assassination

[low girder]

hmm

[dense cedar]

Me

My stream

[low girder]

[balmy condor]

nah

infexious has been well behaved

[dense cedar]

fornow

[balmy condor]

aside from the start when he was pounding his chest for "I said necro for LBE and no one listened to me, and now everyone's necro for LBE"

and then people actually played LBE

and realized it's not great

and then he got real quiet

[dense cedar]

at the end of the day

my TC was the most correct in the way it counts

Kyrian best

Cos Pelagos is a sweetie

[pulsar sluice]

sin > sub for sludgefist too

not a bait

[dense cedar]

Dom > Sub for sludgefist

[balmy condor]

honestly not sure about sludge

if you get zoldyck into lust on 4th pillar

maybe

[buoyant mauve]

god I miss 1.2min cd on vendetta for a fight like that

[dense cedar]

They should make triple vendetta relic vendetta the regular cd

[oak radish]

i would try exanguinate for sludge if i play assa for it

[grim canopy]

so why wouldn't kyrian be better for m+, for anima charged CT

[balmy condor]

exsang probably isn't the move either

[mortal pike]

what is the best for M+?

[balmy condor]

considering how bad exsang is

[raw saddle]

JPQ is the man

[balmy condor]

do I enforce the filter evasion

nah, probably a meme

we let it slide

[dense cedar]

if u don't use the filter

ur water gonna be icky

[raw saddle]

didnt you just say his name a bunch of times as well lol

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh kinda

to illustrate that he is in fact

not

the man

[raw saddle]

hahaha

[balmy condor]

and educate people

but fair point

[raw saddle]

he does pump deeps tho right

[balmy condor]

having gear doesn't make you any less of a dumbass

[oak radish]

imo he is really good sub player but not as good in outlaw

[raw saddle]

he went nearly naked and still did naerly 4k deeps

[balmy condor]

except he isn't really that great in sub either considering his prior statements

[dense cedar]

the less gear you have

the smarter you are

[oak radish]

correct statement or not , he was so good as sub imo

[dense cedar]

i am the most intelligent and serene of rogues

[balmy condor]

but we don't really need to discuss whether or not he's doing damage

the point still stands that he's banned, not welcome, and he spreads misinformation

[raw saddle]

gotcha

[dense cedar]

[mortal pike]

you ever really regret chosing threads of fate?

[dusty vault]

Every time

[mortal pike]

Been leveling up my rogue for the assa buff, assa feels pretty good atm 😮

good FLOW

Hows it feel in raids?

[bright shale]

Definitely have felt energy starved every time I've tried ass

[dense cedar]

Ass

[stoic needle]

your snd, rupture and garotte uptime is directly linked to how energy starved you will be

keep them all above 85% and you'll have enough energy to do anything you need to do

the worse you play the worse sin feels

[bright shale]

That is good to know

[balmy condor]

would suggest closer to 95%, but yeh, bleeds are your energy, drop your bleeds, you don't have energy

[indigo epoch]

2 fucking hours in torghast....to get defeated at the last boss.

fucking aids.

[dense cedar]

inb4 they give Sin combat potency

[dim yacht]

is unceasing chain link in torghast bugged?

i keep losing it for no reason

[balmy condor]

yes

it happens to other powers as well

[dim yacht]

is it just random or what

all classes?

[balmy condor]

not quite sure

[dim yacht]

man what a pita lol

ty though

[sour oasis]

hey

assa begin the first rogue spec with the up?

[balmy condor]

no

we have a pin for that

[noble gyro]

Can someone please tell me the opener for assassination

is it mut or ambush on open

[balmy condor]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

[noble gyro]

Thank you

[rare ember]

best assa conduit?

[balmy condor]

you can sim it

[uncut schooner]

Hi.

[fleet whale]

can someone tell me this streamer's name just by DM? i'm curious to see his highlights

[uncut schooner]

[fleet whale]

also idk if anyone of you noticed, but in twisting corridors, jack of all trades has a bug for sin

mutilate isn't generating extra cps from shadow blades

but every other sin ability does

[frail fossil]

that streamer is not bad at the game, but like whenever u go on his stream he is on about some giga dumb shit he feel crafted

like good player can still say dumb ass shit and their dps or w/e isn't making what they say truer

[spice spire]

[tender sluice]

Hey there. Anyone knows why I can access to all the settings? Im not in Combat?

I mean the left bar with all the options.

[plain spruce]

same issue atm

[balmy condor]

I assume a bug

Have you updated recently?

[plain spruce]

nope, will check tomorrow

[balmy condor]

If yes, downgrade, if no, update and try again

[tender sluice]

Ah found a way.

Just Delete Elv UI and Config both from Addons Folder.

Dont worry ur settings are saved in WTF Folder.

And just reinstall it with the normal way.

[balmy condor]

Yeah a fresh reinstall should do the trick

[tender sluice]

It did. ^^

Dumb question but im new into assa. Startet right now a clean character and cant find any easy rotation guides.

All ive found is pretty dumb and confusion. Any1 has a better idea?

[balmy condor]

Maintain garrote rupture and slice, cast vendetta and shiv on cooldown, generate with mutilate, finish with envenom

[tender sluice]

sounds good so far.

[balmy condor]

On 3 targets use fok to generate

That’s bout it

[arctic walrus]

So is this spec viable?

[balmy condor]

Soon ™️

[arctic walrus]

losers

[balmy condor]

Might be good in m+ tbh

It’s good enough

[tender sluice]

any german in here? 😄

[strange python]

Did sin buff roll out yet?

[plush oasis]

Tuesday.

[strange python]

thx

[gritty solstice]

So do we think sin will compare to Outlaw in M+?

[balmy condor]

We will be weaker most likely

[plush oasis]

If it ends up strong, I'd imagine it'd be on high keys that allow ramp up on trash.

[balmy condor]

Contrary to popular belief, subterfuge garrotes are actually a very big part of the damage

The ramp time isn’t actually that important

[plush oasis]

I remember that was very good when using shrouded suff in BFA. Will it compare now though?

Then again, outlaw wasn't aoe capped then.

[balmy condor]

It’s similar, just without the azerite powers

The core gameplay is still there

[umbral rapids]

sin channel be popping

[north basin]

Why up 8% to abilities and not 8% to overall.... sin doing like half damage as white melee attacks..

We like take a bone and shut up

[grizzled jay]

Overall would include white attacks no?

[north basin]

Should ye

But the decide not to

They

[grizzled jay]

So I'd rather they stray away from white attacks

Boring as hell

[north basin]

Staying outlaw til next tier ) , not enuf buff imo

[gleaming fable]

gg

[mortal pike]

have any sims been updated yet :o?

[willow leaf]

no reason to as the changes aren't in yet, or final for that matter. still puts it below sub for st and outlaw for aoe as it is now

[wind nymph]

Hello there, i'm thinking about putting Zoldyk on feets, is there any drawback putting zoldyk on feets instead of legs

?

