It does suck for world content
#assassination
balmy condor
That’s a fact
How much you care about that is your personal preference and how you play the game
Dunking on it because others enjoy it more than you because they’re maybe more casual is not the move though
patent topaz
im not a fan of it either
surreal solar
meh, i like sepsis, i just wont use it in open world unless im positive it will kill, as far as a raid/pvp/m+ thing, it has its uses, like, legit, if it does 25 ticks of rupture and a free re-stealth, thats going to have to be dispelled in pvp, at least for assassin, the restealth, means we basically have a 2nd vanish
granted, i still like necrolords most, but im not opposed to shifting Night fae if it comes to it
placid cipher
at what % should I switch from tb/pb to exang/ct. I see it on a lot of guides but I always sim much higher with tb/pb
surreal solar
there's not really a hard % to watch for, when it sims better, is the general answer
tropic ocean
When it sims close for most fights
placid cipher
gotcha, thank you
tropic ocean
even 3 digit dps loss will be a gain on fights where theres 2 or more targets
iron valve
isn't torghast solo content too?
wind totem
Why are there no exsanguinate build/combinations on herodamage? I know the expansion is kind of over but it's weird it's not even present as an option.
balmy condor
Cause herodamage kinda outdated
wind totem
Is there a site that does the same but it's up to date? I tried bloodmallet but combinations aren't even a thing there.
minor thicket
can someone share the macro for set focus tricks?
lost horizon
most people are kinda done with bfa rn
can take a look at logs to see what people are currently running
wind totem
Yeah I know but it's been a thing for a while hence my question. Is the site abandoned or will it be up to date in SL?
surreal solar
bloodmallet/herodamage kinda get stomped on by raidbots, for the longest time and i think even now? it recommends WV Major
i dont know anyone using WV Major
runic kiln
if our maut kill is 220, worth vanishing early in the opener so its back up with second vend/exsang?
balmy condor
you mean worth not vanishing early?
runic kiln
i mean in a standard opener youre vanishing like 10-15 seconds into the pull when your opener garrote falls
which means second vanish wont come up
runic kiln
maybe hold exsang?
runic kiln
i feel like not vanishing in the opener with lust and prepot ticking isnt worth it
balmy condor
30% vendetta is pretty big
also have second pot ticking for it
so that's kinda moot point
balmy condor
yuh
tropic ocean
Pretty much what you do in m+ if u play vision minor
plain warren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oRBbNhf2DGPueuGCmaxirC
Hey i need some help, i dropped the weapon from cara on the raid but my sim keep saying me that my older one is better ... (The older one is 460 and the new 470 with greater stats) ..
And btw i have expedient 1 and 2 in my bag just to notice that i can put them on the 470 one.
if anyone can help me how to fix this please i will appreciate 🙂
plain warren
Should i put my expedient 1 and 2 on my gear in replacement of an other corrup or not ?
oh okey, but why picking my 465 helm ? Cause the other gives me more stats and ilvl
balmy condor
do you just have the 1 and the 2?
runic kiln
wait, wouldnt overwriting an exsang'd garrote be worth it if it meant getting a second exsang'd vanish'd garrote? presuming you let it at least partly tick down?
cursive zephyr
what da fuck is the cd on exang nowadays
balmy condor
45 sec
cursive zephyr
@runic kiln i dont think your exsang garrote is gonna last 45 secs
runic kiln
no like
getting 8 seconds of a garrote-empowered exsang off and overwriting it has to be worth getting a second and full vanish-emp'd exsang, no?
loud light
are you so sure your kill time is going to be exactly that precise number
runic kiln
pretty much
fleet whale
I can't believe there are people defending venom rush....
surreal solar
what? who? why would you defend "mutilate costs 5 less"
crimson palm
i was hoping to find one log with venom rush in ny'alotha
sadly i'll be the first one to do that 😦
unless someone beats me to it 
uncut cape
oh nice so many rogue changes !
main forge
link?
fleet whale
i'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic
solar latch
for mythic+ aoe should i replace formless void
balmy condor
yeah
fleet whale
yeah lucid is better in M+
balmy condor
you don't get enough uptime with formless in m+
fleet whale
plus verse is good, and the energy procs are good for boss fights
solar latch
so its fine being normal bote iris,lucid,botd in m+ with the haste build alright cheers
balmy condor
well with a haste build, you would replace the lucid with strife
solar latch
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
solar latch
is there a wa that tracks multi garrotes/ruptures
balmy condor
you should track those on your nameplate
multi-target dot wa's are a waste of UI space
solar latch
my nameplate is a bit shit and sometimes the plate goes high in the screen and fades
balmy condor
then change your nameplates
solar latch
i think im using plater is there a profile to make it better
strange python
what's the stat priority rn for pve?
