assassination

[balmy condor]

nah just prio

[burnt star]

just before envenom if its down

and i keep all bleed up 100% ?

then muti/envenom spam?

[balmy condor]

no, you maintain 4-5 for energy and fok spam

fok on 2 targets with EB

[burnt star]

what for real? even in st

[balmy condor]

in single target you just follow the usual TB rotation

[burnt star]

im trying to find the said tb rotation, its not in the new guide

that was my original question 😉

[balmy condor]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

[crimson palm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qc9CL2phvnftHJZA/#fight=last&view=rankings @oblique lark

gotcha boy

[burnt star]

thx

[oblique lark]

lucky))

[crimson palm]

not even close 😄

half raid went insane

ez pad dmg

[runic kiln]

VOP minor for wrathion thoughts? seems like itd line up BOTE+Vend nicely for each ground phase

i know some run it, but its only at ~10% selection

[balmy condor]

its pretty okay

especially short ass fights

[vast forum]

vop minor is great for wrathion mythic

[slate shore]

excuse me for the dumb question but , how i can see the timeline with the rota and skill used in warcraftlog?

[balmy condor]

timeline casts

[slate shore]

thanks so much @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

np

[tribal ivy]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lone junco]

!affixes

[prisma monolith]

Affixes: Fortified, Bursting, Volcanic, Awakened

[fleet whale]

wow i just realized in the pre-patch

we won't even have TB shiv, it isn't learned until level 56 lol

[balmy condor]

shiv is level 29

[fleet whale]

yeah, you get the ability at level 29

but the "TB" part of it isn't learned until level 56

[balmy condor]

oh I see

wild

[fleet whale]

so idk how sin will be in pre-patch

[balmy condor]

not like it matters

prepatch is always a fucking mess

[crimson palm]

exsan should still be the better build in prepatch

base haste is around 40%

[true escarp]

So I've been seeing Gushing Wounds got nerfed bad and that expedient is what you want to get your dps way high. What are your thoughts? I'm completely stuck on what corruptions I need to get.

[fleet whale]

take expedient for ST raiding

GW is still really good in pvp and overall is still strong, Expedient is better though

[balmy condor]

1 GW is good on like a 475/485 piece as well

since it scales

[true escarp]

And for mythics I want strikethrough and severe correct?

[balmy condor]

ye if you're EB stacking

if you don't have EB azerite, you can just go with a raid build

[true escarp]

Okay thanks! I've been having trouble with my dps lately and my ilvl ranges from 472-467 depending on the gear I'm switching from raid/mythic to pvp

[balmy condor]

ilvl is silly

[fleet whale]

your equiped ilvl is almost always going to be lower

than what is in your bags

[runic kiln]

what 485 would you even put GW on? I guess Cara dagger?

[balmy condor]

boots

[true escarp]

I agree but having trouble holding 40k in 10+ mythics I think is bad. But I could totally be wrong

[runic kiln]

would you really use those boots over a haste 475 boot?

[balmy condor]

ye

[runic kiln]

why not just stick it on a dagger?

[balmy condor]

40k in a +10 is kinda janky for sure

I mean you could

but we have too much corruption res anyway

so its kinda whatever

[fleet whale]

just 5 more resets

[balmy condor]

15 corruption on a slot isn't good enough anymore tbh

[fleet whale]

and we'll be at cloak cap

[true escarp]

I also fuggen hate outlaw so I really just stick to assassination even in. Mythics

[runic kiln]

outlaw is for masochists.

even moreso in SL

[fleet whale]

5% haste assassination is also for masochists 😛

[balmy condor]

we'll be fine with alacrity and shit

[runic kiln]

5 resets for cloak cap?? isnt cap 120?

[balmy condor]

125

cap this week is 110, how you getting to 120 my dude

[low girder]

week 4 is +1, ez

but yeah cap is 125

[runic kiln]

i thought blizzard was gonna big dumb "round up" from 119 to 120

idk

they do dumb shit a lot

[urban lava]

sup all, I've been gearing up my rogue alt and decided to go assassination

did I make the right choice?

[balmy condor]

sure

[young vessel]

yo got some stupid questions

[runic kiln]

the only wrong choice is subtlety

[young vessel]

how to do big logs on nzoth heroic

[balmy condor]

do more damage

[runic kiln]

waste all your cooldowns on psychus

[young vessel]

its the last 99 i need

[balmy condor]

psychus extra damage gets removed

[runic kiln]

and get corrupted in last phase

wait real

[balmy condor]

yes

[runic kiln]

l0l nvm

[balmy condor]

but you should definitely just CD a ton

don't hold

lose sanity with the lust

[urban lava]

ye I got the feeling that subtlety might not be the best choice at the moment, and I can't stand outlaw because I just feel like a pirate 😦

[runic kiln]

CD between every psychus phase except when youre about to push nzoth, try to have CDs up when you get yourself corrupted for the damag ebuff

[young vessel]

oke

which psychus should i go into

[runic kiln]

whatever your raid leader tells you

[young vessel]

so

im not bursting 1st

[storm perch]

On current phase of game you may go w/e spec you want

Especially when gearing alt

[urban lava]

yeah... nobody seems to want me in their group though 😦

I'm 440 ilvl atm

i guess that's just what happens at end of patch / new exp coming

[true escarp]

What enchants should I have on my weapons for mythic plus?

[balmy condor]

deadly/vers

also that happens when you're an undergeared alt 4+ months into a patch

[raven locust]

How much does Invigorating Shadowdust reduce our CDs by?

