assassination

[pliant fractal]

Oh my other class is monk

[balmy condor]

our legendaries are copy paste legion legendaries

[pliant fractal]

So I guess I didn't notice

[balmy condor]

our conduits are boring as shit

we had promises from blizz in alpha that weren't kept

[low girder]

ER exists

[fallow otter]

Sin is basically poor man's legion when you could only equip one legend and no artifact weapon

[balmy condor]

there was no effort to build on the foundations of specs

just slap snd on it

[fallow otter]

Give us some new stuff ffs

[balmy condor]

and call it a day

do I need to go on

or does that suffice

[drifting cosmos]

Yes please go on

[pliant fractal]

I've tried rogue on PTR and it seemed pretty tight to me

[balmy condor]

there's been no desire to fix sin's aoe problems

[pliant fractal]

Not a long term rogue player though

[balmy condor]

sub is riddled with bugs all the way to china

[shrewd night]

Assa is one of the specs which core doesnt need changes. But the others have issues, yet the dev attention is like 25:1 in favor of other classes.

[balmy condor]

the core doesn't need changes

but we are in desperate need of some m+ love

[drifting cosmos]

Is ct target capped?

[austere grove]

when you say sins aoe problems? what do you mean?

[low girder]

yes

[balmy condor]

8 targets

[pliant fractal]

If the devs spent half the man hours they do on catering to Shadow Priests they could have covenants balanced before launch

[drifting cosmos]

Fok?

[pliant fractal]

[low girder]

also 8

[balmy condor]

fan of knives is arguably the worst aoe skill in the game

without any borrowed power

[fallow otter]

Nah I don't want core changes I want something interesting like artifact weapon mini game

[balmy condor]

its basically a wet noodle

you spin in a circle with a pool noodle

and gamble for cp

that's fok

[fallow otter]

Give us that in the row instead of PB

Fuck pb

[balmy condor]

like if I weren't laughing about how bad fok is

[austere grove]

with the target cap, i thought sin would be strong if you could dot shit up

[balmy condor]

I would be in tears

[drifting cosmos]

Pb sucks too

[balmy condor]

don't get me started on our dots

[low girder]

the dots barely do anything

[balmy condor]

the dots are bad

[pliant fractal]

Well at least you aren't feral right

[balmy condor]

shadowlands is all poison damage atm

bleeds are just there for energy

[austere grove]

oh really? more than just a tuning issue?

[balmy condor]

well the tuning issue

[drifting cosmos]

Yea well all the bleed borrowed power gone

[balmy condor]

is that poisons are good

and if you make bleeds good

you nerf 80% of the design space

that blizz has hollowed out for conduits and legendaries

[low girder]

the only way we have to scale aoe in SL is the poison conduit

[balmy condor]

yeah

[low girder]

which is essentially just poison knives from legion

except this time we don't have omegabusted PB

so

[balmy condor]

on live, sin in m+ doesn't function without SS and corruptions

you go SS and exped for big cleave, or SS/EB with crit for aoe

[drifting cosmos]

Very true

[balmy condor]

without SS, garrote is shit
without EB, fok is shit
rupture has always been shit

so what you're left with

[drifting cosmos]

Haha

[balmy condor]

is poison scaling through conduit

[drifting cosmos]

Man you must really be in the swamp

[low girder]

and CT is like

a thing that exists

[verbal mantle]

he IS the swamp

actually

[balmy condor]

I'm the swamp monster

[low girder]

doesn't do much

[balmy condor]

and this channel

is my swamp

I live here

[pliant fractal]

I actually thought it felt pretty okay I didn't realize the swamp was this deep

[balmy condor]

I'm notorious for only sleeping 4-6 hours a day

and answering every single question in here for the other 20 hours

[verbal mantle]

It's only the start of SL beta, games gonna be alright and things will be tuned for sure tho

:^)

[balmy condor]

but yeah

sin is fine in raids

but m+ is just a shit show

[austere grove]

well, my other char is feral. so anything is better than that

[balmy condor]

there's some sub pepegas that show up in my holy land of sin

and claim master assassin will be great in m+

but don't realize

[verbal mantle]

f..f..wha- ?

[balmy condor]

that right now

our aoe opener

[pliant fractal]

Well is it convenient that I prefer outlaw for M+ , I wanted to try rogue to have multiple specs

[low girder]

yeah 100% crit for 5s on g1 g2 g3 r1 fok is incredible

[pliant fractal]

But mult specs in Shadowlands is kind of cringe

[low girder]

great use

[balmy condor]

rupture?

KEK

[low girder]

[shrewd night]

So uh whispyr

[balmy condor]

g1 g2 g3 bs1 bs2 r1 bs3

[shrewd night]

have u like

[austere grove]

i only want to play sin, i just hope it becomes viable in m+

[balmy condor]

7 seconds

[shrewd night]

considered fae

[balmy condor]

of setup

[low girder]

i forgot about SBS tbh

i'm a fairy now, yolo

[balmy condor]

I have considered fae

and then promptly not considered it

[normal olive]

u wot

[verbal mantle]

ursoc killers

they can fuck off

[low girder]

tbh if SBS stays untuned (it won't) i would too

[crimson palm]

U killed him for loot

What's worse

[balmy condor]

yeah

the way sbs is looking atm

[crimson palm]

[balmy condor]

its too good

[normal olive]

U wanna go mald draxus?

