toxic tusk
How’s it going guys.
#assassination
vestal crest
Couple more buffs and sin will probs be pretty great, so many fights it seems like it'd be insane on if it wasn't tuned awfully
placid mulch
just need 5 more %
icy isle
anyone playing sin is arena last week?
quiet junco
So you can only pick one item from each row in great vault?
cyan wharf
i think you can only pick 1 period
quiet junco
I see ty
lime lintel
ye one item per week but u get more options the more shit u do
warm olive
my friend told me to do 4 m0s before i open vault tomorrow (EU), hes off now, does anyone know what he meant?
violet wasp
!bis
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median aurora
my friend told me to do 4 m0s before i open vault tomorrow (EU), hes off now, do...
the weekly quest is for x4 m0s which will give a heroic ilvl reward
warm olive
ok, so i guess just so i wont choose same slot i guess
median aurora
yea
warm olive
thx
lime lintel
the 5% buff hits tomorrow right (for EU) and hasn't already been applied?
median aurora
correct
lime lintel
Alright, nice 🙂
dusk wasp
balmy condor
zoldyck for an all-around
violet wasp
!guide
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drifting imp
can't wait to get out of bed tomorrow and embrace my new 5% dmg buff 
real bay
yea boy
somber thistle
it doesnt matter which enchant is on which weapon right?
i feel like it used to a long time ago
shy dust
it doesnt
somber thistle
ty
junior flicker
did the 5% make a difference?
balmy condor
no
junior flicker
figured, rip assassins
fossil slate
I did say I felt a buff in my bones Whispyr! Just didn't say how meaningful it would be 😋
balmy condor
5% was expected value
fossil slate
Well I'm still feeling it in my bones that it'll go up again at some stage, just to give you some peace of mind 
main forge
I saw a 7k envenom crit.... that was quite notiable
lost sentinel
it could take a long time for the damage to be on par
I would prob craft a sin legendary this week if the buff was enough
grim mason
Link some of those crazy loot some you guys got from your vault!
grim mason
ha i did a 2!
balmy condor
ye I only did a 12
fossil slate
Pugged up all of yesterday and today and could not squeeze past an 11 😒
fossil slate
I'm 195
calm verge
did assassination get the buff today?
balmy condor
yes
stoic needle
I got a 207 poxstorm cuz I only did a 7 smh
outer lodge
Any verdict on the Inscrutable Quantum Device trinket? Any good?
balmy condor
yes, its good
grim mason
was there ever a verdict that said nae to device being good?
sturdy void
how is the buff for the damage?
dim yacht
sturdy void
no I mean did it help any?
fleet whale
@grim mason in the early days of SL, people became ultra scared of the heal or mana restore part of it
but it turned out, that really doesn't happen that often, so the trinket is really good
btw is raidbots updated with the buff yet?
balmy condor
no
inland loom
How much is Sin currently giving in a SIM? - loathe Sub and meh on Outlaw, current sim im getting is ~3370 which is with ok gear not enchanted
If they havent fixed the 5% then that wouldnt be so bad?
balmy condor
High end sub players are breaking past 5k today with weekly stuff
inland loom
well shit that revives my hopes haha,
balmy condor
I think most people in sub are simming like 4400-4600
The non-omega-tryhards and such
knotty bear
I'm simming 4.4k on OL at 189 ilvl lols. Imagine my sin is around 3.7k 
balmy condor
I think I’m almost 4700 in sub, and uh... 3800? 3900? In sin
Havent simmed sin in a while
inland loom
haha not bad, ill take 1k dps drop if I can make my parse better and enjoy playing rogue again lol
balmy condor
Brave man
cold rampart
with the upcoming buffs is sub still stronger than us?
inland loom
Based on the information available, I would assume so
cold rampart
dam
main forge
!trinket
candid jasper
5% isn't really much 😦
main forge
Outlaw is still stronger than us
inland loom
definately isnt but then again if they arent nerfing the others, you cant have rogues in the top 10 with all 3 specs either
then again.... 
strange python
do we know if shadowcore oil is better than shaded weightstone?
balmy condor
Stones are slightly better
strange python
define slightly :p
1%?
overall
right now oil is about 3% overall damage for me
strange python
interesting ty
balmy condor
I’ve seen single oil pull ahead for some people here and there
Haven’t heard of Double oil being better for anyone
strange python
so the right setup is 1 weightstone+1oil?
balmy condor
Depending on person yeah
strange python
ty
balmy condor
But I would sim
random edge
is doomblade the best for pvp rihgt now?
spiral bough
!oh
prisma monolithBOT
Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.
random edge
Seems like it would be pretty "strong"
balmy condor
It’s either that or MA from what I’ve seen
random edge
so the mutilate bleed stacks from doomblade, does that increase the bleed dmg or just duration
icy helm
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echo gust
balmy condor
bad
balmy condor
yikes
strange python
It just refreshes the duration
so if we mutilate twice in a row we are missing part of the 30% right? Also does this new bleed proc our mastery?
spice marsh
Would sin pull ahead of sub in 2 target fights like houndsman where you can dot more than one target?
