im just jk
#assassination
vital haven
balmy condor
My ego strikes again
fallow otter
Sitting at rank 40 for nzoth 
balmy condor
vital haven
❤️ @balmy condor
low girder
it's ok there's always someone worse
like me
not even overall orange D:
that 0.3% gonna haunt me
fallow otter
But what's the nzoth ranking sitting at
fallow otter
Ok well you can do better than that
low girder
282 kek
balmy condor
Have you ever considered just doing more damage
fallow otter
Lol
low girder
i have considered running more corruption
being sub 40 always doesn't help, but it's not why lol
fallow otter
Blood usage on opener?
low girder
oh on nzoth? the reason why is i run like a bitch to the back for anguishes
because i don't trust our melee
fallow otter
Tbh I don't think I can get much better than rank 40 with multiple buyers every week
Small things like grasp direction
Secret phase dodging and dps same time
low girder
yeah i could def hit at least an orange just by playing more greedy, but that's not me. rather just kill the boss
is fine
fallow otter
Partner not dragging me off boss for beam paranoia
fleet anchor
I dislike post recalc N’zoth parsing because at least you could parse before while mostly doing the fight correctly. Parsing now on that fight sucks. lol
fallow otter
You mean pumping psy?
That shit sucked bro, coz some werent assigned to CD it, it still counts they just don't get the damage amp count
If you weren't blowing your wad on psy then you couldn't parse
It promoted people not doing the right properly by fuckin up the kill timer completely, how does it break it now
shrewd night
ou could parse before while mostly doing the fight correctly
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
If you mean, intentionally nudging our h pallies away from melee range when dropping anguish, hard nuking psychus and requiring range to move to you for drags?
Sure
vestal dune
Isn't actually better not using cds on psychus to parse
You can use cds on 2nd set of tentacles which lives longer
and you get them back for nzoth
crimson palm
its better to psychus
gets u 1 more vendetta on a basher
i fucked up a vendetta here, would've been a 110k+ log
frigid kestrel
Ye, my raid leader makes me save all my CD's for the first "Free Damage" we get on N'Zoth after 1st Pyhcus phase is completed
shrewd night
Imagine ranking
crimson palm
its such an ez boss to parse 
verbal mantle
Imagine imagining ranking
shrewd night
All I do is place good anguishes and dance tango after second psychus
vestal dune
I need to use cds on 2nd tentacle set anyway to add consistency so we can enterthe portal always at 01:00 😦
fallow otter
Hemo you switched from vanish blood on 2nd basher like I have been doin forever hey
Im on phone so it's too hard to look ill check the rest later
Im gonna have to convince raid to let me cd psy
dire spoke
@shrewd night this one anguish impact in p2 still scary, its my hs moment I dont trust
shut garnet
i actually reckon i couldve outdamaged your r1 on nzoth yesterday hemo 
forgot to go insane 
crimson palm
i didnt go insane on my rank 1
crimson palm
we go insane even with boostees
but i don't remember why we didnt do it on that certain pull kekw
crimson palm
would've been aroun 3-4k more dps
upper mortar
Got 4 mages on our comp can't parse 
shut garnet
yikes
upper mortar
Thots dying in like 5 secs is really sad
crimson palm
kek
optimal parse is like 32 mil boss dmg
9 mil on thots
and 5 mils on psychopages & psychus
that should be around 112k
balmy condor
@crimson palm can tell me what talent are good for shadowlands, the beta? I am new rogue thanks you
crimson palm
won't kill the boss with the amount of feeders we have
shut garnet
crimson palm
the beam anguish overlap is a feed fiesta
upper mortar
Are you hitting the shield before room phase?
crimson palm
@balmy condor k - y- s
balmy condor
ty ty very helpful
shut garnet
but that dmg is not really relevant
crimson palm
nah, not lusting after second psychus
so we are at about 22-25% before we go to door
and then full burn with lust in like 15s
upper mortar
Shield is at 25 if I'm not mistaken but ye
Yesterday we had like 15 secs of hitting the shield before the room.
