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drifting cloud
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theyre pointless

opaque tree
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drest, ra-den, illgynath or whatever his name is

strange python
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but SS just get more value with adds

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and do you really wanna optimize ra den gear to kill adds?

opaque tree
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lol obviously not

strange python
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none of the other fight types fit the raid

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Name smth that you think would be useful to sim

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except movement ones because they don't fit reality

opaque tree
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I'll post it, one sec

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I was just getting a lot of of double dose sims

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but there are so many fights where it's pointless because I could cleave and so that's why simming just patchwerk is throwing me off

patent topaz
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focus on single target, adds get mega deleted my mages/warlocks/hunters

opaque tree
strange python
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you lack haste therefore they won't sim higher

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things like exsang, CT and SS

rotund oak
strange python
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iirc dagger in the back sims too high

opaque tree
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guess I need to get some more expedients then

strange python
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you really do yes

rancid bobcat
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i don't think there's anything wrong with dagger in the back

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might be annoying for a positional requirement though

strange python
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when u got mecha rings u stand behind the boss either way

opaque tree
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Was just thinking how silly it's going to be, by the next time Expedient comes around and I can get it on all my pieces..... when the pre-patch hits, it'll probably be back to DD because we'll be low on haste again without the corruption, right?

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😮

rotund oak
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i just wanna bang the higher possible

strange python
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considering u lose 5 ilvls and get 15

rotund oak
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yes thx,was about to test pistoleers after this sim but im rly playing around ehart of darkness

drifting cloud
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you never unequip vita in raid

strange python
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for party buff ye

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and fat proc

rotund oak
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isnt though boon as good?

strange python
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boon replaces plum

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not vita

rotund oak
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i mean you normally ''exhale'' on your exsang with booon dont u

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oh thx

strange python
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but idk

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2k dps increase I think I saw from spyglass over vita

rotund oak
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ye spyglass is 475+socket

strange python
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do u have ra den on farm?

rotund oak
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mythic?

strange python
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y

rotund oak
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no,im 7/12

strange python
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prog on ra den rn?

rotund oak
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im trying to get the best possible because i wanna bang him hard

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yy

strange python
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mby he blesses you with a vita

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🙂

rotund oak
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:3

patent topaz
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raden is a meme on farm though, so easy if your raid is geared

rotund oak
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hook me up with a raden mythic kill

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ill bring deeps

drifting cloud
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doesnt sound like you want to kill bosses uneqipping vita

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effectively lowering raid dps

patent topaz
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ill have to use vop minor on raden next week

strange python
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Anyone got any general advice for mythic hivemind? fight just seems like a cluster fuck. can't tell if guildies just aren't killing adds fast enough or what is going on. Should I hold my ven/trink for first ravager? second ravager? Recommended major?

rotund oak
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either go ''echo'' or outlaw and bang,hivemind shouldnt be hard 😛

drifting cloud
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first ravager should be dieing from passive stuff

strange python
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Can i theoretically just use my sin gear for outlaw? i'm not making a whole set for it

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I have a 475 sword from wrath I can use

rotund oak
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Outlaw needs alot of crit/versa anything with mastery haste makes outlaw outperfoming

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  • you need slappers or tusks to dps as outlaw
strange python
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i really wish i knew what slappers or tusks meant

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lol

rotund oak
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slappers are the wpns from raden

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slappers stand for their corruption(lash of the void)

strange python
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ahhh rgr that

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i think i can probably manage echo...

drifting cloud
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assa is more than fine on hivemind

rotund oak
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yy,it might be better than outlaw dps wise coz you cheese faster

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outlaw needs to ramp

patent topaz
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if adds dont die you probably arent stacking the raid

strange python
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We are my guild just sucks

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Trying to do everything I can to make it work

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Think we're going to 3 tank it next time with a blood dk just rounding up adds

rotund oak
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if u check logs on hivemind btw,there are many ''echo'' rogues with insane numbers

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just focus darters and dodge the rolling stuff

strange python
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For major though should i stick with clf or switch to bote/iris

rotund oak
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ravagers too

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as echo go bote and wait for adds

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your dps xplodes

strange python
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think i sold all my echo gear

drifting cloud
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those are some god awful advice

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for prog

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please stop

rotund oak
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lul 😄

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true progress needs mechanics

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sorry for that

strange python
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I mainly get stuck trying to figure out what to use my cds on

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So many adds, not enough cds to go around

drifting cloud
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using them on bosses is fine

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maybe 2nd ravager depending how fast its dieing isnt terrible

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end of the day, the faster the boss dies the more room you have for error

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as in random people getting run over by banelings and stuff

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and the fight has a kind of soft enrage

strange python
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Yeah, we're mainly getting wrecked when the second set of darters come up with the banelings

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Hoping a BDK offtank will help with that

drifting cloud
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problem is youre just lowering the raid dps even more

strange python
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True

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I think our ranged just isn't up to par

drifting cloud
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but yeah I cant totally relate since we have always had a dk there

strange python
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2 or 3 tank?

drifting cloud
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2

strange python
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and that works with him tanking one of them and also rounding up adds?

drifting cloud
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well like I said its not going to be fair to compare since my guild killed the boss 2nd week of the tier

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and I wasnt even in on prog but from I saw from rekills he just gripped then called stuns on comms

strange python
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Hmm. We've been using a prot pally for interrupts, and dk on tek

drifting cloud
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and with cns major they get an extra grip or something 😂