strange python
probably not because of the increased dmg on the adds
elfin tiger
strange python
so sub can just dance on the adds and get massive dps
elfin tiger
not last
balmy condor
so if we mutilate twice in a row we are missing part of the 30% right? Also does...
the bleed doesn't proc mastery as far as I know
strange python
!stats
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dire jackal
pikaboo gna play assass now
in arena
he crafted the leggo
if anyone wanna see some assass action by the man himself
hybrid crystal
he gonna regret
hybrid crystal
i like that optimism 
fleet whale
doomblade + WPS might have potential in pvp tbh
WPS shiv is actually stronger than BFA TB in pvp
loud mason
onyx coyote
Hope they do more for it they seemed ot just try to shvoe a bandaid on a gushing wound 😦
dark arrow
So what does everyone thing of the buff today? is it enough? will assassination be the strongest rogue spec?
frail fossil
bad, no & no
dark arrow
😭
balmy condor
there's pins
fallow otter
Ikr but bis starts socket ring
I think i need to trinket, the 226 ring sucks
That I got
placid mulch
So what does everyone thing of the buff today? is it enough? will assassination ...
needed like 10 or 15%
fallow otter
I think i need to go trinket
balmy condor
its always been like okay-ish
especially with higher ranks on lethal poisons, and zoldyck
night copper
i havent seen any sims, how is assassin parsing atm?
balmy condor
really bad
night copper
still? That's rough
primal terrace
Damn, I was hoping I can switch to it with the 5% buff 😭
steep badger
We all knew it needed 15% overall dmg , expected 10, watched it get 4.
balmy condor
15% would've been too much
fleet whale
i mean i guess it depends on what level you play at
steep badger
are ya suuure tho?
fleet whale
at heroic and below, you can play assassin
steep badger
I thought we did the math
balmy condor
we did do the math
steep badger
and it was still like 100 under
drifting cosmos
How come it sucks for sub
steep badger
dmg profiles
main forge
I'd like to see buffs that make Melee not our #1 damage tbh
steep badger
watch em say shadowstrike
I tried going back to sin like a week ago, made it through 3 m 0's and couldn't hold out any longer. It just feels weird to me now, not because been playing sub but just nothing even close to where it was w bp end of the last expac. something just feels absolutely wrong
faint harness
meanwhile preheat is crying on stream, saying they should buff fire/arcane by 10% and frost by 25% 
rogues = looking for every lil scrap they can get
fleet whale
I just ran a few low level M+s and did well enough as sin
usually number 1 or 2 over the whole dungeon
it's not great, but i held my own
steep badger
how did it feel tho
fleet whale
PB, CT feels kind of ass
stoic needle
What is the justification for making fok like that when Sub's shuriken storm gives cp based on enemies hit
Ct does feel kind of ass 
steep badger
I ran ct, and it indeed felt like ass
stoic needle
That should be a real ability we have
If sub gets premed why can't we have that
Especially if we don't have shadow dance
fleet whale
they wanted sub to be appealing to teenagers
steep badger
Yeah whisp, why not give fok the combo points per mob hit like shiruken storm
fleet whale
i don't really think that's necessary tbh with crit
stoic needle
I genuinely don't understand why they are different
faint harness
because you cant spam shuriken, like you can with FoK on enough targets
fleet whale
like that wasn't an issue in BFA
fleet whale
the issue with fok and sin aoe is just being too weak
stoic needle
What allows us to spam fok that sub doesn't have?
stoic needle
Where I feel energy starved constantly
fleet whale
yeah fok working like SS wouldn't really solve anything
faint harness
that scales with amount of targets
fleet whale
btw in bfa
stoic needle
Ah if you get lots of poisons up
fleet whale
sub rogues argued that seal fate should've been target capped with fok
faint harness
if you feel starved ur not bleeding enough targets
fleet whale
due to the two being similar
this whole arguement is only coming up
cause sin aoe is undertuned
stoic needle
Ye that's true
Currently it just feels like you put in more work for less reward in aoe
fleet whale
yeah, that is an issue with sin aoe
cause when it gets going it is really fun
for real though.. the rupture ambush thing should be a sin perk imo
make ambush more useful instead of just blindside procs
stoic needle
What cp rupture would it need to be to be balanced? Idk if 5 is
It would be awesome to apply rupture with ambush and blindside instead of manually, leave that to sub
fleet whale
just three, and only have it work from stealth/subter
really just to help the opener
stoic needle
Mm I see
proper iris
It would be awesome to apply rupture with ambush and blindside instead of manual...
