle]

the extra cast is always more dps

[feral merlin]

then that just tells me flagellation is lame design

unfun

[low girder]

i mean you don't line up the other 2 either

kyrian and fae are both fired off on cd

[stoic needle]

it's like that with all cds

[feral merlin]

well thats dumb, i want to stack stuff

[stoic needle]

flagellation is unfun design

but it's separate from this lol

[low girder]

stacking stuff by losing casts is a loss in basically all cases i can think of, on all classes

[stoic needle]

the game just doesn't work like that anymore

[feral merlin]

why doesnt the actual flagellate hits do any damage?

[low girder]

the only one that comes to mind that isn't is apoc for udk

[stoic needle]

because it's a shit ability

but apoc has an 8min cd right lol

[feral merlin]

why blizz

[low girder]

1.3

has more to do with how unholy blight works

[stoic needle]

which one am i thinking of? army?

[low girder]

yeah

[stoic needle]

ah

[low girder]

it's just because of the weird lineups and interactions with blight

for the most part

[stoic needle]

i'm pretty sure blizzard has gone out of their way to make it so that lining up cds is a loss for most classes

[feral merlin]

sludge though?

[stoic needle]

like it's not a coincidence

[low girder]

like i said, that's the only one i can think of

[feral merlin]

that has windows of damage

[stoic needle]

well yeah sludge is the only exception

[low girder]

sludge it depends

[feral merlin]

kk

[stoic needle]

sludge it's ok to delay if you have ~10 seconds left before a vulnerability or somesuch

[feral merlin]

how are pandemics calculated with timers based on CPs spent

[stoic needle]

pandemic is calculated on 30% of the duration of the dot that you are about to apply

not the dot that's currently present

[feral merlin]

so do most WAs just do the calc automatically

[low girder]

most WAs don't do the calc at all

[stoic needle]

yeah

i made some that do

[low girder]

they just base it on a number. but yeah some do

[stoic needle]

https://wago.io/Lp33X6aon

it's not that hard to set up dynamic pandemic tracking

but you have to set up a trigger for each possible value from 1-6cp for rupture, CT and SND

[feral merlin]

Yeah i see that

lol

[stoic needle]

you can look at the rupture portion of my aura and see how i did it

[feral merlin]

then i woulda done it myself

i thought someone would ahve a % based condition or trigger

[stoic needle]

that's actually harder than doing 6 triggers, you'd have to write custom code to calculate it

[feral merlin]

i know HOW to do it, im just lazy 😛

[stoic needle]

there's a copy triggers function in WA 😛

[feral merlin]

oh whaaaaat

i never even use that lol

[stoic needle]

yeah when you're on the triggers page, right click the weakaura in the list to the left and choose copy triggers

[feral merlin]

nice it works pretty well

[errant delta]

what would be the best allround enchants for st and aoe?

[balmy condor]

Probably just haste sinful/celest

Should just sim it though

And overall, it doesn’t matter that much

[errant delta]

cool ty

[tribal marlin]

The sepsis "fired on cd" btw there are some improvement here i'm sure

I just did a very simple test with a "sepsis, if = cd.shiv.remains<2" and it doesn't work the way I want ofc but still show a gain beside losing a cast

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5uQ9S5rM4FZAUhmAnRqPRn/simc

look at sample sequence

it should have fired Sepsis at 1:44 but because both Garrote and SnD have priority it doesn't

and insteed fire it the Shiv after (with Vendetta)

At the end it only cast 3 sepsis in this sample (should have do 4 with default APL) yet it still shows a +0.2% win

[balmy condor]

hm

I looked at it previously and it wasn't a gain

but I can take another look

maybe I didn't look hard enough

[tribal marlin]

I don't think it's a gain to sync with vendetta "simply"

but some optimal condition might work such as sync first two cast with vendetta

then on CD

delay for a bit if Shiv goes on CD

delay for Vend if you won't loose a cast etc...

