correct
#assassination
balmy condor
uncut schooner
Thanks to greater/faster energy regen.
balmy condor
energy for outlaw, energy and cp for sub
uncut schooner
Assa is the only one where its regen is tied to its bleed ticks, which is ironically dependent on haste right?
balmy condor
correct
uncut schooner
#Givememorehastepls
wary kelp
uncut schooner
I unequipped my heart of azeroth doing a glory ny'alotha run yesterday (damage procs screwing up on cara fight) and the regen was dirt.
Actual dirt.
1 mutilate every 2 seconds
balmy condor
1 mut every 2 seconds sounds pretty fast
uncut schooner
Hm... maybe that's not accurate.
balmy condor
I play a crit build in m+ and i'm like 90% sure that its slower than that
uncut schooner
Lemme go test.
mental trout
How do you guys deal with higher keys and the raid build? Thinking I need to get some avoidance or some thing. Get one shot by the first boss on FH in a 20 key
uncut schooner
Okay.
balmy condor
that sounds like you got hit by more than 1 thing
uncut schooner
1 mutilate every 4 seconds.
balmy condor
you shouldn't need vers until much higher
uncut schooner
4-5
balmy condor
what did you get one shot by
mental trout
Nah, the shot (forget its name) one hit me at full with overkill, got BR and it did the same thing again. I do only have 485k health though
balmy condor
hm
I'm at ~510
and it doesn't even get me close
I don't even have that much vers
mental trout
Weird?
balmy condor
yeah idk man, pre-feint I guess?
or get more gear with vers on it?
but that definitely shouldn't be happening imo
weak oak
anyone have weakauras to track Ep>?
uncut schooner
Question now that I have bote 3 whispyr
When is it correct to use bote again after the opener?
Or should I be holding it for the next vend/vanish window
balmy condor
you hold
uncut schooner
Gotcha.
dire spoke
what?
balmy condor
what?
dire spoke
why can't you use bote at 1:10 you're going to delay into vanish anyways
slim estuary
whats the haste break point where CT is better
dire spoke
oh its 1.5 I forgot
dire spoke
uncut schooner
Btw, I saw a tiny bit of your stream earlier.
balmy condor
oh
uncut schooner
Was that the 3 echoing blades build?
uncut schooner
KR
balmy condor
nah I played haste on that
uncut schooner
So basically the raid build?
balmy condor
yuh
uncut schooner
Are there keys you can actually do that then? :v
uncut schooner
Because I'm more or less stuck with the raid build for the rest of the expansion now.
balmy condor
raid build is pretty pog in a couple keys
balmy condor
oh then yeah whatever
15's are big nothing
you can play mindflay's in a 15
just do the rotation properly
and you're a-o-k
dire spoke
I need to buy two more expedients 
upgrades in bag
balmy condor
should play CT in dungeons
but yeah, pretty unlucky tbh
the woes of being undergeared
what region you play?
uncut schooner
I have 5 more exped 3s in the bank.
Saving up for August 11th now.
Which is when exped 3 is back in.
uncut schooner
It's one of the few mythic progression guilds willing to accomodate my schedule so.
And I want to raid.
Primarily.
dire spoke
uncut schooner
I do shift work so.
balmy condor
drifting cloud
you have to go 95 corr for shadhar zempai
weak oak
anyone have weakauras to track Ep>?
uncut schooner
dire spoke
god bless item restoration
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
dire spoke
yeah Ryler I saw that TB boye
drifting cloud
eh thats just TA
weak oak
ty!
dire spoke
fucking Schwänze all over the place
drifting cloud
the guy just plays slotmachine
dire spoke
xd
drifting cloud
I played 96 today
wasnt even an issue
cloaked thing, moved out of 2 eyes
while still being in melee
dire spoke
I'm too annoyed to do so
drifting cloud
I only do it on shad past 2 weeks just because I have some damn is3 pants since like 2nd week
tryharding would be buying it on 485 but im not farming sockets
dire spoke
balmy condor
Navi would like to know your location
dire spoke
but is it just me or do eyes and things procc 3x more often on xanesh
I get the overlaps from hell
drifting cloud
no clue I facetank alot of stuff there
dire spoke
@balmy condor are you ingame
balmy condor
I could be
dire spoke
I just changed your WA to rupture instead of garrote because that's smarter
balmy condor
wait but the rupture one was fine
dire spoke
I just wanted
to ask if the condition 5 color affects your WA
I changed it and it doesn't
dire spoke
balmy condor
the garrote code is actually the rupture code but with more jank
so since the rupture code just works
I assume the entire condition, as well as the entire trigger
is just completely worthless
dire spoke
no u
balmy condor
dire spoke
delete quick
balmy condor
nah idc
steal them all
I mean uh
I'm a youtuber with a strong accent give me money
dire spoke
imagine not showing .0 digits, noob
dire spoke
you may use keybinds but I click on 7.2
dire spoke
fathom swift
7.2?
