assassination

[sacred yarrow]

I didn't play sub since zul

Sin was fun with corruption

[ember rover]

Nobody did

[sacred yarrow]

Boring af without

Warlocks mages hunters * I'd unite vs those 3

[olive latch]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[delicate bone]

im with the warlock and dh, dont have many issues with much else lol

[ember rover]

Shadowpriests?

The spec that limited design encounter for the entire expac?

[royal lantern]

turns out

endless scaling with enemy count

can be problematic

[ember rover]

Ye shadowpriest is literally ranged bleed assa

Gets benefit from all their dots

[royal lantern]

well except

[ember rover]

While not having to fucking walk to all the targets

[thin gate]

ladies and gentleman

[royal lantern]

that sin stops gaining benefits at some point

[thin gate]

does any1 have a guide for me?

[royal lantern]

cus you cant spend that much energy

[ember rover]

Ye and that

[royal lantern]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[royal lantern]

there you go^^

[thin gate]

god bless you

[royal lantern]

and that multidotting as sin is MUCH slowers cus you always need too generate cp first

[ember rover]

Still hurts my soul when I got relegated to Outlaw and killing spree for the bubbles on ashvane

[royal lantern]

and not warlock/spriest/druid like"lel ranged instant cast"

[ember rover]

Just so that spriest can " DO MORE DPS "

[royal lantern]

"laughs in sin on that fight"

just ignored the bubbles

[ember rover]

I was sin main

[royal lantern]

[ember rover]

But they forced me to outlaw

[royal lantern]

eh,we had 2 dhs

bubbles where no problem

and they could jerk off too SEE HOW MUCH DMG I DO WITH EYEBEAM???

win win for everyone

[ember rover]

First week they kind of were

At least for my shitty guild

[thin gate]

is backstab always better than multilate?

[ember rover]

The what?

You never cast backstab as Assa

[inner leaf]

Hey guys thinking of switching to rogue for next xpac how are you guys looking so far for SL

[strange python]

Play sub

But atm all meles are in a bad spot

but then its only pre-patch, sl will be different

Why are melees in a bad spot

[delicate bone]

theyre always "in a bad spot" take those comments with a grain of salt tbh

[errant hull]

play sub while you can, they're gonna get hit by a nerf bat soon i hope

[delicate bone]

theyre nothing to rave about

[nocturne dagger]

question, where are we fitting SnD in our rotation?

[sick scarab]

garrote, rupt, garrote mutilate snd vendetta etc i suppose

or garrote garrote rupture vendetta mut mut snd

dunnno 🙂

[nocturne dagger]

so basically after subterfuge opener>mut until 4-5 cp>SnD?

[sick scarab]

y

[nocturne dagger]

oh im not sure thats why i was asking

🙂

[stiff tapir]

If you have 3 shrouded suffocation for m+ let’s say... I think you prioritize 3 god tier garrote then SND maybe?

[wary ice]

in m+ You should snd after pulls

sin is the only e/cp class that doesnt care if its at max cp going into the next pull cause garrote will always overcap CP no matter what w/ 3xss

and SnD is a not-CT/Rupture/envenom uptime for actually doing damage in aoe

[nocturne dagger]

ok, that makes sense, ty

[balmy condor]

It should still be maintained

[lapis jungle]

Is the sims statweights really accurate atm? They seem so off

[balmy condor]

Stat weights are accurate, but you have to know what you’re using them for

What seems weird to you

[lapis jungle]

That I should opt for haste/vers instead of crit/mastery

[balmy condor]

Vers/crit actually

Surprising that haste is higher

[lapis jungle]

my haste says 2.71 for example. While crit is 1.95

[balmy condor]

Are you in a full crit set without haste for m+ or something

[lapis jungle]

well im using the best i've got in my bags. So not really

[balmy condor]

Can you link it?

[lapis jungle]

Sure give me a sec

you mean this one right? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7DqTA56SDQSzBkRS4wohP9

[balmy condor]

Aha, being undergeared probably skews it a little

[lapis jungle]

Yeah I thought so too. Kinda just started on this one to prepare for SL. But they felt so off comparing to my mains sims

[balmy condor]

also iris major doesn't get used single target

[lapis jungle]

Myea I don't really have anything else rn

so im using that one for m+

[balmy condor]

yeh

crucible and breath major

both not too bad tbh

[lapis jungle]

So u would suggest swapping overall? and put in maybe CaS as a minor instead?

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/Fp7fPjpCJVrCxvsaWAfsU

that's what it seems like yep

memory rank 1 kinda succ

in m+ you should run the beam major though

breath is a pain and usually not much better

[lapis jungle]

Getting rank2 memory tomorrow. But doesnt that just increase healing?

[balmy condor]

rank 3 gives versatility on proc

which is pretty good

[lapis jungle]

Oh yeah right. Quite some days away from rank 3 though

[balmy condor]

yeah I know

wouldn't worry about it too much tbh

if most of your content is m+, just equip all the SS traits, run iris major, and you'll be fine

[lapis jungle]

Was thinking about getting WR as a major or something for ST atleast

[balmy condor]

you mean WV?

WV is okay

[lapis jungle]

yea

[balmy condor]

but until you get WV maxed, probably will want to stick to breath/crucible major

[lapis jungle]

Just doing some random hcpugs on the rogue atm either way. So it doesnt really matter in raids. Mostly focusing on m+ atm

So i'll probably stick with beam then

But since its tyrannical I was trying to opt for some more ST though

[balmy condor]

yeah honestly after the prepatch I'm not sure how worth that is

bosses are actually quite squishy in comparison

[lapis jungle]

myeah true

Whats the reason for swapping enchants on the weapons btw? Wouldnt force be better in mh?

[balmy condor]

oh that's just my sim's setup

what hand the enchants are on doesn't matter at all

[olive latch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[lapis jungle]

Oh alright. I thought it was something about procrate or something

[balmy condor]

nah

it's all the same

I just have it setup at gale/force, so any sim I run with be gale/force

[surreal solar]

how far behind on ST is Subt from MA?

