assassination

[balmy condor]

under

pandemic is 30% or less remaining according to the time of the dot that is to be applied

18 second garrote means you can refresh the current garrote at 18(0.3) = 5.4 or less

[static sky]

ahhh ok, so as long as I pop TB with at least 10-11 seconds left on bleeds im fine

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

There is WA for that.

Or you can make tmw showing pandemic refreshing time.

I will be honest and I'm using Luxthor's WA for rotation and specs. I only add empowered garrote to it because sometimes I got distracted and can't track it. But still gotta remember that Exsngnt bleeds must be not refreshed.

[crimson palm]

@static sky with tb you sometimes want to refresh outside of pandemic

don't remember the exact timings but you used to do it once or twice during a fight

[celest fable]

what is the best covendent for SIn?

[balmy condor]

right now its bone spike

[crimson palm]

catholic assassins are pretty decent

[balmy condor]

but who fucking knows

[crimson palm]

or so i've heard

[static sky]

There is WA for that.
@strange python yeah was asking bc im using a variation of luxthos auras but im tryin to adjust them to be more optimal

like to only glow when its best to cast, etc. training wheels while i learn

[strange python]

I'm too lazy for going through WA settings. I just add someoneelse empowered garrote there on separate place and get rid of extra stuff.

Cz WA makes ppl stupid sometimes.

[static sky]

It’s too late for me, already smooth brained

Now I rely on them 😂

[celest fable]

@crimson palm NO clue if it a joke or you mean kyrain

[urban gale]

@balmy condor does wow analyzer accurately account for bleeds refreshed too early

[arctic walrus]

it will count it as a mistake when in reality it's beter to do so

[balmy condor]

yeah^

its kinda bad

[drifting cloud]

wow analyzer isnt uptodate for assa

[strange python]

It's just not working correctly with current meta build.

It's completely fine for x3 DD build.

Since it's straight forward.

[tropic ocean]

it isnt either

Just dont use it

[balmy condor]

^

[errant mauve]

which spec is king right now and which corruption pieces should they try to get?

[balmy condor]

sin in raids

outlaw in m+

making corruption sets this late is kinda difficult though

there's pins in each channel

[strange python]

Difficult or no point?

[balmy condor]

both

[low girder]

yes

[balmy condor]

[hard oak]

which spec is easiest for horrific visions

[balmy condor]

outlaw probably

[hard oak]

ty

[balmy condor]

although if you have shrouded

sin is really strong

so

really depends on your gear

[grizzled jay]

Sin for SW weeks

Umbric dies when he teleports away

[floral shoal]

Stuff just melts with 3x shrouded. If you kill mage tower boss on lower mask runs before he teleports there will be no portal back to cathedral.

[fleet whale]

i don't think it really matters what spec you run in visions anymore

all three of them become op

[fallow otter]

o/

What counts for padlord parse on carapace

Everything?

[balmy condor]

Boss has to be lowest DPS

[fallow otter]

My carapace parse sucks

[balmy condor]

If boss isn’t bottom, you should maybe get good and pad harder

[low girder]

the small adds don't count right

[fallow otter]

But that's because we have buyers and we hold dps mainly I guess

I got charged bonds 4 times in a row last night on raden, rip parse

That's the end of my story

Whispr when is your raid or is raid ded til SL?

[shy lance]

I'm new to WoW and I'm trying to build my assassin rouge. I'm lvl 49 now.

I have my hotkey bar set

Garrote, mutilate, Rupture, Envenom, Poisioned Knife, shadow step, deadly poison, Evasion, Cheap Shot,

I habe my talents at
Elaborate planning, master assassin, Vigor, and that's all I can do for now lol

Im trying to build this character for dungeons or raids?

[fathom swift]

If you're levelling theres no like builds really just level

[shy lance]

Okay, thanks

[errant mauve]

whats stat prio order for sin?

[balmy condor]

Depends on content

Also going to change into next expac

But right now raids is haste>haste>haste

And m+ is either the same build, or crit/Vers with EB

[fallow otter]

Whispr when is your raid or is raid ded til SL?
@Whispyr

[balmy condor]

Everything ded

We key push

Officer got butthurty, snatched his crew and dipped, so we down to like 1.5 tanks, 3 heals, and 5-6 dps

But we were shit to begin with

I’ve never been huge dick

[hollow robin]

For fights when lust timing doesnt line up with cds, when do we second pot? do we save for cds or use during lust without cds

[balmy condor]

With cd’s

CDs > lust

[hollow robin]

kk

that was my assumption, wanted to confirm

ty

[balmy condor]

Np

[fallow otter]

I’ve never been huge dick
@balmy condor you are to me bro <3

[balmy condor]

[fleet anchor]

lol pretty sure they reversed the parameters on Doomblade

Mutilate does an extra 5% DoT and Envenom gets 20% per bleed on the target 🤣

I think I'll take the extra 45% damage on Envenom over an extra 15% of Mutilate....

haha

[fallow otter]

All these changes are going to get very interesting over the next month

Gonna be all over the place

[raw shadow]

@zenith tiger Reminder there will be a Heroic Ny'alotha run tonight. Be on at 8!

[high nacelle]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.

[balmy condor]

Gottem

[pallid panther]

Best covenant to try out on beta atm ?

[icy oasis]

Does stance macro works for Subterfuge?

[grizzled orbit]

Necro

[icy oasis]

Ok it works with bonusbar:1

[pallid panther]

any guide on what talents they think are the go to for ass atm ?

in the beta that is

[icy oasis]

I'm testing on PTR with Alacity and Poison bomb coz dont have same haste as on live

Maybe I'll use Exa coz of SS

[shadow barn]

Level 65 assassination got the single target rotation pretty well but struggling with AOE. is it literally just a knife spam then envemon & rupture on 5?

[shut garnet]

yep, pretty much it

but dont worry too much about your damage or whatever at lv 65, just get to 120 and then u can start exploring builds n different stuff

becomes a lot more interesting:p

[undone nacelle]

how do people play ass rogues with high corruption? my vers is 3% only and even with elusiveness i take tons of damage :/

[tardy ether]

you'll get used to it

[umbral mauve]

pray for rng

[undone nacelle]

oh man hahaha

do rogues even need like some % of vers?

i'm having a hard time trying to hit 80% haste with 34% crit and maintaining 40+% mastery. not sure if i'm balancing it correctly

[low girder]

you don't need 34% crit

or the mastery necessarily

just equip what the sims tell you

[undone nacelle]

oh okay

[low girder]

around the 80% haste mark, sometimes earlier, sims will probably want you to swap out some haste gems for some other stat

it changes per character

the actual percentages themselves don't matter

there's no breakpoints or anything

[scarlet sequoia]

[shadow wedge]

[empty ravine]

is it weird

that my sin aoe spec does better

than my outlaw?