[zenith hatch]

Lol ppl aint get shit that he would be dead anyway x)

[normal olive]

or wanna join the communist party?

[low girder]

i expect buffs for the 2 bad ones but who knows

er well, maybe 3 depending on how flag is for sin

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pliant fractal]

If you think the class salt is rich now just wait for the tuning pass when the dread sets in that they really didn't plan to fix anything before launch

Which is almost a month away from today

[balmy condor]

well

we're all waiting for heroic week tuning anyway

so I don't really care too much for how things go live

[verbal mantle]

the week sub will die

in the process

[low girder]

ye idk why people expect tuning to be done before launch, it never is

you can go back and look at heroic week hotfixes every xpac launch

they're hilarious

[balmy condor]

^

exsang first week heroic

[low girder]

affliction got like a 15% buff after heroic uldir week

[balmy condor]

[verbal mantle]

indeed, hilarious is the word

[balmy condor]

blizzard's tuning before logs come out

is actually horrendous

and even then, they can't get it right

[low girder]

all 3 rogue specs after heroic week in highmaul got buffed by 15-20%

[pliant fractal]

Yeah but when have they had to balance all that with legendaries and covenants in the first tier

[balmy condor]

the last 2 expansions

[low girder]

even without legendaries it's awful

go look at the highmaul hotfixes

[pliant fractal]

BfA I don't agree

[balmy condor]

legion was legendaries + full class reworks
bfa was azerite + essence
shadowlands is legendary + conduit + covenant

[pliant fractal]

I said first tier

[balmy condor]

ye ok

and yet what happened first tier for rogues in bfa

I wonder

[shrewd night]

Laser matrix

[balmy condor]

I can't remember any overbearing changes to classes happening in uldir

that crippled an entire spec for 2 years

[verbal mantle]

I remember Uldir pretty well :)

[pliant fractal]

I'm just saying they're basically going to need to have things vaguely balanced on soulbinds, covenants, legendaries, and spec basis by mythic week

[balmy condor]

yes

[pliant fractal]

That's a fragile tower

[verbal mantle]

and you think they will ?

[balmy condor]

and they're not going to do that

[pliant fractal]

No guys I'm saying I don't lol

[balmy condor]

because they haven't gotten things right that were half as complicated

I'd be happy if they fixed most of the bugs by mythic week

[pliant fractal]

They couldn't get BfA right and the only thing they had to design was the classes and some tier set bonuses on azerite gear

[balmy condor]

anything else is just a bonus tbh

yeah

its honestly a joke at this point

[shrewd night]

that crippled an entire spec for 2 years

Are u sure whisp

I can think of one

[final saffron]

that was a long read, morning fellow sinner!

[balmy condor]

nothing comes to mind

at least not in rogue

[shrewd night]

zul

[verbal mantle]

the open wound is still here guys pls

[balmy condor]

our two specs are fine

sin and outlaw

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

I heard outlaw cleave on zul was pretty good

[verbal mantle]

design a terrible fight
niche spec op
nerf spec

[pliant fractal]

Never touch it again for two years

Pog

[balmy condor]

never bring spec back in line
let it fester and rot
give it a legendary that doubles its dps in alpha
fotm rerollers jump on hype train
channel turns into a mess
so many blue named pepegas
nerf spec
repeat

[verbal mantle]

sad but true

this will happen

but heh

13e/month

👍

[pliant fractal]

Am I an ok reroller if I want to play outlaw mostly

[low girder]

and then the tier before that:

design fight amazing for multidot
barely nerf multidot specs
multidot specs still insane on fight

i'm not bitter

[verbal mantle]

[normal olive]

Outlaw?

[balmy condor]

if you're in here and half more than 3 brain cells you're good in my book

[normal olive]

[pliant fractal]

Yeah I like cleave number spam

I'm a simple man

Subtlety feels kind of obnoxious to play spamming shadow strike and evis non stop

[balmy condor]

I accept on 3 simple questions:
are you wholesome
are you smart enough to understand basic reasoning
did you delete your demon hunter

[pliant fractal]

I'm actually rerolling off DH

[verbal mantle]

im all 3 at once

[balmy condor]

well

you're fucking banned then

[crimson palm]

An actual classic

[verbal mantle]

DHs

[pliant fractal]

class shaming

[balmy condor]

a blue name that rerolled off DH

you mean

half of subtlety

[low girder]

DH has been my primary alt a few times

[verbal mantle]

lmaoo

[low girder]

rip

[verbal mantle]

thats insane

[pliant fractal]

Well look at my roles I just clicked them all

[verbal mantle]

how this is accurate

[balmy condor]

yeah but you're blue

[normal olive]

[zenith hatch]

So as much as i understand hatin on class fotmrollers but wth is goin on in here over spec hatin?

