is decent yeah
#assassination
void pecan
harsh perch
I heard sub was looking really good
quasi hill
@strange python on ptr assa felt smoother then sub
tame stump
oh for sure
strange python
ptr 
strange python
vendetta coming off gcd is gonna feel so good
harsh perch
That’ll be nice
lapis spindle
You'll just one shot players
strange python
yeah
tame stump
gonna poke super fast
harsh perch
Wasn’t that a legion legendary from the shoulders?
quasi hill
Any roguespec with daggers feels nice
lapis spindle
Yes, its back
harsh perch
It was awesome
lapis spindle
Like the 30% life bleeding
strange python
after CE in bfa everything just seems boring
void pecan
Classic blizzard, reusing old stuff :>
lapis spindle
kek
quasi hill
Thanks for your advices
lapis spindle
I rly hope Assa will be betetr than Outlaw in MM+ or even
strange python
Idk man
lapis spindle
Cuz I get declined rn in keys just cuz I have Assa spec
strange python
outlaw was super fun in beta
lapis spindle
I don't even know whats that spec
icy ember
same, sin/outlaw are fun
strange python
lmao
lapis spindle
And why it exists
void pecan
because blizzard hates fun
strange python
I just like slappers
void pecan
and combat was great.
strange python
and im not using that shit slapper assa build
harsh perch
Bring back combat spec
strange python
harsh perch
I would love that
lapis spindle
Dream, dream...
Anyway my go to is Assa with aoe build and Maldraxxus for leveling
worn path
Troll the bones is stooooopid
With target cap ass might be good in m+ (I hope)
Sub will be good though, so much aoe, cc and prioritized mob killing
lapis spindle
You just can't know that until they release both Mythic plus and at least heroic raids
Until one guild cleaned it twice or more
worn path
I can dream
lyric grail
´how much corruption are u raiding with? <40?
crimson palm
79
lyric grail
im progressing
daring tendon
can anyone show me a rotation? i wanna make sure im doing it right.
balmy condor
There’s guides in the pins biggie
daring tendon
yeah im looking at them now i just feel like im doing something wrong im really new to wow
spiral bough
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
balmy condor
Do you have logs?
daring tendon
logs?
daring tendon
i havent a clue
crimson palm
daring tendon
argent dawnrp biggiexvii
crimson palm
This is how you should open
balmy condor
are there any special characters in that
daring tendon
wtf
daring tendon
guild is cuppa tea
balmy condor
don't worry bout that
strange python
Dumb question, but can I use cloak before anguish goes out to just not get it?
daring tendon
lol
strange python
kk. I'm not being asked to soak the harvesters so pre-cloak it is
balmy condor
I knnow
daring tendon
incase that matters
balmy condor
warcraftlogs doesn't care
daring tendon
weird
crimson palm
You can soak harvesters and cloak anguish at the same time
strange python
Yeah was trying to think of which anguishes I'd even cloak
First set and then go from there?
Also, I'm apparently just staying up top the whole time. I can prob exsang on CD up top right?
Exsang for basher, exsang for next set, then should be up in time for first group to finish up?
loud light
there isn't 2 minutes between evoke 1 and evoke 4 so you pick one of those (probably evoke 4) and cloak will be back up after the heart chamber
harvest thoughts 2 and evoke 4 happen at like the same time, which so you can cloak the harvest and not get evoke either
royal lantern
just wanna say
im gonna miss the "i point angry at you and then do more dmg" animation in SL 
royal lantern
i mean,if its not on the gcd anymore, we probably just use it togheter with something else
balmy condor
It might overwrite other animations tbh
vital haven
did they put that animation specifically because of the gcd?
balmy condor
I don't think so
normal olive
vital haven
@normal olive
frigid kestrel
Finally Got CE last night 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾. I can finally retire from this game until SL.
vital haven
gz man
frail jungle
gz dude
lean marten
gz
grizzled jay
grats. guild i am in are so close too.
daring tendon
whats CE?
fleet whale
Cutting edge
frigid kestrel
Thanks all
daring tendon
what is it a item or mount or something im a noob haha
tropic ocean
its an achievement
daring tendon
cool
tropic ocean
its since mop? I think the meta achievement for clearing a raid on mythic difficult before release of the next tier
its also account-wide so it can help your alts get into pug raids
tropic ocean
you can play 3x echoing blades traits + severe/strikethrough corruptions
and your aoe will be very strong
(by the empowered fan of knives)
daring tendon
Where are traits?