Wtf
fleet whale
i don't think it would need to work with blindside
stoic needle
Not need, but it would be fun
fleet whale
just have it from stealth to make the opener get going faster
stoic needle
Tab ambush when you get a proc to multidot
fleet whale
i mean that would make blindside a bit more useful in cleave
but i don't think it would beat EP in cleave situations
stoic needle
Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me
fleet whale
btw the torghast power that heals you when you enter stealth and gives you a little damage boost for 5 secs
is amazing
one of my favorite powers
stoic needle
That one with MA is very fun
stoic needle
I would just like to see more interactivity between our abilities like sub has with find weakness and black powder
If you satisfy x condition, you get y reward
fleet whale
black powder was the most pointless ability addition in wow imo
stoic needle
It makes no sense in the context of Sub's kit, but the mechanics in the ability are kinda cool
Like imagine if you have rupture, garotte, shiv active, and hit that target with envenom and it procs red ink poison from torghast
fleet whale
i mean there is system shock the pvp talent
always loved that passive, sadly it's only pvp
toxic thunder
is this the new best rogue spec
stoic needle
Get out of here
In case you're serious, no it's absolutely not
Still probably one of the worst dps specs in the game if not the worst
fleet whale
still, if you are skilled and do lower level Mythics, and normal/heroic raid
you'll probably still do fine
people underestimate how much player skill means at those levels
stoic needle
It all depends on whether you're okay doing less dps than a tank or not
I'm not, so I'm playing OL
fleet whale
you should not be doing less dps than the tank as assassin, especially in the levels i just mentioned
stoic needle
Idk man prot paladins and vdh kinda pump on aoe in keys
fleet whale
there are a lot of mediocre/sub par tanks out there
not all players are created equal
bold ice
so, assassination buff verdict? still bad?
balmy condor
pins
inland garnet
Whats the best legendary for PvP? Doomblade?
kindred crag
I will say from a tank main that Plaguefall isn't fun
strange python
haha ya its hard as balls
i think the boss mechanics change a little bit at 5, haven't beat it yet, everyone just leaves
have to do like 4s now
violet wasp
!guide
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fleet whale
some dungeons are just easier than others
Necrotic wake can suck really bad in pugs too
fleet whale
boss mechanics don't change with higher levels in M+ btw
just mechanics hit... very very hard
strange python
ahh thought it changed, seemed like on lower level yuo just have to stand still during the slam thing
but peeps are running in circle and shit
i might be delirious
fleet whale
also i got duskwalker's today...
prolly won't be good though at any point this expansion
inland garnet
If i play PvP M+ and Raids what do i craft as a Assa Rogue (legendary)? Is there any Legendary thats atleast decent in all of them?
stoic needle
dude
balmy condor
zoldyck
stoic needle
sanguine depths this week is fucking impossible
torvald with storming...
dodge a whirlwind into a pool of bad shit from an add
inland garnet
How good is Zoldyck performing in PvP?
stoic needle
dodge out of that pool into the lasers
strange python
our big d druid gave it to me
stoic needle
should i go for one of the conquestrinkets or keep grinding plaguefall for flayedwing o.o
de other side seems a decent one to grind too with the totem and the cube thing
strange python
plaguefall is hell
okay back to the pit, i deadass got excited for the wrong trinket
stoic needle
lol which one did you get
I pretty much only do keys with my guild now unless it's super late
when you're doing them with competent players plaguefall isnt too bad
strange python
infinite ooze, the one that spawns a minion
only boosted my dps by 100
fml haha
oh well
gonna keep hittin it
stoic needle
only 100 XD
strange python
OL sub was like 4100 before the nerf
stoic needle
i'm simming just around 4k right now as OL
stoic needle
Should be interesting tosee what it's like after lvl 2 celerity
I'm using lvl 1 MA rn
strange python
ya
its the trinket pushing people over the edge
my ilevel is higher than both these guys
stoic needle
I got an anima decanter from a m0 depths week 1 and I haven't gotten a single trinket since smh
none in my vault either lol
strange python
haha ikr
i am not gonna be a no trinket andy this season
i was too lazy to grind nzoth last season haha
stoic needle
idk man like
there's trinkets in literally every dungeon
they just wont drop
i did like 15 M+ last week lol
inland garnet
Which slot do i craft Zoldyck?
stoic needle
pantaloons
strange python
haha
maybe i should just do lower m level, bottom guy only has a 171 trink
also wth is up with no gold in m+ chests
pseudo hamlet
strange python
oof
stoic needle
dont worry, all the callings are nothing but gold rofl
strange python
nice
stoic needle
man, i dont give a fuck what world first race team comps are
why are people upset that there are no rogues in the world first race? when 99.999999% of people reading that and getting upset about it won't be in a guild where it will matter?
strange python
did they release more content today or something?
stoic needle
mythic castle nathria world first race is going on rn
strange python
ahh mythic
pseudo hamlet
Tbh, I am not that mad or anything. It just shows that(especially) Assassination rogues are underperforming.
stoic needle
underperforming in what contexts tho
not any context you will ever be in(besides assa)
strange python
so are these 10 bosses really only for the first wing of the raid?
pseudo hamlet
In doing damage.
stoic needle
no it's the whole raid, just the race is for the mythic difficulty
strange python
oh what was the first wing thing?
stoic needle
that's what i'm saying though eazye. you will almost never be in any situation where rogue is "underperforming"
are you doing a world first race? if not you don't need to worry
pseudo hamlet
I said - Assassination.
stoic needle
I guess I'm speaking about a trend I'm seeing on the disc of people complaining about no rogues in the world first race
but yea assa is definitely under performing compared to the other rogue specs
pseudo hamlet
Swapped to subtlety and already(after 1 day) doing like ~20-25% more DPS, while not knowing what to do exactly.