fathom swift
You can refresh rupture on 8.4 with stratagem
fathom swift
Sure
slim estuary
CT is ~60%
@balmy condor Passive or with expedient active buff
balmy condor
expedient isn't an active buff
fathom swift
And you cant refresh on 7.2 normally with 4cp
balmy condor
so I'm gonna say passive with the expedient active buff
yes but you also don't finish on 4
you finish on 5 though
slim estuary
I sim with PB higher but I'm at 62% hase
balmy condor
do you have TTK
fathom swift
Ya i meant like before people used ds back in the olden days
slim estuary
ttk?
drifting cloud
azerite trait
balmy condor
envenom trait
slim estuary
I have 3 SS
balmy condor
and?
fathom swift
Do you also have a twist the knife trait
slim estuary
Oh yes actually, I have a Twist the knife in a residium vendor head I am using atm (havent got mythic ra den head)
dire spoke
no?
balmy condor
well
there is technically points in time where you could force CT
but it disables by default
fathom swift
The apl doesnt use ct on st with a ttk trait
dire spoke
?
balmy condor
if you want to probe the APL and get like 90 dps out of CT
that's fine
but APL just doesn't use it if you have TTK
dire spoke
rogue apl is as complete as sl beta rogue
slim estuary
oh so it doesn't even sim CT if I have a TTK trait active?
balmy condor
no it'll sim it
but it won't use it
so since you never hit the CT button
you will never do CT damage
which makes it quite a bad talent
dire spoke
but
fathom swift
The apl isnt like wrong tho idk why youd say it is without testing it yourself
balmy condor
yeah the APL is fine
slim estuary
So do I believe the sim then or would using CT in practice actually be better than what the sime does?
balmy condor
it might be a little screwy for short fights
and formless was never implemented
you believe the sim
cause its been tested many a time
dire spoke
at some point it showed me to go ct over tb 
or does it just pick the last entry
dire spoke
ugh
balmy condor
dire spoke
pb
slim estuary
Right, so I should believe the sim until I have mythic ra-den head and then use that with CT
dire spoke
I had raid chest piece since forever
balmy condor
okay
dire spoke
wait uh
rustic yarrow
how much should I get my crit% to before I start stacking Strikethrough?
balmy condor
echoing blades
rustic yarrow
ahh yes
balmy condor
I can't wait for all the new shadowlands short-hand
dire spoke
weird
dire spoke
xd
balmy condor
crimson_tempest,if=spell_targets=1&combo_points>=(cp_max_spend-1)&refreshable&!exsanguinated&!debuff.toxic_blade.up&master_assassin_remains=0&!azerite.twist_the_knife.enabled&target.time_to_die-remains>4
&!azerite.twist_the_knife.enabled
hard to get around that part
serene karma
I can’t pre purchase shadowlands rn so I haven’t played beta but what is lvling like ?
balmy condor
lvling is fine
its like it has been
good zones
sin however, kinda really slow
so if you're going to level as sin, you're in for a wild ride
serene karma
I’m just curious about it being reduced to 60, what that will mean for areas like pandaera and stuff . I haven’t looked into any of it
Raids etc
serene karma
Ohhh so there is no like . Specific area with higher lvl npc
Technically you could quest anywhere then right?
serene karma
Thx
slim estuary
@balmy condor I see now, without TTK CT wins but with TTK PB is better. SO once I get a 475 helm without TTK, CT will be better.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w7edc3P9rhdz8wPSwaWo3A
serene karma
I haven’t played since the legion expansion first came out so it’s been a bit coming back now
balmy condor
yeah honestly wish I did omegalul
fallow otter
Acquiring corruptions sucked, and they are too rng and ruined parsing
I don't mind the gameplay though
dire spoke
I love it when you have to play the CT shit opener and then need 3mut for 6cp
slim estuary
Guess I better learn CT now
slim estuary
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TFAt7KMw9pgadmX1
@balmy condor How'd I go at the dummy with the CT build?
uncut schooner
After the vanish did you rewrite over the previous garrote?
balmy condor
looks fine @slim estuary
uncut schooner
Unless I'm dumb and wrong af p. sure you still want to go gar>env>gar after the vanish.
balmy condor
its fine
balmy condor
night night
dire spoke
reposting
balmy condor
dire spoke
balmy condor
strange python
Is that the troll rupture animation?