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lets see looking at old logs the dk seemed to have tanked ka'zir

strange python
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HMMMMM

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so dk on kaz, cycle interrupts, get him to grip darters, and then can they just be mass rooted and burned at that point?

drifting cloud
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well dont hold me to my word, but if you already have a dk tank I dont think youd ever need another one

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you probably just need a better strat

strange python
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the plan was to slap a warrior tank in there and then use dk as the third

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but maybe our dk just needs to get better

rigid eagle
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hey guys im starting to think sims is trolling my ass

quiet radish
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Does anybody have a plum with vendetta macro

rigid eagle
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switching from 475 wrath dagger to 485 shard is a dps loss for some reason

strange python
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there is no expedient on shard

drifting cloud
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helps if you enchant it

rigid eagle
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AH

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fuck

strange python
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but there is on wrath

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also no enchant

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nvm there was exp

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but no enchant

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@quiet radish
#showtooltip
/use 13 (or 14 depending on slot)
/cast Vendetta

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13 is top slot, 14 bottom slot

quiet radish
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Thank you!!

pallid solar
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At what haste percentage should i switch from toxic blade to sang build?

strange python
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when it sims better

balmy condor
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Depending on your azerite and corruptions, you’ll see it at around 30%

pallid solar
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thanks

winter glade
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Is bleed build viable without Plummage and Mechagon rings? I have a 455 Razorcoral and Vita.

balmy condor
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Yes it’ll be fine

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But you’ll want them if you’re wanting to push your dps

wind nymph
balmy condor
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that gale-callers gotta go

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its also literally just a raid build with 1x severe and 3x eb

wind nymph
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i've got basically any trinket exept of Vers on use

balmy condor
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so there's that

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yeah

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use vita/spyglass

wind nymph
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i'm gonna link the usual spec i'm using

balmy condor
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also simming patchwerk 1 target 5 minute probably not ideal

wind nymph
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it was just to show equip 🙂

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dunno why red ...

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but i find that really low performing this week

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lot of crit, big aoe, then on bosses i'm stuck

naive lynx
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how do you sim for raid then?

wind nymph
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sometimes i switch galecaller with ashvane 445, depends but is pretty much the same

balmy condor
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Hey we’re back boys

strange python
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Hi, welcome back

balmy condor
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cloudflare crashed btw

strange python
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cloudflare?

balmy condor
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they make sure discord gets to the internet

strange python
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oh

balmy condor
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as well as like 60% of the entire internet

strange python
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My discord never fucked o.O

balmy condor
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kinda massive

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EU unaffected I guess

strange python
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no

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my friend got cucked aswell

balmy condor
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unlucky

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I'm pretty sure all of NA was down

strange python
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I guess I got that chinese rng 8)

balmy condor
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anyway @naive lynx we were talking about m+

naive lynx
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i figured

balmy condor
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and yes @wind nymph it's tyranical this week, so your crit build is going to suffer quite a bit

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Boss damage is much more important in comparison

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so you're probably better off running a raid set

naive lynx
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i was just wondering about what is the most ideal way to sim for raid ST

balmy condor
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patch 5 min

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is fine

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if you've got quick kills 3 min is fine too

cold pumice
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yo just a quick question, is it worth using BotE rank 2? no way i am going to grind for rank 3

balmy condor
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the power of bote comes from rank 3

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but you'll have to sim

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probably going to end up using CLF in raids if you have that or worldvein

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and for m+ you're gonna probably still run bote but its not gonna be very pog

cold pumice
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i have every essence besides CLF and bote rank 3 😄

balmy condor
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unlucky

cold pumice
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on rank 3 I mean tho

balmy condor
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probably be stuck with worldvein then

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or breath major I guess

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if your gear is scuffed

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regardless, not ideal

cold pumice
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well yeah, i started playing my rogue like yesterday, i am around 440

balmy condor
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its usable

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its just not great

next solar
ebon heath
balmy condor
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@next solar where's the mecha rings my guy

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also dose did you just not have good SS azerite?

cold pumice
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so worldvein for raid and breath for m+?

balmy condor
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sim it

cold pumice
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aight will do

next solar
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Dont have em yet, i main outlaw and was just seeing where id be at with what i have

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haven't gotten 490 azerite yet

scarlet sequoia
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😱

balmy condor
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unlucky

next solar
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anyone know of the current max, or close to max ST sim is for ass?

balmy condor
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yeah raz

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does anyone know of the current max

next solar
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thought i saw someone with 120+ but that may have been pre gushing nerf

balmy condor
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this one will be good enough

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cause raz doesn't like sharing

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120+ on 3 min

upper wedge
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that luck getting both mecha rings 475 oof

vital haven
balmy condor
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link 30sec sim

ebon heath
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@balmy condor I had only 1 SS in a 480

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and then SS on 465 items

balmy condor
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yeah that'll do it

vital haven
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im sure you can get higher

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get more haste heavy items

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but whats the point

ebon heath
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got cara chest and a headpiece with heart of darkness from the vision and that was like 6% haste

balmy condor
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no idea

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just big numbers

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big numbers make happy

vital haven
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once i get 20k chalk

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ill get close to this set

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no 475 rings or 475 gcb though

balmy condor
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unplayable

drifting cloud
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what did you do with your chalk

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I have 55k and I do 16s for weekly 🤔

vital haven
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oh and i need another 2 daggers to cleanse one and put IS on another

