assassination

[balmy condor]

"beginner talent"

[fleet anchor]

Well it serves a bad purpose there too because it's just a noob trap

[balmy condor]

as if hitting tb on cooldown wasn't beginner friendly enough

[crimson palm]

Hidden blades still exists

And it's worse than VR

[balmy condor]

just wait till shadowlands

;)

[fleet whale]

well when i brought it up miz questioned why VR needs to be replaced...

[fleet anchor]

At least Hidden Blades was like following some logic

"Oh this legendary some people used sometimes seems kinda cool I guess"

Venom Rush was like "quick we need a talent ASAP"

[crimson palm]

They can replace hb with eb trait

And we gucci

[low girder]

could've just not nerfed it

[fleet anchor]

Yeah that's not a terrible idea

[low girder]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fleet whale]

replace VR with kingsbane

or make VR the legion version

10 energy per bleed tick

[low girder]

^

well not 10 on top, it makes it 10

lol

[fleet whale]

with hasted bleeds

that could at least be somewhat viable

[fleet anchor]

Buffing VV would at least be maybe possibly useful

[fleet whale]

right now that whole row is just alacrity

[fleet anchor]

But yeah the current design blows

[fleet whale]

the other two talents might as well not exist

[fleet anchor]

Lock and load

[fleet whale]

really the only row for sin

that's like that

[fleet anchor]

Well probably back to PB>All again but we'll see

[fleet whale]

CT could still be used

in heavy aoe

[fleet anchor]

Maybe but didn't look too hot last time I checked

[low girder]

HB might be ok with guaranteed crit right

not like, bis

[fleet whale]

how dead is exsang rn in SL

[low girder]

but not awful

[fleet anchor]

PB being uncapped is kinda big

[fleet whale]

like how much worse is it compared to alac

[crimson palm]

The famous shiv exsan build

[low girder]

we enh shaman now

hit all the buttons on cd

(if it was viable)

[crimson palm]

You misspelled fury warrior

[low girder]

true

[balmy condor]

yikes

[fleet whale]

the gap isn't as big as i thought

then again

numbers are lower

so maybe it is big lol

[fleet anchor]

It's 8%

[crimson palm]

It's like 5%

[fleet whale]

is 1 or 3 exsang

[fleet anchor]

3

[fleet whale]

lol

worse than venomrush

[fleet anchor]

They are the same, it's error margin

[fleet whale]

still, kind of funny

[fleet anchor]

That's PR profile with no legendaries and stuff

[fleet whale]

and exsang atm

[fleet anchor]

Exsang probably will scale better eventually

But doubt it's a big factor

[fleet whale]

no leggo really helps exsang though

and why does the shiv conduit exist

it's so bad

[grizzled jay]

Koji advocating for Necro

Slaughter-Blindside or die

[normal olive]

[fleet anchor]

Shiv Conduit certainly is something

[grizzled jay]

something bad?

[fleet whale]

so instead of 76 damage

it will do like 150

so good

[grizzled jay]

169 -> 270

[honest vessel]

wait

[fleet whale]

wow

so amazing

[honest vessel]

xsang worse than VR

wowzers

[fleet whale]

i mean

[grizzled jay]

well yah

[honest vessel]

what a talent choice

[grizzled jay]

low haste levels

[fleet whale]

that happened in bfa too

[grizzled jay]

exsang is only good at high haste

[fleet whale]

like in EP it was like that for a lot of people

[grizzled jay]

well in EP we were stacking DD

and VR = 1 free Mut every 10 casts

so potential for 1 free DD proc

[fleet whale]

even with SS traits

it was still worse lol

[grizzled jay]

oh lol

[fleet whale]

at least for me anyway back then

exsang only got good cause of expedient

[grizzled jay]

yah

its just a bad talent, needs to be reworked

[fleet whale]

yeah, never been a fan of it

[grizzled jay]

either have the bleeds also have damage amp, or move it elsewhere

[fleet whale]

i wonder if GW never got that nerf

if exsang would even be that popular

[somber egret]

What was the exsang % in early legion before nerf? 300%?

[fleet whale]

it was 400

[balmy condor]

400-200-100

I think

[fleet whale]

then it got stealth nerfed to 100

then buffed to 150

[balmy condor]

oh right

yes

that's what it was

[fleet whale]

the stealth nerf was really funny btw

cause when i was logged in

the number just dropped suddenly lol

[somber egret]

It was day befor raid right?

[fleet whale]

it was in pre patch

just like a random day

[fleet anchor]

I think Exp would still be best for Assassination

GW would have helped Sub and Outlaw a lot though

[fleet whale]

i think some pieces you would still want gw though

like high ilvl pieces

[balmy condor]

you'd run into the problem of not having enough corruption though

15 corruption per slot just won't cut it

[fleet whale]

two daggers

the boots i think

rest exp 3

[balmy condor]

that's 165

so would be running 30 corrupt

[fleet whale]

i have 2 exp 2 right now

still be enough for HoD

[grizzled jay]

well with Clockwork, HoD isn't necessary anyways

[clear flame]

Hey new to wow and I was looking into this corruption mechanic but I’m very confused Anyone know where I can find a good source with easily explanations. How does the corruption actually work and how do you know what to look for/ go for ?

[carmine dawn]

D:

oh im in the wrong channel

https://tenor.com/view/peace-disappear-vanish-gif-9727828

[balmy condor]

@clear flame https://www.wowhead.com/guides/corrupted-items-overview-titan-purification-corruption-resistance

there's an overview there

[clear flame]

Thank you ^^

[balmy condor]

in terms of what corruption is best, you can read the guides in the various channels

be aware though that corruptions are all going away in 2-3 weeks time

[strange python]

^

[clear flame]

I get people saying versatility and gushing wounds but how do you know how much of each is what confuses me. Yeah all good, will keep that in mind tyty ^^

[strange python]

no point of even really grinding for them

well for pvp

yeah

If you are going pve there are 2 builds

[clear flame]

No point in grinding it for pvp?