Though I've been playing Assa since WoD.
stoic needle
yep. pretty much same here. swapped to outlaw and went from failing to time 5s to pumping and topping dps in 7+
strange python
ya i wasn't happy about switching off sin
my sin build is doing alright in pvp, just switched from sub last night
pseudo hamlet
I just don't like Subtlety spec, the CDs juggling feels odd.
pseudo hamlet
You switched to Assa in PvP?
strange python
mhm
master assassin kinda works like shourded suffocation
the crits give you cp
so you can get your dots down
doing like 40-80k ish dmg but really need that trinket
woeful wigeon
cant deside of the vaulth
neck got allot of haste but isnnt really big upgrade also the ring is small upgrade
pseudo hamlet
I was wondering about switching from Sub in PvP. Tried it... feels even worse than in PvE, no idea why.
stoic needle
I just don't like Subtlety spec, the CDs juggling feels odd.
I just can't stand how bad it feels to press any of your buttons without full CDs up. it just feels so bad
outlaw is more enjoyable to play even if i'm not super sold on the pirate thing lol
stoic needle
sub just feels so... inflexible
stoic needle
the OL opener with MA is fucking badass
strange python
i gotta try
pseudo hamlet
What does "OL" stands for?
stoic needle
outlaw
strange python
i only run out of stealth with OL haha
pseudo hamlet
OH, ok.
stoic needle
ambush > blade flurry > blade rush > vanish > ambush > BTE > MFD > dispatch
woeful wigeon
cann any of you check the link of raidbots
stoic needle
literally like 7-8k burst dps depending on the pull
strange python
ty ill try
woeful wigeon
help me pick
stoic needle
the blade flurry'd ambush is just too good
that ring seems pretty good especially considering how crit starved we are atm
strange python
the oppurunity pistol shot is really fun too
stoic needle
you generate CP so fast as OL i just don't even know what to do with them lol
and omg
when you RTB and get all the matches
stoic needle
yeah man venthyr outlaw is a fucking speed demon
you can get flag stacked up really nicely
strange python
6cp finnishers for days
stoic needle
i need to make a more visible weakaura for it though I keep missing it
stoic needle
no I just make custom ones
strange python
ty check it out after this run
stoic needle
i was gonna make some kind of red blood looking border to go around my action bars, that pulses faster and faster as the timer gets closer to 0
pseudo hamlet
Sim them?
digital flume
Why is assa so shit
digital flume
So dumb
pseudo hamlet
woeful wigeon
but still top4 of 20mann in raid @ end of fight lolz
strange python
screenshots or it didn't happen
digital flume
^^
balmy condor
top 4 in lfr?
woeful wigeon
i will send you after tonight raid
strange python
maybe if everyone was 2.0 dmg
woeful wigeon
nope just noRMAL HAHA
pseudo hamlet
You know that old raids with low-levels doesn't count? 
digital flume
Isn't it the worst Simming raid spec
woeful wigeon
still if you know your class and play it decently well and you have a braid dead uberfed other class but he cant play it still make a diffrence
pseudo hamlet
Yeah, a middle-class sportsmen also performs well in the paralympic.
balmy condor
bet a blue parsing sin rogue would beat a sub 10 parsing boomy?
strange python
we're all still pretty salty about it
balmy condor
how grey does the boomy parse need to be for sin to win
strange python
just fyi
balmy condor
any bets
strange python
haha yaa when peeps are doing 5k barely pulling 2-3 isn't a good luck
inland garnet
Can i put Haste and Versa on my Zoldyck? Or is it better to put crit even if i play PvP?
Haste Crit*
inland garnet
Ah okay
inland garnet
If Master=Vers wouldnt Vers be better with Trinkets?
inland garnet
Allright thank you very much
pseudo hamlet
!stats
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strange python
haha this trink sucks, got like 2 procs in that entire dungeon
hazy yarrow
calm dome
Is there any chance we get an other buff or some changes for sin before 9.1 ?
Whispyr ?
crimson palm
🔮
hazy yarrow
Got kicked from a group in Torghast 
calm dome
😐
balmy condor
probably not
calm dome
Dont know what do you .
Played half day Sub . Burst is good , out of this windows it feels blant.
Played OL the other half . Good energy regen , Nice aoe / cleaves but not sure how to use these pistols and the roll.. bit different than Combat from back in the days .
Got my Doomblade on gloves sonce day one .
Currently having 2k+ ash and not sure which lego for which spec I am going to craft ..