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pDctySuKCzNBYumhieUsdV basically syncing with vendetta is a loss

has to be something subtile

[tribal marlin]

actions+=/variable,name=convoke_desync,value=ceil((interpolated_fight_remains-15-cooldown.ca_inc.remains)%180)=ceil((interpolated_fight_remains-15-120-cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains)%180)|cooldown.ca_inc.remains>interpolated_fight_remains|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains>interpolated_fight_remains-10|!covenant.night_fae

something like this xD

[sly elk]

Miki, thanks for being a good rep for us assassins

I'm new here but I've heard you're one of the best, so I appreciate you

[faint harness]

God bless Miki

[balmy condor]

yeh miki's a god gamer

it's a little unusual to see him in here tho :P

[faint harness]

Is it

[balmy condor]

lately not really

[faint harness]

Always talks about sin in sub anyway

[sly elk]

I don't understand anything about sims really, but thats a lotta damage 😮

[balmy condor]

yeh, miki has CE already, so he's got a lot of gear

he's showing a gain over the current simulation logic

regarding the night fae ability and syncing for shiv/vendetta

[limber lion]

Talks about it, but barely plays it.

Seems like a trend for assa.

[tribal marlin]

hahaha thanks ❤️ I think a lot of player plays better than me but appreciate

[sly elk]

I was thinking about it earlier, and I wanna gather your guys thoughts on it. Whats the most important part of assassination gameplay?

Like energy regen and consistency, outright damage, combo point rotation, ect

[balmy condor]

maintaining everything

as long as you can manage bleeds properly, you're basically there

[sly elk]

Well yeah but that's something that's kinda universal among classes

[limber lion]

It's not a really hard spec to play.

[balmy condor]

^

[limber lion]

You keep everything up, fill with muti/envenom and you'll be fine.

[sly elk]

I'm talking more specifically assassination rogue. Like we're a bleed class to uptime is a bit obvious, but I was thinking about the covenant abilities earlier.

[balmy condor]

none of the rogue covenant abilities are really worth playing around or thinking about too much

[sly elk]

Something like SBS is terrible in terms of damage, but it's 15 energy for 2 combo points to a certain degree

Bastion ability can let us have better rotations with 7 point ruptures and the like

[limber lion]

It's like comparing mounts. Which one do you use? They all provide the same movement speed but one looks fancier than the other

It's not like I use Invincible because it goes faster. It just looks cool

[sly elk]

It's minor stuff, but it's less about the abilities themselves so much as what they provide, know what I mean?

[balmy condor]

sbs is a cheap cp filler that you avoid overcapping
sepsis is fire and forget for the most part
er is fire on cd and finish on cp if you can
venthyr is a clunky mess

[limber lion]

Just play what you want.

[tribal marlin]

Manage your ressources so you don't waste theim

that's something you can keep in mind for any spec I know

but that's how assa is

[sly elk]

Well I'm talking more conceptual than practical, for the most part

[tribal marlin]

Maintenance and ressource management, that's all of it pretty much

[limber lion]

And how every other spec plays as well

[balmy condor]

I'm not really understanding the question I guess

[limber lion]

Me neither

[sly elk]

Like lets say... Later in the expansion, we get something like "covenant ability plus"

[balmy condor]

sure

[sly elk]

What are factors of the moves that would make them more appealing to the assassin rogue? Do we like the cheap combo points more than the uptime benefit? Do we prefer the access to stealth abilities and upfront damage? ect ect

Like assuming they weren't non-consequential choices

[balmy condor]

we prefer more energy in single target, and more combo points in aoe

as a general baseline

in aoe we're multi-dotting, so the energy flows like hell, but fan doesn't generate a lot of cp

in single target we're starved for energy

[limber lion]

Every single spec in the game follows the same principals.
Manage your resources and don't overcap them
Manage your cooldowns
Always be casting

Pooling is a thing some classes do to get more out of their cds, but we're shit out of luck on that department as well.

Whenever any ability comes off cooldown, press it.

