just in general
#assassination
balmy condor
slim pebble
Agreed. RL put me over there
balmy condor
unlucky
you also had some pain in the intermission
your highest damage source is melee hits with 17%, then blood with 10%, followed by envenom with 9%
that's kinda not great
it does filter out antigen and cyst damage, which skews it pretty hard
but even then, its pretty yikes
slim pebble
Just gotta get better. Makes sense.
balmy condor
yeah looking at it you're kind of in for a struggle on that
you have 11 melee and don't split up
so you're competing for growth damage with all that melee + some of the ranged
you're not getting much done on that
half of the growths are basically dead by the time you get to them is what its looking like on the replay
and because you guys don't split, that phase lasts a pretty long time
almost 3 minutes from when you hit the boss in p1 to when you hit the boss in p2
and that's 3 minutes of basically non-existent damage happening
thats really gonna drag down your dps
yeah p2 you're getting stomped
because the DH's and warriors are just crushing the growths before you even get to them
slim pebble
I really don't know the best way to tackle phase 2 if were being honest
balmy condor
well
you either have to get out ahead of the melee cluster that's running in and nuking the growths
so that you get at least SOME uptime
or your guild splits and does both sides at the same time
rather than going 1 side at a time and the growths dying so fast to the point where half the raid is just trudging along in the slow fields with their dick in their hands
slim pebble
Yup.. thats how it usually goes maybe I'll suggest doing both at the same time
balmy condor
like if they're going to the left with the melee cluster
I would maybe consider shadowstepping to the left growths
and just hitting those
there's like 2-3 of them there depending on what side we're talking about
so you get our your cleave and its chillin
slim pebble
Thank you for the tips. Hopefully next time goes a bit better!
balmy condor
but 11 melee just in one big munge walking around on a single side in heroic
that's gonna be pretty awful uptime
yeah no problem
steel ridge
i hate that fight aswell, i feel so lost cause i cannot apply any damage to anything
dark crag
Is that carapace?
dark crag
Mythic?
balmy condor
heroic
dark crag
Oh
raven locust
Only the cyst phase feels bad imo even on heroic
dark crag
Yeah, they are dead too fast for assa to do anything
candid phoenix
Cara p2 is bad no matter the difficulty
every guild looks to kill the growths super fast, so assa barely gets to even touch em
sullen pagoda
just go right side and u go straight to back ones
im usually in top on dmg to them
sullen pagoda
im talking about what fresh said
sullen pagoda
I mean i help a bit with first 2
balmy condor
pff
sullen pagoda
then leave 3rd and go straight for back left
willow isle
Do you think that assa will be pain to play at the beginning of a new expansion? With more haste his rotation feels so good bcs you can get high emount of this with corruption.
willow isle
Yeah, but it is different with resource like energy and resource like mana. But I hope you are right. Assa with low haste is boring on st.
sullen pagoda
no dps class really uses mana as resource anymore except arcane mage @willow isle
balmy condor
dude but the warlock mana nerfs
but yeah, mana is basically non-existent
at least in a dps sense
you could technically oom if you're dispelling on a shaman or spell stealing or something
but that's not really a dps thing, that's a niche utility
and you'd have to be doing it constantly
vast forum
but if you go oom on a dps shaman you don't lose dps 😄
balmy condor
tru tru
vast forum
the only dps lost is using mana globals instead of maelstrom globals
naive cypress
When you guys look at stat weights for the CT Exang build. Are stats supposed to be weighted so equal? I thought stat corruptions would artificially inflate the values?
