yeah ok
#assassination
fleet anchor
But anyway Whispyr just really depends on stats, available minors, etc.. Blood better than WV for me now but I can definitely see cases where it would be flipped. Has definitely been for me in the past.
fleet anchor
dim estuary
thanks for the advices
mortal oriole
My sims keep telling me i should shadowmeld garrote but i didn't think that applied the SS buff?
pale tiger
You need to chill in meld for a sec I think
balmy condor
it applies SS not subt
mortal oriole
Right i'll keep that in mind to do then cheers
pale tiger
I mean if you wait to drop combat and then stealth I don’t see why it would be any different from a normal SS garrote
drifting cloud
youre not dropping combat in boss fights
balmy condor
because we're talking raids
mortal oriole
it doesn't drop combat in pve
balmy condor
try
stone fable
How much corruption are yall rocking to do ex build? I have all the haste/crit in the world, and even at 60 corruption my tentacles/crit/haste sims higher
balmy condor
sims higher at like 20 for me
corruption doesn't matter
its about having the traits
link the sim
dusky kiln
Tenties are abit sim bait too tho like td and stars. They sim higher but you rely on rng. Whereas the stat corruptions are consistent
balmy condor
ye
but
not really tho
like tendies are strong, but they're not as much simbait as the others
they're still mega rng, but its less baity
stone fable
that is fair, right now I'm just doing gear compare, I don't yet have the heart of darkness az so I have to rely on my vendor 480's (which are good)
main blaze
Yeah the first one
balmy condor
main blaze
Thanks!
balmy condor
maybe you would prefer a table format
dusky kiln
At fresh 120 is poison bomb better to take then swap to ct at higher haste?
balmy condor
yes
dusky kiln
Sweet
velvet dome
is echoing blades azerite still worth it during tyrannical weeks?
balmy condor
for some keys yes
its definitely worth less
and don't bother pushing on tyran weeks
that's just fucking aids
empty ravine
i hear crimson tempest is gonna be all the rage with exgnt talennt
velvet dome
figured, just like to get my 15 done quick on tyran
nova basalt
I'm kinda looking for advice on gearing -> where should I go next https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g6sU77tAxjjyAufEKMZie1
the 2x expedient 3s on my rings are being bought this week, possibly more
brave jetty
balmy condor
the essences are also a little whack
breath 3 with that much haste can't be the play
cobalt gyro
didnt realize it was set to that
balmy condor
I'll run a second sim
cobalt gyro
but ye
balmy condor
I just kinda tossed together the first one
HM
not much more
actually down slightly
double NP bad
who would've guessed
novel drum
attempting to get a higher than blue parse on n'zoth
no clue how im gonna actually TRY to pasrse on this fight
i have no faith in being able to garrote all three adds on pull
fleet anchor
Getting 3 can be iffy unless you burn your Sprint or Shadowstep but often safer to save those for Paranoia
sand whale
use both then walk your way across once you get corruption slow
novel drum
im fine with burning sprint i think
problem is im not going to be able to test, my guild is going to one shot it lmfao
drifting cloud
I mean the one garrote thats geetting half duration isnt making you parse blue :d
balmy condor
novel drum
maybe just start with garroting basher twice
drifting cloud
I just exsang the eye since for us the basher dies faster most of the time
novel drum
hmm
drifting cloud
but that just depends how many mages you got most likely
alot of people on alts so we usually just do 2~ compared to 4 on prog
and theyre not both combusting on pull
and then depending how good your boss dmg is you might be losing 1 set of cds
I used to be able to sneak one in the chamber, but now boss dies too fast when we got out
but not fast enough where we would do mc coming right out
solar pendant
Should i be going right or left on mythic cara phase 2
also is there a point i should use vendetta on that phase
ember timber
Is it normal that full expedient build sims lower than severe/strikethrough with DD?