[strange python]

not unless you are trying to hit 2100+ this season

gushing isnt back on rotation

from the vendor

so

[balmy condor]

versatiles aren't either iirc

and expedient is gone too now

[strange python]

yup

in 2 hours

no more exp

[balmy condor]

well

[clear flame]

What is expedient ^^ ?

[strange python]

12% haste

[balmy condor]

the haste corruption

[clear flame]

Ah

I remember watching somewhere that said versatility and gushing is what I should go for ?

[balmy condor]

versatiles are back in 2 hours, severe on 9/22, and uh

that's it

[strange python]

for pvp yes

[balmy condor]

lmao

oh my god

[clear flame]

They reset Monday and Wednesday ?

[strange python]

tue and fri

[balmy condor]

friday night and on server reset for NA

[strange python]

but

[clear flame]

Ah I was well of woops

[strange python]

SL prepatch in 2-3 weeks

so no point really

[balmy condor]

just play something else until shadowlands

[clear flame]

Would I have time to grind it ?

[balmy condor]

no

[strange python]

no

[balmy condor]

you wouldn't even have time to get you cloak to a decent state

[normal olive]

no

[balmy condor]

and by the time you do, the corruption isn't available from the vendor

and won't ever be again

so

[clear flame]

Just got into wow about 3-4 days ago 😅, ahh so I shouldn’t even bother with it then

[balmy condor]

yeah you're kinda coming back at a good time overall

because its prepatch and new expansion time

but in terms of this expansion and this patch

[clear flame]

First time ^^ so looking really forward to it

[balmy condor]

everyone's already long gone

[clear flame]

Ah fairs

[balmy condor]

we're all just waiting

[clear flame]

Any advice on what I can do that may help for next patch ?

[strange python]

play

thats about it

[normal olive]

Get used to the game

[balmy condor]

yeah just general knowledge tbh

[normal olive]

if you are really new

[strange python]

If you want to learn about the new systems/your class

watch videos

go on ptr and practice sub or some shit

[icy ember]

play a rogue (on beta) if you plan to play rogue

[strange python]

^

[clear flame]

Hmm okay, guess I may do that sounds like a plan

[strange python]

hes new

so he doesnt have beta

Go on PTR

[vital haven]

go play on the ptr

[strange python]

opt in on the website

and download it

[clear flame]

Okay will do 🙏🏻

[strange python]

🙏🏻

[normal olive]

imagine not being new and not having beta anyway

[strange python]

[clear flame]

Any advice if assa will be viable or do I go for sub ?

[strange python]

CE no beta be like

[balmy condor]

they'll be fine

[strange python]

sub

assa for 2 target

on the new raid castle

both will be nice

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't bother thinking about what's viable or not

if you're new

[strange python]

^

If you are gonna try to get serious

[balmy condor]

play what you enjoy, and if you end up playing at a level where you need to be optimal, start thinking about it

[strange python]

go ahead and try to understand

but if not

[clear flame]

Will hopefully be playing the game for pvp 80% of the time

[normal olive]

[icy ember]

PvP

[clear flame]

I’ll just go do whatever I enjoy for now then, if it gets serious I’ll worry about classes 😅

[balmy condor]

pvp

[clear flame]

It in that bad of a state ??

[strange python]

#pvp if you need help

[balmy condor]

pvp is fine

[vital haven]

its fine

[strange python]

pvp

[balmy condor]

its just uh

not our cup of tea

[normal olive]

If you want to pvp

[balmy condor]

and its not blizzards either

[normal olive]

you need to do almost everything else

[strange python]

[normal olive]

[icy ember]

@clear flame https://youtu.be/wRUeUsMJvqU?t=187

[vital haven]

we also suck at it

[strange python]

ok we got a nzoth sale today boys

[vital haven]

so ye

[strange python]

I dont know why

but brb

who the fuck buys one

[normal olive]

buying nzoth with mount for 20 gold 25 at max

[strange python]

3 weeks before pre patch

[clear flame]

Ooh, okay thank you so much for the help. I’ll check out the vid ty shade

[strange python]

night fae

[low girder]

only downside of night fae is we'll prolly get pretty locked in on mantle

😦

er

MA i guess, idk

legion brain

[normal olive]

it's fun tho

more vanish

[clear flame]

“balanced”

[low girder]

is sepsis dispellable

[normal olive]

who cares about pvp

[low girder]

lol

true

[icy ember]

it'll improve in SL, trust me

[balmy condor]

[clear flame]

Time to convert to PVE by the looks of it

[normal olive]

if you need help with openers i have secret intel about the hidden op hot stuff in SL

[balmy condor]

is that what we're calling it

[normal olive]

why is there no smokebomb emote

[slim estuary]

So what are we doing in prepatch when we lose everything?

[balmy condor]

in terms of what

[slim estuary]

well we lose all of that sweet haste

[balmy condor]

yes

we do

[fleet whale]

about half

[balmy condor]

you asked what are we doing

[fleet whale]

but azerite and essences remain

[balmy condor]

are you saying stat wise, azerite, essences

rerolling sub?

[slim estuary]

rerolling sub?
@balmy condor in prepatch?

[balmy condor]

in general

[vital haven]

try stuff out

prepatch is gonna be the only time when we are gonna have all the class changes coming in SL while still using the systems thatwe have in bfa

[fleet anchor]

Wha?