[balmy condor]

Depends on azerite

Ma sims higher without SS

They’re pretty close

But with SS, it’s a couple % iirc

[surreal solar]

so... SL is going to be MA preferred >.<

since SS is going away

[balmy condor]

Yes

And that’s reflected in the pins as well

[surreal solar]

Yeah, I was just hoping the gap would be small, rather than "Must Take, Can only take"

[balmy condor]

Yeah, idk

It’s definitely worse

[tropic ocean]

@ember rover yeah super fun

servers def. not lagging

[fleet whale]

MA with low crit levels is gonna be so exciting

[tropic ocean]

imagine other class green logging

doing same dps than u

and u do 97%

XD

[fleet whale]

reminds me of coven where blue logging affliction locks

[tropic ocean]

yeah big true

[fleet whale]

were about orange level parse for sin

[tropic ocean]

blizz has a hard time balancing fights vs lock and priest

spread cleave

[fleet whale]

stuff is all over the place this pre-patch, like frost dks get two of their best dps perks when leveling in SL

so right now they are really bad

while spriest and bm still keep their crazy azerite interactions

[tropic ocean]

spriest is insane

doublin dps of others

XD

[delicate bone]

if youre trying to "push content" in prepatch, youre going to have a lot to complain about imo

just level new toons or wait until SL

[tropic ocean]

push ?

[pliant apex]

any weak aura i shouild get for assa post pre patch?

[balmy condor]

just a snd wa

everything else is normal

[hearty breach]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gray fjord]

That Well-Placed Steel buff, though

o:

[balmy condor]

yeah but lethal poison got put into the ground

[gray fjord]

Yeah I saw. >.>;

[grizzled jay]

it just gets replaced by WPS

but now we suck again in AoE

lol

[balmy condor]

I doubt 24% extra on shiv makes up for it

[grizzled jay]

Deeper Daggers just got gutted too

[balmy condor]

ye

[surreal solar]

Shiv buff, Maim Mangle still strong

[grizzled jay]

MM is not still strong lol

37% nerf at max rank

[surreal solar]

feels bad they just gutter balled lethal

[balmy condor]

mm got nerfed quite a bit

[surreal solar]

MM is still better than Lethal

[grizzled jay]

Doubtful

[surreal solar]

and as far as ST is concerned, pretty sure Katar is meh

[grizzled jay]

Katar chance is very weird

The damage of FoK is not on itself, its on the poison proc. Having increased poison proc chance was healthy I think.

Having more crit on FoK is dumb, we don't want CP funnel like Sub

[normal olive]

Rip Sepsis

[fleet whale]

so Tiny Toxic blade meta?

[surreal solar]

sepsis isn't dead? It just no longer does the "reset the target if you don't fight in groups" mess anymore

[marble hemlock]

katar change is really good

[balmy condor]

it doesn't grant stealth effects anymore

[normal olive]

you no longer get stealth

[marble hemlock]

dunno what you all on about

[balmy condor]

I think katar change is good too

[marble hemlock]

with 8t capped fok, you want much much higher crit to get consistent 4+ CP per fok

and you need that high cp gen

if you wanna sustain energy and maintain CT and maintain envenom

[surreal solar]

OH STEALTH ABILITY
FUCKIN GARBAGE

[balmy condor]

free ambush

you like ambush right

[gray fjord]

Yeah it's literally ability. Oof.

[balmy condor]

ambush is cool

[normal olive]

[gray fjord]

But Blindside meta op?!

Yeah that sepsis nerf, jeeze..

[marble hemlock]

not a free ambush anymore

[surreal solar]

so... they really really want ER

[marble hemlock]

since it now costs energy

as well

[fleet whale]

sepsis only allows one stealth ability now

[marble hemlock]

so they nerfed cd reduction, gave it an energy cost, and nerfed the stealth-mechanic around it

[surreal solar]

Beheads Rogue

[marble hemlock]

and you dont actually gain stealth... thats pretty bad baseline imo

maybe if the conduit gave more uses of a stealth ability or smth

[normal olive]

And it was the only one i liked

[fleet whale]

looks like i might be going DK in SL

[marble hemlock]

every couple of ranks

[normal olive]

[fleet whale]

cause sub got nerfed too

[normal olive]

Time to lvl my Enh shaman

[balmy condor]

flag buff though

we're back to venthyr looks like

[fleet whale]

isn't the haste capped now at 15% for flag

what got buffed on it, can't tell with these tooltips

[balmy condor]

yeah but the lashes got buffed

[fleet whale]

oh

[balmy condor]

and the conduit got omega buffed

[surreal solar]

dmg got buffed, and the conduit also dmg buffed

[fleet whale]

hmm seems nice

Er also got a little nerf too

initial hit was nerfed

and only grants 2 CPs(though this could be a good thing?)

[gray fjord]

Would make it much more likely to hit the 2-4 range if it only gives 2, yeah.

Giving 3 meant you were already at a 66% chance of it being feasible to hit right off the bat.

[grizzled jay]

That 120% damage is just on the initial damage I think, not the actual lashes you do per CP

but i haven't tested yet

Suppose I can right now

[fleet whale]

still, night fae rip

so long to my 9 garrote dream 😦

[surreal solar]

well, Looks Like Druid Gets to Play an Expac cry

[quasi ledge]

Sepsis making you Vanish was fucking terrible, glad they changed it

[balmy condor]

yeah, so now it does nothing

[fleet whale]

i mean the reset combat part sucked but they could've just made it work like subter

[balmy condor]

very cool

[quasi ledge]

So do the other ones?

[fleet whale]

like that solution would be so easy

[balmy condor]

it was janky, but this isn't it chief

[surreal solar]

Giving us 5 seconds to Go Back Into Stealth, was fine, like "Use it if you want, here's vanish"

Not: Yeah... 1 Ability from stealth... sure

[fleet whale]

and it can't even be an empowered garrote

you just get an extra ambush

[marble hemlock]

shouldve just been like the paladins blessing of seasons

where sepsis running full duration would transform the ability

and you can re-use the same ability to vanish

[fleet whale]

and seli they listened to your Well placed steel idea

[marble hemlock]

yeah, and the katar change is godly as well

really liking the assa direction

[grizzled jay]

SBS going to be bis in AoE now. +70% crit chance on the DoT is big lol

[fleet whale]

might need a ST buff though, but who knows with all of these conduit changes

[surreal solar]

it's not a crit? it's "Hits Twice"

[marble hemlock]

well ultimately

thats a crit

[grizzled jay]

that's what a crit is

[surreal solar]

I thought crit was just 125% dmg

[marble hemlock]

no

its double dmg on a crit

[quasi ledge]

200% in PvE, 150% in PvP

[marble hemlock]

and since SBS cannot crit, its essentially just a crit

[fleet whale]

oh guys....