slim estuary
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f2f7rjBZYYTVg5AaHmjUSd
I finally got some corruption. Easily went 20k+ since last wed
slim estuary
I am 4 cloak tokens down and have 25k echoes left atm. Will make a decision before it rolls over as to what I do
winged basin
So I bought 4 expeds today, and put two on my shards and the other two on my 470 haste pieces, but now I think I am doing significantly less damage lol
not sure what I am doing wrong but I am at 52% haste
I know I dont have the flays from the dags anymore but is it really that big of difference? thought the raw stat would be better
arctic bramble
can someone give me ST opener for exen + tempest build, i just switch over and kinda lost 😒
balmy condor
in the pins
@winged basin do you have logs/sims?
hard to tell what's going on from "I think I'm doing worse"
winged basin
Nah, raid isnt til Friday, I will send you logs after raid Friday I can send you my simc tho
balmy condor
top gear works
stoic token
Thoughts on 2 BIS M+ trinks.. Both for tyrannical and fortified weeks ( if different)
arctic bramble
is it worth to put kidney shot in ur rotation with internal bleed ?
stoic token
in PVE?
arctic bramble
yea
vital haven
no
arctic bramble
so the 75 row they're all useless in raids ?
stoic token
the silence effect of iron wire i like alot more
especially in multi group pulls with casters
vital haven
thats the utility row
internal bleeding is good in certain encounters where you need to stun something
like hivemind drones
slim estuary
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wQWBoa3UhK6QcjsMXGAb2D Should I be using CLF? I remember seeing it always sims higher but isn't always better
balmy condor
@stoic token BiS m+ is vita/spyglass and vita/plumage
arctic bramble
oh nah, ill use outlaw for that fight
vital haven
prey on the weak is good as well if youy need to stun something
arctic bramble
i only play assassination in ST raid fights
stoic token
vita spy for tyrannical? and plum for fortified?
ok I been running vita and 445 razor coral
which still seems OP
balmy condor
other way around
spy for fort
plum for tyran
coral is okay
but its janky cause you have to carry the buff into the next pack
and its just kinda eh
spyglass is coral but better tbh
vital haven
coral is meh
stoic token
I dont really like having to apply it
stoic token
I dont have spy but I do have plumage
stoic token
alternative to spy? I have 470 alchemist stone with socket, 460 torment, 460 insignia,
stoic token
460 badge
also .. for m+ would u recc just stacking a bunch of crit buffs?
is there a cap.. im at 43% crit now
was just running as much crit mastery as possible
umbral rapids
34% is a hard cap
slim estuary
Is there any reason why I wouldn't want to macro GCB and exsang together?
#showtooltip Exsanguinate
/cast Galecaller's Boon
/cast Exsanguinate
for crit? ok .. so im way over.. um what then .. focus vers mastery instead?
stoic token
oh fuck man.. dont do that.. almost DE my shit
umbral rapids
@slim estuary why wouldn’t you macro it with vendetta instead ?
@stoic token you didn’t spend enough time in this channel yet I see 😅
umbral rapids
I believe m+ buils go for strikethrough / severe
sharp swallow
thats one down, one to go
strange python
@stoic token yeah I need that info as well all help would be appreciated
umbral rapids
But @balmy condor
stoic token
im running 22% haste adn 41% mastery with 2% vers.. im thinking I need to drop the haste and get more vers
umbral rapids
@sharp swallow oh wow ge
slim estuary
@slim estuary why wouldn’t you macro it with vendetta instead ?
@umbral rapids Was told to use it immediately before exsang if possible as in opener should go gar>rup>gar>vend>mut>rup>gcb>exsang
umbral rapids
Gz
umbral rapids
@balmy condor these guys need their hero
stoic token
also im running 2 Echo 3 ss and 1 NP .. but for tyranical weeks I change and echo for another Np.. is this wise?
rose sapphire
Just a quick question, is the value of honed mind affected by ilvl?
umbral rapids
Nope
stoic token
is raidbots dungeon slice garbage for m+?