Only reason I play beta is to run cookie-cutter OP setup with Akaari and top damage meters, I dunno what you're talking about

[honest vessel]

yo koji

i know this is sin channel

[balmy condor]

already

[fleet anchor]

I would never play Sin on beta

Lower details bar

[honest vessel]

but do you know if SecTec snapshots for the delayed hits?

[balmy condor]

it does iirc

if symbols drops after the initial hit, the delayed hits are still symbols buffed

for example

[fleet anchor]

wowmeta said that Assassination was lower tier than Sub so I don't really see much reason to play it on beta tbh

[honest vessel]

sick

thats exactly what i was wondering

wowmeta is the only reputable source for the wow meta

its in their name

[balmy condor]

[jovial forge]

hi guys do you know any addons or WA that can track the combo point that i Overlap because i really have the feeling that i miss many point.

[vast forum]

eyes

don't press mutilate if you're capped or 1 below cap

[balmy condor]

yeah

if you're playing vigor

you mut at 3

finish at 4

any overcap is just rip

[grizzled jay]

oh nice, Venomous Vim works with Slaughter now

[fleet whale]

you mean venomous wounds right

[grizzled jay]

yah, the effect is called Venomous Vim

[fleet whale]

yeah, but i don't think most people know that lol

that's one bug fixed though

how many more are left on the list

[grizzled jay]

iunno

[fleet anchor]

a lot

[verbal rapids]

What cove is rogue going?

[balmy condor]

necro atm

check the pins

[fleet whale]

does SND increase the skill cap of assassin in your opinion?

[balmy condor]

having more decisions is always increased skill cap

[fleet whale]

i guess... i don't think it's really going to any hard decision making though, maybe in cleave/aoe situations

[balmy condor]

doesn't need to be hard

but having to hit snd and think about the timer

even if its boring

is strictly more skill than not having to do that

[fleet whale]

yeah but i feel like there were better ways to do that though

[balmy condor]

sure

out of scope of the question though :)

[verbal rapids]

Why does the small numbers mean next to legendary names?

[balmy condor]

footnotes

you can see what they mean, right under that

[subtle drift]

Do we have an actual opener for the PRepatch yet?

Or to be precise, when SnD?

After Garrote?

[balmy condor]

With subt, we gar snd ambush rup atm

[subtle drift]

[sullen fossil]

With prepatch we still have azerite traits or..?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Traits and essences

[subtle drift]

Traits yes corruptions no

[balmy condor]

Corruptions go away

[subtle drift]

And how's the scaling? Assa better than Sub?

[balmy condor]

Scaling how

Sub is looking better in m+ and single target atm

[subtle drift]

Like in Legion Prepatch and HFC

[sullen fossil]

We back to ep boys and girls

[subtle drift]

Sub was the to go specc, but then came exsang and assa was OP

For the one month

[balmy condor]

Yeah balance does funny things sometimes

[subtle drift]

Best thing was in SOO Times.

The sword from 1kw which gave an extra hit

[woven gull]

Could someone please confirm whether or not this is the correct rotation: Start in stealth, garotte, rupture, cheap shot, come out of stealth, toxic blade, vendetta, mutilate x2, envenom, repeat last 2 until out of energy. Thanks in advance 🙂

[hidden bay]

Cheap shot?

[woven gull]

Okay maybe not cheap shot...how’s the rest of it though?

[main warren]

https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-battle-for-azeroth-raid-dps/

I'm assuming you're not running 3x ss

[woven gull]

Nope, just one SS. Thank you for linking the guide 🙂

[fading wigeon]

anyone know what azerite we are priotizing in pre-patch?

[void pecan]

Im scared of corruption going away.

All my beautiful haste.

My crit blades.

[modern schooner]

how good is the crit build in SL? Is it the go to for now?

[shut garnet]

whats "the crit build"

[subtle drift]

Crit instead of haste

FOr m+

[warm fulcrum]

I use it myself, since I come from outlaw and didn't have time to farm haste corruptions. It's pretty decent. I have a 475 galecallers and a 460 vita if I need haste however.

[patent topaz]

do you know why the crit build works in bfa?

echoing blades

[limber plover]

any idea how far ahead of the other options necrolords are?

[warm fulcrum]

Yup EB is the tits

[limber plover]

garbage gameplay tho

[oak sleet]

you think assa will be better in ST after sub shadowstrike leg nerf?

[fleet whale]

i think sub is still good without that leggo

[oak sleet]

gieeef mee betaaa

[tame ravine]

Having seen clips of the most recent raid tests, sub is still at the top for some fights it seems

[loud light]

they haven't nerfed/fixed anything yet

so it's 'still' the same as it's been

akaari's still gives them infinite combo points and infinite dances

[quartz marlin]

What food should I eat?

And pot?

[balmy condor]

Depends on every person

But the difference is pretty min-max

[quartz marlin]

I’m new haha

[balmy condor]

Just eat haste food and unbridled

[quartz marlin]

People just telling me to eat haha

So what should I eat?

I see online the big mach

[balmy condor]

Haste food

[normal olive]

Just eat haste food and unbribled

[balmy condor]

And unbridled fury for the potion

I think it’s baked port tato

[normal olive]

yeah

[grizzled jay]

@balmy condor my values are SLOWLY climbing as I get more haste-dominant gear

[fleet whale]

you're still 20% crit away

[crimson palm]

Big yikes

[timber pawn]

whats currently the most popular beta sin build

[balmy condor]

check pins

[timber pawn]

ty

[modern schooner]

@shut garnet by crit build I meant the master assassin legendary with sepsis

[grizzled jay]

@fleet whale no trolling 😢

[normal olive]

34% crit or delete rogue

[grizzled jay]

i have 64% crit with Scoundrel though

🙂

[normal olive]

34 or delete

[grizzled jay]

make me 😼

[idle nova]

[strange python]

[dusky wind]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.