[marble hemlock]

but yeah @fleet whale its mostly just a numbers-tuning thing for ST right

[fleet whale]

flag is a 1.5 min cd now

[surreal solar]

Hmm... might end up going Necrolord... still not enjoying these nerfs

[fleet whale]

that doesn't look good lol

[marble hemlock]

what i like about these katar/WPS changes is that it changes the actual gameplay and how fluid it plays

[grizzled jay]

well if the conduit is 120% damage to every lash

that 1.5m cd is irrelevant

[surreal solar]

none of this looks good, save Katar/WPS

[marble hemlock]

putting more importance on shiv burst windows is what i wanted to see, and this allows for it

[surreal solar]

and the flag buff

[marble hemlock]

same as getting free crit for fok, now that target-capped fok is a thing

we desperately need more fok crit to get consistent 4+ CP foks

the other stuff is just numbers tuning to bring conduits in line overall i guess

its the mechanical changes that are the most interesting ones to look at imo

[surreal solar]

Oh, and uh, soulbinds got a lineup change, so, yayy more flipping about

[marble hemlock]

they just flipped most soulbinds upside down

[quasi ledge]

Feel like the new 5% crit on FoK is standard, the thing that the Conduit ranks up is the FoK damage

[surreal solar]

they shifted the placement of things at least it looks like

[balmy condor]

lineup change is whatever

[quasi ledge]

Judging by the tooltip of the conduit ranks

[surreal solar]

idk, they moved Korayn's Ult and Middle to different spots

[vestal wren]

i like the changes

[balmy condor]

I like wps and katar

[vestal wren]

will be interessting to see how they work out in the end

[balmy condor]

but I'm pretty sadge about lethal poisons and sepsis

[quasi ledge]

Anything that isn't just a boring passive is good at this point tbh

[vestal wren]

i mean, the reason sepsis was a issue was the more or less doubeling in value from vanish legendry items

[surreal solar]

still feels that the 1 Stealth(Ambush) isnt worth it tho

[balmy condor]

yeah but an ambush

isn't the solution

[vestal wren]

deathly 3->5%
stardust 1.5 -> 3.5%
ma 5-> 9%

[balmy condor]

I would've taken "gives subterfuge"

[vestal wren]

good question

[marble hemlock]

if that one stealth ability interacts with stealth-based mechanics still

[vestal wren]

probably not, it sounds like shadow dance from wording

[marble hemlock]

i.e. premed, ns, subterfuge dmg bonus

its still gonna be good

[grizzled jay]

Soulbinds got a massive rework

[marble hemlock]

i can see that having sepsis work with MA is an issue, and it also used to be really awkward with world-content

so a change was to be expected imo

[quasi ledge]

Much rather a big DoT than having all the usefulness tied into the "vanish" at the end

[marble hemlock]

what i dont like about is, is that rogue already struggles in terms of multitarget vs singletarget covenant choices, and this change just pushes necrolord even further ahead of any other covenant in that regard

[quasi ledge]

Especially as it will also go alongside with the Well Placed Steel buff

[marble hemlock]

NF atleast had some aoe viability due to the vanish+leggo/talent interaction

but for assa in particular, theres no way around necro at this point

[quasi ledge]

Kinda just going back to Legion AoE, just FoK and Finisher damage

Minus Poison Bomb

[marble hemlock]

i mean its already very maintenance heavy

between maintaining ruptures for energy sustain, CT and keeping envenom+snd up

[quasi ledge]

This is why i hate the whole bringing SnD back

[marble hemlock]

the lack of rupture dmg boosting conduits/legendary hurts a bit, but between all of these, zoldyck is looking better and better

and you might just wanna skip snd on aoe, depending on the situation

not like you need the 10% regen it provides to sustain on aoe

so itll be lowest prio to maintain

[quasi ledge]

I can "deal" with it for single target, but it's just a pure annoyance in AoE

[marble hemlock]

i mean, its not required for aoe tho

[quasi ledge]

And as you say, almost pointless

[marble hemlock]

tb will be worth using in aoe with WPS

for prio dmg

to me its just the differnece between necro and all other covenants for m+ in particular, that makes this sepsis change a bit weird

without the SPS charges, ramp as assa is already really damn slow and even once you ramped up fully, the dmg just isnt there atm

SPS helps a lot in providing a cheap but strong cp gen for your opener to not starve

[quasi ledge]

Happy they stopped it forcing you to Vanish, but yeah they could have done any number of things with it

[marble hemlock]

they can still do a lot of things with it

i personally see the sepsis change as a change to its mechanics first and foremost

they can easily change up the amount of stealth abilities you can use, or the duration on it. or let it scale with the conduit etc.

[grizzled jay]

so the Potency Conduit for Flagellation is not currently working

[marble hemlock]

we also dont know yet how itll work with abilities that require stealth and stealth-based talents like subterfuge or premed

with how core stealth-based talents are for both assa and sub, id reckon theyre looking to make it work somehow

i.e. how shadowmeld garrote would apply SS bonusdmg, but not subterfuge

[balmy condor]

I think overall would be fine

but I'm a little scared bout sin aoe

[quasi ledge]

They massively buffed the bonus DoT damage on the conduit, can see them nerfing that back down but then buffing the end stealth ability

[balmy condor]

considering rupture and stuff still kinda blows

if they buff rupture and go into the multi-dot route, could be pretty gud

but I'm a little concerned

[marble hemlock]

tbf, sepsis dot doesnt really do that much dmg to begin with

the bonk is nice, esp if they decide that they want you to time it with shiv

[quasi ledge]

Feels similar to when you could time Kingsbane and Toxic Blade

[marble hemlock]

yeah

and like

[grizzled jay]

Sepsis did get added to Shiv a few builds ago

[marble hemlock]

with WPS change theres some good opportunities to play around shiv, while being a maintenance heavy spec

[grizzled jay]

So Sepsis getting +80% out the gate is kinda nice

[marble hemlock]

wasnt that just the dot tho

not the bonk?