balmy condor
Don’t look at stat weights
They’re useless information
Haste/whatever on every piece is a good baseline
But you should top gear whenever you get something that you’re not sure about
Our secondaries are all pretty good, so it’s more of a balancing act than anything
Try to minimize the vers though
naive cypress
Yeye, I was mostly curious as to why stat weights showed as so equal, on other specs the stat you stack corruption for tends to go off the charts
balmy condor
Stat weights kinda swing back and forth with gear and sockets and all sorts of stuff
Like if you get 1-2 upgrades and a socket and re-sim, it could be completely different
naive cypress
Ye, im currently looking to do assa for rest of nzoth prog, since rl wants me to. So im simming my way into oblivion atm. I only have 5x expedient 3 + 1 expedient 1 so its not quite there. And im lacking sockets
balmy condor
Yeah that’s a bit struggle
You can supplement with whatever tbh
Tendies are decent rng
But if you have severe stuff from your outlaw set that has haste on it, that’ll work too
naive cypress
I think I have a severe 2 belt with haste + crit
balmy condor
Yeah that’s a decent filler piece
naive cypress
Azerite sims are the worst part tbh
Assa traits are so good across the board it seems like
balmy condor
DD hod SS are the main ones
naive cypress
It wants me to do something like this atm
Didnt get the Ra den head sadly
I simmed the mecha ring combo in gear compare, its only a 400 dps increase, but i might go for that as well
I havent applied the expedient 3s yet, so I still have a lot of options
balmy condor
naive cypress
Damn, thanks!
naive cypress
I was testing some different scenarios, since im basically gearing purely for the nzoth fight
Why does the sim favour the DD + Sands over the SS + Ttk. I tested with 7 expedients too, and it still wanted sands dd over the third Ss + ttk
naive cypress
I run vers in pvp as assa atm, quite happy with it
fallen sandal
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r3tcah3xW6vNfViSMv1PXG should i play galecaller ?
shut garnet
if you can play it efficiently, for sure
cold nebula
Anyone know any good m+ assa streamers?
cold nebula
just twitch.tv/seli?
naive cypress
Seliathan
cold nebula
ty
naive cypress
He is listed under Community figures in the discord
cold nebula
aah nice ty
feral rune
whats the best azerites for raiding on sin?
naive cypress
Like, traits?
steep plover
Depends on ur gear but the meta when ur geared is the exsanguinate build stacking haste using shrouded suffocation on all 3 pieces with heart of darkness/blightbourne/clockwork mixed in
Or double dose build if u dont have the gear
Stacking double dose on ur pieces
feral rune
tbh ive mained outlaw till now 477 so i should be able to reforge a fair bit
just need corrupts
steep plover
Ye the bleed build is really strong when u have heaps of haste
Check the pins and sim ur gear
See which build is better rn with ur current gear
tall maple
!wa
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arctic bramble
Hey guys, Can someone help me with this log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fXA7GHzg3WFYamqt/#fight=56&type=damage-done
I cant see when i used Exsan and also no idea what i did that i hit 450k dps at one point lol
I tried to do it again but unable to :\
strange python
What do u need help with?
tall cape
if you're trying to work out when you used exang go to timelines with your own contribution to the log highlighted. Edit: going into timeline -> damage done is a better way of looking at this
strange python
the reason u got up to 450k is probably because of the vita and OP proc you got
arctic bramble
OP proc ?
i dont see exang :\ i used wow analyzer and got it tho
can we check when vita proc?
nvm got it
dark crag
is clf major and blood, breath, iris minor for anyoneelse simming highest?
plain thistle
try formless minor instead of blood
but yeah, clf major sim higher for most of us
people just dont use, because blood is more straightforward
strange python
with clf major blood minor sims higher than formless most of the time
shut garnet
if u wanna be specific clf is more straightforward
technically
it's just more "awkward" to use
but u are essentially just pressing it every time 3 mins
dark crag
probably 1 use vs bote 2 uses in a <3min fight
played assa for the first time since nzoth firstkill and we don't even killed him this wednesday. But the missing DH was more the reason
fading quiver
Any clue already what would be the best covenant for assass rogues?
red bloom
The one with the best TMog for sure
slim pebble
One has an ability that resets your vanish after it runs it course and its on a minute cooldown
fading quiver
Still debating between damage and looking cool 
red bloom
Blizzard would never make use choose between the two ever, that’d just be crazy
stable radish
does the items I'm placing a corruption onto matter that much? I know I'm going to be replacing one of my rings soon, so would rather put it on my weapon, but simming says to put it on the ring
strange python
if you dont have mecha rings I would save exp for them
if u dont have insane daggers ofc
stable radish
2x heroic shards, probably never getting the mythic ones
strange python
Idk famr mecha rings imo
stable radish
Yeah I’d probably feel better about that. Thanks!
fallen sandal
should i use galecaller before or after exsangue ?
fallen sandal
and should i delay exsangue for gc ?