balmy condor
haste > crit/maste > vers in raids
strange python
what's the best azerites, esscenses and corruptions? 😮
strange python
oh didn't see the guide
balmy condor
yuh, first rule class discord always read pins :P
balmy condor
top of the pins is usually the most up to date
strange python
why is that dude running 57 corruption
thought anything above 40 was dangerous af
balmy condor
not really
strange python
are you supposed to kite the angry guy that comes, or kill him?
or just tank him :p
strange python
ah true
karmic zenith
Hey, how important is HoA neck levels? Mind is 98 atm, is it worth grinding to 99-100? Its like 500k+ azerite power per level now
Uhh azerite
balmy condor
low girder
lmao
karmic zenith
Lol autocorrect
low girder
they're like 500 dps each, so up to you
karmic zenith
Ok, thank you
dark citrus
I don’t know about you all but my thing from beyond procs all the time and like 2-3 in a row... so I try to stay below 40 just because RNGesus does not love me.... but @strange python your slow poison also works on him if you need to move already anyhow, he’ll slow waaaayyyy down
strange python
ah kk 😄
dark citrus
At least when corruption is gone, mechanics will be easier without dancing around eyeballs, things, and getting slowed
strange python
well they improve dps a shitload
tall cape
Honestly you are probably worrying too much about the things from beyond
dark citrus
I’ve had them wreck me a ton when I tried running above 39
One is whatever, but I tend to get them in waves
tall cape
Like as long as you're not inting to mechanics healers can deal
dark citrus
However the slow is the worst, thus going 60+ is awful
tall cape
Slow is bad sure but idk, the dps gain is norm worth it
Depending on what content you are doing i guess
dark citrus
If you have a halfway decent healer healing you yeah...
and I do everything to mitigate, crimson near on cooldown unless not taking damage, pot all the time with alch trinket, fel candy if I have it... it was just too much in mythic +... raid wasn’t as big a deal as slow murdering you in mechanics if cloak was on cooldown
tall cape
Just sounds like you had some bad pulls and that put you off. Personally the only time I drop corruption sub 40 is nzoth and illy
A lot of people run higher than that on those fights and manage just fine tho
dark citrus
Your better than I at the game I’m sure. I’ll be happy when corruption is gone. It was a neat idea with poor implementation.
tall cape
Looking forward to that too even though it'll initially suck to lose the shitload of haste sin gets with exped
grim mason
hey guess came back after a few months break
ilvl 465, whats the new ilvl for casusals
balmy condor
470 should be pretty easy
balmy condor
realistically if you have 480 azerite, you can hit like 475 without mythic raiding at all
if we're talking m+
grim mason
what are all these new stat stuff ugh makes me not even want to play
balmy condor
wowhead has patch guides
grim mason
got one 480 atm seems, yeah ill go check it out
grizzled jay
huh, my sim wants me to go double SS and 1 TTK and completely drop DD
balmy condor
seems reasonable
grizzled jay
as full crit? i mean maybe
grizzled jay
don't have NP anymore either 
the future of crit build
oh, the SS is only a 100 DPS gain over DD
so they are basically the same
balmy condor
I would also think clock pulls it more towards SS
icy ember
what is that you are linking? raidbots?
balmy condor
probably their own tbh
grizzled jay
NDui
icy ember
balmy condor
the what the fuck now
balmy condor
never heard of that in my life
icy ember
same
grizzled jay
also, Scent of Blood is as good as SS apparently
this kinda makes me wanna go SoB for the meme
but yeah, do recommend NDui. been using it for a long time
surreal solar
i want a real guild for SL
uncut cape
SL?
surreal solar
shadowlands
tropic charm
This might be a super dumb question, but when should I use CDs on mythic N’Zoth?
low girder
that's what i do but i'm also in psychus 2
so lulz
hemo had timings somewhere
pull, 2:30, 5:30, 7:30, 10:30, i believe those are all on nzoth himself
except on pull
tropic charm
Okay cool, my guild just got to him and I had no idea
low girder
mine are a little different since i'm one of the like 3 people that use cds to kill psychus 2, but i think that's accurate
fallow otter
Yeah depends on your group, but standard if you are going down first would be opener, nzoth after that during exposed
strange python
Whats the best way to handle rexxar 5 mask solo?
strange python
does the 6 second of cloak immune the sanity loss from boar casts?