[grizzled jay]

That I cannot say for sure

[marble hemlock]

or was that mastery scaling just the dot, but not the bonk? i dont even know anymore

[grizzled jay]

Sepsis got added to Shiv's +nature damage

[marble hemlock]

anyway

[quasi ledge]

Never got excited about the end burst ever since they nerfed it, but it also didn't actually work on beta for ages

[marble hemlock]

assa will not be nearly as simple to play anymore imo

[grizzled jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/756272734937415781/unknown.png

[quasi ledge]

Yeah, i was really concerned from everything being passive damage

[grizzled jay]

328305 is the entire Sepsis spell, not just the DoT

So it is both the DoT and the end damage

Are part of Shiv's bonus damage

[quasi ledge]

Pretty cool. Will have to see when it's best to Shiv, for the start or the end

[balmy condor]

it'll be 2 seconds in

[grizzled jay]

well Shiv lasts 9s

[quasi ledge]

Probably will depend on the conduit rank you have

[balmy condor]

so it clips the end

[grizzled jay]

DoT lasts 10s so you would just Shiv after Sepsis

[balmy condor]

^

[quasi ledge]

The end burst never worked when i was playing beta, no idea how much damage it actually does

[grizzled jay]

It's been working for about 2 months now

They fixed it when they fixed the tooltip

[quasi ledge]

But with a high conduit, was just thinking maybe that massively buffed tick was more worth it

[marble hemlock]

im not sure thats how it works tho tmb

[grizzled jay]

i can make a NF rogue and test for you rq if you want

[marble hemlock]

cause if i check old logs

it lists the bonk as 328306 spell ID

[grizzled jay]

ill just test for you

[marble hemlock]

would be nice to know

[grizzled jay]

i got nothing better to do atm

waiting for my drug test to get back so i can start this new job

ill test the damage of subt garrote too

might as well

(with Sepsis I mean)

oh no i gotta do the play

[quasi ledge]

"I'll just quickly make a NF Rogue" ... Play says no :p

[marble hemlock]

hahaha

enjoy

[normal olive]

i'll still make a NF rogue

[flat ocean]

Why is blizzard not reworking Kyrian ability

[normal olive]

and then reroll after 1 day

[flat ocean]

Do people actually like it or something?

[balmy condor]

yes

kyrian is fine

[quasi ledge]

I like playing Whack-a-mole with my combo points

[grizzled jay]

oh thank god you can skip the play now

Bless Blizzard

[balmy condor]

one of the few interesting things left tbh

[marble hemlock]

its in a decent spot numbers-tuning wise, you just cant play around it reliably

[grizzled jay]

okay gonna test sepsis now

do you want me to test the conduit too?

[marble hemlock]

nah

WPS is pretty straight forward now

[balmy condor]

you can check if katar is crit chance as well

[surreal solar]

Nah, just sepsis Subt and sepsis no Subt

[balmy condor]

or just damage

[grizzled jay]

@marble hemlock is this a buff to niya? you get this at the beginning now

instead of at the end

[surreal solar]

they also boosted her Poison: Tool, and locked it behind the 2nd potency

[marble hemlock]

i liked the old way more

means you dont have max-stacks for your first sepsis

[surreal solar]

^^^

[grizzled jay]

Poison: Tool has always been behind Potency

[flat ocean]

You can probably hold sepsis now

Seems bad to use straight away

[surreal solar]

prior image in the pins says otherwise TMB

[marble hemlock]

theres no difference

[grizzled jay]

are there training dummies in NF Sanctum?

[frigid kestrel]

Uhhhh did we just get nerfed?

[marble hemlock]

whether you hold it for 2nd vendetta or not

[grizzled jay]

the prior image is just super old

[marble hemlock]

you might still get 1-2stacks early

[flat ocean]

Bro

[marble hemlock]

and have 70mastery atleast

[grizzled jay]

The Kick power was always behind a Potency

[flat ocean]

It changed

It gives you 1 stealth ability now

[marble hemlock]

so?

it still deals damage by itself

it still procs niya bonus

[flat ocean]

Yeah

[marble hemlock]

why would you not use it?

in your first vendetta

[surreal solar]

It was IN FRONT of it before, now, its BEHIND

[flat ocean]

But you can probably hold it for stacks

And still get it in first vend

[marble hemlock]

then youre not holding it?

[grizzled jay]

non-Shiv Sepsis

Also, Subt does not affect Garrote

[marble hemlock]

mhye, to be expected atm

[flat ocean]

"means you dont have max-stacks for your first sepsis"

[grizzled jay]

Testing Shiv-Sepsis now

[flat ocean]

Depending on how quickly you gain stacks you could hold it

Is all I was saying

[quasi ledge]

You won't get max stacks in 10 seconds

[flat ocean]

Do we press Vend immediately now?

[grizzled jay]

it actually is just Shadow Dance

[marble hemlock]

well your point is that at most youd hold it to be late into vendetta and not early. that might be worth, we dont know. but "holding" onto a cd usually means not using it at all for like 30-40secds

or until it hits max-stacks. which is probably about a minute into the fight or smth

[vestal wren]

it actually is just Shadow Dance
everyone can be a sub rogue 👀

[grizzled jay]

The final hit did +30 more than the last one, but that could be Variance.

[surreal solar]

Oh, goodie, the DMF food doesnt even work anymore

[marble hemlock]

looks like variance to me

so its as i said

[grizzled jay]

i'll test again just to get a better baseline

[surreal solar]

50 more to every sepsis tick

[marble hemlock]

dot applies, bonk doesnt

would make sense based on the spell-ids

since the bonk is a different one than the dot

[grizzled jay]

just variance

well it just makes Sepsis tick 20% harder

30% with WPS

44% with max-rank

not the worst

[quasi ledge]

Add in the Sepsis conduit

[grizzled jay]

sure

[surreal solar]

whats the sepsis conduit even do? higher tick dmg?

