#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3806

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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or mut env gar

crimson palm Sep 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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it depends

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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and what about env gar mut

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or env mut gar

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kekw

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:05 PM

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like I can't think of a situation where you MUST NOW refresh your garrote, and the envenom is gonna be like 4-5 seconds away from a mut

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and if it is, pool better

crimson palm Sep 17, 2020, 8:05 PM

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thats the point

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it removed the pooling factor

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it's w/e

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and probably gonna scale better with haste over the longer dur

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:06 PM

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well then its a nerf cause the dot is now 8 seconds and you're gonna override it

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so its a QoL buff for small brainers

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and an actual nerf for big brainers

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 8:07 PM

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@crimson palm Doomblade was always 8s on beta tho

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:07 PM

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that's what I heard as well

crimson palm Sep 17, 2020, 8:07 PM

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i havent touched assa on beta

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:07 PM

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so in the end, just a tooltip change

crimson palm Sep 17, 2020, 8:07 PM

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so no clue

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😄

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 8:07 PM

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was just letting you know

surreal solar Sep 17, 2020, 8:08 PM

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it was always 8 and it functions like ignite

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but, the dmg is very smol

winter moss Sep 17, 2020, 8:10 PM

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well i hope this is just the start of a tuning campaign and we get some buffs

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:23 PM

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how viable is Sin looking in SL, new to rogue. But decided to it make it my main alt for SL

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:23 PM

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looking fine for raids

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mythic+ is a little questionable atm

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but otherwise fine

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:24 PM

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i take it outlaw is still M+ king in SL

winter moss Sep 17, 2020, 8:24 PM

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so p much same as bfa

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:24 PM

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or am i wrong

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:24 PM

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yep

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:24 PM

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mmm, not a big fan of outlaw

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:25 PM

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welcome to the chill zone then :)

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:25 PM

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even with hidden blades is Sin not that great in keys?

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dont make me PeepoCry

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:26 PM

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hidden blades is only good cause the other options aren't great

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its anti-synergy to the playstyle

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poison bomb has design issues and rng

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crimson tempest just isn't strong enough on shorter pulls

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(this is all shadowlands btw, if you take hidden blades in bfa you're trolling)

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:28 PM

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right now im bfa im playing outlaw

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dont know anything about Sin in keys for bfa

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:29 PM

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ye, sin only works in keys atm because of SS

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and corruptions

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:31 PM

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outlaw does look better playstyle wise in beta without spamming roll the the bones

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:31 PM

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I tend to agree

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:32 PM

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i might actually enjoy outlaw with the changes

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:32 PM

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I probably won't KEK

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Outlaw

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kekw

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 8:33 PM

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this is The Weeb Zone

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get it right, Whispyr

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:33 PM

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that's Weebspyr to you, peasant

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 8:33 PM

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excuse u

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Who is Schmokspyr?

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:34 PM

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swamp peepohappy

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:34 PM

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ASyes

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Whispyr personal quarters

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kermit_pepe

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:37 PM

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swamp:
super wet ✅
slow and chill ✅
monster ✅
witches brewing love potions ✅

sin channel:
drippin as fuck ✅
pretty quiet ✅
whispyr ✅
wholesome vibes ✅

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where's the fucking difference

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:39 PM

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lul

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sin chan is most chill channel atm

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i didnt study enough about castle nathria yet
but i wonder of there will be a boss more favorable for sin

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than a ST target where sub should be ahead

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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bench is looking quite sin-friendly

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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lul

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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I think that's second to last boss?

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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im talkin about mythic prog ofc

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but idk

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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yea the bench prog

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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will see but id love to see one or two bosses

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for sin

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:43 PM

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huntsman seems like a pretty obvious candidate

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but its boss 2

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so kinda irrelevant

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:43 PM

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yeh I thought about it as well

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but kinda meh

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:44 PM

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i mean tbh, sin is probably gonna do similar damage after final tuning

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in ST

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:44 PM

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but also sub mastery affecting rupture more than sin mastery affecting rupture

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kinda yikes

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we'll have to see though

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and pray for heroic tuning to bring us back

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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kinda yeh lul

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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cause looks like sub is still ridiculous

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anyway, lunch time

strange python Sep 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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for all we know, sub can get destroyed tomorrow, and sin over buffed

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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happybear

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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it will be much clearer after hc tuning yeh

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as usual

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have a good lunch

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 8:49 PM

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whispyr ✅

whispyr 📉

fixed that for you

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:57 PM

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I am undoubtably the swamp monster of sin though

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tinfoil_pepe

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 8:58 PM

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i'd more call you the token furry

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Wow rude

fleet whale Sep 17, 2020, 8:58 PM

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i love how the slaughter tooltip was updated to say that you replace your poison with a more powerful lethal poison

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still just deadly poison but shadow damage lol

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Shadow > nature confirmed

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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5head blizzard

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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reroll sub

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Sin dead

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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nothing new

fleet whale Sep 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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that akaari nerf was kind of a joke tbh

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combo points are still there

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does shadow damage now

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Yeah and it’s actually not even a nerf cause deepening daggers apparently

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I didn’t think it would work

fleet whale Sep 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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that nerf

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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But apparently it works on undead racial

fleet whale Sep 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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is just further confirmation that few devs actually play rogue

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if any

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 9:00 PM

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So it’ll work on akaari’s too

cosmic forum Sep 17, 2020, 9:01 PM

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no confirmation yet on the cp's working

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just fyi

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Not documented that it doesn’t

cosmic forum Sep 17, 2020, 9:01 PM

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correct

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 9:02 PM

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So pretty safe to assume it still does

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shrugR

cosmic forum Sep 17, 2020, 9:02 PM

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unless it was a bug

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because it never states there should be cp's there

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so who knows

fleet whale Sep 17, 2020, 9:03 PM

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well placed steel is so good

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100% shiv damage

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like how can you beat that?

