yeah
#assassination
balmy condor
normal olive
Can i also make a scuffed screenshot?
balmy condor
no
balmy condor
well I said maybe
normal olive
Guess i need to go to bed then
normal olive
what is this going to bed at 4am fuck this
Just did the most scuffed key ever
should have played outlaw 
fleet whale
so right now it works like
if you spend combo points on another target
you lash at the original one
normal olive
The new venthyr one?
fleet whale
yeah
balmy condor
yeah that makes sense from the tooltip
fleet whale
that's what people are saying in the other channels lol
fleet whale
you get both
balmy condor
I thought it wasn't implemented though
normal olive
wat
fleet whale
it was just implemented
balmy condor
smh
fleet whale
randomly like 10 mins ago
balmy condor
imagine having beta
fleet whale
i don't have it either
normal olive
fleet whale
just following the channels lol
normal olive
I shadowstepped my self to death on rezan
after the pursuit debuff was gone
i call bs
low girder
no beta club
jagged yoke
anyone got a vid of flag?
normal olive
if you into flags i guess there is nothing wrong with that 
slim wagon
past bobcat
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
warm star
Does the new cov ability have a chance vs necrolord on assa?
balmy condor
don't know yet
sturdy flume
Does it even work for you guys? I just created a 2nd rogue to try it out, and I can't reactivate the ability after reaching 25 stacks. The button starts glowing, but nothing happens when I press it
strange python
It seems bonespike is still better
strange python
Also from the tooltip, even at multitargeting, where assa shines, bonespike seens to be better
balmy condor
koji's an actual legend though, first implementation flag already
so we'll have sims soon ™️
strange python
Same as usual, just wait the sims^^
final saffron
anybody knows how much lower MP sims than BS atm? in the first talent row (SL Beta)
balmy condor
final saffron
hmm so they are about the same? Kinda feel like MP will be better scaleable than BS when you get more mastery/haste, but I'm just speculating
balmy condor
that's what the sims showed
at max conduits, MP and BS are basically neck and neck
but that's months out most likely
shrewd night
Reals > feels. Although the proper reals are about two months off.
final saffron
just figuring out how I wanna change my keybinds and I don't really wanna fit Ambush in my rotation atm 
shrewd night
Macro it
balmy condor
yeah
final saffron
how would the macro be? Castsequence?
thought they fucked over those macros long ago
shrewd night
I dont know how to work it myself, but there should be options to macro it together with mutilate so it casts ambush when available. Worst case scenario have modier buttons like shift/ctrl.
balmy condor
would try /castsequence Ambush, Mutilate
and see if that works
if that doesn't work then idk either
seems very sketchy though
fallow otter
They got rid of it swapping for procs for obv reasons
final saffron
when I tried something like that last time it would always cast Ambush, and the problem is also you only wanna use it when you have a proc from BS which that macro doesn't solve :d
balmy condor
cause that would cause a ton of loop holes
yeah
so then rip that idea
make a modifier key
final saffron
ye I guess a modifier is the best solution, but that's still a new keybind 
shrewd night
idk chief, assa doesnt have that many keybinds that it would be a hassle to add another 
final saffron
but as you said, if they are gonna stay close to eachother I might aswell just go with MP, MP should scale better than BS at higher ilvls?
fallow otter
You are losing essence and CT
final saffron
well if you aren't counting our pvp abilities then it's okay, but I like having everything for 1 keybind at all times
balmy condor
essence is probably replaced with covenant
ct is still used in m+
so that kinda doesn't work
final saffron
@fallow otter I never really played with essences at all since I quit during Uldir
fallow otter
Add snd
shrewd night
If it wasnt for blindside and zoldycks I wouldnt even have wanted to consider assa 
final saffron
fuck you @balmy condor xD
balmy condor
final saffron
haha jk you are a lovely soul ❤️
shrewd night
final saffron
rolling with 27 comfortable keybinds atm, might aswell try to make 30 work out somehow 
balmy condor
I'd have to count how many I have
final saffron
yes @shrewd night think that's a too low number? :<
balmy condor
I run uh.... 26 I think, but two of them are like mount binds
warm drift
i have like 48
shrewd night
final saffron
feel like only pvpers would have close to 50, for all the modifiers
drifting cloud
koffing probably has 27 aswell, without the 20
shrewd night
I would surprise myself if I have more than.. Idk.. 15
final saffron
are you one of the rogues never using Kidney and blind in m+ koffing? 
or worse clicking them.. 
balmy condor
zempai clicks his way to CE every tier
shrewd night
Im the kind of rogue that doesnt really care for pushing so its all BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR in keys.
final saffron
hahah, if you aren't pushing then I guess it doesn't matter
warm drift
i have 10 shift modifier or so for focus and stuff. i barely use them anymore but playing since wrath like this so 😄
shrewd night
With that said, I have them bound, but I just consciously aint using them.