[sly elk]

Even we have priorities though

You don't just mash garrote every 6 seconds

[limber lion]

All classes have priorities

[balmy condor]

in previous expansions, our damage gains manifested themselves in multiple ways. In legion, our damage was supplemented by adding damage to our instant casts like envenom, adding crit to mutilate (and thus more cp), and poison bomb being crazy strong. It kept the spec strong, but slow. In BFA the poison focus shifted more towards a bleed focus, with garrote doing a lot of our damage. In 8.3 that manifested as a shit ton of haste = more garrote ticks = more burst = more damage

[limber lion]

It's not an "assa rogue thing"

[balmy condor]

currently we're in a middle of the road situation where there's nothing yanking us one way or another really

[sly elk]

I see

[balmy condor]

our poison damage currently is higher than our bleed damage

[limber lion]

Yeah. The class has never been this vanilla and easy to play before.

[warped temple]

@balmy condor please go to bed! 😡

[limber lion]

There's very little you can do to minmax your damage

[balmy condor]

so I guess if we continue down that route, bleeds serve the purpose of energy, poison serves the purpose of damage

[balmy condor]

no :) miki found gains syncing niya grove invig to vendetta, so I'm looking into it

[warped temple]

oooooo

[sly elk]

So lets take a hypothetical. If SBS gave, say, 2 + 1 per active, and bastion ability gave you a 7 point without the minigame

Which would be prefered

[balmy condor]

neither because the soulbinds are worse than night fae

gottem

[sly elk]

Ayy

[limber lion]

^

[sly elk]

Doesn't answer my question though

[balmy condor]

but I guess the sbs one would be preferred more than the kyrian in that situation

cause you buffed sbs with extra cp

and you didn't do anything to buff kyrian

[sly elk]

Well Kyrian would be more on-demand 7 point which you could probably sync up with rupture and such versus having to do the cp shuffle to get it

[balmy condor]

that's irrelevant

you're still getting the 7cp out of it

[limber lion]

The abilities are just so shit in themselves.

[balmy condor]

what you end up using it on is widely meaningless

[sly elk]

Right but currently don't you have to spend exactly the amount of points?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[limber lion]

Also there's very rarely moments, if ever, where you would want "on-demand combo points" as assa.

Assa is more about planning ahead

[sly elk]

I guess it's more the underlying question of practicality vs consistency

But yeah

[balmy condor]

but it's the same

the minigame isn't difficult

it's not like you're missing the combo point all the time

cause it's impossible to hit

[tender fjord]

I “won” an arena game yesterday because of sbs. I died, healer of other team died. My hpal and their MM Hunter remained and the hpal was completely oom. I saw sbs kept ticking and the Hunter was at 3k hp. Pala just ran for his life around the pillar, Hunter somehow didn’t FD to clear sbs

I wish I recorded it, we laughed our asses off

[sly elk]

So what if something like Sepsis had a vanish-style effect where you full on engaged stealth after the 10

[balmy condor]

you mean like it was in beta?

[sly elk]

Would that be preferred over SBS because of synergies?

[limber lion]

That's how it worked previously

[sly elk]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Of course

[balmy condor]

it's already preferred, but yes, that would make it stronger

[tender fjord]

Vanish is a 2min cd, if you could reproduce that that would be huge imo

[limber lion]

It's not as huge as you'd think

[balmy condor]

you're going from sepsis + nothing to sepsis + vanish

which is just strictly better

[sly elk]

Well yeah

[balmy condor]

sbs already sucks

[tribal marlin]

sepsis should buff garrote

at least xD

[sly elk]

But compared to like 3 combo point guaranteed SBS would it still be?

[balmy condor]

yes

[sly elk]

Hm

[balmy condor]

but this is going down quite the rabbit hole of hypotheticals

I don't see the point here

[limber lion]

Grove Invig + Burrs far outmatches anything Necro has to offer for purely ST 1v1 theory

[sly elk]

Well zooming out a bit, basically we said the focus is energy maintain and combo points and such

[balmy condor]

correct

[limber lion]

No

Focus is maintaining your dots

[sly elk]

But when given the option to have a 15 energy 3 cp option with 3 charges, sepsis with vanish still wins out

That's interesting to me

[balmy condor]

well yeah duh

[limber lion]

It's more damage

It's that simple lol

[balmy condor]

^

it doesn't matter what the ability is

[tribal marlin]

You manage energy by basically pooling a bit of energy before using Envenom, outside of Vend/TB windows. Unless maintenance have to be done.