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 9:03 PM

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kekw

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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wait shiv does 6 dmg then?

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poggers

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Maybe even 9 if you crit

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Nah but shiv actually does some damage now

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It’s still not great

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But it’s not nonexistent anymore lmao

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 9:34 PM

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can't believe i didn't know this was datamined already monkaW

📎 unknown.png

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gonna be dank for Sin

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Not as dank as damage trinkets

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Voracity + https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/754548638402871375/unknown.png

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Simp Rogue 😌

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or Ocarina + Stone Legion trinket

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Stat trinkets though

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Big poop

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 9:56 PM

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@balmy condor Sepsis got added to Shiv +nature damage.

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 9:56 PM

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I know

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 9:56 PM

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big pogchamp

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 9:56 PM

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does it work with the shiv legendary

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that would be funny

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Tiny Toxic hasn't worked since Alpha

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So we can't test if it does or not

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 9:57 PM

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still broken?

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lul

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Also sepsis isn’t a poison

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So doubtful

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 9:57 PM

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just going off this

📎 unknown.png

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:00 PM

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What even is that

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 10:00 PM

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https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/compare/bd413cf70ff3...1b91cf7a2068#

GitHub

simulationcraft/simc

Simulationcraft engine/GUI. Contribute to simulationcraft/simc development by creating an account on GitHub.

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Looks like notepad++

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Oh you’re reading from github

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I see

grizzled jay Sep 17, 2020, 10:00 PM

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i trust

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Sepsis buff adding more power to the DoT makes the Conduit slightly stronger and if it also gets affected by Shiv.. 🤔

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I'll have to make a Night Fae Rogue rq and test it out

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:02 PM

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I fucking hate sepsis tbh

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:02 PM

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:c

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u wot

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:02 PM

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More stealth and vanish interaction for damage

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Is the opposite of what sin needs

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:03 PM

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I like it

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peperogue

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:04 PM

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You like having to vanish for damage when the other two specs can use it for utility?

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:04 PM

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it's one more button to press

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kekw

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:05 PM

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smh

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I just like the idea of Night Fae tbh

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since i don't have beta i can't say if i actually like it

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Anything that makes the stealth talent row stronger is bad in my book

low girder Sep 17, 2020, 10:07 PM

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but think of all the subt garrotes you could throw out in M+

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kekw

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:07 PM

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It sounds more intresting then "press this button for an infinite dot" or "you get a diffrent poison"

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Idc if it’s more interesting

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It’s stealth reliance

surreal solar Sep 17, 2020, 10:08 PM

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i just really want to stay away from mantle, so im with whispyr, if it means mantle, im staying away from night fae

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Stealth reliance is a fucking disaster

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Why do you guys dislike it so much tho

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:08 PM

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It’s stealth reliance
@balmy condor

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Bruh.jpg

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I’ve literally been saying why

surreal solar Sep 17, 2020, 10:08 PM

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mantle, was the most annoying thing for me in legion

low girder Sep 17, 2020, 10:08 PM

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idk with shadowlands both the other specs have big reliance too

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I liked mantle in legion

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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what

surreal solar Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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hated it

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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monkaW

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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No they don’t

low girder Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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count the odds conduit

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will be mandatory

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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What’s sub get from vanish

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Well the stealth reliance is only m+ tho

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and i fucking dispise m+

low girder Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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another slaughter hit kekw

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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burning piece of trash

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peepomad

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Wow great vanish kekw

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M+ is the only content that makes me happy

surreal solar Sep 17, 2020, 10:10 PM

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i'll still take bone spike at this point

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:10 PM

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I only do m+ because i'm bored and people need someone

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otherwise i'd never touch that shit

low girder Sep 17, 2020, 10:10 PM

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i'd need a stable group

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and i've never had one

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so it doesn't interest me, maybe in SL i'll get one

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:11 PM

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I’ve had stable groups but we’re still bad lul

low girder Sep 17, 2020, 10:11 PM

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lol

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:11 PM

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xD

low girder Sep 17, 2020, 10:11 PM

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yeah but then it's at least fun

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pugging isn't fun

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imo

verbal mantle Sep 17, 2020, 10:11 PM

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why you NA feelscryman

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:11 PM

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True

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Yeah why u NA

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pepehands

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:12 PM

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EU friendly stream tomorrow dw navi PepeHands

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Are you kidding me?

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I'm not home tomorrow

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peepomad

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:12 PM

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LULchamp

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Y u do dis

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Path of exile league man

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:14 PM

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But yeah, for m+ i can see how stealth reliance is annoing, but for raiding i really like it

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:14 PM

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I don’t make the rules

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Atal has 3 vanish skips

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:14 PM

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i only do +15s

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Which means as sin

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:15 PM

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and some +20s when people force me

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:15 PM

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You fucking done for lul

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:15 PM

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i don't use vanish and vendetta 70% of the time because i forget i can use it on adds

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kekw

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m+ god

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 10:16 PM

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nkoYikes

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 10:16 PM

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8.3 is the first time i actually did some m+

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so yeah

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Since i had a break since ToS

vital haven Sep 17, 2020, 11:41 PM

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You eu or na @normal olive ?

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 11:42 PM

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he's eu

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 11:49 PM

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EU

fair ether Sep 17, 2020, 11:51 PM

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is assassination still good for pvp or sub is first now ?

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 11:52 PM

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#pvp

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peepostudy

fair ether Sep 17, 2020, 11:54 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/bye-slide-baby-later-peace-out-gif-12999722

Tenor

balmy copper Sep 17, 2020, 11:58 PM

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rip celerity now?