dire spoke
I'm troll yes
strange python
Did I witness a click vanish?
dire spoke
I click yes
strange python
10/10 watching on repeat
dire spoke
slim estuary
Ideally you would want gar>spender>gar after vanish but if I don't have it preloaded its better to gar>mut>gar or just gar>gar, right?
balmy condor
Gar>gar is Never optimal in theory
If you can gar-env-gar
That will be better
But if it doesn’t line up like that
It’s fine
I wouldn’t worry about it to much
Gar gar env is perfectly fine
dire spoke
it can happen that you have like 3cp before vanish if you're kinda slow or something was fucked
slim estuary
Cool thanks 🙂 is there a ct uptime I should aim for or is it more just whenever
dire spoke
always pet your cat 24/7
balmy condor
You keep up 100% of the time
But if it drops in your opener
Or in cds
Then it’s whatever
dire spoke
balmy condor
Just get it back up after the exsang
dire spoke
I kinda refresh it during vend
balmy condor
Yuh
dire spoke
oh I thought you were saying let it drop because env would hit harder or something
slim estuary
should i ever prioritise an env cast over ct
steep obsidian
lol i put serrated bone spike on the org training dummies on beta and its still ticking a week later
steep obsidian
i kind of like it as a covenant ability right now it does a lot of dam but that doesn't matter
it plays ok
fallow otter
Rogue class designer drinking pina coladas
balmy condor
Nah, a rogue class designer wouldn’t have brought back snd for sin and forced us into alacrity
I’m sure they don’t exist
The rogue class designers got shuffled onto DH
And now they have the hunters over here on rogue duty like “uhhh idk, they had slice and dice right? What’s up with that, can’t we give them that?”
fallow otter
Lol
floral shoal
I just hope we don't geht a proc ability like pistol shot. Let me juggle a couple de/buffs in peace, give me back disarm and maybe symbioses with our druid friends and call it a day.
balmy condor
Blindside already exists and looks good
shadow wedge
jovial forge
hi guys, i've noticed a few times that sometimes when I cast the crimson tempest spell my combo points are spent and the animation activate but the poison is not on the ennemies. Am i the only one or is it a well known bug ?
( its not a range problem btw)
fathom swift
it can get parried iirc
jovial forge
ok ty
jovial forge
indeed
fallow otter
Just gotta do your best to be behind
hexed shadow
How much haste is needed for exsang build to be viable in raids?
balmy condor
30%ish depending on azerite
hexed shadow
Oh hey @balmy condor haha
balmy condor
Hi :)
hexed shadow
I currently have 38% haste 37% mastery 33% crit. And no expedient corruptions yet
balmy condor
Do you have azerite tho
hexed shadow
Whats the recommended azerites for exsang btw hehe
balmy condor
3x SS, 2x HoD 1x BBI
hexed shadow
Oh cool yeah i have those azerite gears available :)
balmy condor
Are they similar ilvl to your current azerite?
hexed shadow
Hmm theyre all 465s azerites
hexed shadow
Aight ill try to sim it tomorrow when I get on. Thank you so much again for the help @balmy condor
balmy condor
Anytime brother
noble valve
as long as you have the traits itll outperform anything else tbh
even if youre at random ass stats
balmy condor
It definitely needs an amount of haste tho
Like if you’re crit stacking it’s not gonna go well
I’ve seen sims with crit stack dd/ttk and exsang just doesn’t happen until like exped18
noble valve
i run it with outlaw gear at 18% haste and its still better than anything else, but simming yourself is the best thing you can do
normal olive
noble valve
yeah i know
balmy condor
Oof
noble valve
and yet exsang>tb
sleek tusk
there's no haste minimum for the exsang build at all? i've been stuck playing double dose because i thought i needed more 
normal olive
Just sim it for yourself and see what it says 
olive gale
Is there a recommended opener for 2 boss fights? Specifically looking at M Vexiona with the ascendant and vex at pull.
normal olive
olive gale
Ive got the ST one on lockdown, and with 3+ targets I understand its 3 garrotes first
Just wasnt sure if its different with exactly 2 like on vex
olive gale
Thanks
umbral rapids
I assume gar 1 gar 2 gar 1?
scarlet sequoia
damn damn
rigid musk
Whats the better of Master Assassin or Subterfuge? Or are they fairly the same but with a slight rotation change?
quasi pewter
Master assassin only good with bad gear on pure st
rigid musk
Aright thanks 🙂
shrewd night
You heard it here first, MA going to be supergood first tier SL 
spice spire
somber bison
Ahem
crimson palm
You heard it here first, MA going to be supergood first tier SL :lmao:
@shrewd night assuming someone's crazy enough to play assa
strange python
assa will rise up you just wait 
wet ruin
what are people playing on beta now
strange python
windwalker
dense delta
Warrior
scarlet sequoia
agony
normal olive
dense delta
I just hope we are m+ meta again.