[balmy condor]

[pliant fractal]

I don't know how to unblue

[normal olive]

pls don't ban me meanspyr

[balmy condor]

whats going on in here over spec hatin?

[normal olive]

i have a dh

[balmy condor]

we don't hate sub

we hate the sub channel

cause uh

[pliant fractal]

Also I should be more specific

[balmy condor]

its a mess

[zenith hatch]

Ay ye its trashcan

[pliant fractal]

I'm a vengeance main looking for reroll options

[balmy condor]

sub the spec is fine

[pliant fractal]

I dont like havoc

[balmy condor]

oh

vengeance

you're alright then

[normal olive]

Hello, i'm Navi and i fucking hate Outlaw because it can burn in a trashcan for all i care

[crimson palm]

I'll start sending the brain dead fel hammers from sub to assa now

[balmy condor]

no pls

my sanity

can't handle it

[pliant fractal]

And I've never participated in the dh discord

Honestly I should have just said I play tank

[balmy condor]

probably for the better

[normal olive]

Wait

[balmy condor]

god I'm so toxic tonight

lmao

[normal olive]

there is other shit then dh tank?

[pliant fractal]

I forgot DH gets weird glares from every other class discord

[normal olive]

You mean because you can play it with a bop it?

[pliant fractal]

You can play sub with a Walmart mouse

[normal olive]

I prefer water melons

[pliant fractal]

Do you guys know how to unblue my name

[verbal mantle]

lmaoo

[austere grove]

not sure

[balmy condor]

remove sub

[pliant fractal]

I clicked them all thinking this discord worked like balance

[verbal mantle]

#bot-spam

[balmy condor]

go to #bot-spam and type !subtlety

[pliant fractal]

[shrewd night]

@balmy condor whispuw do you have mowe infowmation about fwaggewation?

[verbal mantle]

wrong colour tho Kiri

[normal olive]

[shrewd night]

So many typing

[final saffron]

^ that made me cringe

[normal olive]

Koffing pls no

[shrewd night]

its glorious

[normal olive]

The only weeb here is Weebspyr

[shrewd night]

gotta ask him in his own language

[balmy condor]

@shrewd night fwaggewation is soooooooo gud koffing it gives a wot of mastewy

[verbal mantle]

ah

[balmy condor]

nah its fucking garbage

[pliant fractal]

Rolling night fae?

[normal olive]

I'm out

[balmy condor]

SBS or gtfo

[normal olive]

Yes Night Fae is the go to

[low girder]

SBS nerf when

[normal olive]

Just to fuck with Wobspyr

[balmy condor]

SBS nerf next week

so I can stop recommending it

over everything

[low girder]

i'll believe that when i see it

[balmy condor]

pin it

[normal olive]

what the fuck is SBS is that the bone spike?

[shrewd night]

I have venthyr and fae locked in across my chars, now I just need to find a necrolord and one.. uuuh.. last one

[balmy condor]

I'll eat my sock on stream

[low girder]

ye, bone spike

[balmy condor]

yep mald

[low girder]

i haven't figured out an alt yet so idk what covenant they'll be

[crimson palm]

I'll eat my sock on stream
@balmy condor @shrewd night pin it

[pliant fractal]

Make a monk alt

[shrewd night]

What do I get to do if you dont eat your sock whisp?

[low girder]

i'll have enough fun being animation locked with shadow vault ty

[crimson palm]

Ban him from the disc

[balmy condor]

fwaggewation

uwu

[low girder]

[normal olive]

[pliant fractal]

Echowing wepwamand

[low girder]

[balmy condor]

ah

[shrewd night]

Weebs who dont eat socks gets confined to sub for life.

[balmy condor]

I'm so proud of this channel

look at my creation

so degenerate

[low girder]

i was lowkey expecting to get timed out there tbh

[verbal mantle]

I like it 🙂

[balmy condor]

and somehow still better than wowgen and sub

[pliant fractal]

Also how is outlaw bad being a pirate is based

[verbal mantle]

we dont talk about them

here

[normal olive]

Outlaw

[balmy condor]

no bones shall be rolled on this day

[pliant fractal]

I'm not familiar with the intraspec rogue lore

[balmy condor]

the lore is super easy

[verbal mantle]

they're too outlaw for us

[balmy condor]

sub is edgelord and fotm rerollers
outlaw are warrior wannabe's and gambling addicts
sin is comfy slow spec where we just vibe like chads

[pliant fractal]

Your name is blue and I've learned that means you're inferior to me

[normal olive]

fucking gambling addicts

[low girder]

what was sub before its transformation into fotm reroller

[verbal mantle]

My name is blue cause sub spec is my favourite
dont confuse me with fotm fuckers and havoc dh rerolling for some light

ty

[balmy condor]

sub before alpha was respectable weirdo's that stuck to what they loved even when it was unplayable

