assassination

[low girder]

you gotta make it more absurd or people believe you

[thorn moth]

legion shoulder lego back

[balmy condor]

well

[fleet whale]

that is coming back

in sl

[balmy condor]

I have news for you

lmao

[thorn moth]

ik i saw hehe

the talent is so sad

like fuckin 2seconds of 100% crit

[normal olive]

I can't read so news don't work on me

[low girder]

i'm excited to probably never take the bracers off

or ring

whatever we end up picking for that slot

[balmy condor]

wdym, you don't like having to use your passive bracers on prog all expac?

[thorn moth]

and the poison execute damage

seems lit too

[normal olive]

We will probably just use the same legendarys we used in legion

[fleet whale]

i quite liked the bracers/mantle combo back in legion

[normal olive]

[low girder]

i didn't take the shoulders off in legion from the time i got them in 7.1 to when i hit 115 in bfa

[fleet whale]

my poisons did sooo much damage

[thorn moth]

yeah it made vanish feel good

[low girder]

that was kinda dumb

[thorn moth]

i think i had insigna and mantle

[fleet whale]

insignia was good in EN

but meh afterwards

[low girder]

and i swapped between all 3 specs lol

[thorn moth]

or claok when i wanted to cheese

cloak on the three boss fight in antorus

cheezy

high command

[low girder]

mantle + cloak was one shotting people in wpvp for a while

that was fun

[fleet whale]

the cloak and hidden blades talent stacked in the pre-patch

[thorn moth]

i loved openers just shooting me to like insane dps

[low girder]

also that

[thorn moth]

Yeah leveling was fun

[fleet whale]

until you got to 115

[balmy condor]

i loved openers just shooting me to like insane dps

[fleet whale]

or 116

[balmy condor]

you mean like we do atm?

:P

[thorn moth]

yes like we do atm

but back in the day i was actually geared

so i was like 4times everyone's dps

[balmy condor]

[fleet whale]

due to vendetta assassination will probably always have good opener dps

[low girder]

no poison bomb in the opener, rip, guys can we wipe

[thorn moth]

in sub it was like

you chilling, and then vanish DFA evisc

and then boom

howdy n.1

[normal olive]

With my openers we allways have good dps openers

[balmy condor]

HFC sub rogue

[thorn moth]

yeah

on maiden

[balmy condor]

with soul cap

[thorn moth]

oof

[low girder]

hfc farm was so dumb between us and the mages

[thorn moth]

i would steal all the orbs

[low girder]

and our 3 tier set swaps

[thorn moth]

to do more damage

[low girder]

fuck i'm glad that's gone

[fleet whale]

i miss HFC farm

[balmy condor]

3 min shadow dance

was great

[fleet whale]

cause you would be done the whole raid in like an hour

[low girder]

yeah i miss skips actually being skips

[thorn moth]

ohh hfc

[low girder]

and not welp time to do 10m of trash

[fleet whale]

the skips were nice

[thorn moth]

i was reading that wrong

[fleet whale]

but even then, you could just blow right through the raid

[thorn moth]

what was the kiljaeden raid

tomb of sargeras

[fleet whale]

Tomb of sargeras

[thorn moth]

yeah that one was lit as sub

[low girder]

soakgeras*

[fleet whale]

on Sunwell plateau

[thorn moth]

no not sunwell

smh

from legion

you keker

[balmy condor]

tomb of soakgeras

pog

[fleet whale]

tomb of sargeras caused CoS to get nerfed and feint to get nerfed in BFA

[thorn moth]

they made me soak everything

my guild had a meme

[balmy condor]

well

[low girder]

tomb was the first time i saw a hotfix nerf while we were in the raid i think

[balmy condor]

that's what we did

[thorn moth]

On avatar

[balmy condor]

lmao

[low girder]

when they dropped the soak circles on avatar from 5 to 4

lol

[balmy condor]

rogue was ridiculous cause every boss had like 7 soak mechanics

[thorn moth]

I would always get hit before the tank because i shadowlance it or wtv

avatar would proc cheat death instantly haha

[fleet whale]

blizz was pretty un-creative when adding mythic mechanics to ToS

[thorn moth]

gottagofast

[fleet whale]

and i didn't like how our defensives couldn't be used as defensives really

and that goes for mages with block too

[thorn moth]

good stuff

legion was fun, i got to bfa, did 2 weeks of mythic 0s and then my whole guild quit

lmao

was 340 ready to go

[fleet whale]

cause early bfa was shit

[thorn moth]

yeah not great

[low girder]

early legion was pretty shit too

tbh

[balmy condor]

early bfa

[fleet whale]

early legion was still better than early bfa

[thorn moth]

yea i came back in legion around nighthold

nighthold/tomf

[fleet whale]

the building up of the artifact still helped

and the lore was better if you cared for that

[forest vigil]

early legion sucked when you got sephuz first legendary

[thorn moth]

hahaha

i was lucky and got mantle like as my third

[forest vigil]

[balmy condor]

better than prydaz

[forest vigil]

PoS

[balmy condor]

I loved sephuz in m+

[low girder]

was also great when you went outlaw and they were like "we're not nerfing anything too much" and then they slam outlaw to the ground

[normal olive]

Sephuz was great

[low girder]

and you have to regrind AP

[forest vigil]

before ToS I got every single legendary except Mantle

I quit and uninstalled on the spot

[fleet whale]