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 11:58 PM

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yes

balmy copper Sep 17, 2020, 11:58 PM

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god dammit

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 11:58 PM

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only outlaw now

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 11:58 PM

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no

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its not

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 11:58 PM

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didn't they change it?

balmy copper Sep 17, 2020, 11:58 PM

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sub channel says it's not proccing

balmy condor Sep 17, 2020, 11:58 PM

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celerity change is literally just a tooltip change

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is it not proccing off of snd anymore?

balmy copper Sep 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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not when spec'd as sub, no

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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nah whispyr is right

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still says during SnD

balmy copper Sep 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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I mean I know it's a tooltip change

surreal solar Sep 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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it's Adrenaline only on wowhead

balmy copper Sep 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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I mean they aren't gaining AR with SnD rolling

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from what i've read

normal olive Sep 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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"Adrenaline Rush increases your damage by 15%, and you have a chance while Slice and Dice is active to gain the Adrenaline Rush effect for 4 sec."

balmy copper Sep 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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if anyone could test that'd be great lol

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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People in sub were saying it doesn't proc anymore

balmy copper Sep 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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yep

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

normal olive Sep 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Gotta test it

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but no beta

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Don't have beta though

balmy copper Sep 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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me neither

normal olive Sep 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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peepomad

balmy copper Sep 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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no beta club unite

surreal solar Sep 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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not meant to have it anyways, it's an outlaw legendary

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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no beta lul

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I have to take people's word on it as well

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it looked like just a tooltip change

fleet whale Sep 18, 2020, 12:21 AM

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unless if blizz specifically says it

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stuff like celerity not working for Sin or sub probably won't be visible in datamined notes

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like akaari's no longer grants extra cps

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even though the datamining doesn't actually mention that

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:22 AM

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yeah

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there's just so many things that might be bugs

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or might not be bugs

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and not documented anywhere

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and no communication

fleet whale Sep 18, 2020, 12:40 AM

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now if was live and akaari got the cp part remove

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there would likely be hotfix notes on it

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:40 AM

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yeah

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but its beta

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so fuck us I guess

fleet whale Sep 18, 2020, 12:41 AM

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blizz doesn't usually post beta hotfix notes

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:41 AM

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akaari just loses all the cp kek test it yourself nerds

vast forum Sep 18, 2020, 12:44 AM

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i'll go test celerity 🙂

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Pog

vast forum Sep 18, 2020, 12:46 AM

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well

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idk how long i should hit the dummy for

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but it's not proccing on sub

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:46 AM

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that we knew

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probably doesn't work in sin either

vast forum Sep 18, 2020, 12:47 AM

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gonna test it on assa too i guess

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:47 AM

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but can you test that for me?

vast forum Sep 18, 2020, 12:47 AM

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ye testing

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idk what the proc rate is supposed to be but >1 min in, 0 procs 😄

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Yep

balmy copper Sep 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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rip

fleet whale Sep 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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i mean the leggo was pretty clearly designed for outlaw

vast forum Sep 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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procs pretty often for outlaw 😄

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so yea, fixed

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:50 AM

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poggers

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akaari cp gone
celerity gone

balmy copper Sep 18, 2020, 12:51 AM

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it's designed for outlaw but working cross spec wasn't that bad tbh

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:51 AM

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dashing, unchanged

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shh

balmy copper Sep 18, 2020, 12:51 AM

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when it's clearly better for outlaw already

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:51 AM

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don't tell blizz

fleet whale Sep 18, 2020, 12:51 AM

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I'm not a fan of cross speccing cd's

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 12:51 AM

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I also am not much of a fan

gray marlin Sep 18, 2020, 1:14 AM

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celerity not working anymore on sub or sin?

pallid mesa Sep 18, 2020, 1:14 AM

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correct, as it should be

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Yep, outlaw only

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Dashing going to remain how it is imo, you guys expecting it to get nerfed a bit?

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Dashing? eh, maybe

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prolly not though

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Whispr is expecting the nerfs I can feel it

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Have faith dood

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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I’m expecting nurfs

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I want zoldyck m+ poison dream

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Buff slaughter poison like the “empowered” or whatever said

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Pair it with the fok poison stuff

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Big poison m+

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Zoldyck for bleed and poison single target

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Fuck ma, reverse synergy with subterfuge

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I’m here for it

jolly comet Sep 18, 2020, 1:38 AM

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that would be awesome imo too

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:43 AM

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All they need to do is make poison bomb 15x stronger

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And we’d basically be back to legion

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Pog

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 1:46 AM

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peepochrist

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Be good if we don't need to vanish for damage

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I agree

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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to be clear i just don't want poison bomb to be back to legion levels

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rest is cool

jolly comet Sep 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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didnt PB only proc on envenom in legion?

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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they changed it to rupture as well at some point

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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I just want it to do damage

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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yeah the pb part is a meme

surreal solar Sep 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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i think it did both but it had a like, 5% chance

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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I'm actually sort of interested in hidden blades

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its fresh

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cause it sucked so bad all expac

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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Actually

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Fuck sins last row

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:50 AM

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tru

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 1:50 AM

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CT I'm alright with

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But it's gotta be one of the weakest last rows for a class

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Feels like it

jolly comet Sep 18, 2020, 1:51 AM

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yea the RNG on PB is lame would be better as a cd

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:51 AM

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It was controllable tho

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:51 AM

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it wasn't tho

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:51 AM

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If you tracked the time from the last PB, you could kinda guess when the next one was coming more or less

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:52 AM

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oh

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Like if you are finishing a pull and it has been +40 secs since the last one