[balmy condor]

its funny every time

[normal olive]

Yep

[dusky wind]

well played o.O

[cerulean walrus]

I've been out of the spec channels so long I didn't even realize Moroes says that

[weary badger]

does quick navigation stack?

[balmy condor]

Yes, but not well

You shouldn’t double quick nav on your weapons

[old galleon]

Morning!! I have been reading the guide and I dont understand when should I use Exsanguinate and Crimson Tempest

[patent topaz]

https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-exsanguinate/ the Opening Rotation section is very clear

[old galleon]

is not the opener, but when to use them afterwards

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest should be maintained but not forced into exsang

Your 4th exsang should line up with vanish

Hold everything for the vanish/exsang lineup

[old galleon]

what you mean "forced into exsang"? im sorry I dont speak english that well 😦

[main warren]

Don't worry about having a CT on the target when you're going to exang

[old galleon]

oh I see

[main warren]

like if your CT is low don't go out of your way to refresh it just so you have full duration for exang

Just exang

provided you've got a good garrote and rupture on target already

[balmy condor]

yeah

always garrote-rupture before an exsang

[old galleon]

and should I use exang to cd? and hold for fourth?

always with full bleeds

[balmy condor]

opener, exsang, exsang, cooldowns

you just make sure you always cast garrote-rupture-exsang or rupture-garrote-exsang as it comes up

and then line up with vanish

[old galleon]

perfect

thank you!!!

[balmy condor]

no problem

[outer lotus]

where is the "gouge" button on assassination?

[balmy condor]

shush you go back to your cave

[vital haven]

hi

[minor pendant]

[quasi hill]

heyho, i play crit/versa for m+. but my sims are a bit wierd. i try to swap anything to 12% versa corruption.
Simming says to me to keep my Echoing Void Rank 2 on my rings, dps wise (3-5% upgrade).
Shall i replace Echoing Void no matter what sim says ?

(EV ring ist ilvl 445 with Crit/Haste, Got a 465 with crit/versa to replace it)

[balmy condor]

how are you simming

[quasi hill]

4 Tagets PW 1min and Dungeon Slice

at PW echoing pulls ahead

[balmy condor]

yep

makes sense

[quasi hill]

yeah

compared to real world, is EV worth it ?

[balmy condor]

probably not tbh

[quasi hill]

good 🙂

[balmy condor]

crit/haste is kinda tragic as well

[vital haven]

man remember when echoing void was THE corruption

good times

[verbal mantle]

first 2 weeks then gone

[balmy condor]

remember when our gear was a mismatched disaster of like ev and is and gw and random stat corruptions

[normal olive]

Henlo me new, pls play for me

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.

[fallow otter]

man remember when echoing void was THE corruption
@vital haven it sucked coz i didnt have it lol

[inner tinsel]

probably a frequent asked question but how does Assa look in both pve as pvp in SL?

like, is it on pair with the other specs?

[halcyon roost]

Sub > sin/ol at the moment for ST

[formal widget]

middle of the pack i would say but sub is superior in all aspects of the game right now so if you wanna min max you would play sub but assa does everything still fine

[inner tinsel]

thanks, apreciate the answers

[crimson palm]

U understand how stupid these questions are without any tuning

[sterile jackal]

Hi all, do you know any video/arricle summing up assasination covenant choice? I mean I know necros are the best rn but i really hate their covenant leather set and overall flavour. I'm also hoping for some buffs for other covs.

[iron valve]

#tc-research

tldr: necro overtuned, fae pretty okay mechanically for ass especially with legendaries, kyrian undertuned (and annoying to use), venthyr does literally nothing until you get a decently ranked conduit

[sterile jackal]

Thanks man

Btw venthyr posion indicates error line about not having yiur deadly poison etc, does it means we lose our poisons synergy or is it a bug?

[iron valve]

to my knowledge venthyr poison is identical to deadly poison in every respect except shadow damage type (which is why it does nothing beneficial for assassination)

but you do need poisons applied before it 'mixes', is that what you mean?

[sterile jackal]

I mean when you apply venthyr it takes place of deadly. After that i have this red notes on the screen saying "you dont have your deadly poison applied" or sth like that. Same thing shows when you forget to use any poison and start a combat. So it seems like we do not get some kind of proc related to deadly poison.

[halcyon roost]

It's a known bug

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[rich halo]

what talents are you running currently in the beta?

[upper mortar]

[balmy condor]

@sterile jackal the procs work. the error is still there I think, but slaughter works

[hidden bay]

!ui

[balmy condor]

Do you mean

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[ripe hawk]

I know Mizerok's group has the empowered Garrote. Is there much difference between the others?

[balmy condor]

Not really

[dire spoke]

xd

[jovial spear]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

fairly new to retail, does off hand/main hand matter at all?

[balmy condor]

highest ilvl in mainhand

mhwdps is big

[strange python]

and i see some videos of people running death from above in pvp, what situation do i run that in? more for bg's?

[verbal mantle]

you should ask this question in #pvp

[strange python]

will do, ty!

[verbal mantle]

np

[grizzled jay]

BIG upgrade boys

sample M+ damage profile

[iron valve]

neat 📸

[minor rover]

Assa performing well on cleave?

[balmy condor]

yes

and its okay single target

[grizzled jay]

It's hard to say 'yeah Sin is super strong in X/Y/Z' cause Scoundrel is broken atm

[fleet whale]

rogues and broken leggos

name a more iconic duo

[honest vessel]

bread and the bag it comes in

[grizzled jay]

That being said, even once they fix Scoundrel and it is not giving +60% crit chance, if Slaughter conduit continues to add the +crit chance to the poison proc, you'll still hit 100% crit chance at rank like 8-10 range.