BFA is basically just a lesser/bad version of legion

[thorn moth]

i miss kingsbane

[fleet whale]

i do too

[thorn moth]

added a nice layer

[fleet whale]

but apparently a lot of other people in this discord dont

[low girder]

i feel so weird that people miss kingsbane, am i the only one that doesn't

oh ok lol

[forest vigil]

at least I can't get fucked by stupid legendary systems except the cloak

[thorn moth]

it was cool, like a window you had to fit stuff into

[low girder]

like it doesn't make you do anything you didn't already do

[fleet whale]

i just felt the ability really fit assassination well

[thorn moth]

Kingsband > tb > 2 ev

[low girder]

you were already trying to chain EP/envenom windows

[thorn moth]

little burst window

[low girder]

nothing changed

[fleet whale]

yeah but it just enhanced that

i don't see that as a bad thing

[low girder]

you got rewarded a bit better but it didn't change your playstyle in any way

idk

[thorn moth]

I like when there are little things like that in a spec

Makes it more isnteresting than just build spend build spend

[fleet whale]

i don't every button has to change gameplay for it to be good

[thorn moth]

adds some pacing

[fleet whale]

to me it was a nice damage button that really fit the spec thematically

[thorn moth]

like sub's button was just

damage

boring

[fleet whale]

sub's button

was like 6 in the prio list lol

[low girder]

sub's button was nonexistent, sure

[thorn moth]

goremaw's bite

[fleet whale]

a lot of havoc demon hunters miss their ability

even though it's literally just a an aoe damage button

[thorn moth]

dont they have like 3 buttons

never played one lol

[low girder]

yeah it's because it's something else to hit

lol

[thorn moth]

haha ^^

[fleet whale]

why i would rather have both... i would still take KB over TB

KB is at least a little unique... TB is just colossus smash for poisons

[thorn moth]

yea

agree kb would be cooler

[low girder]

in that sense i agree

[fleet whale]

the whole assassin talent tree sucks tbh

[arctic walrus]

200 messages in 20 minutes in this channel that's odd

[low girder]

i guess mostly i'm just remembering post 7.2 where kingsbane was just "use after you hit TB"

[balmy condor]

they've just been having a "back in my day" chat

nothing crazy

[low girder]

because of the artifact thing

[balmy condor]

carry on

[low girder]

yeah

[balmy condor]

XD

[fleet whale]

too many dead talents... too many uninspired talents

like who thought venom rush was a good talent

[normal olive]

I liked KB

You can use every talent if you are as good as me

[thorn moth]

use no talents

[fleet whale]

is there a single assassin rogue in wow

[thorn moth]

real test

[fleet whale]

who even uses venom rush

[low girder]

probably

[normal olive]

[thorn moth]

im sure there are

[balmy condor]

navi does

[fleet whale]

like i might just check normal wrathion

[thorn moth]

i was in a normal nyalotha today

where there was a rogue doing 10k dps

probably using wrong talents

[low girder]

i would bet money someone's run it on mythic

at least 1

[normal olive]

I'ma run that shit on our ilg progress on tuesday

[fleet whale]

run three DD with it

[low girder]

jk no one was

rip my money

[thorn moth]

also they really brough ilg back lol

i saw the fioght in lfr and was like wtf this is EN 2.0

[fleet whale]

cause DD has some synergy with Venom rush

[low girder]

oh this is top 100 only

[fleet whale]

although not much

so here is my venom rush build

all crit mastery gear

[balmy condor]

no

[normal olive]

Synergy? we don't go for that on my watch

[fleet whale]

lucid major, 3 DD

0 haste

[balmy condor]

no.

[fleet whale]

3 hod i guess

[balmy condor]

stop it.

[normal olive]

Oh Whispyr

[low girder]

navi do you make patterns with your talents

[normal olive]

want me to start?

[fleet whale]

C&S minor, BoTD minor, crucible minor

there is your venom rush/DD build

[normal olive]

gotta use blindside with venom rush

[fleet whale]

goal is to hit a lot of mutilates, and for DD to hit hard

[balmy condor]

I'm tempted to optimize venom rush

just to spite you

[normal olive]

Venom Rush with Blindside

[fleet whale]

garbage

[low girder]

left talents only

[fleet whale]

blindside doens't proc it

nor can blindside proc DD

[normal olive]

But Mut has a chance to reset Blindside

[balmy condor]

blindside is awful

[fleet whale]

SL blindside though....

[balmy condor]

yeah

[normal olive]

That's the reason why i wanna test it

[fleet whale]

i don't know what button i would bind it to though

[low girder]

i'm gonna need more binds

fml

[normal olive]

Ctrl + j

[fleet whale]

yeah, SND

and two covenant abilities

and maybe ambush

[balmy condor]

I have shift+e open

[fleet whale]

that will probably be snd for me

[low girder]

my binds are stupid af

[balmy condor]

and T I guess now that exsang is going to be awful

[low girder]

cloak is on Q

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fleet whale]

t will just be shiv for you lol

[balmy condor]

I have toxic blade on 3

[normal olive]

Man i really need to get keybinds

[balmy condor]

exsang just sits there when I'm not using it

[low girder]

yeah i just have a macro that swaps between them

[normal olive]

Any foot paddle bois?

