got the edit?
#assassination
fallow otter
oblique lark
precombat 18 sec + gcb + non vendetta condition font etc
fallow otter
o full mage style
oblique lark
I had a APL for that, but unfortunately my SSD broke down a couple of days ago
ye like fmage
fallow otter
i didnt put much effort in tbh but i didnt see one in google
oblique lark
u can check my wrath/maut/shad for example https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/30911737
not perfect, but you can see the font isn't bad
fallow otter
but with friends its vnice
in sim at least
for dog
hmmm where did u find the apl
i wanna sim it
oblique lark
I just did it)
fallow otter
probs just try it anyway but still interested
fallow otter
its real close with 18 prefont
unreal imp
Will probably get Rival Warlord's Trophy after reset which will let me upgrade a PvP azerite to 475(480). Though I might use it on something else (maybe a crit/vers ring for outlaw to 465+), does anyone know which pieces are theoretically best as alternate gearing options?
Right now I have a choice for shoulders and Spaulders looks like it might be it with Shrouded Suffocation/Double Dose/Overwhelming Power. At least for Exanguinate build which I should be able to switch to this week due to expedient 3 being up.
Though if no one knows off hand I can sim, but it'd probably take a bit with only the free raidbots tier.
fallow otter
for raid?
unreal imp
yeah for raid PvE
Though I could also maybe upgrade a chest I had before for Outlaw too if that ends up making sense. Probably can't gamble any new azerite until a week from today, though I think it was leaning towards only buying specific pieces being worth it at this point.
for Sin or Outlaw
cunning swift
Does someone have a wa for the shroud countdown in party by any chance? :D
fallow otter
there are heaps
need to take your pick in regards to what you want
disable for raid also, coz most display when other rogues do it
unreal imp
Something I have does the shroud countdown in /say. Not sure if it's a WA or ERT or something though
cunning swift
Yea I checked that already but I just seem to not be able to find one that shows the cd in party chat instead of just like a personal bar thingy and I have no idea how to correct outdated ones...
quasi ledge
cunning swift
Awesome thanks :D
fallow otter
@oblique lark in that log you WV after exsang
you use wv like blood i thought use like clf
unreal imp
Expedient Day, this is not a drill! (I'm gonna need to grind about 15k+ echoes beyond what I'll have after opening chests today...)
tropic ocean
Noice
fallow otter
time to get busy
next solar
perfectly time 45k echoes for today 🙂 we gucci bois
loud silo
rip assasination
silent crescent
?
loud silo
crimson tempest damage nerfed by 10%
garrote outta stealth is 80% increase dmg (was 100)
silent crescent
Bruh why
strange python
no way they nerfed it now?
strange python
i cant find it
silent crescent
And when was garrote even 100?
safe nacelle
Not like this...
spice spire
loud silo
so sin is untouched yes?
silent crescent
Unless you see any changes for 2020
eager ibex
If you stack haste do you try for 100% uptime on crimson tempest, and never Exsang it?
eager ibex
Ok thx
silent crescent
Exsang on it is objectively good, but hurting your other bleeds or delaying exsang to do it is bad
eager ibex
Yeah makes sense, thanks! Last question I only have 2 DD, 2 Nothing personal, since they are 480 pieces they're simming better for ST, is stacking haste still a good idea? Or should I aim for other corruptions
tropic ocean
haste> all
silent crescent
Yeah just go haste and grab better traits when you can
eager ibex
Cheers
ebon walrus
hey lloking for some tips for my rogue
strange python
Neat I'll hit 70% haste this week
cyan bone
Nice, gz
silent crescent
@ebon walrus read the pinned guides
upbeat latch
is the essence combination BOTE-lucid dreams-conflict and strife-breath of the dying the best combo for 10-20 keys or is this combination only good for high keys? ^^
silent crescent
I dont think people change essences for the higher keys, mainly just stacking vers or not
upbeat latch
so its the go to combination ?
ebon walrus
where should I look to find best corruptions?
silent crescent
The pinned guides
bronze dagger
Would it be totally stupid to run an avoidance corruption with the haste build? Especially on fights like M N'Zoth? Should be able to get a fair amount
little root
just stack IT for feint cdr
bronze dagger
Aight that's a no, thanks guys haha
steep obsidian
there isnt anything that will kill you outright in mythic unless you screw up or your healers screw up
and most of that an avoidant prolly wouldnt save ya anyway 😛
finite moss
what can i really improve here
i heard the highest sims are ~125k, but believe that is with CLF
strange python
I'd say you could also start dropping your sim length
Basically why sim for 5 minutes when most fights last 3~
strange python
Well
That is awkward
arctic walrus
455 ring, not using right food/pot, 2nd dagger, level up your neck
indigo mulch
Isent loaded dice better than the PvP trinket?
