assassination

[uncut schooner]

But I won't be too downhearted if I don't get it.

[fleet whale]

My guild wanted to raid mythic and we started and killed the freebe bosses

but a lot of players suddenly just took a break for sl

[oblique lark]

@desert canyon https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sx8tgotV5NUbyTRsRMrKtF, u can check crit build in guide ..

[uncut schooner]

I can't speak for others in our guild anyhow, I feel like we're all decent players with the exception of myself.

I still have several areas to work on.

[desert canyon]

@oblique lark thank you. the 'old' 450 trinkets seem to be important to this build. Im at 60% but i guess i dont have enough strikethroughs yet

[oblique lark]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2j7sSArwaw8o46bbeuBaSp trinkets sims 🙂

[uncut schooner]

Too good 4 me.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mhaNfFT4t8TSZgYuWxqwFC

Don't mind me and my casual numbers.

[desert canyon]

there is no way to see stat percentages on raidbots right?

[balmy condor]

full html report

[fleet whale]

and scroll down to stats

but if you are doing top gear sims, you won't be able to see stats 😛

[harsh harbor]

How accurate is dungeon slice for Assas? I know its pretty borked for some specs

[balmy condor]

it works but its small pulls

I usually suggest 5-6 target 1-1:30

[harsh harbor]

thanks

[uncut schooner]

When are you streaming next?

[balmy condor]

me?

[uncut schooner]

Ye

[balmy condor]

probably next week for push

[fleet whale]

wow, this channel has changed

last year dungeon slice was forbidden on this channel

[balmy condor]

well

it was always fine but it just wasn't a great model imo

[oblique lark]

u cant sim m+ for assa

[balmy condor]

well in all technicality you can't sim m+ for anything

[oblique lark]

aoe apl too bad

[balmy condor]

if we're going to do that

[uncut schooner]

Does dungeon slice just not work correctly or something.

I've never really used it tbh.

[oblique lark]

u can check full html after

[balmy condor]

the aoe apl is definitely awkward

dungeon slice works correctly

but its just really hard to model it

[oblique lark]

No, it's just that nobody needs it

I was fixing apl for 6+ targets for assa, but it's rly hard with actual apl

too much linked condition with empowered garrotes/exs

[uncut schooner]

People: Talk code, Biscuit: Haha numbers go brrrr

[slate shore]

Any tips to what i need to upgrade?https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wfKnoHopLvyWgjpDogTEE2

[balmy condor]

cloak, corruptions, drop lucid eventually

more than 1 socket

[oblique lark]

he doesnt have enought haste for swap lucid to void

[red plaza]

Hence the eventually

[balmy condor]

EVENTUALLY

[oblique lark]

ye sry)

just need swap all TA for Exp, gems, gcb and EVENTUALLY ye)

[balmy condor]

:P

[slate shore]

yeah for exp i wait to buy the tier 3 next week

and gem i farm vision x)

[uncut schooner]

Btw, Whisp remember when you did that gear sim for me that showed me what I should be aiming to obtain?

[balmy condor]

sure

[uncut schooner]

How do I run those.

[balmy condor]

that sounds like something I do

gear compare

and then you can copy the item data into your bags

and run a top gear sim from it

[night cypress]

Hey y'all I'm finding it really wonky using cds for exsang build, any tips? Feels like everything is always offset by 15 sec

[balmy condor]

opener, exsang at 50, exsang at 1:35, exsang at 2:20

hold bote and vendetta to line up with vanish/exsang

[night cypress]

Do I just gcb on opener and then on cd

[balmy condor]

yeah

[night cypress]

And then 3rd with vendetta

[balmy condor]

as long as every odd cast is before exsang

you need to be in it for exsang

[night cypress]

Ye

Also blood is what, 100 sec CD?

Or is it 90

[slate shore]

why sim are Up when i switch 2 haste for 2 crit/mastery oO

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vvUwcjovvf1yYVHCEqDfA3

[balmy condor]

1:30

[night cypress]

Your haste might be too high @slate shore

The Russian guide shows fall-off after ~72% resting

W/ nav and food etc

[cyan bone]

with how much corruption would you guys play in raid?

progress below 40 or below 60?

[balmy condor]

sub 60

if you have to

[cyan bone]

progress nzoth that is

[balmy condor]

go sub 40

[cyan bone]

ok

[dull osprey]

Should I be popping BotE on CD or wait the 30 sec to line it up with vend?

[cyan bone]

wait 30 sec

[dull osprey]

kill

[strange python]

@balmy condor So it's still trash but quite better than outlaw. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iBWKcfzrCdX9uXGUZrdzb8

No I just go farm what I need and wait for Expedience.

[toxic ravine]

Whats the deal with your corruption buffs

Infinity stars versatile 3 surging vitality

Isnt it better to go all gushing wounds

[balmy condor]

It’s an rng System with rng drops

[toxic ravine]

Cant you take away the corruption and then put in one you want

[balmy condor]

Sure

But why would you buy gushings right now

When you can buy expedients soon

[sour wraith]

pvp

[toxic ravine]

Aw whats expedients

[balmy condor]

Wrong channel

[toxic ravine]

Sorry guys im just trying to get my head around this, i was under the assumption gushing wounds is the best

[balmy condor]

It’s best for pvp

And that’s it

[toxic ravine]

Oh

[strange python]

@toxic ravine literally it was an alt and I didn't worry about it much.

[toxic ravine]

So whats best for pve

[balmy condor]

Expedients in raid

Severe/strike in m+

[strange python]

Haste...

[balmy condor]

You can run expedients in m+ too

Some people do that cause they can’t be asked to make a second or third gear set

[strange python]

Some how I got Echoing Blades and SS x3 as well.

[balmy condor]

Pog

[strange python]

So no more outlaw madness RtB bs...

@balmy condor btw, there is a chance to get trinket from pvp 460. Any suggestions?