shrewd night
Our Lord and saviour leggo bracers will make assa return as execute class
Mark my words
strange python
wet ruin
so what are people playing now
shrewd night
...
strange python
windwalker
shrewd night
Idk man maybe you'll get an answer if you ask a fourth time
uncut schooner
Oof.
wet ruin
well, people were just trying to be funny man, idk
wet ruin
why not
fathom swift
I've been playing ret on the beta for that reason
turbid osprey
What’s not in yet?
shrewd night
Wdym why not
fathom swift
legendaries, conduits, one covenant
turbid osprey
Legendaries and such or?
strange python
i mean i did some rogue testing for the changes but fuck playing more than that without all the fun stuff
turbid osprey
Oh right wow that’s a lot
fathom swift
at least assa has all its talents, gotta look on the bright side 🙂
scarlet sequoia
🙏 for pre nerf sub boots
sullen pagoda
Locks are kinda abusing a bug thats getting fixed anyway so we gonna pump more right 
vast forum
we're gonna pump so much
that they'll nerf us just before the raid opens
and we'll be garbage tier
patent topaz
nerfed during 1st tier then irrelevant for the rest of the expansion 
strange python
cant nerf us if no one plays rogue
sullen pagoda
nah they heard all the complaints about meta changes in middle of tiers so they will nerf us in beta
lyric grail
yo what do i get now for expedient build i dont understand why not pure haste??? rank III
127.7k DPS: Expedient III x7 + Expedient II + Honed Mind III
127.5k DPS: Expedient III x7 + Expedient II + Racing Pulse III
127.3k DPS: Expedient III x9
why would honed mind III be best dps its mastery not haste
sullen pagoda
cuz your number is higher with honed mined than pulse 
normal olive
depends on what gear you personally have
strange python
exp3 is 20 corr
hm3 is 35 or so?
so to get to cap and not waste corr you go hm3
or rp3
plain thistle
yeah, people dont undestand that point per corruption expedient is better than honed mind, but you can only put 20 corruption (exp3) when with honed mind you can put 35 on a single piece
plain thistle
once our cloak get to max, we will have room to use more than a expedient rank 3 in one piece, and 1 honed mind rank 3 > 1 expedient rank 3
tropic ocean
so honed mind or racing pulse
plain thistle
yup
plain thistle
yeah, for now thats probably correct
strange python
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
normal olive
Yep so just keep simming what's best for you personally
lyric grail
okay i see .. ty its bec of cap .. when we will be fully resis? it keeps upgrading for every week ??
now my resis is 104
plain thistle
cap is 125, not sure if its mid september or november
lyric grail
what is this bullshit? so we have 1 month capped before shadowlands?
plain thistle
pre patch mythic plus, a place where fire mages doesnt actually melt everything
lyric grail
could anyone help me sim my char what i should farm for gear and i buy honed mind III and haste II now or not?
sullen pagoda
nah just do it all for him 
strange python
thats my 1 condition
normal olive
Where is Whispyr when you need him
lyric grail
im trying now to do that but it doesnt show my equipped gear
another question i saw in the guide it says haste > crit = mastery, does that mean i get all pieces haste/crit?
strange python
you need this addon
then type /simc ingame and copy the text to raidbots.com
it'll have all your equipped and all gear from your bags in it
if you have your bank open when doing the /simc thing it even adds things from your bank
normal olive
wait it does that? nice
lyric grail
okay so it just hast to be stat 1 haste then mastery or crit
normal olive
That would be ideal, the best way to go is just to sim what pieces are better for you
normal olive
just send the link
glad frigate
good morning
strange python
@lyric grail do you want your current best setup or when you can buy x exp3 or what exactly?
lyric grail
when i can buy x exp 3
south flicker
Hey everyone , just wondering, being a little behind on cloak and did some droptimizer sims. But cant seem to find like any descent upgrade, except late mythic drops or so anyone got an idea ill post Raidbots sim here 😄
normal olive
Yeah just post it ^^ just make it a top gear sim
south flicker
oh did a quick one 😮 dang want me to do a top one too ?
lyric grail
i know @strange python that i need raden head for shroud but its not dropping for me since week1
normal olive
Yeah a top sim is better for us to see
south flicker
oki ill do that 😄 TY
shrewd night
@lyric grail Wait, so youre telling me youve done raden since week one and it has never generated enough drops for either you to get one, or the spillover from other raiders to get to you? 
