we just aren't there yet
#assassination
balmy condor
opaque tree
yeah I have 52 corruption but it seems to be fine atm
what do you mean we don't have the res? like... our resistance needs to be higher for it to be viable?
sterile skiff
balmy condor
also "viable"
is not the term
its viable, just not optimal
masterful is indeed trash
opaque tree
optimal, yes. My bad
okay, well I'll just keep my Honed Mind rank 3 then since it seems to provide some nice burst when procc'd on pull
opaque tree
that's not what Ravenholdt is saying though, and I have all Expedient minus 1 which is rank 3 honed mind
since we'll get the corruption resistance in a couple weeks
no point in changing right?
fallow otter
Which is too much corruption...
hidden bay
If u want to play under 60 corruption u play full expedient till res is that high that u can play 7exp and the honed mind
Otherwise stick to 7exp and 1 honed mind and risk suiciding 
Couple weeks is a long time
vital haven
ye it would put you at 72
which is not the end of the world
but the slow is killer
balmy condor
or you do the math differently
main warren
guide says 7r3, 1r2 and r3 hm
vital haven
ye i forgot my bad the guide says 1xr2
i mean at some point you'd replace the rank 2 anyways
but ye even the guide says to 
opaque tree
Alright, I guess I'll replace this rank 3 honed mind. I do have the echoes for it.
so then I'll have a total of 8 exps rank 3, I guess that seems to be what everyone is running
fallow otter
For reference im going to be using 9 exp3 until the switch to 7/1/1 because it's so close anyway its not worth fucking around
opaque tree
oh, I didn't even know it was that close
I mean I knew exps were best, hence the stacking
but I figured it was so much haste that the mastery proc was good at higher lvls
fallow otter
Exp is better than hm, it's just that we can't get 35 corruption worth of exp on one piece
main warren
fwiw, for me the sim favors HM over the extra exp but obviously at the expense of getting shwacked by a grand delusion
vast forum
that's the entire point
expedient is ALWAYS more dps/corruption BUT we can only get to 45 corruption with pure expedients once we cap cloak
brittle venture
hows assassin looking for m+ in SL?
balmy condor
its looking
strange python
Does sin feels like sin in legion?
sour elk
is 45% base haste enough to run the bleed build ?
grizzled jay
@balmy condor What's timing for CLF on n'zoth
balmy condor
grizzled jay
is it just hold for shattered ego then pop on cd
cause if i use on pull its not up for first shattered ego
arctic walrus
you use a tome and go back blood
shy dust
fallow otter
The war for damage in tiny windows against the other raiders makes blood a must imo
Vel nailed it
Using clf I felt like I was just holding it too long and felt shitty
desert orchid
what's better? 475 plumage or 465 spyglass?
fallow otter
It might be both for raid aswell depending on your gear
desert orchid
typically run with a 460 vita and one of those
balmy condor
that's probably the correct answer
balmy condor
that's what sims are for
desert orchid
at 55% base haste
desert orchid
figured up time on spyglass would be better than a on use 2 min
balmy condor
please just sim it
also if you're playing exsang
that's 100% not true
a large majority of our burst is every 2 min
desert orchid
not sure I trust that sim, I do a lot more damage than it shows as my numbers there
balmy condor
link the sim
doing more damage when you have good rng, sure
doing "a lot more damage"
very doubtful
unless you're simming weird
balmy condor
and you're saying you do more than that
desert orchid
and my single target dps on m+ is a HELL of a lot higher than that
balmy condor
well duh in m+
m+ fights aren't 5 minutes
they're like 1:30
unless its a high tyran obviously, then things get ridiculous
does this sound better to you
desert orchid
that's closer
balmy condor
yeah
if you're simming for a fight, make sure you change the length to approximate that fight
balmy condor
yeah 475 plumage pumps
desert orchid
wish we snapshotted like druids hehe
fallow otter
Take that back
balmy condor
we snapshot haste and subterfuge and exsang
and it fucking sucks
and nightstalker too
desert orchid
if you refresh during pandemic on druid you keep max dot, ours falls off does it not?
fallow otter
Next you'll be saying snd on ptr is awesome
low girder
Nightstalker vanish ruptures with agonizing poison, good times
balmy condor
if you refresh during pandemic you get a full dot
low girder
Jk it was shit
desert orchid
yes, but at your current stat weights
desert orchid
druid locks in the values from the start and doesn't resnapshot each time you refresh in pandemic
strange python
you can not extend the empowered bleeds by redotting in pandemic
if you mean that
it overwrites them
desert orchid
but ferals does, do they not?