[balmy condor]

The plumage wannabe

[strange python]

Oki.

Than I'm gonna try Raden and Wrathion tomorrow.

Is Ashveine still worth to get? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

No

It’s usable, but I wouldn’t go out to farm it

[strange python]

What about m+ trinkets? Dice and Golden Serpet's one?

[balmy condor]

Spyglass + dice/plumage usually the go to

[strange python]

Hm. I will try to go 14s for it whole week I guess. Is there a CD on loot resets daily?

[balmy condor]

No

It’s just rng every run

I spammed 6 shrines in a single day to get my ring

[void pecan]

those are rookie numbers.

[strange python]

Noice. I can do that.

imagine not getting ring on first shrine

[normal olive]

Pls no ring talk

[balmy condor]

:( I got overclock before I got shrine ring

[strange python]

ok no

I did 16 of each

for rings

in 2 days xd

[balmy condor]

Yuck

[strange python]

@void pecan it's numbers of guy, who had arms 100k and wasted time on this dumb spec and class.

[void pecan]

y you do this to yourself

[strange python]

but whispyr what took me the longest was to farm all the glimpses

[balmy condor]

Aight I’m gonna go do literally anything else

[strange python]

why dont u farm glimpses? really underrated

u can sim half your normal dps!

[balmy condor]

Seems pretty rated to me

[strange python]

venom rush glimpse new meta

[balmy condor]

All of our damage is empowered garrotes

So let’s stack IF for vanish cd

[strange python]

no no no

u wait for glimpse proc

then press vanish!

[balmy condor]

Genius

[strange python]

ikr

27 sec of the cd

who the fuck thought of glimpse though

just a shit IT xd

[balmy condor]

Lines up with vop minor and blood

That’s hype

[toxic ravine]

Whats the best spec for pve

M+ and raid

[balmy condor]

Sin for raid outlaw for m+

Sin is good in m+ though

[toxic ravine]

Ok ty

[balmy condor]

A lot better in m+ than outlaw is in raid at least

[toxic ravine]

K so if you dont want to make a second set, sin prolly better overall ?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[normal olive]

You could just play sub to train for SL

[balmy condor]

Sin is actually pumping in raids atm I think

[normal olive]

Probably because we got legendarys

[balmy condor]

But hard to tell cause bone spike is a fucking mess

[normal olive]

unlike outlaw and sub

[balmy condor]

That too

[fleet whale]

tune bonespike now

so it doesn't bite in the ass when SL launches

[strange python]

What's up with bonespike?

[fleet whale]

it does too much damage

[strange python]

Nerf is coming.

And it's basicaly only one useful covenant right?

[fleet whale]

night fae looks promising

and slaughter hopefully is changed

[strange python]

I just want to get something that will be versatile for pve and pvp.

bonespike

Cz unlikely warrior has mess with all covenants depending on what part of content, what spec and role...

[fleet whale]

maldraxxus just looks like it would smell really bad

i don't want to hang out in that smelly place

[strange python]

maldraxxus looks sick imo

or alteast the mounts 🙂

But set...

well all leather sets looks to have plate boots

That's why I probably stay in my ToS m tier.

all covenant sets look bad though

except mby venthyr

but ye slaughter

Welp, I'm playing human and I'm too limited with choice.

[normal olive]

No Biscuits

[uncut schooner]

Wot.

[normal olive]

Yes

[grim trellis]

is it ok to refresh Exsang bleeds <1 s or let them fall off?

[balmy condor]

let them drop

[quasi hill]

morning folks - i recently startet to equip my rogue to get ready for some 15-20ish m+ . the last thing i knew was that outlaw is the goto for m+.
found several guys on rio that go assass - can it finally compete ? can you recommend assa for m+ ?

[balmy condor]

sin does fine but the loss of gouge and reliance on vanish are the main drawbacks

damage wise its equal, if not better, depending on build

[quasi hill]

hm okay

[balmy condor]

if you're doing 15-20's then you don't need to worry about it

play sin if you enjoy it

[quasi hill]

so if building fresh (sitting at 400ish ilvl) i could try it ? i am bit concerned about farming raden for outlaw fists

[balmy condor]

well, the issue with sin is all the SS/EB azerite comes from vendor

[quasi hill]

nice

quite same shit as farming raden 😉

[normal olive]

worse

[quasi hill]

hrhr

[balmy condor]

so either way you're looking at raid for gear, or vendor rng

but regardless, next week is really the only push week left in the expansion

so If you just leveled your rogue

[drifting cloud]

wot?

[balmy condor]

you're not going to gear this expac anyway

[quasi hill]

okay so do whats fun

[balmy condor]

yep

[drifting cloud]

whole rotation is what like 12 weeks, surely atleast 1 good set will come up before prepatch

[normal olive]

Don't we have a few months left?

[balmy condor]

prepatch is in about 2 months, probably less than that

this is rotation

[quasi hill]

assuming release is in november

[normal olive]

SL could release in december

[balmy condor]

so we have next week push
2. tyran, dead
3. teeming, decent
4. tyran ded
5. bolster/griev, not really
6. tyran ded
7. sang griev, possibly last week before prepatch
8. tyran ded
9. bolster skittish, not enough time
10. t y r an i c a l

[quasi hill]

anyone of you tried assa or outlaw in beta ?

[drifting cloud]

bolster skittish isnt dead 😛

[quasi hill]

coming from arms warrior and willing to switch to rogue - due to lack of survival cds 😛

[balmy condor]

bolster skittish is definitely not something you're looking for though

and thats 9 weeks in

[normal olive]

you can do 15-20s every week

[balmy condor]

when best estimates for prepatch are 7 weeks out

[normal olive]

even if it's a bad week

[drifting cloud]

the 30s timed are on bolster skittish 😄

but yeah high chance prepatch is before it

[balmy condor]

yeah

I mean its still fine

its not awful

but you get the idea

there's not a lot left

you'll see 30's next week and then what

[gleaming prism]

What essences do we like to run in mythic+? I'm exsang build

[balmy condor]

bote major, strife breath lucid minor

if you have enough haste

swap lucid for iris or pp minor

usually iris

[gleaming prism]

Awesome, thank you whispyr!