shut garnet
pretty sure we got the boss down to 21 before
upper mortar
20 or 25 then need to check logs
crimson palm
u need to stop before gate appears
crimson palm
balmy condor
verbal mantle
woven gull
Yo! Could someone possibly let me know how I can improve my current gear please? Thank you 🙂 https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/doomhammer/stabadon
balmy condor
Dragonscale sucks
Scent is pretty awful too
You’re stacking a lot of NP as well
Usually not ideal
Kinda just behind on everything
I guess the first step would be to get your resistance up and getting some 465’s with corruption
Replacing the dragonscale with something
And then getting some new azerites
You probably don’t have time for that though with prepatch approaching
balmy condor
Ye
sterile reef
umm a asking maybe stupids but, ive got geared now triple twisted knife and i run high mastery with 25% crit and 23% haste, but i dont have shrouded suffocation with this gear, should i sacrifice on piece if i lose a knife but get shrouded suffocation instead
the robes im considering have on the same ring heart of darkness
big ring is double dose and vendetta
sterile reef
yea i came late to bfa and missed even the last chance to get gushings
so my corruptions are versatility and haste boosts
balmy condor
That’s a sim question
Ttk is usually a pretty bad trait
I assume the first shrouded would probably be an up
normal olive
you should run mastery corruptions with master poisoner for the omega memes
sterile reef
i heard ttk is best for pvp
normal olive
balmy condor
Yeah in pvp it’s great
sterile reef
i dont do other than pvpp
balmy condor
In pve it’s pretty MEH
sterile reef
yup
whole cypress
you run triple twist, 1 np, 1 ss for pvp
balmy condor
Probably 3dd 1ttk cause cara azerite, and then HoD
Np probably fine too
Sub seems to be the play tbh
normal olive
night cipher
switch to sub and try to stealth run into shadowlands for a quick akaari snatch ?
LFM stealth run to ninja lvl 60 loot
normal olive
the numbers don't add up chief
woven gull
@balmy condor Yeahh I thought as much about the NP - I’d like to stack 3 DD’s, so will have to run more HC raids for Azerite gear I reckon. Is there any particular trinket you’d recommend?
night cipher
vita and spyglass or vita and harlan
woven gull
Awesome I’ll look into it. Thanks for the advice 🙂
night cipher
or spyglass + harlan, do a hunter wannabe xD
balmy condor
No problem, happy to help
woven gull
Haha I’ll head to siege, who knows - might get lucky on my first drop xD
balmy condor
sterile reef
im running gladly remote detonation trinket and reaping flames major for sick burst, if our 3's team is unable to use triple worldvein essence
and then versatility trinket with +3k primary use
sterile reef
ok roger
normal olive
balmy condor
Ye this is pve channel
normal olive
The numbers what do they mean
normal olive
balmy condor
And are like “hey I play sin pvp what do”
And I tell them “it’s great you play sin, but we have a #pvp channel, this is pve”
And they go “yeah but it’s dead”
Well maybe it wouldn’t be dead, if you asked your question in there, instead of here
normal olive
balmy condor
Also true lmao
normal olive
that's pvpers for you
balmy condor
Pvp channel should just be empty except for a single link to a 24 hour livestream of peakaboo vods
Change my mind
normal olive
how to press buttons tho
balmy condor
He has an ability tracker is fine
low girder
Best pvp covenant pls
balmy condor
Kyrian
low girder
balmy condor
MFD into kidney, then throw knife until you get to your animacharged cp
celest drift
SL question : so far Blindside is better than EP?
balmy condor
Yes
normal olive
in ST
celest drift
alright
balmy condor
You can see the suggested talents and stuff in the pins as well
arctic harness
Macro ambush to mutilate?
balmy condor
If that’s your fancy
arctic harness
Would that work
celest drift
was gonna ask that question too @arctic harness ahah
balmy condor
I’m not on board with the macro them together yet
I’m a purist like that though
Every skill gets a button
low girder
Yeah if anything I'd do a modifier at most
arctic harness
/cast Ambush
/cast Mutilate```Turn off error speech
balmy condor
Why not just #showtooltip
celest drift
balmy condor
Does it not update dynamically to show mut when you can’t ambush
arctic harness
The spell stays in your spellbook
Don’t think it accounts for stealth or not
I dunno, I’m a pretty basic bitch macroboy
balmy condor
Well stealth is irrelevant here
Cause we’re mostly concerned with blindside
I’m just curious
Cause I use any macros tbh
arctic harness
Yeah, I know, but I don’t think it takes those things into account and just looks at your spellbook
normal olive
Same
arctic harness
Its different for talents since they vanish from your spellbook
So the tooltip goes poof
celest drift
/cast Ambush /cast Mutilate```
@arctic harness don't think that will work tho
balmy condor
Gachi weakauras for days amirite navi
balmy condor
normal olive
Everytime i get 5 cp it's the WOOO
arctic harness
Maybe not no @celest drift
celest drift
balmy condor
normal olive
Can you make a WA that tracks crits?