[grizzled jay]

More stats on leg?

Just sim imo

[sick kestrel]

Hi guys, have seen the 9% ability buff. Am I right in thinking it wont do much for us seeing as though our damage is now overwhelmingly melee? Idk

[serene elbow]

yes, legs have more stats on it, on boots u get 66 agi, and 2 secondary stats with +55, while on legs u get 88 agi and secondary stats with + 74 (on max rank)

[tender sluice]

I have a complicated question. Its possible to get Pathfinder Achiev as twink when u dont quest?

Ive switched my Main from Hunter to Rouge and idk if I should quest it all again or if i just skip cause of the achiev..

[serene elbow]

also feet slot is easy to get on high lvl via BoE

[wind nymph]

thanks @serene elbow appreciate 🙏

[tender sluice]

Which Pact ist the best for Assa?

[tender sluice]

Which ones does you guys use?

[past bramble]

I assume Night Fae is the best one at the moment in terms of DPS

[stuck tartan]

night fae or kyrian

[tulip nacelle]

I'm not sin but kyrian is probs better until burrs or first strike

[stuck tartan]

First strike is better on M+ yeah

but kyrian and night fae are pretty close still in general

[flint raptor]

yes

[vestal wren]

we have quite some german speakers in discord

[pastel notch]

Kyrian pot is BiS

plus you get a little swole manlet butler

easy choice

[wheat vigil]

Wondering if I should go ahead and craft zoldyck for Tuesday

Have to sim it first I guess

[worn panther]

Assuming Shiv is up and I'll need to rebuff bleeds during shiv window, do I hold shiv or use it?

If I'm in this situation, this means I fucked up basically right

And should have rebuffed bleeds a little early (assuming no subterfuge)

[stuck tartan]

Not really, u can hold up that shiv with no problem, sometimes its just gonna be that way lol, u cant literally plan 2 minutes ahead of when you're gonna need to reapply bleeds because doing it early is bad too

[warm parcel]

You dont hold shiv

The only condition for shiv is that you have put up your first rup

Obviously you wanna hold if we talking sludge or dispel in m+

[primal zinc]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[halcyon grail]

Is that BiS flow sheet pre buff?

[tulip nacelle]

nothing really changes with the aura buff afaik since it's flat damage

[jolly quiver]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[novel temple]

how is assassiantion with the buff?

[stoic needle]

Approximately ~6.5% better

[novel temple]

still behind the other specs?

[stoic needle]

Dare we even say... Viable

It's behind outlaw but it's better than sub for aoe

[novel temple]

sub right now,

[stoic needle]

?

[novel temple]

I am spec sub right now

[stoic needle]

It's close enough that you can pick whatever spec you want and not be griefing your team

[fading wigeon]

In cleave we may be really good. Will ha e to wait and see

[novel temple]

Ok i am kind of a new to rogue, only been playing one from the start of shadowlands

[stoic needle]

Play which spec you enjoy the most you can't go wrong

[novel temple]

yea i tried outlaw and sub, never really assassination ill try it out

[mortal tartan]

assassin is fun but it sucks so much rn

[frigid kestrel]

uhh ok so why Zoldyck over Dashing?

[stoic needle]

Dashing sucks once there's more than one target

And it's not that far ahead of zoldyck in pure ST

[exotic sundial]

I’ve always liked sin

I love bleeds and poisons

Sucks that I started sub and had to buy all new gear and maybe new legendary too

Never played sub other than this season

[stoic needle]

Ya I regret crafting celerity lol

Gonna have to wait until the week after next for doomblade for pvp

[exotic sundial]

At least I made master assassin. It’s ok for all specs

I’m still debating the best legendary for sin PvP

[stoic needle]

Doomblade seems like the best to me but I haven't tested it yet

It adds more pressure and more burst

[novel temple]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[south nest]

I only played sub rogue, but Sin is my Baby and i want to play him again on wednesday. But i have only 18% haste..is that enough haste to play sin to some extent?

[stoic needle]

That's more than enough

I have that much and my sims tell me to go for other stats now

[exotic sundial]

The bleed from Mut on Doomblade is weak but it adds an extra bleed so more envenom dmg

[south nest]

And is there currently a streamer who plays Sin and also has a clue about it?

[exotic sundial]

Can have 4 bleeds I think that’s 20> more dmg

20%

[south nest]

Well.. I'm hyped af for wednesday 😄

[stoic needle]

The best thing about it is that it's a bleed that doesn't cost any extra resources to apply

Like if they cleanse your bleed you can just reapply it with another mut

[exotic sundial]

I’m passed I even bought the conquest mastery ring to have 2 mastery rings for sub

Oh well

[gleaming eagle]

what was the last sin buff ? @balmy condor

[exotic sundial]

Pissed*

5%

[gleaming eagle]

5% all dmg?

oh

thought we got buff last week

or this week

[north basin]

so we pick last nightfae covenant with 10% increased damage to targets above 75% then craft zoldik. and yolo?

[loud niche]

5% aura buff to spec =/= 5% buff

it's not giving you 5% more white hit dps and whatnot. the 8% i think it was koji said would equal like a 5.5% buff

[stoic needle]

We got 5% a few weeks ago and 8% coming this next Tuesday for a total of 13%

[loud niche]

yeah. still at the very top end if youre max dps vs max dps i bet it's trolling to not play otl or sub. but i think this is a big step in the right direction. another 3 or 4% buff would really put sin where i can play it in raid and not get benched

[stoic needle]

Yup, back in the beta the big brains said it needed about 20% total to be in a good spot

If we got a few more % and some talent reworks we would be in a very good place

[north basin]

30% of sin damage comes from whitemelee+ oil+trinkets +pot . so 70% of remaining got buffed by 8% . do math )

not huge (

[stoic needle]

Whispyr posted a string in here a while back that lets you sim with the 8% buff

For me it was almost a 300 dps increase which is pretty solid

[teal kettle]

i just don't know how you play the spec when garroting from stealth gives 1 cp

[stoic needle]

If I hit 1400 this weekend I'll get lvl 4 zoldyck, 8% buff, and fill up like 3 sub 200 slots with 207 gear in the same week. Talk about an upgrade lol

[teal kettle]

feels awful

[novel temple]

hmm so when you switch specs it doesnt switch your soulbounds

[stoic needle]

It doesn't switch your conduits but it switches your soulbinds

[novel temple]

ahh yea correct

hey question i am wielding a sinful gladiator shanker and sinful aspriant dagger, should i buy a offhand gladiator weapon i finally got another 900 conquest

[stoic needle]

Sim it with the droptimizer

[novel temple]

ahh ok i got figure out how to use that

is there a help page?

