twin flare
Fucking wierd
#assassination
scarlet sequoia
who knows
obtuse island
Should I stick with Assa for mythic Vex or drop to Outlaw?
crimson palm
reroll to windwalker
strange python
ancient whale
I recently started playing bleed build. I get that i use vanish after my initial garrote falls off, but whats next? New empowered garrote, rupture, garrote?
naive lynx
Do I need to buy Racing Pulse III this week?
@ancient whale You don't overwrite exsanguated rupture, just build combo points so you can put up a new Rupture
I think by the time you vanish+garotte you still have your exsanguated rupture, and you don't want to overwrite that
ancient whale
Envenom then?
naive lynx
Envenom, but make sure you don't waste time building combo points while not having Rupture up
ancient whale
kk, thx
naive lynx
Make sure you instantly put a new Rupture after you let the other one fall out
ancient whale
roger
naive lynx
Subtetly didn't work out? 😄
naive lynx
Well assuming by your name's color you play Subtetly, aren't you?
Yeaaah, but I need exp3 and its coming 08.12
mellow pier
@naive lynx then u will get a month or 2 with it before u revert back to TB/PB
Feelsbad
Well "Shiv"
mellow pier
Just stack all exp2 til then
naive lynx
I really don't, I don't even have BiS items yet, so I have time
but SL comes in November isn't it?
or it's estimated
mellow pier
Prepatch will be 1 to 1.5months before
naive lynx
ohh
mellow pier
And they remove corruptions then
mellow pier
Prob under 100k
But tbh unless ur raiding mythic and even then it doesnt matter
If u just want something for SL u can just get whatever now and it wont matter for SL
robust light
doesnt look right having so much crit and barely any other stats
raven locust
Are you playing Severe/Strikethrough Assass?
robust light
@frozen slate not fully
best i have, only just started playing again since before the vendor came in
raven locust
life of an Expedient build
naive lynx
how much exp. you running?
naive lynx
Not you 😄
robust light
oh lul
naive lynx
@raven locust
raven locust
6 Expedients and 2 Severe
raven locust
lmao
I sim a little more with full Expedients but I use the Severe pieces for Outlaw, i'll link the sim shortly
naive lynx
Aah okay
strange python
would you like some fries to your sim
whole swallow
Could anyone post your dungeon slice sim for assassination?
I wanna see how much damage is geared assassinations doing in reference to outlaw
raven locust
Sure just a moment, your order will be ready shortly
whole swallow
Thank you sir
naive lynx
😄
raven locust
My setup isn't ideal for M+ since you want full crit+strikethrough but the damage is still very nice
naive lynx
Whispyr have you betrayed us?
balmy condor
No
raven locust
Need next week to come for Strikethrough for my M+ Assass and Outlaw setups
raven locust
I linked a ST one above
wind totem
Is dungeon slie the prefered way to sim to check for upgrades for m+? I heard before that 4 targets patchwerk for 90 seconds is better.
balmy condor
I got put in the dog house by koffing
naive lynx
balmy condor
Yeah 4-6 target 1-1:30 length is how I sim
Dungeonslice is fine for what it does
But like most other multi-target sims it comes with a downside
raven locust
For ST you just use 8 Expedients and stack Haste with crit secondary and some mastery/vers
balmy condor
And the downside here is that it doesn’t really like aoe that much
whole swallow
Hmm
balmy condor
Add corruption
whole swallow
Blood of the enemy for both st and aoe?
naive lynx
i want to sim my gear now if I had all Exp3 corruptions on them
wind totem
blood of the enemy is insane so yes
balmy condor
Clf for ST
naive lynx
can I do that?
balmy condor
But bote is good
raven locust
Adds corruption or overrides current corruption with cleansing @naive lynx
raven locust
Its how many corruptions
whole swallow
For pvp what stats?
honest basin
The number is how many you add
raven locust
1-9
whole swallow
Vers/Haste?
naive lynx
oh okay I got it
whole swallow
Thanks so much
naive lynx
so @balmy condor does Racing Pulse III work? Do I need it?
raven locust
It's not very good
balmy condor
It works but I wouldn’t suggest it
naive lynx
the RNG factor is not very liked, huh
balmy condor
It’s a good filler set
raven locust
If you're going for raid DPS you go Expedient in every slot
balmy condor
I mean kinda
With current resistance yes
But racing pulse can sim highest after that point
naive lynx
uh
naive lynx
okay 😄
mystic osprey
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
raven locust
You sure racing pulse is good later on? I'm pretty close to full BIS and it's a sizable DPS loss unless you mean at 125 resistance?