iron valve
what do you want it to do on a crit lol
balmy condor
Gachi
balmy condor
It’s navi
iron valve
lul
balmy condor
Half of his brain cells are just gachi
iron valve
scale the volume based on the size of the crit
balmy condor
That’s actually also possible
arctic harness
AYAYA on every crit is a pretty good idea
low girder
Should be one when you override a subterfuge garrote
normal olive
that's not a sound, that just opens a link to some gachi and plays it at full volume
iron valve
I mean to make it not completely stupid you'd probably want it to only play on yellow non-dot crits
normal olive
EVERY crit
balmy condor
Slice and dice auto crits
Probably don’t want it on rupture/garrote crits either
Like it seems like a pretty big disaster ngl
balmy condor
I’m never finishing that btw navi
normal olive
iron valve
https://wago.io/SyUqO2DbM / https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/sweetsours-custom-audio is a starting point, you may be able to just replace the sound files
balmy condor
I need stream content but not like that LMAO
balmy condor
Vulpera is bop
normal olive
dm link
celest drift
Maybe not no @celest drift
@arctic harness modifier/nomodifier does a wonderful job for ambush/mutilate 🙂 thanks again
red pagoda
You have a stream? @balmy condor
balmy condor
Perhaps
normal olive
balmy condor
If it were up to navi probably
normal olive
Nah i just want you to make more gachi
verbal mantle
imma sub to whisp
balmy condor
Jokes on you, no sub button 
verbal mantle
balmy condor
Also sin channel ree
If you want to talk about my stream, dm me, this ain’t whispyr’s playtime fun house
verbal mantle
when subtlety becomes popular, sin channell getting my inner peace growing
balmy condor
Reeee
balmy condor
I’m telling you man, aldor
Pins clearly say aldor < necro <scryor <night fae < cata < WoD
Wait what were we comparing
red pagoda
UNSC is way better than the covenant
crimson palm
u dont have to wait just play ptr
verbal mantle
true
yeh but my guild will surely want to clean nyalotha again or smthg
to test some ppl
crimson palm
u can do that on ptr
verbal mantle
indeed
verbal mantle
rose violet
Weebs out
warm fulcrum
I play sin with most of my outlaw gear, subbing in a few haste pieces...sev/strike ftw. Don't @ me.
Also
steel ridge
Kinda mad everyone pushed the haste build, since sev/str is more versatile
balmy condor
Sev/str is more azerite reliant is the thing
Play sev/str in m+ without eb is tragic
balmy condor
Yeah also true
steel ridge
My outlaw gear kinda sucks in comparison
Well, prepatch will kinda even things out a bit
static sky
Do the wrists of electrostatic potential that deal nature damage on use work with toxic blade?
warm fulcrum
Hopefully that's not too....shocking....for him.
balmy condor
warm fulcrum
rose violet
balmy condor
boooooooooo
devout salmon
does anyone know if blind is effective agains n'zoth neurons?
lean marten
if used within a global or 2 of their spawn it is effective CC for grasps
swift timber
it checks for cc about 2 seconds before paranoia casts finishes
devout salmon
ye our team has a weakaura for timing lol
vestal wren
@crimson palm the point i make is that sin is (reguardless if you like/disslike) the current iteration not designed to play out like it does atm
dh is designed to be gcd caped
crimson palm
The alternative is having downtime between vendettas which is w/e
vestal wren
if current iteration is fun because its gcd caped and loses impact of energy its proabably the right time to ask yourself if you shouldn't look at another class to play
crimson palm
You will still cast the same 5 gcds thst do 80% of the dmg
Like It'd still play the same if garrote had a conduit that made it do the same amount of dmg
vestal wren
damage distribution is another topic
i think weak stated that already earlier this xpac
there is no real reason why sin had the strongest burst cooldown in the game
as this diviates to much from the usual spec design
i mean, it worked out well in favour of sin and it def. has some perks that are nice
but we might disagree on this point(s) what is totally fine.