tropic ocean
its the things on your head/shoulder/chest
they enhance your abilities with new effects/more dmg
like that
daring tendon
i dont think i have any of that
tropic ocean
you'll get them once you reach level 120
tropic ocean
npmate
tropic ocean
nice so not too much to go
daring tendon
and just got 100 a couple hours ago
grizzled jay
@balmy condor you got your wish homie
tropic ocean
its normal for your first character it will greatly increase for further characters
daring tendon
yeah i just feel weak with my rotation
tropic ocean
once you get more experienced with the quests etc
grizzled jay
SnD now gives 20% more AS for Sin than Sub/Outlaw
fleet whale
i wish blizz had a bit more of a creative solution for SnD for assassination...
rather than just buffing its raw attack speed
celest drift
still gonna be awful to slide in our rotation y :<
somber egret
We gonna look like E-Honda during lust and SnD up
grizzled jay
What the change does is make SnD the best finisher for Sin at least
fleet whale
yeah but it was a lazy way to do it
tardy mantle
@daring tendon I'm at 101, ^5 bro.
I'm full heirlooms though, so kind of ezmode.
on the other hand I don't get to play a ton
frail jungle
That's one ability I wish would of stayed pruned.
somber egret
^ it’s gonna be a chore
fleet whale
borrrrrinnnnnnggggg
grizzled jay
Now we can call SnD a maintenance buff because its going to become a huge part of Assassination's damage profile
balmy condor
Because outlaw is pain
fleet whale
but i do like vendetta off the gcd again
low girder
oh damn it actually happened, nice
hopefully there's some bugfixes to go with our mostly lack of changes
leaden spruce
i wont use slice and dice it should be just a passive ability we get not an ability
loud light
lol
good luck with choosing not to hit that button,
I hope that works out well for you
low girder
that's a ton of dmg to lose because you don't like the ability
velvet geyser
lol boycotting your own dps
tired cipher
so uh anyone have any clue if the latest change to Slaughter actually ... changed it?
tired cipher
well hot damn
drowsy warren
Just what we needed
tired cipher
guess I know what covenant I'm choosing now
drowsy warren
Venthyr
kindred chasm
since slaughter poison was literally copy-pasted from deadly, it had a level 13 requirement
drowsy warren
Since we don’t hate to wait till lvl 13 for the awesome ability
tired cipher
it's a good change, I hated joining a covenant at level 10 but not having the ability
drowsy warren
It replaces it
Yea right after exile reach
If they allow it to be used in addition to our wound poison I will play that covenant only
39% healing reduction tho is too much
tired cipher
so unless I'm missing something, the Covenant Potency Soulbind is just gonna be mandatory for Venthyr assassins right?
drowsy warren
How strong is it I wonder
steel ridge
70% SnD is still only numbers
tired cipher
idk if it's a relative strength thing as much as a without it your covenant ability is not a dps increase thing
viscid cloak
is sin looking like bottom of the barrel for SL to anyone else ?
drowsy warren
I believe it will be powerful in pvp as well
balmy condor
Ye
iron valve
personally I enjoy having the time to watch youtube videos in between ability casts
tired cipher
I'm kinda realizing that I've been really, really spoiled by swapping to sin in 8.3
it's gonna be miserable to play with expansion start gear huh
fleet anchor
Rogues: SnD is useless for Assassination because it doesn't change anything due to lack of energy regen from AAs like the other specs
Blizzard: We hear you, we'll be adding SnD R2 for Assassination
Rogues: [check spell diff]
"Slice and Dice increases attack speed by an additional 20%"
...
low girder
fleet anchor
I was so excited for like 2 seconds
fleet anchor
SnD will be very important to keep up, and still be totally impossible to "feel" in any way 😦
Big RIP
loud light
my assassination class fantasy is lightning speed autoattacks and snail-like energy regen
fleet anchor
I mean the Envenom synergy is totally passive though anyway
Dashing Scoundrel is the only way to make it "meaningful"
And probably the extra attack speed will solidify Dashing Scoundrel at the top of our priority for legendaries, unless tuning changes with it
But that seems a very weak way to implement a new baseline mechanic
Assassination's base energy regen right now is basically molasses speed
There's plenty of room for adding +10 or even +20% energy regen to SnD
loud light
also, why not just make assn's snd be actual haste if you're going to diverge from the other specs anyway
vital haven
no more mindnumbing with crippling
lunar wave
What is dashing scoundrel
loud light
"Envenom also increases the critical strike chance of your poisons by 30%, and their critical strikes generate 2 Energy."