balmy condor
After you fill 7x exped 3 and 1x exped 2
balmy condor
Some people sim higher RP3
Some with HM3
I think it sways more in favour of HM3
But RP is fine
It’s still giga haste and with all the exped it’s pretty nuts
strange python
how do u guys enchant your weps?
balmy condor
It just overcaps you
strange python
based on waht
raven locust
Force Multi can sim better with very low ilvl but usually not
raven locust
Shrouded and TTK
whole swallow
Breath essence?
raven locust
Yes
whole swallow
3 each?
raven locust
if you can
balmy condor
NP is decent too
strange python
ss is must ye?
raven locust
It's not a must but it;s the best
naive lynx
what's the highest sim there is yet for ST?
naive lynx
Kaiteh uses 7 exp3 and 1exp 1 not 2
peak smelt
remember your neck adds 800-1k dps per level too.
naive lynx
oh
normal olive
With some work on the opener people could reach 130k
naive lynx
8 exp3
whole swallow
Is worldvein ever worth picking vs clf in st
normal olive
whole swallow
Assuming you have 3 allies
raven locust
No it's not worth
balmy condor
@whole swallow if it’s simming higher yeah
WV is pretty okay
But blood will be easier to use
raven locust
Maybe if they're lower geared, havent seen WV seem good in a while
balmy condor
So if it’s only a couple hundred dps
I would pick it
Worldvein still sims really well for people
There’s a guy in here with a chinese name who sims higher with WV
And it’s hilarious
raven locust
ah
naive lynx
what's the highest I can go without any mthic raid pieces? I don't think I'm ever gonna be invited to one in my life 😄
steep obsidian
i dont think bothered with it since the start of the tier
balmy condor
No idea marky
steep obsidian
its annoying as hell on most bosses to use properly
strange python
How would one sim hivemind? Patchwork with 2 bosses?
balmy condor
100k should be doable though
I would still sim patchwork tbh
You just play single target
steep obsidian
you arent there to do anything but whack the bosses and the high prio mobs on hivemind as sin
balmy condor
But you cleave the subterfuge garrotes
strange python
Boi that's what you think
raven locust
Are you progressing on Hive?
steep obsidian
the mages dh and hunters will just destor them without wrecking their single target
raven locust
Are adds not dying?
strange python
Yes
balmy condor
Which ones
raven locust
If you find yourself on adds a lot maybe a Beastlord sim could be of benefit
strange python
Mainly darters/ravagers
oblique lark
Hi, everyone, let me introduce the translation of my guide to assassination rogue, written a few months ago for Russian Discord of rogues. There you will find information about "Expedient" and "Crit" raid builds, as well as mini-guide for keys. Have a nice reading 🙂 (upd. 14.08)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P4P8-aurZoiuvb5NzCwJ4X5A8NGhpzh1ZPkFiKluvkY/edit?usp=sharing
strange python
I hard swap to ravager
steep obsidian
shrouded plays pretty well on the fight always at least 3 things to garrote
balmy condor
That sounds like not something you can fix
steep obsidian
id just sim 2 or 3 tarets maybe
crimson palm
@oblique lark did you not end up playing font
steep obsidian
i guess you could run breath of dying build to trim and snipe adds but that doesnt seem like its worth it just get the mages to not suck
strange python
I'm more concerned with simmin some guildies
Trying to squeeze everything I can out of them but not sure what modifiers to put on the sim
oblique lark
im still playing with font on fast fights
steep obsidian
ahh
steep obsidian
that sounds terrible
normal olive
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dGcBYxkvX46AocRz14Ko4b @naive lynx that's where i'm at with no mythic raiding yet
strange python
Beastlord 1 boss or two
balmy condor
2
strange python
ty bby
crimson palm
I've tried it with Plumage and still pulled ahead
balmy condor
Np boo
steep obsidian
thats a beefy sim for no mythic gear
crimson palm
But only with full Exp pieces, at 59 (-1 item) it falls down
normal olive
Well i have mythic boe boots but that's it
balmy condor
You’re telling me there’s more than just rings that drop?