crimson palm
it was 2 cooldowns 😛
vestal wren
vendetta is still a strong cooldown in sl
minor pendant
so i skip on holding garrot up ?
fleet whale
Vendetta has to be the most utilitarian CD in wow. It's pretty boring in what it does but it's so effective
vestal wren
i like the base design of assassination
but i rly get thrown off by the usual pacing
soft raptor
Should I use force multiplier on my main hand if it sims the highest? I don't really see it recommended very much, so I'm wondering if there's an issue with it aside from its sim results
void pecan
your gear must be not that great
force sims highest when you're lower ilevel
generally
strange python
force
quartz marlin
What are my best enchantments for my weapons? And gem sockets?
strange lichen
Sim yourself
quartz marlin
I did
But I’m confused
I have all my bis from my bags but I don’t have enchants or gems in my sockets because I don’t know what to do... I’m still fairly new @strange lichen
strange lichen
Best in bags, then select items and sim
quartz marlin
I did
quasi ledge
Sim using Top Gear on Raidbots, under all the gear select the gems/enchants and it'll tell you. Might need multiple sims to include all gems/enchants/gear
crimson topaz
Does anyone know why, even though the tooltip doesn't say anything about this, when you use Serrated Bone Spike a 2nd, 3rd, etc time on a different target, the previously still "Spiked" targets also shoot a spike at the new target? I watched Nubkeks video on Assassination and when he tested it that is what happens. Also on the 4th target, the other 3 spikes plus the one you activate do like 15k damage instantly together, which seems bugged to me because that would be WAY too strong, especially in PvP.
balmy condor
That’s the fracture part of bone spike
crimson topaz
It's not in the tooltip though.
balmy condor
crimson topaz
Oh I see, not in the tooltip on WoWhead.
crimson topaz
Okay, can you say anything about the damage part of my message? Isn't this guaranteed to be nerfed heavily?
Hunters or even Dks in PvP bring pets.
balmy condor
We’re expecting a nerf, yes
crimson topaz
Right yeah. I'm planning on mainly pvping.
balmy condor
Then you’ll probably take slaughter
balmy condor
Also that, yeah
crimson topaz
Right.
balmy condor
The heal siphon alone makes it worth it though
crimson topaz
Yeah, I just feel like it's a bit meh for pve but maybe that's just me.
Sepsis also seems very strong for both pve and pvp.
fleet anchor
Bone Spike is definitely an odd case where the fracture part using the old spell ID almost certainly seems like a remnant of the original design
Part of why it feels overtuned right now
balmy condor
^
fleet anchor
Either the tooltip is massively incorrect
Or it's a huge bug
We don't really know
Leaning towards huge bug
crimson topaz
I see. What do you guys think about Sepsis?
fleet anchor
It will be nice enough other than solo play once they fix it
normal olive
is that the furry boi one?
fleet anchor
But it's still broken
honest vessel
the damage on it is just like not what its supposed to be right?
fleet anchor
The final hit doesn't do what it's supposed to yes
crimson topaz
An extra Vanish plus the significant damage seems cool in pvp.
fleet anchor
It's just 1x damage instead of 25x damage
honest vessel
oh lmfao
fleet anchor
Tooltip : Suffering $w1 Nature damage every $t1 sec, and ${$w1*$s4} when the poison ends.
#4 (id=820475) : Dummy (3)
Base Value: 25 | Scaled Value: 25 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000
So it is intended to do 25x tick value in the final impact
But it just does base tick damage
Right now
balmy condor
Pretty disgusting
crimson topaz
Ah alright.
fleet anchor
Sims are with it working "correctly" and it shows as being fairly competitive
If they ever fix it 😄
crimson topaz
I just feel like Sepsis is cool because it has an extra Vanish but after that it's a 1.5min cooldown, pretty long (not complaining). Whereas Slaughter is part of your rotation, especially if you go Blindside.
fleet anchor
Yes, sims use the 200% shatter atm still
// TOCHECK: Tooltip is quite ambiguous as to what is intended here with the shatter
// Right now uses 200% damage spell which is obviously wrong, marking as bugged for now
if ( p()->bugs )
{
for ( unsigned i = 0; i < active_dots; ++i )
{
serrated_bone_spike_shatter->set_target( target );
serrated_bone_spike_shatter->execute();
}
}
Aha
tropic ocean
but can run with bugs=0
@fleet anchor send that to blizz prior to launch
honest vessel
why doesnt blizz just launch xpacs with the bug variable set to 0 like you guys
tropic ocean
yeah idk
fleet whale
too many interns probably
fleet whale
i'm surprised dashing scoundrel is the best leggo atm
balmy condor
You don’t like energy?