[balmy condor]

my muscle memory can't put exsang on the same button as toxic blade

idk why

[low girder]

rip

[balmy condor]

it just doesn't happen

[fleet whale]

i guess i could put ambush where i have BoTE, which is a special easy to hit mouse button

[normal olive]

Well now you have TB anyway

so that's good

[balmy condor]

yeah no essence button either

[low girder]

shift F used to be shiv, and now it's blind

[balmy condor]

so I'll have 3 open keybinds

pog

[low girder]

but now shiv is coming back

wtf do i do

[fleet whale]

shiv is tb

[balmy condor]

blind on shift z

[low girder]

yeah but TB and exsang share a bind for me

what if we ever use exsang because of blizz black magic

[fleet whale]

button bloat

[normal olive]

Just click your stuff

[low girder]

oh i get a free one for removing the pvp trinket

since it'll actually be a trinket

yay

[fleet whale]

i guess my binds are weird... 1 is garrote, 2 Step, 3 Mut, 4 envenom

[low girder]

other than that i'm gonna have to add some binds

if you move step off and the rest of those down that's mine lol

1 garrote 2 mut 3 env

4 rup

[fleet whale]

5 is vendetta

e is rupture, q feint

[low girder]

5 is CT because i was like wtf where do i put this

[fleet whale]

and a lot of other buttons are on my mouse

like for vanish i click my mouse wheel

[low girder]

5 was detection for that brief dark period of EV

:\

[normal olive]

my blind is on shift + 0

[fleet whale]

f is my kick

v is KS

[low girder]

f is my stealth

LOL

probably my dumbest one

[fleet whale]

oddly enough... stealth is like the only button i don't have binded lol

i literally just click it

[thorn moth]

stealth>R

[inner leaf]

How is rogue looking boys?

[thorn moth]

amazing

[normal olive]

like a rogue

[fleet whale]

ok ish? still not enough info

[low girder]

unfinished!

come back when we get the rest

of our stuff

[balmy condor]

or when balance happens

[low girder]

that too

[balmy condor]

and bone spike isn't doing 70% of our damage

[inner leaf]

Oh really?!

Jesus

[balmy condor]

outlaw has 1 legendary, sub has none

[thorn moth]

rogue is lit you get to be invisible

[balmy condor]

still no conduits kek

[low girder]

we're missing, 3 talents across our specs? no conduits, bunch of leggos missing

i guess 3 is dependent whether we're keeping alacrity

[fleet whale]

or better yet they decide to axe venom rush

[low girder]

oh and our venthyr ability is currently useless

[thorn moth]

i like their xmog tho

[fleet whale]

i want to be venthyr

[thorn moth]

Yeah i want the dagger cloak

[fleet whale]

please blizz make them at least decent

[balmy condor]

our kyrian ability isn't useful either

lul

[fleet whale]

it probably can be

[low girder]

hey if you RNG it does something

[fleet whale]

but it's just too much of a pain

[low girder]

venthyr can't RNG into usefulness lol

[balmy condor]

its so janky

[fleet whale]

wouldn't be a fan of randomly using knife throw

just to get the right cps to get a hard hitting envenom

[thorn moth]

bring back burst of speed uwu

[low girder]

i wanted to be night fae before any abilities came out and that's looking real tasty atm

so i'm kind of excited

[normal olive]

Poison Knive is in our opener what are you talking about?

[balmy condor]

navi shut up

[normal olive]

[fleet whale]

and would it even be worth to weave in pk for a 7 cp envenom essentially?

[low girder]

(assuming they take a nerfhammer to bone spike before release -.-)

[fleet whale]

like PK does such little damage

[low girder]

not like mut does dmg either without DD

tbf

[balmy condor]

we have abilities that do damage?

[fleet whale]

still way more than poison knife

[low girder]

is more of a math problem

[thorn moth]

yeah our bow auto attacks do damage

[low girder]

they could buff it down the line

[fleet whale]

in some beta clips auto attack

[low girder]

hoping for a rework though

[fleet whale]

is something like 30% of sin's damage rn

[low girder]

thanks SND

[fleet whale]

and envenom was like 6% lol

[normal olive]

I'ma make it so Poison knife does 100% of my dmg

just look out

[fleet whale]

imagine being a masochist and using Deeper stratagem at level 60

just to see how assassin would play

[low girder]

gonna play the same build as live

4 maintenance things, let's go

[fleet whale]

i don't think that's gonna work out too well for you

[low girder]

lmao

nah i'll prolly be sub

[fleet whale]

idk how blizz is even gonna make exsang a real option

[low girder]

unless numbers are bad

[fleet whale]

losing so much shit that makes it good

and it's really only good in bfa because of that shit

[balmy condor]

Make exsang like that one feral talent

Passive bleeds tick out faster

Pog more passive talents

[rigid eagle]

@fleet whale if we get some sort of borrowed power thing where we get a massive spike of haste on low cd, that might bring exsang back

imo the part where exsang snapshots ur current haste is the coolest thing about it lol

[normal olive]

We get the thingy that gives us 20% more attackspeed

[rigid eagle]

lol oh yeah

snd so fun

love auto attacking

[normal olive]

Oh i meant that one soul bind

[rigid eagle]

O:

[normal olive]

that speeds everything up by 20%

but does not work on bleeds, energy regen

[rigid eagle]

"speeds up" like the buff in visions?