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idk buy pieces

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i have m+ pieces pvp pieces

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i gamble a lot

drifting cloud
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nothing good comes out of pvping

vital haven
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true

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but i wanna get rank 4 c and s

drifting cloud
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yeah last r4 I miss

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but no thanks

twilit ginkgo
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is there a guide more tailored for assa in M+? Like with azerite lists and such

balmy condor
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no because its all pretty feely-craft and varies from week to week

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we all still argue on big things like crit vs haste stacking

warped panther
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If anyone has any ideas as to how can I improve that I would be very grateful

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39 corruption cause of progression

patent topaz
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coral + gcb is a Weirdchamp from me

balmy condor
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double on use is kinda tragic

shut garnet
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bruh tf

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is anyone else's gear super mastery hungry

balmy condor
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yeah

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that happens

warped panther
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nah I won't use them

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I use vita + golden leaf

drifting cloud
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you also wont use clf on nzoth prog

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but you still sim with it

warped panther
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yea ^

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that too

vast forum
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why would you not use clf on n'zoth tho?

warped panther
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cause I heard "blood is better for prog"

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that's all I know tbh

shut garnet
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because most assas play vision minor for prog

vital haven
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not believing in the clf Weirdchamp

vast forum
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most assas don't play vision minor for prog

balmy condor
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pray for clf

shut garnet
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huh?

drifting cloud
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vision minor was a thing where nzoth kills took 12:30

shut garnet
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i mean right now you're right actually, maybe not

warped panther
shut garnet
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dps shouldnt be an issue

warped panther
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maybe only change to Blood major

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but dunno, need to see how it feels better

vast forum
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vision minor was a thing for the first few hundred kills blobshrug

shut garnet
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yea

vast forum
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while TB was the way to go

drifting cloud
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I mean yeah thats what I said

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a before vendor thing

vast forum
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and even then it wasn't mandatory, it was just convenient if you're not using vend on psychus

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but if you were using vend on psychus, you wouldn't use vision minor

drifting cloud
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or a "my guild has really bad boss dmg" thing

shut garnet
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wait what?

drifting cloud
shut garnet
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isnt that the other way around?

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if you vendetta psychus you use vop minor

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if not you dont?

warped panther
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also Sin or Outlaw for N'Zoth is better?

vast forum
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that doesn't make much sense with the usual timings

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outlaws will tell you to look at their logs and see all of their "useful cleave"

vital haven
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both do different things

shut garnet
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ngl i quit prog post like drest and came back when it wasnt necessary to run vop minor, so most my nzoth kills are just

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non vop minor

warped panther
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So if raid team lacks ST damage -> sin

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if it lacks AOE -> Outlaw?

vital haven
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no

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mage is the right answer to both

balmy condor
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Lmao

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tru tho

warped panther
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.. bruh

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true

shut garnet
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but i assumed vop is decent if you're on psychus cuz u can time it at the start basher -> psychus -> another basher -> then nzoth nzoth -> secret add -> nzoth

warped panther
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but still

vital haven
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but yes generally that is the yanni

undone pasture
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If ur team is wiping cos dmg find a new team

warped panther
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ty for the info

shut garnet
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yeah this is pretty late into the tier and with how completely degenerate corruption is

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and easy to get cuz vendor

vast forum
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usual timings: vend on pull, vend on psychus, vend on 3rd tentacle after first psychus, vend on boss right after 2nd psychus, vend just before secret phase, vend after secret phase, vend during lust/mindcontrol

shut garnet
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people should giga outgear the fight rn

umbral rapids
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You’d be surprised

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I don’t raid tbh

vital haven
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nah

vast forum
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the fight is outgeared

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but you still have to do the dance

vital haven
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there are still plenty of guilds that are struggling with nzoth

shut garnet
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yea ofc

vast forum
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yea but i doubt they're struggling with dmg

shut garnet
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but thats what i mean, it aint a number issue

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it's just mechanics

umbral rapids
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But most guilds that are still in prog have some degenerates who didn’t even read a guide

vast forum
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you have to waltz with him for 10+ minutes

patent topaz
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we went into secret phase with boss at 21%, its pretty free

shut garnet
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like sure people struggle to kill it but it wont be cuz theyre only avg simming 120k instead of 140

vast forum
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during prog or reclears?

drifting cloud
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yes but you are on farm

shut garnet
patent topaz
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no soaks after secret just go insane and kill him

umbral rapids
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Bruv mage in my guild plays IS and CLF

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????

solar latch
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is the exsang + ct build viable with only 40% haste?

umbral rapids
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Sim it

balmy condor
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CT won't be at 40%

umbral rapids
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Probably not

balmy condor
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exsang probably

vast forum
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@umbral rapids tell that mage to reroll to a different game

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or at least a different guild

solar latch
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hmm toxic bladde + bomb sims more

umbral rapids
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@vast forum idc i don’t raid i just look at the logs and laugh KEKW

balmy condor
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IS and CLF on a mage?

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you what

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then play toxic blade and bomb

vast forum
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is it normal logs?

umbral rapids
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?

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10/12 M

balmy condor
vast forum
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how did that guy get into a mythic guild? kekchamp

umbral rapids
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As I said

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You’d be surprised at what you see in guilds still progging

drifting cloud
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because this tier is a joke

vital haven
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bruh the mythic guild spread is massive

vast forum
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i mean, i raid in 2 guilds

drifting cloud
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at this point

vital haven
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also end of tier

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corruption power creep

solar latch
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my guild just came back after 2 years and were progging lol

vast forum
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my alt guild is 11/12 atm and every1 plays with proper talents

vital haven
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end of expack i mean

shut garnet
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wouldnt be surprised if it comes out to three times the amount of CE guilds compared to EP and BoD

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lmao

vast forum
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proper essences

umbral rapids
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Isn’t the tier longer ?