Ilvl 196
strange python
OL is actually a lot harder than people think
you're playing a piano and you have to nail everything to get high dps
vestal wren
the high apm phases can rly cause issues
mystic wraith
@vestal wren I have the Master Assassin legendary, I am quite confused whether I should open with Garotte or Ambush. If I open with Garrote does that mean that every tick of Garotte is crit? And after opening, should I rupture or Envenom or Start my SnD?
balmy condor
there is no crit snapshot
mystic wraith
Based on sims, it seems garrote and SnD has bigger priority
balmy condor
MA only affects those 4 seconds
mystic wraith
If crit doesn’t snapshot shouldn’t we just Envenom away?
balmy condor
I considered it, but the downtime you lose from rup/snd is worth more than guaranteeing a crit on 1 envenom
mystic wraith
Basically ambush, mut, env, ambush?
balmy condor
you don't ambush without blindside
mystic wraith
Nice input thanks @balmy condor
Now if I have all SnD, Gar, Rupt on Boss, when I Vanish do I Garrote (Subterfuge) then mut then envenom?
balmy condor
yes
balmy condor
no
strange python
why
balmy condor
you don't ambush from stealth
strange python
with subterfuge
balmy condor
yes
balmy condor
only time you ambush on sin atm is with a blindside proc
balmy condor
4 sounds real weird
mystic wraith
4 ambushes maybe good for PvP
strange python
3
stoic needle
you should be muting instead no?
mystic wraith
1 mut 4 combo with Master assassin legendary
balmy condor
even without, you don't ambush
woeful wigeon
if you use dashing scoundrel lefo shud we no go mastery after haste ? go with master poisener instead of blindsight
balmy condor
we didn't ambush in prepatch in pve either
blindside wasn't viable back then either
so you literally just didn't bind it
strange python
haha nah i was using it as an opener
strange python
dont see why youo wouldnt use to build cp in pve
balmy condor
the reasoning behind ambush vs mut is really complicated tbh
balmy condor
some stuff to consider is the opportunity gain from a blindside proc off of the mut, and the additional combo point
strange python
oh, cuz rn i can cheapshot then ambush and have full cp
but i can see how the other way can hit more often
deff better for pvp i bet
and another plaguefall wipe
well im hiding right here
gleaming eagle
mut for more combo points
unless its pvp
and you see them under 10% hp
then ambush
@strange python
quaint dragon
Why do i sim the same amount of dps after buffs?
lapis osprey
Are we back to sin now? 
lapis osprey
Ty
balmy condor
Why do i sim the same amount of dps after buffs?
you definitely should sim higher
I'm resimming the bis list atm, and seeing gains of about 300 there
outer lodge
5% of dogshit is still dogshit
balmy condor
would assume you can find maybe 150-200 pretty easily
outer lodge
!bis
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thorn crater
guys im on the official hotfixes but there is no mention of sin buff am i missing something?
balmy condor
not a hotfix
strange python
cache of nathrian tresures was p sweet
got a 213 ammy
or neck i mean
dunno what i even did, was just a random quest in front of vault from that guy
strange python
wooww then i must have failed plaguefall like 5 times today
vocal cloud
216 dagger lets gooo
celest heart
does consuming the anima charged combo point cause poison bomb to have a 8% extra chance to proc?
balmy condor
yes
celest heart
awesome thanks
errant delta
hay guys sub chats dead any idea on useing skulkers wing and quantem as sub?
amber plinth
how well does necro ability fit sin?
stable urchin
wtf my sin doing 4k dps 😮
plain onyx
I somehow managed to reach 3.8k lol
marsh horizon
Sin is decent now with the 5%buff or still not worth it?
dry atlas
Still bottom
marsh horizon
😫
dense cedar
Just play Feral 😎
sick scarab
i am struggling wioht haste gear ffs
marsh horizon
Nah doing outlaw atm... enjoying it but sin ive always like st in raids
ornate lake
!stats
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vocal cloud
mad respect
sick scarab
jesus i belived for 10 min..
but ffs.. BLIZZ DO SOMETHING at least at energy regen.. it is almost no playable..
sick scarab
the really BAD thing about assa is the energy.. i can live iwht low dmg i mean sometimes we are OP sometimes dont.. but let me play the char.. atm is unbelivable BAD.. you starving energy before endig opener almost
garrote mut(ambush) carrote rupt, mut snd, vendetta
it take AGES
if i chose to go SND early wiht max combo point i dealy too much dots..
i really dunno wtf
i am sad LOL
strange python
haha ikr, energy starved before you even get your dots off
its awkward af
especially bad for pve
with pvp you can kinda play around your downtime with MA+ambush to build quick cp for your dots
but that shit sucks for pve
sick scarab
yep
i do pve .. pvp bored me to death since tbc so
this situation make me want to quit after alll these years LOL i mean.. ffs make it playable at least fucking blizzard morons..
i wonder IF they even play some classes ..
it is nor hard to see
just give assa snd passive
like sub
strange python
ikr
sick scarab
we save some cp
strange python
a lot of us lifer sins are having fun with outlaw for now
nice change of pace, still pissed hto
sick scarab
i went sub
but i cry a river.. it feel so bad.. i mean
ffs shadow dance spam spam spam
aa aa aa aa
strange python
i blame the crybabies playing warmode without trinket to break stun
they just fucked sub
i mean
open mist
how is asa performing now with the dmg buff and the subt nerf?