Last thing I used blind on was the little shitters on nzoth
balmy condor
can confirm, was the little shitter on nzoth
shrewd night
Last thing I used kidney on was uuuh, big boi on azhara
drifting cloud
you didnt kidney the tumors? 😦
balmy condor
or the hive darters
shrewd night
Was legit progging as outlaw on hivemind, after prog it was kinda whatever
final saffron
I mean, "Prey on the weak" is a pretty nice talent for raids :d
final saffron
btw I never got any response for MP vs BS with higher ilvs/secondary stats, thoughts about that?
lunar wave
How’s the new ability?
balmy condor
well the sim was up to rank 15 conduits
higher stats will probably swing in the way of mp
shrewd night
I mean... The sim is based on reference gear. It can swing either way depending on gearing choices.
shrewd night
Besides, still two months with adjustments coming our way sooo
final saffron
ye so atm it seems like going haste+mastery would be really nice with the MP build ^^
balmy condor
stat plots showing mastery to be our worst stat btw
lunar wave
Damn feelycraft
shrewd night
Feelycraft can go in the same direction as weebs.
final saffron
"Prioritize Haste, other stats seem close" thought they were all really close
warm drift
vers was pretty high right?
fallow otter
Double slapper hive no kidneys allowed
balmy condor
it was basically haste > crit = vers > mast
but the difference between them is pretty small
final saffron
why vers, can't they just remove that stat already
balmy condor
auto damage, all damage buffing is good
multiplying all things
solid numerical increase
final saffron
ye but it's such a boring stat imo
only good thing is that it makes the PvE set closer to the PvP set
balmy condor
final saffron
that's how I feel anyways :>
balmy condor
imo its just versatility affecting less things
final saffron
well that's one way to see it
balmy condor
crit gives combo points, haste gives energy
those actually change things
mastery and vers both don't change things
that's just how I see it though
spec identity and all that is definitely a valid reasoning
final saffron
yea for sure crit and haste affects the feel of gameplay more
haste also increases the rate the bleeds/poisons tick right?
balmy condor
correct
thats actually where the majority of energy gain comes from
the base increase to regen from haste ain't that great
final saffron
does it scale with the 10% increase from Vigor tho? or is the vigor 10% just applied seperatly on your base energy regen
balmy condor
the 10% is a multiplier
final saffron
so if you have haste enough for 120% base energy regen the vigor will make it 132% instead of just 130%
balmy condor
uh
final saffron
feel like I'm asking complicated questions :d
drifting cloud
youre just overthinking it 😛
balmy condor
it would be more accurate to say you have 10 energy regen per second *1.2 (which is 20% haste) * 1.1 (which is vigor)
but the end result is the same
final saffron
that answer sounds like it's not scaling with how much haste your got, that it only adds 10% of the base regen? This discussion is a bit confusing haha
final saffron
okay that made more sense ^^
balmy condor
just trying to make it clear
final saffron
ye good job Whispyr 
sturdy flume
What is our Leggo pick for Beta M+? Zoldyck's?
balmy condor
yep
sturdy flume
ok, thx
balmy condor
no problemo
final saffron
Master Assassin doesn't seem that bad either, but my usual problem is that the tank always pull next pack before combat drop
balmy condor
problem with master assassin is that your first 6 globals in m+ are 3 garrotes and 3 bone spikes
final saffron
so then it would depend on how much of a nerf Bone spike gets if any
final saffron
even so the tanking problem still persists so Zoldyck probably will always be better
balmy condor
its the only covenant that actually scales with targets
balmy condor
I find it unlikely that we're getting any big changes after this
eternal salmon
problem with master assassin is that your first 6 globals in m+ are 3 garrotes and 3 bone spikes
@balmy condor not to care about overcapping cp, right?
final saffron
were still waiting on the sims with the new ability also, maybe will place mastery a bit higher as a stat weight 
balmy condor
well you might see like 3x garrote bone bone finisher bone
but that kinda makes the problem even worse
quasi spoke
Eya guys, im come back on retail since 2 Months, i ll be in a guildprogress for SL, i need some tips about optimisation on pre patch, if someguys want to said me it (Stats/gear opti and co)=
balmy condor
prepatch is meaningless
you would want to basically copy late EP gearing rules for raids
verbal mantle
you should focus on gearing as much as you can
balmy condor
yeah
verbal mantle
up your ilvl
balmy condor
there's no point in trying to optimize for prepatch
its only around for a month, and balance in general is going to go to shit
fallow otter
Pre patch event stuffs will get you normal raid gear ilvl
balmy condor
yeah
balmy condor
I mean
verbal mantle
but yeh, stats weight isnt concerning rn
verbal mantle
indeed
crimson palm
gotta get those rank 1s in prepatch
shrewd night
he wants to be ready and wanted to know if it was possible to "start" now I guess
I mean
Technically it is
Just collect all the gear
verbal mantle
haha yeh, spam M+, profit
radiant sorrel
What changed with Celerity legendary? I thought it was a good pick up in the pins for each spec, did they change slice n dice being baseline or am I going crazy?