[silent crescent]

I heard 15 seconds but cannot verify

[tulip star]

im mainly a pvp player and have basically all my corruptions as gushing wounds, how viable is this in mythics?

[balmy condor]

its okay but you're not gonna aoe

[tulip star]

thats fine, im used to single target nuking i guess lol

[lean marten]

i beat the game whispyr

https://i.imgur.com/MKGoo5l.png

passive

[normal olive]

delete your rogue

34% crit or bust

[lean marten]

i was going to but i went with what simmed higher

[fleet whale]

34% crit isn't about sims

sims don't reveal the secret power you unlock

when you hit 34%

[lean marten]

go on

[normal olive]

Just like the hidden op IT 3xNP VoP build

[fleet whale]

there is a little known bug in-game that causes your mutilate to generate at least 3 cps every cast

when you have baseline 34% crit

[normal olive]

not more and not less

[lean marten]

im sure raz has 34% and 69%

what am i doing with my life

[scarlet sequoia]

[crimson palm]

[main adder]

Someone once told me about a little assassination rogue trick, where during your rotation, if you tap vanish I think it was, even if vanish is on cooldown, it can proc an internal haste or some buff of some kind.... this worked up until very recently, is that still a thing, and what exactly is happening here?

[quiet radish]

I'm having an issue with raidbots its currently saying my helm is better for me over having a 480 helm with SS. Does this seem right? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/NPAAw77iDsH9EtFhq78KV

[balmy condor]

@main adder that's not a thing

also yeah

seems legit

[quiet radish]

well i guess my only hope is mythic raden

i mean is 3 SS's truly important?

i can take a -496 to get a heroic gibber

[dire spoke]

you what

if vanish is on cooldown, it can proc an internal haste

[main adder]

interesting, my sim is now telling me to use Potion of Focused Resolve over unbridled fury for single target

[dire spoke]

yeah

our throughput outnumbers the fury damage

[main adder]

I wouldn't have known that unless I just checked my simc rotation for the heck of it 🙂

[dire spoke]

If you stick around, look at other's sims and logs you'll be on edge most of the time

[main adder]

ya

Im simming higher without 3 SS though, is that broken and I should ignore it and go with triple SS?

maybe its cos I dont have a hood with SS yet though

[dire spoke]

Are you running poison?

twist the knife kinda disables CT too

[balmy condor]

the sim is fine

DD/swirling for example on the helm

is still good

[honest iris]

whats max corruption this week with 9x expedient 3s?

[arctic walrus]

60

[random raft]

Is it ever right in Ny’alotha to use CLF over BotE? Double dose build at 466 and CLF sims higher. But I know ive seen a write up explaining why CLF isn’t optimal.

[vast forum]

clf is better on most fights,

if you use lust on pull

[random raft]

Cast it before vendetta?

[balmy condor]

yes

[random raft]

And what minors pair best?

[balmy condor]

bote breath iris

[random raft]

Very cool

Thanks all!

[cyan bone]

What do you do in m+ at obelisks, do you guys wait a few seconds after tank entered to hit multiple targets with ss garrote?

because if you just enter right ahead only the big mob is there right

[balmy condor]

you can go in and just wait in stealth

but tank first usually yeah

[cyan bone]

but if I go in I always go out of stealth instantly

idk why

is that because someone entered before me?

[balmy condor]

are you playing haste

[cyan bone]

yea

[balmy condor]

hitting the obelisk takes you out of stealth

and the cast is hasted

so stealth still on CD when you enter

[cyan bone]

I click obelisk out of stealth

and right before cast finishes I click stealth

so it stealthes when I enter, but then I leave stealth aswell for some reason

if I dont do that and just go in right ahead without pressing anything I am in combat right?

[balmy condor]

you enter stealth and then leave stealth?

I mean you're getting pulled in combat but idk what you're doing to do that

[cyan bone]

how do you enter normally?

[balmy condor]

I just enter and hit stealth

[cyan bone]

tbh I never tried just going in and pressing stealth after

I thought you insta get combat

thats why I pressed it before cast finished

[normal olive]

get out of stealth before entering

[sour wraith]

I get the same thing, where I enter out of stealth, hit stealth right after entering and the subterfuge procs and I get knocked out of stealth right after entering it

[normal olive]

or you might have gcd on stealth

[cyan bone]

so after you enter you arent in combat instantly?

[sour wraith]

No, there's like a split second for me to press stealth

[balmy condor]

yeah you can hit stealth right after entering

[cyan bone]

oh okay I will try that then thx

[vast forum]

there's a bug

that starts stealth near the end of obelisk cast

and puts you out of stealth as you enter

but as long as you're not the first one in

you can enter and then stealth with almost a whole second of wiggle room

[runic kiln]

worth slightly delaying first vanish on raden to garrote adds?

[balmy condor]

yes

[runic kiln]

same on xanesh?

[strange python]

Can someone enlighten me on the second vendetta/vanish shenanigan

Should I save the third (fourth?) exsang for it?

and then is it ven - vanish - gar - rup - gar

or vanish - gar - rup - gar - ven - clf - etc

[plain thistle]

no, you delay vendetta to use it with 4th exsanguinate

then its the normal full combo with vanish

[strange python]

kk

that way ven vanish and exsang are all up

[plain thistle]

yeah

[strange python]

so then it's vanish - gar - rup - gar - ven - clf - mut - exsang

etc etc

right?

[coarse tusk]

you shouldn't have clf for the 2nd vanish/vendetta

[plain thistle]

no, why mut before exsang?