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Than EP ?

shut garnet
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yeah

vital haven
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way longer

umbral rapids
vast forum
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it's longer and arguably easier

balmy condor
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its end of expac

drifting cloud
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bod was way more free

vital haven
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dude its been 6 months of 8.3 already

umbral rapids
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Would make sense then

shut garnet
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theres definitely a factor to consider for sure

vast forum
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more bosses but they aren't as hard

vital haven
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shudder

balmy condor
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its naturally longer

dire spoke
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that's what she said

umbral rapids
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....

balmy condor
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uwu

umbral rapids
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Anyways

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My point was, you’d be surprised that damage is still a major issue

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For a lot of guilds still on prog

drifting cloud
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its really not

umbral rapids
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My man running incanter’s flow like.... ??????

drifting cloud
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its extra mechanics they ahve to do because of it

shut garnet
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dude a mage playing IS and CLF is nothing to do with damage and literally everything to do with his brain melting down

balmy condor
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there's a lot of people in the game that just don't bother min-maxing

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such it is

drifting cloud
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hey our 1st kills of wrathion were also 9-10 min

shut garnet
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like OF COURSE there's gonna be a dmg issue if the guy DOES NOT KNOW what to play

umbral rapids
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My point

dire spoke
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laughs in frostmages

shrewd night
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Imagine having google at your fingertips and not knowing what to play

shut garnet
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yeah its super tragic

drifting cloud
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your point is bad, you dont even raid just make fun of your guildies

shut garnet
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happens apparently

drifting cloud
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maybe help them instead

umbral rapids
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Idk

undone pasture
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Maiev, i played in a 10/12 guild where the 'raidlead' was a fire mage who struggled to do 50k dps on anything. He had correct essense azerites and corruptions

umbral rapids
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We have officers and a raid leader for that

balmy condor
undone pasture
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Some ppl just

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Suck

balmy condor
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people play how they want to

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if they don't want to play to their fullest

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that's their problem

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no point getting frustrated about it

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if they want to git gud they'll ask for help

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if not, and they're holding the guild back, they get replaced

umbral rapids
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And that’s literally one example

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Guild would be CE already if they had more than 2 dps doing proper damage

drifting cloud
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doubt

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if they cant even kill carapace

umbral rapids
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It’s just with people who know how to actually play their class they’re also more reliable with mechanis

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Idk

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I might be wrong idk, my opinion

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Truth is, they don’t have a rogue that’s their problem :)

drifting cloud
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my friends guild is full of people that have 0 ces lifetime, maybe some have it from EN, they raid 6h a week and they are a guild that has SUPER limited recruiting options and they are still on nzoth by now

umbral rapids
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That’s good

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We’re on a dead realm to be fair

drifting cloud
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so those random 4-9 bosses guilds that have actually raided for 6months they just werent going to get CE regardless

umbral rapids
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Hope we get connected to something

severe narwhal
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ok folks i need some opinions /help i quit my rogue right when corruption vendor just came out , i currently have rank 5 tendys , 13lvl cloak . what would be the best / most optiomal corruption stack , looking todo all 3 , pvp mythic+ (18+) and mythic raiding

umbral rapids
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There’s no ce guild in my realm cri

balmy condor
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@severe narwhal that's a sim question

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but ideally

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whatever works

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tendies is fine

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but it won't be good in any one thing

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cause we suffer from a bad case of needing multiple gear sets

dire spoke
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In lower-end rank guilds people often tend to not do well with their class, and even if they do some just don't focus on their duty like focus dps X instead of the boss. And then they don't get called out because they would get upset and raidleaders are afraid those baddies who unfortunately are the "better players dps wise" leave

balmy condor
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you need to level the cloak though

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that's kinda huge

severe narwhal
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is a full verse stack viable ?

umbral rapids
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Perfectly summed up lol

balmy condor
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no

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its not

umbral rapids
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no

balmy condor
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for pvp it'll be okay

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but pve

severe narwhal
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just waiting on resets for visions

dire spoke
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yo whisp

severe narwhal
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ill probs just save and wait for severe 3 and strike through 3 then

balmy condor
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yo zempai uwu

umbral rapids
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OwO

dire spoke
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I can't believe those vers pants are best

drifting cloud
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why not

balmy condor
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yeah why not

drifting cloud
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without cns minor youre super low on vers

balmy condor
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vers isn't inherently bad

dire spoke
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I expected mastery or crit to outnumber that

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it just buffled me kinda

drifting cloud
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maybe if you had plumage instead of coral

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it would

dire spoke
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oh true

balmy condor
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tbh vers is fine though

drifting cloud
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or illgy shoulders instead of goraks for example

balmy condor
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like we can worry about plumage and another hod or clockwork and shit all day long

dire spoke
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I didn't even bother re-sim those shoulders, lol

drifting cloud
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not like you care for 100-300 dps end of the day

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or are you farming neck lvl kekw

balmy condor
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but I think the fact of the matter is that vers is fine

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its undervalued by most of the community tbh cause they hear haste/mast from somewhere and crit breakpoints from somewhere

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and then all of a sudden its like wow pog haste > crit = mast > vers