balmy condor
slice and dice has always been baseline
they just changed it to not work outside of outlaw
as intended
balmy condor
yep yep
all 3 specs have it baseline
sin has a rank2 version with 20% extra attack speed on it compared to the other specs
low girder
Does that work yet?
balmy condor
I believe so
low girder
Yay
radiant sorrel
So is it something you should try to have 100% uptime on? Probably a dumb question but better safe then sorry
balmy condor
yep
radiant sorrel
Alright, super excited to play rogue; making the move from monk and loving Sin rogue
balmy condor
welcome welcome
balmy condor
everything the light touches is our kingdom
but you see the darkness over that way?
that's #subtlety
we don't go there
verbal mantle
crimson palm
u mean fel hammer
balmy condor
I prefer felling trees with an axe
radiant sorrel
I’m playing around with sub on the rogue I’m leveling and I just don’t like it
Feels so weird to play to me
balmy condor
the spec is fine
its the channel that's omega painful
its 85% demon hunter rerollers thinking they're gigabrain
radiant sorrel
Ew demon hunters
verbal mantle
problem is just the channel yeh, it's the best spec to lvl your char
radiant sorrel
I’m having lots of fun leveling as sin, I also enjoy dueling with it as I’m leveling with a friend so we’ll duel to decide whether or not we stay up and keep leveling or stop lol
balmy condor
lmao
verbal mantle
rofl nice
balmy condor
I don't sleep until I hit max usually on expac launches
verbal mantle
I don't sleep
fixed
radiant sorrel
Oh I’m hype as hell for SL I requested off the entire week of release
quasi spoke
@verbal mantle @balmy condor im actually 478 ilevel
verbal mantle
hahah
radiant sorrel
I work overnights, sleep isn’t my friend
verbal mantle
thats pretty good Zazu
balmy condor
yeah that's fine
quasi spoke
and scalling ?
balmy condor
scaling
verbal mantle
yeh it's good
balmy condor
we don't use that word
quasi spoke
xdddddddddddddd
balmy condor
scaling is a no no word
quasi spoke
I should pressure on versa?
radiant sorrel
Haste until your daggers fly out of your hands like you have butter fingers
quasi spoke
on pve im atm with 34% haste/31% crit/11%versa
quasi spoke
and somelike 28% mastery
or 29
i cant find informations about rogue pre patch
idk
balmy condor
that's cause there is none
balmy condor
cause no one cares about prepatch
and its not worth the time theorycrafting
I ran sims for people last week
radiant sorrel
Prepatch is the same as your parents sticking you in front of the tv as a child
balmy condor
and I'm not getting that hour of my life back
quasi spoke
my guild (progress guild sl) want to play pre patch for see the roster
radiant sorrel
It distracts you until dinners ready
quasi spoke
so i need to being rdy for pre patch
balmy condor
no you don't
verbal mantle
I just hope your staff wont take permanent decision out of that
cause it's kinda irrelevant af
balmy condor
prepatch is an unbalanced nightmare
quasi spoke
yep
balmy condor
if you're looking at dps numbers
verbal mantle
exactly, no point at all
radiant sorrel
Prepatch offers gear pretty sure, if you wanna play sin rogue in SL, just practice rotations and get the class down pact to the best of your knowledge
Then continue to steadily improve until release
quasi spoke
im fine with my rogue, i main since since vanilla
it
but i was on classic for so long time
back to retail since 2 months
radiant sorrel
The only thing any guild should be worried about in prepatch and changes, is if a player understands the basics of their class going into the expansion
Imo
balmy condor
yeah basically
quasi spoke
ye ure right
without corruptions in mythic raid
with 470 ilevel
i was 80k dps
60k/80k
pulling 100k
assa rog is the better spe for pre patch right ?
didnt noticed what is nerf or not
balmy condor
who knows
verbal mantle
I think you should read wowhead, rogue section
sullen fossil
The better spec is the one that makes you enjoy the game
verbal mantle
balmy condor
better spec is also the one you have azerite for
quasi spoke
i ve boe r2
balmy condor
you mean bote?