strange python
belieb it or not
normal olive
Well the only thing i get are caster offhands
The boe ring dropped for a buddy yesterday and he gave it to me for free
strange python
The boots are nice too
balmy condor
Lmao
strange python
OH NICE IT CAME WITH A SOCKET TOO
normal olive
yeah i hear that all the time xD
balmy condor
We do that as a meme
naive lynx
@normal olive can you send me one like Kaiteh did? sorry, it's just more organized
Top gear
strange python
balmy condor
I have it open on a tab
I would need to get out of bed though
And that’s difficult
scarlet sequoia
: o
balmy condor
!razsim
normal olive
@naive lynx in a minute
crimson palm
@strange python do you have 34% crit
naive lynx
there he is again 😦
balmy condor
He does that
naive lynx
he is teasing us so bad
naive lynx
drop their bras
naive lynx
where does he live 🙂
I'll get it
@normal olive what's up with the mechagon rings my dude
balmy condor
Yo don’t flame him like that damn
naive lynx
balmy condor
normal olive
1.5k more
balmy condor
normal olive
let's hope i get all the loots in my first mythic raid today
balmy condor
Didn’t you do Maut last night
normal olive
that was last weeks id
normal olive
EU boi
fleet anchor
Guide is good stuff, thanks for the writeup 😄
tropic ocean
guide pinned that doesnt recommend 34% crit
fleet anchor
(Cleaning up some of the older pins too since some of it isn't applicable anymore)
tropic ocean
x doubt
normal olive
tropic ocean
😄
balmy condor
It’s not really “new”
fleet anchor
Ironically
balmy condor
It’s just a translated version
tropic ocean
its just way more indepth and covers a lot more stuff
balmy condor
Yeah
tropic ocean
than raz guide so noobs can be redirected
spice spire
It’s very in depth
fleet anchor
The writeup from Raz was a quick guide to get people moving on the transition, this one is pretty in-depth yeah
I reviewed it last night, it's well put together
balmy condor
CT simming higher at 50% tho seems low from what I’ve seen
But aside from a couple weird numbers it’s really good
And those breakpoints aren’t hard set
So can’t really argue
fleet anchor
Yeah I mean he definitely outlines a few places that simming to be sure is the main way to accomplish things
I think he hits all the key points quite well and it's pretty comprehensive about options
balmy condor
Yeah for sure
tropic ocean
I really enjoy our guide
fleet anchor
The main thing the guide is missing is the part where you force the game to give you Vita + Overwhelming Power procs on the pull before your first Exsanguinate
crimson palm
That doesn't happen
balmy condor
fleet anchor
I had a perfect Vita proc during my Shadhar last night and the difference in opener damage is so ridiculous lol
crimson palm
I'm waiting for some of the ching chongs to do it
shut garnet
but i highly doubt u can hit 800 lol
normal olive
wait, even if i don't fuck up my opener i reach like max 250k 
fleet anchor
Rather than the somewhat arbitrary peaks in the WCL graphs
oblique lark
if u want w8 vita and op proc before 1st exs, so u can w8 bote haste proc too)
fleet anchor
I usually look at the Garrote damage in the first 40s or so
balmy condor
Only a million
crimson palm
don't think it's worth fishing for the proc
fleet whale
how do i set up raidbots so that it will use the Night elf night buff? (1% haste)
shut garnet
@oblique lark should consider writing guides every tier u can be asked to buddy, it's really good stuff)
balmy condor
If it happens that’s kinda big
crimson palm
it doesn't necessarily have to proc in the first X seconds of the fight
balmy condor
Translating guides is a lot of work
strange python
is there a reason why my clf does way less dmg than my quick sim against target dummy?
ingame: azerite spike 648k, volley: 64k,
quick sim: azerite spike 713k, volley: 90k,
balmy condor
You aren’t lusting
balmy condor
Yep
fleet whale
it's why target dummies are a really bad benchmark for dps
fleet anchor
On Shadhar last night I did quite literally 50% of my damage in lust with a 2:37 fight duration lol
strange python
i selected target dummy in the sim doesnt it take those buffs out?
balmy condor
Nope the options for buff are below that
steep obsidian
soo umm sin rogues gonna have to bribe the priests for PI in slands obv
normal olive
Whispyr wanna see last weeks skitra opener i just found? 