stoic token
keeps saying haste my 2nd best stat and mastery is garbage
wary seal
guys i want to try to sim a corruption that i dont have, how to do tha
wary seal
okay ty
balmy condor
@stoic token never sim stat weights again
especially as dungeon slice
that's like double bad
balmy condor
crit vers for aoe
there's 2 schools of thought in m+ for sin
there's the "I'm a fake outlaw rogue"
and then "I'm a sin rogue and my aoe is garbage"
stoic token
hmm i think I may be the first camp
umbral rapids
😂
balmy condor
the first is 3x EB 3x SS crit/vers stacking, your single target will get pretty bad from that but you'll pump
strange python
Wtf my overlocking and logic loop of recursion is not simming good for me I thought it’s bis for exang build
balmy condor
the second is a raid build
stoic token
Blood of the enemy and 2 FOK
stoic token
I mean echos
balmy condor
3x SS 2x EB 1x TTK is the go-to for that
that's what I run on like tyran keys that still have trash
like atal's and that kinda stuff
stoic token
yep.. I like that.
stoic token
Freehold and Atal what I run most. some junkyard as well
umbral rapids
Ttk?
umbral rapids
Ah
balmy condor
zap bot scales with haste
umbral rapids
^
stoic token
ahh.. 22% enough?
balmy condor
22% haste?
stoic token
yeah
umbral rapids
ur fine
stoic token
ok cool
umbral rapids
balmy condor
ty bb still waiting on dinner tho
umbral rapids
yeahyeah 🙄
balmy condor
gt fked nub
main forge
oh derp
rigid eagle
lol how would WV even work with exsang build's cd
balmy condor
same way galecallers does
or plumage i guess
since its 2 min
you'd probably hit it before exsang since the duration is less
could just quick sim and see what the boss does
tbh
rigid eagle
do i save exsang for it tho
rigid eagle
worldvein is 1 min
balmy condor
oh is it
then its just like galecallers
you don't sync them up
cause that means missing a cast
and that's not worth
rigid eagle
i see
balmy condor
vop is fine
I personally don't do it
but its pretty good
I should probably do it
spice glade
is expedient stack still best instead of severe with only 2 shrouded suffocation? got spymasters wrap as my chest
spice glade
oh i see
strange python
spice glade
ty @balmy condor
umbral rapids
Cheeseballz
slim estuary
why doesn't mechagon sim well for him
strange python
@balmy condor overlocking bit and logic loop not simming well i thought it was bis for exang built
rigid eagle
@balmy condor logic loop is also 3 spells instead of from behind
slim estuary
is division or recursion bis for sin?
rigid eagle
division
balmy condor
divison
slim estuary
damn, I have recursion
balmy condor
that's fine
steep plover
Recursion isnt that bad but
balmy condor
@strange python
you give them equal corruptions
and now all of a sudden they're poppin
you can't compare rings with corruptions vs rings without corruptions
they're BiS
but they're not THAT BiS
like they aren't just going to flat out crush corrupted rings
ya know
strange python
ok, ty @balmy condor your the best mate keep up the good work
balmy condor
fossil slate
One of these days I gotta stop hoping the weekly chest will be good 😅
main forge
You failed at that. Should have started that today
slim estuary
@balmy condor can fix anything. Why do I green log mythic and not 100% parse 😂
balmy condor
idk but if you give me logs I'll probably figure it out
rigid eagle
@strange python also i notice you're giving up elemental whirl and that flame shit that gives crit?
balmy condor
lmao
slim estuary
I didn’t have any corruptions till today
balmy condor
I believe that to be the issue
main forge
Excited about the shadowlands loot chest... having a choice on items sounds great... I got the same belt that I got a couple weeks ago
balmy condor
slim estuary
Went +11k today and +20k since last wed
balmy condor
call me sherlock
main forge
Corruptions make you good.
slim estuary
It’s stupid how big corruptions are
strange python
ty @rigid eagle
stoic token
so.. my vers is 2%...
main forge
Nice.
slim estuary
Pop plumage
balmy condor
oof
stoic token
41/23/41/2 - yeah I put that on
main forge
I use plumage as a dps and damage taken helper
rigid eagle
i use plumage to instantly reach max tilt by reminding myself that i still don't have one...
umbral rapids
😂
stoic token
also I have a ss/TTK piece to go with my ss/echo x 2 but its 465 vs a 480 ss NP ( or rezan if i wanted) I have the higher ilvl piece on .. not sure if ttk worth dropping 15 ilvl for
main forge
I ran a M+ 15 last night in my pvp gear... shit sucked yo. but the 20% versa felt good with 10% less damage taken compared to the 2% I normally have on my raid set I run M+ with
balmy condor
I would use the 480
the NP basically takes the place of the TTK
It doesn't really
but I'm gonna pretend it does
and you're gonna believe me
rigid eagle
also 480 SS vs 465 SS right
stoic token
i believe everything u say
main forge
tell him he's beautiful!