quasi spoke
blood of enemy
balmy condor
blood of the enemy is bote :)
quasi spoke
xd
outer estuary
so, how does the new venthyr ability seem
balmy condor
wip I think
I haven't seen a conduit yet
but I don't have beta so I'm just the messenger
outer estuary
also maybe im confused but i cant reactivate when i have 25 stacks
ability just glows
cant press anything and have to relog so its usable
balmy condor
wouldn't surprise me if its bugged
sturdy flume
@outer estuary had the same problem when I tried it on a newly created rogue, had to join the Covenant and get the ability through their quests for it to work properly
balmy condor
I guess I also should mention that people have had problems with rogues that have already existed
making a new character seems to fix a lot of bugs currently out there
wind wyvern
Guys i want to ask you something. I want to play revendreth in shadowlands. With the recent changes, do you think that revendreth is good choise for pve? Or still behind maldraxxus?
sturdy flume
the answer for that question should still be on screen,
no sims yet
but first impression is worse than bone spike
halcyon roost
I haven't seen a conduit yet
The venthyr conduit on beta atm is still for slaughter
full bear
That new Venthyr ability is kinky AF though
warm star
all will depend on the conduit
full bear
More as in
warm star
The ability without the conduit cannot be discussed
full bear
Hit with the whip kinky
warm star
BDSM rogues
full bear
Rogue: uses covenant ability
Mob: harder Master
Rogue: what
Mob: what
warm star
exactly
sick scarab
Vein Rippers Vanish causes targets within 8 yds to suffer the remaining damage of your poisons and bleeds, and increases your Agility by 1% for 30 sec, for each consumed. 100 yd range. Instant.
Vial of Unseen Poison (New) Your instant-damage finishing moves deal an additional 15% as Nature damage when behind targets. Instant.
wtf ?
ah anima powers.. ffs
i am blind
sick scarab
i belived new talents LOL
warm star
was thinking, that's torghast oO
sick scarab
and damned blizz.. night fae leather armour sucks too much
but i want sepsis to be bis
! 😛
full bear
Sepsis seems really good for Sub though
sick scarab
imho so assa also i mean
garrote refresh etc etc
sub will get nerfed
blizz style
full bear
Think it's too clunky to be used with Sin
sick scarab
why ?
it fits well oiwht assa signature stuff
empower garrote more often
and master assassitn also
full bear
Snapshotting garrote is not really useful when you are overlapping with an already snapshotted garrote
amber quail
mind that in SL no more SS...empower garrote is not so powerfull
full bear
Oh, that's gone?
full bear
Isn't that a tale- yes I was just about to say, that's subterfuge
amber quail
in SlL we haven't azerite treits
full bear
Also, to come back to your master assassin point, I get why it is useful for that
But the problem is that MA and Subterfuge share the same talent row
sick scarab
legendary
master asassing
and gg
subterfuge from talen, master assassing from legendary item
full bear
Wait does that mean that MA and the legendary stack
sick scarab
imho is good.. it is bone spike that is nonsense
amber quail
true
sick scarab
and will get nerf by blizz ofc
sick scarab
legendary is good
balmy condor
You go subterfuge regardless
sick scarab
so subterfure
full bear
When you do not have it you go MA
sick scarab
100%
amber quail
talents 50% x 3sec-lego 100% 5sec
sick scarab
yep and for that i think spesis fit well with assa
full bear
Man I do love it that we get a lot of versatility in the talent tree for sin- oh wait
sick scarab
blizz have to tune numbers
amber quail
i pref to play subterfuge cause the 3 sec stealth action that mean silence on 3 mobs and multiple ambush for fast combo at start
feelgood for me amb-g-amb-envenom
usuallly in leveling mobs die
or A-G-A-R-ongoing
in leveling mobs die faster
i like subterfuge
full bear
I played throug bfa entirely with subterfuge
balmy condor
Yikes
amber quail
me too and also in beta
is flexible for assa
i play also ironwire to extend silence on caster mobs
feell goo for me
outer lotus
Whispyr are you saying 130% crit isnt better than 100% crit 
outer lotus
134%new magic number
full bear
What are you talking about it's in the afternoon here
sick scarab
here we are 13.27 :=
full bear
Just about to say
outer lotus
What even are time zones
balmy condor
Idk man
full bear
🇪🇺
swift timber
winter gale
Guys I just read about Flagellation Venthyr thingie. Is it changing anything in terms of which spec is now better or which covenant are we going for?
winter gale
So Sub/Maldraxxus is still no1 at this point?
delicate bone
correct
Flag has not conduits atm
so were not sure if itll get stonger with them or what
winter gale
Ty m8
nimble hill
Wasn't Slaughter shaping up to scale really well?