balmy condor
yeah but rexxar is a sqooshy boy
so the knockback is mostly for the knockback
he's dead by the end of cloak
runic kiln
how to parse on nzoth when we have to hold dps so we dont get shield+secret
honest quiver
deal more damage and skip
runic kiln
what if mages take melee anguish and paranoia spots
full jungle
Thats cursed
low girder
get different mages
balmy condor
Stand on top of them and then ask them what the fuck they think they’re doing
terse pecan
Hey guys/ I mainly run M+ content right now. I have the options of running 3x SS + 1 EB or 2x SS + 2 EB? Which one should I use?
fallow otter
Crit based corruptions?
terse pecan
Nah, no crit based. Mostly expedient atm
fallow otter
^
terse pecan
Alright. Thanks!
balmy condor
Np
green basalt
quasi hill
Good Morning Everyone - i recently switched to sin and i am quite enjoying it.
i got a few questions:
- is the Sin guide on ravenholdt still up to date ? (i mainly climb m+ with my friends actually around 17+)
- how to i sim sin for m+ ? Dungeon Slice or Better 4 Patchwerks for a minute ?
balmy condor
there's a section for m+ in the guide in the pins
usually 5-6 target 1 min is fine for aoe
dungeon slice is also fine
would take them both with a grain of salt
APL's a little borked for aoe
quasi hill
crit mastery / crit versa yeah
quasi hill
ah okay, i thought this switches with higher keys
drifting cosmos
Is vers % corruption a thing for keys below 25?
balmy condor
not really
drifting cosmos
Hmm ok
balmy condor
you don't really need it
urban gale
do you guys vanish at the start of nzoth
quasi hill
better strikethrough and %crit
fallow otter
do you guys vanish at the start of nzoth
@urban gale no
balmy condor
yeah strikes and crit%
urban gale
when do you use first vanish
fallow otter
Next basher
urban gale
so stealthed garrotes till first basher? interesting
quasi hill
bote + lucid + breath + iris/CnS okay for crit build ?
fallow otter
Yeh triple gar rup exsang vend on opener, I don't get any time to do more with my group
Barely get this off
balmy condor
@quasi hill strife > iris
fallow otter
Yeh just smash your face or afk if you want haha
quasi hill
okay thanks
balmy condor
MH me thinks
low girder
i only have a heroic slapper for the OH and i'm not raiding anymore
so i need to spice things up
before SL
might give it a try
i never did get crit gloves :\
fallow otter
I used some random gear for this hivemind slapper
Didn't even open properly because I just slapped random gear on and winged it, I expected to lose gar and rup aswell for some reason
low girder
both pairs of gloves i got are vers/mastery, same as the raid pair lol. unfortunate
i'll prolly just throw this last severe on it anyway, odds of getting anything are low and i should probably stop caring
52% with no crit gems, that's not too awful
strange python
Is blood of the enemy only worth majoring if rank 3?
warm berry
Good morning friends. Do you think Assassination will get its time to shine as a multidoter in mythic+ come Shadowlands? or will Outlaw prevail through the cap?
I know only time can really tell but I'm curious what other people think right now to begin forming some ideas.
balmy condor
Outlaw will still be m+ king
Nothing much gonna change that
The way sin is looking atm actually makes it worse than sub
warm berry
I see, thank you. My heart is broken though.😆
worldly iron
i was active once
balmy condor
@warm berry reason being we still don’t get gouge, and sin works atm because SS/EB, and corruptions scaling those
Fok baseline already kinda sucks
And the fact that we need to crit for the extra CP kinda stands opposite of target caps
worldly iron
felt pretty bad playing sin in dungeons on beta compared to outlaw
balmy condor
Yeah sin is really rubbish atm
And on top of that, it’s still reliant on vanish
Even without SS
And outlaw just doesn’t have a ramp time
You hit blade flurry and go
warm berry
tyvm It looks like I'll learn a lot here.
balmy condor
So you got more utility, more consistent aoe (blade flurry is almost 100% uptime atm from what I hear), no ramp time, you aren’t reliant on stealth, you generate more threat from tricks
Like outlaw just has all the stuff sin does, but better
quasi hill
But sub can maybe compete with outlaw ?
low girder
Possible, but there's a shit ton of bugs and next to zero tuning done
There won't be hard answers until everything is out. Sin is just easier to gauge because of its mechanics, and what we have right now in SL isn't great in m+ scenarios, at least currently
slate shore
good morning all
any one can tell me which part i need to upgrade? , think about change all mastery/haste for crit/haste
balmy condor
Light movement 
Get a new trinket tho
That torment kinda blows
Let’s see what you got real quickly
slate shore
ha forget to change it
slate shore
yes thats my stuff atm
balmy condor
Yes, it’s also 3k up :)
I would try and get some corruption though
27 is pretty low, and if you upgrade your cloak next week, you’ll find yourself losing a lot of damage from those HoD traits going to shit
slate shore
think about using Masterfull III while waiting for buying last exp in september
balmy condor
Yeah I mean something is better than nothing
balmy condor
Wouldn’t worry about it
Mastery and crit are pretty close and kinda flip flop back and forth depending on gear
Just keep top gearing and it’ll be fine
slate shore
yes i just need to practice the rotation , i suck hard at it atm 😦
if you have time to tell me my crappy fail x)
balmy condor
Oh boy sims AND logs
This late at night
On my phone?