[balmy condor]

np

[normal olive]

you said pp

[balmy condor]

yeah, minor pp

major pp is really bad

[normal olive]

[vital haven]

gallywix am i right bois

[void pecan]

[normal olive]

wat

[vital haven]

racist blizz

[balmy condor]

gallywix boosting community burning to the ground atm

[normal olive]

lul

[balmy condor]

but also #wow-general

no fun allowed here

[normal olive]

I want some juicy drama

[vital haven]

i hate navi's openers

there is your drama

[normal olive]

Nah that's nothing drama worthy

that's common sense

[balmy condor]

yeah that's not even a hot take

that's the hot truth we all need to hear sometimes

[normal olive]

I could farm mechagon rings on my rogue

but i could also run around on classic as lvl 2 in ungoro krater

[arctic walrus]

[normal olive]

I hate m+

[balmy condor]

[normal olive]

it's 6am and i'm bored

[harsh sphinx]

[runic kiln]

rough life trying to guild jump when rogues are this low in demand =\

[balmy condor]

yeah happens but should be easy to find a guild for shadowlands

lot of guilds going to start recruiting soon

[runic kiln]

yeah, came back ~6 weeks ago and dont think ill be able to do enough jumps to get CE this tier

[balmy condor]

yeah that might be rough

[runic kiln]

at least not since my logs are timegated by corruption vendor rotations 💩

[fallow otter]

What amount of clear is your current guild

[normal olive]

Imagine having a guild

[fallow otter]

Awwww

[balmy condor]

Imagine having a guild that doesn’t fall apart

[normal olive]

[fallow otter]

[solar latch]

is it ilvl over stats? for gear or something else

[void pecan]

Yeh

Up to a certain point

[balmy condor]

It’s more nuanced than that

But Id say up to like 450 or 460 just ilvl

[solar latch]

also today i found out i've had the wrong rings for weeks

[balmy condor]

And then you gotta worry about stats

[solar latch]

they just look the same the ones from mechagon

[balmy condor]

All bit bands and logic loops have the same icon

[solar latch]

sad part is i put corruption on it on the last vendor

[balmy condor]

Oh my god

[solar latch]

damn

[balmy condor]

I was expecting like recursion

Or zap

But that’s actually awful lmao

[solar latch]

and here i was hyped that i got a drop on junkyard and workshop

its awful

[normal olive]

That's worse then not having them at all

[solar latch]

and i dont think any of my other rings sim better cause it has corruption on it

[balmy condor]

Yeah probably is tbh

[vale spruce]

RIP

[solar latch]

2 rank 3 expedients down the drain

[balmy condor]

Well

An expedient and a honed mind

[solar latch]

oh yea it is honed mind and expedient 2

rest should be rank 3 exp

I have 21k echoes saved up so far when the reset happens I should be around 25k I thought I was going to complete my corruption this week but I might need to farm 10k more when i get better rings

[balmy condor]

So you actually wasted more echoe than just 2 exped

So it’s actually worse

[solar latch]

😭

[normal olive]

Who needs rings or corruption, when you can just do random shit in wow

[solar latch]

is there a gear set sim someone has

[normal olive]

Making a new char and walking into max lvl areas to sell stones for example

[solar latch]

exsang + CT one

[balmy condor]

Ping raz

[solar latch]

aw man

[balmy condor]

I have a bunch in my history but I’m not at my pc lmao

There’s nothing super special about them tbh

[fallow otter]

You just want an example sim?

is there a gear set sim someone has
@solar latch https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gprFLzEtLTs69iq2kFYFSm

[balmy condor]

Missing a socket on the galecallers

Send it back

[solar latch]

oh no no no

[fallow otter]

Im lazy to do visions, cbf

I've got like 18k so 2 runs but I just can't be bothered

Fuck blizzard

[prime wraith]

what is most recommended as Assassination rogue to raid as race to Exsanguinate build on horde ?

[patent topaz]

doesnt matter, play what looks good

[young pebble]

After my initial SS opener Garrote -> Rupture -> Garrote -> Vendetta -> Toxic Blade, when do I want to recast rupture to gain the Vendetta?

[patent topaz]

you use TB with SS?

[young pebble]

My azerite has 2x Double Dose 2x SS yes

[fallow otter]

Can you link us a topgear sim?

[patent topaz]

thats kinda weird though, 3 cp rupture should run out about the time TB debuff ends, right?

never played this scuffed combo

[lost horizon]

nah it doesn't

[young pebble]

I mean generally do I just want to dump a 5CP rupture in the boss as close as to the end of Vendetta as possible?

[lost horizon]

there's no snapshotting

[patent topaz]

just get full uptime on rupture

[lost horizon]

only things that snapshot are nightstalker, subterfuge, shrouded suffocation, and exsang

[young pebble]

Hmm I see. So what about vanishing and re-applying 2x SS empowered garrote before Vendetta finishes? Is that something I should be trying to do?

[lost horizon]

no

vendetta doesn't snapshot

[fallow otter]

If you can link a sim we can look at gearing options, so that we can point you to a solid rotation

[lost horizon]

vendetta applies the damage increase dynamically

[young pebble]

Sure thing Stunk, one moment.

