assassination

[balmy condor]

pretty gud

[icy girder]

u cant meld on bosses

it doesnt let u use stealth

[balmy condor]

I thought meld works like vanish

[icy girder]

nope

only on trash homie

[balmy condor]

unlucky dude

ally sucks

[icy girder]

haha yea

but everyone plays it in oce

and im oce

[balmy condor]

rip

[mental trout]

is oce a meme also?

[balmy condor]

they get memed on by na a lot

[icy girder]

oce has alot of good guilds

[balmy condor]

there's good guilds in every region these days

[icy girder]

top 10 lvl

[drifting cloud]

oce has same amount of guilds in top20 than NA

[balmy condor]

like even asia is competitive now

you look back to like late wod early legion

huge gains

[icy girder]

yea for sure

[steep plover]

Oi so to clear it up, gar,rup, gar mut, rup, vend, exsang, bote, mut/evenoms

Amd then just refresh bleeds when exsang comes

[balmy condor]

vend mut rup

[steep plover]

Oh

So vend after the 2nd garrote?

[balmy condor]

ye

[steep plover]

And when u line ur cds up so u hold bote enemy to line with vend and vanish, u repeat the opener?

[balmy condor]

yes

but you can start at 3cp

and gar rup gar exsang

:-}

[steep plover]

Ye so u dont need to mut

Respect

Tyyy again cuzzy

[balmy condor]

np brudur

[steel ridge]

the socket grind is real

[umbral rapids]

Man

I started learning sin this week

And realized i only had two sockets on sin gear

[steel ridge]

well i just earned my second socket, none of my drops had one

[umbral rapids]

Missing two on outlaw gear

[steel ridge]

i would love to spend echoes to buy sockets

[umbral rapids]

I’m actually so broke on echoes lol

[steep plover]

Same

I was gna buy a severe

[umbral rapids]

Bought 6 strikethrough

[steep plover]

But i wont have enough for severes

LOL

I bought 4 strikes a 2 severes

Rip

[umbral rapids]

And I have 2 strikethrough 1 severe and one IT in my bank

[steep plover]

Lmaoo

[balmy condor]

Ineffable

[umbral rapids]

Now I need to save for expedient

Ineffable is pog on outlaw

[steep plover]

Gna hit M nya next week boysss

[steel ridge]

yeah i am gonna buy 2-3 more exp3

[umbral rapids]

It’s not great number wise but it feels so gooooood

I’ll probably have enough to buy 2 exp when it comes back

Maaaaaybe 3

[steel ridge]

might even be able to afford 4, but no place to put them xD

[umbral rapids]

I just don’t know what other secondary to go for

Oh i have so many 465 items just sitting in my bags/bank

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486726260949647370/729093430831218748/unknown.png

[balmy condor]

you have the same rings like 3 times

[umbral rapids]

I have 4 thornwoven band...

[balmy condor]

sir?

SIR?

[umbral rapids]

THEY’RE ALL SOCKETED

[balmy condor]

HELLO

[umbral rapids]

Listen

I can’t get rid of it

I’m like

What if I’ll need it someday

YOU NEVER KNOW OKAY ?

[steel ridge]

lady has some shoes aswell

[balmy condor]

this is cursed

what have you brought into my good channel

you heathens

[umbral rapids]

I actually have them all socketed, corrupted one with severe, and one with strikethrough that I wear. JUST IN CASE

[arctic walrus]

I aggressively hoard as well, this patch only

You never know if you'll need a 440 racing pulse 1

[umbral rapids]

Exactly

[balmy condor]

God is typing

[steel ridge]

hoarding is the way

[umbral rapids]

Alright to be fair i used to hoard a lot more

Then deleted everything that isn’t 465

[steel ridge]

since you need so many different pieces for sin/outlaw/sub/pve/pvp/m+/raids

[balmy condor]

420 ring from world quest

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vwggHxiw2ScqMDfZ5rGXt1

[umbral rapids]

I have that...?

[arctic walrus]

look at my bags

[balmy condor]

BUT ITS HAS TD3

[umbral rapids]

Oh

[arctic walrus]

ignor the sim it's just a test

[umbral rapids]

pupu sim

Only 115k

Eww

[balmy condor]

he's simming for max cloak

[arctic walrus]

you're hilarious if you think i'm farming neck lvl

92

[balmy condor]

imagine not even bote4

[umbral rapids]

Joking...

[arctic walrus]

i'm at like 52k honor

[umbral rapids]

My sin sims like 85k

My outlaw sims 93

[steel ridge]

do you guys not have heart 92?

[arctic walrus]

I only went that extra 2k because of some rbgs a long time ago

[umbral rapids]

Yes 92...