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:52 AM

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that's what you mean

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yuck

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:52 AM

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You hold envenom

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:52 AM

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I hated that

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:52 AM

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And you had 1 for the next pull for sure

lost portal Sep 18, 2020, 1:52 AM

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It wasn't trackable at all

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I had a vari pull with 1 proc

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It was pure rng

surreal solar Sep 18, 2020, 1:52 AM

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yeah, it was rng

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:52 AM

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I spent 1 hour on the dummies testing it

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It was rng

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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You compare PB or hidden blades to darksoul what a joke bro

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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but it was quite consistent

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with a few outliners

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Like 80% of the time, with +1 min since last PB

surreal solar Sep 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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because on a 1min 30sec M Harj pull, i had it doing 17% of my dmg, other times it was 7% or 12%

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its random

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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you could get one in the next 2 envenoms or so

surreal solar Sep 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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never controlled

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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I don't remember the numbers exactly anymore

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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yeah I think its rng as well

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but I hated the fact that you would pray

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Noadays I think it's different

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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for a pb on opener

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:53 AM

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nowadays*

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:54 AM

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I don't think you could ever track it though

surreal solar Sep 18, 2020, 1:54 AM

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*pray for tanks to not move out of pb

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:54 AM

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You could 100%

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:54 AM

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weakaura to scream when your pb procced in m+

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:54 AM

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I had a notepad with all the procs

surreal solar Sep 18, 2020, 1:54 AM

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i could get pbs, but tanks would literally scoot out

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:54 AM

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a notepad

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well

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that settles it

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:54 AM

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No man, but what I mean

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I tested using envenoms instaly after getting a proc

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and then waiting X time after one

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I think with 2 mins since last one, you had a proc almsot for sure

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But this was in legion

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the way it works got changed I believe

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And the dmg got nerfed enough not to make it worht to track

grizzled jay Sep 18, 2020, 1:55 AM

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why can't we have an item like this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/370393981021978626/756330810398867516/unknown.png

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:55 AM

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wasn't work tracking to begin with kekchamp

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also that staff with the stat changes

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omega rip

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:56 AM

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It was a +1 million dmg proc on pulls

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 1:56 AM

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1 haste item instantly taking you to 20% DR

vestal dune Sep 18, 2020, 1:56 AM

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at the end of pulls you could avoid using 1 or 2 envenoms

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and secure one PB proc on the next one

wispy quail Sep 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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SL Question: Is shrouded suffocation built into anything moving forward? Furthermore, will assassination play similarly in m+, with garrote openers, poisons and ruptures?

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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in terms of shrouded suffocation, no, there's nothing like it in SL

wispy quail Sep 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Kk

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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it should play fairly similar in M+

wispy quail Sep 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Thx!

honest vessel Sep 18, 2020, 3:22 AM

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seems like celerity doesnt work on sin anymore? anyone else havin the same results?

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 3:25 AM

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it's apparently been locked to outlaw only, yeah

manic harness Sep 18, 2020, 3:48 AM

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I heard something about Venthyr and Slaughter Poison outscaling Bone Spike at some higher conduit level?

honest vessel Sep 18, 2020, 3:52 AM

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for sub

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since they get way more outta slaughter

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 3:52 AM

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it didn't quite outscale for sub before this build

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got closer than it does for sin though

honest vessel Sep 18, 2020, 3:52 AM

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? thats not what i remember seeing from fuu's sims

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but i mean, they arent super important, since its at max conduit level

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 3:53 AM

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oh i reversed them

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kekw

honest vessel Sep 18, 2020, 3:53 AM

#

o

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 3:53 AM

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yeah, venthyr wins, but anyway, it's not bad for sin

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but doesn't quite get there

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(with conduits)

honest vessel Sep 18, 2020, 3:53 AM

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!bugs

prisma monolithBOT Sep 18, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 3:55 AM

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there's a lot of tuning to go still though, so no reason to pick now

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Yeah the whole “empowered poison”

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Is ominous

lavish turret Sep 18, 2020, 4:13 AM

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I'm behind on the news, but so far venthyr is the worst (currently) for rogues out of the 4 covenants. BUT I WANT TO PLAY IT FOR THE CLASS FANTASY. BUT I DON'T WANNA SUCK. 😩

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:14 AM

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uh, no

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kyrian is worst lol

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for now

lavish turret Sep 18, 2020, 4:14 AM

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oh?

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Kyrian is BY FAR the worst

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:15 AM

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How are we looking come prepatch? Is Ass gonna still be top dog, or is it gonna tank? And how are we looking at Artifact traits? I've been told Heart is just gonna be... gone?

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Like ain’t even close bad

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Heart is fine

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Traits are fine

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Essences are fine

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Literally just corruptions gone

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:15 AM

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the only time it's good vs venthyr is if you use literally nothing, no conduits, nothing

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Take your haste set that you use now

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:15 AM

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and even then, the other two stomp it

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Take alacrity if you’re missing sockets and mythic pieces

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And gg

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Also, Kyrian is so solid, I love not being able to benefit from it because crit chance gives extra combo points so we will never be able to use the ability 🙄

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:16 AM

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I had prepatch sims laying around here somewhere

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Cause someone else asked

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Let me get back to my pc

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I’m on a walk atm

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Comfy

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Walk > Sims

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Definitely not

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Walks are dumb and stupid but it’s warm inside and my therapist said I should try going on walks

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Anyways

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Blindside seemed mega suck

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Heart is fine
@balmy condor how you going to activate it

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:18 AM

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^^

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Heart as in the necklace

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Not the trait

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Trait is poop

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Take np or something

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Crit build going to be the pog

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:18 AM

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All the bis raid stuff has np or dd on them

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I didn’t sim full crit build

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Gibbering, Gorak, and Tortured would all be Nothing Personal D:

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:19 AM

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But from what I saw

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Dd/poison < bleed

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Cause no Tb

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:19 AM

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yeah no shiv r2 til 58

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:19 AM

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You mean exsang?