[coarse tusk]

unless you delaying

[plain thistle]

yeah, clf wont be up

[coarse tusk]

and if you delay pop clf first

[fallow otter]

If you delay long enough for clf you have already shit the bed

[coarse tusk]

not true

if you have a 3:30 fight

you only going to have 2 vendetta's/vanishes

you have to know your kill time though

[fallow otter]

Yeh fair call

[strange python]

sorry habbit to put it in there

mut before exsang to get cp?

[plain thistle]

thats a waste of gcd, you dont need CP to use exsanguinate

[fallow otter]

if you have a 3:30 fight
@coarse tusk exactly what our raden is

But you want blood to parse on raden

[strange python]

sorry , was typing between pulls. so what i meant is usually in opener you do gar - rup - gar - ven - clf - mut - rup (or ct) - exsang

so why would i not do the same for that second set

(minus clf)

although clf isn't really far off from that set

[coarse tusk]

you should already have a rupture rolling

[strange python]

gotcha ok

so as long as its >25 sec then good to pop exsang

[balmy condor]

always 6cp and garrote before exsang

[coarse tusk]

you should gar gar rupture vend exsang

[strange python]

that sounds wrong

[balmy condor]

vend before

start at 3 cp, gar rup gar

[strange python]

kk

ty whispyr

[balmy condor]

gotchu homie

[fallow otter]

If you already have some cp you can gar rup gar instead

[coarse tusk]

it should be 4 pts

[fallow otter]

Yup

[strange python]

worth it to hold clf or nah

hold for *

[coarse tusk]

you just told him to 6 pt ruture

[balmy condor]

depends on kill time

yes

[coarse tusk]

g is 3 points + 2 = 5

[balmy condor]

?

[strange python]

plus a mut = 6

[fallow otter]

Lol

[coarse tusk]

that plus 2 is mut

[strange python]

oh derp

[coarse tusk]

3 + 2 = 5

[balmy condor]

wat

[fallow otter]

What

Haha

[balmy condor]

we just said gar gar rupture

right

so start at 3

first gar to 6

rupture 6cp

and the second garrote for extra ticks

[coarse tusk]

you didn't type that

you typed 3 pt gar rupture gar

[fallow otter]

So?

[coarse tusk]

ohhh i misread

disregard

[fallow otter]

SS Gar = 3cp

[strange python]

im just assuming it's the same as opener. vanish - gar - rup - gar - ven - mut (if not 5-6cp) - rup - exsang?

[balmy condor]

vend before

[strange python]

gotcha

[fallow otter]

Start with 3cp, clf if you have it, vend vanish gar rup gar exang

[balmy condor]

yuh

[coarse tusk]

it doesn't have to be at 3 though

if you over cap to 4

you can start at that too

[balmy condor]

sure but its not ideal

[coarse tusk]

you're basically asking him to crit one of his muts

[balmy condor]

most common outcome

[coarse tusk]

not for me

[strange python]

i was mainly just concerned about the order of vanish/vend and all that jazz

just get a nice fat rupture after the usual vanish rotation then exsang, ez enough

[fallow otter]

Well you can gar gar rupture but not ideal, we've all done it but we aren't in here to talk about how to play average

[balmy condor]

gar gar rupture is minor down

if you can avoid it, you should

but its not awful

[coarse tusk]

id be surprised if it even was noticable

[fallow otter]

Hey whisp

[balmy condor]

hey stunkei

whats up bb girl

[fallow otter]

Numbers to make it simple but if you put a 20s rup ontop of a 10s rup does pandemic makeit the same total as the reverse

[balmy condor]

uh

not necessarily

garrote is an easier example

18 second bleeds, so pandemic is always 5.4

so if you put a garrote on a 5 second vs a 10 second

you're obviously losing time

[coarse tusk]

that's a no

putting a 10s rupture on a 20 second rupture would put it at 13 seconds

[balmy condor]

I mean in his hypothetical, it depends on what the max duration of the new ruptures are

10 sec ruptures and 20 sec ruptures don't exist

[coarse tusk]

well that's his number

the pandemic timer is based on the duration of the bleed you're going to apply

[balmy condor]

correct

it would be 13 if you're applying the 20 sec to the 10 sec

wait

no

[fallow otter]

Ok I've got my head around it

[balmy condor]

what

hold on

[coarse tusk]

it would be 26

[balmy condor]

yeah

[fallow otter]

Yeh

[balmy condor]

its always 30% of the newly applied dots duration

[strange python]

So, I don't want to look it up. Did someone already talk about NF covenant Shadowmeld yet?

just realized i ran the wrong minors during raid tonight

[fallow otter]

Yeah it's toxic might make me quit rogue

[strange python]

[coarse tusk]

why would you quit rogue over shadowmeld?

[strange python]

@fallow otter you will realize that no class that make you excited after rogue.

Trust me I played most classes and they are garbage.

[fallow otter]

Haha yeh but if I get shoehorned into night fae

[strange python]

Maybe dk or ret is ok a little bit but mobility...

[fallow otter]

Im gonna be salty bro

In so seriousness I'm quite worried about the balance

Because they have never got it right

[coarse tusk]

yeah there probably is going to be imbalance

[fallow otter]

But nothing I can do, just sit back and enjoy the show

[arctic walrus]

if you actually do happen to pick the worst ones first tier and they forego nerfing the top pick you can still swap and not be behind

supposedly

[fallow otter]

Yeah that's my hope, but I heard that it's not exactly true

You are behind, same reason you don't want to delay choosing

Otherwise I would just not choose

And wait

[coarse tusk]

you can't do torghast without choosing and start collecting your legendary materials

so you will be behind if you don't choose

[fallow otter]

Which I'm assuming you lose if you switch?