[balmy condor]

getting another neck level would get me more crit

I'd push past 34

can't do it

no more ap for me

[arctic walrus]

absolutely cannot

[balmy condor]

gonna stop raiding

[arctic walrus]

take off your neck if you go past 34

[balmy condor]

bosses give AP

unacceptable

[umbral rapids]

Dungeons give AP

[arctic walrus]

just dont consume the ap

[umbral rapids]

Stop playing

[balmy condor]

oh god

uninstalling right now

[umbral rapids]

[balmy condor]

can't even pet battle

[umbral rapids]

Pet battles give ap ...?

[balmy condor]

if you do the world quests for it

[umbral rapids]

Memes aside

Which other secondary do you go for

And why 34 crit 🤔

[balmy condor]

mastery or crit

[umbral rapids]

What happens after 34

[balmy condor]

34 crit is a meme from infexious guide

where he randomly decided to say you go to 34% crit and stop

with 0 data to back it up

[umbral rapids]

Oh. So we don’t really care

[balmy condor]

yeah no we don't have breakpoints

[steel ridge]

i am woke at 35%

[umbral rapids]

Any piece crit/haste mast/haste is good

[balmy condor]

yeah usually

high ilvl haste/crit haste/mast and you're chillin

[umbral rapids]

Gotcha

[balmy condor]

one haste/vers piece won't kill you either tbh

[umbral rapids]

Yah

[umbral rapids]

Atm my sin gear has 3/4 crit vers pieces

[balmy condor]

looking at you vel

[umbral rapids]

Cause no expedient

[balmy condor]

not optimized

reee

[arctic walrus]

yeah dont check the pants

[balmy condor]

crit/mast

[umbral rapids]

So raidbots wants me to use crit vers socket strikethrough gear

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/disgustang-disgusting-disgusteng-havinashet-shet-gif-12520181

for single target?

[umbral rapids]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

n a n i

send it

lets see the garb

[umbral rapids]

I’m far from optimized tbh

That’s basically my outlaw pieces

[balmy condor]

3x DD?

[umbral rapids]

Just picked up the spec 2/3 days ago

DD ?

3 ss

[steel ridge]

Double Dose

[balmy condor]

you have 3x dd and its recommending crit/vers

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m1ssuZUfKxwZJAn6nk6oTD

check mate @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

[umbral rapids]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eWQtQmnJdbAnU6GrV7k6kv

Just my sin gear is still shit

I don’t have enough expedients yet

Ignore talents I know I should use internal bleeding/exsang

[balmy condor]

internal is whatever

[arctic walrus]

well yeah it'll use just waht you have to fill your corruption budget, nothing unusual

[umbral rapids]

Just learning the thing atm then I’ll add buttons

Yeah that’s what I said

It’s just filling atm until I get expedient

[balmy condor]

but ye that's kinda yuck

[umbral rapids]

tfw my sin gear sims lower than my outlaw

Well yeah

[balmy condor]

I guess crit + vigor

and ta/gw

[umbral rapids]

Give me a few weeks and it’ll be pog

Instead of yuck

[arctic walrus]

you have 9 days to farm 45k echoes

[umbral rapids]

Hm

[balmy condor]

dude ez

[umbral rapids]

[arctic walrus]

I rounded up so see it's not even that bad

[balmy condor]

just play the game

[umbral rapids]

Hey but I already have 2 expedients

[balmy condor]

oh god I picked the blurry one again

[umbral rapids]

Better

[balmy condor]

the problem with nitro

and a lot of servers

is that my :4head

looks like this

[umbral rapids]

10 versions of the same emote

[umbral rapids]

🤔

[balmy condor]

impressive

[umbral rapids]

It’s 4 4head

Anyways, I’ll have like 5/6 expedients in 9 days probably

[steel ridge]

in 9 days, i will finally be caught up in cloak resistance...

[balmy condor]

wasn't even bad right

just like 60k echoes

[lost horizon]

Echo wall for new alts is absurd

[balmy condor]

It was weird to me that they linked it to echoes

And not uncapping the visions

[keen tree]

im still a little confused about the rotation in ST and AoE situations. I've read teh wowhead one a few times. Anyone got a link to a youtube video that might clear it up?

[steel ridge]

whats confusing for you?

[balmy condor]

There’s also the ravenholdt guides up top/in pins

Maybe those would help explain it slightly differently

[rigid eagle]

hey guys, i have a more "general direction" sort of gearing question

so rn i have a set of crit/mastery and crit/versa gear

with severe/strikethrough on all of them

but i have 0 EB

and then my set of exped gear is like on average 5 ilvls lower, but i have do 3 SS

should i give up on the SS/EB set to raise ilvl of the exped set lol

i do pretty much everything pve so its a tough choice..