low girder
snd is still 50% on ptr with no rank 2 in the spellbook
loud light
^legendary effect
iron valve
I wish dashing scoundrel energy wasn't tied to envenom
fleet anchor
Hmm that's strange usually the passives are picked up automagically if they are in the passive table
I'll check it out later
low girder
oh really? that's more worrying lol
fleet anchor
@vital haven good to know, I think that was somewhat expected though
Always did feel pretty odd
Maybe they have fixed some other poison things while they were at it lol
low girder
i think it is
balmy condor
Test me next
I’m pretty sure crippling depression is applied from all sorts of things
vital haven
oh shit wrong channel in the first place lmao
fleet anchor
Storm has applied it for a while
Nothing else was working previously though, just AA and Storm
fleet anchor
It's probably just an ancient whitelist from Legion
grizzled jay
yah
fleet anchor
I'm hearing they may have fixed some procs in general though
But haven't hopped on to test yet myself, will do in a few hours
grizzled jay
you can dm me some stuff to check if you want
im on rn
idk what all bugs need to be tested
fleet anchor
Generally just go through our list and try to verify stuff 😄
Does seem like at least a fair number of bug fixes in this build
grizzled jay
@fleet anchor They removed the shadow dam from Evis for Sub
fleet anchor
Let Mystler know about most of the Sub stuff, think he's working on that now 😄
somber egret
White damage gonna top meters now with new SnD? lol
somber egret
awesome
balmy condor
it'll change with gear and the set bonuses in future raids probably
somber egret
i think SnD will be fun to keep up and will change my gameplay so drastically it will feel like a whole new spec'
somber egret
i had to troll
fleet whale
I just wish blizz was more creative with SnD regarding sin
low girder
well unless there's some weird things going on and someone can confirm on beta, we didn't even get our buff to it
so lol
low girder
ah, it's not listed at all for me
fleet whale
go to assassination tab
low girder
oh, derp
fleet whale
not the rogue one in your spellboook
low girder
why do they do this shit
fleet whale
immersion
low girder
lol
fleet whale
each spec had a separate tab in vanilla
leaden scarab
is 3.6% to 7% that noticeable for shadow vault?
iron valve
doubling the damage? yes it's noticable
balmy condor
yeah thats the AP scaling right
grizzled jay
it does more than double the damage because shadow vault has an additional 50% scale on top of that when FW is up
balmy condor
that's literally double the damage
leaden scarab
me gusta
low girder
yeah my b
balmy condor
whispyr fun police
leaden scarab
whoops, soz
fleet whale
yeah the "big" news for assassination is an snd buff lol
low girder
that i can't even get because no beta
i guess the tooltip change is nice so people can stop asking why we're uncapped
leaden scarab
what was it before today?
leaden scarab
8%?
fleet whale
if only that was 70% haste
low girder
melee brain
fleet whale
then we would have exp build forever
leaden scarab
i loved the idea of assass and sin stabbing like crazy. and outlaw... can just be the guy in the corner
*assas and sub
vital haven
so hmm
the second rank of slice and dice is not for lvl 60 chars
but it does appear in the spellbook for lvl 50 char
balmy condor
yeah its been like that for a while
subtle drift
So is that only for rank 2 or what?
balmy condor
yeah
subtle drift
Oh, okay.
cinder nymph
They fixed so many bugs this build
cinder nymph
Nice
mystic osprey
Anyone have a good log of a non psychus Sin Nzoth kill?
balmy condor
mystic osprey
Yeah. Anything near the top went down on psychus.
drifting cloud
nothing really changes
its a 90s different phase thats mirrored anways
in a 11min fight
balmy condor
ye
mystic osprey
yeah. Big difference and output between going down and being up top... Shit dies so quick uptop my bleeds tick for like 2 seconds
drifting cloud
thats true
mystic osprey
It's not a big deal...just trying to get some perspective.