[coarse tusk]

the materials?

i don't think you'll lose that

[fallow otter]

Soul binds prog I guess then

Maybe choosing and then not spending on cov stuff is the move

[weary badger]

what stat to prioritise after haste?

[runic kiln]

pretty equal between crit and mast, check sim for specific gems/items

[balmy condor]

crit/mast

[weary badger]

Alright

[runic kiln]

how2get cara dagger

[balmy condor]

kill cara

[runic kiln]

no dice

[balmy condor]

drops every time 100% drop guaranteed

[runic kiln]

aint drop

[tribal obsidian]

so whats the play if you aren't going down on psychus at all on M

[oblique jackal]

my guild just made me give vita to an 445 balance druid

[sudden trench]

Find a new guild

[balmy condor]

find a new boomy

[void sinew]

yall run echoing blades on hive?

[balmy condor]

nah

[void sinew]

when you open on hive just garrote both into regular opener on tek?

[balmy condor]

yes

[void sinew]

gotcha thanks

and what was the cash money % to run formless over memory

if more then 90% uptime

[low girder]

it's like roughly 60 or 65

depends on the gear though

always sim

[void sinew]

lmao I ran it for shad and it had 10% uptime

is that right? can it be that low

guess gonna run lucid

wait nvm had 76* uptime im a troglodyte

[strange python]

@balmy condor btw if I still building haste build so untill next Tuesday should I go m+ build for better dps output?

On Hivemind.

[fallow otter]

@void sinew you should look at using iris instead also

[void sinew]

use blood as major then iris, breath, and luciv

[fallow otter]

I personally clf-blood, breath, iris

[void sinew]

ye i've been swapping in clf for major for certain fights

[fallow otter]

My minors are blood iris breath yeh

Iris and formless are interchangeable

[void sinew]

gotcha thanks

[fallow otter]

Check uptime for a boss, our dog is like 97% uptime

Wrath trash uptime

Which makes sense but I just use iris coz it's not worth me screwing around

[young pebble]

What's the best way to maximize DPS on Vexiona? In particular how do I optimally go from DPSing Vex to the adds?

I'm running the Exsang CT build

[balmy condor]

you spread garrotes to the big boys

and CT the small boys

and let your fire mages and hunters do the rest :)

[young pebble]

Building CPs off Vex or FoKs on the little adds?

[balmy condor]

fok

[heady pier]

I have had terrible luck with gambling titan residuum. I haven't gotten a single piece with SS or EB. I have 465 azerite gear with one of them on each. Should I roll mythic + without those traits and higher ilvl, or use the 465 gear to have 2 EB and 1 SS? Here are some links to my gear:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dJ63UGg4Ezdv6LnuvEqZeU

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vDE55FuaLFiX8vxpnC7xhK

Sims are similar, but I am sure ST is much better for the 480 gear

for bosses in mythic

[balmy condor]

you have to run the SS

[heady pier]

Is it best to have at least one ss, then as many eb as possible, or is it better to have more SS than eb

[balmy condor]

SS over the EB

1000000%

[heady pier]

so would you roll the three pieces with ss that are 465?

[balmy condor]

yeah

roll for 465's

traits > ilvl

[heady pier]

k

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wRnFEmZKKmHccebNS4Acvg

[heady pier]

dammnit, I am still pissed about my terrible rolls

[balmy condor]

I would run this in m+ for now

but you need to replace that cannonball ASAP

that trinket is dogshit

disenchant that

[heady pier]

k, thanks for the help

[balmy condor]

np

[fallow otter]

I insta made the same trinket swap

Lol

[heady pier]

what would be my strategy for using lustrous golden plumage?

[balmy condor]

use it with vendetta on single target, use it in aoe for damage

[heady pier]

would i use it during stealth to buff my garrote?

[balmy condor]

wat

no

plumage doesn't snapshot

[heady pier]

so use it after all bleeds are up and such, like blood of enemy

[balmy condor]

yes

you can use with blood in aoe as well

that's pretty poppin

[heady pier]

k cool

[strange python]

@balmy condor should I roll a couple shoulders for SS and something else. Is there even Gorak-Tul shoulders 465 possible?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5D2C5HKutpE2EEJYNHysbd

[void pecan]

is there even 460 goraks? Yes

[strange python]

Well then I will try right now.

[void pecan]

next week is expedient 3 as well so, save your echoes for then if that's what you're aiming for

[strange python]

I'm at 20k right now and planning to farm another 20k.

And gonna run heroic right now try to get trinkets at least or something that have haste/mastery 460-470.

Also, would be more reasonable for me right now to play around x3 DD in single target?

[void pecan]

Yes

sim it obviously, but

based on your gear, DD might be better

[strange python]

Well, no lack on shoulders though.

Got the one with EB and SS that I have already and another with DD and SS.

[fallow otter]

Which

Clockwork + SS?

[strange python]

No clockwork. But I think I can make DD build of it.

And I have full set with x3 SS+EB for m+.

[fallow otter]

Extravagant?

Ohh no clockwork

[strange python]

They should appear on my sim profile in bags.

[fallow otter]

You'll have to link a fresh topgear for that

[balmy condor]

Goraks 465 is possible yes

[strange python]

I go run some dailies to get one more 465 roll and look what I can do. I might run x3 DD untill 11th.

[uncut schooner]

Be a god and roll it as your first 480.

[strange python]

That worked only on my war which is one of six toons.