[balmy condor]

That depends on what you’re looking to do

Are you on prog?

[rigid eagle]

sadly yes..

only 5/12 mythic rn but im also trying to farm io scores

[balmy condor]

I honestly think it’s fine tbh

[rigid eagle]

after ausrr gave me that lecture a while ago, idk if i rly need to fish for the 3 SS 3 EB miracle...

[balmy condor]

It would be a ton of work to re-corrupt all that shh

[rigid eagle]

im thinking of switching over my two daggers from the crit set rn

both 475 crit/versa but big ilvl boost

plus i basically have haste on every other slot already

[balmy condor]

What’s the sim difference looking like

[rigid eagle]

double 475 crit/versa dagger is like 1.5k dps above 470 +465 crit/haste daggers

[balmy condor]

With equal corruptions and stuff?

[rigid eagle]

im actually still simming a bit rn

yeah

[balmy condor]

Interestibg

[rigid eagle]

the thing is i put sockets onto both of the crit/versa daggers cuz i enjoy m+ more

but then ausrr helped me realize that i dont 100% need to go for the perfect crit + EB build to push

[balmy condor]

Ye

[rigid eagle]

so rn those two daggers are beefy in all sims lol

actually I saw someone else post their sim on here with the exact same daggers a day ago lol

shrine dagger + wrathion dagger

[balmy condor]

Yeah idk man

It’s a lot of feely-crafty stuff

[rigid eagle]

should i maybe just wait out a few more weekly caches lol

see if i uber luck out and get another 475 dagger

[balmy condor]

I mean you have the two sets set up, you enjoy m+ more

I would just chill

[rigid eagle]

but i dont have EB for all my crit and crit dmg to scale lul

i feel like the crit build's mostly to scale the EB right?

and if i only have 3 SS haste might just be better?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you have single target azerite

[rigid eagle]

yeah

[balmy condor]

So just buy the eb/ss off of the vendor when you get the residuum

[rigid eagle]

LOL

lik

buy them buy them

for 20k?

[balmy condor]

If you don’t want to gamble it yeah

[rigid eagle]

can i even save up 60k residuum b4 SL prepatch

[balmy condor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Then you gamble and pray

[rigid eagle]

been doing that

i've been having absoluely fantastic luck

with sub gears...

gamble helm twice, got the aoe and single target bis for sub lmao

[balmy condor]

And then you scrapped it and got 2k chalk back

Pog

[rigid eagle]

exactly xD

might actually keep one of them cuz i do all my world stuff as sub

[balmy condor]

Y tho

[rigid eagle]

blink >>>> walking

and its not like there's dps check for dailies lul

blink + BotD -> loot

[balmy condor]

Flying >>>> everything

I just hit everything with throw dagger and then aoe like 6 or 7 at once

[rigid eagle]

do you have 3 EB by any chance...

[balmy condor]

Or I sprint and garrote drive by

CT and bote

More than enough

[rigid eagle]

ah

[balmy condor]

I do world content in my raid set and sometimes don’t even notice

The only time I notice is when fok hits like a noodle or I notice my energy is ridiculous

But CT actually pumps

Not gonna lie

[rigid eagle]

lol yeh it does

but then even when u pull u gotta wait for things to come to u

just blink to them man

oh btw btw,

[balmy condor]

Ye, that’s when I pay attention to the anime on the second monitor

So I don’t completely lose track

[rigid eagle]

I think for all the 480 ilvl sims, I always see them wear like 1 or 2 pieces of no haste gear

is it just for the ilvl with stuff like carapace boots

or does haste on gear have a certain point of diminishing return?

[balmy condor]

stares at vel

[rigid eagle]

exactly

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t say it’s diminishing returns

So much as all the stats work together

If you’re casting more because you have more haste

You naturally raise the value of crit for example

[rigid eagle]

so haste isn't falling off, you just start needing the other stuff a bit more

[balmy condor]

It’s more of a balancing act yeah

[rigid eagle]

so maybe if i have full haste on everywhere else, double crit/versa dagger could work?

[balmy condor]

I don’t see why not

It might not be super BiS

But I argue good enough

[rigid eagle]

but i mean, the only upgrade would be cara dagger right

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[rigid eagle]

people in my guild are legit inting on hivemind rn, me included, cara feels wayyyy too far away

[balmy condor]

You guys kill xanesh first?