low girder
No
strange python
idk
balmy condor
no
desert orchid
I could have sworn they do
balmy condor
I'm not entirely sure what's going on here
but snapshotting is janky and bad
feral has snapshots, as does sin
and they both fucking suck
strange python
i was wondering that recently actually.. if it extends the sabertooth(?)d err rupture of them when you err evis
desert orchid
druid keeps the higher damage value, not based on your current if you refresh during pandemic
why the pull and trinkets matter so much more to them
strange python
but that would mean they can keep that rolling the entire fight?
desert orchid
you f up and pull early on a feral their dps blows hehe
balmy condor
they have empowered bleeds
and they overwrite them
and they're still empowered?
that's not how any of this works
desert orchid
druids can, rogues overwrite
low girder
unless something happened between bfa and legion that's not how it works
because it sure as shit didn't work that way in legion
desert orchid
druids have always been that way
balmy condor
bruh
that's not how that works
if you cast an unempowered bleed on top of an empowered bleed
you get an unempowered bleed
idc what class you are
that's just game mechanics
you cast X while X is still active
the original X is removed
the new aura X is applied
fallow otter
Nah we don't
desert orchid
I think the ferocious bite refreshing doesn't resnapshot, that may be the key
maybe that's where my confusion was
strange python
dude you're 5/12 and give advice you never applied sorry if im questioning your rambling 
fallow otter
Guys do you use daggers and stuffs
balmy condor
this isn't advice haste
this is game mechanics
I also welcome you to correct me if I say something wrong
strange python
ferals always been special with snapshots
strange python
thats why im curious
desert orchid
check my other characters
fallow otter
The only thing whisp is wrong about is snd
desert orchid
I raided for my raid team as a dh b/c we needed the debuff
I was server first on alliance for nzoth
fallow otter
What was that in the world though
desert orchid
who knows, lower pop server and less people to pool from
fallow otter
My server has like 12 people
desert orchid
only reason I don't raid mythic
fallow otter
we got horde oceanic first, that was my goal
desert orchid
yea, low pop alliance. Try raiding that rofl
balmy condor
bleed snapshotting for feral exists with tiger's fury and bloodtalons
if you're under the effect, the full bleed is buffed
desert orchid
we got the rest of the team their aotc and they straight up ditched and left for the rest of the expansion
balmy condor
if you're not, the new bleed overwrites and updates dynamically
replace an aura, the new aura takes over
desert orchid
that's what I was saying, I didn't know if it applied to rake as well, but was pretty damn sure it worked for rip
their talent that refreshes on ferocious bite keeps the buffed dot on there
but being able to snapshot an empowered garrote and rupture with exsang up, and refreshing the buffed exsang'ed bleeds would be op as all get out heh
fallow otter
Time to bring it back to assa discussion boys
desert orchid
I said snapshotting in that extent would be nice
if refreshing during pandemic would refresh the buffed version
fallow otter
I disagree
balmy condor
yeah that's fine
desert orchid
yea, b/c it snapshotted at the start and refrshed the buffed version, didn't need to
balmy condor
I was thinking we were talking about overwriting the bleed
like casting another rip
balmy condor
^
low girder
because technically you're not recasting rip
cyan bone
Really basic and noob question which I should know, but just to confirm^^ Do dots snapshot at the haste stat where you apply them? or do they varry their damage if you get proccs while dot is active? it varries right?
balmy condor
exsang snapshots their haste when you hit the button
cyan bone
Okay
same with elaborate planning?
like do the dots do 10% more dmg if I do finisher right before pressinge exsang?
balmy condor
no, that updates dynamically
cyan bone
okay ty
random raft
Vexiona tips? I’m 468 running the double dose build and I feel like I’m not doing anything. Do I go echoing blades to help with adds? Or just dot up the ascendant and stay on vex?