You’re giving me more entertainment that I’ve had in weeks my friend
slate shore
xD
balmy condor
What a wonderful evening
slate shore
dont feel forced to do it , just asking like this x)
balmy condor
Remember to gar rup gar
That way you’re already at 3cp, and you get extra ticks of the garrote
This is problematic because Exsang snapshots haste
So that galecallers is doing virtually nothing
Make sure to use it before the exsang
balmy condor
Oh my oh my
What have we here
Desync’d cooldowns? 2 min lineup before the vanish comes back up?
Tsk tsk
So the general plan for cooldowns should be opener, exsang, gale, exsang, full lineup
Which means you’re holding vendetta, bote, exsang, gale, for the vanish coming back up around 2:20
Desyncing like that mega hurts your damage, since big exsang burst windows are basically the crux of the spec
You did good holding the bote, and you lined up the vanish later with an exsang
Just need to get them all in one place, rather than waiting on a lineup here, a lineup there
Same thing on the 4 minute lineup
Rotationally, you’re letting CT drop quite a bit as well, remember that you should try and maintain 100% uptime on garrote, rupture, and CT, before you dump with envenom
slate shore
yes i have hard time to focus on keep CT up
balmy condor
Get a weakaura for it that screams when it’s in pandemic
Once you get used to it, you can turn the screaming off :P
balmy condor
I can’t see your cp usage, so I’ll just run down the basics, finish at 5 or 6, mut at 4
Remember to always full pandemic garrote and 6cp rupture before every exsang
That kind of stuff
Envenom is the last finisher you use
Ez pz
seems like you got that part down fairly well
slate shore
Envenom used only when i wait other CD
strange python
is exsanguinate -> toxic blade?
balmy condor
Rupture, then ct, then envenom
Once you get geared for it, yes winter
Exsang is the current meta raid build
strange python
what's the "geared for it" requirement? 😛
slate shore
yes , my biggest problem is the sync like you said , i need to work on it
balmy condor
Haste
And SS
Oh and haste
And uhhhhh
What’s that thing called
That makes your energy come back faster
And your bleeds tick faster
strange python
u run crimson tempest over poison bomp too?
strange python
I assume we're talking about full haste corruption build ?
balmy condor
Yuh
slate shore
yes
strange python
not worth going with them before?
strange python
I'm at 26 rn, haven't got the corruptions yet :c
slate shore
Ct 60? im at 54 atm
balmy condor
Yeah, you also simmed higher with pb if you saw the top gear I linked at the start
:)
balmy condor
It’s pretty close for you
The consistency is probably better
But only if you actually cast it :P
I would use it
When you got 2+ targets, or adds that move around a lot
slate shore
i cast it :p
balmy condor
CT pulls ahead
Okay well when you cast it more than 8 times in 4:40 :)
Should be using combo points on CT over envenom if you need to refresh it
Only use envenom if you have garrote, rupture, and CT all on the target
slate shore
i ll spend some time on dummy =p , theres is a way to ''logs" dummy training for checking if i doing it right?
slate shore
ho cool , though combatlog worked only in raid 🙂
balmy condor
Works on everything
If you combatlog, and hit a critter, it’ll show up
(Or at least it should, idk if it actually counts fights that short now that I think about it)
Maybe over exaggerated
But yea, you can log raids, dungeons, dummies, most things
slate shore
nice , lets practice today :p
its annoying me to feel my dps being low because of my desync
like i m up 130k opener and Puff fall down to 60-70k
leaden garden
Hey guys, think when corruptions are gone in prepatch that TB will be the play again?
balmy condor
Alacrity
Tb is ‘baseline’ in shiv
(You won’t get the Tb part until 56, but shiv is basically Tb)
strange python
corruptions getting removed in prepatch?
steel ridge
Yes
strange python
is there any info when to expect prepatch yet?