balmy condor
Please no
steep obsidian
lines up perfectly with cds so of course only rogues should get it
tropic ocean
but I guess its less rng
crimson palm
@fleet anchor try the 5x Exp 1x Stars III on doggo
strange python
so would u say clf is simbait and i should prefer bote? or just trust sims
normal olive
was just trying to find the highest opener burst
balmy condor
I like CLF
crimson palm
apparently it's giga good
fleet anchor
I might give it a shot next week yeah
fleet anchor
Last night's pull was rank 50 or something so I don't need to fish for a decent pull now, I can try some stuff 😄
balmy condor
You don’t have to pre-pull
steep obsidian
yah
balmy condor
You can cast before the vendetta
strange python
ye but as far as i heard its just a minimal gain
balmy condor
And it’s fine
crimson palm
@tropic ocean https://clips.twitch.tv/RenownedJazzyQuailTheRinger cuz of this
steep obsidian
thats what i do
tropic ocean
who cares
steep obsidian
not that im playing rogue that much
fleet anchor
thing from beyond...
mystic osprey
@normal olive share that opener.
oblique lark
@shut garnet i do it for russian community, i'll think about translation 🙂
tropic ocean
flame healers
balmy condor
Don’t encourage him @mystic osprey
crimson palm
im rank 30 atm, don't think it's possible to push higher ranks unless giga rng
like first 15 are stars/tas
fleet anchor
Funny I actually got a quadruple proc last night
normal olive
why did i vanish there
fleet anchor
I had 4 on my screen at the same time on Xanesh.. it was wild
balmy condor
God damnit
fleet anchor
World's fastest legendary cloak activation lol
steep obsidian
I havent tested it but a guildy said if you run up to an dtank one oft hem the rest despawn
does that actually work?
i dont think they were trollin
mystic osprey
Hahaha.
crimson palm
the fun part is i had 2x procs just before this
where i used my leg cloak
couldnt fit all of them in a clip
fleet anchor
Since I play Hunter in my spare time and the TfB AI spaz's out sometimes when you FD
balmy condor
Well then he doesn’t know how tfb works I guess
normal olive
They don't despawn i allways run into them if i get 4 to spawn
balmy condor
Cause they definitely don’t respawn when you hit them
steep obsidian
yeah ive seen that
balmy condor
That would be silly
steep obsidian
on my hunter too
lean marten
@tropic ocean not even fully socketed what are u a casual?
crimson palm
I had it happen on nzoth couple of times where they just despawn without vanish
scarlet sequoia
if you have 2 or more thing from beyonds active at once then yes tanking 1 of them will make the other 2 despawn most of the time, there are random exceptions
steep obsidian
there is deffo something weird that happens with them sometimes
balmy condor
Bugs for sure
fleet anchor
Primarily when multiple spawn at the same time, they have very odd behavior
steep obsidian
i dont play tfb on anything hard on sin rogue coz fuck that
fleet anchor
I've definitely seen it where if there are multiple up at the same time that just barreling into one can make the other disappear at times
steep obsidian
on hunter its so easy you could deak with 5 at a tie
fleet anchor
But it's not 100% or anything
balmy condor
I think it has to do with them hitting at similar times or something
And then it only counts 1
steep obsidian
^ i think thats hat they were talking about
fleet anchor
Technically it's an AoE trigger
steep obsidian
maybe they can do it reliably
fleet anchor
And a lot of 🍝
balmy condor
Yeah I’ve looked at it
lean marten
i miss when they would randomly miss and do nothing
steep obsidian
did they invite more people to beta this week?