next solar
well this is spoopy, still need cara chest and non 455 ring, but this sim has dice over vita
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9QCC3sHNw1mrt8A6CQxdLr
balmy condor
That happens
next solar
build feels so good though
arctic walrus
that's crazy you can feel the difference between stat proc trinkets
next solar
yeah lol i think i got up to around 13k haste with vita + hero + gale callers
uncut schooner
@balmy condor Go to bed.
balmy condor
It’s 10:30 in the morning Wdym go to bed
arctic walrus
@balmy condor spit out a better number I haven't bothered looking at my gear in a while
balmy condor
124,492
runic kiln
my sim keeps waffling between gorak's for blightborne and extravagant for clockwork - any thoughts on which i should go?
runic kiln
yeah ive tried that, still waffles between em
balmy condor
Clock is consistent if you like that
runic kiln
if its preference i want tul so i can put EB back on extrav
balmy condor
That’s fine too
runic kiln
also telling me to drop SS for Heart on chest (havent gotten cara luck yet) which i found odd
balmy condor
DD/SS chest yeah?
runic kiln
yeah
arctic walrus
you running clf
runic kiln
no
balmy condor
You running CLF @arctic walrus
arctic walrus
you running @balmy condor
balmy condor
No me fat
young pebble
Should I be using Worldvein over Blood of the Enemy generally, or vice versa, or does it depend?
vital haven
NO WORLDVEIN
frosty obsidian
what are the best vendetta timings for nzoth?
grizzled jay
first basher
each shattered ego
talk with your RL if you want CDs for mythic phase
frosty obsidian
which soak to immune to line up best with evoke anguish timing and vendetta?
first time playing sn tn on that fight usually play outlaw :X
grizzled jay
because your RL will assign you the immune
so try to find a POV that uses the same timings
steep obsidian
@frosty obsidian I do the 2nd thought harvester its nice because you can immune the anguish after thats and keep tunneling at about 7:40 into the fight or so
but what tnb said
frosty obsidian
2nd thought harvest is anguish 4 right?
robust lake
I see a lot of people using formless void minor, is there some break point that it sims higher? As it always spits out CFL major - BoD/Iris/BotE
balmy condor
formless is used with bote major
worldly condor
IS logic loop division or recursion better for sin? or does it not matter
fresh heron
Advice: What is the results of dropping my crit this low. (27%) and front loading haste (74%)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qUBp2i1J6XWSWDmV4uXC94
I'm doing mainly dungeons right now.
Think I'll be alright?
worldly condor
IS logic loop division or recursion better for sin? or does it not matter
worldly condor
okay got it, i got a 475 recursion in my cache today. but im still rocking the division
robust lake
Hmm, dunno how much haste i need then, as I was simming BoTE - BoD/Iris/Formless and its like 1-2% lower. And thats with 67% haste?
worldly condor
I figured, I still need to farm a socket for it to make it worth it
balmy condor
@fresh heron the result if you have a bunch of EB and no crit, so the EB isn't doing you much
usually when people run haste in dungeons, you see HoD/gorak, like a usual raid build
the EB stuff needs crit to be viable
fresh heron
@balmy condor I can swap to those I have also
robust lake
unsure. I guess I can look through logs, but we have been doing prog on nzoth/carapace this past month. So no real good logs to look at
balmy condor
usually if tanks are running crucible, its safe to assume ~90%
so I would check your sim settings for that
not sure what you're simming in terms of uptime
robust lake
91% uptime in the sime
fresh heron
sim says to run Formless for dungeon, over lucid. Thought that wasnt the move?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2GtgHMQNLUnkMxsTAsCGqh
(changed my azerite pieces btw)
balmy condor
you're simming 90% uptime sam
doubtful that you'll get that high realisitically
should probably run strife over lucid though
balmy condor
because you need other people casting essences
and with 4 other people vs 16 other people
kinda hmmmm
fresh heron
I was talkin the strife over lucid.
balmy condor
oh
fresh heron
The void one makes sense.
balmy condor
cause you have a ton of haste and lucid is probably worse single target
but in dungeons you have even less reason to get energy back
balmy condor
because you're cleaving bleeds
fresh heron
Ah shit, alright cool. Thanks.
robust lake
Just keeps telling me to take off BoTE and formless. So no idea.