Heroic if that matters, have not dipped into mythic.
balmy condor
adds should be dying fast enough
loud light
yeah question one is are you dying to adds or boss mechanics
because assassination's strongest role there is just straight boss damage
runic kiln
465 plumage outsimming 475 deadeye makes me sad
random raft
In transitions my dps just drops off the face of the earth
loud light
set details to damage taken by Vexiona 😉
random raft
Lol good call
honest skiff
I know this is vague, but how we looking for shadowlands as assassination. Been playing death knight but looking to come back to rogue in the expansion.
honest skiff
I do like it. Covenants seem like any clear cut winners? I like the idea of the necrolord one. Not sure how it plays though I don’t have beta.
elder crescent
The last dps report had us 3rd from the top from wowmeta, but with tuning still going on who knows
That's single target
honest skiff
Mind sharing where you see the dps reports. I’ve not been able to find anything like that.
elder crescent
I really think sub and outlaw will out do us in aoe unless conduits make a heavy change.
runic kiln
does it make sense that 465 plumage is outsimming 475 vita and deadeye?
balmy condor
ye
runic kiln
ugh but then i have to farm it
elder crescent
I'm not at home, search for shadowlands dps rankings and look at wowmeta, take it with a grain of salt, they're usually a lil bit off but it's a baseline for you.
I have a 460 plume, not worried about 10 ilvls
loud light
please don't share that stupid site, we were just making fun of it earlier in wow-general
it is completely divorced from reality
elder crescent
I did say take it with a grain of salt. Once the more credible sites start putting out closer figures is when I'd be putting stock.
runic kiln
i thought sub was looking better than sin in SL so far?
elder crescent
Dalaran did a first pass video, sub looks better, but in M+ keys this past week I haven't been impressed. Again we will have to wait for spec tuning to really get a feel.
runic kiln
fuck m+ i care about raid meters
fallow otter
I think if you are picking a class for anything other than gameplay enjoyment at this point you gotta be a bit crazy, way too early to know what is going to be the best dps etc
runic kiln
if i wanted to play diablo id play diablo
elder crescent
@fallow otter some people enjoy bringing the most effective tool they can so to be as sharp as possible for their group, I dont judge for that kind of play, it's how they enjoy the game.
balmy condor
well yeah
low girder
that'd be fine if we weren't 4 months out from release
elder crescent
I agree, but it's fun to keep up with how it progresses.
forest vigil
this wasnt about that at all
it was @ someone who wanted information Now about something that will have 4 months of potential (definite) changes
runic kiln
based on nothing but gut, sin should be worse at the very start of the expac with how many upkeep buffs itll have and how low haste will be
tropic ocean
😂
elder crescent
Best thing to do for them is either ignore or give them what's current instead of being condescending for looking for information, something humans tend to crave. It's true that everything is in the air till it's in Blizzard blue, though.
fleet whale
you know what i say
fuck the meta, and choose the class/spec that resonates most with you
and play it to the best of your ability
tropic ocean
how does suddenly such a discussion popped up
balmy condor
And that’s why I’m a sub main now
balmy condor
No
fleet whale
i haven't rerolled since december of 2007
balmy condor
Cause me a rogue one trick and I’m not even good at that
tropic ocean
not sure why to care so much about small differences
balmy condor
fleet whale
when i first made my rogue
balmy condor
Facts
fleet whale
even in Smash bros ultimate
a very good Little mac player
can beat a majority of players online
tropic ocean
you're beating npcs in wow
main warren
what if enjoying the game is playing what's best
fleet whale
if that's the way you enjoy the game
fleet whale
then by my guess
tropic ocean
but usually many fotm rerollers perform way worse
than on their class they played for ever
fallow otter
@elder crescent I want the best spec and to Min Max aswell but it's too early
fleet whale
it's not uncommon for people to chose new mains for each expansion though
but that's not really re rolling for fotm
tropic ocean
I just dont see the logic in worrying about very minor dps differences
fleet whale
people are meta slaves
tropic ocean
for people that are not even remotely close to playing their spec to max potential
would make more sense for me to play what I actually enjoy as this is a hobby/game
main warren
I mean, what is minor
fleet whale
well even now, there are assassination rogues who don't run the current "meta" of very high haste/Exsang
but they still perform very well
are they wrong?
tropic ocean
I mean when you log blue, do 15s, what will a change from sub to sin or vice versa do to you when you dont even play your current spec to its potential
absolutely nothing
for me the logic is just very flawed
main warren
because even a bad sub player can get more value being a bad sin player
balmy condor
This some meta moral conversation
tropic ocean
but is that the case?