stoic token
your American.. and in America everything we are told is "God's Honest Truth"
median igloo
Anyone have a link to the BIS sim?
balmy condor
what are you hoping to get out of it
median igloo
just curious of the gear choices
balmy condor
haste/crit or haste/mastery
median igloo
also what the top possible damage is
balmy condor
as high as the ilvl is
Idk if I have a "BiS" one in my history
but I have some pretty geared people floating around somewhere let me dig some sims up
median igloo
i have a choice to socket my 475 port pillager's or my 475 cord of anguished cries
balmy condor
I guess nairda's sim it is
its a pretty old one
but for what you're looking for it'll work
median igloo
ty
strange python
@rigid eagle ty for advice on elemental whirl and flame shit on Azerite my sim just jump 2k
rigid eagle
pog gratz!
main forge
Well you can't parse in just one spec can you?
umbral rapids
I saw that
balmy condor
yeah I vaguely remember that
umbral rapids
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2tyJtLWzEgnPsLN3iv4cg9
@balmy condor my corruptions today 
balmy condor
missing a cloak upgrade and you're running SS/TTK so no CT, and you're not using a vita, missing mecha rings
nice
umbral rapids
That’s an old one
umbral rapids
I have cloak up to date, i have ring, and plumage
balmy condor
you need daggers yeah
feral agate
guys when i sim my trinkets i always have ashvane + 475 canon first on st even over 475 plumage is taht okay ?
rigid eagle
@median igloo not even a wrath dagger?
median igloo
i do
balmy condor
wrath dagger is worse
balmy condor
that's a 465 haste/crit dagger
I find it hard to believe that a 475 wrathion would sim higher offhand than that
BUT WE CAN FIND OUT CANT WE
hm
u right u right
that's pretty interesting
drifting cloud
its not 😛
while ilvl in offhand aint worth much, the secondaries arent that much different aswell
median igloo
well the dream is to get cara dagger this week and slap a gw on it then move the 475 to the OH 🙂
balmy condor
haste
drifting cloud
and more agi.
rigid eagle
holy fuck i was gonna say 475 wrath dagger > 470 shard of the black empire for me
balmy condor
but I was proven wrong by science I guess
umbral rapids
rigid eagle
i need to move to mars
errant delta
so my sims say too use hloaded dice over vita should i trust them?
balmy condor
yes, but you should also realize the party buff from vita makes vita the better trinket in a raid/dungeon setting
balmy condor
CLF is good
feral agate
guys when i sim my trinkets i always have ashvane + 475 canon first on st even over 475 plumage is taht okay ?
balmy condor
cannonball runner?
what the
link the sim
should be running vita though as we said above
astral tiger
Anyone know if the BiS end-corruption is still 7x expedient 3, 1x expedient 2, and 1x honed mind 3?
balmy condor
but 475 getting beat by a cannonball runner
yes it still is
some people sim higher with RP3
but Hm3 is typically the better one
feral agate
@balmy condor i don't have vitæ :)
balmy condor
link the sim
feral agate
I can't link it for now not home sorry but i'll do it once home
balmy condor
kk
feral agate
I'm creating gear for Assa spec so i'm not optimal at all tbh
grizzled jay
Do we, optimally, go for haste/mastery everywhere with DD/TB build?
balmy condor
DD/TB isn't optimal to begin with
but you would gear similarly
exped haste/mast or haste/crit
grizzled jay
Is DD that far behind?
strange python
There was a trend in a this chat to macro vendetta, exang and gale caller. My question is is this a good idea?
balmy condor
to what
macro them all together?
the fk
you macro galecaller to vendetta
that's fine
errant delta
what uptime should i sim for formless void?