And cant make up its mind whether I should be all mastery gems or haste. It changes every sim ><
balmy condor
yeah, that's cause CLF is better
usually sims higher unless you do some fancy shit with limiting fight lengths
and bote minor > formless minor
so you see CLF major, and bote minor
instead of bote major formless minor
robust lake
yeah. Its what ive been running, but then I see everyone elses sims..and im like, what am I missing
balmy condor
like what are you missing in general?
robust lake
no, like why do their sims say use formless bote and give a higher result
shy axle
is there a big uptime difference betwen 3 abilities ring and the behind ring ?
robust lake
Ah, so that sim above by Vaellana would be higher than 124k using CFL?
lol, that answered that
robust lake
yeah, and as you get more geared, you get less uses
balmy condor
but it sims higher so
arctic walrus
is that apart of your collection now
fresh heron
balmy condor
for raids you either blind it if you're quick enough
or you cloak it if you don't need it for mechanics
or you use your active
or you take it straight to the dome
its not that bad
healer mechanic 
steep obsidian
the snare is waht annoys me more at 58 corruption then the thing from beyond
screw that shit as sin
fresh heron
I could do it, just full 9, haste amp.
balmy condor
that's the dream
fresh heron
57 corruption.
last ingot
have u read about the conduit put in for rogues so far in shadowlands beta?
royal lantern
the poison apply dmg one seems strong?
deepens how strong poison dmg will be on live
but 100%more should be good, ngl
balmy condor
60% mut damage
maybe pair that with the bleed on mut lego? does that scale based on mut damage
vestal wren
so, whats your favourite of the added contuits?
silent crescent
Dodge conduit with no icd: afk in BGs
vestal wren
Fan of Knives damage increased by 8%, and has a 8% increased poison application chance.
does sound quite nice
balmy condor
the shiv one at least extends envenom by 3 seconds
that sounds interesting
might have some curious interactions
last ingot
yeah i think conduits for outlaw sounds better for me at least
silent crescent
Also dodge conduit would make us gods for dungeon solos if you avoid mage packs
vestal wren
they also fixed shiv it does now 20% ap damage
balmy condor
the fan one idk
its like poison knives, but worse, eb but without the big meaty crits
its just "here's that fan buff you wanted"
silent crescent
@balmy condor fan application chance with the energy from poison crit leggo?
silent crescent
idk
balmy condor
cause if the meta is to garrote rupture multidot everything
then that seems like big stupid
last ingot
we should have something for dungeons I mean, i dont know if this much AOE will be enough
silent crescent
Garrote buffed mutilates with mutilate bleed leggo maybe good?
silent crescent
Also the bonis dmg for poison application + fok application chance could be nice
With MP or something
balmy condor
MP meta 
silent crescent
Just big poison effect stack
balmy condor
yeah I mean I can get behind poison build
legion poison stackin
give me agonizing poison back blizz
great design
silent crescent
Pog openers with 0 AP applications
balmy condor
just ramp harder
silent crescent
Cant ramp no energy already gkicked
silent crescent
Damn my cloak cd still gonna be 2 min i guess
balmy condor
the energy cost reduction on kidney/cheap shot/sap/distract
its really ??? to me
like why
steep obsidian
recuperate is back
rustic gate
recuperate?
steep obsidian
slice n dice passive healing
balmy condor
steep obsidian
kind of memeing
rustic gate
oh damn
steel ridge
thats the only endurance conduit tho xD
balmy condor
yeah but you probably won't be taking endurance conduits anyway
steel ridge
dont you have to?
last ingot
u have to
balmy condor
every soulbind has routes for 3 potency I thought
steel ridge
thats what i thought, that you have fixed slots to force endurance and finesse
crimson palm
pushed 107k on nzoth
balmy condor
they changed it for 3 potency, but still maintained those other ones
well
I'm sure they'll add more
might have to wait till it goes live though at this pace
steep obsidian
recuperate was self you kept up in cataclysm sub because it gave you energy so snd heal remind me of that
vestal wren
@faint harness i agree the conduits seem rather dissapointing for sin
faint harness
the mutilate one has to change surely
steep obsidian
i dont like the sin coveneants that much
faint harness
why would you garrote on cd
balmy condor
you don't garrote on CD
its reads like if garrote is on the target, you mut damage is increased
silent crescent
Ye
faint harness
ye i misread it
its actually just a flat dmg increase to mutilate
is it a reversed double dose perhaps
not that bad then
silent crescent
I think this makes the mut bleed leggo actually sick
silent crescent
Bc it was so boring before
strange python
and we get flat mut dmg
silent crescent
Now we get giga muts
faint harness
i mean isnt it just double dose?