strange python
ah, haven't farmed a single corrution yet. Maybe it isn't worth it then
strange python
maybe more worth to spend echoes on the cloak then 😄
steel ridge
Yep
steel ridge
maybe more worth to spend echoes on the cloak then 😄
@strange python or essences if you are able to buy better ones
strange python
no good ones this week 😦
steel ridge
Huh, essences dont change, you can buy those that you have unlocked on other chars
I figured you are twinking rogue, since you are not fully corrupted yet
strange python
nah not twinking really, started playing 2 weeks ago again.
steel ridge
Ah good, a new rogue for the fam
warm drift
Do we even press prepatch tb?
steel ridge
dont look at other classes, they are garbage
steel ridge
So your rogue is two weeks old? Than i guess you should focus on gearing up for shadowlands and not bother much with BFA Systems
steel ridge
Well, then you are pretty much set for shadowlands, do what you wanna do
the only thing that carries over for leveling are sockets
strange python
wanna push some more 15s, but idk if it's more worth to spend echoes to get the cloak from 10-15, or get a corruption
steel ridge
Cloak level is miniscule
strange python
isn't the chance on hit on 12 good?
steel ridge
corruptions are gone in a few weeks
that buff will be gone in SL aswell, but its a good boost for now
so farm some visions for cloak and corrupted gear drops
strange python
got enough echoes to max it already
steel ridge
but dont burn yourself out over farming corruption
Do it, get the mounts, the title and sockets
I am putting all my echoes into vision for a few weeks now
1k per full run is fine
strange python
how's 5 masking as rogue?
slate shore
full tree?
steel ridge
Easy once you fully maced out... not so easy before that
swift flicker
The research tree next to Mother
slate shore
rexxar i mean with this fucking pig
steel ridge
The other day i defeated alleria in 16 seconds
balmy condor
Big gamer
steel ridge
RNGESUS
slate shore
which essence do you use in you rrun?
steel ridge
Blood
used to run protocol with lower gear
but at this point i just pop everything i have and the bosses drop dead before they do anything serious
But man did i suffer while leveling cloak to 15
Rexxar wiped me countless times
With all the corruption and titans gift procc, you may experience well above 300% haste
which is beyond bonkers for bleeds
tender sierra
running a full haste build and 2 manning a 5 mask with a BM hunter is a treat, everything procs you are hitting way over 350% haste
dull crypt
garrote doing 300k dps is definitely fine
balmy condor
Yeah, it’s not like it’s a generator or anything right
You’re supposed to generate, and then spend on your big abilities
dull crypt
balmy condor
dull crypt
not broken
balmy condor
Seems fine to me
tender sierra
short pivot
Yo guys so ive been playing outlaw all season for m+ only used assa for pvp and have pvp gear mostly, trialing for SL raid team in my guild tonight and they want optimal classes for eacch boss, so with what i had of corruptions and azerite available max i could sim my assasin is 93k on patchwerk, is that okayish or complete garbage?
Ty in advance for help
steel ridge
Well, its not great, yet not terrible 
More important is, can you execute it in a real world scenario
garrote doing 300k dps is definitely fine
@dull crypt mother of god...
steel ridge
Depending on boss, should be fine
short pivot
Cool thanks a lot
low girder
did you proc gift of the titans
low girder
100% haste on an exsang build is absolutely massive
subtle drift
According to Auras on the rexxar fight i didn't have it
dull crypt
i think i had 475% haste when i killed alleria
so must've been proc heaven + gift and BL tbh
will have to try just single nuking thrall then, his boars traumatized me in early 8.3 when it was still a challenge
so i never skip them
steel ridge
The shorter the fight (good procs) the more you will have a report at peak dps. It drops significantly after 15 seconds
subtle drift
@outer lotus how? Cloak/evasion at the beginning so the boars can't stun you?
outer lotus
The boars dont stun
And you take no sanity damage cuz gift and boss dies in 10 seconds
So just beat his ass
dire spoke
dark crag
I proc gift at the last pack before rexxar
But i haven't seen 500k dps, but i also only use 39cor full haste
But he dies before cloak ends even without gift
vast forum
? lethal strike procs do a few % of your dps in those situations
it's all about that MASSIVE haste
lyric grail
guys i need help would u take these gloves or the 465 underrot crit/haste and put exp III on them? I need help because i cant sim it it puts everytime the exp III on the ring and not the hands
iron valve
does it matter where it puts the corruption? you still get the info of which setup is better
lyric grail
i cant sim it. i did choose both hands and the others are lower dps shown without exp III and atop it shows the ring 475 to put exp III on it
i dont want to know im still farming other mechagon ring to put exp III on.. i want to know which hands
balmy condor
You use gear compare
uncut schooner
lyric grail
ok im trying now
dull crypt
if it doesnt work lmk and i can help with sims
balmy condor
Nice guy reli
rough grove
For M+ can I use dslice? Or should I do 5 target, 1:30 sim?