sick scarab
crap
pearl surge
I saw a minor uptick on Assassination damage today, but I'm a filthy casual. It's still below Outlaw on dungeon/torg runs though
If they doubled our DoT damage I'd have hope
open mist
im starting to hate SL and having regrets of wasting 40€ on this trash shit
outlaw better than subt in PVE
and subt beeing shit in pvp now overnerfed
gg
doomed to play boring specs, outlaw in pve assa in pve
strange python
outlaw has a real high skill cieling
give it a shot before you quit
they chagned it a lot
pearl surge
I want assassin to be good, no lie. IMO it's the spec that feels th emost rogue-ish
strange python
right there wity ya
pearl surge
Plus, my mog is screaming 'poison'
pearl surge
Go check out the mogs channel for mine
strange python
k sec doing djungeon
grizzled panther
anyone here necro lord sin rogues?
because if so im contemplating play that. wasnt sure if it was fun or even competitive.
strange python
ugh thse mobs are hitting for like 25k at the last plague boss
spice spire
Every covenant is within 3% of each other, it seemed very fun leveling, the pins have it last but iirc at 213 sims have it above venthyr
honest lake
How is doing assassination with the meh buff?
strange python
horrible pve, maybe passable with god teir gear for pvp
smoky mantle
:S
spice spire
grizzled panther
tbh tho i like to rely on what i like to play. i mean i main a havoc dh and they are 4th from the bottom. only 3 spots higher than this spec. and i do just fine in raids. actually more dps than most specs. so if you really want to min max, then fine do ya thing, but when it comes down to it. play it because you dont give a dam about what everyone else says.
strange python
garrote mut(ambush) carrote rupt, mut snd, vendetta
My opener is Gar -> Amb -> Snd -> Mut -> Rup and then Vendetta
This is also why I mostly use MA leggo for almost everything (Gar+Ambush is 4CP SnD and the next Mut is 4 CP- followed by Rup)
just faster ramp and better energy
spice spire
Exactly. Now if it were minimal enjoyment gain for a mountain of dps, that’d be one thing, but I picked venthyr myself, so you don’t have to preach to me lol
pearl surge
@grizzled panther - I'm Necro, yeh, and I flip specs a lot currently but have tried Sin. It's a good covenant, IMO. Fleshcraft will save you a lot and SBS is awesome
spice spire
Garrote > Mut > SnD > Mut > Rupture is the usual opener I use for the MA legendary. It gets more murky when I use Zoldyck’s and I end up needing another Mut 99/100 times
gleaming eagle
my poison and bleed was hitting for 1.5k crit per tick
in pvp
lol
with zoldyck
strange python
ya im fifth highest geared rogue on my server and i can kind of make it work
doing like 40=80k dmg
in arena
still broken af tho
5% my ass
pearl surge
Well, on the positive side, this 5% may be them bumping it up a bit to see where we are, then add more next round
Instead of overdoing it then re-nerfing
deft patio
what is the best leggo for raid atm?
spice spire
Tl;dr best pure ST is dashing scoundrel, best all around is Zoldyck’s with MA being fine
deft patio
okei
vocal umbra
night fae its better now for assa since kyrian is nerfer ?
strange python
I honestly prefer MA for everything except raid
faster ramp = better energy and higher damage on packs
vocal umbra
the vanish one is good too, you can use 2 kidneys
strange python
ya the MA helps a ton since we lost shrouded suffocation
but that's only for pvp - MA is great for m+, world content ect
also if you gar -> ambush -> cheap shot -> rupture -> (vendetta) kyrian/mut -> mut - kidney -> mut-> toxic blade -> envenom - you can then vanish and all the dots on the target will be criting since you MA will be active
fuckk plaguefall 5-6 is damn near impossible to time
im giving up and doing 2-3s for now
still a nice dmg boost
oh ya m2 is 187 ilevel thats good enough until they tweak her
cold rampart
dashing or zoldyck?
cold rampart
kyrian or nightfae
strange python
I have MA + Kyrian
balmy condor
We have a lot of viable legendaries and every covenant is viable
Doomblade is also good single target
Ma is okay in dungeons
primal zinc
!bis
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silk crest
!bis
prisma monolithBOT
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calm dome
For M+ .
Doomblade or Zoldyck ?
drifting imp
We have a lot of viable legendaries and every covenant is viable
if we only could do dmg
calm dome
@balmy condor Thanks
balmy condor
Np
calm dome
Whispyr how can show you my character and you can tell me what to improve ?
cold rampart
!FUU
prisma monolithBOT
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cold rampart
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fHdQjMhkXWB41vULyC7WRk
MA and blindside
balmy condor
Subterfuge is fine
And preferred on a lot of bosses
But if you’re going for big sim
Yeah, blindside, ma
And I think those shoulders are an up
Far travelers
I didn’t sim it though, would double check
silk crest
master assassin is a better option?
calm dome
balmy stump
Depends how many targets probably
balmy condor
master assassin is a better option?