[verbal mantle]

i dont even post in sub channel
shits give you aids

[pliant fractal]

Sub before fotm was the leather gimps hobbyist club

[balmy condor]

which is mega admirable

[verbal mantle]

I was forced to main Sin all BfA

[normal olive]

I played sub whenever i got the chance in raids

just to meme around

[shrewd night]

"forced"

[normal olive]

[verbal mantle]

yes

forced

[low girder]

i was going to try it until i simmed and i went from 120k to 86k

[shrewd night]

That was a choice you made

[low girder]

then said nah

[shrewd night]

dont say "forced" lmao

[balmy condor]

but koffing my heroic guild won't let me play sub cause they say its bad

[pliant fractal]

Have you tried sub

[normal olive]

Bruh

you are the guild lead

go fuck your guild lead

[balmy condor]

not for the sake of the joke I'm not

[shrewd night]

wait

[verbal mantle]

forced cause i didnt want to play it
played it anw cause it was the most relevant spec for mythic ?

[shrewd night]

is whisp legit a gm?

[balmy condor]

yes

and we suck

[normal olive]

Fekin cassuals

[balmy condor]

its common knowledge at this point

[shrewd night]

Which guild?

[normal olive]

[shrewd night]

So I know what to avoid

[balmy condor]

we're NA

already avoided

[normal olive]

Rerolling to na if you guys want a DH for Sl

[shrewd night]

Pre avoided at birth

[balmy condor]

feels good

[verbal mantle]

feels good ?

I see

okok

[pliant fractal]

I wanted to roll a DPS this expansion but retain some control over encounters and I thought rogue was pretty good with that

[balmy condor]

in m+ maybe

[pliant fractal]

Yeah I mainly play mythic plus

[shrewd night]

What did you reroll from?

[balmy condor]

our raid utility is overstated by everyone in existence

[normal olive]

[pliant fractal]

Reroll from Veng+other tanks

[normal olive]

We got cloak to ignore mechanics or soak

and feint to take less dmg

[shrewd night]

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

cloak doesn't work on 75% of mechanics

[verbal mantle]

its okey its only Veng Shiennar

[shrewd night]

Feint doesnt work

[low girder]

i can shroud the melee on pull for uptime

[normal olive]

What do you mean feint doesn't work

[low girder]

utility

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

feint the conduction in first boss temple

oh wait

[normal olive]

[pliant fractal]

Honestly I'm so numb to seeing classes complain about their viability

[normal olive]

Didn't you just talk about raid

where you getting temple from

[low girder]

we're viable

[pliant fractal]

After spending time in peak of serenity

[balmy condor]

well

[normal olive]

Fekin Memespyr

[low girder]

we're just not insane raid utility like people think

anymore

[balmy condor]

the one thing you won't get here compared to peak

[shrewd night]

Peak

[normal olive]

We can soak 1 thing

[balmy condor]

is babylonious pings every 20 minutes

[fathom swift]

I need like a list of feintable mechanics each expac now cause its very not obvious what is and isnt feintable baseline

[normal olive]

Just feint big aoe shit

[balmy condor]

tbh I've thought about a google doc with cloak evasion and feint

[normal olive]

I miss no cd feint spam with legy legs

[fathom swift]

Yeah but a lot of stuff i assumed counted as aoe doesnt

[pliant fractal]

I chose rogue as my potential reroll because it ||feels comfy||

[verbal mantle]

yes pls Whisp

[balmy condor]

COMFY

[low girder]

do it

[normal olive]

Streamspyr i smell profit here

[verbal mantle]

Rogue is life, nobody gonna say the opposite here mate

[normal olive]

[verbal mantle]

lmao

[crimson palm]

just play elusiveness

[balmy condor]

docspyr

makes a guidespyr

[fathom swift]

I need cheat to carry me

[low girder]

^

[normal olive]

Fucking sub only google docs

[balmy condor]

34% crat

[normal olive]

I heard 34% crit allways grants you 3 cp

even if you just look at the enemy

[pliant fractal]

I joined almost all the class discords and could never find a spec that just vibes

Is sin the vibe spec?

[balmy condor]

we vibe hard

[verbal mantle]

Rogue is a vibe alone so

[normal olive]

If you ever need help with openers

[verbal mantle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[normal olive]

hit me up

[balmy condor]

no don't

he creates abominations

cursed creations of hell

[verbal mantle]

garrote vanish vendetta

[shrewd night]

idk man, rogues vibe and this is the only discord where toxic pokeemanz toss out dummies

[pliant fractal]

Yeah some of the other classes are just full on self hate and simultaneously extremely defensive

[balmy condor]

I am dummy why am I not tossed

[verbal mantle]

because we love you

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

koffing doesn't love anyone

[verbal mantle]

and we're all dummies

including Shiennar

police on my back

[pliant fractal]

If this is what I can expect from rogue players then this is probably the one

[balmy condor]

||shiennar send logs so I can rat on your guild mates some more||

[normal olive]

What covenant works best with my playstyle

[verbal mantle]

[low girder]