[normal olive]

so we get 20% attackspeed

[rigid eagle]

i mean if casting speed increases that could feel kinda good to use

but even then, without rank 5000 expedient our energy can't keep up right

[normal olive]

Yep

[rigid eagle]

fking pog

loving the bleak future of my class

really immersive, like im playing 2020 as a videogame

[balmy condor]

Hey look at the bright side

Outlaw is good

[normal olive]

[rigid eagle]

KEK outlaw

actually how are they doing? last i checked they were trying to wrestle acrobatic strike back from blizz lol

[balmy condor]

I mean

It’s outlaw

But with their acro and rtb changes

[rigid eagle]

its outlaw with target cap xD

[balmy condor]

And kidney being kidney

But it’s still outlaw

[normal olive]

Wait are they getting the cleave change?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[normal olive]

ôof

[balmy condor]

Blade flurry is 8 I believe

Maybe 5?

[rigid eagle]

i thought 3/5

[balmy condor]

I don’t care enough bout those yellows

[normal olive]

Is fok getting the cleave change too?

[balmy condor]

Not yet

But I assume it will

[normal olive]

wouldn't make sense with the animation

[balmy condor]

Neither does eyebeam now does it

Or whirlwind

[rigid eagle]

eyebeam isn't target capped right

im pretty sure

[normal olive]

i just want to keep my aoe

fuck the others

[balmy condor]

Is eyebeam not capped

That’s pretty jank

[low girder]

sub looks decent

once they fix the like 20 different bugs

[balmy condor]

I still have my concerns

[thorn moth]

Overall i just like rogue in general

being stealthy and having daggers is kewl

big burst

[balmy condor]

Sub is notorious for jank

[low girder]

always

[thorn moth]

anyone want to do m+ us horde

im 445 so nothin crazy

[balmy condor]

Imagine doing m+ this week

[thorn moth]

are affixes trash?

[normal olive]

Imagine being US

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t be caught dead in a key

Yeah it’s arguably the worst affix week

[thorn moth]

what us it

[balmy condor]

And next week is arguably the best

Tyran bolster explosive

[thorn moth]

oof

[fallow otter]

Can confirm, it sucks

[balmy condor]

I was watching ryfie do a 28 junkyard for no leaver

Last boss was 14 minutes long omegalul

[fallow otter]

Next week is the best there is, and it's the last one depending on pre patch timing

[balmy condor]

They double healed it

[final harbor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ppaXHfE2fHK1YEnxVgNefP any ideas on how to improve my guy

[fallow otter]

Woah, double healed?

[balmy condor]

Quick sim

[normal olive]

You need to work on your opener

[balmy condor]

Yeah they did hpal, rdruid, prot war, Fire mage sin rogue

And it was a fucking mess

98 minute key

[thorn moth]

LOL

98

horrible

[balmy condor]

2 healers and the boss mechanics were still crushing

Fulminating zap on last boss

Ridiculous

[thorn moth]

oneshot

or proc cdeath

[final harbor]

wdym work on my opener?

what should i be doing differently?

[balmy condor]

He’s memeing

Cause he’s a clown

[normal olive]

that's mean

[final harbor]

i don’t get it

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

Your opener is fine maybe idk

You linked a sim

I have no clue what your opener is

[thorn moth]

cant trust navi

[normal olive]

Yeah we would need logs to see what you doing

[final harbor]

ok

[balmy condor]

Well

[thorn moth]

if you dont have34% crit

[balmy condor]

“We” as in not navi

[thorn moth]

[balmy condor]

I’m watching your ass

[final harbor]

should i link a log

[fallow otter]

WV major

[normal olive]

Yeah Whispyr and me are a team

[low girder]

hey you can trust navi as a "see this opener? don't do that"

[normal olive]

we work on theory crafting openers

[balmy condor]

[fallow otter]

Is the rest of your raid in on the WV club?

[thorn moth]

[normal olive]

[final harbor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bleeding-hollow/phyzzy

[balmy condor]

WV simmed higher for that one chinese name weeb that I can never tag

Where is he

[thorn moth]

mavericks playing stupid basketball

[low girder]

i haven't actually tried in a while

can't imagine it would beat CLF for me though

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s rare but I’ve seen it happen

WV is pretty good though

Definitely not ideal though

[fallow otter]

Just safer to go clf/blood I think

[balmy condor]

Ye

[thorn moth]

What is this exsanguinate build i hear of

[low girder]

oh, hmm

it does win for me lmao

[final harbor]

Lol my bote is rank 2

[balmy condor]

Pins has guide

[final harbor]

im just lazy to do it

[thorn moth]

my bote is rank 1 and poopoo

[fallow otter]

Same reason I just go iris over formless for minor coz i just can't be fucked using tomes every boss

[balmy condor]

It’s just a fuckassshit ton of haste

[final harbor]

thats why i use wv

[low girder]

by a decent amount too, ~1300

[balmy condor]

Yeah

WV hype

Lmao

[low girder]

but i'd never get my raid on WV train so

[balmy condor]

You simmed with allies?

[final harbor]

me? no

[low girder]

yeah, 3 allies

[normal olive]

Could you pre cast Ripple in Space before pull

[balmy condor]

Don’t sim with allies

[low girder]

oh you meant it wins without them?

interesting

[balmy condor]

If it’s 1300 with 3

It’ll probably win without

[low girder]

this is also without gcb, just with plumage

[fallow otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2aveDBZ6SjLFM1p9ivrmmD

[low girder]

which hurts clf a bit prolly

[fallow otter]

WV hypeeeee

[balmy condor]

Please god no

I wish I hadn’t said anything

[fallow otter]

Ps. Not doing it

[final harbor]

should i switch to clf

[fallow otter]

Got rank 3?