steel ridge
I dont know that, since i use plumage👀
fallen sandal
plumage is so much easier to use
steel ridge
Yep, just macro it to vendetta and be done with it. Fantastic trinket
zinc echo
Are the mechangon ring combo bis?
dark crag
Sim puts stuff on first free space
surreal solar
wait, did they fix Sepsis so it no longer just auto vanishes making it horrible in solo content? I was looking at Maldraxus mostly (Bone Spike)
strange python
@strange python stat weights as a basic principle or your specific weights?
vast forum
simming breath major which doesn't scale with haste or mastery explains most of it
fleet whale
IS3, GW, and crucible minor also boosts up the value of vers
fleet anchor
I mean those stat weights are still pretty close all things considered. They will be quite volatile at that gear level
Unless you are stacking Expedient or Severe, all our stat weights are functionally identical
noble coral
is there a certain threshold for haste that you need to hit to make the CT build worth it over poison bomb?
vast forum
yes
opal minnow
Idk if anyone ever found a hard # but iirc it was around 3200-3400 for me to switch.
vast forum
it's not a very specific number
from what i've heard from others, ~60% seems like a good approximation, but you should always sim it and use logic with the results
does a boss move a lot?
does the boss have cleave?
surreal solar
i have 70% haste static, and even in pure ST it's more dmg than PB for me
vast forum
yea, that's above the 60% number i posted above 😄
surreal solar
if it helps with decision making, Exsang speeds it up as well
dark crag
At 71% haste, ct sims around 1.5k more than pb for me
But ct is another dot to watch while pb is passive
surreal solar
^
i hated it at first, felt really weird, but by now i've been doing it long enough the weirdness is gone
vast forum
i just like not having to think about swapping between fights 😄
a few times i specced into CT for some aoe stuff, i forgot to use it because the habit wasn't there
now i run CT for everything
dark crag
Yeah, that is the biggest problem
gray hazel
for nzoth exang build. do you usually only use CT for AoE?
vast forum
no
gray hazel
or is it better dps thatn enven for ST with the dot/
dark crag
Sometimes you just forget about ct
vast forum
if you're specced into CT, you use CT
tropic ocean
its better dps on st as soon as it sims better for you
and it most likely is better dps on cleave
dark crag
If the tentacle is almost dead you envenom
gray hazel
so CT is just another dot to keep up on ST then?
dark crag
Yes
gray hazel
kk ty
tacit mica
guys anyone a good tip for weakaura tracking dots and showing if garote is empowered?
noble coral
i am a pretty big fan of luxthos's class auras and just turning off what i dont need
it does show empowered garrotes
fierce gull
Which covenant is best for assa for single target at the moment ?
fleet whale
no one has really done number crunching yet
fierce gull
Ok thank you 🙂
warm olive
How can I improve my DPS ( https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jZWAcTvUR6NUuUAAXKv63u ) without mythic raiding? Besides the obvious things like more sockets, higher neck and more corruption, is there anything I can actively do at this point?
The list above is what I found myself, enchant is missing because its a shared item and vers is best average for all gear sets. is formless void worth it in an non-raid setting?
crisp flume
Is exsanguinate better for raiding than evenom blade when stacked traits into garrote?
strong jacinth
what corruption do we need in raids?
crisp flume
Haste
strong jacinth
all the way?
naive cypress
Yep
strong jacinth
ty
naive cypress
Check pins for more specific. There is a guide on it
tropic ocean
cyan bone
Do you guys strictly go for like just 34 crit rest mastery or is that kinda meme?
red plaza
cyan bone
??
red plaza
we go for whatever sims the best
dark crag
The 34% is a meme, although i have 34% crit accidentally
cyan bone
Okay thanks luhmi
dark crag
109k dps with 1 ta r2, 1 exp r2, rest t3 exp to 59
cyan bone
yea thought so lol
dark crag
I was generous and traded the other rogue one 485 weapon. So my sub weapon is used for assa
cyan bone
uhm ok
dark crag
Next week i get another and the r3 expedient is ready + 1 r3 honed mind
Should bring me to around 115k
umbral rapids
f i n a l l y
dire spoke
applied for 4 boost raids and got no spot
oh that's OT but not in OT
w/e, fuck you @dark crag
xd
dark crag
Hehe you need more vitamine B
dire spoke
I could apply in Sylvie's raids and get a spot 100%, but I can't join those
dark crag
Can't decide if i go with clf or bote
dark crag
Cp as in combo points?