balmy condor
macroing to exsang is also technically fine I guess if you cast the galecaller first
the uptime depends a lot on what your tanks are running
if your tanks are running crucible major, then you can sim 90%
if they aren't, you'll probably need to drop that to like 40 or 50%
wary seal
should i remove my last standing TD2 and get 2x expedient 3s?
balmy condor
yes
strange python
Sweet ty
balmy condor
if we're talking about raids
wary seal
okay so, TD for m+ still ?
twin kite
hello, are mechagon's ring are the bis to never move? or if you get 2 other 475+ ring haste it's better?
twin kite
okay thx for the answer
muted ridge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/48sLtTw4aEbbNgwcuBfayY 8x exp3, I can finally play the game now. 
grizzled jay
Do top gear so us mobile mortals can admire your shit
drifting cloud
nope, still alliance
balmy condor
yeah I guess
muted ridge
'cuz im lazy shit to farm sockets
grizzled jay
I have decent sin set but all my sockets went to Outlaw
balmy condor
what about them
muted ridge
boring to do
muted ridge
farming mounts 
balmy condor
gtfo
muted ridge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8XFZsLWkGR9cNLwaZsEFJ7 here you got in in topgear, admire my laziness of not farming sockest
shut garnet
unlucky neck tho
grizzled jay
Tnx bro
balmy condor
excellent now I can hijack it and give gems
shut garnet
grizzled jay
5 gems ain't horrible. But btw, shouldn't he have a RP/HM?
balmy condor
do more damage
errant delta
well yer
balmy condor
idk your azerite is a bit of a mess
those shard aren't mythic
neither is the titanshard
shut garnet
the fuck’s rp/hm
balmy condor
racing pulse
shut garnet
balmy condor
honed mind
umbral rapids
Rip doc
shut garnet
nah thats last week shenanigans prob
muted ridge
5 gems ain't horrible. But btw, shouldn't he have a RP/HM?
@grizzled jay will get that on last week
balmy condor
you're almost missing 2 sockets
sage plank
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/acmYfAmq7fDyszkAgr2LB5 i feek like im missing something cause i outdmg my sim most of the time
errant delta
well yer where not up to mythic cara and zoth so thats a thing
sage plank
raden 98k
muted ridge
tbh, outdmg a sim not an uncommon thing
sage plank
maut 103k
sage plank
raden fight took 5 min and still outdmg it
shut garnet
if the fight length is 2 minutes ofc ur gonna do more damage than a 5 minute sim
ra-den hs adds
balmy condor
you're cleaving adds
and you're having a shorter fight on maut
@muted ridge its not uncommon, but that's usually not why people come here
muted ridge
truee
balmy condor
and usually when you hear "I outdamage my sim", its on a dummy
and not someone simming 5 minutes and then wondering why his 2:40 maut kill is crushing
shut garnet
it’s also worth noting it’s probably due to lucky procs n shit
e.g the top 1% iterations
balmy condor
lucky procs?
shut garnet
or w.e that get dilluted
balmy condor
what are those
shut garnet
when u outdng your sim i mean
balmy condor
you're telling me its possible to get lucky?
shut garnet
lucky procs 
whoever heard of cloak + bbi in opener
balmy condor
in wow?
umbral rapids
???