balmy condor
where's the suggestion box to turn 
into :mut:
silent crescent
We got aoe options too lol
steep obsidian
yeh
mellow pier
silent crescent
Fan of muts
steep obsidian
i konw
faint harness
there is a fok conduit
loud brook
trying outcrimson tempest, at how mant targets is it better to crimson tempest rather than putting up a rupture
grizzled jay
the shadow damage for sub is kinda nuts
faint harness
the deadly poison buff with the fok conduit will slam in m+
grizzled jay
since Evis's shadow proc can crit
and is also a flat damage scaling effect and not dependent on your CD usage
steep obsidian
if sin is gonna be single target niche it should actaully be the best single target spec then lol
grizzled jay
so if you use Finality, you'll rotate 1cp into 5cp and the 1cp will still trigger a big 2nd shadow hit
balmy condor
@loud brook depends on build, but you can replace CT as your main finisher at 7
grizzled jay
it's a nice combo
loud brook
I see
balmy condor
replacing rupture is a little bit confusing
since rupture is your energy
so if you need the energy, you need the energy
and you should be maintaining that anyway
loud brook
im running triple ss with BI and my sims are telling me to go ct for st, so trying to figure out how to juggle the priorities
loud brook
i see, with my build would i ever use fan of knives?
balmy condor
in m+ on 3
in m+ you would also just want to maintain CT on 3+
idk what situation we're in
loud brook
no problem, thanks for the general information. im usually clueless when switching around builds and sticking to them for the first few days
the aoe question would be in m+ packs like the first three that tanks pull all together
balmy condor
aoe opener, then CT at 7+
loud brook
gotcha
forgot to say freehold
stupid vision run distracted me
am big dum
but yeah thanks whispyr ❤️
grizzled jay
Sub has the interesting ones
just as Blizzard intends. the boring spec gets boring conduits
the fun spec gets fun conduits
the rng spec gets rng conduits
lethal coral
is it possible to roll on the Type II Bomber Jacket? or is it just flat out best to wait a few weeks to buy
hidden bay
if u cant clear mythic, sim heroic carapace against bomber jacket 
otherwise u roll with mythic carapace
in terms of raid 
balmy condor
bomber jacket is better than heroic cara most of the time
if you specifically want bomber, you should buy it
but you're also running out of time
we can't make that decision for you :)
lethal coral
im not asking whats better, lol. but ty. im asking if its better to gamble vs buy, im guessing buy tho by the answers
balmy condor
well it is possible to gamble it
spice spire
If you specifically need a piece, buying is better. If you’re looking for a random upgrade gamble
lethal coral
yeah i get that, raidbots says its better to buy, then gamble, idk why tf raidbots would tell me that for that specific chest piece, lol
like, is my chances lower
hmm
wary kelp
as someone thats gambled and missed on the 3 viable shoulders for the past 9 rolls
buying is better if ur unlucky
lethal coral
^ fr haha ya
red plaza
can't wait for no more RNG chests/azerite in SL
lethal coral
ive baught everypiece ive needed this entire expansion, never thought of gambling
its told me to gamble pieces before even tho i have 1/9 chances. but then for this specific piece it says buy over gamble
so im not sure if its excluded from the gamble
balmy condor
yeah idk how raidbots does it tbh
I just always do the math myself cause its super easy
red plaza
well if more pieces are an upgrade like 3 or 4 out of 9 then yeah itll tell you to gamble
balmy condor
it tells me what the upgrades are
red plaza
but if only 1 piece is an upgrade, 1/9
red plaza
^^
royal lantern
wait
just thought about it
@balmy condor garrote increases mut dmg+higher dmg on poison apply procs
WotlK mut rogue comeback 
?
grizzled jay
i kinda like the mut bleed leggo
with bloodfang if it works
and bone spike
big enven dam
strange python
how will asssassi rogue be in SL?
sterile valve
Sins get ambush now?
balmy condor
we all get ambush :D
grizzled jay
"we" 🤔
sterile valve
Damn slice and dice,shiv, ambush, slaughter
sterile valve
Any notes for rogue changes?
balmy condor
!sl
prisma monolithBOT
Mystlers Shadowlands Notes: http://tiny.cc/p8ljsz
balmy condor
there's some general ones
the more specific ones for conduits and stuff are
- Legion legendaries are back, probably some interaction with conduits that is good, but all pretty boring stuff we've seen before
- Outlaw bandit guile is now combat rogue pog we're going back
- sub is fun, gets fun conduits, big burst, but its sub
nothing really interesting tbh
sterile valve
Might be time to switch from sin to outlaw then?