cyan bone
what are those stats though 😮
rancid bobcat
buff procs
cyan bone
about to say lol
umbral rapids
WHISPYR
balmy condor
That’s me
balmy condor
@fallen sandal don’t delay exsang for GCB, you’ll use exsang when it comes up, and then gcb after when that comes up, everything will line up again at 2:20ish into the fight, should be your 4th exsang at that point
@cold nebula seli sadly doesn’t go hard in keys atm, but ryfie streams, he’s the top sin rogue in m+ atm
@warm olive I’ll take a look after I get out of bed here in a second
Just reforge the goraks
You don’t need outlaw
dire spoke
balmy condor
:)
balmy condor
Problem is that there’s no good replacement for gibbering
cyan bone
wdym?
Oh yea
I hope I get cara chest/dagger next week :/
Is there any way to get 3k residuum in a week?
Does pvp chest give residuum?
balmy condor
Pray for the island quest
balmy condor
That’s why I didn’t bring that up :)
cyan bone
does pvp chest give some residuum?
balmy condor
No
balmy condor
You can scrap any azerite
The amount you get depends on ilvl
World quest azerite gives like 40 I think
It’s basically nothing
balmy condor
Good luck with that though
balmy condor
Tyrannical necrotic anything is aids
cyan bone
Doing 21 Motherlode now wish me luck
balmy condor
Gl xD
opaque tree
Anyone see what changes they made in beta? I guess Ion mentioned something yesterday with Preech but I couldn’t find where they were talking about it in the video?
balmy condor
opaque tree
Ty!
balmy condor
np
opaque tree
Hmmm seems to be the same as it was last time I checked Wowhead. I thought something was mentioned yesterday, but I’d it was, it’s not posted on there. Oh well.
balmy condor
they talked about a lot of hypotheticals and changes in the pipeline
usually you don't really talk about the actual beta patches in those interviews
not worth the time
sick oyster
any weakaura bois around that know how to code a range check into a garrote icon for example?
make it turn red when not in melee
sick oyster
5 would be the avg melee range?
balmy condor
yes
when it says "melee range" it means 5 yards, unless otherwise affected
for example outlaw acrobatic strikes
sick oyster
do you happen to know when they added the range check trigger?
balmy condor
Pfff idk it’s been in there for a while I think
Couple patches maybe?
I remember people used to have to do it through custom code snippets in legion
But idk exactly when they added it
balmy condor
You and your crit weakaura
tropic ocean
if crit = < or > 34 then alt+f4
rancid bobcat
how else will i know if i have 34% crit
tropic ocean
i only invested 34 points into programming
balmy condor
I've been using the wowhead ranges
bleak spoke
my brain hurty
bleak spoke
that's classic
bleak spoke
mayun
bleak spoke
Isn’t there a tickerbox on the top left
balmy condor
every garrote link takes you to the classic one
bleak spoke
That lets you select the version
balmy condor
the garrote hyperlink in the sin guide takes you to classic too omegalul
bleak spoke
Ima log in
balmy condor
I found this one too
but that's the wrong spell ID
everything else is just NPC garrotes
703 links you straight to classic
balmy condor
that's the in-game as well
bleak spoke
there's no way
balmy condor
that's what I'm sayin
vast forum
but when both you and the target are moving, there's "leeway"
so it's increased to prevent lag from letting you hit your target
bleak spoke
otherwise like
vast forum
it always has been
bleak spoke
man what the hell
vast forum
8 is only for outlaw and feral
balmy condor
bleak spoke
why is it i can hit stuff 10 yards away
vast forum
(feral with balance affinity)
balmy condor
making me look up all this garbage
vast forum
leeway
balmy condor
^
vast forum
also, hitboxes on big bosses
cobalt pelican
shadhar dummy thiq
wet ruin
the 8 on outlaw is also a talent
bleak spoke
i guess
my weakauras are just calculating center
omegalul
or maybe the red circle
game sucks
bleak spoke
THANK YOU WORLD OF WARCRAFT V. COOOOOOOOL
bro like
i knew my spatial distance judgement couldn't possibly be that bad
like
imagine 8 melee lengths between melee and range
that's like twice as large
as the actual range
LOL
like y'all have 100% seen like the mob conga line right
like when a range dps is in range of the back mob
and tank is kiting
it's like 5 melee people away roughly
this game is ridiculous
balmy condor
we explained, or more specifically, yoppa explained why that could be
at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter that much
vast forum
i don't particularly measure distances in "melee ranges" 😄
balmy condor
yeah that's pretty weird
vast forum
so i can't really get a good image in my head of how much "8 melee ranges" would be
balmy condor
also is that 8 melee ranges where the melee range of the person ahead of you in the conga reaches you or reaches the edge of your range
very confusion
slate shore
hello there , any advice to give me? im pull at 130k dps but after i stuck at 60k dps all the fight
balmy condor
maybe stop measuring lengths like that
balmy condor
do you have logs?