A better option for what
calm dome
@balmy condor is anything obviously wrong in my current character ?
balmy condor
Nah
calm dome
that I should improve
icy isle
forgive my rudeness but who are you Whispyr? Im new to the forum but you seem to know a lot
balmy condor
I’m the bookworm
calm dome
A kind and patient person , with a lot of knowledges who will support the Sin commuties even if its the worst spec at the moment
icy isle
Ah I see, that explains it! Then let´s hope that sin will get stronger over Christmas!
balmy condor
But basically I’m the guy that helped out a ton during 8.3 with random stuff
There were a lot of unanswered questions
So I made this channel my home
And then I’ve been here ever since
icy isle
was that during corruption?
icy isle
Cool, thats nice of u lo
mellow compass
How’s the buff lookin for assa guys?
icy isle
Yea saw that, you are mostly into PvE BiS right? Not much into PvP?
balmy condor
Buff isn’t good enough
mellow compass
Is it better ST than sub?
balmy condor
I don’t pvp at all
mellow compass
For pve I mean
balmy condor
Definitely not
mellow compass
Cool.
balmy condor
After the buff we’re still 10% ish behind in sims
violet yacht
it's not better anything than anything
mellow compass
Sadge but cool
mellow compass
After the buff we’re still 10% ish behind in sims
That’s about same as outlaw
For ST
Right?
balmy condor
Outlaws closer
icy isle
If sin was buffed by an additional 10% it would be a real contender in pvp too
balmy condor
10% and it would be the go to raid spec again pretty easily
That’s why me and seli want another 5-7%, somewhere in there
icy isle
sub has a strange gameplay loop in pve haha
violet yacht
yea not a fan
icy isle
so many would switch to sin coz of better gameplay loop if damage was about equal
balmy condor
Well even with being behind by 5% in sims
icy isle
its strange that fan doesnt generate max combo point per attack like shuriken, if lots of mobs
balmy condor
The forgiving nature of it, paired with the increase in execute
Would be pretty strong
icy isle
we didnt have SnD last exp right? It feels strange to use and it wasnt on my actionbar hmm
balmy condor
Nope
violet yacht
yeah
balmy condor
No snd last expec
icy isle
feels like I would need an addon at this point to track all the uptimes
stoic needle
What does pvp have to do with it lol
balmy condor
Idk
icy isle
u feel more skilled and better of course
jokes aside, nothing, just I feel like its in the way / clutter
stoic needle
The default ui is very poorly designed
The positioning of the unitframes, action bars, buffs and debuffs is really bad
Your eyes have to travel to all 4 corners of the screen to see what's going on at any given moment, that's really bad if you have a large monitor
balmy condor
How sweaty do you have to be to spend time diagraming out a disaster like that
ionic hemlock
lmao
balmy condor
Also is that a fucking threat meter
In the bottom right
Lmao
Haven’t seen one of those since like cata
stoic needle
The screen shot is literally from cata lol
icy isle
Maybe in 2008
oh haha yea u are right, thought it was another dmg meter
icy isle
by biggest problem is the quest log is clutter and the chat box have so many borders and icons around it
stoic needle
A solid 80% of that ui is unnecessary
There is zero reason to have all elements of your ui visible when they aren't needed
stoic needle
I have the micro menu set to hide by default but show up when I mouse over it and put it under my minimap
So I can just click to access any of the menu functions including the guild menu and calendar
balmy condor
I click on my clock to open my calendar
stoic needle
I have all the action bars hidden except for the ones I use to monitor some CDs
balmy condor
But I only do it on accident cause I never actually mean to open the calendar
ionic hemlock
my awesome ui
icy isle
ugh the normal ui feelsbad now compared to what was shown earlier haha
alpine nymph
Anyone know if raidbots accounts for the leggo damage, i'm getting Zoldyck simming higher than Dashing Scoundrel but bloodmallet looks to be significantly more damage? Perhaps i'm reading it wrong.
balmy condor
Raidbots sims all legendaries accurately
Trinkets have a low chance to be a little weird
But those are all implemented as well
alpine nymph
Alright, np's appreciate it. Just strange that it simming higher on patchwork
balmy condor
I agree
gray fjord
Trinkets have a low chance to be a little weird
The one that has been bothering me on that is the fact Skulker's Wing sims lower than Dreadfire even though it does more damage on the same cooldown. 🤔 And there is only like a 5 agility stat difference between the two
calm dome
!wa
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Assassination WA's:
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stone epoch
I could be wrong but going off the feel of it, it seems pretty instant
gray fjord
maybe when u become the pouncy boy its a big dps loss <@!117802493454450697>
Yeah I dunno, I just always found it interesting that the skulky is higher hitting, at a lower item level, yet sims lower. xD
gray fjord
I’ll look at it when I get out of bed
BED? SLEEP?!? YOU CF YOU ANSWER QUESTION
gray fjord
balmy condor
:)
celest bolt
ty
pure ingot
Anyone knows if Earsplitting Shriek is fully cloakable or u still spawn the Ichor pools?
bitter crow
you spawn pools
pure ingot
you spawn pools
Thx
jagged elk
council and sludgefist on mythic could get interesting for sin rogues?
restive raft
viscid bobcat
which legendaries are you guys using for pvp?
cursive cipher
which legendaries are you guys using for pvp?