vestal dune
In raid there are also vita's from other players and maybe some essences buffing other players
muted ridge
Yeah getting all procs in opener is big rng
balmy condor
thanks for the sim zaiross
I will cherish this forever
now I can stop using nairda's sims
although I guess I should sim gems huh
shut garnet
i wonder what that ends up being w a honed mind on last week
errant delta
yer 1 raceing pulse gives me 1k dps
muted ridge
I was doing gearcompare the other day and it gave me 2k
balmy condor
they're close enough together where I'm guessing it'll end up with a combination most likely
and they're also close enough together to where the answer is "test every gem"
stat weights are still useless
gtfo
shut garnet
id rather sim 6 target 10 min patcherk with lust off for m+ like that guy said 2 weeks ago
than use stat weights
shut garnet
it’s close
balmy condor
but I'd rather sim 6 target 10 minutes with lust off and ignore that sim
than having my brain look at 12.82 and 12.76
and finding the difference
just to realize
it doesn't fucking matter
to anyone
shut garnet
balmy condor
I'm a pretty mellow guy
but if you link me a stat weight sim
I will find you
idc
get that trash off my screen
muted ridge
shut garnet
balmy condor
top gear? great stuff
gear compare? underused
quick sim? forgivable
stat weights? don't talk to me ever again
shut garnet
thing with gear compare tho is
its a lotta effort
cuz u cant sim gem combinations
you actually gotta manually change every slot to whatever till u get the best result and its such a 
balmy condor
or
or
or
wait for this huge brain
you gear compare
and the raw input literally HANDS YOU THE STRING on a GOLDEN PLATTER
and you can use that in top gear to sim your precious gems
should be a raidbots feature tbh
but its honestly not that hard
muted ridge
this guy is a hidden genius
shut garnet
what
balmy condor
here
I show you
we take the simc from zaiross's sim
name an item any item
what was that? you want thruk's heavy duty fishing pole? an excellent choice
ah yes
a masterpiece
raidbots desires an offhand
rigged
WE PICK A DIFFERENT ITEM
good ol ori's
we love ori's
rotund oak
drink some tea ma dude,it helps
balmy condor
yeah raidbots doesn't actually go that high
we'll do 400 though
ez pz
pog who would've thought IS3 ori's wrists at 400 ilvl would've been an upgrade
shut garnet
thats actually gigabrain
balmy condor
you see where it says copy=
and then it says "wrist=jfldaskjf;lkasdjfa;ldf"
copy that line
go back to your top gear
shut garnet
shut garnet
unironically did not know that was a thing
balmy condor
this has been simming with whispyr
grizzled jay
Ah so u basically add an item u don't have in your top gear noice
balmy condor
next week we'll go over how to make a creme reduction
muted ridge
That's giga brain
balmy condor
best part is that you can do like a bunch of items at a time
you make 1 gear set with all the items you want to test, which reduces the iterations significantly cause you're only doing 1 gear set
and then you can copy all the items over into a top gear that you have waiting in a different tab/window
and then that's where you slam all the items
you have to wait on the huge top gear only, not both
kinda huge
grizzled jay
My body is ready to sim conduits soul binds and leggos
balmy condor
oh I can't wait
start of the prepatch/expac is going to be a disaster
gonna be so many confused people in this chat
rigid eagle
lol sub chat is prolly gonna be even worse
spec's complete overhauled again
i swear sub rogue is the ryze of WoW...
balmy condor
yeah subs a nightmare
muted ridge
Whole discord will be a disaster. I will wait before 1st raid tier opens before I join this discord again
muted ridge
"what's best covenant?" "whats best conduit?" "best talents?" "how to sim conduits?"
oh no no no
grizzled jay
I feel outlaw will be decently chill ofc with the added crazyness of new people joining
lavish quarry
hey guyz! I couldn't find a specific answer to this but, is it viable to go SS build without full x7 exps?
balmy condor
it is viable
shut garnet
truly sends shivers down my spine
balmy condor
starting around 30% haste if you have the azerite
you'll only need like exped5 or something really low like that
lavish quarry
I currently have raden+cara+nzoth pieces, 32% haste (with no Exp) and enough echo to buy 4 rank3 exps
so, should I switch to that from MA build?
lavish quarry
perfect, thanks
grizzled jay
Spamming mutilate with low crit when having lots of haste mastery feels weird having few crits for those 6 combo points
glossy wyvern
Can I get too much haste with exsang build?
drifting cloud
you can
but you stil get exp everywhere
it just might tell you to swap some gems
lavish quarry
Whispyr, what about toxic blade vs exsanguinate with the stats I shared?
drifting cloud
shut garnet
pretty sure it stil is the case that tb and exang are within 1-1.5% of each other
lavish quarry
so its basicly, if it sims high, its ok? 😄
balmy condor
95% of the time, yeah
lethal arrow
Oh I see
I'm so hesitant to put exp 3 on pieces I might get upgrades from the m+ chest for
lethal arrow
Yah I have a pair of the 475 boots from raid that came with hm3
lethal arrow
drifting cloud
thers no way prepatch is november
balmy condor
its gotta be earlier than that
drifting cloud
ok I guess 10% chance its 3rd november
steel ridge
If you are running the TB build, are you stacking DD or SS?