main warren
Yes it is
tropic ocean
highly doubt
I see all the hunters/mage rerollers
performing worse on a way stronger class
whats the logic rerolling from something that u play for 2 years and still underperform to something completely new
fleet whale
moreover it's way to early to be on this sub hype train
tropic ocean
where you will underperform even more
main warren
see, I don't think anything is actually completely new
If you understand one thing, you can play almost anything else
tropic ocean
thats very far from reality
though
for 99% of the players
and the ones that can just pickup and multiclass anything they don't need others to tell them what spec to pick
because they know
the best class you can pick is the one you are most comfortable with
or spec
most rerolls I encountered this tier turned from
this
into
this
main warren
That has way more to do with the volume they're compared against than their actual skill
main warren
The easier it is to get purple sure, but pink and higher?
tropic ocean
not counting r1s
but 95-99 yeah
when 95-99 bracket is 5000 slots
compared to 500 slots
like bm hunter has 136000 parses
survival has 1132
which will you rather score top 1%
main warren
when you have more competition, it is harder to standout than vice versa
dark crag
The last place of the 99% is still 99%
Try to get 99% as sub when r2 is 92%
More logs = more bad ones = easier 99%
main warren
more logs means more good ones means harder 99
balmy condor
dark crag
The top players are the minority. When a spec is fotm everyone plays it. Will 99% at nzoth mythic be hard, yes, but the logs are also fewer
main warren
i guess what im trying to say is that just cuz someone is parsing well at something less meta, and then parses not as well in something meta isnt necessarily because they're just better at their other class
if that makes any sense
someone could be equally good at both, but parse better at the less meta thing because there's a smaller pool
urban gale
is there general wisdom on how to handle hivemind
balmy condor
Adds aren’t your problem, just hit em with CT
Holding vanish can be good for ravagers
If you hold on opener for like 10 seconds, you can vanish 3x garrote on both bosses and the ravager
Pretty good
urban gale
ah roger that
patent topaz
I just pop everything at the start and the boss is dead before 2nd set of cds
main warren
thats the life
balmy condor
Grizzled with the 700 iq
patent topaz
I am the holder of rank 69 on hivemind, which means I know best
balmy condor
Hemo got nothing on you tbh
oblique lark
a u sure?)
patent topaz
what do you think is harder, get a 1 or precisely 69
oblique lark
true)
balmy condor
oblique lark
haha
drifting cloud
oh its down to 70 now just hasnt updated yet, even worse
fallen marsh
We've just gotten started on carapace mythic, and our RL says all CD's must be used on gazes, but vendetta feels kinda wasted there to me, as it dies so fast. Every assas pov video ive seen, the rogues look like they are using vendetta on the openers. Any feedback is appreciated.
patent topaz
we have warlocks killing gazes in the back, I think they use cds but we dont use cds on melee gaze
fallen marsh
Thanks Grizzled
patent topaz
I wouldnt use debuff cds like vendettaa on it ever
fallow otter
That's actually the first time running blood though, coz clf usually
oblique lark
lower than hemo...
balmy condor
Curses dude, hemo strikes once again
balmy condor
Yeah but imagine the all star points
patent topaz
drest doesnt give all stars
balmy condor
thats the joke
patent topaz
only killed drest 4 times myself, its so shit
arctic walrus
@shy dust I see you up there 
balmy condor
All the big boys
balmy condor
Drest
balmy condor
Way ahead of you 
arctic walrus
Log check
patent topaz
yeah, I dont particularly care about logs
just kill the boss as smoothly as we can and dont play the game 
oblique lark
ye same 🙂
balmy condor
I wish he’d do me but he always just teases me 
shrewd night
Toxic type do what toxic type do. Would be weird if I was a fire koffing.
shrewd night
Oooooooof
arctic walrus
fallow otter
cause I always get assassinated somehow
@patent topaz I got a shaman that likes nuking me
placid dawn
with haste build on m+ do i spam CT on packs?
balmy condor
At 7+ targets
placid dawn
so, on less targets I let it bleed and pump envenom?
balmy condor
Yeah envenoms and ruptures on stuff that lives long enough
tropic ocean
@mighty elm r1 rogue of hearts ❤️
placid dawn
is vers build good for sin? want to see if I should buy crit stuff or vers
looking to get into 23s and so
balmy condor
It’s required to survive in like 27+
But if you’re not pushing that high, strikes are fine
If you really wanted to, you could replace 1-2 strikes with versatiles
tropic ocean
Vers not worth not even in 25s
Just play crit/crit dmg or raidbuild
This week raidbuild more valuable than crit build as well for sure
scarlet sequoia
elder crescent
It's a good question, the top us rogue on warcraft logs for assassination was running vers but I think she could afford it with her gear score.