balmy condor
Would stick to 1 min
Take both with a grain of salt
Neither one is fully accurate
Since the aoe APL has its issues
grizzled jay
just play Outlaw instead
rough grove
I am playing Outlaw xD Just got bored after studying for days, I just wanna test Assassination for fun
vast forum
simming m+ is completely pointless and you should tailor what you do to what your group needs, not to what's gonna do most dps
tropic ocean
preach daddy
rough grove
I just wanna know what trinket to use in my bag
vast forum
vita
always vita
if you play with any pumper specs (fire/BM), buffing them is very beneficial
rough grove
Hmmm. I'll have to try and get 1. Never got 1 since I started lol
shut garnet
insert bm sim
atomic willow
what's the ratio for severe vs strikethrough? I currently have 3 severe and the rest strikethrough with one open slot....unbuffed crit right meow is 46.54%
tropic ocean
usually not really more than 3 severe
but also comes down with what trinkets you play
(and other crit procs)
im playing 3 and close to 100% crit in fight
atomic willow
475 spyglass....465 dice
tropic ocean
3 should be enough with spyglass
atomic willow
thnx !!!
grizzled jay
i have 5 Sev3 because sims have it higher than 4 and 4
shut garnet
young vessel
scarlet sequoia
crimson palm
hello what is best covenant for rogue
normal olive
fleet whale
The one from halo
normal olive
Is the Night fae ability still gone?
fleet whale
34% crit
royal lantern
koji confirmed 34%crit on stream
strange python
hey im pretty new to the game i made a assasin rogue just got a couple questions if anyones willing to help
crimson palm
DM @shrewd night
strange python
thanks
shrewd night
If I receive a DM from that, youre getting muted hemo.
crimson palm
strange python
oh my bad
crimson palm
formal protest
rough yarrow
tropic ocean
hey im pretty new to the game i made a assasin rogue just got a couple questions if anyones willing to help
@strange python just ask anything u want to know in this channel, theres also guides in pins that should cover most of the basics
urban gale
Trying to see where how I can get to 100k, any suggestions? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sQ1mgbud2b9L7pquPoEFMy
I know Gorak tuls
opal minnow
have you tried top gear
dull crypt
clf sims higher than bote afaik
dont think racing pulse/mastery gems are an increase on that haste level, also maybe formless void/bote minor over lucid dreams + you could use a lot more sockets
maybe check what masterful navigation does for you too
- haste ring from mechagon, not nature dmg one
urban gale
Roger that, thank you
desert plover
so Which covenant are you guys intending to pick?
vast forum
the one that does the most damage
desert plover
so far it seems like necrolord could be the best right?
vast forum
atm yes, but tuning has yet to come
lethal coral
i know you get more mementos with more masks, but do you get more echoes too, or does the amount of echoes stay the same?
scarlet sequoia
whats the best spec, covenant, enchants, talents, legendary for shadowlands?
can any1 tell me
please
vast forum
@scarlet sequoia transmog is at least 10% dps so assuming you're a furry irl (fair assumption really), you should go night fae
crimson palm
whats the best spec, covenant, enchants, talents, legendary for shadowlands?
@scarlet sequoia warlock
mystic osprey
October 27th. Rogues are screwed.
Hopefully they just overbuff us if they can’t fix us by then.
royal lantern
jesus christ you guys are some doomers
honest vessel
def woulda preferred a late nov or early dec launch imo
grizzled jay
name an expansion that released polished
royal lantern
all expac launchs where messy af lol
void pecan
Raid doesn't even come out for a week after launch or something. Buncha negative Nancy's in here
fleet whale
well legion had a smooth launch in regards to leveling and being able to log on and do stuff
compared to something like wod
grizzled jay
someone didn't choose Stormheim first
lmao
once you chose Stormheim you were locked into it, and the scenario to start Stormheim crashed over and over
grizzled jay
lucky you. i had to wait 2 hours before i could do it.
fleet whale
i guess this was about 6 hours after launch though
since i was sleeping when legion launched
vast forum
@void pecan if you think 1 week is enough for them to fix everything, you must be new to early-expansion experience 🙂
they didn't fix legion legendaries unil 7.3, didn't fix bfa at all
fleet whale
it's usually a month before the raid comes out after launch
low girder
Holiday prog 😦
sand otter
we got AoTc, but we are not mythic
dull crypt
we'll kill carapace any raid now, but 4 weeks is never gonna be enough for big daddy nzoth
sand otter
i just hope i can be a better assas rogue in Shadowlands
void pecan
@vast forum Big nope on that my guy. Been playing since BC. Only skipped WoD. I know bliz shits the bed on balance. Thanks though 🙂
sand otter
Do you guys think we will be forced to choose a certain cov for DPS?