sterile valve
what about PVP
balmy condor
who knows man
sin rot is pretty good but sub stun chain is also good
and no one knows until it actually happens
sterile valve
Toxic blade gone rip
balmy condor
winged basin
havent stepped foot into EP in so long.. been dreading it 😐
unkempt marsh
@winged basin do you use CLF with exp build?
balmy condor
because CLF better damage depending on fight length
winged basin
I use BoTe on most of my bosses in prog, just some clf way outpreforms
honestly just base my essences on what people run on warcraft logs
balmy condor
I mean you do though
winged basin
I see most of the parses on maut clf?
balmy condor
people prefer bote a lot of the time
crimson palm
have u checked the kill times on those that run clf on maut
grizzled jay
@balmy condor Should I use BotD on N'Zoth prog 
wondering if it'll help get through psychus 1
vital haven
35% of the top 100 logs use clf
balmy condor
^
vital haven
some are starting to uuse void major and just a clf
balmy condor
its kill time dependant
vital haven
copy a clf
grizzled jay
im using WV rn
balmy condor
but it sims higher
grizzled jay
it sims higher
winged basin
oh true ig, idk, im not gonna pretend I know what I am talking about, cause I dont, I just follow what Whispyr and warcraftlogs tells me
balmy condor
stronger single taget
grizzled jay
but also im crit/tendies
balmy condor
don't follow what I say
vital haven
its not really time dependant for ST
minor thicket
Hey guys how long once PTR is Announced before 9.0 happens usually
crimson palm
<2 mins when the single vendetta matters clf's gonna outpeform
vital haven
like clf sims higher even on shorter fights
grizzled jay
1-1.5 months
vital haven
at least for me it does
unkempt marsh
the only fight i see clf outperforming bote is maut
crimson palm
and fv major is better because of the minor
since you get to run bote minor instead of the clf one
assuming single clf cast
vital haven
hemo sucks
arctic walrus
vital haven
everyone sucks
arctic walrus
yeah you can't even kill nzoth 
vital haven
i suck, hemo, whispyr, vel, that opener guy 
balmy condor
vel can't even optimize his rogue himself
arctic walrus
imagine not using your resources
where would america be without exploiting the working class
crimson palm
capitalist pigs
arctic walrus
alright how many fall guy wins
balmy condor
baka
vital haven
yo is that game fun
balmy condor
no its awful don't buy it
arctic walrus
buy it
vital haven
limber lion
Running 2x Clockwork beats my Gorak Tul's by a decent margin. Is it a bait or is it actually good? Only been using one so far, can't get Carapace chest.
balmy condor
its good
2x clock is imo
its obviously not bis cause cara chest exists
but its a solid combo
limber lion
Yeah, I'm stuck on progressing N'Zoth and I doubt we're reclearing ever again once N'zoth falls, so might as well go for the 2nd Clockwork if nothing elsr
crimson palm
clockwork on nzoth
balmy condor
yeah that's a little unlucky
limber lion
Is Clockwork dog on Nzoth?
crimson palm
dead trait
limber lion
Ah well rip.
ruby ibex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sDh6fLTVrE1J6rKcBm38k6
Once again trying to eek out whatever I can, and with some 470/5s in bags a 500dps increase is all Im seeing :/ Trying to keep under 40 corruption tho
ruby ibex
That's bonkers... so the 475 dagger isn't an upgrade then?
balmy condor
socket
ruby ibex
Also Masterful on the OH?
grizzled jay
imagine getting weapon upgrades in 2020 lol
ruby ibex
Is that a new thing, or just a personal to me thing?
balmy condor
personal to you
deadly/masterful nav are usually pretty close
you don't have to re-chant if you don't want to
within margin of error according to that sim
ruby ibex
Oic, ok
Oh, the 475 weapon is also within that margin, so I could swap and put a socket on it later
grizzled jay
tendies stack with vers right?
balmy condor
yeah
grizzled jay
vers nav for tendy build, should sim that
balmy condor
well tendy build would go crit/vers nav I think
ruby ibex
If I went up to 40 corruption (and got the cloak upgrade to drop it back down to 37, just haven't done that yet this week) would that drastically alter anything, or is it safe to just take the bracers Ex2 and knock it up to Ex3?
balmy condor
I would keep the exped2 for the end game build
grizzled jay
if they don't make gale-force unusable above level 51, it'll be dumb meta for sub can't wait
balmy condor
exped2 to exped3 isn't a huge jump
ruby ibex
I'm too naive to tell if that's srsbzns or not
dire spoke
is that a polish word
ruby ibex
lol
dire spoke
grizzled jay
Cleansing my Severes for Tendies is a dps loss, surprised
balmy condor
seems reasonable
dire spoke
gotta throw some crit vers in for tendies
grizzled jay
probably why, my gear is mostly crit/mast
zinc echo
Should Crimson Tempest be simming higher? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5DvyF7a1NCZdyAkC6m88DL
dire spoke
poor soul
grizzled jay
lol
balmy condor
TTK disables CT single target
zinc echo
What's the workings behind that?