[balmy condor]

yes

[flat ocean]

10% less per tick

[quasi ledge]

192% increased now at max rank, drains by 10% each tick

[marble hemlock]

yeah

no bonk increase atm 😦

[surreal solar]

i feel like thats better, but does it outdo the dps of 1/2 other potency conduits?

[grizzled jay]

they may add it

just gotta keep telling them to

they've listened to MOST feedback

@surreal solar We'd need sims to showcase that, also the fact that they all just got changed too

[surreal solar]

does it, flip your bars when the 5sec thing happens? or just enables the abilities?

changes how i set my bars up

[grizzled jay]

it gives you Shadow Dance

[surreal solar]

i don't play sub

so idk

[grizzled jay]

oh well, swap to Sub and click Shadow Dance to get an idea of what happens

[marble hemlock]

its just an extra stealth bar

thats seperate from the regular stealth bar

[surreal solar]

so, i just need to set up a 3rd bar?

shouldnt be too bad

[balmy condor]

or you just turn off all bar paging

like a normal person

[surreal solar]

clickers aren't people, how dare you call me a people sir

[balmy condor]

Y I K E S

even more of a reason to turn off bar paging

[flat ocean]

Is the word change on mutilate meaningful?

[balmy condor]

the word change?

[flat ocean]

Mutilate Attack with both weapons, dealing a total of [ 52.5% of Attack Power ] Physical damage. Awards 2 combo points. Requires Daggers Weapon

Daggers is red

Weapon is green

So mutilate with swords now or?

[balmy condor]

that's a tooltip chnage

I think

[quasi ledge]

99% doubtful, just a tooltip error

[balmy condor]

but it might be

if it is

then not worth

so we go daggers

:)

[quasi ledge]

Not gonna be Mutilating people with Maces

[flat ocean]

Seems like a weird tooltip change

[balmy condor]

things happens when they pull data

weird tooltips is par for the course

[quasi ledge]

It's probably just the default, just like "Requires a melee weapon"

[grizzled jay]

oh

oh

OHHH

@marble hemlock OH BOY

[marble hemlock]

?

[balmy condor]

instead of oh

can you say what the oh is

[grizzled jay]

so

you dont just get to use 1 ability with sepsis

you get to use every stealth ability once

[quasi ledge]

Seems like a bug :p

[marble hemlock]

that seems like a bug, if anything

[normal olive]

wait

what

[balmy condor]

yeah that's bugged

[surreal solar]

[balmy condor]

but also

that does nothing

what does that achieve

[grizzled jay]

good in M+ and PvP 🙂

[normal olive]

i can sap something

[grizzled jay]

let me see if i can ambush twice

[marble hemlock]

useless in m+ actually

but yeah

[balmy condor]

CHEAP SHOT IN COMBAT

POGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[normal olive]

[marble hemlock]

40energy 1cp

[normal olive]

NF op

[marble hemlock]

[normal olive]

i tell you

fucking broken

[grizzled jay]

stop being salty whispyr

[normal olive]

blizz pls nerf

[grizzled jay]

oh its just coded like ass

when I used Ambush it removed the buff but Sap/CS do not

[balmy condor]

I'm not salty im actually grinning

[normal olive]

i'm salty

hello

fucking blizz killing all my SL hype

[grizzled jay]

its also only 25 energy fwiw

you can use Shroud but it doesn't actually activate Shroud

and puts it on CD

[normal olive]

[marble hemlock]

well yeah

that makes sense

[quasi ledge]

Like when you fat finger it mid-pull :<

[marble hemlock]

since the shroud insta breaks as youre not in stealth

[grizzled jay]

yah just funny is all

[balmy condor]

don't come in here with logic seli

[grizzled jay]

oh okay so i figured out how they have it coded

[balmy condor]

it says stealth ability, so it should use it

[grizzled jay]

Sap doesn't consume the buff at all, the buff is only consumed when you engage a target and both of you go into combat with each other

So "theoretically" you could proc it and double sap in PvP and CS the 3rd target

[marble hemlock]

does it stop autoattacking when you proc the sepsis-dance?

[grizzled jay]

uhh i can check

[balmy condor]

isn't sap limited to one target

[grizzled jay]

i wouldn't think so? don't think regular Dance does

[balmy condor]

how you gonna double sap

[grizzled jay]

if you needed to swap cc for w/e reason, its just a theoretical lol

[balmy condor]

[grizzled jay]

it does not stop AA

it's code that will probably change, they probably only looked at it from a pve perspective lol

NS doesn't get affected by it either. not that it should, but thought to test.

[normal olive]

It's time for prepatch navi openers

[marble hemlock]

@grizzled jay thanks for the testing btw

[strange python]

friendly question, for m+ sin or sub?
and raidin? thx<3

[balmy condor]

in shadowlands, we don't know

for right now, sin for m+, sub for raid

[strange python]

thanks<3

[normal olive]

Okay my new strat does not quiet work

[normal olive]

Don't look at that mut

that's not supposed to be there

[low girder]

[drifting cloud]

seems fine to me

[frail birch]

Does the new sepsis proc the master assassin leggo?

[balmy condor]

no

it doesn't give stealth

[frail birch]

[low girder]

think of it like subterfuge

but 1 spell

[balmy condor]

or a 1 spell shadow dance

[low girder]

(at least when those bugs get fixed lol)

[vital haven]

hi

[balmy condor]

hi nairda

[vital haven]

hey

❤️

[low girder]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Pre patch: Versatility > Critical Strike > Mastery > Haste
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[low girder]

oh

😦

RIP "sim yourself"

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[fleet whale]

flag still bugged

can't reactivate for haste buff

[low girder]

rip

[grizzled jay]

Varo 3 hours late

[onyx solstice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fleet whale]

also i can't do the quest Torghast, Tower of the Damned

portal doesn't work

[strange python]

venthyr still buggy ?

god verdomme

[shadow tulip]

I personally run into bugs with Kyrian. Sometimes when I use it, I don't see the anima charged marker

[strange python]

blizzard should aim 2021 for SL

[frail birch]

They'd probably run into legal issues, but it'd be nice to have a finished product

[shadow tulip]

Just to clarify, when I use the ability, the WA doesn't show 2-3 or 4.