vagrant kelp
The quest to get the kingslayers was really cool, just finished it.
cobalt pelican
very well could be indeedily.
patent topaz
what are you trying to achieve by copying someone who does entirely different content than you
elder crescent
Someone asked about versatility, I gave an example...
scarlet sequoia
only place you'd run versa is in high high m+
patent topaz
99.99% people asking about versa build dont need to play versa
elder crescent
Vers has been fun for world pvp, m+ and pvp content.
scarlet sequoia
i think you are severely confused bro
elder crescent
Ah, so you can dictate what others find fun. Got ya.
scarlet sequoia
yep i do
shrewd night
cobalt pelican
usually i'm pretty open to like people enjoying different things but like
vers has to be the
most static thing..
shrewd night
I mean, sometimes I find inting keys fun too.
real bay
dude with high vers you can do anything.. youre versatile
patent topaz
elusiveness, tb, mfd 🤔 must be world pvp build
shrewd night
Master poisoner 
patent topaz
is poison build the new meta?
shrewd night
Has to be if nibren uses it
patent topaz
when is versatile on the vendor??
sullen pagoda
cant wait for someone to use meme shit like that on some speed kill
and u have 2000 ppl coming here is that a new best thing???
patent topaz
you wont have any burst with that spec tho
shrewd night
- Its obviously not bad if they got an orange parse!
They killed the boss in 30 seconds wdym - ITS NOT BAD.
Im already having the convo in my head
sullen pagoda
i have dresta trinket kill on assa carapace cuz i missclicked my keybind for dresta
and equipped it
unlucky
shrewd night
forgot to change between trash and boss gear
patent topaz
guys do I run 3xEB for carapace prog? its aoe fight
shrewd night
🔪
indigo elk
EB on dem pimples
shrewd night
last phase with raid letting u pad
haha gl
Aint no chance people in my raid wont pad
sullen pagoda
now adds wont die
i got jebaited this week i was like damn i did nice dmg but then logs go up and just the usual and my CT did likealmost top dmg cuz adds were up forever
shrewd night
Im just using them for instant 6cp, but they die in like.. Idk 6 gcds.
upbeat tinsel
scummed with aoe gear when it counted and now scum with a fully ST build that messes up phase 1 transition timings
feels good
upbeat tinsel
accurate
shrewd night
Boss is pushed before hemos are dead in p1 anyways
sullen pagoda
o ye we had 0 fire mages @shrewd night the mage that was in refused to play fire
patent topaz
"nah bro, I dont feel like playing the most op spec in the game today"
sullen pagoda
idk hes special
shrewd night
...wait, he actually played arcane?
shrewd night
sullen pagoda
he did try forcing arcane on EP farm
it was so horrible both of the mages were banned from it
tropic ocean
@sullen pagoda to log on drest
bike and drest trinket could actually be giga brain
pump as much as u can in debuffed tent
smort
sullen pagoda
worldvein 
oblique lark
with 0 allies 🙂
sullen pagoda
have u simmed it on ss build also or is it only good on that one
sullen pagoda
ye unlucky
dense delta
What new tricks will Blizzard have for m+ making shroud not that mandatory. This season they did a pretty good job. 😫
light jacinth
oblique lark
it doesn't exist, because my SSD broke down and I have no desire to do it again 😦
oblique lark
I checked everything I was interested in long ago 🙂
vast forum
wtf is that gif @light jacinth
hasty zodiac
i aint brah posting in assass
north pond
almost to 100k boys
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nKsyfNQYd5XaRhU5YV1mte ok i didnt realize it was 5 minute sim
crimson palm
Big
swift timber
should probably not run formless minor if you're pugging
you have between 1 and 9% uptime on it in your logs
vast forum
no way
shut garnet
@crimson palm do u just go insane once on nzoth
or once on harvester spawn before secret, res’d then once in burn?
crimson palm
Never
swift timber
oh wait he's not playing formless minor that's why it has like 2% uptime 
shut garnet
well im assuming ur r1s on nzoth arent with buyers right?