balmy condor
It’s likely
void pecan
if you want to min/max, yes
vast forum
@void pecan then you should know it's gonna be a shitshow 🙂
sand otter
point taken
then ill just go for lore
but if they kill my queen i will... complain lol
void pecan
If you're not a top 100-200 guild, I'm guessing it won't matter that much
void pecan
Same.
sand otter
just AoTc for raid and thats all
but i want to be top dps again
last time i did it was LK
just struggling
sand otter
i didnt think bliz hurt it that bad
i do OK in our raid, top 4 or 5
cant touch the destro locks
void pecan
I'm consistently top 4 too, and we just killed carapace mythic.
So you should be fine.
dull crypt
does blizzard ever really kill off big characters
and if they actually do, shadowlands is a very easy way to re-introduce them
sand otter
i wont forgive them..
i have 2 tattoos planned for after Covid, one is Azshara on my left forearm, and Sylv on my right lol
dull crypt
sylvanas is pretty boring and chewed out for me after the whole shes invincible-phase
sand otter
shes just the reason i started in Wc3 lol
her story is the center opposite arthas
im fine with her being knocked down a peg or 2, but i dont want her to disappear
balmy condor
#wow-general boys
sand otter
sorry
well back on topic
what is everyone choosing for Assassination?
so i know what to work around
low girder
i mean currently for sin if you're not taking bone spike you're trolling
but that's not gonna stay
at least not to this extent
fleet whale
necrolord leather mog is so ugly though
fleet whale
but i'm leaning towards sub atm
which has a bit more options for covenants
though it depends on leggos/conduits
sand otter
Venthyr looks fun, the poison's mixing?
i cant paly sub im hoooorid at it, so il be sin
i played outlaw for eternal palace, and did ok, but the Sin rotation is just more natural for me.
i just need to get better at stat priority.
balmy condor
It overwrites yeah
fleet whale
but maybe it can be good with blindside and the conduit
balmy condor
Necro has always been the way to go
sand otter
i was hoping it was one of those 2, so ill be ok
balmy condor
But there’s a good chance it’ll get nerfed
Poison is probably fine
Night fae seems kinda jank
sand otter
i just hope we can do m+ wihtout having to massively change gear, the azerite shifting sucked this expac
balmy condor
Kyrian is MEGA troll
sand otter
i hate having 2 seperate gear sets
fleet whale
Kyrian is a trap covenant
fleet whale
though it's champions are actually quite good
and it's utility could be useful in the raid
low girder
yeah it's just the ability
i think most people expect some stuff for us next week
we'll have a better idea then
balmy condor
You’ll probably just have other people be kyrian
low girder
most likely
balmy condor
Considering it’s so atrocious for us
low girder
or in the case of the top 20
fleet whale
playing a mini game for a 7 cp finisher just isn't worth
low girder
roll dwarf
fleet whale
and the ability itself doesn't hit hard enough
wouldn't it be funny if this raid causes guilds to switch to alliance just cause of dwarves lol
fleet whale
then we'll see forum posts be like
low girder
but the WF will, i think
fleet whale
"alliance racials op please nerf"
sand otter
im the only rogue in our guild that raids
just trying to compete with destro locks is hard
balmy condor
Yeah rogue has notoriously been one of the least played classes
sand otter
well im going on 13 years
wont stop now lol
i just want to actually be top one time, so im going to work hard in shadowlands, and do what i can
destro locks and DHs i could not touch
i was always behind them
sand otter
i raided in legion for the first raid, and life happened so i only played a few times a week
balmy condor
Was hilarious
low girder
fok on st
sand otter
But ill work hard and listen to advice from here, i use raidbots but i know its not always good to just do that
low girder
what a time to be alive
balmy condor
90% of the advice I give is “have you simmed” or “have you read pins”
Knowing how to read logs and do your own sims is basically all the help you’ll ever need tbh
sand otter
okies, then ill get better at that
and practice my rotation
im not good at pooling energy its my biggest issue
balmy condor
pooling is kinda dead tho
balmy condor
like we haven't had a compelling reason to pool all expansion
sour blade
One question guys. Around how much % haste do you need for CT to be better than Poison bomb in ST?