[stoic needle]

Not that I know of

But it's pretty simple

[novel temple]

i did download the simcraft add on

[stoic needle]

No it's in raidbots

[novel temple]

raidbot addon?

[stoic needle]

Oh sorry I misunderstood

Type /simc when you're ingame

And copy and paste that text into raidbots

On the website

In the droptimizer section

And then click the conquest pvp gear tab

[ripe bone]

whats better in thorgast twisting coridors, assa or outlaw ?

[solar hare]

Sub

[novel temple]

ok i am at the page now

[solar hare]

But probably sin out of those 2

Outlaw is bad for torg

[stoic needle]

Sin is better than sub for torg

Vein rippers is just so fucking good

[novel temple]

on the page i see compare sets of gear, currently equiped gear set and gearset name

[ripe bone]

kk thx cause i wiped at the final boss with outlaw after a 2,5 hour run at difficulty 6

[novel temple]

how do i add the new weapon?>

[solar hare]

Cant you get vein rippers as sub somehow

[stoic needle]

Idts

Your only bleed is rupture it wouldn't be anywhere close to as good

[stoic needle]

Are you in the droptimizer section

It should show you the different dungeons, castle nathria raid, and pvp conquest and pvp honor gear

You want to click the conquest button and then sim

[solar hare]

Vein rippers as sub 🙂

[novel temple]

i think i figured it out

seems to be much less skills in assassination

compared to other specs

[stoic needle]

Uh, maybe I'm blind, but he doesn't use vanish in this clip

He just eviscerates it for 1.5 mil

Like you can look at the ability log and his buffs

He doesn't cast it or get the vanish buff

[solar hare]

Oops wrong clip

Thats the step thing

[stoic needle]

Lmao

[karmic nymph]

thats with the step buff

[stoic needle]

Sin can do the same thing

Maybe just not as quickly

[novel temple]

what is this telling me

[solar hare]

Yeah its a thing but i think just first step being main damage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/797440686504804383/unknown.png

Vein is for sure way better as sinc

[stoic needle]

You're not using the droptimizer

You're using gear compare

[novel temple]

ohh

[stoic needle]

And it's telling you that axes are bad for sin

[novel temple]

let me try that again

[balmy condor]

I’m not sure the doomblade bleed counts onto the envenom damage

[exotic sundial]

It should

[balmy condor]

Yeh but it’s a little weird

Not sure if they fixed that ever

[loud niche]

it should... much like sepsis should be a poison.

[novel temple]

so i ran this how do i add a new weapon to offand to compare?

[balmy condor]

The weapons are in there somewhere

I would think at least

[loud niche]

if your current weps are higher ilvl that what you're simming at then you'll need to sim it at a higher m+ or raid setting

[novel temple]

lol i got no idea how to run this

ran it againt PVP seaons 1 conquest see if that makes sense

[balmy condor]

Select the item level you’re simulating for, and it’ll tell you which items are upgrades

[stoic needle]

If it's not showing up in that list it's probably not a big upgrade

[novel temple]

i see, so you got compare it againt a dungeon or boss?

[stoic needle]

Offhands aren't as big upgrades as main hands

No, the PvP gear has weapons

[balmy condor]

Yeh, the default for raids is patchwerk 5 min 1 boss

[stoic needle]

Click the show all variations button

[balmy condor]

For dungeons you would choose dungeonslice

[novel temple]

ok let me see what happens after this sim

[balmy condor]

Gotta compare to a fight type to know how much either choice happens to matter

[stoic needle]

Seriously?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

It was doing jank during beta

And I don’t think they ever fixed it

[novel temple]

anyone pay for premium features

[balmy condor]

Yup

[novel temple]

I am considering

[stoic needle]

If by pay you mean borrow my guildmates then yes

It's absolutely worth it

[novel temple]

not that expensive if i can remember to cancel it at some point in my life 🙂

[stoic needle]

This picture tells me you picked world bosses, not conquest gear

That's why no weapons are showing up

Because the world bosses don't drop weapons

[novel temple]

so is this saying that sinful gladiator shanker would be a .7 increase

[balmy condor]

For your offhand, yes

[novel temple]

ok thanks

so really nothing to buy with these conquest currency if biggest i get is 1 percent

[balmy condor]

I wish I still had 1% upgrades

:(

Also if you get higher rank, the ilvl goes up

That’s where the real stuff is

200 is nothing

[novel temple]

ohh i need higher rank?

to get better gear?

[balmy condor]

Yup

[novel temple]

ahh i am rank 7 now

[balmy condor]

No not that rank

Like rating rank

[novel temple]

conquest rank?

[stoic needle]

You need arena rank

1400

[novel temple]

ohhh

got do rank pvp?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[novel temple]

ohh ok

[balmy condor]

1800 is 220 gear for example

[stoic needle]

Apparently 1400 and 1600 are relatively easy to get to as a rogue

[novel temple]

i done nonrated, and not very good at it

[stoic needle]

Practice makes perfect

[fossil slate]

Whispyr do you have the string hanging around for the stone legion trinket paste for sims?

[balmy condor]

shadowlands.stone_legionnaires_in_party=0

[fossil slate]

Thank you

[novel temple]

assassination is missing that nice stealth heal talent

[cunning rapids]

Is sepsis affected by shiv

[balmy condor]

Yes

[cunning rapids]

Thank you

[zinc ridge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[pastel apex]

assassination will be good in pvp now??

[novel temple]

how are you guys healing, i am so use to sub spec with the stealth heal talent

[stoic needle]

Leeching poison

Ends up being better than the stealth healing talent if you're referring to torghast

Also the recuperator conduit

[novel temple]

ahh ok thanks, let me check those out

well i liked it in PVP also at least in battlegrounds

[stoic needle]

Recuperator and cloaked in shadows

It's quite a bit of extra survivability and healing

[novel temple]

so i need a friend to do 2v2 pvp ranked 🙂

[balmy condor]

Yup, or grab someone from group finder

[novel temple]

ha ha yea thanks

[exotic sundial]

Anyone here that plays Sin in PvP; any tips on surviving more than 3 secs? I find if we are up against melee times and I get in the mix I just explode. Too much cleave dmg

[stoic needle]

Kite kite kite

[main forge]

and don't leave stealth

[stoic needle]

Also smoke bomb

Yeah don't leave stealth until absolutely necessary

[exotic sundial]

😂

If I kite when I rejoin my partner is dead lol

[stoic needle]

Ideally you want to Cc one of them and then burn down the other

[exotic sundial]

Ya

[stoic needle]

That's not necessarily your problem lol

[exotic sundial]

People think rogue is easy mode but have no idea

The coordination it takes

[main forge]

Sin rogue is the weakest in pvp right now

for all 3 specs

[stoic needle]

But if one of them breaks out of your cc, both you and your partner should try to disengage

[exotic sundial]

That’s partly why I like sin at least I will prob do some dmg with my bleeds and poisons when I’m running away lol

[stoic needle]

Or try to get a kidney off and buy yourself more time

That's why rogue mage is a good combo

They can just poly after your sap and blind end

[exotic sundial]

I just find there is just too damn much aoe/cleave dmg

I don’t play with a mage lol

[stoic needle]

I mean if both of them are up and attacking you're probably already screwed

Idk maybe I'm a scrub but a head to head 2v2 is an uphill battle

Unless you both have mongo burst and just delete them

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you're caught in a situation where both of your opponents are cleaving you you probably won't survive. You have to blow all of your defensives at the very least

[exotic sundial]

Ya

Getting popped from stealth so often doesn’t help too

[main forge]

That's bad placement on your part.

short of a DH, you shouldn't get popped from stealth

[exotic sundial]

Do you guys use SnD in PvP?