[placid dawn]

no

maybe you are a better sin player than outlul

[past ermine]

maybe you didnt roll the right bones

[grave bison]

ETlol, some people already think that assassination does better overall. They prefer outlaw for utility.

[plain thistle]

yeah, damage is not the reason outlaw is more popular, both do similiar AoE damage

[wary ice]

Outlaw is also a lot easier to gear up in comparison imo.

[grave bison]

it's boss damage is bad, but being able to use vanish as a utility instead of damage CD and having gauge is really good

[wary ice]

yeah p much

[grave bison]

I also think about decisions you make mid-fights it's less punishing to play outlaw

[empty ravine]

ah so true i guess for places where your team really needs you to have a lot of interrupts then outlaw would be better

would you say for sin aoe you should stack the fok azerite trait 2 times or more?

[crimson palm]

@balmy condor do i qualify for the nice club now?

[empty ravine]

also should i gem for mastery or haste?

[wary ice]

re: Echoing blades - it really depends on your stat set up

short answer: if you're running crit/strikethrough, yes

else stats will probably carry you further outside of the big dumb aoe dungeons

EB's major benefit is that it stops you from being completely worthless if you cant get your restealth

So your milage out if it is super dependent on how and what you're pulling

I run crit and 3eb 3ss is my gold standard for everything that isnt Workshop kR and Siege; where i run my raid set up instead

that said, <--- 3k shitter so grains of salt

[noble ingot]

hey sin player just returning, outside of pins anything cool i should look at for beta?

[viral aurora]

@wary ice why siege? I feel like there's a lot of shitmobs there, like in shrine.
Most cleavy Dungeons at 18-22 Keys are temple, kr, workshop and underrot.
That Said, 3k shitter here aswell haha

[wary ice]

So in siege a solid 70+% of any given pull is non-elite trash; and basically everything you do to it is pointless padding. Your overall will look better by taking EB and cleaving them, but in reality if you remove all non-elites froma given pull you're looking at 2-3 mobs, in which 3xSS + haste cleave REALLY shines

So basically Im just saying "hey hunter plz do your thing and kill the garbage and I'll just dump all my damage into the things that need to die

Its sort of punishing near 3rd ob; where you start fighting real packs; and while clearing the 3rd boss room

but again those pulls are like 4-5 at most and EB doesnt REALLY turn on till 6+. Basically let the classes with passive cleave kill things that are non-threats and put your damage where it matters.

[viral aurora]

@wary ice gotcha!

[tropic ocean]

Its not uncommon for aoe

To cant compete as outlaw

[viral aurora]

Btw, I go 3ss 3eb mostly, from about a week ago, except yard where its just a haste fest.
Anyway, hidden blades sim less than 1% worse than poison bomb for me. And I feel like HB is so much more fun to play with.
Have around 55% base crit and a couple strikethroughs. Crit versa with versa socketed.

[tropic ocean]

Eb is bad in siege literally just play raid build

[viral aurora]

Dont remember my point, but I never see anyone play with HB.

[tropic ocean]

U not only senseless pad but by killing the smallies faster

[viral aurora]

Talking general now, not siege

[tropic ocean]

You essentially rip hunter dps

If you play with one

And hb is just weaker than ct so

[leaden spruce]

i stil lthink the old combat specc is better than outlaw

i dnt like the pirate theme of outlaw

i might try sub in SL, cos of mage tower appearances being specc wide and poisons also

[frail jungle]

Sub has some nice looking changes but I'm waiting to see the tuning. A lot of the Legion legendaries making a return for Assass is making the decision hard, though.

[plain warren]

hello can anyone could tell me what can i upgrade ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rFrivPwCa2Xok2Hzo9FnQa

[wary ice]

the priate themes pretty dead, tbh

with saber slash now being sinister strike

anything left is mostly a hang over from the fact that their artifact was the dread blades

[plain warren]

so i need to change what ?

[wary ice]

sorry i was talking to someone else I'm looking now

[plain warren]

oh okey x) that's why i didn't get it lol

[wary ice]

breath major probably isnt as good as BotE or CLF

obiously upgrading azerite to 480s will probably get you there but your traits are fine

[plain warren]

should i go for expedient build ?

[wary ice]

in ST you'll get more value out of actually all your essences are wrong

both ST builds like high haste so

if you're building for raid; yes the expedient build will be beneficial

[plain warren]

What do you mean by BotE or CLF ?

[fiery cradle]

blood of the enemy/condensed life force

[wary ice]

I dont know what they are in french; but blood of the enemy and condensed life force

[plain warren]

oh okey

[wary ice]

bote is the Battle grounds honor one; CLF is Eternal Palace if i remember right

[plain warren]

So i need to change my essences

I'm working on clf

and improve haste ?

[wary ice]

IMO bis essences are Blood of the enemy major; Breath of the dying + iris + lucid dreams/formless void (depending on your natural haste)

[plain warren]

alright going to work on it

[wary ice]

Yeah improve your haste - your rings may benefit from being haste enchanted until you start getting more expedients

Also: if you're not using Galecaller trinket on cooldown, and are able to sit in it for most of it: I'd suggest using your scale instead

Since you're using DD you cant snap shot the benefit of the haste circle so you really need to be able to sit in it to make it worth the slot

[plain warren]

alright, i should go for 50% haste ?

cause i'm low atm

[wary ice]

as high as you can

[plain warren]

around 28 x)

ok ok

thanks a lot imma work on it

[wary ice]

i think my ST set rests at around 58% and im missing 3x exp3's

[plain warren]

ouch

i'm far away of that ^^

but going to work on it

[wary ice]

It just sounds it; your gearing looks fine TBH

just low ilvl

[plain warren]

yep

[wary ice]

you will definitely wnat to slot in a Lucid minor

that alone will help a lot even at rank 1

[plain warren]

so more expedient and more haste and then go for expedient build

[wary ice]

probably the single best thing you can do foryourself right now

[plain warren]

ok thanks mate

[young vessel]

hey boys, anyone here that logged mythic nzoth 97+?

whisper me please if you got free minute

[arctic walrus]

@plain warren your gear is just lacking. No sockets, corruptions, low azerite, missing all rank 3 essences, especially lucid since you dont have expedient yet

you have a 15 ilvl difference in your weapon, so switch those around, mainhand is always higher ilvl

no coral/vita/plum/anything higher ilvl

you can just talk in here roodi what do you need

[young vessel]

a recipe for a nice log, due to that we oneshot it all the time after 7 rekills

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/roodi

[tropic ocean]

pad in psychopages whenever you can mostly after psychus realms when theres lots on 1 place

[young vessel]

spam fan CT?