low girder
decent enough, but never beat bone spike even on ST
nimble hill
seems Bone Spike is absolutely bonkers
my buddy who is playing DK in Shadowlands keeps giving me crap about how strong SBS is lmfao
but Death's Due is a thing
nimble hill
thats what it looked like in the blue post
low girder
there are other abilities for some classes that are stronger on ST than bone spike is, it's just also good in many different situations
the fracture certainly doesn't help
sturdy flume
On Beta M+ AoE, where is SnD in our priority list? After Rupturing everything?
strange python
jolly comet
@sturdy flume you need to forget about rupture and come over to SnDeesus. All your combo points will be used to refresh SnD. Nothing else matters.
icy ember
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
warm star
Luxthos has his ready also
urban gale
SnDeeznuts u mean
drifting light
Everybody talking flagg and sbs and Im here still loving sepsis and MA leggo
drowsy warren
You play what you enjoy, don’t let others tell you otherwise
drifting light
Definately, the fairy rogue theme is killing me tho
drowsy warren
You can choose to transmog your armor to not look like a fairy in that case
final saffron
can't transmog the zone
drowsy warren
Role play as you are killing the creatures in that zone cuz you hate them xD
final saffron
bastion was the shitty one with combo point thingy?
nimble hill
Yeah, Echoing Reprimand
drifting light
Lol
final saffron
really hoping for a rework there tbh, that one is needed more than the rework they did on Venthyr
since the other ability feels like it would be fine with some numbers tuning
sand lion
is anyone else getting game crashes with venthyr flagellation in torghast?
strange python
hi friendos. is m+ available right when SLands launches or does it start when raid starts
frosty burrow
Becomes available when raid starts
strange python
Got it. So best way to gear up pre-raid/m+ is just run mythic dungeons?
sturdy flume
@jolly comet Hmm, hadn't considered that, thanks 🙂
fleet whale
Blizzard replacing slaughter is justified. It did way too little to actually improve the ability it's supposed to replace (ambush)
If you want to see ability replacements done right, look at Death's Due for DK's or Condemn for warriors
vague rock
what is assa ST opener now?
garrotex2 > ambush > rupture, > mfd > snd > vendetta > shiv ?
frigid kestrel
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
vague rock
i mean in sl
frigid kestrel
Hmmm not in any of the guides
Ye, I know
But I don’t know the answer to your question so I was digging in the guides to see an update
vestal wren
the rotation barely changes in sl
the main change is that you keep slice and dice up
and that toxic blade is now shiv
vague rock
i know the rotation just not sure about best opener
vague rock
i took mfd just to get snd up faster
vague rock
and i am using the new venthyr cov thing so it helps
vestal wren
sub is the only spec that has a different pick in the row with ds
frigid kestrel
Ahhh M+
vague rock
but this is for a pure st situation opening from stealth i am interested in
i guess it's better to do garrote,ambush,garrote,rupture, vendetta,shiv, mutilate, snd ?
tender folio
Yay Venthyr aint trash anymore :3
crisp sluice
Are there any active spreadsheets/ pins etc. Similar to how raz did it with the exsanguinate build to track current state of sin and BiS for SL?
Or are we not starting that yet since PP hasn't dropped yet and tuning still occurring
delicate bone
this doesnt necessarily show BiS but you can go through it and target gear if you want
obv things are subject to change
since its beta
delicate bone
no problem
surreal solar
still sad gluttonous spike isnt agi anymore
ripe cairn
Heeey im pretty new to wow and im sorry if this is answered anywhere already buuut im lvl 96 right now and in every single dungeon i do 2nd least damage. The only figts i can somewhat keep up in damage are longer ones because of the bleeds obviously. Is this normal or am i maybe doing something wrong 😅
balmy condor
probably fine
leveling isn't balanced at all
so trying to compare is pretty futile
ripe cairn
hmm okay. soo if this would happen at maxlvl i should be concerned but right now its okay?
balmy condor
tanks are kinda crazy when leveling
and with how much of a stomp leveling dungeons are, you don't really have time to ramp
they probably also have heirlooms equipped, so their gear is just strictly better
drowsy warren
The game is not balanced welll in low levels
You can have mage spam 1 ability and he top damage
noble hawk
Arcane Mage is strong while levelling, isn't it?
ripe cairn
also is monk really strong in low lvls? because my friend (2nd most dmg in the pic) has been doing alot more damage since lvl 1 pretty much
obtuse anvil
Yeah
balmy condor
yeah its a bit painful to level open world but its pretty fun
noble hawk
yeah its a bit painful to level open world but its pretty fun
Why is that?