[main forge]

stay out of the middle, off pillars... make them work to find you.

I really haven't pvp'd as sin this expansion much, but I don't think snd is good for pvp, but I may be wrong on that.

[exotic sundial]

The prob is if I need to put my bleeds up and SnD that’s 2 finishers. When do I envenom and get at least kinda decent burst

[main forge]

unless you can stay on the target for the entire time it is up... or you have the recuperator conduit.

[unborn flint]

bleed playstyle aint really a thing tho....our bleeds currently do negative damage in pvp....i tried

[exotic sundial]

That’s way too much ramp up

[main forge]

rupture and deadly really don't do all that much damage in pvp

nor garrote

[exotic sundial]

It needs to be passively added like before

[main forge]

I honestly recommend playing Sub, I hate to say it, but it is better for pvp.

[stoic needle]

Neverrr

[exotic sundial]

I was sub. The burst is awesome but wasn’t for me

And outside of dance I hit for nothing

[unborn flint]

sin just doesnt have the numbers right now to do much in pvp

[main forge]

you hit harder than Sin.

[exotic sundial]

I’m not trying to get 2k+ anyways. Just want to have fun but rolled isn’t fun lol

[main forge]

nor does sin offer more control either

[stoic needle]

If you get off the fat NS envenom I'd say it's got pretty decent burst

So if you can outplay people and bait all their shit out you can end them but it's hard to get to that point

[exotic sundial]

I like it 1v1. More so then sub

[stoic needle]

If you mfd kidney out of stealth sometimes people think you're sub and blow everything

[exotic sundial]

Especially vs warriors

[stoic needle]

Then you just wait a bit and actually kill them

[unborn flint]

to be fair anything beats warriors 1v1

[exotic sundial]

Sadly in arena they can see my spec lol

[main forge]

yeah... aren't warriors like the weakest right now in pvp?

[stoic needle]

What?

[unborn flint]

they are good in arenas but suck ass in 1v1

[stoic needle]

Warriors are really good in pvp right now

Yeah they have kinda bad defensives and no sustain but they do shit tons of damage

[main forge]

idk, I don't have a problem with warriors... pallies, warlocks, mages, druids, so many other classes scare me

[unborn flint]

yeah lol warriors are the least of our problems

[stoic needle]

They get really annoying with paladins

Or any other class that can heal them

[main forge]

anything with a pally is annoying though

[stoic needle]

Paladins in general are just the worst

[mortal tartan]

do you guys take vigor or mfd

[exotic sundial]

Least defensive?

Warriors may have the most lol

Including def stance that’s perms 20% dmg reduction

Die by the sword, rally cry, disarm, aoe fear, ranged stun, can heap out. They may have the least self healing though.

Leao*

Leap* lol

[stoic needle]

Well a bunch of those are CC, and some are mobility

They have die by the sword, spell reflect, d stance and rallying cry I guess

[exotic sundial]

Plus what else you stated lol

Just no real self heal

Which is why with a healer they are OP

[mint peak]

Warrior can sit dstance the whole game and do double your damage no idea how anyone thinks they suck defensively

[stoic needle]

Were really just splitting hairs here about what constitutes a defensive

[royal lantern]

people also still say that cloak is the most op immunity

its clueless idiots

warrior has way better deffensive skills then rogue

deffensive stance is borderline broken

[exotic sundial]

Ya. I’ll trade that for lol elusiveness

[stoic needle]

I want old-school premed back

The complete cd reset

[mint peak]

You mean prep?

[fading wigeon]

There is a PvP channel guys

[stoic needle]

Yeah prep sry

Premed was like.. extra combo points or something

[loud niche]

OG premed was like 2 cp version of mfd

[fickle agate]

how much haste should I have?

as much as i can or?

[stoic needle]

until your sims tell you that other stats will give you more damage

[ember oasis]

so... how big is the 8%?

[royal lantern]

i would say more then 7%, but slightly less then 9%

[mortal tartan]

i don't think the buff is really going to matter, sin rogue just feels awful rotation wise

slice and dice doesn't really fit in the rotation and it makes it a pain to have to keep up

[royal lantern]

its excatly the same gameplay we have since legion, just with SnD now

and the numbers will be somewhat close too sub

wich will maybe "kill"sub

[stoic needle]

rotation feels fine to me

you just can't make too many mistakes

[mortal tartan]

snd just feels so awkward

i feel like i need vigor because mutilate and sht costs so much energy, but then i lose out on mfd which would be a free 5 cp snd

[stoic needle]

yeah vigor is pretty mandatory unless you're doing M+

but idk i just make sure to put it up first and refresh during pandemic and i get 96%+ snd uptime

[main forge]

Honestly feint needs the energy cost removed

[mortal tartan]

id be fine with a longer cd but no energy cost

like 30 seconds

[stoic needle]

if my scrub ass can do it anyone can do it

[warm canopy]

use nimble fingers conduit

[main forge]

save 9 energy woohoo

[warm canopy]

10

[main forge]

I think mine is still 9 haven't got the upgrade

[warm canopy]

And feint needs an energy cost

[main forge]

Nah it doesn't

kick doesn't have one

[warm canopy]

It's one of the best spells in the game

[main forge]

not at the low haste levels with the cost of energy right now

it could be halved at the very least

[warm canopy]

Nimble fingers almost halves it

I have zero issues using feint when I feel the need to

Never have I felt the energy cost is dicking me

On any spec

[main forge]

35 - 10 = 25 ... yeah that's half alright >_>

[mortal tartan]

yeah ive never really had a problem with it now that i think about it

[warm canopy]

I don't know, get good at energy management is all I can say

Legit never heard of anyone complaining about the energy cost on feint

[balmy condor]

I've heard complaints

[main forge]

35 energy is fairly expensive

[balmy condor]

but I agree it's pretty much whatever

just get energy

[mortal tartan]

without dbm i can see a problem with the cost

[warm canopy]

It's a 15 sec CD that reduces all AOE by 40%

Most classes wish they had something as strong and useful as that

[main forge]

like it wouldn't kill or make it overpowered to reduce it's energy cost to 15-20 energy.