tropic ocean
it was decent
tropic ocean
very decent actually
fleet whale
yeah the set as a whole was really good
fleet anchor
I didn't really feel like Assassination was that slow in Antorus
fleet whale
but didn't someone test Dashing scoundrel on SL and say it didn't really speed things up that much
balmy condor
Yeah but we have snd now as well
tropic ocean
From personal pov antorus sin game play was >>> bfa
fleet anchor
But maybe whoever tested Dashing tested it before the refunds worked on ticks
fleet whale
which is where sin should be
tropic ocean
Even with expedients
fleet anchor
It was broken for a while and only happened on direct hits
fleet whale
40-45 apm is where sin's apm should sit imo
fleet anchor
But now it works on ticks
tropic ocean
Atm sin feels like playing dh
balmy condor
Pog
fleet whale
it really shouldn't be global locked
energy might as well not exist in bfa righ tnow
tropic ocean
I really enjoyed playing around kingsbane
fleet whale
i did too
i loved kingsbane
but people just say it's tb 2.0 for some reason... even though tb came after kb
tropic ocean
And build in execute leggy
When i was close behind someone in dps always thinking yy wait 30% and vendetta
😁
fleet whale
or if poison bomb proced
fleet whale
i wish kingsbane came back as a talent
icy ember
is this a 
thing or do you have hard evidence
balmy condor
Ion hazzikostas is pretty hard evidence
icy ember
grizzled jay
@balmy condor What was the stat priority in Uldir for Sin?
fleet whale
haste top
balmy condor
Haste mastery I think
fleet whale
for st
grizzled jay
that's what i figured.
trying to test some different gear combos out for 9.0. going Venthyr crit is undervalued due to Slaughter Covenant so was deciding between mast and vers.
balmy condor
With how ridiculous poisons are, probably would be mast
balmy condor
That’s uh, not a lot of haste
grizzled jay
the honor gear is void of haste. but the conq gear is entirely haste/mast
so its just bad gear im wearing
stats will be better once we can actually go farm M0s and Heroic for real gear
fleet whale
i heard HoA is still decent for very early SL
grizzled jay
yah it is
you won't replace it til heroic or mythic i thnk
that's a level 92 neck
grizzled jay
the base honor gear is 158
so the 100 neck will be better than that
and i think 158 is what normal dungeons drop
but pure ilvl is also pretty irrelevant, it just has so much raw stats on it
my 190 is only 157 stats. 146 neck is 165
fleet whale
I was hoping i could get rid of it sooner
cause when i wear it
it reminds me of bfa
grizzled jay
lol
fleet whale
i felt attached to my artifact weapons....
i don't really feel attached to this necklace filled with crack
grizzled jay
@balmy condor changed out some enchants and gear
vital haven
they have to fix the neck plz blizz
i wanna chuck that thing in the ocean day 1 of SL
crimson palm
we'll be stuck with the neck for a while
fleet anchor
I have a raid drop from raid testing that still isn't better than my copied neck from live
It's pretty feels good
😄
fleet anchor
I think the general consensus from the guild seems to be that they somehow made that fight worse
fleet anchor
I'm starting to get rather concerned lol
crimson palm
I. E. Green shit can't be gotten rid of
Red stuff will kill you if it overlaps on your spot
Seemed weird
And I hate it as melee 
fleet anchor
Melee and this tier seem to be kinda...
fleet anchor
I feel like ever since Ion's interview where he basically said "why can't people bring melee, it's just tuning"
Every tier has been shit for melee
Counterpoint, every tier since he said "no king rules forever" about Warlocks, Warlocks have been gods
So...
balmy condor
makes me wonder if any of the encounter designers actually play melee to a high level
or if they just get benched cause there's only space for a dh
and then think that it's fine
fleet whale
preach and fin in a vid just said that nathria really isn't that melee unfriendly
loud light
tbf encounter design in general is usually the best thing in the game, I'm sure they're aware of the melee situation
but they're probably just not that concerned about spec balance at the very top end since making melee and ranged truly 'equal' is almost an impossible task without restricting mechanic design way too much
fleet anchor
nathria really isn't that melee unfriendly
????