balmy condor
because dot leveling is slow
sub can kill mobs in 3-4 globals
sin has to wait for stuff to tick
and doesn't have any energy regen
so it just kinda sits there and waits
distant steeple
Are you just fighting one thing at a time?
strange python
push snd
vestal wren
sub can kill mobs in 3-4 globals
that never stopped anyone from playing sin while leveling
and tbh its fine to play whatever
balmy condor
still objectively slower as sin
noble hawk
How easy would you all say is it to pick up assassination?
balmy condor
super easy
ripe cairn
now that im reading this im realising im not doing anything wrong and my problems are normal xD
balmy condor
sin is a really simple spec
drowsy warren
Keep bleeds up and don’t overcap on combo points is the full guide
balmy condor
yeah basically
noble hawk
Bleeds? Well, I definitely should look over the spec tomorrow again xD
I did think he was all about keeping up poisons D:
noble hawk
Well, that's what I expected
xD
Well, if you say it's easy then I should try tomorrow, thank you :3
distant steeple
subterfuge garrote x3 on 3 target pulls, rupture everything, and just focus on that for a bit. When you get that down you can start doing other tricks
But that should be a massive dps gain for you
final saffron
tbh we haven't seen what talents and stuff he uses, that could make a big difference especially in dungeons :d
also you won't optimize as well as a new player I guess
distant steeple
Right, it’s why I think as a new player it’s better to focus on learning one or two skills at a time before moving on
Like learning how to do an opener on a pack of three mobs
final saffron
yupyup!
anyone got a streamer that consistently streams sin rogue on beta? @balmy condor I heard you streamed sometimes 
balmy condor
yeah but no beta 
selithan streams
but we've both been doing poe
cause shadowlands waiting room
balmy condor
big learning curve yeah
I would stream my sim adventures
but that's not really good content lmao
frigid kestrel
Is he still streaming beta? Seen a lot of path of the exile from him lately
balmy condor
every now and then yeah
its late into the beta at this point
lot of people don't want to burn out, etc
final saffron
the content is secondary to the streamer Whispyr, as long as you're entertaining it doesn't matter what you do 
balmy condor
well I'm definitely not entertaining
final saffron
most people streaming beta and stuff are so monotone and boring tbh :d
gotta have some energy! 
knotty storm
does venemous wounds work with bone spike?
final saffron
depends on how many drugs you take 
frigid kestrel
<—— wins the competition for most boring streamer in the history of streaming. I even have a robot speak for anyone that dares try to engage me in chat because I forget to look at the shit.
balmy condor
lmao
final saffron
that's some next level of lazy
frigid kestrel
Lazy, no I just be focused in on what I’m playing
final saffron
what do you usually play when streaming?
frigid kestrel
WoW, Smite, MHW, and Muse Dash Mostly
final saffron
only know half of those games
frigid kestrel
All of which I’m shit at, just a lot less shit at WoW. You can’t be complete dog shit when you played the same class/spec for over 12 years
verbal mantle
frigid kestrel
O no I brought it back, I’m a genius
verbal mantle
swamp
knotty storm
is bone spike increased by sin mastery?
final saffron
ahh .. so how about that new Venthyr ability right?... ha ha
balmy condor
no it is not
knotty storm
tyty
frigid kestrel
The replacement for Slaughter is what you are thinking about I believe
frigid kestrel
Neither do i
balmy condor
but i guess it'll be okay
knotty storm
i do
final saffron
I kinda wish Venthyr one was best because they have the coolest cloaks :I
oh why lord did they have to bind the abilities to covenants
balmy condor
ye sadly if you want to do m+ you're stuck with bone spike
final saffron
really shit for players who actually wants do to all the aspects of the game like me
final saffron
even tho bonespike seems decent for all content
balmy condor
so you're in luck
final saffron
still 1 month + to go
balmy condor
I don't ever go into the pvp land, but I assume they aren't happy about the new slaughter stuff
final saffron
it actually seemed really op for PvP tho
balmy condor
ye idk
its decent enough in raids
and meh in m+
and that's really what I care about
final saffron
well you gonna get a bit more forced into raiding now with the currents changes
if you actually care about BiS that is
balmy condor
I mean, I do raid
golden basalt
From what ive heard its not really impactful in pvp as its hard to play around with your “go”+ that games on beta are much shorter than live so games end before you have your CPs spent:/
Nahj did some 3s played around with it recently and was not very impressed
balmy condor
that's what I was expecting tbh
final saffron
well the damage tuning haven't happened yet tho?