[balmy condor]

Just pull the SS/EB helm out of the first random 480

And a 475 galecallers out of the box on the same week

[fallow otter]

Extravagant or guraks if you had to pick

With current build how it is

5min be 3min

Lol

[balmy condor]

Extravagant is definitely the better all around pick

Better on short fights, comparable on long fights, also SS/EB so you can reroll into a m+ set

[fallow otter]

But it's better stepping stone from DD build

Guraks

But yeh, that's my point these days you kinda want to hope for extrav not guraks

[balmy condor]

Idk, I think the whole hurdle from DD to SS is super overblown

Exsang really doesn’t need that much haste

[fallow otter]

It is for people that play the game

[balmy condor]

It’s honestly fine

Decent azerite, exped5-6, and some 460/465 haste gear

Ez

We in there

[strange python]

@fallow otter I got Extravagant one.

[fallow otter]

It's more that we usually get people asking about it that are just coming back to their rogue

Or don't play much

@strange python perfect then

[balmy condor]

I don’t think that should be considered the normal though

[strange python]

So in this build Nothing Personal not needed?

[balmy condor]

Correct

NP isn’t worth it

[fallow otter]

It will be the normal for people still caring about rolls imo

[strange python]

Oki and what outer ring here then?

[fallow otter]

If you play the game and don't have your Azerite by now, I don't know what to say

[balmy condor]

Clock for raid EB for m+

[strange python]

It's Gutripper, HMC and Crit.

[fallow otter]

Crit

[strange python]

Ouch I meant the shitty ring.

[balmy condor]

Oh that outer ring

Yeah crit

[fallow otter]

The inner outer ring

Lol

[balmy condor]

Well

[strange python]

And stats would be in perfect build kinda Haste, Mastery and Crit right?

[balmy condor]

The inner inner outer ring

[strange python]

Well I'm russian.

[balmy condor]

Haste/mast or haste/crit in raid

Crit/Vers in m+

[fallow otter]

Cheeky breeky

[strange python]

Lul.

Got it. Thanks guys.

[balmy condor]

Np

[strange python]

I'm gonna sim it in sec and let you to check.

I might missing something.

[finite moss]

anyone simming over 100k with severe and strikethrough build?

[balmy condor]

In single target?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sx8tgotV5NUbyTRsRMrKtF

[strange python]

I have only seen something like that on garbage outlaw.

Hm, some russian dude.

[balmy condor]

Smoker

The guy who wrote the guide in the pins

And then translated it from the Russian discord

[strange python]

Well they should have some good theorycrafters there.

I just had not played on EU or RU since 2013.

[balmy condor]

Dunno

All the simcraft devs are in here I think at least

[strange python]

I like to check Шипе from Exorsus sometimes.

[balmy condor]

Dunno who that is either xD

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ha7ai3VwVTH6adLUhU6XvE

[steel ridge]

All the simcraft devs are in here I think at least
Are they all rogues aswell?

[strange python]

2k increase or so...

[balmy condor]

Well all the rogue simcraft devs

There’s obviously other simcraft devs not in here

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

Greyhound was a mod for a while, he’s a dev, koji is a dev

Synecdoche was a community figure for a while as well

He does some dev work I think

Obviously aethys

[bleak tusk]

Hi

I happened to tab over here for the first time in a while

I haven't done SIMC work in a while. My focus was on MDI stuff this year.

[balmy condor]

Aha

I don’t keep tabs, I just see people in the other discord

Thought I would mention you :P

[bleak tusk]

Aw, that's v sweet 🙂

[fallow otter]

2k increase or so...
@strange python you gonna gain alot from buying exp3

[weary badger]

Can we exsanguinsate GW?

[balmy condor]

No

GW does not interact with any of our specs mechanics

Vendetta doesn’t buff it either

[weary badger]

I see

Put our dots proc it right

[balmy condor]

Yes

[weary badger]

And its affected by haste?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[weary badger]

Thank you sir

[balmy condor]

Np

[weary badger]

Gonna get me 9 gushings

[balmy condor]

Pvp set huh

[weary badger]

Yess

Get my 1.5k rating

Finally

Jk probably pushing for 1.8 at least

[balmy condor]

Big gains

[weary badger]

Dem gains but dont have 475s to put em on

Is GW good for pve too

Like in between getting max expedients

I alr have 4 banked and just waiting for right pieces

[arctic walrus]

you need 9 gushing to push 18

[weary badger]

Yes i'm badd

[balmy condor]

Vel toxic

we all have our own goals :)

[weary badger]

Actually made rogue cuz it looked fun in pvp

Been fun overall tho

[thorn moth]

are there weak auras in the pins

i just reinstalled windows and lost all my UI :(((((((((

[low girder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[steel ridge]

buying, selling, rebuying, works 100%. life hack confirmed.

[echo cargo]

facts

[full jungle]

anyone know which custom tags i need for devlin's WA group?

[weary badger]

Is TiAJ good for AoE build?

[strange python]

@balmy condor how many Exsanguinate should I use between Vendettas and Vanish to line it up? 2 right? One on open, and off CD next time than I wait for burst and start on Vanish after refreshing all bleeds?

[umbral rapids]

You like up CDs at the 4th exsanguinates

[devout thicket]

hi guys, i'm just coming back and starting to farm some gear and echoes. do you run expedient in m+ as well, or do you switch between sets? i don't think i'm willing to farm a separate set for raiding, m+ and pvp, considering it's the end of expansion, so my question is - how far below is the gushing wounds setup (as it seems to be the go to in pvp)?