[low girder]

nah without WV for me it's within margin of error for blood, and clf wins by around 1800

[final harbor]

yeah i do

[low girder]

without allies*

[fallow otter]

Yeah, I would use clf bro

[balmy condor]

I agree

WV doesn’t feel great

[final harbor]

bote or clf?

[fallow otter]

Clf

Coz you don't have bote 3

[low girder]

yeah if you don't have r3 just run clf

[balmy condor]

Yuh

[final harbor]

if I did

[balmy condor]

I would still take CLF

[fallow otter]

If you have rank 3 both then it's just a personal preference thing, and switching for certain bosses parse

[balmy condor]

But bote wins depending on kill time

[low girder]

also will want bote for the minor eventually anyway

and for M+

[final harbor]

rn im using clockwork is bbi better though?

w/ gcb

[fallow otter]

Clockwork for 3min BBI for longer for me

With gcb

[final harbor]

k ty

[fallow otter]

Not sure how it would be good you though, I run blood minor

Compare sims, 3m and 5m

[final harbor]

probably just gonna grind out r3 blood anyways

[fallow otter]

Yep good plan, especially for m plus

[balmy condor]

Gotta grind fast

[final harbor]

y

[balmy condor]

Cause prepatch in 2 months or else

[final harbor]

lol obv nothing is gonna matter when prepatch hits

ill get it done fast

[balmy condor]

Also next week is the last push week for m+

And basically 90% of guilds are done raiding

It’s the calm before the storm

[final harbor]

im bad at the video game i just wanna get all my 15s done before prepatch hits

no big pushing for me

[balmy condor]

Dude same

[normal olive]

I just want my mythic clear

[fallow otter]

We only kill what we sell now, massive calm

[normal olive]

I'll pay 2 gold for full mythic clear

[fallow otter]

Got a queue for carapace and nzoth and raden, the rest is meh

Ohhh quite a few buy maut for trinket

Pvpers

[strange python]

@normal olive how sick is this?

[fallow otter]

Dood people still buy jaina mount, even with skip!

[normal olive]

not enough poison knive @strange python

[fallow otter]

I won't judge, maybe he had his gf punch him in the dick during opener

[normal olive]

Hey don't judge openers

[strange python]

not mine

BTW

[normal olive]

I'm the god of openers here

[strange python]

that is true

[fallow otter]

Lol @ auto correct switch from dick to fuck

[normal olive]

Wanna see a banger opener?

[strange python]

ofc

[normal olive]

You allready know the legendary mfd kidney opener

[fallow otter]

That shit is 200iq

[normal olive]

[fallow otter]

Let me guess

Carapace, buyer didn't have cloak and he got mc and he clutch cc him

Easy explanation

[normal olive]

Shadhar

[fallow otter]

Ok I'm out

[normal olive]

That one was on purpose

[strange python]

Sick opener

[normal olive]

This should teach Stunkei who the god of openers is

this one is legit

[fallow otter]

I hear this is how you maximise garrote

[normal olive]

This is navi whenever he get's a stroke during openers

[fallow otter]

Jumping the gun a little

It lines up so nicely

Envenom into vanish into gar

I love the timing of how it lines up in opener

Emp gar just expiring for perfectly after envenom

[little root]

10/10 truly flawless

[lethal arrow]

are ppl going insane on cara/nzoth on purpose for dps 🤔

[astral leaf]

There’s a druid in my guild who goes insane when we lust near the end of cara so his burst is bonkers and then gets rezed if it doesn’t die before he does

[fallow otter]

are ppl going insane on cara/nzoth on purpose for dps 🤔
@lethal arrow yup ofc if you want to parse

Now you don't need it to make the dps checks, we used to have to go insane to make the dps check

But that was like 6 months ago

Pre nerf

[toxic ravine]

Stunkei how much do you guys sell boss kills for

[rancid spade]

1001+ nEw mEssAGeS

[balmy condor]

read them all

definitely not just memes

[rancid spade]

i just read 34% again and just pressed esc

[normal olive]

34% is the way

[hidden flint]

Wtf is 34%

[balmy condor]

good meme

fake breakpoint that doesn't exist

[fallow otter]

Stunkei how much do you guys sell boss kills for
@toxic ravine changes per boss and personal vs stacked

Even sell fonts if we find people that want still

Silly that is bis

[toxic ravine]

Sorry what does personal vs stacked mean ?

[balmy condor]

its loot funneling

[toxic ravine]

What about heroic/ mythic drest kill

Ok and how much for personal / stacked

[balmy condor]

depends on guild

I've seen 4-5 stacked mythic raden for about 1.4mil

but this isn't the channel, nor the discord for that

[toxic ravine]

Oh ok do you know the discord for that stuff

[balmy condor]

nope, but I'm sure you can find boosting discords with a little bit of searching

[normal olive]

I'm selling 1 gold for 2 gold

[toxic ravine]

Ok ty

[tawny shell]

Is there not a shadowlands channel?

[balmy condor]

shadowlands discussion for the specs are in the spec channels, general shadowlands discussion is in #wow-general

[tawny shell]

I see

[fallow otter]

Ill whisper a link to our guild info

[uncut schooner]

@balmy condor I did a thing.

[balmy condor]

oh no

its 2am

pls

[uncut schooner]

Pls look

at muh logs

[shrewd night]

Nice link

[uncut schooner]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MQf9VRPvWNdZJa7n

I'm somewhere on the meters.

[shrewd night]

Also, tell laura shes a wiener

[uncut schooner]

Not sure where.