drifting cloud
oh you meant like if anyone has a good log not going down
mystic osprey
^
balmy condor
yeah I see that now
proper sage
where do I fit CLF into this opener?
drifting cloud
before vendetta
proper sage
ty
balmy condor
prepull or before vendetta
super minimal difference
and prepull fucks up if the pull is pepega
daring urchin
any recommendations for aura of empowered bleeds?
balmy condor
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
fallow otter
Yeah I got the code from one of them and made my own
daring urchin
thx, ill try to do the same
fleet anchor
btw the reason SnD R2 doesn't show up is that they forgot to actually point the R2 effect at the SnD spell.. so it doesn't actually modify it. Woops. 😄
fleet anchor
lol
fallow otter
So...
low girder
Yeah that was my bad. Forgot they split the spellbooks between base kit and spec again. Sorry Koji!
Hilarious find regardless
fleet whale
idk why blizz is splitting the spellbook though
just seems pointless while also being user unfriendly
fathom swift
is the rank 2 assa specific?
balmy condor
yes
fathom swift
cool
fleet anchor
It is in the spellbook, but yeah it doesn't actually work I don't think
runic kiln
i dont understand. where are all the blue parse rogues
it feels ludicrously easy to purple/orange every fight, and every single guild has a purple/orange rogue.
mages/locks/hunters/warriors are littered across the universe with blue parses
balmy condor
sin doesn't have a ton of pad opportunity this tier
its just "pump single target harder" a lot of the time
all the blue rogues are the ones that can't pump hard enough and have shit kill times
runic kiln
i mean i get that, its just weird to me that i dont see them existing at all. ive never seen a rogue under purple in a guild with ce, which, statistically, there should be
balmy condor
flip a couple pages farther 
grizzled jay
i blue parse 🙂
balmy condor
blue parsing also isn't even bad tbh
vital haven
ye
balmy condor
like if you blue on mythic nzoth
runic kiln
i mean i know, i just dont know where they are
balmy condor
you're already hella good
grizzled jay
well i just introduced myself
runic kiln
really? like, i purple mythic nzoth and we call a full 20 second DPS halt so we dont push p4 and secret at the same time
missing like half gems and NO CARA DAGGERS
grizzled jay
a lot of my mythic parses are bad cause i was half carried. this is my 3rd reroll of the patch so i was mega behind corruptions and cloak. i just got my last corruption this week.
im doing well in n'zoth tho
i also played all 3 specs this tier
lol
balmy condor
I parse bad cause I suck :P
vital haven
some of it depends on the strat the guild uses
balmy condor
I don't even have an excuse
balmy condor
I'm just a book worm in here to answer question
vital haven
or do a 1:30 maut
vital haven
you are number one in my heart @balmy condor
vital haven
ofc anyone that holds down the sin channel is a chad
runic kiln
better to green parse and be smart than pink parse and cause wipes
vital haven
just dont die to maut because you thought that cheat death was enough to not die to the annihilation
and end up looking like an idiot
balmy condor
one time I cloaked the annihilation because the puddles were in africa
and then popped vanish exsang during intermission
and realized my cloak was on cd
I died even with a lay on hands
runic kiln
super sad. i cloak, healthstone, vial, health pot and still die half the weeks on maut because our healer wants to parse and makes the other healer go dps
arctic walrus
vital haven
just one phase it 4Head
balmy condor
we cheesed heroic wrath one week
I finished 112k
next highest was and 81
"just one phase it"
quasi hill
Morning. Tried nzoth heroic yesterday with triple shrouded suffocation and crit/versa build. Didn't expected that I won't have the chance to start in stealth. Whole damage gutted 😩
God was that a dumb attempt
arctic walrus
Okay what did you do for the other 5 minutes of the fight
quasi hill
On cooldown like a pro
quasi hill
Right
steep obsidian
nothing really lives long enough to use vend on tbh
unless its a terrible group
other then the boss anyway
forest vigil
best covenant for rogues rn is Necro right?