[verbal mantle]

hahahaha

[balmy condor]

koffing please, I can't delete messages, I'm too weak, send help

[shrewd night]

bruh

I dont think logs is going to be relevant next tier

[normal olive]

I hope we get a fight like shad in Nathria

i want to meme the shit out of my openers next tier

[balmy condor]

how do I unsee

all of navi's openers

[crimson palm]

nathria has 4 patchwerks

[normal olive]

what do you mean

[verbal mantle]

[pliant fractal]

Should I be Pogging at these openers I'm not sure yet

[balmy condor]

no

100% not

[normal olive]

Those are high end openers

[pliant fractal]

Yeah they look elite

[normal olive]

Not eveyone can handle my genius

[shrewd night]

only 300iq people understand them

[balmy condor]

so the other thing you should know

[verbal mantle]

you should not

[balmy condor]

is that navi creates literally THE WORST openers

just to fuck with me

[pliant fractal]

I've never seen such confidence

[normal olive]

[low girder]

he's just practicing for pvp

[verbal mantle]

you will get use to it
just Navi things

to get Whisp mad

[normal olive]

tbh the Drest -> MFD -> Kidney opener was the only intentional one

[balmy condor]

I'm usually very friendly and wholesome

so navi decides to make me mad

out of all things

[verbal mantle]

next level of toxicity is reached

[balmy condor]

I have to take my anger out on my mods

[normal olive]

You don't listen to my gachi, you don't like my openers, what's next you don't like me in your chat?

[pliant fractal]

Damn

[balmy condor]

damn

[verbal mantle]

Swamp so active today

[normal olive]

[pliant fractal]

[low girder]

[balmy condor]

[normal olive]

Did we get any info on prepatch in the last few days?

[low girder]

release candidate went on ptr, other than that no

[normal olive]

The last thing i saw was that blizz said that pvp season will end "soon"

[balmy condor]

yeah, prepatch soon

what don't you get about that

[normal olive]

i just want to play the game

[shrewd night]

Ive banked my cash on 6th

[normal olive]

I guessed 29th

but that doesn't look promising

[low girder]

it's almost definitely 6th at this point, yeah

[verbal mantle]

you meant 7th

[pliant fractal]

I just want BfA to end asap

[verbal mantle]

NA

[low girder]

idk NA brain

[normal olive]

3 weeks of prepatch is a weird amount of time tho

with 2 weeks of prepatch content

2 weeks of daily quests that is

[low girder]

enough time to (prepatch spoilers duh) ||kill nathanos a bunch||

[pliant fractal]

As opposed to the next 2 years of daily quests

[normal olive]

I'm down for dailys in SL

atleast we don't know the zones there

flying around in icecrown for the 3 millionth time

[late birch]

Forgot to check answer previously but anyone know if Shiv will be in rotation for any spec in SL?

[shrewd night]

Absolutely not

[balmy condor]

yes

shiv rank 2 at level 56 is a weaker toxic blade

so it'll be on cooldown just like toxic blade now

for the other specs, no

[final saffron]

have you simmed with and without it Whispyr?

[balmy condor]

I mean

I could

[shrewd night]

beta sims

[normal olive]

So when do i press Shiv, Exang and Echoing Reprimand

[shrewd night]

[late birch]

Hmmm, will it toxic bladebe removed or will we be playing with toxic blade and shiv?

[pliant fractal]

PTR sims

[final saffron]

since the change is much weaker than the actual toxic blade

[normal olive]

Toxic blade

[balmy condor]

toxic blade got replaced by alacrity

[normal olive]

[late birch]

Ah

[normal olive]

Atleast they buffed shiv

[shrewd night]

@normal olive dw u press shiv as opening skill, then sbs, garrote vanish cheap sbs rupture exsang

ez

[normal olive]

so it does 6 dmg instead of 3

[late birch]

giga\

[verbal mantle]

exsangu is 1st Koffing, sorry to disappoint

[normal olive]

But how do i press Bonespike when i go Kyrian

[shrewd night]

u go to bastion and click the other covenant

[low girder]

^

[normal olive]

Nah i'm going Night Fae

[shrewd night]

Sepsis bros

[low girder]

yeee

[pliant fractal]

Sepsis uwu

[normal olive]

Since i don't rly do m+ i'm going with the one that looks the most fun for raid

[shrewd night]

literally hard yeeting rogue if they change/nerf sepsis

[pliant fractal]

Echoing reprimand?

[normal olive]

[low girder]

what if they buff it again

[normal olive]

Echoing take another covenant

It's the Kyrian ability

[pliant fractal]

But you get an owl

[normal olive]

Owl boi is great

but furrys

[late birch]

Bonespike pretty much only viable choice atm right?

[verbal mantle]

for now

[low girder]

for now yes, expect changes

[late birch]

Ahyt, what seems to be second best atm?

[normal olive]

Did the smart people do sims for flogglinggoose yet?

[pliant fractal]

Fwaggewation

[normal olive]

flogglinggoose take it or leave it

[pliant fractal]

Hey guys is slaughter bis?