[rigid eagle]

nono, we can do hive

but we have to like

[balmy condor]

Oh it’s just struggle

[rigid eagle]

fail 7-10 times

[balmy condor]

I see

[rigid eagle]

xD

i actually deal less dps on hive than i do on shad/maut

i feel like im playing the fight super wrong

[balmy condor]

Feels EB but also shouldn’t be happening even without EB so yikes

[rigid eagle]

but im also the only one who's hitting tekris instead of aoeing kazir to farm dmg meter...

every pull im like top 3 tekris dmg but like 80k-ish dps overall

[balmy condor]

I mean even if you don’t pad adds

You should still be higher than shad just by way of cleave

So idk

[rigid eagle]

yeah honestly idk why i suck so much at that fight

actually i also do more dmg on our failed raden pulls than i do on hive lmfao

[balmy condor]

U wot

[rigid eagle]

yeah i do more dmg just pumping ST and doing a few mechanics

i feel like i might be caring about the green shit on the ground too much

[balmy condor]

Just pump ST on hivemind then 4head

[rigid eagle]

lol i'm always trying to dodge the green puddles on the ground

have trouble finding a place where i can stay still for more than two seconds

[balmy condor]

You gotta do the jiggle dude

Everyone does the jiggle

The melee jiggle

[rigid eagle]

i mean i jiggle back and forth just to press a few more buttons

[balmy condor]

and then use it as a stutter step

[rigid eagle]

but on hive i have to move away from a spot and never go back

[balmy condor]

Huge brain

You jiggle into some green shit? Jiggle away from it

[quaint vortex]

can't jiggle if you're hitting jump every GCD though 😭

[rigid eagle]

maybe i have to jiggle with more pinpoint accuracy then!

always jiggling away from green

[balmy condor]

One of my raiders found the wa from uldir that counts the amount of times you jump in a fight

And now my entire raid of degenerates spend every reclear going for a new high score

[quaint vortex]

tell your raid I'm an expert jumper and I'm confident I can beat them

[balmy condor]

Don’t encourage it

[rigid eagle]

imagine the wrathion fight..

[balmy condor]

Oh I don’t need to imagine it

[quaint vortex]

500 jumps later

[balmy condor]

I’ve heard 10 people call for a freedom at the same time

I know what that sounds like

[quaint vortex]

can you escape artist the stacks btw

I'm debating race changing my rogue from human once I'm done grinding out paragon box r4 essences

[balmy condor]

Idk anything ally does

Apparently you can’t even meld during bosses

Y’all got some janky ass racials

[rigid eagle]

wait they cant?

[balmy condor]

I was corrected on it earlier

So I guess not

[rigid eagle]

is this...actual balancing of the game???

blizzard not giving one race an extra empowered garrote?

[balmy condor]

Troll racial exists

[rigid eagle]

...oh right

[balmy condor]

And you can still meld->stealth in m+ on trash

[rigid eagle]

which first clear guild and raid was all troll again lol

[quaint vortex]

yep, our racials can be pretty jank depending on the content you're doing

[balmy condor]

Remember entire guilds transferring to goblin for kil’jaeden prog?

That was a good one

[rigid eagle]

the tanks in our guild are trying to use VE racial to kite raden orbs xD

[quaint vortex]

like, you can meld - restealth in pvp, but I'm pretty sure you can't meld restealth during a raid encounter

[rigid eagle]

wheelchair class prot pally

[quaint vortex]

didn't some guilds go full velf for uunat as well?

[rigid eagle]

the guy legit wants to race change

[balmy condor]

Wasn’t as bad as kil’jaeden I think

Kiljaeden was actually disgusting

Alliance guilds were legit screaming in forums and reddit about not having rocket jump on prog

It was mega messy

[quaint vortex]

we've had issues with troll racial ever since TOGC beasts but haven't had many full race changes apart from needing rocket jump for KJ

we can do some pretty nice things in m+ with meld though

[balmy condor]

Yeah meld restealths are pretty hype in m+

[quaint vortex]

I usually end up with 2-3 melds in group whenever I do AD

rezan is just straight up patchwerk with nelf resets

not sure why blizz made it so that you can meld to reset fixate on other people but I'm not gonna question it

[rigid eagle]

wait wot

[balmy condor]

There’s a lot of questionable stuff

[rigid eagle]

if YOU meld you reset other ppl's fixate????

[umbral rapids]

yeah

anybody can meld

[rigid eagle]

...good ol' blizzard balancing

[umbral rapids]

it's been bugged for ages

[balmy condor]

Bugged? You mean interesting gameplay feature

[umbral rapids]

well yeah

[distant lava]

there's still no one playing alliance

[umbral rapids]

hey !

eu alliance ftw

[quaint vortex]

yep so basically if hunters/rogues get it they will vanish or feign, then you rotate meld for every other fixate

[balmy condor]

Oh right

It’s 3am

[distant lava]

I bet until they give a random alliance racial the ability to oneshot a mythic boss or a dungeon at the press of a button nobody will swap

[balmy condor]

All the EU scrublets are waking up

[distant lava]

cmon man

[balmy condor]

It’s only a matter of time till ausrr decides to show up

[quaint vortex]

then you can end your shift and go to sleep

[balmy condor]

The scrublet-est of them all

Yeah basically

XD

[quaint vortex]

you two have a really great system worked out

[balmy condor]

We even both speak german

So in DM’s we’re just chillin in German

[distant lava]

[rigid eagle]

@distant lava i actually swapped alliance when sylvanas went from a bond villain to hitler...