your burst is naturally going to be really high compared to outside your burst
normal olive
maybe stop doing bad dmg 
slate shore
yes 2 min i finish boss
normal olive
normal olive
xD
slate shore
xD not yet
balmy condor
this is bad
bleak spoke
what the
strange python
ehm
slate shore
ok thanks boy but i now its bad , i m here for adive 🙂
slate shore
advice
bleak spoke
if you read between the lines
balmy condor
you shouldn't be casting your cooldowns randomly
strange python
it looks like a quick guide refresh would be good aswell 🙂
bleak spoke
that's the advice
balmy condor
yeah
bleak spoke
your abilities are in the wrong order
vast forum
look up the opener
balmy condor
I would re-read the guide
vast forum
use vanish after your first exsanguinated garrotes
sync blood with vend
that's the most obvious stuff
vast forum
i'm not really going to dive deep into the log when there are obvious mistakes to fix first
balmy condor
if you run a quick sim with your character, you can even see with timestamps what the bot is doing
balmy condor
np
also have a pretty high amount of wasted CP
I would keep an eye on that
this doesn't feel good man
bleak spoke
https://i.imgur.com/6JVR82w.png don't let your dots drop
bleak spoke
can be a gear issue
wrt vigor
but i think deeper's been better for a very very long time this tier
balmy condor
I have not seen a sim where vigor+exsang sims higher than ds+exsang given that exsang is already better
bleak spoke
tbh me neither was just saying it might be why
slate shore
i have it
bleak spoke
i got my base mythic coral the 3rd to last week of a patch buck
strange python
really?
balmy condor
y'all got corals?
strange python
I got my 455 TF one like third hc kill xD
slate shore
y
bleak spoke
lmfao
i had a 435 coral with a socket forever though
so i was pretty low on prio to get one
idk
balmy condor
I had 1 coral drop the whole raid
strange python
but my gear karma has bitten me now
bleak spoke
man all my shit is 465 basically
strange python
nah Im serious
bleak spoke
real sad
bleak spoke
i think i have one 475 piece?
strange python
Yes
bleak spoke
and crafted stuff
strange python
damn welcome to the brotherhood 😄
bleak spoke
everything is actually from grinding
slate shore
you put razor , better than vita?
balmy condor
you should do vita+razor
slate shore
ok
balmy condor
the razor is 100% better than the spyglass
strange python
a healer monk in my guild keeps getting my bis items aswell
slate shore
i got both so fine
bleak spoke
oof
i think my sin gear would be nutty if i cba to socket it
but it's just too late in a tier all i care about are keys now
strange python
I feel you
he got mad kings sporran last week and before that he got waycrest ring
bleak spoke
https://i.imgur.com/Gxha77L.jpeg Big Sigh 2: Electric Boogaloo
those aren't even the right 475 crit vers bracers btw
it's the heavy vers one
balmy condor
the triple stack weakauras into the triple stack action bars
slate shore
ok i understand the opener need to be strict followed , but after? what are the rotation i need to follow?
balmy condor
a timeless classic
slate shore
just Mutiliate / venom?
balmy condor
you maintain your dots, envenom to finish otherwise
slate shore
ok
strange python
Just read the guide
slate shore
who ? me ?
strange python
no
slate shore
becaue i have crap gear xD
ha and last question about stat , which % of each i need to aim? i feel i need more crit and less mastery no ?