Here we are: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uKgzCxt6DkSMEYqz2KvXbU

One option is also rerolling SS from my Gorak Tul to DD

If SS is just scuffed for my build anyway

[fallow otter]

Im fixing it up for you, your gear is fine I think

There is a how to play the spec in pins

That's 3min I'll do 5min now

There that's a better one

I can get more I think, doing one last one on 5mins

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s9LqbZ1zfUxxnoLHEBWwa5

Ok there you go, pretty good sim

https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-exsanguinate/

[young pebble]

Looks great. I do have a 475 Fluid Machinations helm I didn't include since it went over sim cap, but looks like that one's ideal as well with NP and SS

[fallow otter]

There is the how to

[young pebble]

Very interesting setup

[fallow otter]

Nah no NP

Use the gear in the latest link, I'll delete the others

You have great Azerite for the spec, obv want mythic if you have access to it

Try get the trinket from shrine or kr

Be a nice boost

[young pebble]

Galecallers and what's from KR?

[normal olive]

Plumage

[low girder]

i was desperately trying to figure out why your sim was so much higher than mine

and then realized you set at 3m

lmao

was like wtf 1 extra expedient is not 15k what am i missing

[fallow otter]

The last one is 5m

[low girder]

yeah, meant yours

[fallow otter]

Yeah mine is default 3min coz of our kill times these days

[low girder]

ye

[fallow otter]

Aboot just got a mega gear upgrade

If I was him I would be switching shit so fast and then learning new rotation

👍

[young pebble]

I just went into a 5 mask with this new build and it's absolutely incredible how much quicker things are dying with 3x SS and exsang just by itself

Question - the google guide says Vigor and DS are interchangeable... is that your experience?

[balmy condor]

DS + exsang always together

I’ve never seen anyone sim higher with vigor exsang

Vigor is basically just a crutch for low haste levels tbh

[wary kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s7McWnYYjzNZj3nbaD2kWU

is there any reason my sim is wanting me to put agility gems in

I can understand crit gems but I asuumed it would rather mastery or haste gems tbh

[balmy condor]

Cause agi gem is pretty okay

Also those are all side grades

And within like 50 dps

So it’s actually just irrelevant

[wary kelp]

yeah I mean its not a big deal

I just didnt know if it was something specific

since the subs usually scale better with corruptions

and I rarely see anyone with mainstat gems

[drifting cloud]

yeah they do, if you arent a rogue

[shrewd night]

Wait

So

If you are NE night fae

You extend empowered SS how long??

[normal olive]

you have 4 restealths with night fae + NE

if they keep the old ability

[shrewd night]

[normal olive]

2 from Night Fae, 1 From NE and Vanish

[shrewd night]

Bro.

[fallow otter]

Ew

[normal olive]

Dunno if the restealth form the mobility counts towards subterfudge counts

[shrewd night]

Thats like

More than a solid minute with empowered garrote

fat lmaos in chat if it works

[normal olive]

Could be fun yeah

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge all expansion

[fallow otter]

Hi guys I'm a warlock now

[sullen pagoda]

but no SS so not that hype unlucky

[balmy condor]

I bet you’ll feel really stupid when they announce SS as a conduit

All of our legendaries are old, why not our conduits too right

[sullen pagoda]

thats what i was predicting actually to why "difference in swapping specs" might be much higher than people think

if they bring some conduits and shit that are must for certain spec meta build

and u dont have it as for example sub main

ur assa is done

[balmy condor]

Just don’t play more than 1 spec

4head

But the conduits are library system right

[sullen pagoda]

my heart is telling me to go sub

[balmy condor]

So you should be able to swap

[sullen pagoda]

but my brain knows

assa will be meta

im not sure ngl

[balmy condor]

No like they announced its gonna be like essences

[low girder]

1 week cd on swapping

bad but not "can't ever reroll" bad

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s kinda weirdchamp

[shrewd night]

I mean

[balmy condor]

Yeah exactly

[shrewd night]

You can just be another covenant tree with the other spec

"just"

[low girder]

if they get the tuning right

which uh

[sullen pagoda]

arent those soulbinds

or

[low girder]

not confident

[sullen pagoda]

too many new terms

[low girder]

soulbinds are where the conduits go

think of soulbinds being your artifact

and conduits being relics

same thing really

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Soulbinds are heart, conduits are essences

So you could in theory have 3 soulbinds

One for each spec

[low girder]

just depends if the soulbinds are crazy +/- 10%

[balmy condor]

Yeah

At least the slots are normalized

[low girder]

i think by release they'll be watered down to nothing tbh

because they'll figure out they can't balance them and make them any different

[balmy condor]

That doesn’t sound very blizz

[low girder]

lol

they seem headed that way

[uncut schooner]

Morning.

[balmy condor]

My gallywix money is on them not being able to balance it and shipping anyway

[low girder]

ok maybe not by release

maybe 9.1

[balmy condor]

And then the week long cd on swapping will hit the fan

[uncut schooner]

How goes everyone this fine morning.

[balmy condor]

It’s 2am

Wdym morning

[uncut schooner]

10am here.

I'm 8 hours ahead of you lol

[low girder]

and then 9.3 we'll swap with no cd and have swappable covenant abilities, but have some other dumb corruption-style thing

calling it

[shrewd night]

The only way you get fuckered is if the specs want the same tree

Which lets be honest, will happen

[balmy condor]

Oh definitely

[low girder]

odds are high for us pures

😦

[uncut schooner]

Tbh I thought the same thing the moment I saw the soulbind trees.

"This is 100% going to overlap with other specs."

Kind of why I shat myself when I read that conduits would also be destructable.

[balmy condor]

Also imagine being in the UK

[shrewd night]

@balmy condor laughs in considering nonpure

[balmy condor]

UTC+1

[uncut schooner]

UK is a good place.

[balmy condor]

Hey man, if sub is good I’m jumping ship

This channel needs to find another bookworm

[uncut schooner]

I don't think I'd mind learning Sub tbh.

[low girder]

i'll play whatever is good, i like all 3 for different reasons

kinda sick of sin though

[uncut schooner]

Let me rephrase that, I don't mind Whispyr teaching me Sub.