[tropic ocean]

when all are in 1 place near tentacle y

[young vessel]

well yeah i think thats the issue for me

[tropic ocean]

check what tentacle mage/warlock is on

[young vessel]

cause on most kills im in top3 damage done on the boss

[tropic ocean]

so u dont waste your cd on the one they blast away

[young vessel]

so i guess thats not the case

[arctic walrus]

your killtime's quite slow compared to most logs nowadays, doesn't seem like you go insane for the full duration

[tropic ocean]

after immunity soaks

use garrote1 garrote 2 on harvester

and garrote 3 on boss

for extra pad

[young vessel]

and thats a cool idea

ok what about bashers and corruptors

cause i see

that most people dont even bleed em up

[tropic ocean]

it differs very depending on your roster

personally I try to garrote rup garrote vendetta exsang right at the start

and pray that warlocks and mages have some honor

[young vessel]

yeah im getting like 250k opener on the first set

[arctic walrus]

any bit of uptime is useful on pull, you'll never get full value out of cds there

ah good he's here

[balmy condor]

@crimson palm Nice.

No no no

Keep doing you mr green

[arctic walrus]

nope clocking out

[tropic ocean]

@young vessel

[balmy condor]

Smh

[tropic ocean]

just need to try and be faster than our warlock and mages enemies

[young vessel]

well yeah

and about the roster

its nothing special i think that may be a little % of the issue

but im sure i can improve

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1m3c7CXFarNv9V4M/#fight=last&view=rankings

last kill

[tropic ocean]

can multidot both tent sets if they live the full duration

and multidot on spikes too if they dont get killed too quickly

when u go in psychus ignore synapses(if u dont need the dmg) and just pump psychus

[young vessel]

yeah thats what im doing

should i burn psychus?

or at least just exsang it

or its no difference for logs

i suppose its not

[arctic walrus]

stop overcapping cp on mut btw

[young vessel]

u mean dd on 5?

[crimson palm]

ur not touching thots

that's a big yikes

[tropic ocean]

you don't get a big dmg boost by psychus anymore

[young vessel]

em excuse me sir, what is thots

[tropic ocean]

but dotting synpases that die within few sec is dps loss

so dont do it

better of envenoming them

[balmy condor]

Thought harvesters

[crimson palm]

@balmy condor is a thot

[balmy condor]

In last phase

I’m the biggest thot

[crimson palm]

nah, @shrewd night is

[young vessel]

[balmy condor]

Oh tru

[arctic walrus]

psychus 2 is kinda as well

[young vessel]

why tho?

i can ask rl to go to the first one cause im not intterrupting just sitting on psychus

[crimson palm]

a healer's dream

[young vessel]

ok so i guess the biggest thing is to try subterfugeing every harvester later on vanishes

and what about getting the buff in the end

or debuff lol

[crimson palm]

you wont get it

you don't have the raid dps to push the boss

[young vessel]

[crimson palm]

oh w8

you're overkilling the boss

[young vessel]

well yeah but that was only the last pull

[crimson palm]

you need to let the gate spawn before you push 25%

or just lust post secret phase

[young vessel]

i mean

previous pull

when we had boss at 5% and i was before my last CD

it was good for me

we also didnt get the shield on before so it was a good one

but yeah on the kill its just a shitty 63 log :c

[bold hearth]

Anyone happen to know pandemic remaining times for CT and Garrote?

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah

[balmy condor]

30% of the duration of the newly applied dot

Garrote that’s 5.4

CT, like rupture, depends on CP

[bold hearth]

So 6 cp CT would pandemic at 4.2 seconds?

[crimson palm]

y

[calm rover]

What does the conduit "Lethal Poisons" increase dmg on? What counts as non-periodic lethal poisons, is it just Deadly Poison?

[harsh anchor]

Probably the instant poison portion of deadly poison

[vital haven]

getting rank 4 bote is not good for overall health

do not recommend

[shrewd night]

the fuck yall pinging me for with your lame ass dumb shit

[crimson palm]

[vital haven]

wasnt me

[balmy condor]

Wasn’t me this time either dad I promise

[vital haven]

@crimson palm that shadhar log you didnt beat the rogue who had quadrillion tendie dmg

sorry try again

[crimson palm]

does he have a 69 rank though

[vital haven]

that is true

well played

holy shit i actually didnt notice

that tendie guy is insane

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/eredar/nefariûs

[tropic ocean]

@young vessel just make sure that u pop all your stuff after secret phase with when u get mced

[balmy condor]

Broken link

[tropic ocean]

and make sure u use focused resolve pot there not unbridled

[vital haven]

wait is it

i just clicked on it

[tropic ocean]

sick gamer

[tropic ocean]

run all tents wait for triple tent to proc press blood

[vital haven]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/eredar/nefariûs

[balmy condor]

Ye no

Idk maybe mobile things

[crimson palm]

well it's been like 7 months now

ur bound to get at least 1 rng parse per boss

[vital haven]

Nefariûs

[tropic ocean]

whispyr nice rmter

[vital haven]

thats his name

[balmy condor]

Thanks dude

Gotta supplement my gally gold

[tropic ocean]

[vital haven]

lol

live and die by the tendie\

isnt all star points constantly updating?

[tropic ocean]

idk all star is worth nothing

[crimson palm]

it updates once per 24h

[tropic ocean]

they should give all star points by median performance

[young vessel]

@crimson palm where to pad cara

😛

[crimson palm]

nowhere

[young vessel]

just pump boss?