Guys?

[final saffron]

Is this something we currently have or is it new?

[balmy condor]

merry christmas

[low girder]

it's new, afaik it still doesn't work

[normal olive]

[shrewd night]

no shiv is the way to go

gotcha

[normal olive]

Shivspyr i wanted Flogglinggoose

[low girder]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[normal olive]

Fucking delete that spell pls

[balmy condor]

my fkin simcraft won't rebuild

[final saffron]

lol @ that small difference it does now tho

[balmy condor]

so I can't sim flag

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

like I can show you

flag

in the code base

but I can't sim it

[pliant fractal]

You do press Shiv off cd, don't you?

[normal olive]

I like flags 🚩

[shrewd night]

Sounds like a "wont" to me

[low girder]

yeah it just hits like a wet noodle

unlike current TB

[final saffron]

TB did more damage than Mutilate and 30%, now it does 1/4 of the damage of Mutilate and 20%

[balmy condor]

@shrewd night yeah I won't

cause my fucking simc

is 9/10

and won't update

[normal olive]

[pliant fractal]

Just looking at that, not shivving has a wider range, meaning there is a timeline where I don't have to press it

[shrewd night]

janni

[balmy condor]

[verbal mantle]

still not updating ?

its been 2 days

lmao

[fathom swift]

Cli not gui

[balmy condor]

most of the theorycraft nerds run cli

I run gui

but I thought gui might be the issue

turns out

its not

[verbal mantle]

ah

[balmy condor]

[shrewd night]

Its just your willpower

[normal olive]

gui

cli

what i don't speak fucking spanish

[fathom swift]

Gui is bis for people who cannot use computers like me

[normal olive]

[low girder]

graphical interface vs command line interface

[balmy condor]

gui is the simcraft you download from the webpage

[normal olive]

Oh

yeah makes sense

[balmy condor]

cli is the command prompt

but like

[fathom swift]

Cli still spits out html outputs right

[balmy condor]

its there

[pliant fractal]

I prefer the letting other people do sims method

[balmy condor]

I can see it

I can smell the flag

its in the code

rebuild, nada

[normal olive]

I like to do my sims

[balmy condor]

[low girder]

what if you rename it to fwagewwation

[normal olive]

and fucking scuff it up with 200 diffrent sims because i only have 300k

[shrewd night]

just rebuild it, its ez

[balmy condor]

I can do that, push the fork to github

and get banned

[low girder]

[normal olive]

xD

[final saffron]

no need to do sims when you're a part of this discord

[pliant fractal]

How could you simulate openers like yours

[normal olive]

You don't sim them

[shrewd night]

that would be my last up yours if I ever worked at wowhead. Weebify their entire database.

[balmy condor]

lmao

[normal olive]

You go to a boss, and just get a stroke and hit your keyboard

[pliant fractal]

Google DeepMind

[normal olive]

On this one i just reset my brain and tried to start from scrap after exang

[verbal mantle]

vncsdfuipvd

this vanish

[normal olive]

[verbal mantle]

aaaaaaaaah

[pliant fractal]

Now that's a 22nd century opener

[balmy condor]

@shrewd night I'm running a secret operation atm to learn simulationcraft, not because I want to help theorycraft, but because I'm trying to get in at noxxic. That way I can weebify their entire class guides, to reflect the garbage they truly are

[verbal mantle]

sounds like a plan

[balmy condor]

its the long con

[normal olive]

I can provide openers

[pliant fractal]

Wait I'm not supposed to get my tier rankings from Noxxic

?

[balmy condor]

yeah, you get it from wowmeta instead

[shrewd night]

Nah, get them from wowmeta

[balmy condor]

the best source of information

[shrewd night]

AYYYY

[normal olive]

[verbal mantle]

[normal olive]

I wanted to link it

[pliant fractal]

Oh real talk wtf is wowmeta

[shrewd night]

Shit tier site

[balmy condor]

oh he's pure of the soul

[shrewd night]

iteral garbo

[balmy condor]

blessed be he

who has not witnessed

the wowmeta

[pliant fractal]

Yeah I gotta see this

[balmy condor]

wowmeta

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

is so shitty clickbait

they even have a tier list

[normal olive]

Hmh yes garrote is not on cd let's press it again

[balmy condor]

for servers

just in case you wanted BiS servers

[verbal mantle]

ppl behind wowmeta create tierlists for their everyday life

they got issues

[pliant fractal]

Bis server?

[normal olive]

Are they the same guys that make all the tier list stuff for streamers?