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Exsang was also simming higher for fully geared people

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No, I mean tb

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Nah I mean

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Exsang is bleed?

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Yes

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:20 AM

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was beating alacrity?

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we get a few more weeks out of it then

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:20 AM

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For fully poppin mythic people yeah

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Like full haste stats and iris/memory

lavish turret Sep 18, 2020, 4:21 AM

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exsang has worked best

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Was still pumping like 56-57 apm

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Im in that pile

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:21 AM

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At 50ish% haste

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When you got 55ish APM, that 10% from alacrity kinda suck

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:21 AM

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I keep forgetting that Rogues are a pooling class because of all this haste

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:21 AM

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What did you sim? Just no corruptions?

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Simcraft manual?

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:22 AM

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No corruption, memory, I changed all the hearts out for np/dd/etc

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Goraks

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Ah yep kk

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Yeah on the beta branch

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Also set level to 50 obviously

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Which is probably why the haste is so high

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Memory kinda carries apm super hard

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And the guy I was simming

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:24 AM

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Ye

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:24 AM

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Was like 42% haste baseline

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Without any corruptions

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:24 AM

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i think i'm higher than that on ptr

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lmao

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Yeah he had a couple crit/mast pieces

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Once I gem haste maybe even wrath trinket?

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Probably not

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If you’re playing exsang the burst is still too good

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It’s still 3x SS and goraks and all that

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:25 AM

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yeah ss still makes it nuts

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Why not still clock

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:26 AM

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i lied, i'm at 36%

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got a couple crit gems though

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Goraks beats clock

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Exsang simmed best for me on prog when I had literally no expedient yeah

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Even 3m?

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Are they changing what is offered in the Heart of Darkness slot? because with Gibbering/Gorak/Tortured it would wind up being 3x SS and 3x NP

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Clock got buffed by exped

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Ye

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Why would you take NP on gorak

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???

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Lol

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Blightborne is insane

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Ye bi is bigboi

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Oh I derped, Gorak isnt HoD lol

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The other two tho

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Hod would be from the ilg shoulders

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Don’t use those

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:P

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Are they bad

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:27 AM

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NP isn't terrible even on live

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it'll be fine

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Yeah but goraks is strictly better

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:28 AM

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i meant on the other 2 pieces

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Yeh though the energy is quite redundant with the expedients

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Yeah

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Np on the others is good

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:28 AM

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We probably won’t have the haste to play ct anymore

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:28 AM

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def not

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Definitely not

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Im ready for np ss vop major meme exsang build

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:28 AM

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we still blindside when you checked?

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blindside exsang sounds fun

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Blindside poggering

lavish turret Sep 18, 2020, 4:29 AM

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i'm not big on blindside

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Seems unlikely though given EP in exsang window is probably pretty wild

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:29 AM

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yeah idk

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Here, the TLDR
Ptr sin is the same as live except for:

Blindside sucks because we have high apm, high EP uptime
Poison bomb > ct
Change all your hods out
Equip memory again

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That’s it

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:30 AM

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As long as you’re wearing shrouded it seems unlikely

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:30 AM

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rip

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Lucid minor yet again

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Hello darkness my old friend

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:30 AM

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BotE // EotFI+BotD+MLD?

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Did anyone sim without breath, I mean it's always been awesome but also required until now

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Probably clf

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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EotFI

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What the fuck is that

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Iris

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Iris

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Holy shit just call it iris then

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Capital I is a baby l

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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lmao

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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I read it 3 times and got it

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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The acronym is legit longer than the short hand

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Wtf my dude

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Seems fine kekw

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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I was on a roll!

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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What is mld

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Breath is still pog

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Btw

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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I don’t want to use my brain anymore

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Just for damage

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Memory lucid dreams

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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I thought your shift button was broke

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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I assume

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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...

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Because then we got lazy

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And forgot the “of”

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Lucid, iris, breathe

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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^

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Blood // Iris+Breath+Memories gahd

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Very easy very clear

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

#

Blood was simming higher last I checked

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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It's MofLD guyd

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

#

makes sense tbh

#

no haste amp

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

#

Yeah

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Than rock man?

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Oh yeah

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Get it right

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:33 AM

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I guess it’s a haste % amp

#

Kinda like lust or meta or incarn

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:33 AM

#

And also with CLF you would have to replace the bote/breath/Iris minor with memory/breath/iris

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And that’s kinda rip

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:33 AM

#

first time we've had nerfed CLF without exp holding it up

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:33 AM

#

So bote/memory/iris/breath

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Yes

#

CLF, probably not

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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back to prog essences

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woo

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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CLF is dead to me, because I don't have it, so... that's good. Healthy.

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Man prog essences were wv major for me

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Ah

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Found the sim

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Big tb gaming

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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📎 image0.png

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

#

our melee dropped WV so fast

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lmao

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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What

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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It's shocking to me that MofLD isn't catching on peepoguns

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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idk no one used it after like maut

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Look at all that blindside at the bottom

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KEK

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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I’m not playing tb deeper subterfuge

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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It can stay there imo

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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I literally

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Rather do less damage

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

there's no TB

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Yeah that was with alacrity

lavish turret Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

is poison referring to poison bomb

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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It says poison vs bleed

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Oh

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

yeah, but TB is gone

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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shiv PES_CoolNerd

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Poison = Posion bomb, or... Master Poisoner? Don't hate me more, please.