[umbral rapids]

Vanish should line up with that one

[vast forum]

@devout thicket expedient is viable in m+ but "most" people run severe/strikethrough + EB build

[devout thicket]

i guess for ~~20s it won't matter too much, as i most likely won't be running much higher

don't want to burn out before the new expac

[vast forum]

i personally prefer expedient tho

[strange python]

Yo I just got Vita.

[shadow wedge]

[strange python]

What belt should you for for in exp build

[fallow otter]

@devout thicket if I was to farm one of the 3 it would be haste and exp, farm like mad coz it's nearly here

[vast forum]

@strange python any with haste

both from the raid are good

depending on your other gear and stats

[strange python]

I have this which i was gonna change to exp

everything else i have on is crit/haste

[vast forum]

that's a lot of crit then 😄

[strange python]

let me check how much after I cleanse

33.6%

Lower it a tad bit cuz my other pants with crit % are getting cleansed for exp in a week.

[errant delta]

dose clockwork hart stack?

[cyan bone]

5th time I didnt get gorak from weekly

ffs

[weary badger]

Gorak tul's mantle?

[cyan bone]

gorak shoulders

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qZj8bhQHDp9GA51CrCbE7X

Hm I need to switch some rings and just wait for next Tuesday.

Do I need Wrathion's trinket though or something else would be better?

[left schooner]

which one is better for pvp guys?

ofc the 470 one would get a corruption too

[dark crag]

Not everyone can get goraks first try when he switches to assa loot spec

[strange python]

@left schooner as far as I know Haste/Vers is way to go in pvp.

[left schooner]

Yeah. it's so annoying to pass on a good pvp corruption and 5 ilvls tho 😄

[harsh sphinx]

elemental whirl on ra-den helm

[spring swift]

wait why is goraks so good? got it 480 first try from vendor 😂

[strange python]

@harsh sphinx I know...50k for reforge.

I rather wait for that small amount output unless get 12% haste stack fully next week.

[harsh sphinx]

unfortunate

[outer lotus]

[dull crypt]

@strange python yeah what the guy said a bit ago, first exsang is with CDs, then the next two times you go off-cd, for 4th one you hold vendetta/trinkets and use all together

[steel ridge]

is there a way to make a WA icon glow when its sped up by exsanguinate?

[loud brook]

Sounds like it would need custom Lua code

[steel ridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[bronze aurora]

https://gyazo.com/c409be2b63f3df8a8dafff5314529d76

😄

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6N76kWYPCLZtNnyRbMUcfY soon ™️

[heavy forum]

So what spec is looking better for sl? Is there a good vid anyone can link

[shrewd night]

Noone knows until tuning pass in heroic week

[heavy forum]

I can’t wait for a new game. Im having trouble choosing between lvling my warr or rogue first tho 🤨

[shrewd night]

At least warrior has all their leggos and conduits afaik

[heavy forum]

They look quite good aswel

[devout fiber]

This bad for pve?

too much mastery i'm guessing

[shrewd night]

Not enough haste or crit

But sim yourself

[devout fiber]

This is better suited for pvp?

will do

[crimson palm]

no 34% crit no chance for killing bosses

[grizzled orbit]

That’s really low crit.

Oh shit, I’m in the assassination channel. Back to outlaw where I belong

[balmy condor]

@errant delta clockwork stacks the stats yes

[young dust]

really enjoyed raiding with CLF yesterday

as long as you can get at least 2 uses of it, that is

(not a question, just a suggestion)

[vast forum]

if u don't get 2 uses

then u use formless major and just steal CLF from your DH 😄

and have a better minor for the whole fight

[devout fiber]

hmmm

is it worth it for me to be doing normal Nyalotha @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Idk probably

[devout fiber]

what's the ilvl for normals 445?

Majority of my gear is 450/460

Totems are the only 420 ones

[balmy condor]

Adventure journal has that information in game

[solar latch]

what do we enchant our weapons again with for exsang + ct

[strange python]

whatever the raidbot commands

[verbal mantle]

sim yoself mate

[dire spoke]

https://i.snipboard.io/umpnOD.jpg

pepehands

[balmy condor]

Keybinding gives you extra 0.21% crit

[lean marten]

do u play wow in 480p

[balmy condor]

I would look into it

[dire spoke]

240p

[strange python]

144

[dire spoke]

the img host is poop

[balmy condor]

Imagine uploading screenshots

[dire spoke]

uploading to discord server must be different

[balmy condor]

100%

[strange python]

press the windows key, type snip, press enter, click new, drag to crop, ctrl+v in discord

you fucking boomer

[lean marten]

snipboard Y I K E S

[balmy condor]

Snip

What the

[strange python]

snipping tool

[balmy condor]

Just windows shift S

And make a cropped screenshot to begin with

You fucking boomer

[strange python]

that thing takes longer and is awkward to use

fuckin boomers

[balmy condor]

TAKES LONGER

[strange python]

What

yea

INSTANT

[lean marten]

Share-X is top tier and takes no effort

[strange python]

snipping tool is prehistoric and written in ancient assembly to go lightspeed

[balmy condor]

Boy you need to press more buttons just to OPEN your snip tool

[strange python]

that shit you said is fucking bloat

[dire spoke]

[balmy condor]

Windows shift S is 3 keys

Snip is 4

Get out of here

[dire spoke]

good that it matters

[lean marten]

i press: cntrl+PrintScrn

drag a box

paste

https://i.imgur.com/CrKntSY.png

with Share-X

[strange python]

share-x

if i wanted more shit on my pc i would install minecraft

[balmy condor]

Ctrl prnscrn is Windows Shift S

[dire spoke]

I queue a new sim that takes one hour only to tell me swapping one socket will give me +50 dps