And that's when Sin will get a big powerspike boost in ST

[clear flame]

What corruptions would you recommend for assassin rogue class from the vendor ? I heard infinite stars, twilight devastation and twisted appendage ?? How true would this be ?

[balmy condor]

there's nothing left to buy

its all doomed

[clear flame]

They run out ._. ?

[balmy condor]

prepatch removes corruptions

[clear flame]

That’s okay still around 2-3 weeks right ?

[balmy condor]

1-2

[clear flame]

Wait what 1-2 ?

[balmy condor]

exped is about to be gone

or wait

its actually already gone

[clear flame]

Thought we still got around a month ?

[honest vessel]

thats until launch

[surreal solar]

no, prepatch kills corruptions

[honest vessel]

prepatch should be in a week or 2

[surreal solar]

^

[clear flame]

Oh shit literally a week or two

That’s so dope

No point to get my ilvl up then ?

[balmy condor]

there's also nothing good on the vendor in that time

ilvl is fine

[grizzled jay]

iLvl is for leveling in SL

[balmy condor]

ilvl is the one thing you should get

[clear flame]

Any idea on how I can increase it effectively ?

[balmy condor]

spam m+

[clear flame]

On 340 and struggling to climb higher

[balmy condor]

well

first level

then dungeons

then m+

[clear flame]

Yeahh hit 120 yesterday

Would people be okay with me being in their m+ ?

[honest vessel]

legendary cloak too

[clear flame]

Is that the corruption cloak thingy ?

[honest vessel]

yeah

[clear flame]

Yeahh got that tonight

[balmy condor]

you need to do normal and heroic before you do m+

[honest vessel]

you can level that up thru visions, but dungeons more important

[balmy condor]

you're doomed for m+ until like 430

[clear flame]

Oof :/

So game plan for tomorrow would be to spam heroic and normal raids ?

[low girder]

ilvl is for prepatch parses

[clear flame]

Would it be possible to find someone to help me go through m+ quick or ?

[honest vessel]

you could do every mythic 0 dungeon

[balmy condor]

if you give me a lil

my guild prolly gonna shitpost in mythics

but for now I'm trolling chess lmao

what region/faction?

[clear flame]

Horde undead in Draenor

[balmy condor]

region

[clear flame]

Eu

[balmy condor]

oh

nvm then

[clear flame]

Ahhh rip

[balmy condor]

eu plebs lmao

[clear flame]

Why you gotta hate 😦

[low girder]

isn't it like 1am on a monday morning in EU

[clear flame]

Yeahh

[low girder]

actually who the fuck am i to talk

LOL

[clear flame]

Was about to hop off but if I find anyone that can help may be able to get on 🙏🏻

[balmy condor]

would HIGHLY suggest finding a casual guild

[clear flame]

Okay will try something like that if I can

Tysm

[dire spoke]

hi new to rogue what will BiS weapon oil be in raid

[balmy condor]

[grizzled jay]

what is bis enchant

[balmy condor]

y'all memers

[plain spruce]

!sl

[prisma monolith]

Shadowlands release: 42 days 21 hours 25 minutes 22 seconds

[dire spoke]

@balmy condor elitist cunt do you approach every new member like that. Intellectuals will never respect you

[ripe hawk]

Any advice in how to get a fresh capped rogue into a semi hardcore raid guild for SL?

Ive watched the preach video but the ones ive looked at arent looking for rogues

[balmy condor]

do you have logs

on a different char obviously

[ripe hawk]

yes

My amin was a unholy DK

main*

[balmy condor]

well when you're apping then use that

and tell them you want to swap for SL

[ripe hawk]

Ok. tahts what Ive tried so far. Ive still got 2 weeks at least. Just wanting to verify I wasn't waisting my time

[dire spoke]

except you have heroic logs from legion, nobody cares about that obviously

[balmy condor]

o

yeah that's not gonna get you anywhere lmao

[ripe hawk]

Nah my main got AOTC for this tier

[balmy condor]

how are your mythic logs looking

[ripe hawk]

haven't done any. I can run some in my current guild but my gear is crap

[dire spoke]

maybe try a world1000 guild first

[balmy condor]

yeah you gotta lower expectations then

[ripe hawk]

Yea Im not wanting world first. My current guiild refuses to do any mythic raid runs. I just want to attempt

[balmy condor]

ain't no serious mythic guild going to look at an app and go "wow this guy did pretty good in heroic, solid choice"

find a guild that gets like 3-5 bosses down

use that to find a guild that gets like 5-7 bosses down

climb that ladder

[ripe hawk]

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Zarare https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Zarare

thats my main

[balmy condor]

but without mythic experience, you're pretty screwed

[dire spoke]

Its like applying to a job youre not qualified for > on paper. You must be really appealing and thats only Happening If you Look good with what you do and know somebody in the new guild

[ripe hawk]

I have done mythics on her

[balmy condor]

blue heroics

oof

[ripe hawk]

thats what I was afraid you were going to say lol

[balmy condor]

you're probably aiming way too high

I would probably try to look for entry level mythic guild tbh

[ripe hawk]

Thats what I want.

[drifting cloud]

alot of guilds above 1k just need bodies

[ripe hawk]

I just want one that will try

[dire spoke]

Those are not semi hardcore

[ripe hawk]

How do you find them. look for sub 1000 on wow progress?