bleak spoke
yeah really sick weekly boxes 😱
balmy condor
there are no breakpoints
bleak spoke
start of tier i got the same gloves with i think 7 types of corruption on them
balmy condor
you just keep simming yourself
strange python
I havent even socketed my items yet
bleak spoke
was wild
strange python
so behind on outlaw sockets atm 😦
slate shore
ok thanks for all your kind answer
balmy condor
np
bleak spoke
https://i.imgur.com/QBpy0SL.png have a 475 vita in bags that i finally got last week
they gave me the socketed hc vita on week 1
so i was the last to get the mythic one
though i say "they" when i'm actually on the loot council and awarded it to people who didn't have vitas etc
shy dust
The lack of sockets
bleak spoke
wanna hear something ugly
strange python
My assa gear atleast kinda poppin
shy dust
Did all that gear just come with sockets Sub
shy dust
strange python
but visions are so shit
strange python
socket grind is just painful as fuck
bleak spoke
i miss the previous three tier's gear grind
bleak spoke
the hat slams yeah
i like it almost as much as the tidesage pope hat that clothies get
bleak spoke
oof
strange python
so now visions are just cba
bleak spoke
idk for like 7 weeks in the tier even on prog i didn't do my dailies
i just cba
i still only do dailies on my latest alt project TM
etc
bleak spoke
yeh you really can't get away with not doing the weeklies imo
strange python
1 hour a week is fine
bleak spoke
yeh
strange python
to spend on shitty weeklies
bleak spoke
i literally rather play the shittiest key on the shittiest week than do dailies
strange python
True
it's like 5 days for one vision
and who needs to grind for visions now anyways
bleak spoke
my next pet project: full versa outlaw high key set
strange python
vers is soon right?
strange python
hunter is so faceroll
bleak spoke
loljk i'm playing none of these things i mald when i'm not the one playing rogue in a key
normal olive
Survival Hunter Pog
strange python
in aoe you literally press multi shot > barbed shot
bleak spoke
yeh it's wild
strange python
my 450 hunter did 100k steady dps on the 4 dummies
never dropped
by pressing 2 buttons
steel ridge
10/10 class
strange python
ye hard rotations makes you do more damage 8)
steel ridge
If only
dire spoke
back in cata where rogue rotation mattered
cobalt gyro
harsh sphinx
vast forum
uncapping EB would be HUGE
robust light
is it normal to sim higher with the exsang build than the normal build when i have 0 expedient
balmy condor
not usually, but depending on azerite its definitely a possibility
robust light
its a massive difference
balmy condor
link the sim
balmy condor
yeah
robust light
its not like my gear for the usual build is even bad
robust light
vast forum
i mean, you're simming SS with TB
balmy condor
but its kinda sketch
robust light
that doesnt seem awful?
balmy condor
that too
vast forum
i don't see DD/BBI combo or i might be blind
vast forum
aight, you should deffo just use the SS build and work on getting a better helm 🙂
balmy condor
yeah agreed
robust light
alright sounds good
balmy condor
I'm running another sim to make sure its not some weird fluke
but it seems fine to me
vast forum
why u simming 6 min tho?
robust light
i thought the build was reliant on having tons of expediant but i thought id sim it anywya
vast forum
just curious, doesn't change anything
robust light
its 300 secs
vast forum
the same moment
robust light
5mins
vast forum
cuz i was looking at the right
vast forum
go agane 😄
balmy condor
that's why its valuing SS so high
balmy condor
although it does like it
its just not as high as before
this looks much more normal
robust light
aye
vast forum
the difference isn't as huge but this looks more reasonable 😄
robust light
would vigor maybe make up for the lack of expediant
vast forum
no wonder DD was nowhere near the top 😄
balmy condor
vigor sims lower
vast forum
don't use vigor with exsang in general
balmy condor
^
vast forum
it doesn't buff any of your relevant damage
balmy condor
that's also why I was dunking on your poison azerite
vast forum
most of your damage are garrote and rupture and neither get buffed by vigor
balmy condor
I took a glance and I didn't see DD anywhere
you also get energy from NP and exsang
vast forum
vigor is good when envenom and mutilate do damage
balmy condor
yeah
vast forum
because you actually get more of those with vigor
you don't get more rupture with vigor
balmy condor
we're looking for burst and bleed damage rather than consistent DD/envenom damage
balmy condor
np
normal olive
Small question where can i see the thingy where it shows what abilitys i pressed when in my logs
strange python
timelines and casts
normal olive
Ah casts okay thanks
normal olive
yeah i'm trying to get the opener down because muscle memory allways messes up my opener
slim pebble
On nzoth do we save vanish/vendetta for about halfway through first psychus phase?