forest vigil
just got beta was going to just dick around in torghast
grizzled jay
well i guess as outlaw it's different but who plays outlaw
forest vigil
no worries I'm sin atm haha
obsidian kiln
morning ye backstabbing brothers and sisters
balmy condor
obsidian kiln
is there already some "judgement" about the gcd change for the rogue skills. net win/loss
obsidian kiln
okay
shrewd night
Well I mean
obsidian kiln
they removed the 40 rage gain on reck which is a netloss
but ye off gcd might still be better
balmy condor
well removing rage is a nerf
but if we're just talking GCD changes
off > on
40 rage probably hits harder than 1 global every now and then
but those are independent of each other
so 
gleaming sapphire
I assume the rage was only added when they put it on gcd?
obsidian kiln
nah was there before
dull crypt
started nzoth prog with the guild yesterday with 2 sin rogues (me one of them) on first psychus, but feels like having 2 really slows down synapse kill times. reckon i should play my hunter until we control the phase better?
it feels really clunky atm
balmy condor
putting both sin rogues into the same psychus is a little monkaW
quasi pewter
Why would you play rogue when you have a hunter geared
balmy condor
yeah that too
dull crypt
well it was only the first raid, wanted to check things out and see how specs feel
already sorta okay with the fact im gonna play hunter for it 😂
vestal dune
In my guild we were having issues going to psychus at min 1, so what we are doing is both of us assa rogue use the cds on the 2nd set of tentacles (you get cd's in time for nzoth)
And you both can use exsan on synapses
He uses it on 2nd and me on 3rd
Usually after the first ones, the others are easy
dull crypt
yeah we did that on first and second synapses, but just existing there as rogue feels awful
but this just enforces what i thought about going hunter so thats nice
patent topaz
no reason to bring a rogue over hunter there
dull crypt
not like you need the rogues burst on nzoth phases anymore
patent topaz
how many hours per week do you raid?
dull crypt
just 6
patent topaz
getting CE before prepatch will be tight
dull crypt
we killed psychus a few times it just isnt consistent
oh definitely, not expecting it
will have a third raid day scheduled until prepatch and see who turns
eager river
oh well just keep playing rogue then
dull crypt
we didnt have a team going until june rip
eager river
you guys having any fire trouble in 1st psychus?
balmy condor
I'd be very surprised if it isn't the 22nd
crimson palm
4 week event
patent topaz
you have 4 weeks max
crimson palm
should be around 22th of Sep
dire spoke
post nerfs CE are worth nothing 🙂
dull crypt
the fire isnt a massive prob, more people getting too scared by small adds and not focusing synapses if anything
balmy condor
they're worth an achieve and a feeling of accomplishment zempai shush
crimson palm
Rogues can solo control the psychopages and make sure they don't cast on synapses
dire spoke
But people apply with it thinking thats good 😦 @balmy condor
dull crypt
we were a curve guild that built stuff from the ground so im already happy with where it is 😂
vestal wren
balmy condor
depends what they're applying to
sullen pagoda
I mean the higher you go the less people think about lower ranked CE
its still an achievement for someone
balmy condor
who are you comparing to is the question
sullen pagoda
better than 3/12 player presenting himself as "mythic raider"
balmy condor
if you try to apply to limit with a CE kill the day before prepatch they laugh at you for sure
but you're already a god to 90% of the playerbase
sullen pagoda
just by having a CE and good logs your doors open to like top 200 at least and thats with those giga late CEs
sullen pagoda
what do you mean handled by like rio
normal olive
"i have 3k rio i am good" decides to deplete a +15 by himself
shrewd night
Man ur ce doesnt count because it was gotten after x date is such bullshit. Just because you got it before said date doesnt diminish the value of CE, it just makes your own worth more.
dire spoke
Some tend to profilate with it
dull crypt
im sure there are very good players that are in mediocre guilds
placid dawn
how do you vanish the charge from KR 3rd boss? is it vanish when he is in the middle of charging?
dull crypt
some just dont leave
crimson palm
balmy condor
@placid dawn I wouldn't vanish it, just evasion it and use the vanish offensively
dire spoke
Just remove CE with heavy nerfs and make it an actual achievement 
shrewd night
verbal mantle
post nerf CE blablabla
it's pretty good milestone regardless your kill time
shrewd night
Zempai on here with that elitist shit
placid dawn
I just had an opportunity to use vanish for both
sullen pagoda
i mean its just a stupid achievement
balmy condor
if you vanish before, it just goes on someone else
eager river
placid dawn
no no, i vanished before and i died anyway
quasi pewter
Zempai go spam some kpop in OT
dire spoke
Sorry for having an opinion I guess
balmy condor
even the sweetest orange chicken stings when you breathe it in
dull crypt
so you guys would suggest letting our one sin rogue focus psychopages more while i go hoonter? for first psychus
balmy condor
maybe famed slayers
crimson palm
You don't need to "focus" em
shrewd night
"ye but ur fame doesnt count because its alliance"
sullen pagoda
the small adds?