[balmy condor]

probably looking at world ~5-10k

[drifting cloud]

I dont know what your definition of semi hardcore is tho

[ripe hawk]

Thats what they were calling themselves sorry

[dire spoke]

lol

[balmy condor]

that's an oof

[drifting cloud]

its just a matter of perception

[ripe hawk]

they raided 2days a week with an optional 3rd for alts

[balmy condor]

yeah your definition and their definition are probably very different

"semi-hardcore" technically exists in normal progression guilds too

[drifting cloud]

but theres definetly plenty of guilds that will trial with alot of previous xp

[balmy condor]

the problem is no previous xp here

[drifting cloud]

but outside of last tier of xpac most of them probably arent CE guilds

I meant to write no previous xp mybad

[balmy condor]

aha

yeah

[drifting cloud]

like guild that are 1.5k rank or something, alot of them just need bodies

[ripe hawk]

lol so I need exp to get exp. So pugs?

[drifting cloud]

and a new xpac is a little bit like a fresh slate

[vital haven]

you can still get mythic logs

mythic pugs are a thing

[balmy condor]

you either pug

or you join some random guild

[drifting cloud]

so if you can make a good application theres definetly a chance to get in

[balmy condor]

I'm on a52 as well, so I would probably be looking in the realm ~100 area

maybe ~150

and see what their needs are like

[ripe hawk]

Can do. Thanks for the advice

[balmy condor]

they probably are around 5ish bosses in

so if you can get in on one of those, you'll at least get exp

[drifting cloud]

I dunno wispyr I kinda disagree

guilds that are 5 bosses in 8months into a tier

I wouldnt want to go there

those guilds are never getting anywhere

[vital haven]

its about working your way up

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter if that's what you want

[drifting cloud]

youre not even mythic raiding at this point

[balmy condor]

that's what you get

[drifting cloud]

pugs do better

[dire spoke]

Specially If they are 3days plus and want you to alt

xd

[balmy condor]

that's a bit of a toxic take tbh

[drifting cloud]

no? thats just facts

[vital haven]

well no

those are literally not facts lmao

[drifting cloud]

my dude first 5 bosses are barely above hc difficulty

[balmy condor]

to you

[drifting cloud]

with current gear available

[balmy condor]

yes

[vital haven]

you are by definitiuon raiding mythic

[drifting cloud]

im not comparing to my guild

[vital haven]

thjose are the facts lmao

[drifting cloud]

trust me

im comparing to a friends guild that got ce 2 weeks ago

[vital haven]

i get what you mean ryler

[drifting cloud]

we are talking about a guild that hasnt gotten ce since EN

and would disband on 2-3rd boss of a tier

[balmy condor]

you're just kinda looking down on a bit of a pedestal imo

[drifting cloud]

but last tier of an xpac is always just so much insanely easier

[balmy condor]

they're a whole slew of guilds that never get CE

and they still raid mythic

and that's fine

[vital haven]

the guild that i started out in bfa my first mythic guild isnt probably getting CE this tier

[drifting cloud]

and I can guarantee theres guild that are on nzoth or maybe have even killed it that will take people without alot of raiding xp

[vital haven]

there are plenty of guilds that are not getting it

[drifting cloud]

but maybe they arent on your current realm I guess

[vital haven]

yes this tier has been very long, so that gives more guilds cahnces to get CE

[balmy condor]

if someone has 0 mythic logs atm, you can't just tell the guy "oh you don't want to be in a guild that can't even past X before prepatch lul just get into a better guild"

that's not how that works

"just get into a CE guild xd"

yes the goal is a CE guild

but you can't start there

[drifting cloud]

when 2.3k non chinese guilds have CE

it loses a bit of its meaning

500 of these guilds are probably not getting ce first tier of sl

[vital haven]

ye sure

but by the usual standard

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

and trust me alot of them just need bodies

[vital haven]

a typical ce guild aint accepting someone that has no mythic logs

[drifting cloud]

when we were on azshara we recruited a guy that had first 3 bosses down, which was pug territory back then

making a good application can go alot further

than just having blue mythic logs

[vital haven]

ye true

[balmy condor]

that's 3 bosses more than what we're dealing with here

[dire spoke]

the Point is avoiding bad lead guilds that have alot of raiding days, mandatory stuff and still so badly. Perhaps getting into mythic after 5 weeks because heroic is already too difficult. Thats where @ripe hawk shouldnt Go and @drifting cloud is referring to

[vital haven]

i mean idk how hard is it to get into a mythic pug with no logs

i know the first 3 bosses get pugged regularly though

well this late i actually dont know

[balmy condor]

you gotta wade through the shit though

pug probably make a mythic group

and look at his r.io

see 12/12 H

and go lul nah

[drifting cloud]

and especially with how annoying can it be to gear a char up this tier in particular

if someone has just started playing recently lets say

so what he should play nonstop for 2months just to pug first 3mythic?

eh I dont know

[balmy condor]

no one's saying that

[vital haven]

honestly i got really lucky i knew people in the guild i was joining in bfa when i was starting out

[balmy condor]

the only thing I suggested was finding a guild that at least does something, and using that to work your way up

[vital haven]

got 7/8 that tier and on bod i joined a ce guild

[balmy condor]

yes the first guild, second guild, maybe the third or fourth guild will be dog shit by comparison

[drifting cloud]

but I mean you have your pov and I have mine but trust me im not looking from a pedestal

[balmy condor]

but you can't just go from blue heroic logs to cara prog

[drifting cloud]

but some 5/12 guilds this tier, youre literally just joining what for 3 weeks to get some logs

and then skipping

[vital haven]

well when you say stuff like 5/12 aint raiding mythic

[dire spoke]

On a new class

[vital haven]

that might be interpreted as a little bit elitist

[drifting cloud]

I mean its slightly exaggereated but you get the point

the only barrier of killing first 5 bosses after 8months is actually having 20 people

lets be real here

first 3 are so outgeared its not even funny, same goes for shadhar

on hivemind you might actually have to do some prog

[vital haven]

ye as i said i get the point but they are raiding mythic if you enter the raid and kill the first boss you are raiding mythic as far im concerned