naive cypress
Save it for nzoth burn I would say. But depends I guess
robust light
got a better helm now lul @balmy condor @vast forum
robust light
aye ill take it 😉
no expedient rank 3 vendor on vendor for 3 weeks tho
guess ive got time to farm echoes
(not played my rogue since before vendor came in hence shitty gear/corruption)
vast forum
vendor just changed 😦
balmy condor
Went away last night
vast forum
NA HYPERDANSGAME
olive gale
When running exsanguinate and it's used to accelerate a bleed, can rupture / garrotte be refreshed at any point in the pandemic window, or should I wait to the last possible second (assuming garrotte is NOT empowered by shrouded suffocation or subterfuge)
robust light
yeah i been playing enhance shaman for a few weeks so i was farming expedient on that :p
balmy condor
Never overwrite empowered bleeds
robust light
didnt care for my rogue much but decided to play it again today
balmy condor
Pandemic only adds duration, nothing else
Everything else is based on the newly applied dot
robust light
btw whats the optimal remaining duration to reapply for pandemic?
it used to be like 7.2 secs on rupture and 5.4 for garrote or something?
idk if its the same
balmy condor
30% of the duration of the newly applied
balmy condor
Yeah
balmy condor
You can refresh rupture at 3 and at 6 and it’s dps neutral
vast forum
7.2 for 5cp
balmy condor
Yes
robust light
so just a normal one with non empowered bleeds
balmy condor
Always garrote 6cp rupture before an exsang
robust light
okay so theres an art to trying to time it so u would have to refresh them at that time anyways
vast forum
yes
balmy condor
Yeah I guess
vast forum
not really mentioned much here
balmy condor
I think that “art” is pretty minor
vast forum
but if your 2 ruptures between a previous exsang and new exsang have a total of 7-8 CP, you aren't overcapping much
balmy condor
But it’s definitely better to play around it than not playing around it
robust light
just feels wierd if i have like 20secs on rupture and then reapplying it :p
balmy condor
Yeah it’s fine though
robust light
alright
vast forum
basically, your exsang has a ~28 sec CD by the time your exsang rupture falls off
and you want 8.4+ sec on it before using the 6cp rupture before next exsang
which means ~36 sec on 2 ruptures is what you wanna have
rupture is 4sec + 4 per CP
balmy condor
Use kaite’s weakaura to approximate your cp so you can plan rupture durations 40 seconds in advance
vast forum
which means if you use 2 ruptures it's 8 sec + total CP*4
vast forum
so for 36, it's 7
8 for safety
but you have to remember how many CP you used on your first rupture before doing a 2nd then 😄
i play around it but it's not something that will matter as much as cooldown management 😄
olive gale
If exsanguinate is coming up and sitting on 5 CP, would you still mutilate to 6 CP for the full rupture, or 5 point rupture (assuming garrotte already applied and not available for that last 1 CP)
balmy condor
You would mutilate to 6
vast forum
mut for 6cp
balmy condor
But that’s not a situation you wanna get into
olive gale
Yeah realize it's not ideal, just trying to be aware for all the possible outcomes
vast forum
it's RNG 😄
olive gale
Thanks!
balmy condor
Yeah but garrote being on cd is controlled
dire spoke
I wish your talking had a CD
dire spoke
normal olive
I used to gr -> rp -> gr -> vanish + vendetta -> gr -> vendetta -> exang
dire spoke
I mean there are two situations that alter your opener, one is the amounts of targets and the other are CP
normal olive
no idea how i thought that was good
balmy condor
Vanish
normal olive
but now it's the thing i just default to if i don't think about things
balmy condor
What the
balmy condor
Exsang on cd is fine
normal olive
I mean pressing it on cd
balmy condor
That’s how you get to the 2:20 lineup
normal olive
If i manage to get the right opener then yeah
balmy condor
Well if you fat finger vanish like that you’ll still get the lineup
naive lynx
quick question, what's gonna happen to Exsanguate in shadowlands? 😄 anyone knows smth? or guess?