harsh sphinx
cloak caps in 8 weeks so. i highly doubt it'll come before that
balmy condor
DD
warm olive
Fall actually is until dec 21
steel ridge
I struggle with the opener for TB without SS
balmy condor
then stop playing TB like a baddie
drifting cloud
yeah and theyre not releasing xpac middle of december
drifting cloud
because theyd lose shitloads of money
lean harbor
i still sim so low
shut garnet
while it'd be bad if they did, i'd rather have them do that than do prepatch 2 weeks after cloak cap
that'd be bs
steel ridge
I don’t, its just that my TB azerite is higher level
shut garnet
like hard bs
drifting cloud
I mean prepatch also probably isnt in September
shut garnet
early nov probably fine too
shut garnet
yea
drifting cloud
so yeah it "caps" literally on the 1st 
balmy condor
drifting cloud
were prolly getting release date in august anyways
drifting cloud
and the last 4-5 weeks before it are going to be prepatch
lean harbor
@balmy condor dude im putting my sockets into outlaw 😢
reroll moment
cheers tho :D
drifting cloud
well if you wanna do dmg
balmy condor
:)
drifting cloud
you prolly dont wanna run 32 corr 1 socket item sets
your gear is basically bis, cant really get drops
lean harbor
yeah i just need sockets
steel ridge
Catching up on sockets is a bitch tho
lean harbor
outlaw gear rn
i wish they reduced the amount of mementos for sockets
so i dont have to choose between raid or m+ rn
drifting cloud
yeah god forbid youd have to work for bis
so if you want double bis sets its like its double the work!
lean harbor
i mean its fine if you have mained it the entire tier
but iv played rogue like a month in raid lmao
drifting cloud
I mean it literally is farmable tho
balmy condor
yeah?
drifting cloud
you farm echoes and buy more keys with them
lean harbor
i run 4 visions a week then what
drifting cloud
?
lean harbor
no i spend that on corruption
balmy condor
^
lean harbor
well not any more since i got my expedient and strikethroughs
drifting cloud
cool, farm some more
lean harbor
haha just farm this to farm that 3head
warm olive
mini visions, npcs restore sanity and mobs drop coal vis.
balmy condor
I'm talking farming the vision juice
lean harbor
lets just add more layers
rigid eagle
@drifting cloud you can only get a certain amount of coalescing visions per week, which means there's a weekly cap to how much mementos you can farm
drifting cloud
no technicall about it
balmy condor
in theory you echo farm yourself to death
steel ridge
You need 6k echoes and 2-3 hours of time per socket
balmy condor
but that's not really how it works in reality
cause 2 sets of BiS also means 2 sets of corruptions
drifting cloud
yeah and vendor has been out for what 2months
balmy condor
and you'd be insane to spend echoes on keys for sockets when you're making 2 sets of BiS corruptions
drifting cloud
and in 2months people will still use the same complaints
is it too much of a grind? for sure
but you can farm it endlessly if you want
shut garnet
what minors do u even play in m+ if u just wanna run raid build
bote vop lucid breath?
balmy condor
sure
we can agree on that
bote lucid breath iris
but if you're running enough haste
which you should be
shut garnet
im at 75% unbuffed kekw
sullen pagoda
my only problem is the dumb rotation
i guess putting all the corruptions in was just too complex for blizzard
balmy condor
yeah putting it on a vendor rotation is kinda silly
shut garnet
guessin formless is a no go
balmy condor
not enough uptime
feral agate
@balmy condor here is my sim : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mm7976RuQDCZTCBK24x2Hd
vast forum
why are you simming 10 minutes?
vast forum
cannonball doesn't perform as well as it sims
ever
even if the target is standing still, it can spawn awkwardly and miss it
in sims, every cannon shot hits the target
balmy condor
but @feral agate the reason this is happening is cuase you're undergeared. The agi from the cannonball runner is driving up the sim. Cannonball runner shouldn't ever be used because of what yoppa is talking about above me
run the wrathion trinket
feral agate
@balmy condor @vast forum okay i get you 🙂 so wrathion >> plume ?