balmy condor
60% ish
sour blade
k, ty
low girder
i'd start simming around 55
sour blade
Yeah I'm on 51% and its still 1.5% behind
balmy condor
also make sure you don't get a TTK trait
sour blade
Why?
balmy condor
if I had a nickle for everytime someone went "but y no CT?" and had TTK equipped
I'd be a rich man
TTK disables CT in sims
sour blade
low girder
more env dmg
sour blade
fuck me
balmy condor
^
low girder
so it's disabled
balmy condor
making envenom stronger means the combo points are better to dump into envenom rather than CT
which is indirectly a buff to PB and a nerf to CT
sour blade
it was TTK or dagger in the back
sour blade
I highly doubt CT is going to be better than poison bomb with dagger in the back
but Im gonna sim nonetheless
low girder
just need the haste
balmy condor
you'll swap into dagger in the back over the TTK to make CT work
sour blade
low girder
expedient 3 in a week? ish
balmy condor
I've seen it happen many a time
sour blade
I got 7 expedient 3s atm
low girder
sept 8th
sour blade
my optimization is garbage tho, no Vita f.e.
balmy condor
yikes
sour blade
yh the moment prepatch hits im going sub
low girder
yeah with oct 27th being release i can't imagine it'll be more than a month
fleet whale
i just hope they fix that annoying ass azerite bug on ptr
sour blade
but im still doing keys and I have 0 corruptions for outlaw and no slappers
low girder
so you don't have long
you mean you don't like relogging 6 times to change your azerite?
lol
fleet whale
no i don't lol
low girder
eh, not bad, your cloak is just mega behind
so you can't run much in terms of corruption
low girder
yeah, but they have corruption
balmy condor
corruption busted
low girder
i had a 445 belt for mythic nzoth
because it had expedient 3
fantastic system pre-vendor
lmao
sand otter
my stats are out of wack too
40% amstery lmao
i hope we dont ahve a system like this in shadowlands
i miss just raiding, gearing and playing lol
dull crypt
not as ridiculous but there will always be systems
sand otter
yeah
dull crypt
due to metrics
low girder
less complex in each system, just more of them
dull crypt
they wont throw away rng
sand otter
course not
low girder
also 40% mastery is fine
sand otter
its Crit haste focus right?
low girder
basically all the stats are good for sin
balmy condor
ye
low girder
nah, mastery's in there too
balmy condor
haste vers is fine too
sand otter
i hate it when it gives me vers gear lol
low girder
roughly equal to crit
dull crypt
In raiding you want full haste
sand otter
gotcha
i didnt do well M+ this epxac, was always turned away because my AoE sucked
i got 1 15+ timer
and it was a luck random group
low girder
need shrouded traits if you're gonna M+ as sin
sand otter
yeah i knew that, just expensive to re forge that many times
low girder
you'll want them for raid too eventually
sand otter
even with second sets of gear off lol
low girder
once you get the haste
dull crypt
Haste bleed build works very well for keys under 20 if it helps
sand otter
that does help
im going to do my best in shadowlands
hope the rotation doesn't change much lol
low girder
if you don't have the echoes to swap over on sept 8th i wouldn't worry too much
prepatch will be out before it comes around again after that
low girder
could also come out the week after the 8th, who knows
dull crypt
Garrote wont be as important anymore
fair otter
Lots of things will change with haste bleed build once prepatch hits
dull crypt
i miss the old model of pooling energy and poisons being the most important
fleet whale
yeah it will probably be dead
low girder
it'll be dead, probably
sand otter
my Xmog is on point though
fair otter
yeah it isn't gonna last
fleet whale
and unless if you really love assassination idk why you would play it in pre patch
low girder
rip
fleet whale
yeah no tb
sand otter
its what i have played since the game started
fair otter
I love it so I will keep playing, but it is gonna be slow af... just like the start of every expansion and prepatch
balmy condor
It’s actually faster than usual
fleet whale
if not faster
low girder
if blindside isn't dogshit, blindside + alacrity will prop it up nicely
balmy condor
Alacrity helps a lot
sand otter
outlaw is fast for me
fair otter
going from 70-80 haste with bleed build to something else will feel slow
no matter if it is or not
sand otter
sin is good pace for me right now
dull crypt
first patches of expansions show whos good tho
low girder
until you get zul'd
sand otter
sand otter
got my heritage armor
balmy condor
Sin looking real spooky
fair otter
congrats
sand otter
the story kinda made me cry, but it was worth
balmy condor
Not playing sim
low girder
you can do it reacting to the bot
balmy condor
#bot-spam
dull crypt
You can do it yourself in welcome cant you
balmy condor
Type !subtlety
balmy condor
Yeah
sand otter
yayy