[distant lava]

germans

[balmy condor]

He’s 9 hours ahead of me

It’s hype

[distant lava]

you swapped to alliance

cause of lore

[rigid eagle]

also

hot blueberry elf waifu

[balmy condor]

Feels RP man

[rigid eagle]

that might've played a part too

and also also

half price transmogging

[distant lava]

what do you actually do in the game

just asking

[red pagoda]

horde also has blue elves!

[balmy condor]

U gonna simp for tyrande but not sylvanas

[rigid eagle]

trying to push 3k io and CE rn lol @distant lava

[balmy condor]

Hmmmmmmmm

HMMMMMM

[rigid eagle]

nonono i simp for my own VE

[balmy condor]

That’s arguably worse

[rigid eagle]

xD

[quaint vortex]

at least he isn't simping Jaina?

[distant lava]

wait you went

VE ?

[rigid eagle]

yes LOL

half price transmogs man

i've probably saved like 100k gold at this point

[balmy condor]

I simp genn jaina uhhh AH mount

[quaint vortex]

he needs that half price xmog to hit 3k io and get CE

[rigid eagle]

i legit do man

[quaint vortex]

everyone knows you can't prog in this game without good xmog

it's a well known fact

[rigid eagle]

i cant prog if i dont even have gold to buy flasks

xDDDD

[distant lava]

Imagine being alliance and not even picking the OP race

[shut garnet]

what did i just read

[rigid eagle]

lul NE wayyy too ugly

[balmy condor]

Y’all can read?

These eyes are purely cosmetic

[distant lava]

NE's the best looking race

close second is female nightborne

[rigid eagle]

[hollow panther]

Plus they do the bouncy tit thing

[distant lava]

VE just has the shitty BE model

[balmy condor]

Aight now you made it weird

[distant lava]

male NE ftw

[quaint vortex]

it's all about the nelf thighs my dude

[rigid eagle]

[balmy condor]

Now we’re getting intellectual

I can’t keep up

[rigid eagle]

i swear to god all night elves look 50

[quaint vortex]

the tit bounce thing doesn't even make it worthwhile, but the THICC thighs do

[red pagoda]

the thing I miss the most since switching to horde is my night elf

[rigid eagle]

at least their face

[quaint vortex]

i mean, they're all hundreds of years old, if not 1k+

[red pagoda]

they're probably like 10 thousand years old

[hollow panther]

I've never played ally but if I did I'd probably have a ne

[quaint vortex]

that Korean skincare is working overtime if they only look 50

[balmy condor]

Several people are typing...

Channels dead all day

[distant lava]

[rigid eagle]

yeah but imagine looking a day older than 21

[shut garnet]

NE also broken for assa yknow

[balmy condor]

But y’all get worked up over thighs

[distant lava]

NE's broken for everyone

[shut garnet]

bit of a waste not to NE

[quaint vortex]

bring up nelf thighs and this place blows up

[thorn falcon]

Thick thighs save lives

[quaint vortex]

my work here is done

[rigid eagle]

@shut garnet ik man, but i'm also the sorta guy who plays forsaken in PVE instead of troll/orc back on horde xD

[shut garnet]

[hollow panther]

I've always played forsaken. But I'm very casual so it doesn't matter

[balmy condor]

@tropic ocean I can’t take it anymore get me out

[red pagoda]

I got a goblin rogue, cashing in on that 1% extra haste

[tropic ocean]

whats happening

i need to grind 7k echoes

[balmy condor]

simps

As far as the eye can see

Take it from me

The guy with the anime pfp

Who is definitely not a simp

[shut garnet]

[distant lava]

[rigid eagle]

@tropic ocean i was asking about build to improve my stuff since we had our EB discussion, but somehow managed to start a waifu war...

[distant lava]

maiev's talking while he has a winnie the poo pfp

the furry simp

[shut garnet]

shut the fucj up

iTS NOT

WINNIE

[distant lava]

I KNOW

[rigid eagle]

it's the chinese president?

[distant lava]

but I can't unsee it

[shut garnet]

[rigid mango]

Nice winnie pfp

[quaint vortex]

looks like winnie to me

[balmy condor]

This channel is a disaster lmao

[distant lava]

[rigid mango]

Also this is damned off topic

Move it chaps

[balmy condor]

Zine boutta clap some cheeks

[rigid mango]

[distant lava]

clap me zine

[rigid eagle]

wait @balmy condor that's a Z in that name...?

im learning so much!