Thats unluck of sick proportions
lyric grail
no it dropped but not for me and peeps im doing hc (random) i dont have a guild .. are not giving it to me
i even extra loot there
shrewd night
Unlucky
strange python
this you can do right now tho: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5hEZhw5hQigZSyDNm82EcT
south flicker
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/54RqSd7jG9Kio4W8ZRLxUE @normal olive 😄
normal olive
you should try to get a better vita
lyric grail
okay ty little better but i dont have stygian guise 480
strange python
yea that really sucks
south flicker
@normal olive yeah unlucky with vita drops on pretty much all my chars xD
normal olive
You could try to get the right mechagon rings
Getting your cloak up to date is also a big one
strange python
Question: If I theoretically down N'zoth, do I even want the shoulders from him? The traits seem like ass
normal olive
didn' they have ss and hod?
strange python
Looks like DD or TTK
normal olive
Yeah currently not on my rogue so i can't look
opal minnow
likely good in prepatch too
strange python
Ahh yeah I was wondering about prepatch, think we'll all have to go back to TB build?
strange python
lol
opal minnow
prepatch is when you reroll dk/lock
strange python
I've been playing my rogue since wotlk, I'm not rerolling shit
strange python
That I can probably do
south flicker
@normal olive yeah, the cloak will be a help but not sure if i should swap something in corruption.. yeah the haste one would be good, is it actually worth getting kr trinket eventhough it is like 0,4% upgrade on sims baseline will probs be more if socketed but not sure since i also will lose one expedient r2 if i get new mecha haste ring and maybe 2 if i need attack from behind one too so not sure :p
normal olive
gotta get those sweet exp 3 ^^
south flicker
Yeah will need to get quite some echoes for those :p also maybe get echoes for when it is maxed for honed r3 i suppose if it is not prepatch by then :p
normal olive
You should sim if honed is better for you, because racing puls might be better
but gotta get the cloak up for that
south flicker
Yeah indeed, what does your rogue sim atm??
strange python
We have almost the same gear yet you do 3k dps more than me 😐
strange python
but its quick
normal olive
Just saying ^^ that might make the diffrence
strange python
Yeah probably. HOPEFULLY getting Ra-den helm tomorrow so that should be a nice big boost
spice spire
normal olive
Pug life making it hard
normal olive
gl with your chest then xD
dire spoke
normal olive
crimson palm
The one that sims the best
devout fiber
i mean i'm not that high ilvl
dire spoke
its probably breath, but only a wild guess
crimson palm
Ok
dire spoke
breath or flame
normal olive
yep
devout fiber
Did not know this
strange python
Yessir
Probably best to stick with one spec for the time being though
If you try and gear up two at a time you'll just be behid
behind*
devout fiber
Well the thing is
I've been doing mythic dungeons
and my damage is seriously slacking especially in aoe
I've been told outlaw rogue would help
So i was thinking of switching to outlaw
Or maybe i'm just not playing assa rogue right
My friend's been watching twitch streamers and they all run outlaw rogue for mythics
dire spoke
sin needs alot of components to be on par and beyond with outlaw
devout fiber
Considering i'm only 433 ilvl
should I just switch to outlaw and reforge all my shit?
and maybe go back to assa when i have higher ilvl
Or would I not even see a high dmg difference
dire spoke
Does it really matter for the last few month?
strange python
It doesn’t really matter in this case. You’re going to be doing insignificant content until you gear up no matter what. So play what’s fun
little fiber
In terms of the crit build, is getting rank 2 on the rogue in itself smarter so I skip some pointless grind on a diff character that I already have rank 2 on or is the rank 3 worth it?
devout fiber
@strange python gotcha
strange python
Outlaw is fun if you enjoy using the same ability over and over again waiting and praying for a good proc
normal olive
Thought about cleansing a exp 3 for 2 exp 2, then i realized it's the same if i just keep exp 3 and add a exp 1
big brain
strange python
only for it to proc after you kill the pack/boss and then have to run around trying to utilize it
devout fiber
@strange python could u explain the rotation I should be taking for aoe?