dire spoke
you press less envenom with CT
balmy condor
CT uses combo points that would be used for envenom
TTK makes envenom better
Envenom procs PB
PB > CT
grizzled jay
see above
dire spoke
strange python
ok. took your advice and now i have 2 exp. 3 and 2 exp. 2. also a random twilight dev from this week but whatever, i lvl 469. still like sitting 40k. genuinely hurting my brain
grizzled jay
your base haste is not high enough
strange python
idk maybe i cant understand why putting up haste would throw dps so much higher. like i have a rogue in my guild who hits 80k at 472 and his haste is around 20
Maybe he is running the crit build
vast forum
wow 80k so stronk
vast forum
thing is, expedient isn't just haste from gear
you get haste from 2-3 minor essences
you get haste from 1-2 trinkets
and 1-2 tier 3 traits (depending on gear you're wearing)
so the same rank of expedient gives you, on average, over 2x the number of haste points that a severe gives you crit points
strange python
well im using wrath trinket and i want vita but got void so...bummer
grizzled jay
bote minor, unstable flames, dice/spyglass 🤔
vast forum
and crit has MUCH steeper diminishing returns
grizzled jay
coral 🙂
vast forum
i mean, i'm not saying severe is bad, but at the highest gear that you're recommended to use
you don't wear dice/spyglass
you don't use any unstable flames
and bote minor gives more haste than crit
grizzled jay
yah im not saying sev is better than exp just that there's still decent stuff that gives crit
vast forum
well
if you wanna use the suboptimal gear and suboptimal corruption, they might go well together 😄
strange python
idk 40k sitting...doesnt feel like i earned my AOTC. fat carry
vast forum
but they're still both suboptimal
grizzled jay
tendies can still parse better anyways so is it really suboptimal kappa
strange python
How much corruption you guys running in m+
balmy condor
sub 40 in high keys, sub 60 in anything less than like a 21
scarlet sequoia
strange python
Ok I’m just too scared with the things from beyond I’ll play around with it I’m currently at 50, only doing +18 lower
grizzled jay
make healers adjust
strange python
Well I’ll just cloak lol
vast forum
i run sub 60 in high keys
vast forum
i usually have blind, cloak or other cloak for it 😄
or i'm in a situation where it won't kill me
dire spoke
you must be a real god
rigid eagle
hey guys, what would the crit build look like at max corruption resist
dire spoke
rigid eagle
like how many ST 2 and how many ST 3
dire spoke
doesn't the pinned googlesheet guide mention that in the crit build section? not sure
grizzled jay
pretty sure its 60:40 for sev/strk
but also you can just sim it
use top gear and set your max resistance to 100 and say you have 12 sev3s and 12 strk3s
and it'll poop out the best combination
rigid eagle
o bigbrain
i thought we didn't rly need a lot of severes though?
unless im being stupid and "crit build" isn't the same thing as EB m+ build?
hidden bay
Ping raz and ask him 🙂
dull crypt
are there any scenarios in mythic nyalotha where minor BotE becomes a thing for expedient rogue
or are breath/focusing iris/formless void too strong
balmy condor
CLF major takes bote minor always
dull crypt
over which one generally? gonna sim now but curious
dull crypt
alright, currently running bote major for quicker burst sequences but is good to know
drifting cloud
formless major also takes bote minor
balmy condor
ye
formless major is basically just CLF major setup
except you're yoinking CLF
instead of running it
balmy condor
well yeah
drifting cloud
super niche anyways, what spec even runs bote major to steal thats not assa
fury warr?
dull crypt
currently progressing ilgynoth and feel that bote sets up nicely once per ilgynoth phase
drifting cloud
or am I forgetting something super obvious
near coyote
anyone on the PTR atm? I keep getting error
Just curious if it's down and wait or an issue i should fix
storm forum
hey, i finally got the mechagon ring set, but i have both division (from behind) and recursion (3 diff abilities), I'm currently proging on nzoth and was wondering what uptime on the division one I could be seeing.