balmy condor
They constantly invite to beta
steep obsidian
i still dont know anyone who is in at all and most of us normally get it pretty early
balmy condor
My friend got in on a Sunday night
steep obsidian
cool
balmy condor
Go into bot spam and hit !subtlety
normal olive
balmy condor
fleet anchor
Beta invites are so sloooow compared to BfA alpha/beta
tropic ocean
@lean marten just cba what to do
fleet anchor
It's definitely a little odd
tropic ocean
already started alt raid cuz wow is so boring
fleet anchor
Blizzard did the big CE invite wave 2 weeks before the end of alpha for BfA
tropic ocean
progressing nzoth on warlock on saturday random raid soon dead then completely bored until sl
steep obsidian
at least its a decent week to do keys and i have a group who want to pusha few this week
lean marten
for raiders after CE might as well unsub till prepatch unless u want to play with friends
imo
steep obsidian
we have the n'zoth skip no one even wants to kill half the bosses
which im ok with
fk xanesh
fleet anchor
lol I hate Xanesh
crimson palm
300 CE guilds vs 1K
oblique lark
balmy condor
umbral rapids
lean marten
wtf is that
fleet anchor
Well at the time they did the invites in alpha last time
It would have been around 600 Argus guilds
spice spire
steep obsidian
we gotta farm mounts for everyone
fleet anchor
Realistically Blizzard is probably holding back invites because the game isn't really in a true beta state yet right now
Has a lot of missing content
steep obsidian
and i got it early so if i ditched id feel ike an abslute ass
and my guild would hate me to boot
fleet anchor
And some classes (like Rogue) are basically totally incomplete
lean marten
im salty that Ion claimed "beta means feature complete" and they went into "beta" missing tons of druid and rogue shit
fleet anchor
Really the game is still alpha 😦
tropic ocean
hopefully rogue gets top melee dps
so hate on reddit and forum can switch from dh to rogue
^_^
crimson palm
melee always op first tier
fleet anchor
People still hate Rogue
lean marten
just seems like a disconnect from game director to reality which is spooky
tropic ocean
^lol'd
fleet anchor
Even when we are not that strong
steep obsidian
rogues have never been terrible tbh
steep obsidian
just not fotm that regularly
fleet anchor
They will still be like
OMG A ROGUE GANKED ME IN STV ONCE 12 YEARS AGO FUUUUUCK ROGUES
lean marten
rogues do it from behind 
fleet anchor
Melee DPS always get the double standards
normal olive
fleet anchor
Warlocks OP every tier? Fine
steep obsidian
fuck zul was great fun
fleet anchor
Rogues OP on one boss? Nerf immediately.
steep obsidian
pity they killed sub rogue after it
tropic ocean
think their logic is that breaking a fight = bad
being completely op on every fight = fine
lean marten
i wouldn't say killed but def cut off its legs
fleet anchor
lol the funny part is that Sub on Zul
Was no more broken than Warlock on half the fights in the game
fleet anchor
Rogues definitely started in a decent place coming out of alpha
tropic ocean
what?
crimson palm
if u were getting benched just git gud
fleet anchor
We just got brutalized by Uldir hotfixes
tropic ocean
rogue above average
fleet anchor
Sub literally got nerfed
tropic ocean
sub was in statistics above average cuz of zul
tropic ocean
and sin was bottom tier
fleet anchor
I don't think Rogues were generally getting benched in Uldir but by the end of the tier we weren't all that super strong
After all the hotfix battle damage
tropic ocean
without zul
sub rogue down down down down down
2/3 specs lower third =//= above average
crimson palm
you've 2 rogue specs in top 5
crimson palm
a frost dk at the top
fleet anchor
Basically Sub Rogues doing top DPS on Heroic Fetid and MOTHER was enough to get them nerfed twice in 2 weeks. 🤔
tropic ocean
why u think frost dk is on top?
crimson palm
let's see, because he's doing the most damage seems like a pretty good idea no?
tropic ocean
xd
crimson palm
sort of like these fire mages now
normal olive
fleet anchor
Rogue was good in Uldir if you spec swapped a lot
tropic ocean
uldir rankings are heavily influenced by some encounters
on a certain class
e.g. rogue zul
dk mother
and so on
crimson palm
tropic ocean
- the encounters absolutely limiting melee slots
crimson palm
9 melee specs in the top half
tropic ocean
e.g. fetid, mythrax
fleet anchor
A bunch of data has been purged/gone missing
balmy condor
remove my damage
fleet anchor
For older tiers
bleak spoke
sin caught a bunch of nerfs too but i think it was cuz of pvp
crimson palm
y but still, first tier melee = gucci
bleak spoke
and just spilled over
tropic ocean
fine yes
warm parcel
ss was nerfed when they finally made it function
warm parcel
no clue how it came as a surprise it was broken as it was
fleet anchor
Like look at Heroic:
tropic ocean
to death
fleet anchor
tropic ocean
overall stats show frost dk broken
fleet anchor
The whole 8.0 segment is basically gone
fleet anchor
Have to look at 8.1
balmy condor
tropic ocean
decet
bleak spoke
and then that caught nerfs too
tropic ocean
strong on zekvoz
bleak spoke
like a trait got nuked
warm parcel
and smash doing x more dmg and granting extra rage
fleet anchor
Honestly Uldir was one of the first tiers that really exposed how misleading WCL aggregate "All Bosses" view really was
tropic ocean
^this
warm parcel
can we just start ignoring wcl
bleak spoke
man honestly though big sad on tfd going from crit to haste
warm parcel
especially now that the rules have gone ballistic
tropic ocean
if pre-nerf data was still available
fleet anchor
Basically made Rogues look great despite Rogue specs not actually being best at most individual fights
bleak spoke
real real sad
warm parcel
like wth are the arbitrary rules
bleak spoke
sub was very good for fetid too
bleak spoke
one of the few classes that could do the small pustules iirc
crimson palm
some of the rules were good though
fleet anchor
Were literal bottom specs on Zek'voz
crimson palm
like psychus dmg being removed
warm parcel
good for people that are stupid enough to care about logs
tropic ocean
@bleak spoke except that afflock was better than every other class on fetid, and range too
warm parcel
right
balmy condor
WCL kinda went off the deep end this tier
bleak spoke
iirc
crimson palm
i mean if you dont care about them why complain about rules
balmy condor
I asked them whats with all the rules
warm parcel
cause it skews the stats?