I stealth and garrote 2 mobs then Rupture a 3rd
strange python
for sin?
devout fiber
yeah
devout fiber
Right so it's how I thought
dire spoke
there is also help in the pinned messages of this channel
random raft
Does arcane torrent restore energy even if you don’t purge any effects?
normal olive
yes
random raft
Hot dog I had no idea
dire spoke
it's why people use it in their opener rotation
normal olive
yeah
dire spoke
yeah
normal olive
that's why belf is not a hot dog atm
strange python
stuck merlin
how many targets should I rupture in aoe scenarios
eg when theres like 4 mobs
and when theres like 8
royal lantern
like
i really dont care about racials and stuff
and say 99,9999%should not care
but isnt orc like, 1 of the worst races possible?
mediocre for pet classes, and no gain for anything else
hallow coyote
Racial throughput difference is extremely negligible
Hardiness is good for PVP, Blood Fury is a 2 min throughput CD that you can just Macro with Vendetta and forget about
royal lantern
racial difference is like....1k max bettwen the absolute worst and absolute best in a 100%uptime patchwork sim
ofc racials dont mean shit dps wise lel
hallow coyote
Pick whichever one you think looks coolest I M O
strange python
but i cant pick tauren
dire spoke
idk if troll or belf really helps with haste 70%+ and GCB
or if it flatlines at some point
runic kiln
versmastery leech corruption LOL
dire spoke
royal lantern
they have....1%crit....wich is a thing a shitton of races have.....
there is 1 spec where belf makes a difference
and thats frost dk with breath, and thats more because breath is a degen gameplay
woeful wigeon
lvling a new rogue assa horde for pve /raid best racials or class atm for shadowlands
royal lantern
dire spoke
so what does horde have left, zandalari and orc
royal lantern
embrace your inner UwU and go vulpera
and realise that the passive is actually busted for tanks, but nobody cares cus it doesnt show up in dps meters
royal lantern
nah like
ilginoth is the best example
when yor tank is a vulpera, its possible that racial passive is #1 or #2 dmg prevented lel
gray hazel
you pop this before Van/Ven right?
royal lantern
with vendetta
dire spoke
Why is ilgy special with bag
gray hazel
So ven -> trink -> Vanish?
uncut schooner
What the fuck lol
royal lantern
@dire spoke bag is the active, nose for trouble is the passive
lone junco
wot
vast forum
there was a critter next to you
dire spoke
vast forum
and in low lvl zones, their dmg taken is increased due to stat squishes
just check damaged enemies
median badge
RIP moth
uncut schooner
Still tickled me a little when I saw the numbers.
vast forum
i used to abuse that for 1-shotting people for the memes 😄
proc folly on outlaw
1-shot 3 moths
then hit someone and 1-shot them
vast forum
if you're unlikely to replace it with a 475 soon, yes
median badge
Probably unlikely. We’ll see what I get from box
weary badger
hi guys
how do you time your BoTE rotation?
its so awkward
do i wait the 30 seconds til next vend
do i cast it with 2nd exsang and vend 30 secs later
tranquil stirrup
Hi, do I understand correctly, I should focus on Haste + Crit on my stats ? ( Raidbot told me - Haste 5.92, Critical Strike 5.81, Mastery 5.51, Versatility 5.37)
And is there a cap on each of them ? Like If I have x amount Haste (or any other stat ) it`s enough and I should focus other stats after ?
dire spoke
you hold it into vanish
young dust
hey guys! how accurate is the "Dungeon slice" simulation for assassination? should I use it for simulating M+ or another option?
strange python
@tranquil stirrup Stat weights are largely useless when optimizing Gear. Or at least faar from perfect
Read this If you are interested
thats a lie by big sim to sell more premium accs
gotta use top gear
As for the Rest: just regularily sim all your (relevant) available Gear via top gear, and do the Same with enchants and Gems
I was under the assumption that whole guilds just share one Premium Account all the time :D
plain thistle
especially now with % stats corruption where 1 point of haste isnt actually just 1 point
it can mislead to something like "haste is showing as my worst status why everyone is stacking haste?"
cinder ferry
Does anyone know if its better to cast blood of the enemy before or after my vendetta/trinket macro?
strange python
Which build are you running
cinder ferry
tb
strange python
Ermm it's been a hot minute, but I think you bote after vend/trink, and before TB?
vend tb blood vanish env
me think
void sinew
is this for opener
strange python
That's with MA as well
get outta here
lol
i mean
if you play tb you like have shit gear and likely play MA very likely
tropic charm
So sims is telling me to do R26 of expedient but I feel like that’s way too high?