[balmy condor]

They have fuu and scathic

They don’t need me

[shrewd night]

Ill hate sub if gloomblade aint it

[low girder]

lol

[shrewd night]

imagine positioning requirements in 2020

[low girder]

just don't make me be necrolord, nerf bone spike pls

[uncut schooner]

I mean depending on how things shaped out I half expected to either be doing Assa/Sub for raid and Outlaw for M+

But with current tuning it seems like Sub is excelling in both?

[balmy condor]

Bone spike is excelling in both

[shrewd night]

Cant be anything but superficial until idk, a week before launch. And even then Ill keep up two chars to save my ass if heroic tuning dumpsters a class.

[bronze aurora]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nBrZDcx2rx7GiJiqRdPBfA

[low girder]

i want my 4 stealths to be good

[bronze aurora]

is my haste still too low?

[low girder]

pls

[uncut schooner]

Yeah I watched a streamer yesterday who mains rogue and I remember he logged onto his shaman to do some testing on a dummy.

And some rogue who logged off still had his bonespikes ticking.

On a training dummy.

[shrewd night]

Technically speaking right

Oh wait no, the charges have a timer

duh

Imagine bonespiking target dummies and being permanently out of charges

[uncut schooner]

Literally just annoy everyone on the beta, bonespike all the training dummies and log off for the day. Won't stop ticking until they die.

[balmy condor]

I heard a story from a guy that went to org, put it on a dummy, did 3 m+, logged out, raid tested, logged out, and when he logged in the bleed was still on that org dummy

Can’t verify

But infinite duration dots have NEVER gone wrong

[uncut schooner]

2 expansions later

Legend has it that training dummy is still ticking dot damage to this day.

[low girder]

'we've decided to remove the infinite duration of bone spike because it was literally lagging the servers"

[uncut schooner]

It's a pretty hilarious design not going to lie.

[balmy condor]

@bronze aurora 66% is kinda low but nothing super low, people have higher but it’s definitely fine

[bronze aurora]

should probably drop that gusher

for r2 exp?

[balmy condor]

There was an infinite dot during legion testing

[shrewd night]

"its kinda low" "but its fine"

[balmy condor]

And it literally was ticking FOREVER

[bronze aurora]

and cara dagger LMAO

[balmy condor]

And so they removed it

You can gear compare those to see if it’s worth

Also @shrewd night I’m not known for having good words okay man leave me alone

[shrewd night]

To see if a 10 itemlevel upgrade is worth in mainhand?

Bro, Im on a roll. Im hangry af.

[balmy condor]

To see if GW > exped2

[shrewd night]

Oh yeah, that makes sense

[balmy condor]

I’m getting cyber bullied by an orange guy

[shrewd night]

Colorblind as well, whos ever seen a orange koffing

[low girder]

on a 475 with 66% haste it prolly will be

not up for a while though

[balmy condor]

Bruh

[low girder]

couple weeks

[uncut schooner]

Imagine some Outlaw rogue in the Assassination channel.

Be gone filth.

[balmy condor]

Those are yellow

@shrewd night that reminds me, are the potions red, pink or rogue

Sorry, rouge

[shrewd night]

Dont even

[uncut schooner]

Are haste/mast pieces a mistake.

[balmy condor]

I see you’re more of a fuschia kind of guy

Haste mast is fine

[low girder]

no, they're fine

[shrewd night]

The only mistake is vers

[balmy condor]

The only mistake is me

[shrewd night]

tru

[low girder]

until your sims tell you gem vers

[somber bison]

[low girder]

D:

[uncut schooner]

The only mistake is @normal olive

Tbh.

[low girder]

damn

[balmy condor]

Navi is a well valued member of the theorycrafting community

[shrewd night]

shut yo ass up

[balmy condor]

Everything he finds, they don’t have to waste iterations on

[shrewd night]

navi - the pk king

[uncut schooner]

So long as Navi is here I have a punching bag to redirect people to when my logs are bad.

"I could be worse, I could be Navi."

[balmy condor]

He’s a good guy tho

[shrewd night]

aight, lunch brb

[balmy condor]

LUNCH

[uncut schooner]

A necessary sacrifice.

[balmy condor]

All these EU clowns in my fkin discord man wtf

[uncut schooner]

Imagine eating food.

Don't you have daily quests to do or something.

[low girder]

imagine not being a degen and still up at 5:30

[uncut schooner]

Don't speak to Whispyr like that.

[balmy condor]

It’s 2:30 and my phone still has 27%

[low girder]

nah that's me, it's early for him still

[balmy condor]

Thank you very much

But I am a degen

A proud degen

The worst kind

Anime pfp and all

[low girder]

F

[uncut schooner]

I work 48 hours a week, lack a social life and spend my days off playing WoW.

[balmy condor]

Pog

[uncut schooner]

At least I shower I guess.

[bronze aurora]

bruh i've been playing sin in m+ too... i've seen the light 😦

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[uncut schooner]

I find Sin is p. fun in both raids and m+, though I am looking forward to SL just to change things up a bit.

[sullen pagoda]

weebs out

[uncut schooner]

I probs shouldn't say it but 3 months of nothing but Sin rogue does get a bit tedious, want to try the other specs too.

Don't hurt me pls

[drifting cloud]

were all boomers that cant wait to get back to 35 apm in sl

or less

[low girder]

it was a fun distraction

[balmy condor]

@dire spoke might be able to click properly at 35 apm

[low girder]

but i've been sin for 2 years in raids outside of the odd outlaw fight

ready for new

i think i'm gonna hit the duration cap on raidbots, all i'm doing is simming gems qq

[uncut schooner]

I do enjoy Sin in raids, but in m+ I'd like something fresh like Outlaw or Sub (since both seem decent despite the whole bonespike shenanigans).

[balmy condor]

Outlaw

We don’t about yellow

It used to be combat, we used to be brothers

[uncut schooner]

Combat rouge sorry.

I don't mind the pirate theme too much, I still think it makes sense.

[dire spoke]

I might consider like two additional keybinds for sub

everything else is within margin error for me

[balmy condor]

Keybinds in 2020

[dire spoke]

right

[uncut schooner]

Don't think I could play rogue if it wasnt for the buttons on my mouse tbh.