And I just don't know if I should aim for which

[strange python]

u tried on standard settings without addons ?

[balmy condor]

sounds like WA

[shadow tulip]

IDK on top of my head

But it varies between all 2-3-4 possibilities

So yea

[balmy condor]

yeah

janky wa confirmed

[grizzled jay]

ER is bugged

If you overcap your CP by at least 2, it doesn't give you an Animacharge

[strong oracle]

so new sepsis is dogshit? prolly

[balmy condor]

ye

[strong oracle]

nice

[grizzled jay]

it'll get a numerical buff

they just needed to get the new ability coded in correctly

[strong oracle]

lets go necro again :^)

[grizzled jay]

new buffs to Potency makes SBS bis on 2+ target cleave if the targets live long enough

so you'll get mileage out of it in Nathria for sure

Especially on Sire.

and Huntsmaster

[strange python]

so many anima gril pics :7

[shadow tulip]

So tmb, you're saying that I might have braindeadly overcap and that's why it vanished

[balmy condor]

sbs bis on 2+ you say

[frail birch]

yes pls

[grizzled jay]

@shadow tulip idk what you did, just saying what the actual bug is

[shadow tulip]

Ah, so it was known then

Allrighty

[balmy condor]

do you have numbers to show

for sbs bis 2+

[shadow tulip]

IDK, Venthyr I just don't like

Not the ability, but the aesthetic

[surreal solar]

Venthyr aesthetic i can agree with being bleh

Maldraxus transmog is bleh

Kyrian outward "vibe" is cringe

Personally, was for Night Fae albeit their hippies (the free stuffs appealing) till they potentially stabbed sepsis (dunno, numbers might keep me there)

[frail birch]

Night Fae armor is v nice imo, plus the daggers are great

But sepsis change is sad

[low girder]

i can see why it's sad, but i think untying it from MA is a good thing for MA itself in the long run

the legendary

i keep forgetting we have two sources

easier to tune this way, even if MA doesn't win on ST even with old sepsis

[frail birch]

I agree. MA isn't my favorite legendary anyway, so it's not the worst hit.

Also I have no idea what I'm talking about, my only sources are FEELS

[surreal solar]

I don't like MA, so Night Fae being disengaged from it, is perfectly fine for me, Zoldong was the one i was staring at anyway

[low girder]

you played zoldyck regardless before this build, i believe. in M+

well, unless you used the bugged bloodfang lol

[surreal solar]

yeah, but potentially in ST scenarios (raid) you ran something else if you were really min-maxing

[low girder]

doomblade

zoldyck was close though

literally within margin of error

[frail birch]

how far behind those two was scoundrel?

[balmy condor]

I pray zoldyck survives

[low girder]

it was the next one, like 4 dps behind

[balmy condor]

that's from last bulid

[low girder]

the top 5 were all super close minus bloodfang

[frail birch]

oh smooth

I like that choice, ngl

[low girder]

i forget where bloodfang landed if you removed the extra 0

think it was around 4%

[fleet anchor]

so new sepsis is dogshit? prolly
not really no

Honestly all 4 Covenants based on initial looks are within like.. 50 dps of eachother

[surreal solar]

it's not dogshit, just feels kinda... bad to go from "you go poof" to "have an ambush kiddo"

[fleet anchor]

Night Fae only like 30 DPS behind Kyrian by the looks of it from initial combos

Most of the value is in the damage itself

The Ambush is just a minor bonus

[surreal solar]

and then spiced by shiv?

[frail birch]

I'm okay with 30 dps loss to not have to use my brain on combo points

[low girder]

i assume sepsis doesn't proc subterfuge either

#nobetaclub

does garrote get the bonus though

[surreal solar]

i think tmb tested earlier and it was a resounding no

[low girder]

oof

[fleet anchor]

atm the final damage hit is not affected by Shiv yet, so it will get better when they fix that.. only the DoT is Shiv-affected

[frail birch]

who at blizz do I have to please to get subterfuge sepsis and shrouded suffocation baseline?

[fleet anchor]

I mean NF was impossible to balance with stealth legendaries, this pretty much was bound to happen unfortunately

[low girder]

yeah i'm sure it'll be fine. and this is way better for the vast majority of sin players who aren't in this discord, who aren't doing group content

yeah def

[grizzled jay]

yeah anyone who says "lol fun detected" is just memeing. they don't want Covenant power (I think) to be closely tied to Legendaries. That's why the Aimed Shot -> AoE Arcane for MM just got reworked

Cause it was working too well with Night Fae

[fleet whale]

how is venthyr looking in ST? like how behind is it compared to Kyrian or night fae

[shadow tulip]

I've been spending several days now with Kyrian and I'd be totally fine if I have to roll that one

[low girder]

venthyr was/is broken beyond belief in sims so idk if we know how it actually stacks up quite yet

[shadow tulip]

And BTW, Venthyr vibe is a lot more cringe than Kyrian, IMO

So "wannabeedgy"

[fleet whale]

idk, going through Revendreth they aren't really as "edgy" as you might think

Venthyr are more like aristocrats

[shadow tulip]

Night Fae isn't hippie either

AYAYA more likely LUL

[low girder]

@balmy condor do you remember what broke venthyr in sims btw, was it just because of how the ability was implemented in game too which was also broken, or

[balmy condor]

yep

[low girder]

ah ok

[sand otter]

Kitty gives me more dps

[grizzled jay]

This was before the 1.5m cd and 20s duration i figure though

Before you had 45s of Lashing, now it's just 20s

[shadow tulip]

Chungus secret kitty?

[grizzled jay]

chad rogue alert

[sand otter]

Twilight is my favorite in game pet

totally do more damage with her out

i run the purple fangs as xmog, try them you may like them

[shadow tulip]

I don't like the swords, sry

Looks like an erect eel

[grizzled jay]

how dare you say that about Life and Death

[shadow tulip]

Calmly

[grizzled jay]

uncultured

[shadow tulip]

Swine, I know

<----- Dark Iron female lol

But it's already dawn, so good night guys...

[frigid kestrel]

Did everything I read in beta balance out, or is it a nerf? Just looking at numbers and not simming it looked like a nerf.