[balmy condor]

tbh the icyveins tier list isn't better either

which is disappointing

[shrewd night]

I wanted to say something about spreadsheets and tierlists, but I think most of them are members of this discord

[balmy condor]

cause that guy is in bdg

[normal olive]

Hold up

i just noticed something in my openers

[balmy condor]

tierlists in general are just bait this early

and if you need a tier list

raider.io and warcraftlogs

provide you with more than enough info

[crimson palm]

whispyr what is best covenant

[balmy condor]

still aldor bud

I promise

[normal olive]

Scryer >:c

[balmy condor]

no

[shrewd night]

Why not both

[normal olive]

I'm trying to raid and play Ocarina of Time at the same time

[pliant fractal]

There is no way you really do openers like this

[verbal mantle]

fuck Navi, pls

[balmy condor]

koffing how much do I have to pay you to give me green so I can delete this mans messages

[normal olive]

you want a good one?

who needs stealth on pull anyway

[balmy condor]

unmarked, non-sequential bills

I promise

[shrewd night]

do you want the short answer or long answer?

[normal olive]

Just don't use stealth

[balmy condor]

idk give me the short answer

[shrewd night]

No

[normal olive]

"no"

[balmy condor]

tsk

unlucky

I'm guessing the long answer is "hell no"

[final saffron]

"nooooooooooo" long aswer xD

[verbal mantle]

that CLF gave me cancer actually

[shrewd night]

Noo

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

he's just letting the clf tick fully dadsen

wdym

[verbal mantle]

aaaah

okey

schmart

[normal olive]

i have about 30 iq

[balmy condor]

foreverguy would call it "room temperature"

[verbal mantle]

hahaha

[normal olive]

Can't wait for SL where i raid from the start

All the Navi openers

If i find a guild that is

[pliant fractal]

Starting to make sense now

[balmy condor]

if you confuse even one new rogue with your openers at the start of the expac navi

I will wring you neck like a wet towel

[normal olive]

[verbal mantle]

this part alone is full covided

Navi how do you do that

[normal olive]

[verbal mantle]

[normal olive]

Dunno

[low girder]

i've seen worse

[balmy condor]

yes

I've seen worse from navi too

[normal olive]

i just turn my brain off and let fate decide what key get's pressed

[verbal mantle]

oh Im sure theres worse

[normal olive]

Sometimes it's just as simple as "oh i didn't use vanish yet"

3 seconds into the fight

xD

[verbal mantle]

Navi be like : garrote 1, garrote 2, garrote 3, vanish, garrote 4

and COUNTING

[normal olive]

That's what i do in m+

[pliant fractal]

Sepsis is going to raise your power level exponentially

[normal olive]

[verbal mantle]

more subterfuge uptime
more garrotes YES

[low girder]

wait until he runs shadowdust and can double kidney the opener

[normal olive]

i allready pugged 9/12 mythic without my furry friends

[pliant fractal]

Shadowmeld?

[low girder]

waikt

triple kidney

[normal olive]

Imagine my power with furry friends

[pliant fractal]

Night elf fae rogue

[verbal mantle]

PUG M Raden is actually an irl achievement

btw

[normal olive]

We did everything besides ilgy, cara, nzoth

[balmy condor]

oh also @final saffron lethal poisons 15 doesn't help shiv's case much

[low girder]

shiv

[final saffron]

60 dps.....

[pliant fractal]

2%

[vague rock]

so spamming garrotes is good in the opener? garrote works like ignite?

[verbal mantle]

yes

[normal olive]

[verbal mantle]

of course

[vague rock]

ahh that's what i was doing wrong

[balmy condor]

you're all dead to me

[normal olive]

You can also open with Drest -> MFD -> Kidney to stun the boss

[pliant fractal]

In Shadowlands you will be able to use sepsis for a cleaner rolling garrote

Navi said so

[balmy condor]

no stop

[normal olive]

hold up real shit now

[balmy condor]

[final saffron]

@balmy condor the only one taking this discord seriously

[normal olive]

if we get something like SS in SL

[low girder]

@balmy condor how much do you like doing really stupid sims

[balmy condor]

yo the amount of dm's I've gotten from people who took memes seriously

[drifting cloud]

hello is this dead spec channel

[low girder]

because i have a curiousity

[normal olive]

we could time Sepsis in a way to save the first vanish

[balmy condor]

is much higher

than I ever wanted

[normal olive]

and get 3 perfect garrotes

[balmy condor]

what stupid shit do you want me to sim mata

[low girder]

how much of a dps increase is toxic blade currently

vs not using it

[balmy condor]

ugh

[low girder]

lmao

[pliant fractal]

#subtlety I believe you're lost @drifting cloud

[balmy condor]

you're gonna make me open raidbots

seriously

[final saffron]

that's not a stupid comparison

[low girder]

it kinda is

TB is gone in what

10 days

[normal olive]

Well i've been awake for 25 hours i'm tired good night peeps

[balmy condor]

mata give me your simc

I'm too lazy to rip one off of someone

[shrewd night]

No navi

not allowed

[final saffron]

figure out the % difference Whispyr!