[balmy condor]

Nah it’s an F

For fine

[rigid mango]

#wow-general #off-topic lads and ladettes

[balmy condor]

[rigid mango]

And yes it's a Z

[rigid eagle]

👍

[cunning needle]

probably a minor matter but if vendetta has like 3 seconds left

but your rupture ran out

do you rupture during those last 3 seconds

or do you envenom and rupture after vendetta comes off

[cobalt pelican]

rupture

[cunning needle]

kk

what if it's like 1 second 😛

still rupture?

[cobalt pelican]

envenom doesn't do anything

your rupture shouldn't ever be falling off except small gaps post exsanguinate

[cunning needle]

thought with envenom damage during vendetta would be worth

yeah it's only sometimes during the exsanguinate

when theres a second or two

[cobalt pelican]

you wouldn't delay rupture reapplication for an entire cp cycle just to add like 5k dmg (if that) to an envenom

[wet yarrow]

Is assassination the best lvling spec?

[shut garnet]

sub is probably best

[cunning needle]

i prefer sub

[shut garnet]

or outlaw

[wet yarrow]

Ty 🙂

[cunning needle]

sub with ele force

[shut garnet]

adding a stealth garrote to an already ticking normal garrote just resets the timer and makes it a full 24s SSed garrote right?

[tropic ocean]

ya

[harsh abyss]

On ST im struggling greatly with energy, is lucid minor absolutely mandatory+

[strange python]

if you don't have haste it's very nice

[harsh abyss]

I do 0 dmg on ST but on aoe I can deal dmg

crit mastery

Do I use haste for tyrannical?

[icy girder]

um

yes

[harsh abyss]

Do I always use haste ro what?

I just saw the guide say crit mastery for m+ but I deal 60k on aoe and under 30k on st

[brisk delta]

Haste for ST, in AoE it loses value forEnergy regen

[harsh abyss]

Do I change this?

HUUUUUUUGE energy problems on ST

I play m+

[dire spoke]

what are your talents?

[tropic ocean]

Its normal to pool on st in m+

[icy girder]

oh use the outlaw channel dude

this is the assassination one

[fading adder]

When running galecallers boon. Do you use it to snap shot exsang? Or does it change back when out of boon buff?

[tropic ocean]

exsang snaps haste

[nimble light]

Guys, do I purify my weapon from Cara and replace the TA2 with 2 * Exp3? Having TA2 sims higher but is that bait due to the RNG of TA?

[narrow robin]

If you’re playing exsang build, yes

If you’re playing toxic blade, no

The real answer is sim it

[nimble light]

I did sim it lol. Was just wondering how it was in a real situation as you can pad sim numbers with stuff. But ill keep it while I'm still using TB. Thanks.

[narrow robin]

Haste will give you more consistent results. TA will sim higher because it’s an average, so sometimes you’ll get giga procs and sometimes you’ll get none.

[shy axle]

do you align clf with your cd`s or just press it on cd? read it a while ago but totally forgot it

[mental trout]

Does any one have a link to view gear at different ilvls? I came across this website once with a slider but can’t find it again. Want to see the difference between 460/465 mech rings

[balmy condor]

@shy axle uou would cast on opener and then worry about kill times. If the fight lasts long enough, you would cast on cd and then with cooldowns again on the 3rd

@mental trout you can use gear compare for that

[mental trout]

I tried but it’s showing me the 465 Ilvl proc haste buff to be 7 less then the 460 ilvl proc in game. My 460 has 158 , gear Compare is saying 465 is 151

[vast forum]

@shy axle <4.15 min fight, you delay your 2nd vend/vanish for CLF
<6 min fight, you delay your 2nd CLF for 3rd vend/vanish

[balmy condor]

That’s really weird

Not sure why the numbers are wonky like that

[mental trout]

Does any one have 465 rings to post a screen shot?

[balmy condor]

Im on mobile

[tropic ocean]

465 mecha proc is 151 haste

[strange python]

189

[vast forum]

ye, it's 189 at 465

[mental trout]

I have both 460 rings - including the proc they give me 783 haste. Can some one add up the 3 values from their 465 rings ❤️

[tropic ocean]

795

[balmy condor]

Huge

[mental trout]

So only 26.5 more haste if you factor in 7 exp 3

Damn was hoping for higher, but if I don’t get the 465 by the time exp 3 comes back around just going to slap em on the 460s

[balmy condor]

5 ilvl ain’t much tbh

[mental trout]

Yea for sure, you can get lucky and get them out of the chest at 475 huh? They are probably monsters

[balmy condor]

That is the dream

Followed by 475 plumage the next week

[vast forum]

fuck plumage, give me galecaller

[distant lava]

I just saw one ring drop with leech

gave it awaz

cba farming socket + corruption just for leech

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[thorn crater]

i have the first half of the ring 475 from chest that is unlucky

if it were the second half XDDD]

though im farming workshop and i still cant get overclocking to drop

[safe acorn]

overclocking bit band?