crimson palm
They are
shut garnet
christ
crimson palm
At least the latest one
swift timber
1 buyer in the 100
vast forum
n'zoth is better with buyers than without
without buyers you have to stop dps to not make him immune, and all the bashers/corruptors die instantly
shut garnet
i can believe that tbf
vast forum
nothing to believe, it's facts
the only way to parse better without buyers is to not even go into secret phase
patent topaz
I mean a lot of it is pad on thots
vast forum
well
crimson palm
It's all about the thots
vast forum
thot harvesters live longer with 3 dead buyers 
patent topaz
its still good boss damage
shut garnet
well im sure it’d be decent for parsing to a) not have a nutty firemage in and b) go full insane on lust
only a handful of guilds are skipping secret still right?
swift timber
could've gotten help real quicker by just asking the question
thin gate
this cast
in wiki it says 3 different casts or spells
on german world of warcraft cleint
client*
it says just 3 different spells
now whats right actually
since i dont have gorak tuls mantle or ilgynoth shoulders, this is the best 480 i have for shoulder slot on 9x expedient
shrewd night
How did you get that from quote "after you cast three different spells"
thin gate
thats what it says in german client
im playing on german client
now i want to know is it 3 casts spells interactions
what exactly procs it
thin gate
spells and abilities sorry
dark crag
3 different what ever your class uses
thin gate
ok ty guys @luhmi
bcs in german client it says 3 "SPELLS"
the only thing considered as spell is vendetta or not
thin gate
Zauber means cast in German, thats what i meant
your spells and abilities have a chance to give u for 8 secs the buff and if u do 3 "Spells" u gain 1k haste
but if u say its 3 abilities
ill trust u
thin cargo
Just let it end
sullen pagoda
@thin gate anything u use counts, when i used it on arms warrior i was pummeling when it procs
tropic ocean
gz
steel ridge
Just in time for prepatch!
idle pagoda
anybody got some WA's for tracking empowered bleeds?
shrewd night
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
devout fiber
When are u suppose to move from TB to Exsang again?
devout fiber
For exsang you still go 2,2,1,2,1,3,1?
strange python
u can sim it 🙂
balmy condor
Deeper Stratagem with exsang
devout fiber
ty
vital haven
@balmy condor that drest log was 100% worth
even though i got called out by my gm for literally padding my ass of
100% wurth
vast forum
definitely destro lock staying 30% above every1 else
imagine making a dps tier list with specs still missing talents and every1 testing without legendaries/conduits/soulbinds
how dumb do you have to be
steel ridge
clicks my dude
regal silo
its all about the clicks
fleet whale
nah man, a website called "wowmeta.com" definitely isn't clickbait
crimson palm
Source: 30s wipes on beta bosses
balmy condor
spark sky
That's a bit much. Some of the wipes were over a minute
fleet whale
i mean look at there tier rankings for NYA for live
it's still a joke
basically over half the specs in the game are low tier according to it
little root
i chuckled
cobalt pelican
people still circulate those sites for some reason
it's how noxxic still makes bucks somehow
balmy condor
I love how they say that the specs are ranked for their overall in m+ and raid
fleet whale
sadly some players are gonna take that site as gospel though
little root
Just read the logs 
vast forum
let's see how long until someone comes here saying they saw assa was gonna be #3 dps in shadowlands
vast forum
ttk HUGE
balmy condor
little root
LOL
balmy condor
WELL THEN IF YOU SAY
fleet whale
ttk is only there because some higher ilvl azerite pieces have it
for the rogues who still run tb
swift timber
wits is the real bis tho
vast forum
ttk still loses to NP/hod/DD in poison build
fleet whale
it does, but i think in the highest azerite pieces
vast forum
the only reason for it to be there is because in poison build, you have it on 490 piece competing against ss
fleet whale
TTK is like the only option or something, idk
balmy condor
lmao
vast forum
best in slot realm
swift timber
vast forum
if you play on this realm you do more dps
balmy condor
farm the clicks
fleet whale
that website has to be a troll
timid coral
people saying its a troll just don't understand sophisticated statistical methods
balmy condor
true
this website is so big brain
we can't even handle the data scrubbing from WCL
fleet whale
problem is like i said people are going to take it seriously
timid coral
you have to have a very high IQ to understand this tier list
swift timber
haste is a good stat so obviously brigands blitz is our 3rd best trait (after ttk of course) https://i.imgur.com/rb3snaV.png
fleet whale
and some person who is forming a pug for their M+ 10 key
is going to base their group around that site
little root
holy shit thats a navi opener if ive ever seen one
spark sky
Can that statistically reliable opener be a part of the guides now
fleet whale
just make a macro for it
urban gale
Is it saner to sim 3 min
lone junco
true chad rogues hold blade flurry until after the 3 garrotes.