[royal lantern]

mate, not really

[main forge]

Some classes DO have something as powerful

[royal lantern]

feint is shit cus it doesnt work for so many things

and needs a talent too actually work on everything

[main forge]

and its only really good when talented

[warm canopy]

That's why nimble fingers does exactly that

[royal lantern]

and cloak is allready limited by default

[warm canopy]

Cloak is also an insane spell

[main forge]

Until its on cooldown

[warm canopy]

We can cheese so many things

Oh yeah let's just not have a CD on a full 3sec magic immunity.....

[balmy condor]

except we can't

cloak has been nerfed by raid mechanics

[main forge]

Cloak doesn't work on many thing these days like it once did

[warm canopy]

In Nathria maybe

[main crypt]

the 8% doesnt really feel like 8%, considering 25% of your damage is our auto melee attack, and the buff is only for our abilities

[main forge]

nor does evasion

[warm canopy]

But in the past....not

[mortal tartan]

ive soaked a lot of shit with cloak in nathria

[royal lantern]

if you still think feint and cloak are some insane broken shit

maybe dont play wod/legion lmao

[warm canopy]

Didn't say they were broken

[royal lantern]

feint and cloak got gutted so hard at this point, its sad

[warm canopy]

They are very useful and strong

[main forge]

It works okay. but pally bubble I found to be superior for say clearing traps on xy'mox

[royal lantern]

warrior and dk have better deffensive abilitys on less cd at this point

[warm canopy]

DK is overpowered

[main forge]

"Why bring a rogue?"

[warm canopy]

no one is arguing that

[royal lantern]

AMS is cloak with less cd that also gives you dmg

[stoic needle]

i had this beautiful clutch cloak that completely cancelled an inerva add yesterday

but that's about it

[warm canopy]

No reason to bring a Rogue with DKs in their current state at the highest level

[main forge]

we are arguing that... we are arguing about being stronger and you are saying they are fine

[balmy condor]

good thing its 2017 and not 2021

[main forge]

Can't wait to play in BC servers again when people complained about CoS being the "IWIN" button relive 2007 all over again

[warm canopy]

haha we're not strong because other classes are just busted

Rogues generally aren't bad

besides our 1 meme spec

[main forge]

if 50% of the classes are doing better... that means we are weaker... doesn't mean they are busted

[warm canopy]

Except it's not 50%

[main forge]

correct, its definitely higher

[balmy condor]

rogue is very very bad

like

everything brings utility

we don't

its that easy

[main forge]

Even our "soothe" is on a 25 second cooldown and part of our DPS rotation

[mortal tartan]

i can't even remember the last time i used shroud in high end content

[warm canopy]

Bruh shiv doesn't soothe

[balmy condor]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[main forge]

Im done here

[balmy condor]

shiv doesn't soothe he says

[stoic needle]

u wot m8

[balmy condor]

I'm rolling

[main forge]

I mean I just learned this myself at the start of the expac

[warm canopy]

Oh right they changed it

[main forge]

Mind-Numbing + Shiv = soothe

[balmy condor]

that's cause it didn't soothe before the start of the expac

[warm canopy]

nah it does soothe

[royal lantern]

tbf whisp

most of the time its better too use criplling anyway

cus tanks cant facetank anyway lmao

[warm canopy]

Yeah I forgot on tooltip it doesn't show unless you got numbing on

[balmy condor]

not really tho

[fleet anchor]

That's sadly true for M+ tbh

[royal lantern]

like

[main forge]

Nah it doesn't show with mind-numbing on either i swear

[warm canopy]

It does

[fleet anchor]

I use crippling more often than mind numbing nowadays

[warm canopy]

I just checked it

[royal lantern]

i put criplling on 90%of the time and switch too mindnumbing quick when you reach a soothe pack

[mortal tartan]

i think it might only be for sin rogue

[fleet anchor]

Since tanks don't actually tank anymore 😛

[main forge]

It works for sub rogue too

[mortal tartan]

it doesn't show when i spec for sub but it does on sin though

like the tooltip

[main forge]

but sub doesn't use shiv as its dps rotation

[royal lantern]

you telling me that "dh puts his 200k aoe dmg nuke into the pack and then leaps max range away" is not REAL tanking koji?

[fleet anchor]

lol

[mortal tartan]

oh nvm i cant read

[royal lantern]

but ye, i still say that add dmg in m+

[fleet anchor]

Our real utility is tricks+crippling so the tank doesn't have to tank

[royal lantern]

right now is simply too high

cus ye, ofc kiting is important and should be done too some degree

but tanks beeing forced too kite all the time in +12 keys is stupid lol

[fleet anchor]

Honestly Blizzard just seems to have completely missed the mark with damage intake across the board since the start of SL

I'm still convinced they think we have Azerite HP bonuses or something

[main forge]

well they may have factored in renown 40 into it too

[fleet anchor]

Everything from M+ to Torghast

everything just does way too much damage

Period

[mortal tartan]

i can't even play torghast

it doesn't feel good to play when your anima powers slowly disappear because of some lame bug

[main forge]

I love torghast but I totally am envious of other classes powers in there

[fleet anchor]

Like things doing over 120k melee swings in groups, 48k melee swings solo even on layer 1.. like who thought that was ok lol

[main forge]

I don't get hit that hard

[mortal tartan]

probably subs best anima power just gets deleted from your powers slowly as you climb floors

[main forge]

Did you forget to repair your gear? layer 1 is roll on face keyboard mode even as a rogue... I mean it is probably more difficult then other classes but still

I have no idea how to play my boomkin and totally walk in layer one and just aggro whole rooms down

[fleet anchor]

Unmitigated final bosses swing for about 20-30k depending on the boss

[mortal tartan]

torghast isn't hard for me at all it just sucks that its so bugged

[fleet anchor]

And can crit

[real bay]

some mobs hit super hard even on layer1 lol

[main forge]

but my rogue as sin or sub... definitely have to be more methodical

[fleet anchor]

The crits are the problem because they will essentially one-shot you without high HP

[exotic sundial]

So after just doing a BG I did pretty damn good but mutilate dmg is terrible. I think that’s prob of Sin prob

[fleet anchor]

And totally RNG

[exotic sundial]

Mut is hitting for 500 max

[royal lantern]

wanna know how bad cloak is right now?

[mortal tartan]

if you get 3 of the powers that reduces your crimson vile by 10 seconds and the one that gives you a random defensive when you use it you literally never die

[main forge]

even better... if you the +hp stamina buffs, your crimson vial heals harder

[royal lantern]

you cant even cloak the wipe mechanic in sunking

and its fire dmg

smh

ussules ability

[main forge]

50k heals easy

[fleet anchor]

this was one of my wipes on Layer 3 lol

[royal lantern]

you mean

[main forge]

fuck that sentinel... he's actually one that does hurt, I forget about him...