[thorn crater]

ye

dno how many ive done

still no drop

ive actually bonus rolled 4 times in there

im ashamed to admit

XD

[safe acorn]

i have it at 460 lol

with expedient 3 on it too

enchanted with mast

[solar flicker]

took me ~30 runs for each ring

[safe acorn]

i think i randomly got it

dont think it took that many runs either

[tropic ocean]

just

do this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569666406904233994/717323254959702036/BzU7pTiRGUjnAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png

[safe acorn]

oh thats nice

[normal olive]

Wait what addon shows the %?

[tropic ocean]

uhm

[safe acorn]

whats that addon called?

[tropic ocean]

azeritetooltip

i think

[safe acorn]

that sjhows the %

[normal olive]

Hmh i think it's not azeritetooltip i have it

[tropic ocean]

i will tell u in a sec

advanced tooltips

[normal olive]

allrighty thanks

[safe acorn]

do you guys think my stats are alright for sin rogue (24/47/38)

[tropic ocean]

for bleed build? no

[safe acorn]

poison

[tropic ocean]

generally they are pretty low

[safe acorn]

dont have the traits for bleed build yet

[normal olive]

I'm at 30/83/41 i think i should get rid of some mastery for crit?

[tropic ocean]

think you should sim

if thats good

these are mine

4 sockets left

[safe acorn]

how many ex rank 3 do you have on?

[tropic ocean]

7

and 1x r2

[safe acorn]

i think thats where im lacking

i have 4 r3 and 2 r2

[tropic ocean]

yeah need more corruption

for poison build too

[safe acorn]

yeah i only have 5 corruption right now

just waiting for rotation to bring back r3 and ill either 2 or 3 more depnding on the amount of echoes i have

[tropic ocean]

farm moreeee

[safe acorn]

i know im going ot later tn

anyone know the rotaion until r3 comes back?

[normal olive]

https://corruptionvendor.com/

[safe acorn]

ty

oh thats not that far away

i think ill be able to have enough for 3 r3

[tropic ocean]

should be easily

[safe acorn]

you think i should cleanse one of the r2 i have?

[tropic ocean]

dunno

u can use 7x3 1x2 atm

and have 50 corr

will have less once u get it

can probably use 8x r3

[safe acorn]

alright so it works out

[normal olive]

I'm currently using 8x r3 since i had no r2 in bags

[safe acorn]

and what is your corruption at?

[normal olive]

55

if i see heals struggling with the ghosts i just unequip one to drop below 40

[tropic ocean]

just /spit on heal

[normal olive]

if i die i can't do dmg

and since i pug everything i gotta look how to deal with shit on my own

[safe acorn]

just checked and have most of the BIS gear for sin rouge LO>

[strange python]

nice

[viscid locust]

noobie question here, how do i get rank 3 esssences?

😄

[balmy condor]

Each unlock is different

You can go on wowhead for the full list, or if you hover over them in your heart, it will tell you the next unlock requirement

Alternatively, if you have already unlocked rank 3 on a different character, you can buy the essences from mother in the heart chamber for echoes

[rancid bobcat]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/heart-of-azeroth-essence-overview#list-of-all-essences

[quartz depot]

what website did you type that into

[balmy condor]

google

[rancid bobcat]

ask jeeves

[bitter rose]

I get flak in the wowhead discord and just had an argument the other day because I told people to just look things up

[balmy condor]

gottum

[shrewd night]

If you aint doing the minimal effort, why make someone else do the minimum for you amirite bois

[bitter rose]

Like, you can't just hand out a fish to everyone that asks, eventually they gotta learn how to fish.

But, if you've looked it up, or it's complicated, or you're brand new, then I really don't mind if you ask a question.

[balmy condor]

I always try to help out

but sometimes you get the people who are like

"what azerite traits do we use?"
"what talents?"
"whats the opener?"

and I'll help with one or two

[bitter rose]

However, 99% of the times I just google it for them

[balmy condor]

but I'm not gonna regurgitate the whole guide to you cause you can't read

[bitter rose]

I don't wanna look it up cause it was a method video

but I specifically remember the moment where the dude was like "oh hey can I download your ui? That's where it starts. Oh hey can I have a guide that I won't read and will just lock in the talents without thinking about them? Oh well it says haste is the best stat so I'll stack haste without even thinking about it" or something like that

Dratnos recently put out a video teaching people how stats work and that video is a godsend.