[balmy condor]

necro has bad soulbinds, and the ability is trash

therefore it's bad

[tender fjord]

Right in the feels

[balmy condor]

night fae as good soulbinds, and the ability is less trash

therefore it's good

if you want them to be equal

you either nerf night fae

or buff necro

[tribal marlin]

Usually you often never "pool" energy but the little bit you are poooling (some case where you have all buff and 4cp with TB on CD and just wait before using envenom) is enough to make it

[royal lantern]

Whisp,isnt it like 4am for you or Something

[balmy condor]

2:30

[royal lantern]

Get some sleep :o

[tribal marlin]

any conclusive sims at least xd ?

[balmy condor]

the conclusion is that it seems like it's just timing mastery buff with vendetta

more than actual sepsis stuff directly

[tribal marlin]

make sense ofc

[sly elk]

Hmm

[balmy condor]

it could be put into the apl

but it's really specific to niya only

[tribal marlin]

okok

[balmy condor]

and it's also mostly just syncing things without losing timing

[tribal marlin]

how long does grove last ?

[balmy condor]

idk

30 sec

which is why you saw the gain with vendetta.cd<10

20 on the vendetta and 10 makes the 30

[tribal marlin]

ye I see

[balmy condor]

so you're getting grove invig through the whole thing

[sly elk]

[limber lion]

How are you simming it?

Are you taking in to account different fight lengths?

[balmy condor]

yeah we're varying fight lengths

[limber lion]

Delaying Sepsis everytime eventually causes you to lose a cast.

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

At what fight lenght would that happen?

6ish minutes or even more?

[balmy condor]

the idea is that you can cast at 0/120/210/300

without losing a cast

if the fight is slightly longer than 5 min

[limber lion]

Mm right

[balmy condor]

its basically just cd stacking as long as you don't miss a cast

is what's happening

[sly elk]

So when sepsis triggers, what do you cast with your stealthed move?

Is it just ambush?

[balmy condor]

absolutely nothing

[limber lion]

Nothing

[sly elk]

Oh

[limber lion]

Might throw a cheeky cheap shot in M+ if I'm feeling frisky

But that's it

[sly elk]

I'm very confused. Do you mean literally nothing or like you don't change your main rotation

[balmy condor]

you ignore the proc

and just keep casting mutilates

[sly elk]

Ah ok

I was like "Wait you just stop casting? Sepsis is THAT strong?"

lol

It's 4am

[faint harness]

That would make 0 sense

[sly elk]

I know

[balmy condor]

we're in the business of 0 sense push

[sly elk]

Thats why it caught me off guard

I'm newer to all this so I was like "Is this some secret cool tech that I just don't know about?"

And also it's 4am and my brain turned off around 2

[limber lion]

Secret Tech is a sub talent. :'')

But yeah, Sepsis is literally a fire and forget ability.

[sly elk]

Oh like secret techniques

I get it

[limber lion]

Heh yep

[sly elk]

Thats funny

[limber lion]

I preferred Sepsis to the previous iteration where it casted Vanish, but people were complaining that if you used Sepsis on mobs in open world content and you didn't manage to kill the mob in time, it would reset the mob

I never understood the argument. Just don't press Sepsis

[sly elk]

I mean I kind of get it but also you're right

Like people already don't cast vanish so

[limber lion]

Exactly

[sly elk]

Personally speaking, I'm happy to be a trash assassin rogue lol

I'm so glad I don't have to worry about all that stuff

[balmy condor]

I feel like it could've just given shadow dance stealth instead of vanishing

and it would've been fine

[limber lion]

Yep

[balmy condor]

but I guess that's too much interaction

and they were trying to avoid that

so makes sense

[limber lion]

Just needs practice. You're trash at everything you start doing until you put the time and effort in to it.

[sly elk]

Oh, no. I'm fully content and aware of my limits lol

[limber lion]

Lmao yeah. One cool interaction was too much.

[balmy condor]

the design philosophy across the board was no interactions

having one cool interaction would just break it

the interactions that do exist are minor by design

[limber lion]

Sadness and sorrow.