I know he has a back (where shadow step would drop me off), but a friend of mine just told me anywhere would count for behind nzoth? can anyone confirm that? I was also told that some ability was bugged for the recursion loop, is that also true?
balmy condor
bleeds trigger division
should be close to 100%
@near coyote ptr isn't very stable at
storm forum
thanks
drifting cloud
I know its such a minor thing but do we know if its actually bleeds that trigger it
or is it just like he said basically everything on nzoth counts as behind
drifting cloud
because I remember on fish in EP
balmy condor
it works on other bosses too
drifting cloud
I actually had to move to the side to proc it
but then for example on radiance it would just refresh everytime even when my side was tanking boss
drifting cloud
yeah could have just been changed
but im 100% they didnt proc on behemoth in ep from bleeds
because that tier I actually had a wa that tracked the proc 😂
dire spoke
harsh sphinx
looked at a log. no uptime for it 😦
nvm
30%
so maybe i was doing it to the side wrong
balmy condor
I didn't do shit homeboy
I didn't buy the expedient for you
cause that would be account sharing
carmine latch
why crit gems? 😮
balmy condor
cause it simmed higher probably
strange python
sims better for me
carmine latch
so is there a cap for haste?
balmy condor
no
its just sometimes stats are better than other stats
and so you gem for it
its very minimal tho
grizzled jay
when did 3m become the meme
balmy condor
3 min isn't a meme?
carmine latch
how much haste % ya'll got with food buff?
balmy condor
depends on who "y'all" is
grizzled jay
at least 10
balmy condor
full mythic, anywhere from like 70-80%
strange python
Without food buff I got 68%
balmy condor
60+ is usually a good thing to aim for for heroic+some mythic and a couple sockets imo
strange python
But I don’t have mythic gear and only 473 ilvl
balmy condor
pog then
I think once you get past 60 you're well on your way
when you start scratching into 70% you're looking good
void pecan
I'm ready.
balmy condor
you mean T-10?
golden kraken
What essences do yall recommend for M nzoth? Im running BotE major and currently I can have it up for pull and psychus 1. Some rogues in my guild are running CLF but even tho that sims higher I dont know what would be a good time to use it
vast forum
CLF major is good for boss dps
you can use it on first burn phase, then 2nd burn phase and after secret phase
fiery cradle
what % haste does ct typically sim higher than pb?
balmy condor
60ish
fiery cradle
hmm ok
carmine latch
Can u add socket slots to items in sims?
balmy condor
yes
carmine latch
dayum 😮
balmy condor
using either the wrathion setup, or gear compare, or editing the bonus id's
with some copy pasting
carmine latch
cheers
dire spoke
🥂
grizzled jay
WV simming higher than CLF for me 🙂
balmy condor
pog
grizzled jay
thank goodness, hate CLF
balmy condor
wait
grizzled jay
FV minor only sims 0.5% worse than iris minor, wonder if i should just take it for the ally haste benefit
sly rampart
My dps is super low even though i have decent gear and know the rotations. I think it's my stats, but I keep reading and seeing conflicting information on what to bump up and would love some feedback so I don't suck as much. Crit = 27%, Haste = 23%, Mastery = 34%, Versa = 8% - also have a piece that gives me leech @ 5%
balmy condor
where are your stats my dude
lone junco
23 haste Is pretty low. Post your raidbots sim.
grizzled jay
Comparatively I have 51% crit, 15% haste, 42% mastery, and 6% vers 🙂
rigid eagle
meanwhile haste builders can go up to 80% haste out of combat
also there's a guy in the sub channel with 70% out of combat crit lol
balmy condor
severe stacking sub
grizzled jay
@balmy condor u hate us cuz u aint us
i could have more crit but i have a TA3 taking up the spot of 3 Sevs
also pretty sure going straight Sev is bad dps, you want more Strk3 than Sev3
dire spoke
yikes
grizzled jay
🙂
strange python
I finished mine and am sitting at 52 corruption.
Along with 74% haste
strange python
let me do a 5 min cuz I normally do 3s
grizzled jay
3s sim 
balmy condor
give me that 7 target beastlord 20 second sim homeboy
fallow otter
Lol
charred timber
opinions on Lucid Dreams minor for Wrathion? So you can do 2 Vendettas before doing spikes.
charred timber
im sorry my bad.
but what do i take out? atm i have:
Major: Blood
Minor: Dying, Iris and Void
balmy condor
you would take out void
charred timber
ok imma try it out. thnx :)
balmy condor
np
vital haven
@crimson palm teach me nzoth strats rank 1 god
balmy condor
step 1 do more damage than all the other rogues.
step 2 get vita in your opener
step 3 profit
vital haven
thank you whispyr
cyan bone
ez money, only rogue in my guild so i won i guess
vital haven
you da best
balmy condor
;) you don't open on nzoth?