[patent topaz]

p2 you solo 2-3 tumors

thats where

[drifting cloud]

if you dont break the membranes the dmg doesnt count on logs

[young vessel]

i suppose the membranes

without vanish aight?

just step and pump them

[patent topaz]

yes but #1 log is 23rd on boss damage 12k behind top 1 so it still is true

wdym you do no damage without vanish

I mean you can just look at the log and clearly see what he did

[young vessel]

im pulling the boss atm so dont have much time to analyze

just wanna know if its full pump boss and step to 3 tumors bleed em up and pad a bit

[patent topaz]

in our kills I couldnt do solo boils in p2 so I do cds on pull, cds right at the start of p3 and the I get one more round before it dies

[young vessel]

okio

[patent topaz]

but we bl on pull so

our kills were around 5:30

[crimson palm]

largest overall dmg is using cds in intermission

largest boss dmg is using all 3 on boss

[young vessel]

idc tbh about whether i do this or this just wanna do logs on it cause mine are shitty

[patent topaz]

My log is 85k overall 77k boss dam which is a 95. Top 100 on boss damage, good enough for me

[young vessel]

well i want something 90+

idc about rolling 100 its too much 5heading

😄

[patent topaz]

I dont like the boss and people play really greedy in p3 with bombs, my drop is furthest out. Pretty annoying in general

[young vessel]

well last two bosses is a joke to log

but after pretty long i'd like to do this as a little souvenir :p

[crimson palm]

2 more mutilates wont make or break your parse during bombs

[balmy condor]

2 missed mutilates rip 30dps

Hemo fucked me out of my 100

[patent topaz]

nah, not much

[swift timber]

if I'm on first xanesh group do I hold vanish until after?

[patent topaz]

no

[edgy ginkgo]

hey guys, do you guys spread dots on all targets during raden mythic? or only with crimson tempest?

[grizzled orbit]

Depends on the comp these days. If you have 7 fire mages and warlocks, adds die in a matter of seconds, lol. But if your group is less optimal, then yeah you would.

[vital haven]

cara is just a weird fight

[crimson palm]

wdym

it's the simplest fight in the raid 😄

[vital haven]

when i say weird it just means i odnt like it

[crimson palm]

vexiona is the only fight you're allowed to hate

[vital haven]

vexiona is also bad ye

idk im highly biased towards st patchwerk fights

[tropic ocean]

@edgy ginkgo u want to use 3x garrote on the adds and boss y

[grizzled orbit]

By all means. I’m just saying Better the comp, the less uptime on adds because they melt.

[inland jacinth]

hi there, i'm a returning player (about 1 year hiatus) , i'm trying to figure out what to re-gear for my assassin, is the crit build vs the bleed build, are they about the same ? i was trying to start getting some gear close to the bleed build.

[tropic ocean]

bleed build is bis, and also way superior on multi target

crit build is somewhat behind

but since addon is almost over just get your hands on everything you can get

[patent topaz]

our mages comboost when adds spawn on raden, I dont touch them

[inland jacinth]

alright ty, i'll try to shoot for it , still have i guess 4 weeks for it.. it'll be hopefully be useful for SL anyway hehe

[sand whale]

just get any gear you can now don't worry about corruption lol

by the time you get what you want it's all over

[plain thistle]

"since addon is almost over" thats what we call expasion now?

we can actually call wow "addon" and it would be accurate

[young dust]

guys, about mythic il'gynoth with no-dispel strat, how do you guys kite the laser? can we feint inside the boss and just shadowstep back?

I feel naked without being able to cloak lol

[plain thistle]

we use lock portals

and carefully go back to your position after the laser is over

[crimson palm]

either warlock gate or shadowstep to a guy opposite of you

you can also sprint kite it to the other side while it's till channeling

[young dust]

i know the laser follows your previous locations, but does it starts tracking your location immediately when the mark on the ground appears or only after the laser appeared?

i.e if i see the mark on the ground, lock gate > shadowstep instantly back before the laser appears or just a few moments after it appears, what's going to happen?

[tropic ocean]

after laser

it starts following u until laser is gone again

so when u see its on you, you can just run around the boss to other side or gate or step or get gripped or w/e

then u wait there until lasers are over and go back

[young dust]

perfect, thanks for the explanation guys. I was worried about bursting blood exploding on other players which is why i was looking for an optimal solution

[soft shale]

people usually wont die if you get 1 or 2 overlaps if it's not on last phase

[tropic ocean]

just bomb the others so they learn to move

its super easy fight by just standing on same positions 100% of the time

[scarlet sequoia]

what will be the best legendary in shadowlands

[balmy condor]

the one where raz steps on me

[tropic ocean]

wait for infexious to release video on it

[strange python]

the one that gives you 34% crit the fastest

[chrome forum]

Hey, on the 2nd rupture of the exsang opener (before exsang), if you only get a 5 cp rupture do you mut again?

[balmy condor]

yes

always 6cp rupture and a full garrote before exsang

[chrome forum]

okk ty ❤️

[balmy condor]

[shadow wedge]

[crimson palm]

any assa logs from tonight?

[strange python]

This sim game is so weird...at what point does haste become relevant? Does it happen when I finally get my nothing personal trait? I have my three x double dose and stat weights is still putting haste at the bare bottom of my priority :/

[balmy condor]

stats are kinda really janky this patch

because of corruptions

unless you really understand whats going on, I wouldn't bother with stat weights

[umbral rapids]

3 double dose ? 🤔

[balmy condor]

haste becomes relevant always in raids tbh if you're stacking expedients

with a poison build though, you'll see a lot of people with mindflays and crit and stuff

[strange python]

Ohhhhhh damn is that why? Because of my mind flay corruptions?

That would make sense

[balmy condor]

you could also be at a point in your build where currently the other stats are more important

stats sort of ebb and flow depending on your gear

at least currently

all our stats are pretty good

[strange python]

Yeah, that’s why I’m so confused as to the sim game, once you re-enchant one thing, something else becomes valuable

Bleh

[balmy condor]

shouldn't happen with top gear

[low girder]

that's why you only ever use top gear

[balmy condor]

but if you're using pawn and stat weights

that shit will troll the hell out of you

https://medium.com/raidbots/beware-of-stat-weights-240769a5323e

[low girder]

or gear compare i guess, if it's something you don't have

[balmy condor]

you can read this post about it

[strange python]

Thank you @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

no problemo

[cinder ferry]

So I was looking at logs for Mythic Xanesh and I see people doing the standard garrote, rupture, garrote opening

but they refresh the rupture and use exsanguinate

arent you not suppose to use in on an empowered garrote?