That seems directly opposed to all my raid testing impressions lol
crimson palm
tbh hungering and council so far are the only bosses where i wont be happy playing a melee
rest are okay
hope council ends up being this easy so it's an irrelevant boss
fleet anchor
There are quite a few random "fuck melees" floating around on many fights that still just generally discourage bringing melee over ranged
crimson palm
ye but it's playable
fleet anchor
I mean I've talked about this before, but I find it hilarious what some people mean when they say "melee friendly" nowadays
somber bison
I mean we are literally being served old abilities as new content and you expect them to care about melee spots !
grizzled jay
i don't view Nathria as being particularly melee unfriendly
more like melee annoyanced
iron valve
melee can get to the boss
fleet anchor
If ranged are still a pretty notable advantage
I view it as melee unfriendly
Not "melee literally explode from existing"
grizzled jay
well that just means any boss that requires melee to move for even 1s becomes melee unfriendly no?
fleet anchor
Like pre-nerf Mythrax isn't my standard for melee unfriendliness
low girder
his definition is "why would we bring melee to this fight"
fleet anchor
That's like an extreme "melee hate" 😛
grizzled jay
well cause the skilled player likes playing melee and the boss isn't Mythrax. at least, that's my thoughts
fleet anchor
But say just using Kael'thas as an example
somber bison
Hars but true perhaps ?
fleet anchor
You have all the adds exploding, PBAoEs around multiple mobs, etc.
There's basically no upside to bringing melee and a lot of downside
That, imo, is a melee unfriendly fight
It's doable as melee
But better to bring as many ranged as you can
crimson palm
u mean as many warlocks as u can
somber bison
Plus i hear dot ranged classes will excel in there anyway
low girder
i meant the definition is harsh
fleet anchor
I'm personally I'm rather tired of 5/10 split being the "default" melee/ranged balance
fleet anchor
When there is more than like 1 gimmick fight that has more melee than ranged, I'll call a tier melee friendly
somber bison
In my recent experience 5 is alot
fleet anchor
I mean it took 106 Ilgynoth kills to get a single kill with 5 melee
Or something like that
Our guild has run a higher melee roster than most so I'm pretty aware of this issue on a regular basis
Honestly the ranged/melee situation in raids as a whole just blows atm
somber bison
Whatever happened to bring the player not the class
loud light
they just don't design classes to have a tax for being able to dps at range, and frankly they've given so much mobility to ranged that's barely a factor now too
so the only way you get parity between melee and ranged is if there are 'melee' interrupts needed or you have extremely disruptive mechanics that only target ranged
balmy condor
bring the player ended up being impossible
strange python
Where can I get a shoulder or a chest piece around 450 for my rogue? That’s easy?
Iv got gold
grizzled jay
My guild runs a bunch of melee as well.
somber bison
M0
grizzled jay
@loud light The issue is can a mechanic really be disruptive for ranged unless it literally stuns them? Take Zul for instance, ranged have to soak the pools but they can still full DPS while soaking.
Meanwhile most melee mechanics fully stop melee dps.
strange python
Mo?
grizzled jay
Mythic 0s, or Mythics without using a keystone
somber bison
Mythic 0
strange python
Does mythic 0 drop 450 gear?
And I don’t think any of the mythic drop shoulders or chest does it?
grizzled jay
- 450 I think is from M4-8? somewhere around there
Azerite doesn't drop anywhere other than raid or chest or world quests
balmy condor
you can't get azerite from m+
grizzled jay
or emissary
strange python
M0 you can 🙂
balmy condor
that's not m+ now is it
strange python
wtf
somber bison
Huh
strange python
So what do I do for 450 piece of chest or shoulders
loud light
normal raid
grizzled jay
go raid
balmy condor
raid
grizzled jay
go do pvp
strange python
Pvp only drops 425 is says for me
low girder
if you're high enough ilvl the emissaries with azerite are that high
strange python
Like whatcha mean? Do I have to up my honor level to determin or?
balmy condor
rating
somber bison
Wait mythic dungeons dont drop 445 anymore ?
dark crag
Emissaries drop 445 gear
somber bison
Unlucky
strange python
Any of you do pvp rogue? I need coaching and I’ll pay gold to run me thru 2v2 and 3v3
To get gear.
somber bison
Whats your ilvl ?
crimson palm
I mean it took 106 Ilgynoth kills to get a single kill with 5 melee
@fleet anchor we killed it with 8
fleet anchor
lol Hemo
low girder
are you counting hpals there or did you not have any
low girder
lmao
crimson palm
he kept wiping us
low girder
i went back and checked, we had 5 + 2 hpals
grizzled jay
damn Fangs matches Venthyr so well
fleet anchor
I mean when we killed it in at the start of March or whatever... iirc there was only 1 single 6 melee kill.