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

and shiv with TB stuff is 58, so

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rip

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Nah nah nah

#

“Poison” is the shorthand I used

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Oh yeah we get shiv default

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

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For dd builds

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

Inb4 dps requirement for killing nzoth is 1k pogu

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

It’s just like a crit build atm

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

we're gonna lose buttons kinda

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Wait what is the opener with shiv exsang

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

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you don't shiv

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

Yeah

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

not in prepatch

#

no dmg amp until SL

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

Shiv does nothing in pretach

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

... wat

#

So we just

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

it's lvl 58 for the r2

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lol

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

Lose tb

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

You don’t cast shiv

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

yeah

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Thanks blizz

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

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haHAA

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

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and replace CT with SND

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ggez

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Ah

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Fml

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:37 AM

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So alacrity vs exsang then?

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Yeah

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Surely exsang with shrouded and like a galecallers or something would own

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:38 AM

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That’s “bleed” in the middle

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Compared to just the base haste

#

Oh

#

I guess it doesn’t own

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:38 AM

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well corruption is gone w/the prepatch right

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:38 AM

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This is gonna be some venom rush tier gaming

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Hahaha

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:38 AM

#

100% not

#

Fuck that noise

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Yeah but exsang simmed better for me before I got any expedient

#

No but effectively the gameplay is the same

#

As if you had vr

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Sure

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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failfish

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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I felt 8 people cringe reading that @bleak spoke hahaha

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Like tb or exsang are just such a big part of your experience as sin idk

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Rotation gonna feel so fucking empty

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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VR peophammer

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Wat

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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If we don’t have shiv to press

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Prepatch always fucked

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Virtual Reality

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

#

Venom rush

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

#

Venom rush

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

#

Agree to disagree blobshrug

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Vdead Rtalent

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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i dont even know what venom rush does

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Nah he’s right that it’s empty in prepatch

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

#

that is how foreign a talent it is to me

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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It reduces mutilate cost

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By 5

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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if the target is poisoned

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Lowers cast cost of muti

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

#

it's awful

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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It’s fucking awful

#

Yeah

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

#

literally never been used since it got changed to that

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Not just awful for damage but also awful to play

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

#

What we going to change the macro button to do? /dance?

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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It reduces now? No longer a refund? lol

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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It’s a refund

#

But it’s the same thing

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Not exactly but I’m being pedantic

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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lol

ruby ibex Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Shallow and pedantic

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

#

Refund and reduce is the same thing realistically

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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That difference is only important for subtlety innit

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

#

it's just so we don't break shit with some interactions

#

that they could add

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Like if deepening wasnt a refund but a cost reduction

#

It would be way more forgiving

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Whisp just going to have an empty hole where exsang used to be coz he drags it down every respec

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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i feel like im going to play sub and just forget sin exists

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Err not deepening, I meant relentless

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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until its effective again

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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XD

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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The 6e/cp spent passive

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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until sub gets balanced, you mean

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kekw

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Just play your exsang build in prepatch

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It’ll be fine

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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The macro lives!

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Nah gonna be playing outlaw

marble tartan Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Imagine pressing exsang when you only have 3 secs on your dots left thisisfine

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Like 4% behind

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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With both blood and bte amp

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Not that bad

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Im going to play affliction

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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exsang haHAA

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Gonna be fun

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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i'll play all of em

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what else is prepatch for

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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ye same

marble tartan Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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@fallow otter stop that cringe war

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Yeah obviously gonna just relearn all specs

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Though I don’t think sin will take much

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Prepatch is a meme fiesta

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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it won't, i haven't played sub in 2+ years

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so that's what i'll be focusing on

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Subtlety will take a while

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Last time was uldir for me

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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yeah i lost track of time

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so 1.5 years

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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It’s been a while yeah

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I’m pretty excited tbh

marble tartan Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Uldir is like a weird one

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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nah sub feels easy to me after playing it on the beta for a few hours

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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gotta wait for a boss for that

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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I tried it a bit on ptr and it feels more forgiving

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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i fought a target dummy for 2 hours

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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At least on a target dummy

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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@icy ember have another go now that akaaris doesn't give cp

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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ye i bet dance feels reduced kekBomb

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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TFD and inevitability with new sub kekw

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Prepatch gonna be big meme

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Always has been

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Wits with new flurry too

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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no wits MonkaChrist

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Really feels like sin got nothing

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Ohhh yeh

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Man I’m gonna miss wits, even this shitty version of it

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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gonna miss SS

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tbh

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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I mean... Sub probs the fun thing to do for prepatch

icy ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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^

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Shrouded combo points yeah

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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was hoping they'd add it in somewhere

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oh well

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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It actually just feels so good

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Yeah they should have just baked it into subterfuge

jaunty crystal Sep 18, 2020, 4:50 AM

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damn I didn't even think about missing that

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but now I'm sad

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:50 AM

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i think they'd have to do a big pass on the other two talents if they did

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which i mean, they should anyway

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:51 AM

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i mean nightstalker is so janky

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:51 AM

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All the sin talents need a looking at

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It’s all janky

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:51 AM

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why does MA exist

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lol

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if they're bringing the leggo back

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:51 AM

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could make it so any crit over 100% converts to bonus damage

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then you could be the master master assassin assassin

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:52 AM

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comboooooost

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wait

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:52 AM

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no that spec is dead

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:53 AM

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kekw

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:53 AM

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apparently fires don't spread if there aren't phoenixes around

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 4:53 AM

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well yeah, that's how it works IRL too

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damn phoenixes

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:53 AM

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lots of phoenixes on the west coast of the us right now monkaS

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Can vouch for Phoenixes

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 4:54 AM

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you'd think that after so many rebirths they wouldn't need any more gender reveal parties

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okay that's enough this is a spec channel me sorry

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Might just be pigeons on Fire though

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Next you gonna tell me I can't cook on my combooosted mages

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 5:01 AM

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they should be flagged as campfires

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why not

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 5:10 AM

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They already are

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 5:13 AM

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oh shit lmao

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how did i not know this

fallow otter Sep 18, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Can cook off rag pet also

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 5:26 AM

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that i knew at least

gloomy knoll Sep 18, 2020, 8:22 AM

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lots of phoenixes on the west coast of the us right now < monkaS the one time I come into assassination 😂

placid dawn Sep 18, 2020, 9:07 AM

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I want prepatch already, im tired of corruption 😦

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:07 AM

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agree 🙂 they sucks 🙂

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Whoever thought corruption was a better idea over titanforging must have been out of their mind

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And I can't believe I am saying that

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:08 AM

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tbh i am really happy about the m+ loot nerf..