[balmy condor]

necro buff, venthyr buff

[surreal solar]

I'm just waiting to see the re-adjusted soulbinds

[frigid kestrel]

Tf did I read?

[low girder]

venthyr is a nerf

[frigid kestrel]

I didn’t see that, I thought I read a lot of adjustments on abilities

[low girder]

but it never worked so

[balmy condor]

oh right they nerfed the %

[surreal solar]

venthyr's a side-buff/nerf

[low girder]

yeah

[frigid kestrel]

Ye

[balmy condor]

so that's a nerf

[frigid kestrel]

But buffed shiv

[balmy condor]

only through the conduit

[low girder]

WPS is a good rework

[frigid kestrel]

But the shiv buff didn’t seem the equal out at all

[low girder]

imo

[sand otter]

im just going whatever group aligns me with sylvanas the best >.>

[balmy condor]

[sand otter]

dont look at me like that

[grizzled jay]

@low girder They increased the AP from 5% to 6% so probably a buff

[low girder]

that's true

longer cd though right

[grizzled jay]

1.5m

You'll do, on average, about 25-30% more AP from the ability at the cost of 5% less Haste right?

[low girder]

i think?

that sounds right

[grizzled jay]

yeah i don't know if that's a buff or nerf, probably more of a side-change so you are not as punished if you can't get the full haste value

[low girder]

yeah

[grizzled jay]

you only have 20s for lashes now instead of 45s, so you actually don't have a lot of time

as Outlaw I was hitting 20 with about.. 3-5s to spare

[fleet whale]

is the conduit supposed to work on all lashes

or only the first 5

[grizzled jay]

no idea, it doesn't work at all atm

[low girder]

yeah with flag still broken that's hard to say

[grizzled jay]

its not flag, the conduit itself doesn't work

[fleet whale]

yeah, i can't reactivate it

[low girder]

flag is also broken though

[fleet whale]

flag doesn't work right

[grizzled jay]

just the haste

the lashes themselves work fine

[low girder]

ah

[fleet whale]

if the conduit is only the first five lashes from the cast

then it would be quite bad

[grizzled jay]

120% of 6% is 13.2% x 5 is an extra 66% AP damage

oh sorry it's only +33% AP

but if you lash 25 times it's +165% AP

which is equal to Reverberation, or therabouts

so it's probably all lashes

[frigid kestrel]

I’m use to Kyrian now, I don’t wanna swap again. Fuu start simming the diff yet? Or is that something imma have to wait till tomorrow?

Actually, who’s got the patience to walk me through properly simming new ish. Tired of waiting for results and I’m also bored a lot.

[balmy condor]

fuu's sleeping xD

[grizzled jay]

fuu sleeps?

[sand otter]

had today off from work, and tomorrow too

bored out of my skull

[balmy condor]

fuu sleeps often

every night in fact

[sand otter]

sleep is good

[low girder]

what's that like

[balmy condor]

no idea

[low girder]

jk i sleep

[balmy condor]

[low girder]

just at strange times

[sand otter]

my work shift is either 7am-4pm or noon to 9pm

so i sleep at night for the most part

[minor thicket]

man Sin is really getting nerfed eh

[balmy condor]

sub got nerfed too

[minor thicket]

really?

[balmy condor]

so

deepening daggers got nuked

[low girder]

Yeah most strong conduits got nuked

Wouldn't worry too much

[surreal solar]

everyone's potency's got stabbed basically

well

almost, mages got a boost from what i heard

[glad spruce]

its good that they are taking the time to look at the weaker classes like frost mage and buffing them to finally be worth bringing to keys/raids

[grizzled jay]

cannot tell if this is irony or not lol

[fleet whale]

pretty sure he's being sarcastic

[strange python]

I detect extremely mild sarcasm

[fleet whale]

only way i can see him being serious is that if he really likes frost mage

and was upset it was completely overshadowed by fire for most of bfa

[strange python]

to be fair though fuck bfa fire lol. Hows sin looking after the recent alterations? Back closer in line?

[fleet whale]

I don't think the sims have been done yet

[strange python]

Im kinda surprised the sin conduits got hit at the same time tbh, I didn't think there were MASSIVE outliers

it looks more like everything was a "future proofing" parse

so we don't end up with another bfa fire by the end of slands lol

[glad spruce]

its 100% sarcasm lol they buffed one of the strongest classes already while nerfing everything else

its like they missed applying an aura nerf to frost

[grizzled jay]

bfa frost wasn't even bad in 8.0 or 8.1 and then in 8.3 was better in ST once full mastery corruption was gotten at leat

[unkempt lantern]

where do you buy the conduits in Kyrian

[grizzled jay]

at the entrance

[unkempt lantern]

ty

[fallow otter]

Yeh kyrian not even close

Kinda troll

[grizzled jay]

its next to the anima conductor, they probably had the soul forge there in early builds and never changed it

[fleet whale]

you know some people like to say sin is the "resident sleeper" spec

those people should try to play current havoc DH

if they really want a sleeper spec lol

[fallow otter]

Literally fall asleep with guardian

I wish they would get the same guy who fixed spreist and aff lock to do sin

[fleet whale]

idk if sin needs so much a fixing, it really just needs tweaks

[balmy condor]

And some new talents

[fleet whale]

yeah the talents are a big issue

mainly the last two rows

[balmy condor]

And an aoe concept that works fairly decently without borrowed power

[low girder]

There's so much they could do with reworking CT and making it baseline

[fallow otter]

Aff lock didn't get many changes

But aoe spender

[fleet whale]

thematically speaking, i just wish CT was replaced with an aoe poison finisher

[fallow otter]

It's what we need

Dood the last row is ass

[balmy condor]

An instant damage Aoe spender

[fallow otter]

And the 2nd last has 1 choice

[low girder]

I did say rework

Could also do something with exsang too if they wanted

I have a few ideas

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[low girder]

Not really a hard concept

[balmy condor]

Lot of ideas floating around

[low girder]

Think it's too late for base changes though

[fallow otter]

We need something single target

[balmy condor]

tru

[low girder]

I think my exsang idea would be too strong for how I want CT to work on aoe though lol

[fleet whale]

make blindside baseline

in it's place, have a talent that makes both ambush and mut deal bonus poison damage

so those abilities work with shiv more

[low girder]