[dire spoke]

sure

[balmy condor]

You see, zempai does that, but he only needs one button on his mouse

It’s the same thing, just less buttons

[dire spoke]

[shut garnet]

mouse button andy

[dire spoke]

I never tried to force and learn/get used to full binds, just added some when I felt like

like

when I left world3000 and joined 300ish, I did this Varimathras job where you get knocked back

that's when I started binding shadowstep

I still have a clip of that nasty combo that could happen knockback plus debuff

https://www.twitch.tv/simonderdude/clip/IronicResoluteCrocodileWOOP

[fallow otter]

i just got aids watching this clicker

RIP me

[uncut schooner]

That hurt my soul.

Thanks.

[fallow otter]

lol its @dire spoke !

plz bind keys brooo plzzzzzzz

[dire spoke]

no shit

follow me on twitch share with your friends, keep pinging me ty

isn't 35 apm higher than the current?

[balmy condor]

Imagine not being gcd locked

[dire spoke]

how many finishers more do we have since going into 70 haste

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/britney-spears-yikes-gross-disgusting-yuck-gif-3957183

how can you play like that

[dire spoke]

I binded garrot meanwhile, I'm fine now

🙂

[balmy condor]

Man feels good not being the one getting dragged in this channel

[ebon ocean]

what option should i be selecting to sim for aoe M+ situations? dungeon slice or

[balmy condor]

5-6 target 1-1:30 min imo

Dungeon slice is fine, I just don’t like it

I’m obligated to say dungeon slice is fine, koji has a gun to my head when I mention it

Simming aoe is pretty janky though

[ebon ocean]

yeah i'd imagine so, thanks tho :]

having no luck getting ss + fok on the same pieces

[balmy condor]

Yeah kinda blows

[fossil slate]

In Sin opener with exsang build, should you garrote>rup>garrote> and always muti to 6cp for the next rupture? (not taking CT)

[balmy condor]

Yes

You can do vend mut rup at 5 as well it’s pretty minor iirc

[fossil slate]

So you're not really losing out on much if you do force that extra muti to go with 6cp

[balmy condor]

I think it’s a very minor gain to 6cp

[fossil slate]

cool cool

[quasi pewter]

ahh what the fuck

@dire spoke

[dire spoke]

amazed that this is still new for some people here

@lone junco tell them how awesome I am

[lone junco]

Wot

It's true

Small brain: lol he clicks

Big brain:. Wait wtf. watching the twitch and that mouse is a blur. Pulling 99% and blasting. Click away my man.

[dire spoke]

lmfao

[lone junco]

I actually lolled when I watched it.

[pseudo hamlet]

It's 2020 and people still care if other players are clickers even if they do fine?

[dire spoke]

it could be a 100

[quasi pewter]

yes i hate zempai now

[dire spoke]

nein bitte

[lone junco]

See that sort of metric only works if the person is inexplicably bad.

[dire spoke]

lol wat

[shrewd night]

See. If clicker gets 99s. And you as a nonclicker gets 95s. WHO IS THE BIG BRAIN?

[lone junco]

And if someone is like. Yeah I click and is grey parse. Then you punch them in the dick.

[west gyro]

parsing in 2020...

[lone junco]

See before corruption, rotation mattered.

Cause that dog shit parse on shad was like 83k rogue. With 15 tendy procs.

Yay rank 1

[strange python]

i have better logs with 39 than simpai with 59

[lone junco]

But yeah. Clicking is a meme until it isn't.

[strange python]

makes you think

[dire spoke]

I'm not that old

[lone junco]

Maybe. But kill times matter. And meme 2h strats help.

[dire spoke]

Just play with one healer less on every boss

🧠

[strange python]

imagine not playing with touchpad

[lone junco]

I have used my desk top for the past 15 years. Rubbing the finish off. But it's still good.

[strange python]

Ima dum dumb

I meant touchpad

[dire spoke]

lol

[strange python]

Imagine not clicking abilites with a touchpad

now that is big brain

[lone junco]

The idea of healing as a clicker does make me lol though.

Mouse flapping all over the place for no good reason. Just so you can press 111111111111111

[dire spoke]

basically holy priest right now

well soon we all convert to sub so enjoy your easy mode

[lone junco]

When Ineffable proc get rolling during wings, I press holy shock 15x in a row.

Good spec.

[celest ruin]

should i use ttk instead of dagger in the back even with ct?

[dull crypt]

@fossil slate i would eventually look at playing with CT though, it looks like a lot of work putting an extra ability in the rotation (i waited a week before adding ct) but you get used to it very quickly and its pretty OP and more reliable in cleave aswell

[strange python]

@celest ruin u take what sims higher

[verbal sparrow]

You'll get used to CT extremely fast

I was wondeing aswell if it's gonna be messed up

but it's just another bleed to keep up

instead one envenom you just refresh ct

[fossil slate]

@fossil slate i would eventually look at playing with CT though, it looks like a lot of work putting an extra ability in the rotation (i waited a week before adding ct) but you get used to it very quickly and its pretty OP and more reliable in cleave aswell
@dull crypt
It's not about not using CT from choice, it was about not having the haste for it

[verbal sparrow]

you need to have like.. at least 60% haste to sim CT better ? not sure, I've just bought 7 expedients the second week and it immediately simmed better

[dire spoke]

On August 22nd my raid gear finally will be done 😂 👌

ready for prepatch just to delete everything 😂 👌

[verbal sparrow]

however it sounds, I quite like this patch

[heavy forum]

When is gush back up?