shrewd night
People will always find reasons to discredit achievements
daring tendon
bois
sullen pagoda
i legit never targeted those in my life except to kick or stun when its in dangerous position
daring tendon
im very lucky boy
dull crypt
its just rogue feels v useless on synapses due to buildup
except for the 2 synapses you exsang
or 1
balmy condor
CT does a fair amount
shrewd night
I just slow adds to ensure none of the big bois lose uptime on psychus
balmy condor
but generally yeah
crimson palm
you dont need to touch synapses
sullen pagoda
well you arent there for that part of the fight @dull crypt honestly that part is really irelevant
dont stress about it
eager river
usually the hunter and other dps just solo them mostly
you shouldnt sweat being low on synapse damage
dull crypt
true but with us having 20 pulls on the fight nothing goes smooth yet really
sullen pagoda
yeah BM hunter can almost fully solo synapses
dull crypt
and we dont go to 8 stacks mega quick yet
eager river
thats fine
sullen pagoda
but if u have a hunter
id switch to that
ngl
hunters are just next lvl broken atm
vestal dune
Does it go slow because melees lose uptime on them from the areas?
eager river
if you do decide to play hunter for it, DONT BAIT FIRE IN FRONT OF MELEE PLEASE
vestal dune
Once we fixed that, we started going quite smoothly
dull crypt
i just think melee are overthinking psychopages and end up ignoring synapses for the first couple seconds and it scufs
scuffs*
sullen pagoda
you arent supposed to go in first group to 8 @dull crypt even killing it too quick is bad you want to kill it approx after the aoe before tentacle spawn
forgot exact timer
killing it too quick ur 2mins isnt back and it fucks ur boss dmg
the 2mins wasted on 2nd set of tentacles that is
dull crypt
we're still not killing it fast enough even with 8 so haha
dire spoke
Once you constantly get into secret youll be in Last phase pretty Perm. Usually thats when it clicks from my xp
and I know alot about clicks
sullen pagoda
secret phase is really just
people not having pigeon brains
and forgetting bombs
dull crypt
from what ive seen, but correct me if im wrong, is getting through p2 properly is the main difficulty
shrewd night
Unless your range is being pepega and always stand closer to boss than they should when dropping pools
dire spoke
oof
sullen pagoda
id say p2 is the "hardest" part yes but even that is really easy now
dull crypt
and secret and last is just kill boss atm
patent topaz
Psychus timings with tentacles outside imo
Everything else is easy on a personal level
sullen pagoda
p2 people can still die to beams sometimes unlucky sometimes they fuck it up
rest is really you gotta go out of your way to die
vestal dune
Does anyone know when the next tentacle set spawns if you don't kill the 1st psychus?
We might be able to delay it a bit to ensure the cds back
are*
dire spoke
you should wipe when it spawns tbh
crimson palm
Nah lul
vestal dune
We are killing it before they spawn
crimson palm
We saved a pull like that with 2 boostees
vestal dune
But I want to know if we could delay the kill a bit
crimson palm
It's pretty easy now
dire spoke
I dont think it will make the Fight shorter
vestal dune
Sometimes I get to nzoth with 7 secs left on vanish
crimson palm
That usually means you can take off one CD from Psychus
olive dagger
Do we know if assa is gone be good for sl
dire spoke
So yeah, I dont think the fight will be much shorter If you delay the psychus trigger because its all timed from then anyways. What it only does is make p4 shorter, but do 1-2 CDs really make up for it
vestal dune
It was to perfect the psychus as much as possible, because currently we are stuck with the range group doing paranoias
So anything we can improve meanwhile, it is always welcome
vestal dune
2nd set of tentacles
dire spoke
Yeah
normal olive
Don't you use your vanish in openers?