[harsh trout]

just started an sin rogue for my second chjaracter ever 😄

gonna learn a lot

[balmy condor]

what the

what is this

[shrewd night]

@uncut schooner you popping vanish with adds, or just straight after first empowered garrote?

[uncut schooner]

Yeah, vanish on adds.

We struggled like hell with clearing adds so I held vanish purposefully for them just to get out garrotes.

[balmy condor]

LIGHTFOOT POTION

[uncut schooner]

Yeah... I had uhh..

Some disagreements with our raid lead.

[balmy condor]

oh my god

that exsang hurts the soul

[uncut schooner]

Got flame pillar immediately after my opener.

[normal olive]

he is learning from the master

[balmy condor]

oh my god

[normal olive]

[uncut schooner]

[shrewd night]

What did rik want you to do? To use lightfoot I mean

[uncut schooner]

Rik wasn't there.

We had Fubarr raid leading.

[balmy condor]

[normal olive]

Run around the room for 1 lap

as time out

[shrewd night]

Oh

Still tho, what did he want you to do?

[uncut schooner]

For the vita markers I ended up getting it after nuking the second lot of orbs.

But I was literally on the other side of the room for the main marker he wanted me to get to.

No sprint, no shadowstep.

Fuck all.

[normal olive]

gotta go fast

[uncut schooner]

Tried explaining that but he wasn't buying it "You just have to try and get there."

Literally fking how.

[shrewd night]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MQf9VRPvWNdZJa7n#fight=22&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24154807848.0.0.Rogue%24false%2411327&target=82

I mean like

What is your warlocks doing

They should be wrecking the orbs

[balmy condor]

what is this raden kill dude

[uncut schooner]

Messy no doubt lol

[balmy condor]

why is that BM hunter not switching

[umbral rapids]

Wat

Padders dude

[balmy condor]

was he on a different orb

I hope he was on a different orb

nop

he just literally didn't hit anything

[normal olive]

Living the life

[shrewd night]

@uncut schooner tbh, hard to analyze. Your uptime on boss is shit becaus eyou have to pick up slack

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MQf9VRPvWNdZJa7n#fight=22&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24154807848.0.0.Rogue%24false%2411327&target=86

b r u h

[uncut schooner]

I think the one thing I found the most annoying.

Was after the second orb where we stacked on three markers surrounding the left arrow.

[umbral rapids]

@balmy condor hey at least warlock nuked it lol

[uncut schooner]

And the adds kept getting pulled out of reach for melee dps.

Trying to switch to a stalker add I can't even reach.

But somehow need to down it before the third set of orbs.

[shrewd night]

Wait

Arent the adds stacked on top of boss?

[umbral rapids]

[normal olive]

[umbral rapids]

Damn even my guild is cleaner

[uncut schooner]

So imagine a triangle, with tanks positioned opposite the melee and the boss at the top.

Adds kept getting dragged onto the tanks.

So melee couldn't reach.

[shrewd night]

bro

[uncut schooner]

Without potentially pillaring the tanks.

Which led to complaints.

[balmy condor]

bruh this replay

[normal olive]

Wanna see my kill, playing ring around the rosie with raden?

[balmy condor]

they're square dancing lmao

[normal olive]

[uncut schooner]

Didn't realise you were in CPC Koffing lol

[balmy condor]

I mean honestly doesn't look too bad

but uh

that's not stacked

[shrewd night]

Idk, in and in. I just like the peeps so I have a char there for m+ shenanigans 👋

Cant reach adds? Go outlaw

[uncut schooner]

First guild I've mythic raided with so, fun times.

[normal olive]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VWzt2FYQ1BnN4CGa#fight=38&view=replay

[shrewd night]

I stand by what I said, its hard to analyze based on slack. But idk where you were in soakrotation either.

Not being standby soaker as assa

[uncut schooner]

I wasn't in the rotation.

Wasn't even backup.

[shrewd night]

Oh

Perf then

[uncut schooner]

But yeah, got there in the end. Just really hit and miss on the mechanics.

Positioning following second orb was just really awkward for melee overall.

Couldn't hit anything.

Except ra'den ofc.

@normal olive Way different to how we did it lol

[normal olive]

Gotta love the orb life as melee

[uncut schooner]

I mean, raid lead made the call to leave orbs to ranged on the first set.

But had melee switch for every set after that.

So at the very least I did manage to get openers out.

[normal olive]

We only switched on second orb because we didn't have enough ranged dmg

[patent topaz]

imagine doing more than 1 set of orbs on raden

[uncut schooner]

@balmy condor Go sleep anyway.

[balmy condor]

no

compose music

then sleep

[normal olive]

It's 11:30am

time to go to bed soon

[strange python]

omfg finally golden plumage 460ilvl

😭

[median badge]

Bruh I’m so lost on where to go for gear now. I don’t get accepted into high enough level mythic+ and it’s even harder to get into heroic raids

[silent crescent]

Run your own key in m+

Low gear, no io means you need to take the risk if you dont know anyone who will be nice and take you along

[vast forum]

make friends with good players 😄

[clear remnant]

Yo i left for a bit and just came back, why is everyone running crimson tempest in keys now?

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s better

[crisp flume]

Whats best neck essences for raiding?

[shut garnet]

depends what build u running

So best answer is sim it

but generally blood/conflict/formless/iris/clf/breath are all good to have if you’re just looking to buy them from mother

[crisp flume]

Alright, thanks! 🙂 i'll take a look at it ^^

[untold stump]

Hey all, converted Sub to Assasa player, waiting on expedient next cycle.