[dire spoke]

https://corruptionvendor.com/

[verbal sparrow]

is there any like m+ corruption guide ?

seen a few times someone talking about severe + strikethroughetc

[dire spoke]

There is a small section in the pinned googledoc

very much depends on your duty, key level and dungeon

but yeah, dropping some haste for crit is a good rule of thumb way to go for everything except high tyrannical

[runic kiln]

is sub looking that much better than sin? the upkeep on sin in sl looks brutally unfun

[dire spoke]

We'll have to wait until we got all powers and talents 🙂

[silent crescent]

Bet there will be some conduits that end up favoring sin heavily, such as anything bleed or poison related

Which can be justified since all have access to bleed and poison now

[lone junco]

unless the poison stuff doesnt actually get buffed with mastery or Master Poisoner. Just like bleeds from tier 20? werent actually bleeds.

[warm sparrow]

hi, is there a crit soft cap?

[strange python]

34% is a MUST

lol

[vast forum]

i think you have to give a proper answer before you go into meming 😄

also, ofc there is a crit cap

it's 100%

[crimson palm]

memes aside with the bis setup this week im at 34% crit

[dire spoke]

33,4% I need a socket 😰

u n p l a y a b l e

[young vessel]

32% crit is enough

31 even

[strange python]

no

need 34

no 🧢

[young vessel]

em

ok so ill just keep doing my top20 logs with 31 lol xd

[strange python]

This is unplayable

can't believe it

[young vessel]

[strange python]

cursed

[warm sparrow]

hard to know to learn and what to follow with such a strong trolling presence

[dire spoke]

Nothing to learn really in end of content, get an item and sim. If you're looking to farm something check your weights or use droptimizer

[vast forum]

learn 1 thing: there are no caps

always sim

[devout fiber]

For Pve gear

I was following the stat prioirty

it says to get 35% crit

Should I just be simming my gear instead

to see what gives me most dps?

I'm told for pvp 5% versatility wouldn't be enough

[dire spoke]

it says to get 35% crit
where

[devout fiber]

for mythics

[shut garnet]

that's a little more complicated

what azerite traits have you got available for m+

[devout fiber]

Uhh how can I show you?

[shut garnet]

do you have 3 shrouded 3echoing?

[devout fiber]

2 shrouded 1 echoing

I have a nothing personal and a twist knife and double dose

as the other 3

[shut garnet]

[devout fiber]

Yeah a bit random

It's because I also like to PvP

so i don't really specialise my gear

[lean marten]

m+ crit is for stacking EB & crit corruptions

thats hella misleading for the article to say that

those are diff builds with diff traits

Haste+Expedients+SS traits is a good all-rounder for all content

prolly best for u

prolly falls off hardest in pvp

[devout fiber]

Expedients?

[royal lantern]

haste % corruption

[lean marten]

Expedient corruptions give u %haste bonuses

[devout fiber]

ahhh

Right right so

if i were to sim my gear

would that be simming for PVE content?

[tiny gyro]

can gushing be any good for pve ?

[lean marten]

yes

for pve

GW isn't bis but good placeholder

[tiny gyro]

interesting okay thank you!

[dire spoke]

you still have to distinguish between pve boss scenarios or dungeons when you thinking about simulations of your output

rule X isn't just correct for everything

[strange python]

Well gang seems like I'm going to be running Mech over and over and over and over again today to get my rings

Nothing I can do sims higher than those damn rings

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hSrU7cGzEJDUBTBNC63pWm

Theoretical highest I can get, sub 40

[median badge]

475 my’das trink this week

[little root]

u have mythic cara dagger but not raden helm or vita?

[strange python]

Yup. Just joined new guild, they sat me for Ra den but brought me on Cara for some reason

Pretty stoked about getting cara dagger on first kill

[lean marten]

u got a daggy on ur first cara

hate u

[strange python]

Hopefully I'll get in on Ra den this week but yeah, that's what Im' working with minus the rings

[devout fiber]

Wait

Gushing wounds is supposed ot be on mother?

but I don't see it?

[strange python]

Are you EU?

[devout fiber]

Yeah

[strange python]

For EU it's tomorrow

[devout fiber]

ahhh

as in early morning right

like 1/2am

when the server resets

[strange python]

Nope, at the weekly reset

Server reset is before weekly

[devout fiber]

Ah, also quick question

[strange python]

http://wowreset.com

[devout fiber]

Versatile III is better for pvp

but

expedient III would be better for Pve?

[strange python]

Yes

[devout fiber]

Could you have one of both?

[strange python]

Usually for PvP you'd go gushing Stack though

But versatile is still better than exp in PvP I'd say

Sure you can?

[devout fiber]

So for PvP

I should have one gushing one versatile

What's the cost of these corruptions

i can't see

[strange python]

Gushing is 4125

Vers3 is 5000

[tiny gyro]

Think for pvp you want haste/vers pieces with gushys stacked

[strange python]

But Go to #pvp for those questions

[devout fiber]

Damn

I have 7k right now

[strange python]

Afaik you want pure gushing Stack for PvP, maybe 1 ineff or smth

Well, thats basically nothing :P

[devout fiber]

I think i'm going to be over corrupted

I have tentacle III

which is 66 corruption

so + 40 corruption

[strange python]

Up to 59 corruption is really easy for PvE, and up to 39 for pvp

[devout fiber]

Yeah i'll have like 46 corruption in total

which is no bueno

do i need to purify my dagger?

[strange python]

Idk dude. If its for PvP, Go to #pvp

And if it's for PvE, 46 is fine

[devout fiber]

alright

[strange python]

Stack it until it sims worse

but idk when u would move to crit

probably never

basically yes

Pretty much

Someone needs to make one of those memes with the "always has been" template

[void pecan]

was it infectious

[strange python]

"wait, it's always haste"

"always has been"

yup

https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-battle-for-azeroth-raid-dps/

[void pecan]

there's a google doc too

that does a good summary of pve stuff

[strange python]

It's okay. We were all dumb at some point

[void pecan]

that's why this discord is here

[plucky epoch]

yo does anyone have the stat breakpoints/ ilvl requirements of when bleed build overtakes poison

[patent topaz]

when it sims better

[strange python]

@strange python I'd recommend running heroic ny'alotha or m+ 12 or higher

Preferably 14+

[runic kiln]

Always pop BoTE with opener+vendetta? or save for cleave?

cannot seem to get BoTE to sim above CLF

[twilit latch]

Question: just got Irontide Captain's Hat. In the second ring, there's Twist the Knife and Dagger in the Back. I've not seen the second option really talked about. Is the default still Twist the Knife for assasin? Specifically the Red build?