[balmy condor]

sounds like a standard opener

garrote rupture garrote, full extend the rupture, then exsang

whats weird about that

maybe I'm not understanding

[cinder ferry]

isn't that garrote still empowered

[balmy condor]

yeah

they full pandemic the rupture

[cinder ferry]

I thought the guide here said never use exsang on an empowered garrote

[balmy condor]

if you don't touch the garrote, it's still empowered

that's 100% not true

exsanging empowered garrotes is our biggest source of damage

[cinder ferry]

Im an idiot

[balmy condor]

and since exsang is 45 seconds

you have to exsang unempowered garrotes

unless you found a way to get 45 second vanish cds

in which case pls share

:P

[cinder ferry]

I totally read the guide wrong where it says do not refresh exsanguinate/empowered bleeds

[balmy condor]

aha

yeah

[sleek tusk]

3/8 t1 set bonus

[cinder ferry]

thanks you man

[balmy condor]

np

[urban gale]

theres no ineffable truth vanish nonsense you can do?

[balmy condor]

its really bad

not worth the tick rate loss

[remote oriole]

racing pulse 3...it sims about 4k dps higher than no corruption (mythic wrath dagger)...does that seem right?

[little root]

youre comparing a corrupted item to a non corrupted item?

[remote oriole]

well i'm comparing a bunch, but purified dagger does about 4k less dps but rp3 uptime is about only 30% of the time, i worded it badly, i meant does it seem right that racing pulse 3 adds about 4k dps by itself

i'm debating whether to purify it for 2x expedient 2s

[balmy condor]

yeah that seems fine

[remote oriole]

ok ty

[normal olive]

Haste in JY is fun

[strange python]

Just confused with m+ build, do I stack crit/mastery or crit/Vers not doing anything higher than +17

[balmy condor]

depends heavily on azerit

if you're EB stacking, definitely crit/vers

crit/mastery is never the play

[strange python]

3 ss /2 echo

[balmy condor]

crit/vers

[strange python]

Ok ty

[fallow otter]

@normal olive haha yep it's the only dungeon I run sin high for this reason

[normal olive]

boosting a 430 Hunter

Because i'm bored

from a 4 KR to a 17 JY

[strange python]

Yeah same here just bored, I’m trying a crit/verse build, I was always haste build, hard part is getting Azerite equip lol

[balmy condor]

I basically always play crit

[strange python]

I don’t really do higher than +18 haste build is, I think good enough for damage lol

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean sub is good enough

[high nacelle]

I'm playing both M+ and arena, and I have 16k echos that I intend on using on corruption. However, I don't know what to get.

Any advice?

[void pecan]

UH

severe and strikethrough are up next week

which is the "M+ build"

and gushing wounds is the week after that

which is the pvp one

whichever you want to play more, I'd save and get

[high nacelle]

I woulda liked something in the middle

I guess it's not possible

Oh well, they'll be gone in 2-3 weeks anyway

😂

[void pecan]

That's true

gushing isn't awful for pve content, but it's also not nearly as good as crit % and strikethrough

[balmy condor]

gushing is hasted

so it's best with a ton of exped

so

its all kind of a mess

[strange python]

man, forget getting this hidden artifact appearance now. every rare in the sewers get one shotted

[fallow otter]

Whispr do you macro trinkets

Depending on builds

And trinkets ofc

Ie. Gcb and kr trinket

[balmy condor]

ye

[fallow otter]

Both to vend?

Kr to vend for me

[balmy condor]

both to vend

but only with haste build

crit build is no no

[fallow otter]

If I'm using it, it's a no brainer

Ye raid

But... Gcb to esxang imo

[calm rover]

Any recommendations for a fun legendary to test on the beta for dungeons? ^^

[fallow otter]

You're holding your 2nd exsang for gcb right @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

no

definitely not

[fallow otter]

Lol

Assuming no vend

In the future bro

[balmy condor]

def not

[fathom swift]

Macroing gcb

[fallow otter]

Why not

Like for maut

[balmy condor]

macroing gcb is fine

you would use it at that time anyway

[fathom swift]

Why would you not just have a seperate button for it when you hit it twice as often as vendetta

[fallow otter]

You can press it still

It doesnt make it a dead button

[balmy condor]

you just press the vendetta button again

[fathom swift]

Yes but you don't always want to use it the exact gcd as vendetta

[fallow otter]

Like this

[fathom swift]

Frequently you do not want to

[balmy condor]

like when

[fallow otter]

@fathom swift i macro gcb with exsang not vend

Kr trinket with vend

[fathom swift]

Why are you delaying exsang like that tho

[fallow otter]

like when
@balmy condor mid fight I vend way before I gcb for burst combo

[balmy condor]

but why

[fathom swift]

like when
@balmy condor if you wanna preplace your gcb to get max value on current bleeds before you exsang

[balmy condor]

meh

I'm too lazy for that shit

[fallow otter]

Why are you delaying exsang like that tho
@fathom swift you don't get a second vend

[balmy condor]

kinda whatever dps wise imo

unless its like a 9 minute fight where that happens a billion times

[fathom swift]

Sure if you dont care its whatever its just better to have them on different buttons so you have more control over how you use them

[balmy condor]

yeah I'm sure its like 300 dps or something

its just not worth it to me

[fathom swift]

you don't get a second vend
@fallow otter whats your kill time

[fallow otter]

Sub 2mins if you want to parse

[fathom swift]

So why not hold gcb for 3rd exsang instead of losing an exsang cast

[fallow otter]

That log didn't make it

1.20 kill

[fathom swift]

Ok thats why i asked the kill time

[fallow otter]

Yeh

[fathom swift]

Sub 2 min and 1.20 are very different obv

[fallow otter]

Yeh pot gcb exsang

There is a big Korean log

Let me just see if that's from IS bs

Nah its IS

[fallow otter]

So anyway what getting to is that

If it's a fight where you get 3rd vendetta

Well be delaying it for exsang for the 3rd right

Slightly

[vital haven]

there used to be a pin detailing how to use gcb

back in uldir when gbc and exsang were popular

but then the toxic blade/ma nation attacked

[fallow otter]

There are situations where you want to delay exsang and use with gcb I guess it's my point

Depending on kill timers etc

Ok ta @vital haven thought so

[fathom swift]

Its usually only your very last one that you would delay one of them

[tribal marlin]

Would not recommend to macro GCB and Exsg because of some wierd lag/server interaction You absolutely need to have that haste the moment you press exsg because of snapshot

if an wierd server tick shit lag make so that you haste is update 0.2sec after Exsg, you fuckd

[fallow otter]

True

[tribal marlin]

Also because of it's snapshotting nature you probably want to press exsg at very last sec of GCB. Old Uldir opener used GCB on the pull with Exsg pressed like 7-8sec after oponer

[fathom swift]

Ya exactly

[fallow otter]

Mmm that's interesting

[manic harness]

Is it somehow bad to bind LGP to Vendetta?