lol at the F tier list.
its a neat concept of data driven rankings that update over time. but WCL does that already.
lone junco
lol at shadow priest. gonna jump from F to S the day raids open.
vestal wren
warcraftlogs has better statistics
and the concept is massively flawed.
aid testing logs are totally random and would need a lot of post processing to get relevant data out
lone junco
EB is bad. got it.
main blaze
The Tier ranking so hilarious
merry perch
What % haste does the exsanguinate build really start to shine?
fleet anchor
That website hurts my soul
solar latch
i think when you get 50% haste
vital haven
d tier 
fleet anchor
I've used advanced statistical methods to measure the rate at which my soul is hurting. And it's a very big number. BiS probably.
harsh anchor
fleet anchor
Wowmeta site honestly just seems like website with the sole purpose to justify a page to put a bunch of Manscaped ads on.
main blaze
lol yeah
fleet anchor
Can easily just go to WCL to see anything actually relevant
fleet whale
there rankings for the current raid
is pretty much just copy and paste from WCL statistics
with the bizarre tier ranking
vestal wren
"diffrent but the same"
fleet whale
imagine if it existed during HFC
Arcane would be s tier, sub mid tier
every other spec, bottom tier lol
fleet anchor
Like why the hell does this even exist...
BiS Hands is "whichever one I put my Corruption and a Socket on"
vestal wren
SL is the perfect opotunity to bring back bis lists
fleet whale
the DH discord doesn't appear to be as amused as we are with this site 😦
fleet anchor
This site must definitely be supplementing the WCL stuff with Armory scraping to get so confused about gear and Azerite and stuff
fleet whale
they have no sense of humor
loud light
well you see, they've sacrificed everything
vital haven
sin only for raid outlaw for everything else
fleet whale
outlaw apparently is bad in torghast
quartz creek
does exsanguinate cause more garrote ticks? trying to figure out how another rogue has 98 ticks of garrote on boss while i have 60
vital haven
doesnt cause more garrote ticks it just makes them tick faster
loud light
haste in general gives you more ticks
fleet anchor
Since it compresses the DoT and lets you refresh it sooner
vital haven
ye it basically allows to use another garrote faster
plain thistle
probably haste right? if he has more haste than you he will have more ticks
he asked about exsanguinate, but the answer is haste
quartz creek
thanks
lethal pilot
worth swapping out r3 IS for 3 x r3 expedients?
twilit latch
Random question...I know its not really a 'dps' issue...but are there any professions that y'all have found are just "better" on a rogue...or more convenient or whatever?
I ask, cause im just trying to really work on my assasin build and getting the right potions/flasks...and part of me wants to redo my professions to make that easier to obtain
balmy condor
professions matter little
engineering is keys is nice for the brez
alchemy gives double duration flasks
you can craft some pretty solid legs through leatherworking
but its all big whatever
twilit latch
yeah thats kinda what i figured. I've been JC/Mine since BC...but i wasnt sure if there was a benefit to going something else. Thanks!
idle ember
also love engineering for the wormhole generator knocking out dailies
mystic osprey
Should I swap out some of my bleed raid build haste pieces for some of my outlaw crit/vers pieces if I want to run sin on M+ tyrannical weeks?
mystic osprey
💋
uncut schooner
garrote rupture rupture poisoned knife?
@balmy condor
wait no
garrote rupture rupture garrote poisoned knife
uncut schooner
sounds scuffed
you didnt use sprint
you need to use sprint so you can kick faster
its a dps gain
untold current
balmy condor
100% depends on how fast your guild kills things
lone junco
oof. such a weird fight.
scarlet sequoia
drifting cloud
hi raz link sim
arctic walrus
hi sim link raz
balmy condor
hi vel link cat
shut garnet
balmy condor
steel ridge
uncut schooner
kind walrus
When you have full expidient 3 and full socket are you supposed to go full haste, i sim higher with a mix of mast/crit/haste gems and enchants. should i just follow my sims or just go full haste
shut garnet
could you link a top gear sim?