[balmy condor]

er is a 7cp finisher, that doesn't break anything

flag doesn't interact at all

[sly elk]

It's less a matter of practice and more a matter of I have bad hands lol

[balmy condor]

sepsis doesn't interact except 1 ability which also doesn't break anything

sbs doesn't interact with much either

zoldyck being the only curious one

[sly elk]

Honestly, personally, I think that all of the covenants should have had some interactions

[balmy condor]

problem is sbs is still awful even with zoldyck interaction

[limber lion]

Yeah, we were kinda fucked in all departments in beta honestly. We got our covenant abilities, legendaries AND Torghast anima powers last.

[balmy condor]

sepsis literally does twice the dps

and fae has better soulbinds

which is confusing

[limber lion]

The design choices are quite lazy

[balmy condor]

yeh

[sly elk]

I feel like if SBS gave us energy and could be exanguinated, it would be fine

[balmy condor]

no it wouldn't be

it would be the most broken op shit they've ever given sin

[sly elk]

I know

[limber lion]

Yep

[sly elk]

We've done our time. We deserve to be broken

[limber lion]

And that would take too much of Blizzard's time to get right

[balmy condor]

????????

we've been the go to rogue spec for like 6 years straight my guy

[sly elk]

It's a joke, I'm not actually serious lol

[limber lion]

I've literally only played Assa rogue since 7.3 and had to switch to Sub in Castle Nathria

Like, we've been gucci

[balmy condor]

I've played sin as a main spec and sub as an offspec since 6.1

[limber lion]

I just think they should buff assa's talents, abilities, interractions and whatnot. Instead of just giving us flat % buffs every other week.

[sly elk]

I was thinking about that one Torghast power that says when you vanish, do all of your bleed damage at once, and it always made me sad on the inside that it didn't one-shot anything with SBS on it since "all of the bleed damage" would be "until they die"

[limber lion]

That would probably break the game and the universe.

[sly elk]

Probably lol

[balmy condor]

those kinds of things are really weird to me honestly

[sly elk]

I thought I was so clever for thinking it up for the whole 5 seconds it took me to find out it didnt work like that lol

[balmy condor]

like it isn't the first time I've heard "oh vein rippers should work on sbs kekekekek" or "sbs work with exsang?" and stuff like that

which is actually just game breaking

and people legit get disappointed when I tell them no

it's the most odd thing to me

[sly elk]

To be fair, if sbs worked with exang, I'd have a lot more rogue friends in the seat of the primus

[balmy condor]

"can I do infinite dps?"
no
"oh wow that really sucks"

[sly elk]

I mean technically we already do infinite dps

Just very, very, VERY slowly

and not very well

[balmy condor]

you realize the "ps" part of "dps" stands for "per second"

right

[sly elk]

and it's less "damage per second" and more "damage per heat death of the universe"

But otherwise, we got it

[balmy condor]

you are a very strange person

[sly elk]

I'm a very tired person

[tribal marlin]

imagine

you press exg and

the 2nd time you press exsg sbs tick 4 time often

then 8time often

etc...

[balmy condor]

I was looking at someone's logs in 8.3

and he unironically cast garrote on cd

cause he thought pandemic would just keep ramping up the time on the dot

and then he would exsang a like 2 minute long garrote

twice

and then hold vendetta for the second exsang on it

[tribal marlin]

xD

[balmy condor]

like

this dude was living in a fucking different universe

[tribal marlin]

well

he could have tested it on dummy before going int oraids

[royal lantern]

he was above us normal mortals

just wait for the 8year duration garrote exsang cast

[balmy condor]

the amount of disconnect between people playing the game

and their realization of how the game works

is so insane to me

like that must be something you notice naturally right

you don't even need weakauras or anything for that

just common sense

that you can't infinitely stack garrotes

[royal lantern]

whisp, im lvling my first alt in SL rn

you have stuff like

tanks that dont notice that they dont have aggro trought out the entire fight

but using deffensive stuff

[balmy condor]

I'm telling you man

[limber lion]

It baffles me as well.