Besides my headpiece from Ra-Den, anything to add to this?

I can't sim properly because I don't have the gear to sim ahead of time if that makes sense.

Any advice super appreciated.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kkM3f6DX2jnkur7XwMDNeo

[strange python]

can u get cara loot?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hWZx8QqWZftryBAykukfkz

@untold stump

[opaque mauve]

Seen a few videos of ppl cheesing wrathion when he does flames the room , standing under him and continue to dps , what are they using to stay alive ? Cloak doesn’t last long enough

[strange python]

u cloak before explosion goes off

u cna survive the dot by just crimson vial or healthstones/healthpots

[opaque mauve]

The fire seems to hurt a bit

[crimson palm]

U dont even need cloak

Pots and cd

[strange python]

did it work?

[crimson palm]

U need to use pots as soon as cd procs

Small window

[strange python]

saver to just cloak then 😄

what cd? feint?

safer*

cheat death

Oh lmao

I just use cloak

[opaque mauve]

Feint with talent would help I guess 😁

[strange python]

that is a waste

[crimson palm]

U don't need elu

[strange python]

if u die from dot

idk what to say

healthstone + crimson vial + healthpot is literally above max hp

so there is no way u die from dot

[opaque mauve]

Cool thanks for the info

[umbral rapids]

@opaque mauve do you have a video of that ?

[strange python]

symfony u just continue dps in intermission and press cloak before explosions go off

[untold stump]

Cheers @strange python really helpful, appreciate it! ❤️

[young vessel]

jesus am i the only one

11 rekills cara 5 kills nzoth

AP bonus roll

and only 1 boots and 1 dagger drop

for funken sake

[untold stump]

Lmao feels bad man

The dagger has a really low drop rate

[strange python]

true I actually i think i got it from the Emissary of War quest haha

[edgy pawn]

how do you all deal with psychus on m nzoth? dots on psychus, envenom the synapses?

until 8 stacks ofc

[quartz depot]

Pretty much yeah

[tranquil dust]

Just wondering if there are general tips/tricks to dealing with Thing from Beyond as I am getting to the point I may be going over the 39 "wimpy" cap

Ive been told FoK with crippling helps

But not 100% and if there is anything else to not lose alot of downtime on bosses etc

Looks like you can't macro target it, but I suppose if its just 1 boss I can tab target and blind?

[loud light]

tab targeting or mouseover macros work

you just can't target by name in a macro, yeah

or get a weakaura to make the nameplate more noticeable

blare a siren at you, etc

[tranquil dust]

Ah, thats actually a superb idea, thank you!

Going to research that now 😄

[sullen pagoda]

just let it hit u :4head:

[harsh anchor]

Healer mechanic btw

[sullen pagoda]

yepyep

i only ever blind it if its monkaS situation

[steep obsidian]

most of my guild def treats it as a healer mech thats for sure

[tranquil dust]

Rofl

I can see my guild checking logs then inquire and I say healer mechanic.....2 seconds later /gkick

Magic number is 69 right

Maybe I can use that excuse

[sullen pagoda]

we had mage take 3x more eye dmg than next 3 ppl

in our nzoth wipe fiesta night

xD

almsot got gkicked

[tranquil dust]

Lol

[sullen pagoda]

he was playing 79 lmao

[floral shoal]

If he did 3x more damage than the next three people just heal him through it 😉

[thin bone]

when do you refresh crimson tempest on st?

[cyan bone]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oESGTpWa2s5QemFBYwki8 Can someone tell me why my sim is like 20k+ lower than everyone elses apart from not having rank 3 boe

[void pecan]

Weapons

sockets

Not bis azerite

wrong mecha ring

[fleet whale]

Bote 3 will boost you up a bit though

like the difference between 2 and 3 is quite large

[void pecan]

lucid dreams instead of formless void

[fleet whale]

do you not have CLF rank 3?

cause really BoTE isn't really worth it as a major until you get to rank 3

[void pecan]

Yeah, you might do/sim higher with something like.. flame r3

or CLF like varolyn said

[young dust]

since the topic is major essences, in which cases is CLF better than BOTE as major? I've seen some logs in Maut and other bosses that people tend to use it rather than BOTE

[void pecan]

IIRC fight length plays a part

cuz 1.5 cd vs 3m cd

[young dust]

so if the fight is like <=3:15 it's worth considering CLF?

[balmy condor]

It’s worth considering on basically any length

Bote is good for like 2:30-3:10 cause you get 2 casts instead of 1 with CLF

[fleet whale]

alternatively, you can try to use formless void major and copy someone elses CLF so you don't have to use the crappy CLF minor

but that only works well on quick fights

[cyan bone]

Should I use lucid even?

Cause it feels like I have so much energy already

[fleet whale]

have to sim yourself to see if you can replace lucid

and eventually the big value from lucid minor is the vers proc

but at like high 60s low 70s percent of haste is when formless void will probably be better

[cyan bone]

I am at 87 rn that is with full haste gems though, should probably get crit instead

[fleet whale]

at 87 formless should be better

and why gem crit

[cyan bone]

Idk

stat weight

https://gyazo.com/37247482116de644f62d16a25751904c

[fleet whale]

i would use gear compare instead

[cyan bone]

Feels so bad/weird to use crit though instead of haste

when I got like full expe

[fleet whale]

stat weights are just too wonky

[cyan bone]

Head someone talk about how it sims really bad

[fleet whale]

what sims really bad

[cyan bone]

as it like refreshes stealth garrote and stuff

that that the sim itself is weird/inaccurate

that is refreshes dots too often or something like that

[fleet whale]

are you talking about raidbots/simcraft? that it's doing something wrong?