vestal dune
We need it to ensure we enter the psychus phase on time
vestal dune
Not for us 😦
We were entering psychus at 1:10 sometimes
And that screws the timings of the aoe and all that shit
Doing it like this added a lot of consistency
ornate bluff
Just to clarify, slaughter is definitely meant to replace lethal poisons?
normal olive
Wait, doesn't it have 5 minute duration?
ornate bluff
Really doesnt seem right lol so weird
crimson palm
@shrewd night delaying vanish like that increases ur dps from 60 to 200k for that part of the fight
balmy condor
idk what the duration is atm
crimson palm
but u have to kill psychus just on time
shrewd night
Thats an issue, we went from being late, to now blasting psychus before tendies are reaching 50%
Both is a problem.
But holding dps? Whats that 
ornate bluff
I just realised it steals healing too lmao
balmy condor
ye
balmy condor
it'll be pretty strong in pvp I assume
vestal dune
@crimson palm when does the 3rd tentacle set spawn?
crimson palm
our timer is 2:33
we enter just as it spawns
latest you can kill psychus is 2:32
and vanish usage is around 0:31 when the last torment hits
vestal dune
Good to know, thanks!
dire spoke
so youre not only delaying psychus you even delay your CDs because you have to kill basher
while nzoth is vuln
dire spoke
You still can stop pressing buttons
vestal dune
😛
Btw, any tips for the neurons? Our group has only reached it once
But rangeds seems to be having a lot of trouble
vestal dune
Yeah, they were doing that the past 2 days, but idk what the fuck is going on up there
They keep dying most of the time
dire spoke
Bad paranoia placement
vestal dune
I guess, thanks anyway!
dire spoke
I think hunter trap also works
vestal dune
Yeah, they were ccing the ones on the side and killing the ones in the middle
Or at least that's the theory
daring tendon
how to i keep my stamina up?
balmy condor
Your stamina?
crimson palm
dont press any buttons you'll have 100% all the time
vestal dune
If you are totally new to assa, remember to use the poisons and bleeds, bleed ticks on poisoned target give energy
grizzled bough
with 38ish APM like assa currently looks in the first tier, you can rest plenty between button presses
vestal dune
I personally like the low apm gameplay
normal olive
I wanna break my fingers playing assa
potent raft
you certainly have the time to do it
with 38APM if you have a "gamer" mouse with shitton of extra buttons
you can just play with 1 hand, scratch balls with the other
ez game ez life
potent raft
touche
grizzled bough
and while flipping through the spellbook
steel ridge
Meh i dont get the high apm = gud mindset
its not like you fall asleep planning all that maintenance 
low girder
using SND instead of CT, huge maintenance difference
yeah the haste will hurt but it's not like this is a huge change lol
idgi
it's like no one played the spec before 8.2
bleak spoke
Pretty weird cuz I hate the current high apm sin personally
Bring me back to 8.1 tbh
normal olive
I like it, atleast i allways have a button to press and don't fall asleep playing
bleak spoke
Idk I feel like I was a better raider when it was low apm
Lot of time to look around and plan ahead
And getting a mechanic was less punishing cuz you ended up pooling
While dropping swirlies off etc
low girder
i like both for different reasons, but then i'm apparently a weirdo who enjoys all 3 specs so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
bleak spoke
Also your moments of burst felt rewarding to me
Yeh I do actually like all three specs
I’ve probably played outlaw the most cuz of m+
I think what I hated the most was heroic week ep when you’d play lucid major sin
God that was so awful
Hammering the keyboard and overcapping anyway on pull and then immediately running out of energy afterwards
bleak spoke
Groce
low girder
awful
bleak spoke
Essences just feel so bad on sin tbh
It’s the same reason why vendetta on the global feels bad I think
I’m pretty excited that it’s coming off
low girder
i got over it i think, i'm really curious how i'll feel getting it back
sucked ass on my mage though, jesus christ
bleak spoke
I think it’s actually cooler for melee specs to have off gcd stuff
Cuz even with say veins off global it’s still not combust
low girder
i think i mostly am over it now that we're not MA anymore
bleak spoke
Still not castable while casting etc
low girder
with subt it doesn't feel so weird
low girder
getting off gcd vendetta + 100% MA back will be kinda fun if it ends up being good
bleak spoke
Even though I don’t like expedient sin pressing exsang just feels so good
Like knowing that you’re about to fly haha
bleak spoke
Though v off global probably makes it feel better
I wonder what the rotation looks like
g m r v m tb probably
low girder
does subt enable slaughter the whole time?