balmy condor
sure
final saffron
ret pallies rape people atm what I've seen
golden basalt
It’s more of a mechanical issue than numbers
balmy condor
yeah
the numbers might force it in
but the core idea is already pretty shoddy
its basically just razer coral
click, do damage, click again, get stat
golden basalt
hard to pull of efficiently when SBS is so easy to use + door of shadows is MUCH worse than fleshcraft in pvp
final saffron
well rogues don't really need door of shadows imo
may be good in some situations but fleshcraft seems objectively stronger
golden basalt
Pretty much walk as fast as it takes to cast door
final saffron
haha, well there is a soulbind that makes it remove roots which could be nice ^^
ripe cairn
wait guys i was just reading the chat from earlier..do i garrote 3 times? but on 3 different mobs right? or does it work on the sameone 3 times too
wind totem
do we have an idea on how the different specs compare for ST raid fights? I'm not talking sims just general idea.
final saffron
only 1 garrote per target, it doesn't stack
ripe cairn
okayokay. but i also havent realised i can use it 3 times like that with the talent im stupid
final saffron
also make sure all the targets you garrote actually get poisoned even tho I guess fan of knives takes care of that either way :d
balmy condor
@wind totem sub > sin > outlaw
wind totem
I dislike that answer i have an unnatural hate for sub. Guess I'm sticking to sin in SL too. Thanks for the answer.
narrow lion
!wa
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final saffron
Sub used to be a fun spec
don't remember when they removed Hemo but that's the day Sub died
balmy condor
that was legion prepatch
final saffron
was it before or after it became a shadow damage meme spec?
final saffron
sounds about right
fleet whale
well it doesn't have the whole multistrike bleed thing
low girder
frigid kestrel
Sooo does anyone know how exactly this trinket works? Like does it stack off of ability or ability damage (meaning can bleed/poison ticks affect the proc count)?
fleet whale
trinket sims will be done eventually
fleet whale
overall i like the trinket design though in the new raid
hopefully they are decent, and it's not like early bfa where you only wanted dungeon trinkets
balmy condor
yeah I do as well
fleet whale
uldir had some shit trinkets
strange python
on those assasination wa do we choose one or download all 5
ripe cairn
Sorry im pretty sure there is something about this in the #rules-and-guides but is there a Rogue UI or Interface thingy i should use?
balmy condor
!wa
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balmy condor
There’s these weakauras
ripe cairn
you have your own?
ripe cairn
cool 😄 sure can you send it?
balmy condor
Ye when I get back to my pc
balmy condor
Sure
fading wigeon
Thank you!
edgy pawn
!wa
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night kindle
@balmy condor can you send me your WA too pls.
balmy condor
balmy condor
aldor for sure
crimson palm
What is aldor
low girder
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.
low girder
balmy condor
do we stream poe after the servers come back up?
stats are hilarious to me
that command gets me
every single time
but then again, it also makes people use stat weights
without understanding them
and that's a little sketchy
leaden scarab
potion of unbridled fury still the go to?
balmy condor
focused resolve for some people in single target
verbal mantle
you can sim it too
balmy condor
but unbridled is usually fine
putting that pastebin at the end of an advanced sim will compare food + potions
leaden scarab
thanks!
balmy condor
np
leaden scarab
is it worth taking crimson tempest on wrathion on normal or heroic? idk if its part of the exsang build, wowhead doesnt say
balmy condor
you take CT over pb on single target with enough haste
If you don't have enough haste, I wouldn't bother tbh
leaden scarab
my haste is only 24% and multiple sims tell me go crit build with TB. maybe i shouldnt even worry about it since prepatch is soon.
leaden scarab
lol. that answers that then
balmy condor
which seems to be what you're seeing
what corruptions you got atm?
is it crit corruptions?
leaden scarab
i just came back like a month ago. and decided to main rogue a couple of weeks ago. so i only have like, 2 things
crude kelp
Bit of a strange question. I seem to have forgotten something. Had pre patch been announced?
leaden scarab
sadly not sir albert
balmy condor
no announce
but its either this week, or the week after
most people think the week after
crude kelp
Thanks. I had this weird feeling it was this week. I guess not.
leaden scarab
1 expedient II, 1 expedient I, 1 Mind flay thing, and mastery increase from all sources by 12%
balmy condor
aha
yeah
so you're like almost getting to the point where exsang is viable
but just really undergeared
crude kelp
Another question. Do we think M+ season will end on pre patch? I need 3 more keys for KSM, but I'm AFK until the 3rd 😩
crude kelp
That hurts
balmy condor
pray that prepatch is the 6th, then get the 3 keys done that week
balmy condor
no time?
low girder
for your thinking that patch would've been this week, that was the initial guess a while back right after we got the first afterlives, since it was the first tuesday after they'd all be out
just didn't work out that way
balmy condor
ye
inner tinsel
Any beta testers that can confirm that assassination is on pair with sub?
i want to be viable, but wanna stay assa
inner tinsel
what about mythics?