[cyan bone]

yea

I saw someone talk about it once

not sure whether it was just complete bullshit or not though ^^

[fleet whale]

idk, i really would be surprised if there was such an issue. The rogue people who handle the sims are always on top of things

[cyan bone]

Simming with best gear rn with different enchants

probably should put in like crit though

Kinda suprised though, as all the high sims are full haste aswell

so why would mine say that I should put in crit/mastery

[tranquil dust]

Its based on what stats are on each piece of gear too, because it can add up

If you have exp 3 on everything and half of your gear is missing haste in any form, it could change

[balmy condor]

What? Simcraft is optimized for single target

Multi-target is always wonky for sure

But if you’re simming for raids, it’s perfectly fine

[cyan bone]

Hyped for next week, when I can get full expe 3

missing 1 corruption and got 1 expe 2

and then I can replace my ring finally

[main forge]

I missed out at expedient 2 and 1, so got to run my pvp gushing pieces to fill corruption holes >_>

[cyan bone]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5hu3YmXMEk2gnwWvnrEcxd

yea so crit gems compared to haste is literally 0 difference

[fleet whale]

but do the crit gems put you at 34% crit?

[cyan bone]

xD

Thats just a meme right? 😄

[fleet whale]

i mean the sims may show that it's less than 100 dps increase

but in game, it's actually way higher

[main forge]

but a haste gem counts as what though? with say 6x expedients its more than 50 haste....

[cyan bone]

What do you mean kabrai?

Why though @fleet whale

[fleet whale]

it's a joke man

[cyan bone]

xD

[main forge]

expedients increase the % of your haste... so each +50 haste from a gem is actualy worth... say +60 haste

[cyan bone]

about to say either hard memeing or I dont even know

yea

more than that actually

thats why I thought the more expedient I get the more haste gems I want

but then at the same time, the higher haste I get the higher I also want other stats

[fleet whale]

eventually you may want mastery gems

[drifting cloud]

yeah if we were actually a class that scaled off corr

[cyan bone]

we arent?

Yea thats what I think aswell, when I get the last 2 expe 3's I probably want a bit of mastery/crit

[main forge]

I know I had a masterful 3 piece that I was using until exp 3 came back around last month. and that actually gave a nice boost to mastery.... it wasn't a huge hit to my dps from what I saw... definitely one more exp 3 was better, but I wasn't losing like 2k dps

[balmy condor]

more m+

[uncut schooner]

Story of my life.

Tbh.

[balmy condor]

also mecha rings if you're raiding is huge

[uncut schooner]

^ It was like a 3k dps higher sim with both combined.

[void pecan]

target weapons + mech rings in M+ then other stuff

[simple ore]

For m+ are people running a multi bleed sin build or is there another build I should be aware of? I kinda don’t feel like playing outlaw bc most of my gear is sin related for arena

[balmy condor]

pins has the crit build TLDR

[kind bone]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9fEHT7GsjgzfoRGwpsAqc9 Any major, minor upgrade for my gear guys?

[balmy condor]

not really

[kind bone]

Maybe exp 2 on offhand, but dont have it actually

[balmy condor]

465 bit band, more sockets

etc etc

carapace daggers are for sure better

[kind bone]

we are on progress right now

[balmy condor]

heroic cara for offhand

if you can get a socket on it

crit/mast and crit legs are probably not ideal

[lean marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5SUVvzy5gQhxccwe2LmmLU @balmy condor u think with more sockets Vita will outscale harlans?

[balmy condor]

it'll probably wont sim higher

but you'd be trolling to not take the vita in raids

[lean marten]

but muh dps!

🙂

[balmy condor]

there might be a world where full expedient and no haste gems will make vita worth over it

but I think its so niche and weird that its just not worth

[lean marten]

[balmy condor]

raider.io and warcraft logs usually

the talents are PVP

do you have a sim?

It looks fine

but you're just undegeared

[desert canyon]

is it possible to reach 100k single target with a crit build or is haste the only way deal enough dmg for mythic nyalotha?

[balmy condor]

I'm sure it is possible to do 100k single target with crit

if you're optimized

but its not necessary to clear nzoth

people killed nzoth with like 70k simdps

[uncut schooner]

It still confuses me how there are guilds that can do that.

But I guess their ability to handle raid mechanics are just on-point.

Or they're simply that skilled at their classes.

[balmy condor]

they're all good at the game

[fleet whale]

and the dps checks aren't that absurd in this raid really

[uncut schooner]

I'll be good eventually, just give me 15 years more experience to catch up lmao.

[balmy condor]

yeah none of the dps checks are crazy

the worst one was like orbs on raden lmao

[uncut schooner]

I mean there was kind of a dps check on ra'den.

[fleet whale]

yeah but at this point

[uncut schooner]

But I mean, that's probably due to the fact we're dropping dps after orb phases.

[fleet whale]

if your whole raid is like 470+ilvl with good corruptions

[balmy condor]

yeah there's no way

[fleet whale]

the dps walls in the raid won't be that tough

[balmy condor]

if you're decent players

and put time in

you should CE

we over-gear the shit out of the raid now

with all the corruptions

[uncut schooner]

I want to get CE this patch tbh, would be nice for the debut into the mythic raid scene.