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when that's not really how stats work these days

drifting cloud
#

they just forget it exists

vital haven
#

lmao i legit have like 1% vers

drifting cloud
#

when you have literaly 0 on your gear it jumps a little bit in value

vital haven
#

none of my gear has vers anymore

drifting cloud
#

then you get a few 100 and it comes back down to mastery and crit

balmy condor
#

you run plumage and stuff though right nairda

vital haven
#

ye

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i just find it funny

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80 haste

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1 vers

balmy condor
#

people look for simplicity in gearing

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they don't want complicated answers

drifting cloud
#

wait do you only have 1 hod nairda

balmy condor
#

they just want to know haste on every piece and no vers

drifting cloud
#

you should have 2.2% vers with 2 hod or smth, big gains!

balmy condor
#

and that's what they do

dire spoke
#

that's why I looked for every mythic weekly drop without vers

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😐

balmy condor
#

ye

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having vers isn't insta-bad

drifting cloud
#

also I have the exact same pants from weekly zempai

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but I cba farming a socket

umbral rapids
#

but

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i’m insta-bad

dire spoke
#

yeah

drifting cloud
#

where is clf even better if we go by logs

dire spoke
#

I get a socket every other week

drifting cloud
#

under 90s maut kills

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what else

dire spoke
#

any 3:20 kill I believe

drifting cloud
#

so like a scuffed xanesh or shadhar

dire spoke
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idk, looking at logs both works

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soo

drifting cloud
#

thats why I never bother simming with clf

dire spoke
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I stopped caring

drifting cloud
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because I know if I have that niche kill timer its going to win, but it only happens when theres too many alts in the run

dire spoke
#

lol, yeah

drifting cloud
#

and then if it dies 10s too fast clf is kinda ruined, and thats why all the freaking logs are bote

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because nobody cares about it and/or they dont do splits/alt runs

dire spoke
drifting cloud
#

I guess its ok on wrathion aswell

dire spoke
#

(0:

balmy condor
#

big surprise

uncut schooner
#

Bote grind making me want to shoot myself.

dire spoke
#

big brain

uncut schooner
#

Whispyr why do I have to do this.

drifting cloud
#

see, now you just get a 465socket one

balmy condor
#

because idk

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you want it

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but its okay

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I believe in you

dire spoke
#

I need weekly chest pants first

balmy condor
uncut schooner
#

How much honor does the bonus event give?

dire spoke
#

before that I don't do shit

uncut schooner
#

Compared to usual.

dire spoke
#

xd

balmy condor
#

100% I think

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maybe 50%

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its been a while

drifting cloud
#

its 50

balmy condor
#

there ya go

cyan bone
#

When does the corruption shop change? 9am or 9pm?

balmy condor
#

9pm

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non-localized time though

uncut schooner
#

Picked up 8 expedients to hold onto :v

balmy condor
uncut schooner
#

Just need to start blasting dungeons for that plumage and some mecha rings after I get bote sorted.

balmy condor
#

do it at the same time

strange python
#

well doing it at the same time makes the bgs less painful

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🙂

uncut schooner
#

I've legit being grinding bgs for 6 hours straight.

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Brain is actually numb.

strange python
#

it's fun gameplay no? 8)

uncut schooner
balmy condor
#

I believe in you XD

uncut schooner
#

I'll get there. 🙂

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Do we have a dedicated SL channel btw?

balmy condor
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nop

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#wow-general for the SL changes and the spec changes for spec-specific SL changes

dire spoke
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65socket good

uncut schooner
#

Fair, I plan on still playing assa into SL but I still can't decide on what covenant to go.

balmy condor
#

neither does anyone else atm

uncut schooner
#

Also uhh... that's a lot of dps.

strange python
#

necrolords looks sick 🙂

uncut schooner
#

I mean bonespikes seem cool, but sepsis for night fae seems like it could be really solid too.

strange python
#

true

uncut schooner
#

Even if a bit messy if playing solo.

strange python
#

but bonespikes just seem ridiculous atm

uncut schooner
#

I know Pika uploaded a pvp vid on the beta testing out sub with bonespikes + the cc immunity soulbind tree.

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People were actually just quitting the arenas on him lol

strange python
#

And in m+ u can multi dot with spikes

uncut schooner
#

Yeah, though I'm not sure how that's really going to even fit into the assa rotation at that point.

strange python
#

press it as generator probably

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but we will see when SL launches

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😄

uncut schooner
#

Anything to get me out of the 8.3 grind please xD

strange python
#

Im kinda at the fun stuff rn

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no need to grind

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except for future sockets 😦

uncut schooner
#

I think by the time I hit that it will already be pre-patch anyway.

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😛

strange python
#

XD

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I did my expedient grind last time it was around

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fucking 27 visions in 3 days xd

shut garnet
#

running visions this week is omega chill though

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u can actually run thru it with ur eyes closed

rancid bobcat
#

for some reason i feel like i might need to pick up 1 more expedient

ornate gazelle
#

anyone know the best place to farm dingy iron coins?

balmy condor
#

dingy iron coins

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from wod?

ornate gazelle
#

oh are those the wod ones

rancid bobcat
#

wowhead can probably tell you

balmy condor
#

yeah those are the wod ones

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tanaan is pretty okay I think

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or like next to talador I think

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I have repressed memories in a cave next to talador where the orcs just kept spawning