balmy condor
he doesn't have time to talk to us simpletons
arctic walrus
you go insane and kill boss before secret phase
rancid bobcat
am i wrong in that if my gearset is split about evenly between all the stat gems that i can swap from haste food to something else if i have expedient
because -93 haste +93 mastery in food can be made up with +100 haste -100 mastery in gems
cause fuck buying haste food
rancid bobcat
cause thats what i have been doing
but for whatever reason i had a mini aneurysm and thought i was wrong for a minute
balmy condor
yeah no that's a-ok
fallow otter
you go insane and kill boss before secret phase
@arctic walrus I wish this was true
runic kiln
how the fuck to parse on vex
fallow otter
But it ain't
I've noticed a few things from the log though
In reality parsing gonna be hard because we have buyers
balmy condor
@runic kiln shorter fight, more pump 
rancid bobcat
runic kiln
is it just like not possible to get a decent parse on vex unless your kill time is under 3 min wtf
rancid bobcat
i mean define "decent"
you dont need to do anything except perform well to get like a 95
no special raid cheese or w/e
cause for every big parse with short kills, there are still 100s of other kills by regular guilds filling the rest of the rankings
arctic walrus
log check
strange python
Looks pretty good
balmy condor
yeah, nice quality of life
strange python
Also wound poison is a 5% healing reduction but it’ll stack up to 5 times
grizzled jay
isn't R2 already a part of Sin's toolkit
balmy condor
poisons are 20% less application chance for sub/outlaw
so 20%+ is just what it is on live
I'm pretty sure
balmy condor
yeah no
grizzled jay
r2 makes fok auto apply aoe poison
balmy condor
its good if you open with garrote too
how many times have you multi-dotted 3 garrotes on pull
and then turned around
strange python
Idk
balmy condor
and haven't had poison on a target
fleet whale
rank 2 is a nice qol change
fleet whale
but as much as i hated the talent
balmy condor
5% stacking up to 5 times
fleet whale
i wished rank 2 was around with agonizing poison lol
grizzled jay
the Subt opener in ST is so smooth. Garrote Ambush Ambush Rupture
strange python
Gonna fuck over some death knights
balmy condor
isn't that just a nerf
strange python
Not if you use master poisoner
fleet whale
yeah.. but after that opener you are out of energy
grizzled jay
are you runner Deeper
strange python
29% live, 32% theoretically
grizzled jay
In that time you'll get 2 Wounds procs for 14 Energy + natural energy regen
strange python
I run vigor
grizzled jay
nah talkin to Varo
strange python
Oh
grizzled jay
this what i've been using
fleet whale
it's more about how sluggish things will be after that opner
grizzled jay
it doesn't feel sluggish to me
fleet whale
i suppose ambush procs will help though
balmy condor
isn't wound poison 25% on live atm
balmy condor
so then its a nerf
grizzled jay
15% heal steal
balmy condor
strange python
Yeah but if you use master poisoner it may as well have 6 stacks
fleet whale
i miss the pvp talent that made deadly poison apply mortal wounds
balmy condor
that's just strictly worse
strange python
2% more
balmy condor
strange python
Because blizzard can’t math
fleet whale
i honestly don't really see this being that significant
balmy condor
uh huh.....
strange python
I’m a dumbass
balmy condor
and then what
strange python
I counted it wrong
balmy condor
5*5 *1.2 is in fact equal to 25 *1.2
grizzled jay
its actually a buff because one dispel doesn't remove the whole thing
only one stack
strange python
Wait what?
grizzled jay
well i mean that's how most stack effects work, no i didn't test it
balmy condor
in form of what
grizzled jay
Numbing is gonna get nerfed d/w
balmy condor
oh numbing is back?
fleet whale
yeah,
balmy condor
interesting
fleet whale
and unless if they changed it you can have numbing and crippling on at the same time
grizzled jay
15% AS slow when FoK can spread it is insanely overpowered in M+ and will not make it to live lol
low girder
grizzled jay
they've fixed like 2 things for Rogue
fleet whale
idk, people thought iron wire was gonna be some broken shit in the bfa beta
but it wasn't anything that amazing, still a decent talent
grizzled jay
15% AS slow is magnitudes stronger than a long silence on one caster
fleet whale
well it wasn't just the silence for iron wire
strange python
How though tmb?
grizzled jay
every tank's #1 damage taken source form M+ is melee
take that number and reduce it by 15%
that's how much DR Numbing would provide
that is absurd
it invalidates affixes like Raging and Necrotic
Think of the time it takes a tank to get to 30 Necrotic stacks then have to kite. It now takes 15% longer.
strange python
And it would be easier for them to kite with the slowing poison