[royal lantern]

praying that you have 100%evasion uptime with step/hook at floor 12, cus otherwhise you die in 2melee hits

[fleet anchor]

yes

[royal lantern]

is not a good desing?

[fleet anchor]

😄

[royal lantern]

and then pray you actually HAVE 100%evasion and cloak uptime

and not get feint 4x in a row 🙂

[main forge]

feint needs to be taken off that shit

[fleet anchor]

On my Layer 4 Assassination run I got lucky with HP bonus stuff

And had like 140k hp lol

And 35% Leech

So that mostly worked as long as I had like 70% evasion uptime

[royal lantern]

i failed at layer8 endboss yesterday cus of it

boss has 9million hp

[fleet anchor]

yeah it's nuts

[royal lantern]

evasion is not up for 1 melee hit=you instantly die

[fleet anchor]

basically yeah, it's kinda crazy

[mortal tartan]

you can get lucky and get the power that gives you a 1.5m pally bubble on the last boss

ive got it like 3 times

[royal lantern]

feels good too spend almost 2hours going trought that

[fleet anchor]

I get layer 8 isn't supposed to be easy to clear on the very first week, I can mostly accept that

[royal lantern]

and then fail the run cus evasion rng is not perfect

[fleet anchor]

But the way that it is "hard"

Doesn't feel good

[main forge]

Yeah I got it 3 times on my 3 anima balls..... and still turned it down for layer 1

I don't think we get an armor upgrade either for anima power

[royal lantern]

there isa generic armor upgrade

from a specific rare

[main forge]

My Boomkin got a 100% more armor buff... holy shit going from 30% mitigation to 50% or something stupid

I haven't seen it in awhile then

on my rogue at least

got it twice on my boomie

[fleet anchor]

Never seen that as a Rogue, might be Druid specific not sure

Or just some rare

Would be pretty sweet lol

[royal lantern]

the drust rare has a "100%increased armor" power

but i saw him once in all runs

[mortal tartan]

if you use the red orb on them?

[royal lantern]

nah, rare i mean those minibosses that always drop a power

[mortal tartan]

ohh

i never buy those orbs every time i've used them i've just got some bs anima that is somewhat useless

[royal lantern]

eh

when you get soulforge

you use the pokeball orb on the soulforge mages

for 65%fire dmg reduction

and the passive dot doesnt do anything anymore then

[mortal tartan]

oh sht

i guess i should've done my research lmao

[royal lantern]

its the only time where its REALLY good

[fading wigeon]

It's ridiculous how easy torghast is on my lock compared to rogue.

Rogue feels like garbo in there

[main forge]

Totally need to get that for soulforge... drop that on 4th floor on the first mob and boom ... 65% reduction in fire damage

but not I wasn't talking about that.... It might just be a druid anima power.... we don't get one that ups our dodge or armor % afaik and we should

[novel temple]

seems like every class has longer stuns then rogues I thought we are suppose to be the stun masters

[main forge]

Overgrowth Seedling Increases your armor by 100%. - yeah that's what I got on my druid 2x the past two days....

nah all stuns are 6 seconds i think... ours is 7 if you have the 6th combo point

[rocky ruin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mpHfCLyBF2hp4uNqfxToJf

hmmm

My outlaw sim say 5052 dps

[royal lantern]

eh, kidney is still the longest default stun

[rocky ruin]

not so much difference anymore

[royal lantern]

the problem is more like, many other classes have stuns that cant be avoided that easy, kidney can be dodged/parried by like 80%of the classes

so you always need too do step->kidney

[main forge]

and you need the combo points to pop it off

Crazy thinking with it... but it would be nice if we could build up past 5-6 combo points and "save" them for a burst phase. Like hold on to 10-20 combo points.

maybe only for a single target that can be possible to build up

[warm parcel]

You mean like rogue used to have for years

[main forge]

.... we could never build up 10-20 combo points on a single target

[warm parcel]

Chief

[main forge]

I missed that expansion if that happened

[warm parcel]

10 combo points was the default for quite some time

Anticipation was a talent you always picked

[main forge]

What in legion? or wod?

I didn't play those sadly... well I played the garrison

[gentle gyro]

way before

anticipation is..cata?

[warm parcel]

https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Anticipation_(rogue_talent)

[gentle gyro]

i think?

[warm parcel]

from mop till wod

[balmy condor]

wod

[royal lantern]

anicipation was still in the game in legion i thik?

[gentle gyro]

mists, almost

[royal lantern]

atleast for sub

[gentle gyro]

was it really?

[main forge]

Definitely don't remember using it in Mists

[gentle gyro]

i don't remember it being there, but i also mained sin there

[main forge]

but yeah looking it up it was there

whatever other talent there was... was our goto... but that was also probably during the switching target = loss of combo points

damn actually yeah I probably did use it... shit, don't even remember that

[fleet anchor]

lol still why we have combo_points>=cp_max_spend everywhere in the APL.. maybe someday it will come back

[warm parcel]

lol

[fleet anchor]

Would definitely be nice these days since Mutilate/Outlaw SS procs/etc. have a lot of overflow potential atm

[main forge]

idk if I want at as a talent but naturally baked in some fashion

even sub has overflow potential but sub is a whole nother ball game

[fleet anchor]

Sub does have overflow potential but in the normal sequences it's a little less common. They don't have to finish at lower CP amounts quite as much as the other two. Even with the logic to avoid it, Outlaw wastes almost a quarter of its SS extra CP procs. And Assassination has to finish at low CP a lot to avoid Mutilate capping. Just kinda funny how often Rogues don't finish at max CP currently due to all the layered mechanics.

And so many wasted SS Garrote CP in BfA 😦

[main forge]

When I came back I probably was still used to anticipation kept going up to 5-6 combo points.

wasting so much of that double mutilate and garrote CP

[lyric crater]

qustion what covent better for assasstion ?

[mortal tartan]

@lyric crater night fae is a safe choice

[lyric crater]

ok im kyian atm since they are buff assasstion to where i can raid with want to see what covent i should go

[mortal tartan]

pelagos was a good soul bind early thats why a lot of people went kyrian but its getting to the point where the night fae soul binds are getting better so people are moving towards them

[lyric crater]

gotca

i was night for a few weeks then swiths so guess i might have to go back

[sacred yarrow]

Hopefully it doesn't take long to go back

[stoic needle]

it takes like 6 or 7 dungeons

its easy

[lyric crater]

cool i like dungen

[stoic needle]

i wish flagellation wasn't such garbage and i didn't feel the need to switch T_T

[viral gale]

flagellation is just so not fun to use, I really don't like it

[storm perch]

The main reason of changing covenants are soulbinds. Covenant's abilities are pretty equal.