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tanaan also had a better drop rate if i remember

tribal obsidian
#

the real questions is why

balmy condor
#

maybe he wants old mogs or something I don't judge

tribal obsidian
#

thought all that stuff was moved to the legion one anyway

balmy condor
#

I honestly don't remember

dire spoke
rancid bobcat
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no clf pls

tribal obsidian
#

man wish i had that weapon

wild lion
#

both mechagon rings in 475 lul never saw 1 on 3 chars

strange python
#

this gear

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holy shit

dire spoke
#

the fuck is that neck level

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are you grinding islands

uncut schooner
#

I feel sad after looking at that.

strange python
#

same xD

balmy condor
#

well

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I get to use that as the new sim to link

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so that's cool

strange python
#

that gcb and those rings 🙂

shut garnet
#

wait

rancid bobcat
#

dont look

shut garnet
#

hold the fuck on a sec

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thats your actual gear

strange python
#

yes

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XD

shut garnet
#

uh

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uuuuuuuuh

strange python
#

Kaite can I borrow some rng please?

dire spoke
#

531neck like how

strange python
#

I still need atleast one 475 as outlaw

balmy condor
#

plays the game a lot

uncut schooner
#

Hasn't seen daylight in over a year.

strange python
#

but what neck level is that?

balmy condor
#

97 I think

tribal obsidian
#

easy #1 parse just play more then everyone else

rancid bobcat
#

its to make up for me playing panda

strange python
#

it's 99

uncut schooner
#

I feel like that's the most insulting part lol

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I got dumped on by a panda.

balmy condor
#

99 then

shut garnet
#

panda isnt the worst race u could be tbh

balmy condor
#

idk

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math hard

strange python
#

uhh

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Im struggling with 94

rancid bobcat
#

panda gets u +5 neck level racial

strange python
shut garnet
#

kekw

cyan bone
strange python
#

how much is it for lvl 100 kaite?

cyan bone
#

like easiest to get but biggest upgrades?

strange python
#

like 1 mil?

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or more I think

balmy condor
#

not using outlaw azerite

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is a good first step

strange python
dire spoke
#

neck does alot, it's not really the rest of that gear tbh

cyan bone
#

wait lol

strange python
#

but those rings wouldnt hurt me 🙂

balmy condor
#

getting your rank 3 essences helps too

cyan bone
#

it was on outlaw

#

anything easier than 24h bgs?

bleak spoke
#

You should also play ttk over rezan’s fury

uncut schooner
#

Come join me in the bote grind.

#

Nope.

balmy condor
#

idk bout that

bleak spoke
#

On the atal shoulders

strange python
#

also get the division loop ring

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instead of protecting one

bleak spoke
#

Rezan’s fury is some awful falafel

uncut schooner
#

At least he's got one half of the rings lol

#

I don't even have that.

cyan bone
#

I got that loop ring, I just dont have expe on it

strange python
#

did u expe your protecting one?

balmy condor
#

yeah I saw that too

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you should exped that

bleak spoke
#

Could have came like that

strange python
#

ik that's why Im asking

balmy condor
#

but yeah, essences, then finishing your rings

#

and general corruption things

cyan bone
#

yea I exped that other ring because I only had that then

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only just got the haste proc ring today

strange python
#

the TA on dagger basically is 2 exp 3 in corruption

bleak spoke
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Wouldn’t cleanse it until you have the corruptions to replace it though

cyan bone
#

yea

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I just did like 5h+ of ws 15+ to get that ring and echoes to buy another expe

bleak spoke
#

Good on you

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It’s a pretty big upgrade

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But yeh sim again with properly selected azerite and see

balmy condor
#

oof

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ya just hate to see it

cyan bone
#

oh well

bleak spoke
#

Bro you didn’t check exsang did you

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Mayun

balmy condor
#

wait what

#

did I unselect

#

UNLUCKY

strange python
#

no u didnt

balmy condor
#

yeah hold on

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I did it

strange python
#

exsang is in selected

#

xD

balmy condor
#

don't scare me like that dude

#

jesus

bleak spoke
#

Oh dear

balmy condor
#

gave me a heart attack

bleak spoke
#

This is awkward

strange python
#

what is?

#

nth happened here

cyan bone
#

well so I guess exsang not worth it yet

bleak spoke
#

No I mean this sim

drifting cloud
#

because your shoulders are ass

cyan bone
#

ik 😦

bleak spoke
#

Oofers

balmy condor
#

yeah your SS azerite kinda sucky

cyan bone
#

I hope I can go to illgy w guild on sunday not sure though

strange python
#

am I just blind or is the loop of division not in the sim options?

balmy condor
#

he has recursion

strange python
#

ah

cyan bone
#

yea just got recursion

strange python
#

didnt see that either

#

I guess my EU brain too tired

cyan bone
#

worth farming diversion?

#

When I got recursion w socket?

strange python
#

it's about 10-15% more uptime

cyan bone
#

idk how good the uptime w recursion is

#

oh okay

strange python
#

and if you can be asked to farm another socket

cyan bone
#

well I got other stuff to put sockets on anyways

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like boots

strange python
#

do u have double shards or is it bugged?

cyan bone
#

I only have 1 shard

strange python
#

I love this bug 🙂

#

but they have different enchants?

#

u dont have 2 in bags?

cyan bone
#

I was simming for enchants before idk if that was still checked

#

I guess I should go dd for raids for now

strange python
cyan bone
#

wtf

strange python
#

ye

#

that's why Im asking xd

cyan bone
#

only got 1

strange python
#

in bags?

cyan bone
#

nah only got this one

strange python
#

Ok

boreal glade
#

whats haste % to choose crimson tempest?

strange python
#

I think the most common is about 65% @boreal glade

#

but the most reliable is to sim it yourself 😄

cyan bone
#

so dd is just better cause my ss pieces are shit right?