balmy condor
in this case, yes use the wrathion
drifting cloud
unless your attacking a target dummy
feral agate
yep 🙂
thnx for your help ! also i'm able to bye 3 expedient this rotation should i wait for 475 gear or i can cleanse for now my 470 dagger ?
balmy condor
you can sim that
feral agate
yeah but i wanted to keep them for better gear tbh 😒 i don't have enough haste gear
vast forum
in general, use it on gear that you'll be using for a while
feral agate
yeah that's my point 🙂
so i guess my 470 dagger is the best bet, but i have to cleanse appendage
zinc zealot
big dammm on that haste % https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d9BqK5jZfrXanUnZovjGeV
scarlet sequoia
peasant sims
feral agate
@balmy condor also it's better to sim only for 5mins ?
balmy condor
name a fight other than nzoth that goes on for 10 minutes
people these days are actually simming 3 minute or even 2 minute
cause fight lengths are getting really short with all the corruption damage
muted ridge
not false
balmy condor
I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken
shadow wedge
balmy condor
anyway 3am boys someone else gets to deal with the EU plebs
love you all go wash your hands
balmy condor
yeah looks good
feral agate
should i cleanse boots and go for haste on rings ?
@balmy condor oh sorry you're gonna sleep 🙂
balmy condor
nah I'll do this one rq
you should probably find boots with haste first
missing a couple pieces with haste
and farm mecha rings
mecha rings are kinda huge
so I wouldn't exped that signet
also use a quick nav on your offhand enchant
aighty peec
feral agate
thnx a lot dude have a good night 😉
willow isle
How does this corruption with versatile proc work? Is it worth for dps? I know I shoul sim this, but dunno if it is counting with dmg taken to proc
fading coyote
hey guys I dont understand stat sims
My rogue is 475 with 5x expedient trait
I have 54% haste
sims still rate haste as 3rd best stat behind mastery and crit
shouldny
shouldnt haste be way before crit / mastery cause of +50% bonus from expedient 3 ?
wtf
drifting cloud
no because we scale like poop
fading coyote
i read I should like blindly stat haste on stats and corrupt oit for expedient
stack
was it a mistake
sorry for noob questions but this is confusing
edgy pawn
he sims 4t
wind totem
thats not a st sim though
drifting cloud
oh its a 4 target sim
I mean droptimizer for a 4t 90s sim
thats the dumbest thing ive seen in the past week
wind totem
good to know
drifting cloud
youre not going to get any useful info from this
wind totem
kinda irrelevant to my question though
how so. 4t 90 sec is the sim people suggest for m+ estimations
drifting cloud
not for this spec
drifting cloud
is that why you have spark of inspirtaion in minor, because it sims the best in this scenario?
ive literally had to read what it does, dont think ive ever seen a rogue run that
but I guess it makes sense it would sim good here because youd get double iris instead of only 1
in exactly 90s
bronze aurora
Never played sin before, but I'm gearing it 😄
Is the mechagon ring a fat dps upgrade?
drifting cloud
yeah
wind totem
Care to suggest hwo to sim for m+ then ryler?
drifting cloud
with the behind ring it has like 98% uptime
bronze aurora
Nice, will farm more today
I don't raid mythic but the 470 daggers from cara are good?
Better than 475 from Mythic Wrath?
drifting cloud
worse in mainhand, around the same in oh
bronze aurora
Perfecto
drifting cloud
not a huge difference by any means
cunning grove
Is Heart of Darkness always worth taking over Nothing Personal with the haste meta assuming you're stacking?
steel ridge
worse in mainhand, around the same in oh
@drifting cloud how much are we talking here for those 20 weapon dps? Like 500 dps i assume?
drifting cloud
yeah
5 ilvls is well the minimum it can be, but weapon dps is still king
because none of our secondaries are that bad
steel ridge
I cant seem to drop the wrathion weapon and havent got any luck for the chest either... stuck with 2 shards since forever
but i need to apply exp3 to both weapons soon 😦
woven summit
What would you guys rather have for m+ if you had to choose, 3x EB 2x SS or 2xEB 3X SS?
warm olive
3xSS and 2xEB is going to be the answer without doubt