[strange python]

Yeah but print needs me to use a second hand

[balmy condor]

You’re good in my book

[lean marten]

ShareX auto hosts to imgr too

its god tier

[strange python]

Second hand is perma fapping

[balmy condor]

True

Okay fun police time

#off-topic

Get out of my swamp

[lean marten]

[strange python]

its not bad if you disable notifications i guess

[balmy condor]

Your memes have no affect on me

I am but a simple red name

[strange python]

pink name

[balmy condor]

Same difference

[strange python]

no

[balmy condor]

Get out of my swamp

[strange python]

no

[dire spoke]

shit

I got 35% crit using food

[verbal mantle]

is sin good on beta ?

taking control of your swamp

[lean marten]

wispyr was blue earlier don't trust anything they say

[balmy condor]

That’s cause koffing abuses me

[strange python]

swolenar would never

[balmy condor]

GO BACK FROM WHENCE YOU CAME FROM OT PEOPLE

[dire spoke]

this will be perfect with EXP2

[strange python]

thats racist

how do you only have 72% haste

[dire spoke]

why do you want more

[strange python]

to have more

[dire spoke]

sim tells me otherwise

surprise

[outer lotus]

he has 34% crit

[balmy condor]

I bet you use stat weights

[outer lotus]

so its perfect

[balmy condor]

like a clown

[strange python]

who sims 2 months before prepatch

the goal is 100% haste

[balmy condor]

"but haste, I have 54%, and my stat weights say offhand weapon dps is the highest stat"

[dire spoke]

? me ?

[balmy condor]

? you ?

[dire spoke]

I checked for corruptions and it reduced haste for an honedmind sub 59, I cba dealing with shit

suprise

[balmy condor]

I know

Is jok

me love you

just stop clicking

:)

[dire spoke]

no

not for an elitist like you

[balmy condor]

yeah stupid 1%er

thats me, your resident #assassination elitist

[strange python]

if u want to become a non elitist whispyr

I got you

just use glimpse

[solar latch]

not sure how you read top gear sims but the thing above is your most damage right

[balmy condor]

yes

that's why they say - in front

and have lower numbers

[lean marten]

clicking spells is suboptimal you're costing you and your group dps and mechanics/awareness

[dire spoke]

it's good enough for prenerf CE

[balmy condor]

prenerf CE

[dire spoke]

🙂 that's what counts

[balmy condor]

who's the elitist now

[dire spoke]

[silent crescent]

Idk whats wrong with clicking, its 1 action compared to the like 10 keys used to type the spell...

[strange python]

true

all my spells are macroed

to type it in chat

[dire spoke]

also who needs mechanic awareness when you just can cheat death

l2p and use all your spells

[strange python]

Just get a tesla computer and make it play for you 5Head

[lean marten]

pre nerf CE as a clicker is actually pretty impressive. u should try blindfolded next

[balmy condor]

toes

[dire spoke]

toes+keyboard pov

[crimson palm]

huh casuals

i got CE with a steering wheel

[balmy condor]

woah woah woah calm down

[strange python]

now that

is indeed

impressive

[balmy condor]

we get it, rank 1 cara coming through

[crimson palm]

im rank 1 on nzoth as well

[lean marten]

hes top of nzoth too i think

[strange python]

wow

what a flexer

me get sad 😦

[crimson palm]

gonna reroll warrior in shadowlands and use only a gas pedal binded to execute for CE

[strange python]

That is 5Head

[lean marten]

bout to make a TA sub build so i can r1 parse sub

just have to beat the other 500

wait wtf theres only 70 sub parses on M nzoth

top 100 world here i come

[dark crag]

Try to beat me at carapace

[strange python]

arent u the pumping sub on cara?

[dark crag]

Yes

Tentacle procs and i didn't even went full TA

[strange python]

😄

[dark crag]

I can go r8 now, even r9 if i had a r1

[steep obsidian]

i can go like 250 corruption high ilvl tendies

i got nothing but that shit for the first 3 months of the patch

its funny in pvp sometimes or when like 3 spawn at a time in a short fight

[dark crag]

I get another cara dagger today

[steep obsidian]

i dont have that as an option

just playing hunter on cara 😐

could prolly play it but everyone just wants to get in and out asap for mounts now

[crimson palm]

not even 100k

[rigid musk]

Expedient or Gushing for Pve/PvP ?

I can't decide to buy Gushing or wait for Expedient come to sale

[balmy condor]

if you're doing one set, go gushing

if you're focusing pve, go expedient

it kinda really depends on what content you're doing

can't really recommend gushing for m+, but its great in pvp, and usable in raids, but expedient is good in m+, great in raids, and worse in pvp

[rigid musk]

Would a mix of both work? lets say 50% Expedient and 50% Gushing?

[balmy condor]

yeah but it won't be great in anything

probably would be best in raid

[strange python]

gw would be pvp with raid/m+ shit, expedient would be raid with m+ not so good and pvp shit, severe+strikethrough would be m+ with pvp/m+ shit

if you do all, you need different sets

[balmy condor]

hmmmmmm

[strange python]

oh

you know what i mean

[balmy condor]

:) yes

[humble valley]

What legendaries do people like for SLands? Doomblade and Zoldyck both seem pretty nifty

[civic tide]

from what haste % should one use CT on single target with exsang build?