bleak spoke
Uh probably
bleak spoke
How many cp does slaughter give
low girder
yeah, so 2 + SF
bleak spoke
And then like garrote muti v tb
Something like that
Could also be like slaughter rupture slaughter
low girder
missing out on the garrote empower
bleak spoke
Like 3 point rupture isn’t bad in a way cuz you’re gonna end up refreshing after tb
bleak spoke
I hate that
low girder
if you have the conduit up enough
bleak spoke
So much
low girder
lol
bleak spoke
That’s like desk slam angry
low girder
lmao
bleak spoke
Maybe bone spike so good we don’t play slaughter
low girder
this is assuming MA anyway, which we prolly won't take, dashing prolly better
early on at least
bleak spoke
10 energy casts are pretty great when you have none to spare
bleak spoke
Dawg
low girder
not gonna be worth though
bleak spoke
Wait actually
tiny thunder
bleak spoke
Does the slaughter poison ticks snapshot nightstalker
Wait no way it does cuz it probably overwrites
shrewd night
Would be busted if they did
low girder
yeah it'd overwrite prolly
bleak spoke
Man
low girder
think the snapshotting only applies to rupture really
bleak spoke
Never ever cool stuff
low girder
or garrote but subt exists
low girder
lmao
low girder
wait the whole CT would be snapshotted
bleak spoke
But not actually good
low girder
interesting
bleak spoke
Yeh
The ct dpet is actually kinda crazy
It is actually just aoe envenom if you think about it
shrewd night
Wouldnt sub mastery double dip ns?
bleak spoke
That would be giga busted
low girder
it was benefitting from both sub and sin auras right
bleak spoke
Where when you had sd up the rupture was wild
low girder
on top of that
bleak spoke
Oh
I didn’t hear that part but that would probably be the real reason why it was beyond crazy
low girder
yeah i remember weak was just rupturing outside of anything and the dmg didn't line up
lol
shrewd night
Like, this is probably the wrong place, but ns 50% + sub mastery % should mean pretty hefty ruptures, no?
bleak spoke
Though
shrewd night
12% for sd, 50 for vanish?
shrewd night
Tooltip bad then
bleak spoke
Also the issue is like the actual cast of rupture isn’t as good as the cast of just another evis with deeper daggers
Cuz the shadow damage is buffed by dance too
bleak spoke
Wait did they really
shrewd night
low girder
it's bugged lol
they gave sub the lvl 2 evisc instead of their own
so rank 2 never happens
bleak spoke
So they broke it?
low girder
yeah
bleak spoke
Cuz it was working on a previous build iirc
bleak spoke
Same tbh
dire spoke
Fool
bleak spoke
It’s so late I don’t think I’ll get it
low girder
same
oh also premed is bugged and procs twice in every dance so that's fun. i should stop though 'cause wrong channel
inner sand
Bone spike as strong for assa as it is for sub?
cinder nymph
I’d say stronger just because low APM due to haste
I’m waiting for a totally broken exsang bug to dip into spike bleed
surreal solar
exsang is turds in SL, not enough haste to run it
delicate bone
thats usually how it is at the beginning of an exac things like haste feel it hte most, and assassination has a super low APM in the beta like ~37
gray shard
covenant for sin 🙂 ?
surreal solar
unknown, SL isnt out yet, tuning isnt done
visual juniper
yo guys, if i had 3 NPs and used vision of perfection is it a valid build if i dont currently have any of the other Azerite traits?
woven gull
Hey all, very noobish question (I'm pretty new to sin rogues xD), but am I right in thinking toxic blade should only be used after you've applied all your DoTs? 🙂
balmy condor
@visual juniper it used to be a decent build but then we got a ton of corruption. Also sucks at aoe. It’s fine tho
@pale basin yeah wow heads the play
@woven gull correct, and don’t refresh rupture during TB axzyk9
woven gull
@balmy condor Noted, thanks for the help 🙂
balmy condor
visual juniper
@balmy condor thanks, i wish i could do some of the recommended builds but i cant seem to be lucky with any azerite gear or corruption