[balmy condor]

no idea what LGP is

[manic harness]

Lustrous

KR trinket

[balmy condor]

no that's fine

[manic harness]

"no idea what that is" lol I feel that way everytime I switch Disc channels here

[balmy condor]

I mean

no one says LGP

so

[manic harness]

True

so I have a question

I'm trying to improve DPS, and I use the standard Exsang opener

My next exsang is in 45s but generally there's nothing to empower that one

[balmy condor]

yes

[manic harness]

so let's say timeline is opening exsang 0, unempowered exsang 45, next exsang 90, vendetta/vanish/garrote 120, exsang 135

I know this sounds dumb but I just want to make sure I'm getting it right

I would delay exsang 90 to line up with vvg 120

right?

[balmy condor]

you hold vendetta/vanish 120 for exsang 135

[manic harness]

kk

See that's where I was misunderstanding then

so I would delay vvg for 15s, not vendetta for 30s

[balmy condor]

you mean not exsang for 30

and yes

opener
exsang
exsang
cd's

[manic harness]

yes that's what i meant

thank you

I think that lines up better with the delayed Vanish too

since my vanish is often like 8s behind Vendetta

[fallow otter]

you hold vendetta/vanish 120 for exsang 135
@balmy condor yeah this is what we were just discussing basically, this one line up because you are delaying vend for vanish so exsang comes up also

But the next one... Not that this comes up these days with kill timers

We use vanish at the start

Instead of after exsang

So instead of being like 10s after exsang it's like 5s before

Which is what i was asking about

[manic harness]

Hmm

But wouldn't that interfere with the initial SS empowered garrotes?

[fallow otter]

So I was asking about delaying the first exsang after this to line up with gcb

But wouldn't that interfere with the initial SS empowered garrotes?
@manic harness which?

You mean vanish gar in opener?

You only do this after it falls off

[manic harness]

Garrote, Rupture, Garrote, Vendetta, Mut, 6cp rupture, Exsang, when Empowered Garrote falls, I vanish for re-stealth empowered Garrote

Am I doing something abnormal here?

[balmy condor]

no

[manic harness]

Where would you Vanish in your opener, Stunkei?

[fallow otter]

But the next vendetta

[manic harness]

Thank you @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

he's talking about weird kill times

[fallow otter]

Nah not even weird

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

[fallow otter]

The next vend

[balmy condor]

but just short

[manic harness]

I mean I guess I'll just take what I've learned then

@balmy condor thank you for the guidance

[balmy condor]

np

[fallow otter]

So vend2

[manic harness]

So for me it's opener, exsang, exsang, cooldowns exsang

[fallow otter]

You vend vanish gar etc

[manic harness]

not opener, exsang, delay til cooldowns and exsang

[fathom swift]

What kill time are you talking about specifically stunkei

[fallow otter]

Well the one was discussing with you earlier was 1.20

But this is a bit different now

That one is pretty easy decision

So vend2 and vanish line up

Right

So 120s

135s for 3 exsangs

But you gotta add like 5s to that

To get to exsang

So let's say perfect world 140s

So we hold CDs for 20s perfect world

My question is should we hold an exsang and line it up with gcb instead of holding vend/vanish

Which means one less exsang but no holding cd and we gain snap shotting exsang with gcb

Am I missing something here

[fathom swift]

Try it in the apl

Almost certainly not

[manic harness]

For Deeper Strategem, does the 5% increased damage to finishers only apply to 6 CP finishers? Or is the increased damage independent of the combo points spent?

[fathom swift]

In fact I'm pretty sure I've tried simming holding exsang for gcb and it wasnt a gain

[fallow otter]

So unless you can't get the next vend off and use the duration it's not a gain

Ie. You can't delay and use it

[balmy condor]

@manic harness all finishers at all CP

[fathom swift]

Ok sim that then

See if it is

But the fight length youd need would have to be incredibly specific

[fallow otter]

It would only be for after vend2

[manic harness]

so I think a major improvement I can make it to always make sure my Rupture is 6 CP applied before using Vendetta

[balmy condor]

yes

full 6cp pandemic rupture and full pandemic garrote

before every exsang

[fallow otter]

Makes me feel better that you tried simming it already

[manic harness]

I know the sticky says to ensure always at least 16s on Garrote

Before Exsang

[balmy condor]

that's outdated

[manic harness]

Is that still correct?

[fallow otter]

I have nfi how to sim that tho sadly

[manic harness]

Okay

[balmy condor]

always 6cp and garrote

full pandemic

[manic harness]

so iirc Rupture's full Pandemic duration is 33s, what about Garrote?

Do you know off the top of your head?

[balmy condor]

18+5.4

so

23.4

[manic harness]

23?

kk

Man this is gonna be hard to make a change before next raid week

TO THE DUMMY I GO THIS WEEKEND

[fallow otter]

I just make sure I gar before exsang

In the combo points for rup

[balmy condor]

isn't rupture full pandemic 36.4

[fallow otter]

Depending on crits

[manic harness]

yes it's 36

So...if my opener was correct, is there a way to ensure opening Garrote is still empowered but also full pandemic?

[balmy condor]

wdym

[manic harness]

Cause I think we just have to make a sacrifice for the first Exsang?

[balmy condor]

that's why you double garrote

in the opener

[manic harness]

hmm

Yes which puts it at 23s

Vendetta, Mut, Rupture, Exsang is 4 seconds

so it only comes out to 19

[balmy condor]

yeah

but how else are you gonna pandemic the rupture

[manic harness]

Exactly

so the first one is just gonna end up at 19s before Exsang

that's what I'm trying to clarify

[balmy condor]

yeah

[fallow otter]

Robbing Peter to pay Paul

[balmy condor]

its not very important though

like this isn't something to think about tbh

[manic harness]

Right, I figured that was just kind of sacrificed

but I'm trying to think about how to ensure next two exsangs ensure full pandemiced

[balmy condor]

you just cast a 6cp rupture and a garrote

and then hit exsang

[manic harness]

Let me beat on dummy for a min

[balmy condor]

so that's either mut mut to 5 and garrote rupture

or mut to 6 and then rup garrote

[manic harness]

hmm

How many seconds do I need to have on Garrote before it's reapp for exsang?