I’m currently at R23 of it but isn’t there a point where it starts to fall off?
normal olive
i run 8x exp 3
tropic charm
I’m currently at 7 R3, 1 R2, and as I stated previously, Sims is telling to now run 8 R3 and 1 R2
burnt dome
Pinned guide mentions 9x exp 3 even
normal olive
Well that's with max corruption
tropic charm
Oh shoot. I ask because last time I checked it said 7 R3, 1R2, and a honed mind
normal olive
that's also with max corruption
normal olive
Just gotta sim it
it's gonna be diffrent for everyone because people have diffrent gear
burnt dome
True
tribal marlin
Hi koek
vast forum
koek Pog
crimson palm
Hm is pretty consistent
crimson palm
It doesn't matter, the variance of the dps distribution is probably the same
tropic ocean
it does matter
and i dont see how u can argue consistency on proc vs flat incraese
🤷
crimson palm
Please tell me more about statistics
tranquil stirrup
How to choose which build to go for ? (Expedient or Crit ? )
asking for my low geared (456iLVL) rogue
lone junco
some people like the RNG boners of 11 stars procs in the first minute of a fight.
lone junco
I enjoy Ineffable on hpal. Makes me dance during wings.
tranquil stirrup
i`ll be more focusing on raiding , with a bit of M+ too
normal olive
The exp would be the way to go
tranquil stirrup
is there a short answer why Shrouded suff x3 is the way to go ?
normal olive
Because with high haste you'll go Exang and it's just good
lone junco
in keys it makes more sense.
lone junco
lots of restealths, with muti dot open. and no cooldown required for big damage
tropic ocean
also with 3 ss 3hod or 3 ss 2 hod 1 bbi and expedients
tranquil stirrup
i see
tropic ocean
u have 1 set that will do you for raiding
tranquil stirrup
i` will read the guide thats under the pin
tropic ocean
and m+ up to 25s 26s
tranquil stirrup
Thank you
tropic ocean
maybe even higher, but since ppl dont do higher keys on expedient set with sin yet no data to support it
tranquil stirrup
I was wondering why i see so many Rogues with Shrouded suff in Warcraaft Logs under Nyalotha
^^
tropic ocean
but i'd guess if u want to do 27s and 28s you're better off playing outlaw anway
anyway
stable radish
Taking a look at Mainx's wonderful guide, he mentions a macro that uses GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow") but what does this actually do? What is the "double clicks" he mentions?
tropic ocean
it shows how much time your spellq is set too
you know sometimes when u press a skill and it doesnt happen (due to lag)?
difference spellq times can fix that depending on your ping
stable radish
gotcha, is this the same a the "lag tolerance" setting in advanced interface options?
tropic ocean
idk
normal olive
wait so with a 10 ping would i want a higher or lower spell queue?
tropic ocean
lower
crimson palm
It doesn't make a diff for rogues with a fixed gcd
lone junco
I remembered typical guidance is to leave it alone
tropic ocean
depends on what kind of player you are
if you hammer your keys
you might alter it
strange python
I've definitely had spells not go off before
tropic ocean
if you dont might leave it
strange python
And I am a hammerer
lone junco
but for me, high haste, rdruid or hpal, I have some que problems when tabbing through players.
lone junco
wind up double shocking or skipping over a person
strange python
Had a few times where I THOUGHT I vend'd before Vanish and it just never went off
lone junco
but stuff gets crazy at high haste anyway.
lone junco
what about low ping low iq?
lone junco
Google fiber keeps me real low.
i doubt i could do moonkin at high haste without a spellq. hits 196% at lust and shits flying.
balmy condor
Wrong channel guys :)
lone junco
noted
stable radish
Yeah I think the AdvancedInterfaceOptions addons does what the macro is trying to do also, here's the tooltip at least
tropic ocean
little root
so
after 4 min the sim shows some wack things imo or is that normal
@4:21 to be exact
fossil flare
balmy condor
Well I guess that’s actually maybe fine
little root
yea jsut starts being weird with the exsang... it might be? just seems super odd
balmy condor
@fleet anchor correct me if I’m wrong here
fleet anchor
YOUR WRONG
balmy condor
Okay sounds good
little root
He has spoken
fleet anchor
What's up?
balmy condor
Look at the sim
4:21
Exsang into a vanish
I think it’s fine because exsang isn’t a damage increase
Should be Fine me thinks cause it’s using the haste from CLF instead of snapshotting at low value?
Or something
I just woke up you can do words better than me
little root
i think it might just be a weird timing thing
fleet anchor
I've seen it happen when things get desynced in a funny way, it's on my list to look at
Probably just going to add an !exsanguinated.garrote check to Vanish
balmy condor
Would that fix it? It seems like it lets the garrote tick out right
fleet anchor
Vanish usually only checks if Garrote is refreshable (in pandemic)
balmy condor
Is my math bad
little root
it also held off on using GCB it looks like
balmy condor
Yeah that part is kinda troll imo
fleet anchor
Because it was Exsanguinated most likely
little root
yea i dont like using gcb anyways, was just simming stuff for fun
doesnt look like it was unless im blind
fleet anchor
I'd have to look at the live solution, been in beta branch for a while
little root
little root
we dont blame you
hollow jolt
What corruptions will we run on cloak cap?