[stoic needle]

I like the venthyr aesthetic and story but flag is just awful. Clutters up the rotation and doesn't feel as satisfying as any of the others

[royal lantern]

jokes on your

the others also dont feel satisfying too use in any way

[novel temple]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[mortal tartan]

the rogue abilities feel pretty underwhelming imo

compared to some classes abilities

like whenever i see dks swing their arms around it makes me want to play one

[exotic sundial]

What does everyone Mut hot for in PvP? Imo gay needs a 25% buff

Imo that needs *

Lol no idea how that got there

[stoic needle]

Echoing reprimand is fun to play with compared to flag

None of the others are as annoying

[main forge]

None of our abilities are even flashy are they? Like they don't have any animation or anything to go along with it... Like I notice other classes do.

[lilac anchor]

So if I'm siming Assa on RaidBots, any what sort of % should I be adding to the total dps for after servers reset?

[balmy condor]

0%

raidbots is now up to date with the buff

[lilac anchor]

Ok, thanks

[stoic needle]

Where is the rogue convoke

Or like faeline stomp on monks

Or condemn or spear

Every other class has cool covenant abilities except us

Kyrian is the only one that comes close to being cool because you get a fat 7cp finisher as a reward but that still pales in comparison to all the others

[main forge]

But it doesn't show anything cool. Like drops big fat anima puddle or anything like you did something cool

Even the druid kyriam ability is neat and makes you glow with your partner.

[stoic needle]

I think the worst part is we'll probably never see covenant ability reworks

[main forge]

Not unless they add another covenant

[mortal tartan]

i feel like the kyrian signature ability could've been a lot cooler than summon steward

[main forge]

and not a rework but just we all switch to the new covenant

[delicate bone]

summon steward is amazing

[main forge]

summon steward is frigging great

[delicate bone]

legit the best signature ability tbh

[knotty bear]

still 400dps behind my outlaw 😦

[main forge]

probably tied for the most useful signature ability honestly

[stoic needle]

I just can't stand kyrian as a concept

Fucking death cops

Otherwise I'd just switch because they're definitely the best

[mortal tartan]

honestly idgaf about any of the covenants i think they are all meh

[delicate bone]

they are

but thats "balance" lol

[stoic needle]

There's a difference between balance and boring

[main forge]

When they all look like vanilla ice cream.... you still happy you got ice cream

[delicate bone]

not really

[stoic needle]

Yes really

[delicate bone]

balance is boring

[mortal tartan]

i swear i couldn't tell the difference between the oribos stuff and bastion when they first revealed the covenants

[stoic needle]

If they made the effects actually interesting instead of a pain in the ass to use they wouldn't be boring

No I mean like

The abilities could be cool but they've gone out of their way to make them boring

Sepsis is the perfect example

[main forge]

Well they had 11 other classes to make interesting abilities for

[stoic needle]

It used to have all of this awesome stealth interactions but they removed them all

[main forge]

that would cost a raid tier to focus on making rogue useful

[mortal tartan]

sepsis was cool when it gave you a vanish proc

[warm parcel]

how was that any more cool

exactly same outcome

you press an extra stealth button

[stoic needle]

No it's not the same outcome

[main forge]

I'd rather it give a vanish proc

[warm parcel]

minus the bullshit qol you would lack

[main forge]

then you can at least time it to use on something

[stoic needle]

You don't get cto bonuses, no subterfuge bonuses, no ma bonuses, literally nothing

[warm parcel]

okay

[stoic needle]

That's boring

[mortal tartan]

im assuming it was true stealth so that would give you an extra master assassin proc if you had the legendary

[warm parcel]

those are all numerical

they have nothing to do with cool factor

[stoic needle]

It's cool to get your stealth passives used outside of stealth

[warm parcel]

but you are in stealth in vanish

[main forge]

Getting an extra vanish proc would surely help us with all the vanish powers in trogdorhast

[stoic needle]

Ending sepsis with an 80% extra damage garotte is cool even if it doesn't look cool

[warm parcel]

so to you more dmg is cool

[stoic needle]

Interacting with our class's talents and passives is cool

Flag could proc poisons with every lash

[main forge]

offers utility... silence, cheap shot, ambush. we could sap(LOL)....

[stoic needle]

That would be cool

[balmy condor]

flag proccing poisons with every lash

so like

just a buff to flag damage?

[stoic needle]

I'm just spitballing here

[balmy condor]

cause you're not applying flag to something without poisons

[stoic needle]

In general I just think it's a mistake to make covenant abilities not interact with any of our class features

[mortal tartan]

the necrolord ability could tether enemies together or something like that

slowing them or some shit idk literally anything better than what we have now

[warm parcel]

How exactly does divine toll interact with ret

[stoic needle]

I would be okay with non-flashy, even slightly awkward to use covenant abilities if they actually gave us some utility and nuance along with it

[warm parcel]

It gives them cp like ER gives rogues cp

Yet toll is one of the more liked spells

[balmy condor]

it does damage

[exotic sundial]

I think a solid buff to Mut would make Sin perfect. After the buff next Tuesday

[stoic needle]

Ct baseline

[exotic sundial]

And something done to SnD

[main forge]

I am not happy about the straight buff... Wish it was buffs to our abilities and

[exotic sundial]

Mut needs min a 25% buff

[main forge]

Yeah, SnD needs to go or needs something to happen

[exotic sundial]

Envenom is ok

[fallow solar]

I just want a badass bull whip sound effect with flag

[mortal tartan]

they need to make another one of sins abilitys refresh snd in some way

that would fix the awkwardness probably

[exotic sundial]

Like it use to

[main forge]

remove combo point compoent to it. or bring back cut to the chase....

[exotic sundial]

The passive

[main forge]

Cut to the chase it was...

[exotic sundial]

Ya make SnD cost energy

Or make it passive

[main forge]

Losing the Combo points is a big deal

[exotic sundial]

Or proc off even white swings

[stoic needle]

Just energy and no cp?

How would the duration be determined

[main forge]

flat duration like SoD or Shadowdance

[exotic sundial]

It would be baseline duration

[main forge]

or blade flurry

[exotic sundial]

Like lasts 15 secs

[stoic needle]

Either that or it should give us more of a damage buff like making our dots tick faster

SnD for sin is 40% haste instead of attack speed

[mortal tartan]

the duration could be lower than the cd of the spell then make it so spending cp increases the duration of snd

something like that maybe

[main forge]

something that makes dots tick faster... I feel like we have something in our talent tree about that...

[stoic needle]

exsang

should just become vein rippers

[exotic sundial]

Ya extinguishe

[mortal tartan]

i thought that doesn't increase the damage though

[stoic needle]

it doesn't but it gives us burst

[main forge]

Anyhow no disagreement about something needing to be done about SnD, I don't think anyone thinks its fine as is for Sin.