[fallow otter]

@fathom swift you know anyone else might have done the math on this question

[balmy condor]

not sure what the question is

[manic harness]

This is surprisingly hard to visualize without just trying lol

[fathom swift]

Nah its not that hard to mess with the apl tho

Its pretty straightforward to learn

[fallow otter]

Just using advanced sim?

[manic harness]

@balmy condor, what I meant was that to ensure that my Garrote applied right before Exsang gets full pandemic, I need X amount of seconds left on garrote already applied to target

Answer seems to be 6 seconds

[balmy condor]

well max pandemic is 5.4

so

[manic harness]

yep

[balmy condor]

as long as its more than that

[fallow otter]

5.4+

Ye

[manic harness]

Nice, already seeing a damage difference from my Exsang damage macro

Thank you again Whispyr

[balmy condor]

your what macro

[manic harness]

uhh

Macro that calculates damage done during Exsang

I'm not sure how smart it is but it seems to work

Err meant WA

not macro

[balmy condor]

so

[manic harness]

sorry LOL

[balmy condor]

its just a dps meter

[manic harness]

Kind of?

would you like to try it?

It's WA

[balmy condor]

nah I'm good

[manic harness]

kk

[balmy condor]

I have details and logs

[manic harness]

It's fun to see a representation in game though

like while you are playing

[balmy condor]

ye but its also kinda just clutter

[manic harness]

at the end of the day, I guess

[fallow otter]

I used to like that for purifying stagger

On monk

And legion artifact weapon minigame

For sin

[severe narwhal]

whats better for mythic nnzoth , sin or outlaw

[main warren]

which do you prefer

[severe narwhal]

sin

[balmy condor]

Then play that

They each are strong at their own thing thing

Generally though, I think outlaw is the preferred spec

[patent topaz]

depens on how many op classes you have in your group

I would never go outlaw, id do nothing in my group

[severe narwhal]

3 dhs 2 fire mages 2 locks

[patent topaz]

any hunters?

[severe narwhal]

2

3*

[patent topaz]

then id say go assa

tentacles will insta die and thots too

[severe narwhal]

yea they do

im like prio damage for nzoth

[topaz axle]

crit build sin with reaping flames carries psychus phases for my guild

me and another rogue run crit build and 2man the tendy's, everyone else pumps psychus

[balmy condor]

#wow-general

[whole peak]

Sorry

[balmy condor]

Np

[warm olive]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=317580/diminishing-returns-in-secondary-stat-ratings-in-shadowlands
have you seen this? this sounds like gearing choices will be a pain in the ass

[grizzled jay]

you'll just sim like you always do anyways. APL will implement any scaling issues.

[warm olive]

so far imho you could in most cases identify an upgrade without simming, if it had higher ilvl and bis stats, you were usually fine.

[raw shadow]

New seasonal affix: Reflection: When a direct damaging ability is used, every yard you are away from an enemy, reflect 6% damage dealt to that enemy to every party member, stacking up to 40 times. Doesn't apply to targets in melee range. wtf have you guys seen this?

@zenith tiger sent it to me

[zenith tiger]

[shrewd night]

Oh, Im sure we've all had ideas for dumb affixes when we were intoxicated. Unless you got a source, however...

[raw shadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/416655186321342511/746271564902694932/unknown.png

@shrewd night

[shrewd night]

wtf

[ruby ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/96mCR5ro4QN8TErz2Piixq

Can someone help me read this? It looks like Wristwraps of Volatile Power and Hound-Jowel Waistband would both be upgrades if they had sockets, but because it can't sim with both it isn't showing them like that? Also, I'm assuming the socketed GCB would continue to be an improvement over a socketed Feather?

[raw shadow]

i think gcb gains a lot of value from nelf

[drifting cloud]

the seasonal affix is Prideful its already on beta?

[raw shadow]

cause you can smeld ur garrote for the galecallers>xsang

[ruby ibex]

<am undead, but that's good to know

[raw shadow]

id always run feather in that case

[fallow otter]

I gear for gcb sim and just switch in feather for fights with movement

[quartz creek]

would a gm refund my bought 475 azerite piece if its the same one back to back?

[drifting cloud]

[quartz creek]

sots shoulders back to back

[solar flicker]

roll better lol.

[rancid sphinx]

is stacking gushing wound is the best corruption for pvp?

[balmy condor]

Yes, but also #pvp

@ruby ibex little late here, but generally gale will always sim higher than a plumage given similar ilvl/sockets. Your socket/gear questions are exactly the kind of thing gear compare is used for. If you don’t want to do that, you can also just add sockets to gear but adding gem id’s to the ends of the gear strings. You’re correct in saying that both pieces would be upgrades with sockets compared to their current equipped counterparts. Especially with wrists, sockets are kinda huge. While a 465 set of legs can have 300-350 secondary stat and a ton of agi, 475 Skitra bracers for example are under 200 secondary, and have less agi. They both take up a slot, but the comparison from X bracer to Y bracer with a socket is going to naturally tend more towards that socket because it’s a big boost

[ruby ibex]

Righteous!

[zinc zephyr]

both crippling and mind-numbing poison has been available to apply on shadowlands for months now, could it be we don't have to choose anymore?

[balmy condor]

Yes

With leeching, sin can have 4 poisons up at once

[zinc zephyr]

then it means shiv is a massive slow + enrage dispel in the same button

for outlaw + sub atleast

😄

i dont think i'll dispel enrage as assa xd

[balmy condor]

Not sure about the implications of shiv tbh

Because to me, and for most PVE, it’s just toxic blade with a different name

[zinc zephyr]

it is

[balmy condor]

But yeah, it does dispel enrage, and I assume it adds a sick slow too

[ruby ibex]

That's an actual Shadowlands thing though, because it doesn't on PTR yet (the PvP one does, but that's also on live)

[zinc zephyr]

but it isn't right to chain utility to a dps cooldown

[balmy condor]

I don’t think it’s inherently a problem

I think there’s places where it becomes problematic

Like between the eyes being a kidney replacement, but also a core DPS cooldown

That’s an issue

But I think the niche of an enrage dispel is rare enough to warrant the thought of “do I use now for 100% dps, or is there an enrage in the next X seconds”

I think the slow portion isn’t really that major

So that’s kinda whatever

[zinc zephyr]

hmm I agree kinda

[balmy condor]

In the situations where the slow from shiv is counter-acting what you want, you wouldn’t want crippling anyway

So you would take crippling off to begin with

[zinc zephyr]

atleast we can join the few classes that can dispel enrage

[balmy condor]

Like on sanguine weeks for example

Crippling in general, having a perma slow

Kinda blows

[zinc zephyr]

the only other spec that can do it passive is frostmage right?

to this extent

[balmy condor]

Yeah

But there’s a lot of harder Aoe cc obviously that’s usually more effective

Soft CC like slows have their place but usually aren’t as omegapog

[zinc zephyr]

only if the tanks knows when to run 😄

[balmy condor]

Well even then

Something like rop, vortex, binding shot, leg sweep, grips, stuns

To drop necrotic stacks for example

[zinc zephyr]

I miss the 70% slow tho

that was bonkers

[uncut schooner]

...