By April people had started moving back towards a dispel strat instead of no-dispel
Which opened it up more for melee
fleet whale
i mean i'm just going by what preach and fin said they tested the raid too
and it's not like they are scrub players
crimson palm
@vast forum tell ur RL not to spread fake news
low girder
afaik preach hasn't played melee since wod
fleet whale
yeah but the fin dude is playing rogue and pally in SL
low girder
fin's the same, i don't think he's been melee before
fleet whale
but he has tested the raid as rogue
fleet whale
and he didn't see it as particularly melee unfriendly
plus they also brought up ranged only mechanics etc
fleet anchor
Before the March 5th Ilgynoth hotfix there were 0 6-melee, 8 5-melee kills, , like 52 4-melee, 61 3-melee, 16 2-melee
crimson palm
check april 7th
fleet anchor
So imo that goes beyond melee unfriendly, that was just melee aids fight lol
Before the hotfix
I honestly just benched myself on that fight, we ran with 1 hpal, 1 ret, 2 dhs, and a dk
Doing no-dispel strat was just suck
crimson palm
its gonna be worse now
looking at hungering destroyer
same shitty circles
with limited melee space
grizzled jay
we killed ilgy with dispel strat
fleet anchor
Honestly part of it is just their design priciples
But also part their attitude
Because let's be real
If there were more than 1-2 fights that were say
12 melee comp
The attitude would be THIS IS A YUGE PROBLEM NERF MELEE
When comps are 12 ranged for multiple bosses in a row, shrug
grizzled jay
man ranged still rage about Gul'dan
crimson palm
but it's entire tiers that go towards one side
grizzled jay
1 fucking fight over 3 expansions and they still say "but GUL'DAN"
loud light
trying to imagine what a 12 melee fight would even look like
fleet whale
gul'dan
crimson palm
at least Sire is good for all
grizzled jay
gul'dan lol
low girder
it was more than just gul'dan tbh
fleet whale
most of NH in fact
low girder
they raged at us for a lot of NH bosses
loud light
wasn't that tuning and not just mechanics?
grizzled jay
it was entirely mechanics
fleet anchor
There was still a ranged minimum for baits yeah
fleet whale
the botanist boss
had that one mechanic i didn't even know existed
that ranged had to hanle
low girder
it was true to some extent
but the answer to that isn't "make melee always pull off the boss for mechanic"
fleet anchor
We ran 7 ranged on Gul'dan
crimson palm
Coven is enough
low girder
yeah pretty much
crimson palm
Don't bring ptsd
low girder
but coven was also trash lol
fleet whale
also i'm pretty sure coven was never fixed when it got released
the fight was just so janky
and could be buggy
fleet anchor
Honestly ranged favor has just become so normalized that even 50/50 split fights people have the attitude that melee is OP
fleet anchor
Assassination was probably the only "good" melee on Coven
fleet whale
vial wall helped too
i miss that trait
this is just speculation
but i actually think coven was designed to be two bosses
but blizz combined them into one
crimson palm
Just wait till warriors see sire with full execute uptime
Everyone will forget about melee bad in nathria
fleet whale
zodyck
crimson palm
Condemn warriors have 100% uptime
crimson palm
In all phases
fleet anchor
lol actually was higher than orange parse
Was Rank 20 or something at the time
99% parse beat by grey parse warlock, feelsbadman
normal olive
fleet anchor
But at least Assassination could hang on that fight
fleet whale
imo coven is one of the worst designed bosses of all time
fleet anchor
The other melee were a lost cause
crimson palm
What do you think i feel like on nzoth when my rank 1 gets beaten by blue parsing warlocks...