balmy condor
and the dev was like "we just took majority on everything /shrug"
warm parcel
more than it needs to
bleak spoke
but really i think it was cuz you couldn't have melee and not cuz the specs weren't good for it
tropic ocean
yeah definetely
warm parcel
logs should be used for data
tropic ocean
but still range did more dmg
warm parcel
not for "im rank one hurr durr"
tropic ocean
and solved melee problem
bleak spoke
yeh
i think arms kinda slammed on that fight too though
cuz of the boss being tanked on the big blob
tropic ocean
uldir probably was morst melee tier this xpac from encounter design perspective
balmy condor
I'm with you weak
crimson palm
or they can be used as a metric to compare people on performance on a certain boss
tropic ocean
if u dont count crucible
warm parcel
yeah if only community wasnt so uninformed with them
warm parcel
and made all these assumptions about this and that
fleet anchor
I don't mind removing fights from all star
tropic ocean
fetid/mythrax/ghuun
bleak spoke
also pretty shit on nzoth
tropic ocean
and even on other bosses, range was just way superior
fleet anchor
I think the filtering is strange though
bleak spoke
feels like they shouldn't make editorial filtering
warm parcel
like it helps feed the semi hc community
bleak spoke
should either be like this is all stars or not
warm parcel
and their toxicity
tropic ocean
the only change I wanna see on wcl is
to be able to have not only damage, healing but also
DAMAGE TAKEN
bleak spoke
lmao
bleak spoke
i think the issue is like
fleet anchor
That's historically fine
bleak spoke
it becomes real weird
crimson palm
they did ok this tier
bleak spoke
cuz those healing adds need to die the first go right
like i recall on prog they actually wiped us
so the dhs running barrage was important
fleet anchor
Filtering damage on Carapace.. on adds that actually.. have to be killed.. is strange to me
tropic ocean
yeah
bleak spoke
cuz we had to push through
crimson palm
probably shouldn't have removed dildo boss though and removed only the amped dmg
bleak spoke
but it was meaningful at the time
to do good damage to the smallies on hivemind for sure
tropic ocean
i personally dont really care about all stars
but the constant changes on rankings is so terrible
log is not even about playing good or bad anymore
its about how can I cheese most dps
without wiping my raid
bleak spoke
yeh i don't really care about parsing in general it hink other than like if i do worse than X on a fight i'm disatisfied
fleet anchor
Just hard burn the boss at say 20% HP when we run out of adds
crimson palm
@fleet anchor small shits were dying to passive cleave it was an ok decision
bleak spoke
but like
fleet anchor
What's wrong with that?