[drifting cloud]

yeah I never said you have to be CE to be a mythic guild

[ripe hawk]

I did do the first 3 in M Nyalotha. Funnily enough Shadhar caused my guild to break up for a few months. and swears to never try M again

[drifting cloud]

but if you wanna draw some silly comparison week 1-2 aotc is probably way harder than having lets say 7mythic bosses down at this point

[vital haven]

ye totally

[dire spoke]

Thats was Not a guild that was a group with shared interest

[ripe hawk]

I know which is why I want to try to find a guild

[balmy condor]

also this is kinda going off the rails and isn't really sin chat

probably #wow-general

[ripe hawk]

Sorry my bad

[balmy condor]

nah you're good

the convo just kinda dragged into a pretty high brow discussion on guilds and what's mythic and puggable and what's not and who's shit and who isn't

[drifting cloud]

but like I said I atleast am of the opinion if you can present yourself really well you can get in way better guilds than you might think because theres alot of them out there willing to give you a chance

they just might not be on your realm

I have friends that went from not never having a CE to being in top200 guilds

without hopping threw 5 guilds in the process but sure luck is a big factor or just knowing people

[vital haven]

so

exsang build huh

[balmy condor]

pretty sick imo

y'all like garrote?

[vital haven]

sigh

[shy dust]

Rupture better

[honest vessel]

whats garrote

[vital haven]

seriously though

imma miss SS

garrote not giving 3 cps just feels wrong now

[drifting cloud]

I think im too stupid to realize how much dmg ss actually does

I knew at the start when it was bonkers broken in uldir

[honest vessel]

im sad to be losing some things, but blindsides feels so nice imo, i think im cool with it

but yeah on aoe big missing ss

[strange python]

does ambush do a modest amount of damage as sin?

[low girder]

it does a good amount more than mut

it just has a max of 2 CPs

[honest vessel]

can it not crit for 3?

[low girder]

no, it crits for 2

[strange python]

ouch

[honest vessel]

what why

[dire spoke]

[low girder]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange python]

we're gonna have some slower ramp for sure

[honest vessel]

lmfao

[low girder]

i'll double check that to make sure

but i don't think i've had 3 from it

[honest vessel]

honestly i didnt really question it

but i dont recall getting any either

[dire spoke]

I question it

[low girder]

prolly not implemented with SF

what's bug list

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[low girder]

cool

jk that was 3

not the first time i've given bad ptr info

[balmy condor]

yeah 2 baseline crit for 3

seal fate

[low girder]

yeah

[balmy condor]

[low girder]

i swear it only ever gave me 2 when i tried it

even on crits

oh well

good news

[strange python]

and with the legendary its 100% crit out of stealth right?

[low girder]

yeah for 5s

[balmy condor]

yuhhhhhhhhhhh

and it blowwwwwwsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sorta

idk

[low girder]

lol

dashing's pretty good

[balmy condor]

nightstalker suck and subt is reverse synergy

[low girder]

yeah

[strange python]

in the event bonespike gets nerfed into the ground whats the next runner up

[low girder]

not-kyrian

[balmy condor]

slaughter or night fae

[low girder]

slaughter needs some conduit ranks which we don't know how they'll work yet, and night fae kinda locks you into master assassin leggo

so both have downsides

[balmy condor]

I pray for slaughter

[low girder]

i want night fae but not a huge fan of being legendary locked

[balmy condor]

I really dislike night fae forcing us even farther into the stealth gameplay

Vanish reliance and stealth reliance on sin is dumb

[low girder]

yet another reason to have abilities separate 😉

[shy dust]

But the big burst vendetta

With 10 seconds of crit

[grizzled jay]

@low girder Depending on certain interactions, you could also go Shadowdust or Tiny Toxic with Sepsis

[low girder]

what does shadowdust do for sin at all

in pve

a small reduction to vendetta i suppose

an extra shiv maybe

[balmy condor]

it makes vendetta line up with bote

obviously

[low girder]

lol

[grizzled jay]

Shiv, Vanish, Exsang if it ever became meta, Garrote if you aren't using Subt.

[low girder]

exsang will never become meta unless there's extra systems coming

or major rebalancing happens

[grizzled jay]

i know, just saying it's there

[low girder]

shiv is kinda meh

[grizzled jay]

Vanish reduces Sepsis which reduces Vanish it's a feedback loop

So they both have a permanent 15s CDR

[low girder]

it just doesn't do a whole lot for sin compared to the other options

[balmy condor]

seems like a surefire way to desync from vendetta

[dire spoke]

slaughter is shit

[balmy condor]

but its my shit

[low girder]

vamp hands

[fallow otter]

Whispppp, I don't want to use MA leggo either

[balmy condor]

brother

[dire spoke]

its boring, out of sync and changes nothing for the majority of a fight

[fallow otter]

But with the way scaling works I feel like by half way through the xpac we might all be using it with nightfae

[dire spoke]

[surreal solar]

noooo i dont want MA

[low girder]

we might, venthyr might scale out of control eventually

on ST

there's a lot up in the air rn

[drifting cloud]

eh who cares eventually I just want the game to work in 9 weeks

baby steps

[low girder]

i want conduit info

lol

they haven't said shit

and we're what, 6 weeks from launch

[drifting cloud]

been the same for a while: wait till wednesday

ok see you guys next week

[low girder]

🙃

[fallow otter]

Not sure we are going to escape MA leggo for m plus

[low girder]

oh for M+, no

[fallow otter]

Which might just mean nightfae

[low girder]

you're prolly stuck with it, muahahaha

[drifting cloud]

yeah funny how when you can use the effect atleast x3 often its suddenly really strong

😛

[low girder]

idk, i don't have beta so i can't say how it feels for me, but i don't mind the idea of going back to MA as much as others

[drifting cloud]

maybe this will be dead spec for whole xpac

like in legion only seli playing it

[low girder]

depends how hard the sub slap is

[fallow otter]

The whole getting to stealth thing is annoying

For m plus

Atm for SS

[low girder]

but yeah if it's like bfa for sub, prolly will be like that

[fallow otter]

Sub might have the same thing

[low girder]

oh i meant for this being a dead channel

[fallow otter]

MA leggo then storm into ST into storm vault

Aoe opener

[low girder]

it'll at least be strong for outlaw M+ too

it's a strong leggo

[fallow otter]

Yeah...