[runic kiln]

dagger in the back sims okay but its way too unreliable because of the positional requirement. Twist is largely bettter

[strange python]

Twist the Knife is good unless you're using Crimson Tempest

dagger in the bakc sims higher than TTK most of the time

Find a guild that'll just bring you along

Should be pretty easy at this point

Find a casual guild then 🙂

Rogue is fun in Ny'alotha. You can pretty much ignore a ton of mechanics and just tunnel the boss, especially on heroic

[twilit latch]

@runic kiln @strange python @strange python Thanks for the advice! Running sim now, just long queue 😦

[runic kiln]

CLF just keeps beating BoTE for me and i cant figure out why

[strange python]

it does for most

if not everyone

Yeah

[runic kiln]

so why does everyone keep running bote on fights other than hivemind

[strange python]

preference

and mby kill times

[runic kiln]

CLF keeps simming higher than bote even over 1:45 sims

[strange python]

bc that's one cast for both

o.O

[runic kiln]

bote is 130??

same thing at 2:00 and 2:30

[strange python]

can u link a 2 or 2:30 one=

[runic kiln]

heres 3: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jYfZ8bQWfNihR55v5DdH66
heres 2: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kQFfdiYATwsg4T8sR3oKUP

[strange python]

Im all about the clf life

double agi gems

o.O

[runic kiln]

simmed higher too

[strange python]

that is very unlikely

[runic kiln]

i mean it does

that sim was run with gem optimization

[vast forum]

did you check the "always use" box

[strange python]

no but he didnt check the replace one either

[remote oriole]

Can someone who isn't as dense as me re-sim this and try and improve it? Idk really https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iA2jupQcAGsd6k2nQwQZbS

My gear is a bit all over

[vast forum]

bote r2 is shit

[uncut schooner]

^ Really need bote 3

Bote 2 won't even sim higher than breath on ST patchwerk.

[balmy ridge]

Any PVPers in here 😛

[vast forum]

#pvp

[remote oriole]

fuck me

[balmy ridge]

they dont respond Yoppa lol

[remote oriole]

I cba with the pvp farm but if i must, i must

[uncut schooner]

You need bote honestly.

CLF is another good one.

[balmy ridge]

Is it better to run 470 Bis stats with GW or 475 poor stats with GW for PVP?

[uncut schooner]

I also feel like mastery gems are a mistake there, mind sending me your simc string?

[remote oriole]

Surely gemming/enchanting mastery would ruin my haste?

[uncut schooner]

Over pm.

And yeah it probably has.

[remote oriole]

Ye that's what i was thinking, im sure i done it wrong

1 sec

[uncut schooner]

When you've got enough haste stacked thanks to stats+gems+expeds then you'd look at going mast.

But certainly not before.

[static river]

does anyone know of any PVE Rogue coaches? I've seen gaming coaching for other esports before.

[thin cargo]

I feel like there's a whole discord full of them here?

[void pecan]

post logs

someone will comb through them

and tell you what to fix

also use..

wowanalyzer.com

[dull crypt]

isnt whispyr the part time coach here

[strange python]

yes

[balmy condor]

I just woke up dude chill

[strange python]

hahaaa

[vast forum]

@static river if you're talking coaching for gold, i don't think there are any official coaches here

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s not really a thing

[wet ruin]

@void pecan please don't use wowanalyzer

[void pecan]

bad?

[strange python]

yes

[static river]

wow analyzer seems not so great on the nzoth fight, im looking for someone to help break down target prioritization, positioning, things beyond what order to press my buttons in

[balmy condor]

Wowanalyzer is indeed not great on any figh

But what you’re looking for is reading your logs

Not a coach

[strange python]

maybe positioning is more of a coach job though, considering you would have to look at vods

[balmy condor]

And I would honestly suggest you find a video and learn it yourself, it makes you a better player than having someone list mistakes to you for example

Yeah that might be a coach thing

[static river]

a video on reading logs?

[balmy condor]

Like a tutorial

[strange python]

rogue pov's on n'zoth might help aswell

[static river]

yeah i've watched a few, i feel like i am sort of following what they do, but my execution is just not good i guess, and im not sure what im missing.

my boss damage is good , but im barely doing any damage to anything else

[balmy condor]

Are you holding everything for boss phases

[static river]

my opener is basically a garbage cause my target gets melted by the raid, but that lines up my burst rotations for 1st and second burn and the burn before secret

i am only using sang for a couple tendies and once on phsycus

and in general it just feels like all the ads including the exposed synaps melt before i even get have of the dots timer

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’ll probably happen if you have a lot of mages and hunters and locks n shit

[static river]

yeah 2 lock 3 mage 3 hunter lol

[balmy condor]

Seems good lmao

You can always do like a 3cp rupture

But if things die that fast you gotta just forget the bleeds and slam envenoms

[static river]

yeah that's one of the things i was wondering.

[balmy condor]

Rupture damage is consistent across combo points

It just adds duration

So if something dies in 10 seconds, you shouldn’t waste your time setting up a 6cp rupture

[static river]

yeah that makes sense

[balmy condor]

You can just do a low cp rupture that’ll last the duration, or you forget the rupture and just pound the envenom

[sterile valve]

Should i use gushing for pvp?

[balmy condor]

yes

[burnt star]

for the strikethrough build.. outside of opener.. what is the rotation

[balmy condor]

fok x3 finisher

[burnt star]

do i put up toxic blade whenever its down