fleet anchor
Like if we're going into "adds dying to passive cleave"
That's actually a huge jump in "curation" compared to anything in the past
Like literally that could applied to like
crimson palm
if they had mechanics tied to em, sure keep them
fleet anchor
half the fights in the game
crimson palm
but they didnt do shit to tanks
bleak spoke
the smallies only died to passive cleave past a certain week of gear though innit
crimson palm
tricks/misdirect -> ignore em
fleet anchor
Like it's actually pretty legitimately dumb that I'm sitting there like
"If I want to parse I shouldn't AoE adds"
bleak spoke
we had a few demon hunters and no good mages so like
fleet anchor
"Just use Mutilate on the boss"
bleak spoke
if they didn't go fel barrage then we got like wildly owned
fleet anchor
That's just meh
crimson palm
ye but we ran like 3xEB for parsing on that boss
bleak spoke
by them healing
crimson palm
it was dumb
fleet anchor
Honestly it's a change that was mostly targeted at Heroic
Because Mythic and Heroic had way different damage profiles
bleak spoke
i dind't think of that actually
yeh i guess until way later in the tier mythic still wasn't too degen
on the first few reclears at least
fleet anchor
EB padding on Heroic was a much bigger deal than Mythic
bleak spoke
arguably atm it might still be better to leave them up
for a group of hunters to multishot
for their cds
lmao
fleet anchor
But anyway what I was saying about Drest..
Is that it does suck when guilds hard burn at low%
bleak spoke
oh yeah
bleak spoke
cuz it doesn't count
anyone else put the wound poison on at the bottom of the prog kill
fleet anchor
haha
bleak spoke
idk if it actually helped
(and idk if i actually did it on the kill itself)
but i definitely did it on a handful of pulls when we were super close and i had no cds
and there were no orbs haha
fleet anchor
I don't really care about my parse on that fight at all since it's non-allstar and one of the dumbest encounters ever created
warm parcel
it didnt at least when we progged it
bleak spoke
yeah drest might be my least favorite fight in the entire expansion
played all of them (though i never killed ghuun)
crimson palm
it was fine when things werent dying
bleak spoke
(so idk how bad that was)
crimson palm
with the nerf it's just dumb
strange python
I like Drest 😐
bleak spoke
if killing everything in the room gave the debuff to everyone
that would have been less annoying maybe
like as a failsafe for currently existing downtimes
but it probably still wouldn't fix the other aspects of the fight that are dogshit
like the smoke bomb on the bashers etc
scarlet sequoia
: o
bleak spoke
raz did you like drest 
bleak spoke
2 orbs then?
fleet anchor
Ra-den is pretty fast now
bleak spoke
Yeh it’s been 2:18-2:25 for a month now I’m actually malding
It dies on my exsang global haha
fleet anchor
yeah our best is 2:16. it's terrible
bleak spoke
Sometimes earlier
bleak spoke
I almost want to try that toxic blade and a bajillion crit build
scarlet sequoia
we kill ra-den in 1 orb
patent topaz
anyone else died because their healer is full gushing parsing dps? 
scarlet sequoia
but it was a very nice pull with procs and stuff
bleak spoke
Usually we die cuz of the opposite
scarlet sequoia
its ok we private log now so who cares
bleak spoke
Someone chain heal crits and unforch
fleet anchor
We were doing a speed clear of Heroic last week
And my Ra-den was ridiculous
Then half the raid died due to a failed soak at the end
And the fight took like an extra 20-30 seconds
fleet anchor
And it was still Rank 2 at the time... would have been like 168k or something
Instead of 142k
bleak spoke
Damn
fleet anchor
Silly non-Cheat Death classes
bleak spoke
Lmao
fleet anchor
Heroic kill times are hilarious right now
patent topaz
why the fuck is skitra buffed by 40% though, if it was a bug it probably would have been fixed by now
fleet anchor
Never thought I'd see an entire tier of Fel Reavers lol
fleet anchor
Yeah
crimson palm
we'll never kill ra below 3 mins and i love it
healers keep trolling our officers
so that's 3 dps dead
little root
crimson palm
all i wanna do is push 100k on carapace
fleet anchor
My Carapace parse is so shit.. I was in for the speed timings last night.. then get sent to the left side in P2.. fml
crimson palm
im left side as well it's okay
fleet anchor
Right side is so much better though
crimson palm
you can gx3 and bote x2
fleet anchor
I'm almost always right
crimson palm
Yeh it is but not that big
patent topaz
solid 2 seconds of cds at the end there
fleet anchor
Ignore what?