[balmy condor]

when it sims better

~60%ish

[civic tide]

damn that's a lot

[balmy condor]

@humble valley ask again when we have all of our legendaries

shiv legendary doesn't work atm

also no tuning and bone spike is like 60% of our damage

so sepsis could be good but we don't know cause bone spike

and the legendaries interact with stealth and vanish

so

[tranquil stirrup]

Why does Subterfuge give more dps in Crit Assa build then Master Assasin ? 😮

[balmy condor]

cause you start to get a ton of crit

and then overcap

[tranquil stirrup]

oh

that simple

Thank you 🙂

[balmy condor]

also subt garrotes scale harder

than 50% silly crit

[frigid pilot]

if i dont have expedients, what spec/gear should i use as sin in raid

[lean marten]

TA and pray

[frigid pilot]

ta?

[balmy condor]

could also go severe/strike if you don't like the RNG

[lean marten]

just sim what u have with TB build until u can swap to expedients / exsang

imo

[balmy condor]

but twisted appendages would be the way to go

[lean marten]

ta = twisted appendages

[rain obsidian]

wow this in chest, should I use this instead of 460 gale?

[lean marten]

yes

[balmy condor]

sim

[strange python]

probably most likely

[balmy condor]

but yes

[lean marten]

gratz u got 1 of the 2 items thats BiS from chest

[frigid pilot]

@lean marten how much expedient or haste level do i need for exsang

[strange python]

3 items

4 actually

maybe even more

[balmy condor]

roughly 30% if you have the azerite

[rain obsidian]

which other item is BiS from chest?

[balmy condor]

but its super sketch

breakpoints are different for everyone

[lean marten]

@frigid pilot about 30%+ but u have to sim to really know

[strange python]

both mechagon rings, gcb, plumage, probs some armor pieces

More than 30

[frigid pilot]

30% haste >

?

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

Like 40 to 50

Or stick to double dose

[frigid pilot]

ok, and when do i add crimson tempest to the st build

[lean marten]

forgot about mecha rings

[balmy condor]

around 60%, but you also need to sim that

[lean marten]

when it sims higher

[lean marten]

90% of ur questions can be answered by: when it sims higher

[strange python]

Mingbru

[tranquil stirrup]

is Tol dagors Dagger ( haste + crit ) the best one to get from M+ ?

[balmy condor]

heroic cara would be better for raids

and mythic wrath better for m+

but given the limitation

yes

[rain obsidian]

I sim 800 higher with gale than plum :/ maybe its better to use plum because then ur not forced to stand still?

[tranquil stirrup]

sadly my options with raid items are limited 😦

its hard to pug

[balmy condor]

if you cast exsang while standing in gale, that's like 80% of it

[lean marten]

plum is so easy to optimize its probably better in 90% of situations

unless you're confident about gale timings and positioning

[balmy condor]

gale only

[runic kiln]

can someone explain the pre-fight CLF to me? I can never pre-CLF and still get the second garrote off after gar>rupture

[balmy condor]

CLF and then stealth

and don't fuck up the timing

:)

[runic kiln]

so the sims full of shit when it says to use CLF to break stealth

at 0

[balmy condor]

well

the sim doesn't have to rely on silly restrictions like that

[lean marten]

that seems wrong

link?

[balmy condor]

no

that's correct

sim CLF's at 0

it just doesn't work that way irl

[lean marten]

i thought it just had CLF as pre-existing buff at 0:00

not actually being casted

[runic kiln]

does CLFing at like ~1 on the timer and then stealth+potting not dick over your prepot? the dumbass elemental wont start the fight?

[balmy condor]

that's the timing part

its so minor

don't bother

[runic kiln]

seems relatively un-worth relative to just CLFing with vend

[strange python]

thats one of the reasons people still use blood

cba fucking with clf

[balmy condor]

like we're talking less than 200 dps

to precast

seriously

just don't

[normal olive]

[strange python]

fuckin grats

[balmy condor]

pawn

[normal olive]

Blizzard finnaly giving me something

[balmy condor]

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

gratz tho

[runic kiln]

a useful item from cache?

youre lying

[normal olive]

[strange python]

now navi openers will do more damage!

[lean marten]

just in time to replace with an exped on the 11th

[normal olive]

got 2 exp 3 and 2 exp 2 in my bags

so i can swap right away

[lean marten]

ayyy

[normal olive]

now i need to farm WS tho ._.

[spice spire]

Can’t wait to see these openers

[opal escarp]

Hey guys this may be a dumb question, but is there a way I can copy someone elses UI completely?

[balmy condor]

yes

[opal escarp]

Like just put their UI into my folder and have everything already set up with keybinds etc

[balmy condor]

uh

[lean marten]

if u copy their Interface and WTF folder

[balmy condor]

that might not work

well

[strange python]

uhhh

keybinds no

[balmy condor]

yeah

[strange python]

don't use other people's keybinds though

[normal olive]

Well keybinds are pretty easy to do

[balmy condor]

there's settings that link to account

but its close enough

if you copy the folders

[opal escarp]

I'm just coming back to the game after like 4 years and I don't want to spend a few hours setting up a UI basically haha

[strange python]

u can copy ui

[balmy condor]

there's elvui presets and weakauras

[lean marten]

elvui is pretty plug n play

[strange python]

not keybinds

[balmy condor]

just do that

[opal escarp]

Any ones that are recommended from elvui?

for rogue*

[balmy condor]

elvui doesn't matter on class

[lean marten]

elvui is a whole UI package. for WA rogue interface I'd use Afenar's

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

there's tank/healer elvui presets

probably don't want those

but most elvui presets are dps/general use

[opal escarp]

I'm familiar with elvui, it's been around for a while. Haven't heard of WA though?

[lean marten]

the elvui install step guide makes it ez takes 30s after u log in

WA = weakauras