#

cause I got 71 haste

strange python
#

yes

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I forgot the proc ring though

rancid bobcat
#

damn

strange python
#

so Im resimming

rancid bobcat
cyan bone
#

wtf

rancid bobcat
#

im missing a free 1k dps

strange python
#

rip night elf 8))

#

I wonder what night elf would be

#

can u try it?

cyan bone
#

for that dd setup I should run worldvein major, iris lucid breath minor then?

#

I guess I just sim it again

balmy condor
#

you don't have bote

#

so that's rip

#

worldvein gud

bleak spoke
#

Does night elf profile meld for second exsang

strange python
#

mby CLF sims higher?

bleak spoke
#

Or does it just throw it

balmy condor
#

doesn't have that either

strange python
#

no

#

they throw it after vanish garrote

bleak spoke
#

Might be a gain if they didn’t

strange python
#

expires

#

ye

shut garnet
#

they do something really scuffed

#

which is use it after vanish one expires, then wait like 7seconds

#

then apply normal garrote on top of it and exang

cyan bone
#

do I use master assassin for raid?

#

ss specc

balmy condor
#

no

shut garnet
#

with SS definitely not

balmy condor
#

with SS you definitely dont

shut garnet
#

with DD, subt can still sim better

#

by a pretty substantial amount (600-900ish)

muted ridge
#

Do you guys know what does "wowprogress" sim? 'cuz on wowprogress my sim is 111k, but normally my sim is 110k, where are they taking 1k more?

#

(its pretty irrelevant im just curious)

feral flare
#

Pants, waist and gloves with vers on them I imagine isnt helping either.

#

Im at 72% haste

arctic walrus
#

we can't do much to help you unless you give a top gear sim

feral flare
#

Oh okay

balmy condor
#

@muted ridge the way I understand it, is that wowprog uses like 1k iterations or something really low

#

It’s just generally really inaccurate

muted ridge
#

ye just noticed their page about it

#

I mean that 1k gave me good ranking so not complaining. just pretty weird

balmy condor
#

Inaccuracy swings both ways

feral flare
balmy condor
#

I’m on mobile so it’s a little awful doing a sim

#

You have pretty good DD azerite tho

arctic walrus
#

haven't looked at it yet but you have better azerite for dd than ss

#

andyou still end up stacking expedient for that build anyway

balmy condor
#

I made it work

#

Mobile sims pog

#

Hold on

feral flare
#

Hmm. Yea titan residium has not been kind. So assuming I did get the appopriate peices for SS the rest would fall in line? In terms of essences and talents?

arctic walrus
#

didnt look like it for me so gl whispyr

balmy condor
#

cracks knuckles

arctic walrus
#

I mean I dont even know if ss starts outsimming unless you have mythic azerite

feral flare
#

oof

balmy condor
#

Oh it should

#

Most of the sims I see at least do

arctic walrus
#

heroic azerite outsimming 480 dds?

feral flare
#

Gorak Tul’s Mantle has continued to elude me.

balmy condor
#

Oh that’s what you mean

#

No that’s a little sketch

#

Unreadable

#

Vel read that

#

Mobile sucks

#

Be my eyes my dear

arctic walrus
#

change enchants

#

keeps the dd tho

balmy condor
feral flare
#

Lol. I literally just did an enchant sim and it told me to go mastery o.O

arctic walrus
#

you can run this and it would still pull ahead on cleave fights though

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feral flare
#

Ohh neat

balmy condor
#

50 dps difference

#

That’s a sidegrade

#

I would run that

feral flare
#

Thanks for that. Shame I was looking forward to using exanguinate 😛 Ah well. The extra haste should be fun.

quiet finch
#

7x Expedient rank 3
1x Expedient rank 2
1 Honed Mind rank 3

#

is that still bis corruptions

balmy condor
#

Yes

quiet finch
#

why a rank 2 instead of 3

balmy condor
#

And rygul, you do run exped on that

#

Because it keeps you under 60

feral flare
#

60 as in corruption? Im trying to stay under 39 for mythic prog.

balmy condor
#

The corruption is for myro

feral flare
#

Oh wrong reply sorry

quiet finch
#

7 exp 3 and honed mind 3 is 64

#

max cloak

balmy condor
#

My quick napkin math tells me that’s wrong

quiet finch
balmy condor
#

That’s current cloak my dude

quiet finch
#

yeah

#

is there a cap on the resist or is it gonna keep goin up by 3

balmy condor
#

It’ll go up for another 2 months ish I believe

#

Memory bad so I don’t remember the max

quiet finch
#

ill google rq

feral flare
#

125 iirc

balmy condor
#

Seems about right

feral flare
#

That'll be in september. 25th I think.

balmy condor
#

That’s what I was thinking as well

#

Like 125 cloak 135 with essence

#

Something around there

arctic walrus
#

what's the confusing part here about late end corruption setup

feral flare
#

Then for SL prepatch is allll goes away 😛

balmy condor
#

That’s the question isn’t it vel

arctic walrus
#

just dont know what this guy is askin rn smh

balmy condor
#

I’m patient :)