balmy condor
sin's the worst spec atm
inner tinsel
out of rogue or in general? xD
inner tinsel
ah i see. thanks 🙂
balmy condor
sub and outlaw both do more damage and have less of a reliance on vanish
outlaw has gouge
so it remains outlaw m+ meta
quaint sequoia
if they would bring back WoD combat I would happily play it in m+
inner tinsel
never played sub, might be switching when prepatch launches
hope it's not that difficult of a spec
balmy condor
yeah
inner tinsel
Good to hear
vague rock
assa is harder than sub because you can actually get bored doing nothing
quaint sequoia
lol
fallow otter
so it remains outlaw m+ meta
@balmy condor is bf spreading numbing now?
balmy condor
dunno
fallow otter
Without it, it won't be meta I suspect
glad tartan
what essences combo should I go 😄
fallow otter
For what
glad tartan
pure singel target
fallow otter
Do you have clf?
glad tartan
yeah but only rank 2
fallow otter
Ok bote major
Breath is locked in, the other 2 will depend on if you running full haste build and run CT etc
Are you haste build?
glad tartan
I have more haste then crit atm so yes
but what is better haste build or crit
fallow otter
Do you know how to run topgear sim?
glad tartan
no I dont 😦
fallow otter
If so we can give you more accurate info
Is there a command for sim whisp
Can't remember
glad tartan
oh u mean simc ? ingame or
balmy condor
a command?
fallow otter
Yeh simc in game
balmy condor
yeah /simc
glad tartan
yeah have done that now
balmy condor
can you send that here
fallow otter
Then paste into raidbots.com topgear
balmy condor
or that
fallow otter
Run a sim and us link
balmy condor
I have premium again cause I had to help a couple people
I'm not poor like stunkei anymore
balmy condor
well
I need your character
so you either need to send me your simc
or a link to your top gear
vital haven
@balmy condor you play a male night elf rogue?
fallow otter
I'm not poor like stunkei anymore
@balmy condor get those phat itters
balmy condor
@vital haven yes
vital haven
hmm
fallow otter
Our toons could be like Romeo and Juliet
fallow otter
I was about to ask for that
fallow otter
Looks like you ate some yoga mat bro
balmy condor
@vital haven I play belf not nelf my bad
vital haven
LOL
tiny granite
@vital haven tbh thats the proper way to play rogue in BFA lol
vital haven
nelf for sure
sand otter
So what legendary is everyone bum rushing for Sin?
jaunty crystal
grizzled jay
Bloodfang 😄
grizzled jay
it does now
surreal solar
zoldyck or dashing scoundrel for me
fallow otter
it does now
@grizzled jay oh real? I'm so outta the loop, gotta log back on beta again this weekend for more testing
fallow otter
Doesn't make it competitive for aoe?
balmy condor
not compared to zoldyck from what I've seen
surreal solar
zoldyck gives a consistent meaty execute window
balmy condor
ye
grizzled jay
fallow otter
How much hp did he have
grizzled jay
10.7m
vital haven
you got this you got this you got this you got this you got this you got this you got this
balmy condor
you got this you got this you got this you got this you got this you got this you got this
fallow otter
you got this you got this you got this you got doodle you got this you got this you got this
fallow otter
Extend!
balmy condor
drifting cosmos
Sub mainstream on SL? The channel is so active
verbal mantle
active =/= relevant
shrewd night
balmy condor
sub had a busted legendary and every fotm and their mother got on the hype train
drifting cosmos
Lol is that st busted or aoe busted or both?
balmy condor
well it was more than doubling their combo points
so I guess both
but it got nerfed pretty hard
so now its just all the demon hunter rejects and fotm rerollers who think they're giga brain for playing sub
drifting cosmos
I think if history repeats itself, it will be busted for real at some points
balmy condor
we don't touch the sub channel here
drifting cosmos
I saw the dh changes not sure about the numbers but playstle seems fun
shrewd night
Drain. The. Swamp.
shrewd night
Like, the more I hear about rogue and how they are being full shafted makes other option sounds more appealing
drifting cosmos
The real 10 apm spec at the beginning of the expansion ?!
verbal mantle
cozy 
pliant fractal
Every class in the game except priest thinks they are being shafted right now
shrewd night
The only classes getting shafted is monks and rogues. This is my ted-talk.
balmy condor
hard agree
verbal mantle
balmy condor
balmy condor
and lfr
verbal mantle
balmy condor
I see them in lfr
pliant fractal
Why is Rogue being shafted
austere grove
why are rogues being shafted?
verbal mantle
count the blueposts
balmy condor
we're 5 months behind every other class for tuning
verbal mantle
thats the first thing