dire spoke
No
normal olive
balmy condor
Exsang hasn’t changed
normal olive
i think i'm doing fine but i could be doing better
normal olive
i got some orange logs on hc so there's that
balmy condor
But why would you gimp yourself on purpose
naive lynx
Yeah, it won't change I know but we won't have this many haste
dire spoke
Because it's not like that Whisp
normal olive
I've been a clicker since bc and never questioned it
balmy condor
I never understood the clicker defense mentality, I literally don’t get it
Why would anyone want to move their mouse and click
Rather than just clicking a key
normal olive
I'm trying to get into keybinds so i'm learning atm
balmy condor
It’s the same process but with unnecessary steps
cyan bone
is it worth putting on 2 honed mind at some point instead of expe?
like 2 honed mind 3 instead of just 1
cyan bone
so 8 expe and 1 honed mind would be best normally right?
balmy condor
Uh
normal olive
Wasn't it 7 exp 3 and 1 exp 2 for corruption ressistance?
balmy condor
8x exped3 and hm1 doesn’t fit atm
cyan bone
oh yea
balmy condor
Yeah you’ll want 7x 3 1x 2 1x hm3 eventually
dire spoke
You can click sin on GCD, it's not an issue
cyan bone
ok ty
normal olive
Well i only click cd's so i click 3 - 4 buttons
balmy condor
Sure you can click on gcd
But that doesn’t make it just as good
It’s still strictly worse
dire spoke
Why
normal olive
i click every 2 minutes 
as long as i don't have to cloak
balmy condor
I can do a twirl before I sit down at my desk every time
But why would I do that when I can just sit
normal olive
My hand hurts when i use keybinds 
balmy condor
Just cause you CAN do it, doesn’t mean it’s better
dire spoke
But it's also not worse when it doesn't affect it
cyan bone
your movement will just be shit if you click spells no?
balmy condor
Ah but that’s again a very particular argument isn’t it
dire spoke
you can keyboard dodge most abilities
balmy condor
A perfect clicker and a perfect keybinder might be equal
cyan bone
Nah
cyan bone
e.g. m+ swapping to mobs you kind ahve to hover over them and kick stun etc
balmy condor
Your adding room for error
cyan bone
cant really do that if you click spells aswell
normal olive
The problem i have with keybinds is most of the time i accidently press the wrong thing and blow a cd
cyan bone
sure you can do same dps if you just stand still but moving and everysthing would just be way harder
balmy condor
Keybinding vs Clicking is not an argument
dire spoke
that's the only minimal gain keybinds have really, movement casts which don't accure as often as you think
balmy condor
This has been argued for millennia
And the fact is, clicking is strictly worse
You CAN click
But it’s still worse
normal olive
I'm not arguing about it i just suck with keybinds 
balmy condor
And that’s the end of that
Yeah no you’re fine
Zempai defending clicking is pretty 
But it’s all good
mystic osprey
I’m simming around 101k for ST in bleed build. Who has bis(ish)? Can you link your sim?
pale tiger
defending clicking 
i get that some people aren't comfortable with it or maybe even have medical conditions that makes it hard to use keybinds
balmy condor
I’ll link kaite’s sim when I get back to my pc
pale tiger
and in a patchwerk fight its not going to make like any difference
strange python
mystic osprey
Damnnn. Biggy. Thanks.
rancid bobcat
stop creeping
strange python
I searched in my history whispyr xD
balmy condor
That’s what I do all the time m
cyan bone
versa gems? 😮
rancid bobcat
strange python
well kaite you didnt wanna link it yourself 😠
mystic osprey
(Creep creep)
rancid bobcat
use my weakaura instead
balmy condor
Vers gems yeah
strange python
he doesnt have plum
cyan bone
wait he is using boots from nzoth? 😮 Didnt actually think they would be worth using as they dont have haste
cyan bone
He doesnt actually use any honed minds? 😮
balmy condor
Not enough res atm
strong wigeon
can comeone help me with what to do to repeat cooldowns after opener burst (around 2 :10 minutes into fight?
balmy condor
I’m sure he’ll switch once we get enough resistance