crimson palm
the shield
fleet anchor
I mean I got Membrane in P3, we don't usually have enough sanity to ignore all of them
fleet anchor
Ah right yeah in intermission we ignore
bleak spoke
oh my raid is so bad at spreading that the damage i lose on p3 is actually to taking the circle farthest from anyone in the puddles made by the cysts
actual big sad
crimson palm
well you gotta get a good spot during progress or you're stuck with it
bleak spoke
i rather have the hard or shitty spots on prog though
fleet anchor
haha yeah
crimson palm
rookie mistake
bleak spoke
just makes reclear upsetting
but in the grand scheme of things this tier is a meme for parsing anyway kinda
though maybe it's better for us than most specs
bleak spoke
pretty bad for me cuz i stopped working on my sin setup after prog to gear for outlaw key
crimson palm
it was awesome pre-vendor >:
fleet anchor
DAE TENDIES PROCS
crimson palm
i had t10 expedients xD
steep obsidian
lol tendies
bleak spoke
i got rank 2 on xanesh 3 weeks in a row each week i played worse and had better tendie procs
patent topaz
I have dece parses on all except nzoth, where im outside full time
crimson palm
just as i caught up to raz
patent topaz
also paranoia with a healer 100% guarantee
crimson palm
they released the vendor
fleet anchor
You and Raz had the Expedient RNG seed for your corruption drops
steep obsidian
ive had to do outside time a few times on n'zoth on hunter
crimson palm
funniest thing is
steep obsidian
shit does so fast now i am standing around hitting a 99% immune boss
bleak spoke
man raz's pre vendor gear was actually
fleet anchor
I only had 2 Expedient pieces before the vendor 🤣
crimson palm
i had t12 on my warlock alt
bleak spoke
soooooooo wild
steep obsidian
but do good boss dam
crimson palm
4x t3 drops on 470s
steep obsidian
which is hat matters
crimson palm
from the visions
bleak spoke
absolutely wild
fleet anchor
I've got the Leech seed
fleet anchor
I've gotten no fewer than 6 Leech items from my weekly cache
bleak spoke
just gloves of all sorts and varieties
i'm still finding gloves i didn't know i owned
like the other day i wanted to make a versatile set for high keys
steep obsidian
i cant force myself to even do a vision this week
bleak spoke
and found crit vers versa3 gloves at 470 in the bank
patent topaz
its always one piece of armor
on rogue it was belts I got all the time, on hunter it was gloves and dh boots
bleak spoke
i rolled the same pair of gloves from the m+ chest all with gushing on them 3 times somehow
crimson palm
i swear the biggest bait was avoidance & haste
first thing i'd see was 12% and haste keywords
bleak spoke
l0l
crimson palm
then see the avoidance after
normal olive
bleak spoke
corruption, big emotional roller coaster
random raft
Can someone explain why people run internal bleeding but never cast Kidney?
crimson palm
nothing else you can take in that row
random raft
I’m looking back at logs in my ilvl bracket and everyone runs internal over iron wire
crimson palm
and if ur forced to cast kidney for whatever reason, at least have it do dmg
i.e. neurons on nzoth
bleak spoke
fair
crimson palm
adds on ilgy
random raft
Got it
bleak spoke
usually you stun ilgy adds as they're dying though
so really really dubious value there
crimson palm
it doesnt matter when you stun em
you make the cast
even if it's 1 tick
it's more than 0
bleak spoke
yeh you right
fleet anchor
In terms of pushing really interesting corruption luck
bleak spoke
but is it more likely to die in a prey window for argument's sakes
fleet anchor
I have the dubious honor
Of having received 3 Leech III 475 Bracers in a 6 week period
bleak spoke
yikes
scarlet sequoia
i wish they didnt release vendor
normal olive
fleet anchor
Overall I have received 8 475 bracers 🤣
bleak spoke
man just player to player in the same spec no vendor is pretty upsetti
crimson palm
if you can keep track you're not getting enough
bleak spoke
i wish they'd released vendor from the start*
tribal obsidian
I don't think I've gotten a single expedient piece outside vendor
fleet anchor
Also fun fact is that I've never gotten boots from my weekly cache
bleak spoke
weird
tribal obsidian
Every week
fleet anchor
But the triple Leech drops had me in tears
bleak spoke
is that even very unlikely statistically
fleet anchor
Because I was literally joking about it when my second one dropped
orchid yew
Hey guys sorry to interrupt this conversation second time on Nzoth Mythic tonight. Any tips to share ? (CDs/ spells to use at the right time, etc). Feel free to DM me if you want. Thanks !
bleak spoke
didn't get any echoing voids before nerf
fleet anchor
bleak spoke
tribal obsidian
Least those stats
crimson palm
first raid i joined with my current guild, first boss kill (skitra) i get the 475 bracers with GW on them
bleak spoke
45 corruption for that