[normal olive]

Still no smoke bomb emote

[balmy condor]

the memes will stop when he goes to sleep

[shrewd night]

[normal olive]

i have no nitro

me poor

Thiefspyr stole my last 5 bucks

[shrewd night]

Simp

[final saffron]

are the sims with using Shiv off cooldown or can you actually sim it with using it more "optimally" with energy pooling for Envenoms and stuff? I don't really understand how the sim works

[balmy condor]

actions.cds+=/shiv,if=dot.rupture.ticking&(!equipped.azsharas_font_of_power|cooldown.vendetta.remains>10)

that's the line

[low girder]

font

lol

[normal olive]

[prime schooner]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-battle-for-azeroth-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

idk what the font line is doing

we can ignore that

[normal olive]

Well i'm out time for a scuffed 🚬 💣

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.

[balmy condor]

but its casting on cd as long as rupture is ticking and vendetta is >10 second out

[final saffron]

so shiv is only used if rupture is on the target, you have the trinket proc and also vendetta is on cooldown

with other words on cooldown :d

[balmy condor]

forget the trinket thing

just on cooldown if:

1. rupture is ticking
2. vendetta has >10 seconds left until it comes up

[final saffron]

so it could be better than the sim if used more optimally

for 100+ dps!

[balmy condor]

well

that is optimal

so I think you'd be hard pressed to use it more optimally

[low girder]

the other thing is the comparison doesn't really work since you're picking a talent and not using it, shiv is just a base thing

but whatever, just a curiousity thing

[final saffron]

well having spells in your rotation that barely affects your dps is just ... you know

[pliant fractal]

Can you make the shiv APL account for navis garropener

[quaint sequoia]

is the pins updated with flag for venthyr?

[balmy condor]

no

[final saffron]

Shiv takes a "main keybind" since it's used that often and barely does anything

[balmy condor]

we don't have flag sims yet

[low girder]

spoiler: probably still loses to SBS

[balmy condor]

ye

[low girder]

at least for us

maybe not for sub

[balmy condor]

nah the sub guys are saying its not very good either

from what I've peeked

[low girder]

lmao

[quaint sequoia]

but SBS will prob get nerfed right?

[balmy condor]

we think so

no clue how much

[pliant fractal]

You can probably be as sure of that as any other potential balance change

[shrewd night]

Ima go with

sbs aint getting nerfed

but the others are brought up to par

[final saffron]

wasn't Sbs nerfed a little bit already? for PvP atleast

[balmy condor]

@low girder

[low girder]

that's about expected i think

[final saffron]

5%!

[low girder]

interesting

[balmy condor]

that's with uhhhhhhhhhhh

this build

[low girder]

lmao

[pliant fractal]

For monk instead of nerfing Fallen order they just buffed night fae and kyrian abilities this beta patch

[balmy condor]

hold on

[low girder]

am i triple NP

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8V5EP8WcSTWMDPbZ3hVfA9

[pliant fractal]

So there is a decent chance you're right koffing

[low girder]

oh so that's with DD

[balmy condor]

yep

[low girder]

prolly bumps it a decent amount

[balmy condor]

yup

[low girder]

so maybe the difference isn't even that large

huh

[balmy condor]

you want me to repeat with your exsang set?

and just give it tb instead of exsang

[low girder]

maybe?

[balmy condor]

can do

[low girder]

dashing prolly gives it a good amount too

[shrewd night]

Doubt we will see sweeping covenant changes for a while though, they need to adjust leggos and actual class mechanics first

[low girder]

so idk

[balmy condor]

that's also with CT

[low girder]

lmao that dmg difference

[balmy condor]

that's with pb

[low girder]

wut

why did it go down

lol

[balmy condor]

beats me

[final saffron]

you guys like my cloak?

[low girder]

so the dmg difference isn't too bad

tbh

[balmy condor]

yuh

[low girder]

it just feels like shit

[dark crag]

Isn't the tb part of shiv a sl level thing or was that changed?

[balmy condor]

level 56

is rank2

current tb is 30%

shiv r2 is 20%

[low girder]

if it wasn't in i'm pretty sure it'd be a dps loss

in the sim

[dark crag]

What's r1 shiv doing for assa?

[balmy condor]

20% nature damage buff

[low girder]

20% nature dmg

[balmy condor]

r1 is nothing

[dark crag]

R1

[balmy condor]

r1 is just shiv

[low girder]

yeah nothing

same as other specs

[balmy condor]

from 7 years ago

[dark crag]

So prepatch is with no tb effect

[low girder]

ye

[balmy condor]

yep

not like it matters much

as we can see

but its something

also mata

alch/engi

you fucking sweaty tryhard

jesus

[low girder]

lmao

been that since wod

except that brief period where i dropped alch for herb because starlight rose

[balmy condor]

I miss starlight tbh

[low girder]

i don't think the guild i was in misses paying 200g per rose

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean

it should've dropped like 7 per node

like every other flower

[low girder]

i think we blew 2m just on flasks/pots

[dark crag]

I know that current build is without tb but without the haste, all that's left is 2 min cd vendetta/vanish/ma

[low girder]

in like a month

[balmy condor]

but the profession questlines and stuff in legion

was sick

[low girder]

we'll still be exsang in prepatch

assuming gear

[balmy condor]

correct

[low girder]

so we're not losing too much

outside of omegalul haste

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