it's not unusual to sim higher with other gems than haste though, it's all gear dependant
kind walrus
@shut garnet https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6DmrVxy2YoCzJqi7hbk2bK that is my best sim so far
kind walrus
yes ofc i'm aware of that but i'm to lazy this far in the expansion to go farm them but ofc they are a big uppgrade
shut garnet
well, so long as those gem replacements are a big enough dps upgrade, i guess there's no reason to not follow sim really
and by big enough i guess if it's above the dps variance limiter that raidbots has, its like +-150 i think?
scarlet sequoia
what woul du guys asy is the necisay amun of hast for xasng buld?
main warren
~60
fleet anchor
What life would look like without autocorrect 😄
balmy condor
He’s got the French keyboard on
fleet anchor
But yeah probably somewhere around the 50-60 range. Hard to say exactly without simming though. Depends on Vita/GCB/etc.
😄
fleet whale
i know no one really is going to care cause it's pre-patch
but heart of darkness flat out does nothing on the ptr lol
fleet anchor
Oh?
fleet anchor
Didn't notice that
balmy condor
Good intel
main warren
like nothing at all as in not working
crimson palm
Corr removed, no 25
main warren
oh right
balmy condor
Lamp
fleet anchor
Yeah I figured they would just make it passive
balmy condor
Lmao
fleet whale
well the thing is
crimson palm
I reported it already
vital haven
Hmmm
fleet anchor
But Azerite in general is messed up
balmy condor
Some big fucking pepega
flint pier
guys i sim 90k with 22% crit, 74% haste, 48% mastery, 1% versitility
fleet whale
you still see the corruption effects on your gear,
flint pier
what do i nmeed to do
fleet whale
but it's all greyed out
flint pier
to improve
balmy condor
Link sim
main warren
post sim
fleet anchor
I mean the Crit you get from Gorak Tul's is like yuuuuge
fleet whale
get your crit to 34%
vital haven
Back to double dose np toxic blade build bois
fleet whale
toxic blade isn't even in pre-patch lol
fleet anchor
Gorak Tul proc giving like 30% Crit or something 🤣
vital haven
Shiv
main warren
tb is shiv no?
fleet whale
the shiv effect isn't in till like level 56
crimson palm
Shiv is 56
vital haven
Well fuck
vital haven
Lets go
fleet whale
34%
vital haven
Dude sub pumps in the beta
fleet whale
it also pumped in early bfa....
vital haven
Pepehands
fleet whale
but yeah, sub looks promising
main warren
shoot for 60 @scarlet sequoia
balmy condor
Not sure if you actually don’t know who raz is
Or you’re just trolling
Either way great meme lmao
main warren
no i know i just cant tell if hes really drunk
scarlet sequoia
main warren
so im feeding
hidden bay
Who’s raz?
balmy condor
Same
vital haven
Some guy
balmy condor
I heard he has sims
hidden bay
Bacardi raz?
vital haven
Who rages when his healers run a certain essence in 2s
vital haven
So ive heard
scarlet sequoia
balmy condor
No mecha rings
main warren
azerite could be better
scarlet sequoia
looks to me lik eeverytihng could be better
fleet whale
dragonscale is meh
balmy condor
Corruptions pretty janky
balmy condor
Raz sims higher than fire mages 
balmy condor
Strife over iris probably not the play either
fleet whale
it's NP
still for ST, better than EB but should just get a better helm
and yeah for the shoulders, his other option is EB instead of scheming
helm and shoulders are holding you back the most
low girder
74% haste should drop the lucid
fleet anchor
Raz used to be top ranked, then he dropped to 32% crit and now he can't parse anymore
main warren
i just regurgitate what people smarter than me say
balmy condor
and sometimes, that’s what people need man
fleet anchor
But yeah, more seriously it's very very hard to tell how Assassination will be in the prepatch
I'm not super optimistic honestly
fleet whale
without meming though you might benefit for some more crit? 22% seems quite low
fleet anchor
Losing so much Haste and losing access to TB is pretty bad, Alacrity will help a bit but it's still not fantastic
fleet anchor
Yeah it's whatever I guess
fleet whale
and i think our haste will still be high enough to run exsang
unless if alacrity is just too good
scarlet sequoia
if u havent been nr1 all star rogue multiple tiers multiple times then why even talk
balmy condor
True
main warren
what about r0