DD

[fleet whale]

a no RNG DD, more in line with the hfc set bonus for sin

[fallow otter]

And macro ambush with mut

Fun over

Boring again

[low girder]

You're gonna set whispyr off again

[fleet whale]

just from playing so much blindside on beta

it just feels too good on the spec to not take it

when the time comes when ep is good again, i'll be sad

for our baseline aoe finisher

"Poison powder" it's like black powder for sub, but green

dot aoe finisher, and each target hit with fok

makes the dot stronger

[low girder]

I was gonna go the other way and have CT amp bleeds if hit more than one target, proportional to how many bleeds you already have up

Give it a cd though 'cause lol

[fleet whale]

i just like the poison theme more, plus my ability interacts with shiv a little bit lol

[fallow otter]

We don't need aoe stuff

We don't even need 2 target cleave

Coz of the legend

Assuming good tuning

[low girder]

The shiv one?

[fallow otter]

We need ST stuff imo

Yeh

[low girder]

That doesn't exist anymore

[fallow otter]

Well maybe a cleave talent then

[low girder]

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spell=340078/tiny-toxic-blade

It's this now

And yeah prolly

[fallow otter]

If your poison bleed combo is on 2 targets make x

Can be more instant poison dmg or energy

Or anything

Make poison bomb 100% on envenom!! Gg give us this talent plz

[vestal wren]

legendary chart:

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

tiny toxic blade looks surprisingly good

[balmy condor]

pretty balanced in the top like 5-6

[verbal mantle]

fuu delivers

[balmy condor]

fuu always delivers

my simc crashes when I try to sim covenants

[vestal wren]

you can sim it on raidbots ^^

i asked seri to rebuild btw.

[balmy condor]

boring sauce

[vestal wren]

because koji pushed the conduit changes slightly after the nightly build (haven't gotten a response, but i assume he will rebuild later)

[balmy condor]

the great re-pin of 2020

[vestal wren]

haha, always need to re-shuffle all the pins :/

no lego vs. sepsis:

looks pretty good now

[balmy condor]

now redo the conduit screenshots mr microsoft paint

[vestal wren]

:/ i actually use photoshop

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

but i will come to do that later, atm trying to do some simulations on legendary items

[sick scarab]

😛

all rogue will be nature warriors !! 😛

assassins vegan

[vestal wren]

@balmy condor you should be able to sim on raidbots advanced soon™️

[balmy condor]

and then I can duplicate all the results you make, but slightly worse

[vestal wren]

haha ^^

i could look into making a public copy of my research spreadsheet

[balmy condor]

one day, I'll be faster than you fuu

[vestal wren]

the linked one above

if i run the sims on raidbots it would mean that everyone could look into the results

not sure if thats very interesting tho

[balmy condor]

I mean, its interesting to very select people

<-- this guy for example

I don't think it would have widespread appeal outside of "this number bigger than this number"

which is basically what it is now

[vestal wren]

i think the pins usually do a better work summerizing those things, but it def. wouldn't hurt

[grizzled jay]

@vestal wren did you see the testing I did on Sepsis?

[vestal wren]

i haven't

its like shadow dance iirc

[balmy condor]

ye, but sap and stuff isn't cancelling it apparently

ambush/other combat skills break it instantly

if I understood tmb correctly earlier

[vestal wren]

is pickpocket canceling it?

(not that it matters bc. you can /cast spell /cast pickpocket)

[balmy condor]

dunno

[vestal wren]

sap not cancelling it seems nice for pvp

but has likely very limited use

[balmy condor]

super niche tbh

cheap shot breaks it

so its not like its a mini-subt

[grizzled jay]

@vestal wren It only gets consumed, from my tests, when you do an action that would put the target in combat.

So Pick Pocket and Sap do not consume it currently.

[vestal wren]

ah nice, thanks

[grizzled jay]

Also, Shiv does not currently work on the last-tick-damage of Sepsis, the Flagellation Conduit doesn't work at all, and you still don't get the Haste from Flagellation.

[mellow gale]

did they break sepsis synergy with MA?

[balmy condor]

yes

[mellow gale]

rip

[balmy condor]

the end of sepsis allows the cast of a stealth ability, similar to subs shadow dance

but it does not grant any of the effects of true stealth, such as nightstalker, subt, ma, combat drop, etc

[mellow gale]

sad, i was lookinf forward to sepsis+MA gameplay

[grizzled jay]

It was bound to happen. They have systematically broken Covenant-Legendary synergy across all specs.

[fallow otter]

sad, i was lookinf forward to sepsis+MA gameplay
@mellow gale you and I are very different 😋

[mellow gale]

its fine we are united in class choice

unless.....

[balmy condor]

[fallow otter]

Im so bored of the vanish for dps stuff

That's all ;)

[sick scarab]

so happyu woht new sepsis ?

no more vanish.. and aggro loss

[balmy condor]

I agree

vanish for dps big succ

[sick scarab]

and more flow on rotation

to me seems very good

[fallow otter]

Also stops fae peeps from being shoehorn into MA legend

Did that get a timer update also? Haven't read through the changes yet

[sick scarab]

nmight faie will be more like subterfuge spec it seems to me dunno

[late plinth]

any tips for pvp island expedtioions in the prepatch??? i feel so trash in there compared to bfa patch

[balmy condor]

I feel like you'd play it just like you did in 8.2

the matchups might change though since classes got reworked a little, some more than others

not sure if there's even a meta or anything yet

might want to ask the #pvp people for that

[late plinth]

is CT viable now over poison bomb on aoe? been away for 6 months

[burnt dome]

in M+? yea, check Seliathan's pin

[balmy condor]

CT has been the go to for a while

now its really really strong

competitive single target as well

[errant delta]

what he best weakaura out of the pinned ones?

[balmy condor]

the one that you prefer

mine are the best obviously

cause I made them

:')

[errant delta]

but i dont have any of them dose one have actual timers on pandemics?

[balmy condor]

I think all of them do now

[errant delta]

link?

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[errant delta]

and yours is....

[balmy condor]

oh mines not on there XD

[errant delta]

bruh

[balmy condor]

I'm just memeing

I can dm you a link hold on