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so raid will be more relevant.. .. old times taste imho

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:09 AM

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Same

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Covenants are going to be a mess though. Thank god I am part of a raiding guild that doesn't really care which one you pick because I really dislike necrolord aesthetic hahaha

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:09 AM

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m+ imho were just mhe..

winter moss Sep 18, 2020, 9:09 AM

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ahem

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#wow-general

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:09 AM

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i will go fae i think

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cause bonespike will get nerfed for sure

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and i think sepsis give us more stuff..

placid dawn Sep 18, 2020, 9:10 AM

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On prepatch, we won't even be using shiv right? since it does nothing

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so, is the rotation literally maintain bleeds and env?

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Shiv basically functions the same as toxic blade on live

placid dawn Sep 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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isnt the shiv nature damage for lvl 56 though?

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so at 50 it just does the poison thing

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Let me log in to beta and check

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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who cares about prepatch 🙂 shiv for assa will be like tocis blade so

placid dawn Sep 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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not on prepatch though

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Correct. You will not be pressing shiv in prepatch

placid dawn Sep 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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my guild will raid since a couple guys are missing mounts

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Seems very strange to add shiv in to the rotation whilst leveling later

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It changes from utility to core rotation ability

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:13 AM

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imho on prepatch just play as usual .. no prob

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Why would you intentionally hit a button that doesn't do anything

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Lol

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:13 AM

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true 🙂

placid dawn Sep 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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we are slowly becoming a 2 button spec

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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the thing i will miss will be SS

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Sin has always been easy

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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well we are low apm class tbh

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maintain bleeds that asllo

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alll

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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We're not. We have snd, the two dots, exsang is still used in prepatch assuming you're well geared

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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i dont like snd on assa but i will see 🙂

placid dawn Sep 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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forgot about snd, at least thats something

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we might even use blindside POG

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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recupricate return when

strange python Sep 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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We have improved poison on prepatch?

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Like the rank 2 thing? No

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Tbh idk if it even works yet.

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Was bugged last build still at least

strange python Sep 18, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Ok, i would like to play with mp again

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Can I rant about how stupid slaughter is for sin

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:17 AM

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I mean you can, but it's better for us than it is for outlaw

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:17 AM

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It does the exact same damage as ambush only it leaves a dot. It's so uninspired

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:17 AM

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That's what the conduit is for

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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What does the conduit do?

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20200918-051842_Chrome.jpg

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Still seems a tad uninspired

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Kinda

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:19 AM

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I guess it kind of fits the theme of sin being the easier rogue spec but come on

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It's that I am a sucker for vampires or otherwise I would be truly lost on what covenant to pick

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:20 AM

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It's not just a sin thing though

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:20 AM

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I know

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Also it works with blindside

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So it's aight

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Bone spike still king for now though

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Not sure if they're leaving bone spike as it is, but considering that rogues did not get a lot of attention during the beta I'm assuming they're leaving it how it is

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Tuning only just started, there's still lots to do

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:22 AM

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I guess

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If they do, my guess is that the Kyrian ability gets a buff as well

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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I'm sure that one will get looked at, in one way or another

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:24 AM

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The animacharging of the combo point is what I have the most issue with though

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Is most people's biggest issue. Wouldn't be too hard to remake, if that's what they want. Probably too late for that though.

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I just expect some sort of dmg buff

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Yeah, and to be honest, it sucks but it's also understandable compared to the dumpster fire some classes were like shadow priest

low girder Sep 18, 2020, 9:29 AM

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It does, but I think they can play around within the ability they've made and make it a bit less frustrating to play. We'll see.

full bear Sep 18, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Based on the name, I think a rework where the ability "mimics" your finishers for a limited time for extra damage would be kickass

vale marten Sep 18, 2020, 9:31 AM

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has any1 tried using sepsis with nighstalker? does the whole dot duration gets 20% damage increase?

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:32 AM

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subterfuge wiht sepsis imho is better

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but we have to wait and see

vale marten Sep 18, 2020, 9:33 AM

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subterfuge only works with garrote tho, thats why im asking cuz a 20% increase on full sepsis dot could be big

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 9:35 AM

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i see it give 10% mov increase and 12% damage increase while stealth is active

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20% mov increase

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or am i wrong ^

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?

vale marten Sep 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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righ, could be but still

shrewd night Sep 18, 2020, 10:01 AM

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12% is for sub

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 11:58 AM

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The kyrian ability is so zzzz, they’d have to fully rework it or make it the best by far for me to run it

crimson palm Sep 18, 2020, 12:07 PM

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feelscryman

tender folio Sep 18, 2020, 1:50 PM

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I'm probably choosing Venthyr , don't care about bonespike, since I dislike Necrolords zone

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Plus the tmog is way better

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 1:52 PM

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uh oh

meager arch Sep 18, 2020, 2:13 PM

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does sepsis activate master assassin?

crimson palm Sep 18, 2020, 2:17 PM

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no

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but vanish does'

keen dome Sep 18, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Both for MA talent and MA leggo?

fleet ginkgo Sep 18, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Is Sub rogue still looking the strongest for Shadowlands ?