balmy condor
7x exped3, 1x exped2, 1x hm3 or rp3
hollow jolt
sounds about what I had in mind. no gushing on 485s tho?
fleet anchor
I can't seem to reproduce this issue, the timing just must be super unlikely lol
fleet anchor
And yeah the GCB being held there is because Rupture is still Exsanguinated. I'm going to check to see if it's worth it when Garrote has a pmultiplier even if that is true
strange python
Can I post mythic boss questions in this channel or should it be somewhere else
balmy condor
No you can post questions in here about the boss
If it’s a General like “how do we do raden orbs”
That should probably go to #wow-general
475 plumage is very hype
twilit ginkgo
fuck yah
strange python
Yeah it's more like things to cloak, where you can feint to kind of negate stuff, etc
For Vex, is there anything in particular I should be saving cloak for? On heroic I usually save it for that move where everyone has to run out
twilit ginkgo
feint is one of my favorite abilities not gonna lie
the big AOE in last phase is good to use cloak on
I think lol
fleet anchor
But anyway.. just tested some APL changes and there is statistically no difference in making them so I might add it just so the list looks nicer sometimes but realistically it doesn't matter since it's so rare for that timing to happen
balmy condor
You can also cloak to put puddles into puddles
strange python
Yeah that's the ability I mean. I was reading up on it though and it sounds like you want classes with immunities to soak the attack she puts around one of the tanks
So I just wasn't sure if that's the actual strat or if it matters much
twilit ginkgo
yeah I think cloak works on that
balmy condor
You can do both
twilit ginkgo
it doesn't matter if ur raid teams damage is decent
cause fight ends before that's an issue
my guild just soaks it with the whole raid every time at this point
rigid eagle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c79BS4NHdPt7bHx7pTBFru finally got 480 Gorak Tul and more agility, but WV is still simming higher than Blood...
balmy condor
Truly cursed
strange python
Got it. So I can probably get away with just cloaking the big aoe that you have to run from?
balmy condor
Yeah should be fine
strange python
Roger that
For Shad, does cloak break the movement debuff if you get the add on ya?
Or do we have anything to break that
rigid eagle
draenic living action potion?
balmy condor
Now that’s a throwback
main warren
Vanish will put it on someone else 
strange python
^now that's what I'm looking for
main warren
big true
rigid eagle
yo @balmy condor https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8H5J7rLgEkDHm5WrzQSGQN blood actually catches up in 3 min fights
balmy condor
Yeah makes sense
rigid eagle
wait but even if i don't run WV im still stuck with GCB...
even if i'm only using gcb with every vanish, 475 gcb is still more dmg than 465 plumage right
short lance
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Ld6jtL81SB2vjVN5Ai4jH
Hey guys. I've just started raiding again after a long break to push M+ and I don't have the expedients for exhang build yet. What (if anything) can I do to increase this?
Thank you 😄
twilit ginkgo
u should prolly swap to a shrouded suffocation on your chest
even if just for the combo point gen I think it's worth it
twilit ginkgo
that's surprising interesting
short lance
I've hit a wall i think with this build
balmy condor
Yeah SS won’t sim higher that’s expected value
This is pretty well optimized though not gonna lie
twilit ginkgo
I just ran a sim myself and honestly I'm a bit confused by it. It is saying galecallers is better than plumage at 475 for both trinkets both have sockets. Also saying that 465 gorak is worse than 475 tassled in shoulders. The other pieces are just more corruption so that makes sense https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6eFvyaYb7wPJ4xyRYLGRYf
balmy condor
Yeah @short lance with your current gear I’m not finding much
I ran a couple sims but they all came up empty handed
I didn’t go super deep into it but I’d tend to agree that your current gear is best in bag
@twilit ginkgo gale simming higher than plumage is expected, and 480 tasseled simming higher than 465 gorak is also expected
Nothing weird there
short lance
Yeah i've tried pretty much everything I can with the current gear i've got.
So i'm pretty happy you think its well optimised. thanks 🙂
twilit ginkgo
will gale sim worse when I get more haste % I take it
balmy condor
Getting more exped makes haste better
balmy condor
The fact that you don’t have to cast it every minute and stand in it
twilit ginkgo
gotcha lol
balmy condor
But DPS wise, on a dummy
strange python
Plumage is just easier to use
balmy condor
Strictly worse
twilit ginkgo
so even tho it sims better it may not actually be better in practice basically
strange python
ja
gleaming viper
hi guys, can we pre-cos anguish on nzoth in P2 ?
balmy condor
I think you can normal cloak it
Don’t quote me on it
People were talking about it yesterday
Wait nvm they were talking bout elusiveness for it
That’s my bad
gleaming viper
yeah was looking