[balmy condor]

its really weird to me that sin is slow for an expansion and a half, then can't stop overcapping energy for 1 patch. Then it goes back to being faster than normal

and everyone now starts complaining about the pace

[stoic needle]

i dont have any complaints about the pace

[mortal tartan]

i just think the numbers are way too low

[exotic sundial]

Im loving sin in PvP so far

[main forge]

I am happy with the pace and the flow.

[knotty bear]

how

[exotic sundial]

But I’m more familiar with it then sub

[main forge]

must be a masochist

[exotic sundial]

I’ve been just doing Bgs lol. That’s how. It’s fun

[knotty bear]

nowhere near as much control and 0 dam

[exotic sundial]

I play for fun. It is a game after all

[mortal tartan]

punishment is fun to some people

[exotic sundial]

I was 3rd in dmg

Sitting at stables. 6-0. In a brawl. It was fun

[balmy condor]

if you're happy with the pace and the flow

then what

you just don't like pressing snd?

[exotic sundial]

Just not with SnD

[main forge]

I don't like it stealing my combo points to do more white damage >_>

[exotic sundial]

The dmg is fine just not bursty

[stoic needle]

i dislike sin being an autoattack spec

[balmy condor]

but people play outlaw and enjoy that

[mortal tartan]

i don't think it fits in the rotation very well

mainly multi target fights

[balmy condor]

outlaw is way more autoattack spec than sin

[main forge]

I rather get another envenom, rupture...

or CT

[exotic sundial]

Sub is all shadowdance or nothing. That’s boring to me

[rigid wyvern]

I think the spec becomes far too simple if you are only maintaining rupture

[stoic needle]

outlaw is fine

[balmy condor]

its already brain dead easy

[rigid wyvern]

like its not that complicated as it, but if our only finishers were rupture + envenom i might fall asleep

[stoic needle]

but i want sin to be bleeds and poisons first and foremost

[balmy condor]

people just don't like snd

[exotic sundial]

Survivability is the problem

[main forge]

Although it would be nice to have some sort of "chance" to add seconds on to SnD maybe not a full refresh like Cut to the Chase did, but say like 10 seconds or some sort of synergy

[stoic needle]

i would like SND to buff our bleeds and poisons more than just giving us energy to upkeep them

and more AAs for procs

[exotic sundial]

Haste will do that

Need 20% haste or so

[balmy condor]

like people see snd and they like the damage, but hate hitting the button

[exotic sundial]

Mut just needs a buff and SnD a rework and sin is fine

[balmy condor]

you want the benefits without having to press a button every 40 seconds

its mind boggling

[balmy condor]

no magic feelcraft numbers in the channel pls

[main forge]

honestly I just be happy with my combo points back

[exotic sundial]

It’s not a matter of hitting the button for SnD

[stoic needle]

If SnD boosted our dot tick rate instead of attack speed I wouldn't say a word about SnD

[exotic sundial]

In PvP for example games last 3 secs

[main forge]

I don't feel like other builder spender specs have something that is so lack luster

[stoic needle]

It just gives us a reward I'm not interested in it doesn't fit the class fantasy

[exotic sundial]

You need to rupture first then if you SnD that’s 2 rounds of CP for no dmg hardly

[balmy condor]

sub and law little have the same thing

[main forge]

Especially when Sub has Shadowdance and Symbols of Death that cost 0 combo points and feels good to hit them

[exotic sundial]

Then maybe get 1 envenom in before you have to rupture again

[balmy condor]

rupture and snd "no damage"

what the fk am I reading

[main forge]

Blade flurry costs 0 combo points... same with Roll the Bones

[balmy condor]

they have slice though

[exotic sundial]

In PvP ya lol

[balmy condor]

slice and rupture are our 2 highest dpet abilities

[mortal tartan]

they don't have to maintain atleast 3 different dots on multiple targets though

outlaw literally presses 1 button and continues their single target rotation for cleave

[main forge]

yeah but are they starving for combo points?

[frigid kestrel]

Ok sin channel getting juicy again I love all of the information that is wrong

[knotty bear]

if you dont like maintaining dots and buffs, why are you playing sin

[main forge]

I felt like i was starving for combo points as sin

[exotic sundial]

You guys know what PvP is right? Lol.

[balmy condor]

like every discussion here is just "snd bad, sin slow, ree"

[main forge]

point for point who gets more CP between all the specs?

[balmy condor]

recycled over and over and over

[exotic sundial]

Setting up rupture and SnD will take about 10 secs or so

[rigid wyvern]

wut

[balmy condor]

yeh but this isn't a pvp channel most of the time

[exotic sundial]

By that time other classes already have done 50k dmg

[frigid kestrel]

Same shit that was said months ago just resurfaced again 😂🤣😂

[strange jay]

Let's trade new Shiv/TB for HfB, ree?

[balmy condor]

so you're complaining a dot class doesn't burst

[exotic sundial]

I like Shiv

[rigid wyvern]

the pvp meta being based around burst doesnt mean sin should become a burst spec lol

[balmy condor]

bruh this channel never ceases to make me lose my mind

[rigid wyvern]

just wait for people to have more stam and arenas stop ending in 30s and sin will probably become more relevant

[exotic sundial]

I said up Mut by 25%. Lol. It hits for 500 in PvP.

That would make it 750. If that’s burst to you .....

[frigid kestrel]

Dude this is the only channel I actually understand enough to get the joy out of the complaints

I read sub and it’s all Spanish, but this shit..... OMG

[balmy condor]

who cares about pvp nonsense

[rigid wyvern]

Dude ive been playing sin in pvp, the strength of the class is in multi-doting

[balmy condor]

sin does fine for what it does

[knotty bear]

you hard swapping on reset whisp?

[exotic sundial]

I’m happy with it so far

And I only have 12% haste

[balmy condor]

I am going to try it, yes

190 zold being crafted tuesday

[knotty bear]

big

[rigid wyvern]

also doomblade for pvp is apparently a big help

[exotic sundial]

I have master assassin for now sadly

[rigid wyvern]

does exactly what you want in making mut/enevom stronger

[exotic sundial]

And torghast is hell so it will be a while

[balmy condor]

anyway back to the main topic, when I press snd I don't see big numbers flying across my screen, any fixes?

[rigid wyvern]

lmao

have you considered increasing the font size on your damage number addon?

[balmy condor]

genius

[royal lantern]

you have too play balance druid

[rigid wyvern]

guranteed big numbers

[main forge]

I thought the main topic was does the 8% buff make us good again?

[royal lantern]

i heared since it does big numbers, its fun

but i dont know

[main forge]

My balance druid just outputs big numbers all day

at 173 ilvl

[royal lantern]

i feel like when blizzard nerfs balance dmg the fun is gone

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