[low girder]

but i think it has a bit more potential competition this time

[fallow otter]

Am I blanking too hard?

Not for aoe right?

[low girder]

for aoe maybe not

but for raids at least

[fallow otter]

Ohhh yeh

[low girder]

legion we didn't take the damn thing off

no matter what spec

[fallow otter]

True

[low girder]

cost me my m tos shoulders at the time

(why you need these, you never take your shoulders off anyway)

[fallow otter]

Mog?

[low girder]

yeah

but the other classes used their shoulders

we only killed it a few times

[fallow otter]

I couldn't get those things at all on my monk

Toxic drop rate for me haha

Coven I think

Monk used, but I could get them

[low girder]

i didn't get the shoulders off avatar until like 4-5 months ago lol

once it was easily puggable

[fallow otter]

Im really looking forward to wed

After they have said they swapped combat dev to balance

It's like... Moment of truth

But I'm preparing for let down haha

[low girder]

i have a feeling we might be pleasantly surprised

but we'll see

[fallow otter]

Yeh I hope so

[low girder]

my hope is they don't actually nerf necro

not yet

i hope they bugfix the shit out of it first

[fallow otter]

Why

[low girder]

and then do the tuning

once they get some more data

[fallow otter]

I mean both would be nice haha

[low girder]

i don't think you can do both at once lol

make it work and tell people how you want it to work

and then figure out the balancing

[fallow otter]

You think they will remove the increased CP for actives?

[low girder]

i think the fracturing will go

or at least get nerfed a bit

the CPs maybe, hard to say

[fallow otter]

Lots of it feels weird.. As in it feels great

And it didn't feel right because it feels so good

[low girder]

yeah a lot of it doesn't seem particularly intuitive from what the tooltip says

[fallow otter]

Like no timer

[low girder]

so at least that needs to get clarified

whether the 200%AP fracture is intended

[balmy condor]

doesn't seem like it is

tbh

[low girder]

i think they probably meant it at first and meant to get rid of it

believe it's mentioned in a blue post a long time ago

but idk

this is why communication is important!

[fallow otter]

Dmg is higher than tooltip right

So that will go

[low girder]

yeah tooltip is 60%

and then like, multiplied or something

based on how many are out

idk, whole thing is weird, especially when i don't have beta myself

[fallow otter]

Yeah.... The CP feels weird

Be good if they brought the others up to the 60% level

Kyrian

[low girder]

idk. idk how powerful they want them to be

should they all be necro level, and kyrian is way below, or should they all be like 5%

¯_(ツ)_/¯

we'll have a better idea hopefully after the next few builds

(and maybe a conduit rank post. just saying.)

[fallow otter]

Lots of variables, which is the scary part

[fleet whale]

i just want to be a vampire

[low girder]

i just want to pick my skill and then pick my class hallcovenant home

but that's dead now 😦

[fleet whale]

well i still might become a vampire

slaughter looks decent even though it's power is down the line

[low girder]

i'll prolly swap later on unless we can get that conduit power first tier

[fleet whale]

swapping the first time is easy

[low girder]

or if it gets balanced out

if they're all close then fuck it i'm going fae

[fleet whale]

in fact i think swapping to any covenant you've never been a part of before is easy

it's rejoining that is gated

[low girder]

yeah it's just rejoining

which tbh makes me not want to pick fae

but idk, i'll wait for tuning

[fallow otter]

You know what I'm finding the most annoying for some reason.. Parsing got nuked by corruptions... Until the end of bfa when everyone has what they wanted.... There is still people using stupid amounts and getting carried by the raid to stay alive but for the most part it got ironed out. I feel like without being the correct cov we just don't be able to parse on some bosses

[void pecan]

It wont' be nearly as bad as corruption rng

[fallow otter]

Not the rng part definitely not I agree but needing to be a certain cov to parse? I can see that easily being a big difference

Hopefully not though

[fleet whale]

in pure ST i think you can parse orange and above with any covenant choice, so long as you have the right leggo and conduits

AoE might be a problem though

[shrewd night]

There is still people using stupid amounts and getting carried by the raid to stay alive
This is nothing new. I specifically remember our guild was taking turns on soloing the adds on nazgrim just for the sake of parsing back in soo

[rocky ruin]

Guys i read a lot about the covenants these past days in forum and twitter. Are they really that bad terms of power and so or it is just some ppl exaggerate too much

That power is tied to these and rpg is meaningless word in wow

[shrewd night]

They arent tuned yet, so

[balmy condor]

Koffing is ceo of taking my job

[normal olive]

[drifting cosmos]

Hows sin looking in beta atm? Haven't seen too much tuning going on

As in m+ content

[balmy condor]

M+ is looking scary

For sin

The cleave is okay

But outlaw will probably continue to be the meta

And sub will most likely be the off meta

[drifting cosmos]

So nothing's changed really

[balmy condor]

Sin loses a lot of borrowed power and isn’t getting much back

[icy ember]

ye outlaw = aoe sin = ST and sub = idontknowwtfitdoes but it needs a nerf

[balmy condor]

Well sub is unplayable atm