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for Pvp?

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 3:02 PM

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the world is your playground

forest garden Sep 18, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Nobody knows

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Safest bet is make sure you have a weapon set for outlaw and one for sub/sin

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 3:14 PM

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in terms of pvp, outlaw is very doubtful to be a serious contender imo

bleak spoke Sep 18, 2020, 3:23 PM

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I mean you just need 3 weapons to have a weapon set

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Dagger is better in outlaw offhand anyway when weapons don’t have special effects

shrewd night Sep 18, 2020, 3:27 PM

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wrong channel lmao

drowsy pond Sep 18, 2020, 3:53 PM

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against 3+ enemies is it better to spam fan of knives as a combo generator?

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 3:55 PM

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live or sl?

drowsy pond Sep 18, 2020, 4:07 PM

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live

honest vessel Sep 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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depends on how many eb you're running

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i think with any eb you use FoK even on 2 target

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assuming you got enough crit for it

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without that stuff its 3 target to apply poisons if any of the 3 are missing them

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but you dont spam FoK until later

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i think 4

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but that might be outdated

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whysper will be along to correct me

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🙂

drowsy pond Sep 18, 2020, 5:14 PM

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eb?

sick scarab Sep 18, 2020, 5:16 PM

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echoing blades

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I heard my name

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Fok on 2 with eb, 3 without, 4 with vendetta

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With 2 Eb you can start overcapping

vast forum Sep 18, 2020, 5:41 PM

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with DD you fok on like 6+ 😄

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with 3xDD you fok on 8 i think

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 5:42 PM

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DD is add 1 more

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Multiple DD is add 1 more

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So vendetta with 3 dd is 6 I wanna say

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2 dd is also 6

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Id have to check though

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Dd logic is kinda

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PainsChamp

drifting cloud Sep 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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whats dd? sounds like a long forgotten memory

grizzled jay Sep 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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what should have been in place of Alacrity

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Feels like it should be baseline tbh

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Mutilate/envenom pooling isn’t really a baseline mechanic outside of shiv

grizzled jay Sep 18, 2020, 5:46 PM

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even in TB/Shiv it isn't a real mechanic

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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ye

grizzled jay Sep 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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but at least DD as a talent would allow Sin to specialize in Crit (DD) or Haste (Exsang) which is nice.

amber quail Sep 18, 2020, 5:56 PM

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dunno why them did'n mint to port this in talents for SL...

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by talents and legos sin might be good by the start...i hope them change/fix patch-by-patch as usual

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sub will be the start

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not enough stats in early for sin to be competitive right now

pseudo hamlet Sep 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Did they officially announce pre-patch date?

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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no

amber quail Sep 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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about 2weeks later? this wen

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FB channel

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some friends told me and minding this fit the neck fullfill

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 6:01 PM

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nothing has been put out

amber quail Sep 18, 2020, 6:01 PM

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dunno cause i'm freezed for beta by august

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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hm?

dull crypt Sep 18, 2020, 6:10 PM

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we putting our bets on very last minute announced sept 29th or very late october 5th

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3 week prepatch seems short

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 6:12 PM

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theres only legit 2 weeks worth of questline so i dont see a long prepatch

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since itll likely be chaos

fleet whale Sep 18, 2020, 6:14 PM

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i wouldn't mind if blizz delayed SL

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so it can be more polished

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 6:15 PM

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lmfao

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theres 0 chance of that happening though

loud light Sep 18, 2020, 6:15 PM

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the bulk of prepatch benefit for blizzard is finding deployment issues or bugs in the class changes so they can be fixed before SL goes live

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shrinking that window is spooky

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god help them

fleet whale Sep 18, 2020, 6:16 PM

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legion pre-patch was like 6 weeks

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and the cata one was quite long too

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 6:16 PM

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those released in august

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legion did

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and cata released in december

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so either it would get knocked back wayyy to december

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or stay as is

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mainly due to holidays and the raid opening

tender garden Sep 18, 2020, 6:20 PM

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You mean mainly do to Cyberpunk release 😆

placid dawn Sep 18, 2020, 6:20 PM

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SS shoiuld have been a talent

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instead we have bootleg MA

fleet whale Sep 18, 2020, 6:23 PM

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problem is SS kind of needed subter to work well

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if SS and subter are on the same row, dead talent

delicate bone Sep 18, 2020, 6:26 PM

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i dont think many people care about th cyberpunk release lol

placid dawn Sep 18, 2020, 6:33 PM

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SS is also good just for the extra CPs

jolly comet Sep 18, 2020, 6:38 PM

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take away venom rush and give SS

fair otter Sep 18, 2020, 6:52 PM

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I am for that

honest vessel Sep 18, 2020, 7:17 PM

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a talent tier with SS and DD in it would be sick

vast forum Sep 18, 2020, 7:19 PM

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ss maybe

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but dd is boring af

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 7:20 PM

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but is it more boring than alacrity

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Hmmmm

vast forum Sep 18, 2020, 7:20 PM

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yes

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100%

balmy condor Sep 18, 2020, 7:20 PM

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ye you right

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kekw

vast forum Sep 18, 2020, 7:20 PM

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if anything

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alac in dungeons

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you can use slice and dice between pulls if you're shrouding or smt so you don't drop stacks

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there's 0 gameplay implication on DD

grizzled jay Sep 18, 2020, 7:28 PM

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m+ players Weirdchamp

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DD impacts your gearing choice, which is more than Alacrity can ever do

vast forum Sep 18, 2020, 7:28 PM

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ppl who think dd is a well-designed trait FeelsWeird

grizzled jay Sep 18, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Alacrity also just makes Exsang a dead talent

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Even at high haste, Alac is better than Exsang