Wtf is this.

[zinc zephyr]

wdym?

[uncut schooner]

Diminishing returns on secondary stats.

[balmy condor]

Probably not much of a difference

Just blizzard jank trying to tune down end of expansion power creep

[zinc zephyr]

if they don't bring back some type of stat boost system like corruption I don't think DR would be a problem

[uncut schooner]

I mean if you have any stat over 25%, you're immediately losing 10% of it.

[swift timber]

damn that's a huge nerf to 34% crit

[uncut schooner]

Then 20% if its 34% or above.

Rip 34% crit.

[swift timber]

hopefully 33.9% is still viable

[uncut schooner]

You'll need a whole 10 extra crit.

350 crit for 34% crit

Instead of 340.

[balmy condor]

Since it’s only on points above 25%

[crimson palm]

[balmy condor]

You’ll not notice anything much

It might add back some breakpoints here or there

But it’s nothing that current stats aren’t experiencing either tbh

Currently you’re seeing some crazy stat scaling because of how corruptions and just massive amounts of raw stats skew stat plotting

It’s gonna be less bad in shadowlands because no corruption

[zinc zephyr]

and no 3k stats from 3x azerite stack

[balmy condor]

But it just means that you’ll have stats ebb and flow into and out of being you’re “best” stat

Which is exactly the same as it works now

[uncut schooner]

Yeah, the main thing I'm taking from this is that it just means we'll be looking at switching to other secondary stats beyond a certain threshold.

[balmy condor]

Not necessarily tbh

Since this only affects stat points on your character, and not stat% gains like alacrity

[open reef]

how is assasination on beta comparing with other specs, gameplay wise - are You guys enjoying it ?

[balmy condor]

You only need haste to be 10% better than everything else past that 25% bracket

Yes the 40% bracket will get nuts

[uncut schooner]

After switching to alacrity tbh assa feels fine.

[balmy condor]

But generally speaking, it’s actually not that bad

For a lot of classes where stats aren’t as close together

And they want to full stack one stat and one stat only

[uncut schooner]

I mean

[balmy condor]

This hits those guys a lot harder

[uncut schooner]

Isn't that basically fire mage.

[balmy condor]

Fire mage is one of those at the moment, yes

[uncut schooner]

blizzard introduces diminishing stat returns fire mages wish to know your location

[balmy condor]

But even for fire mages

This is still fine

They just can’t stack ONLY mastery

[open reef]

i guess alacrity is talent to go til last patch

[balmy condor]

But with how strong mastery is for them

Even with a 20%,30% reduction

It’s still competitive

[uncut schooner]

I'd say Alacrity is the only real viable pick in that row atm anyway @open reef

[balmy condor]

So in practicality, the scaling change actually doesn’t do all that much

In fact, this is basically the same thing they do with secondary stat scaling according to item level

I think back in mop

They made it so that 5 ilvl isn’t the same increase

470-475 is different from 405-410

In terms of the stats you gain

And that’s sort of hidden tech that people forget about, cause it doesn’t really impact all that much

[low girder]

unless i'm thinking of a different change, that happened in bfa

where secondary's increase via item level was massively reduced

[balmy condor]

Maybe

I though the curve was there for a while

But they flattened it in bfa

[shrewd night]

Diminishing returns on secondaries doesnt mean shit if one stat severely outpaces another though

[low girder]

there might have been a curve before that, but yeah bfa it was squished real hard

[balmy condor]

Either way

It’s a similar thing

And that ilvl scaling curve doesn’t affect us that much

You still see things like cara boots

Not ideal stats, but it’s 10 ilvl higher, so I guess it’s just better forever

It’s not really something we think about

And unless blizzard makes it insanely crazy with the reductions

I don’t think this will be an issue either

It’s basically just soft caps

It’ll feel basically the same to how at some point in expedient, you’ll want to ditch the haste gems/chants for a couple vers gems, and maybe a couple crit gems, and a masterful enchant

Or something like that

Idk

It’s one of those changes you read about and it scares you

A lot

[main warren]

That doesn't sound very good

[balmy condor]

But if you think about it for like 5 minutes

It’s not really that awful

[main warren]

And also the antithesis of what Ion has talked about wanting, but that shouldn't be a surprise at this point.

[balmy condor]

What did ion want

I thought he wanted importance of ilvl

[umbral rapids]

ur important

[low girder]

aww

[main warren]

Gearing to be simpler and require less outside simulation to figure out what's good

[balmy condor]

I mean

If all goes well

[willow rapids]

Less simming, but this probably leads to more sims and more gear in bags

[balmy condor]

He’s on the right track

It’s only the secondaries that’s are scaled

[low girder]

that idea was already dead with covenants and soulbinds

[balmy condor]

These aren’t hard caps

So in theory

We’re actually moving more towards main stat

Which means more towards ilvl

I agree there’s some outliers

And some specs will have breakpoints

[solar flicker]

we gonna be sim monkeys anyways

[balmy condor]

But this change in particular doesn’t actually make it more or less sim heavy imo

[shrewd night]

Imagine not being able to equip higher ilevel boots because they put you to shallowly into the next stat bracket.

[solar flicker]

doesnt change a thing

[balmy condor]

Imagine equipping boots and only getting 115 crit rather than your promised 118

Unplayable

[shrewd night]

#CritLivesMatter

[low girder]

prolonging the 34% crit meme

thanks blizzard

[balmy condor]

And to the “you’ll need to sim less” ion quote or whatever

[uncut schooner]

The man only wanted 34% crit

Ion: Get 20% more! >:)

[balmy condor]

He’s actually also doing that with covenants for a majority of the player base

You forget that if you’re in this discord, you’re already more min-max than a large portion of people