Same Question. I struggle craft doomblade or Zoldyck
viscid bobcat
Same Question. I struggle craft doomblade or Zoldyck
i got doomblade rn but dont have anything to compare it to so idk how good it is
cursive cipher
Sadly not much pvp sins out there 😫
viscid bobcat
true
novel arrow
mortal scaffold
im a pvp sin. im using zoldyck but im thinking of switching to doomblade
too bad torghast is a chore right now
I think doomblade is ultimately the wiser choice but Zoldyck isn't bad, I guess
mortal scaffold
I figure while zoldyck is nice for ensuring a kill, my mage is going to be doing most of the damage anyway
and doomblade provides better consistent pressure
fleet whale
doomblade gives you chunkier envenoms
viscid bobcat
im also night fae so if i use bleed conduit i lose the nature damage one for sepsis D:
fleet whale
what is the bleed conduit
viscid bobcat
the one that increases bleed damage
fleet whale
there isn't a conduit that increases bleed damage for sin
maim mangle makes your mut deal more damage with garrote up, closest bleed conduit we have
mortal scaffold
i feel like that conduit would more more attractive with doomblade
since it takes 30% of your mut damage
fleet whale
idk, for pvp doomblade, well placed steel seems like a better play
you want those chunky envenoms in this faster meta
mortal scaffold
too bad theres no way to get ash from my current legendary and torghast is currently impossible
fleet whale
how is torghast currently impossible
mortal scaffold
sin bolts for 7k without a CD
fleet whale
you can do lower levels and still get ash
you don't have to do the highest level every week lol
cursive cipher
I also think that the advantage of doomblade is that you constantly benefit from it. With zoldyck only under 30% life points.
On the other hand, Zoldyck is worthwhile because it brings an advantage in all areas. Say in the Raid, M+, Torghast
mortal scaffold
Sure, I get much less ash and extend my wait by another week
Although based on anecdote even lower level ones aren't particularly doable
fleet whale
then join a group for torghast
mortal scaffold
That's what I'm going to be forced to do
as the lowest DPS spec in the game right now
🤒
fleet whale
and define lower, since i just soloed level 5 fractured halls
with mediocre powers and just at 181 ilvl and no deaths
mortal scaffold
I've read people struggling with 4s
I won't know until I try it myself, though
I tried last night and it wasn't doable
at around level 6? 7? I don't remember
calm dome
Shall I go for Doomblade lvl 2 or Zoldick lvl 2 ?
I do pvp / arena / m+ and normal raid . Kind of everything
Already got Lvl 1 Doomblade on gloves . Dont know if I upgrade it or if I craft the lvl 2 legs for Zoldick
balmy condor
If you do everything, go zoldyck
calm dome
alright , and then , switch to master poisoning instead of EP ?
quiet junco
I went zold and I have no issue soloing tor, although I haven't had time to try a 7 yet
balmy condor
Master poisoner is only sorta viable in aoe maybe
calm dome
I dont really use ambush and blindside to be honest
balmy condor
It’s the worst talent single target
spice spire
The jump from 6-7 sucks ngl. Maybe I got bad perks? But I got to second boss wnd just got stomped
deft sparrow
hi guys, on th zoldyck legendary, u put two haste missives? Or 1 haste and 1 crit?
balmy condor
hi guys, on th zoldyck legendary, u put two haste missives? Or 1 haste and 1 cri...
Can’t double haste, go haste/crit or haste/vers
old storm
isn't crit vers bis?
calm dome
haste by any means
deft sparrow
since when is vers prio?
calm dome
haste - crit or vers
quiet junco
My stat weights are haste and crit atm
balmy condor
Vers has been good ever since slice
calm dome
thats should be good
balmy condor
isn't crit vers bis?
Wrong channel :P we’re the dead boys here
old storm
oh shit
deft sparrow
u guys use slice and dice in ur rotation? ;D
pseudo hamlet
We don't, that's the reason why our logs are bad 😦
deft sparrow
u keep Slice n D up all the time?
calm dome
u guys use slice and dice in ur rotation? ;D
slice and dice is MANDATORY
pseudo hamlet
(its most mandatory thing!)
balmy condor
Yeah a little bit troll xD
deft sparrow
never found "time" to put it in my rotation, feels so unsmooth
calm dome
dont you feel slow without Slice and dice
balmy condor
Should have like a 99% uptime on slice in raids
deft sparrow
i always feel slow 😉
calm dome
Hahaha
deft sparrow
its hard to keep up garrote, rupture and slice and dice the whole time
spice spire
Imagine trolling with the worst spec then not even maintaining the best buff
deft sparrow
i reallythought ruptere was above SnD
spice spire
Damn, that’s 100% me
deft sparrow
hahaha
deft sparrow
got it
balmy condor
It’s really not that bad
Rupture and slice are finishers, garrote is a generator
So they don’t even clash that much
You got to spend 4cp on rupture every ~20 seconds, and 4cp on slice every ~40 seconds
spice spire
It’s really just a feels bad for less envenoms. But I’ve not minded SnD at all
deft sparrow
what about in M+ when im spamming FoK most of the time? Seems that SnD on a big pack of AOE mobs loses value, correct?
deft sparrow
ty
deft vault
What legendary we going for in pvp?
deft sparrow
will check out ravenholdt in more detail 2
balmy condor
What legendary we going for in pvp?
Doomblade or MA from what I hear
storm forum
hello friends did the +5% help us?
balmy condor
Pins
storm forum
🙃
gray fjord
real bay
needs 5% more minimum