fleet anchor
Like similarly
icy ember
that dk w/a 97 at the bottom lul
fleet anchor
That Ret parse was a 96% or something too
fleet anchor
Yeah that's our tank beating the WWs 😄
low girder
f
fleet whale
i'm rank 1 lfr n'zoth
fleet anchor
But yeah Coven was horrible
fleet whale
boss was so unpolished
fleet whale
the titan shit just seemed thrown in
cause the initial fight didn't seem to have enough mechanics
low girder
probably was when they realized how awful random titan abilities would be
mythic wise
fleet anchor
I mean if I just focused on the 2 bosses in front of me
It felt like a pretty cool Assassination fight
But then there were entire other aspects of the fight
That melee could do 0% about
thick root
wut does clf stand for
balmy condor
use after exsang
thick root
❤️
low girder
thick root
i just got azerite pieces to run Ct, so ive been runnin a unique burst that worked well for what i had - garrote>vend>garrote>rup>exsang>Plumage&BOTE>spammut/envenom
had some twist the knives
balmy condor
thick root
rofl
thick root
no need to be a smart ass Weeb, ive gone through 3 guides and theres no CT 🙂
can link them all too 🙂
balmy condor
I'm not being a smartass
low girder
it's literally in the guide
loud light
the 3rd pin is the exsang guide
low girder
in the pins
crimson palm
Yes whispyr stop acting like a smartass
crimson palm
:pepeclown-1:
thick root
thanks
balmy condor
no problem
crimson palm
thick root
It came off sarcastic, but i appreciate you and thank you for the help
crimson palm
balmy condor
s'all good
crimson palm
Np
crimson palm
U missed ur window
low girder
rip
normal olive
gotta do it in raids
loud light
please go kyrian and come up with ideal echoing reprimand openers
low girder
mythic*
low girder
lol
normal olive
the kyrian opener is mfd -> kidney -> kyrian ability -> throwing knive to hit the requiered CP -> Wait for Kidney -> repeat
low girder
normal olive
I'm actually thinking about making 4 rogues just to meme rotations
vast forum
@crimson palm what fake news?
fleet anchor
The Kyrian opener is Stealth -> Garrote -> Kyrian Ability -> Mutilate -> Overshoot CP due to crit -> Cast Rupture anyway -> Delete Character -> Make new Necrolord Rogue
low girder
night fae*
low girder
🙏
fleet anchor
I will not have the death of Ursoc on my hands
crimson palm
@vast forum nathria being melee friendly
normal olive
And who needs to go into stealth before pull anyway
low girder
i'm gonna res him
normal olive
low girder
somehow
crimson palm
Gotta get dem fairy wings koji
fleet anchor
Necrolord is the only trailer so far with a Rogue in it
vast forum
@crimson palm eh, i'm fine with most bosses as melee tbh
vast forum
kekw
crimson palm
Fuck that shit
fleet anchor
Akaari 😠
vast forum
no1 comes close to a sub rogue 🙂
vast forum
also, koji, any sims done with new premed?
fleet anchor
Yes we figured out the new new Akaari bug
And why it's so broken even though it's already broken without the bug
vast forum
what's the new new akaari bug?
fleet anchor
It's double dipping all damage multipliers, including the class passive
vast forum
kekw
fleet anchor
So it's doing 50-80% more damage than it should, even with it being broken OP without that bug
surreal solar
wonder if they cut that 50-80% off would it maybe be fine?
surreal solar
jesus
surreal solar
#Shootakaarinotspike
vast forum
the CP generation has to be removed for it to even have a chance to be balanced
even if they completely removed the damage part, i think it would be competitive with some other legendaries Xd
vast forum
you mean impossible 😄
fleet anchor
Also pushes ES way too hard
vast forum
ES also needs a nerf
fleet anchor
Due to feedback loops
vast forum
even if they remove CP from akaari it's still way too strong
fleet anchor
Yes that too, but as long as Akaari gives CP even that will be very hard to balance
Both need to be addressed
Oh speaking of fun talents
I did a comparison for Assassination yesterday to see how far Venom Rush is behind
normal olive
fleet anchor
It's about 1/6th the value of Alacrity 🤣
honest vessel
what a joke
normal olive
Sounds like a good idea
honest vessel
can you imagine
surreal solar
mutilate costs 25 energy? suuuuure
i dont mind alacrity but its like their go to "we couldnt think of anything else"
normal olive
i like things that make me stab shit faster
fleet whale
there were some people defending venom rush a few weeks ago
fleet whale
yeah
normal olive