#

Not much else happening right now right

quiet finch
#

i was asking why exp 2 instead of 3

balmy condor
#

Because it keeps us under 60 with max cloak

quiet finch
#

yeah

#

but vel asked what was the question

#

idk if that was aimed at me

balmy condor
#

It was aimed at you

quiet finch
#

ye my question was stated

#

pretty clearly

balmy condor
#

Because I answered and you went on something with current cloak and resistances

quiet finch
#

i didnt know ab the max 125

balmy condor
#

Kinda confusing

#

But it’s all good

#

We got there in the end

quiet finch
#

yeah u knew what i was talkin ab

errant delta
#

Thats a good point any thoughts on what spec and gear we use for prepatch

balmy condor
#

I gotchu homie

#

No idea yet

#

Balancing doesnt exist on beta

#

So

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

Maybe sub becomes good

#

Who knows

#

Sin is most likely going back to poison build with breath Major

#

But prepatch is always a disaster

#

No point min-maxing it

thin cargo
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
green basalt
#

yay

#

got plum now

balmy condor
#

Gz

green basalt
#

thank you

#

now i just need the damn ring from WS then im gucci

#

64% haste UB now

#

feels good

cyan bone
#

Are gorak tul better than illgy shoulders?

#

for ss builds in raids

green basalt
#

yeah

#

think so

sudden trench
#

Sim it :)

balmy condor
#

Goraks are better yes

green basalt
#

man why do those socket eyes have to be so damn expensive

balmy condor
#

It’s actually pretty cheap

green basalt
#

aint like running visions 5 masks are any fun

balmy condor
#

Almost 5k for a full run

green basalt
#

yeah take about 5 runs for a socket or something

#

but still

#

visions aint fun 😛

balmy condor
#

ASshrug02 better than nothing imo

fleet whale
#

what i don't really like about the visions are the odd crystals. Collecting 10 of them only to get like 480 momentos is underwhelming

balmy condor
#

They’re pretty much on the way though

#

Like realistically they’re just chests

fleet whale
#

very small chests lol

#

i think if it was like 600-700 i would be ok with it

sick oyster
#

I mean they have fixed spawns not like its hard to find them / you wouldn’t go where they are anyway 99% of the time

balmy condor
#

Yeah it’s basically free

sick oyster
#

And if you really don’t enjoy them just don’t do them the xpack is over sockets / gear don’t matter anymore

loud brook
#

Killed cara last night

#

Nzoth is a goddam nightmare

green basalt
#

do not looking forward too that

loud brook
#

Yeah, I tried looking for a sin POV to optimize myself and I do not look like I'm gonna enjoy anything after second psychus

shut garnet
#

it ain’t that bad

quartz condor
#

I officially made the switch to Sin yesterday, kind of weird getting the rotation down, but it's super fun.

balmy condor
#

Glad you’re enjoying it :)

fleet whale
#

i just rushed to get enough echoes for another exp 3 lol

#

since i believe the rotation is happening soon in the US

loud light
#

yes, the vendor swaps in 13 minutes for NA

wild lion
#

where are our legendaries in shadowlands-.-

naive lynx
#

I was literally thinking the same

strange python
#

I was watching infexious rouge guide bleed build, and he’s was saying that even though gale caller trinket sims more plumage is still the go to due to very hard using it and it will turn out not a dps increase

balmy condor
#

infexious

#

galecaller is fine

#

as long as you hit it before exsang its gonna be pretty decent

#

if you can stand in it, good

strange python
#

Oh ok

#

Lol

#

I knew you couldn’t trust Magni teaching you how to rouge lol

balmy condor
#

34% crit btw

#

insane C R A Z Y rank 8 maut

#

BUT THE VITA?

uncut dragon
#

any info out on what theyve done to rogues in the beta?

balmy condor
#

wowhead has it in a mega-thread

uncut dragon
#

So...add shiv and slice and dice? Another maintenance buff? Great.

balmy condor
idle nova
manic pebble
#

Ahhh I’m late for exp3

balmy condor
#

indeed

#

almost 4 hours too late

manic pebble
#

I over slept

balmy condor
#

well it wasn't too bad

#

you probably bought most of it on tuesday

manic pebble
#

Yes I did, but I just want some spare exp3 in case I get a better gear

forest vigil
#

I missed it @balmy condor 😦

#

sad sauce and sad days

balmy condor
#

Yikes

#

F for my boi

civic hatch
balmy condor
#

With speed as well

#

God that’s hot

civic hatch
#

speed+socket proc lol

slim pebble
balmy condor
#

11 minute cara kill

slim pebble
#

Casual guild with friends. 😅

balmy condor
#

Yeah, it’s definitely not helping tho

#

your uptimes are pretty low

#

60% garrote 66% rupture uptime on the boss in phase 1

#

that's gonna hurt

#

vendetta exsang without vanish

#

bote out in the middle of nowhere

#

you did it fine in p3, so that's good

#

the bote comes after the exsang though

slim pebble
#

Ohhh okay. I thought I read BOTE came first. Thanks for the tip

balmy condor
#

another bote in the middle of nowhere

#

you got the vendetta exsang not 20 seconds later

#

in the last 4:45 of the fight, we only got 4 exsangs in, that's not good

#

your uptimes looking a lot better in p3 though compared to p1

#

so that's something

slim pebble
#

Garrote and rupture time probably weren't helped when I had to go to the opposite side of the room for tentacles.. maybe I should refresh them before I go?

balmy condor
#

100%

#

you also shouldn't be running to the opposite side for tentacles in p1