[rancid bobcat]

its a curious thing about being self-sufficient when looking for info

feels like everyone older than me is just classic boomer don't know how internet works

and everyone younger is all just social media intertwined and used to just asking their friends online about shit

so there's this narrow age band that grew up along with how the internet evolved that is self reliant

at least thats what it feels like

[honest basin]

it does feel like this

But it's mostly because you do not hear those who are self sufficient

Since they don't ask stuff

[rancid bobcat]

that too

i mean i still end up asking simple questions sometimes cause it's still so easy

so i get it

[normal olive]

i know how to use the internet but input from people is still good

[shrewd night]

For me its pretty simple, if I have to spend time asking questions in order to pry clarifications out of someone, I usually wont be bothered

[mortal phoenix]

Guys, do you think the haste (exsanguinate) build works well in M +?
Of course I do a lot of research on the setting scenario, but I want to change it a little, if you can clarify this doubt thank you

[proud horizon]

Dratnos recently put out a video teaching people how stats work and that video is a godsend.
@bitter rose I know this is redundant, considering the scope of the conversation. But...can you link that? 😂

[bitter rose]

yeah sure

[proud horizon]

💜

[bitter rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkaz_Ik_Cd0

I love this video so much

[proud horizon]

You da tits.

[balmy condor]

@mortal phoenix its okay, but you'll lose a ton of overall/aoe damage

[bitter rose]

Dratnos has very quickly become my favorite wow content creator

[mortal phoenix]

Thanks for the nomination, I'll watch

[bitter rose]

The only thing I don't like is that his guild sells raid boosts

[distant lava]

how do you gain gold without that tho

[bitter rose]

AH PvP

I've just never cared enough to bother goldfarming

[balmy condor]

you think selling pvp boosts is fine but not raid boosts

[distant lava]

I think he meant

playing the AH market

but that's boring as fuck

[bitter rose]

yeah, auction house pvp

[distant lava]

I'd rather do something I'm good at

and I like doing

for gold

[bitter rose]

not to mention gearing right now is basically a fulltime job

so taking the time to goldfarm is annoying

[balmy condor]

oh

[distant lava]

I think it's a healthy system

[bitter rose]

I didn't even know AH PvP was a thing till they started slowing down the servers and blizzard had to put throttling on the AH

[distant lava]

casual players make gold collecting herbs

they pay us

and then we pay for the pots

[tropic ocean]

why dratnos

and not infexious

[bitter rose]

I don't even know who that is

[scarlet sequoia]

female rogue players

very rare

[proud horizon]

O.o

Really?

[bitter rose]

Most females in gaming don't like to out themselves as such

because it often leads to harassment

[scarlet sequoia]

only thing youre gonna get harassed for here is asking about stuff thats in the pins

[bitter rose]

I'll harass ya if you ask a question one could easily just flipping google

[scarlet sequoia]

how much crit do you need for the exsang build

[tropic ocean]

34%

[balmy condor]

okay but what about 35%

[scarlet sequoia]

no

[bitter rose]

how much crit do you need for that extra 1%?

[solar flicker]

every woman’s critoris is different

[bitter rose]

when it could easily go into boosting other stats

[sullen pagoda]

89.23

[distant lava]

took 5 messages with women

[scarlet sequoia]

any simmers

[distant lava]

for it to get weird

[sullen pagoda]

wdym

[bitter rose]

I thought they said criteria

then I reread it

[distant lava]

read chat cribs

[sullen pagoda]

we are memeing guide writers instead of harassing her

thats improvement

[scarlet sequoia]

fking toxic

[sullen pagoda]

wait are they guide WRITERS if they are youtubers

[solar flicker]

someone code a ravenholdt discord sim that you could ask the same questions over and over to

[sullen pagoda]

how come every time there is a youtuber for rogue hes a meme

[scarlet sequoia]

because they tend to say stupid shit

[sullen pagoda]

yea nattle in legion was 10/10

i think his guides were straight up banned here

[scarlet sequoia]

god damnit we already scared off the girls

[solar flicker]

im a girl :3

[proud horizon]

🤦🏻‍♀️

[solar flicker]

give gold pls

[sullen pagoda]

i need some proof first ye

[proud horizon]

Oh shit is that a thing?

I get gold for that?

[solar flicker]

if ur feet are cute enough

[bitter rose]

You used to

[sullen pagoda]

friend subbed to a guy thinking the streamer is a grill

kinda unlucky

[bitter rose]

haven't seen any mailbox dancers in awhile

on my old belf priestess I would get flowers sent to me for no reason

[sullen pagoda]

ofc you play

belf priest

[bitter rose]

I used to

[solar flicker]

i wanna reach that lvl of horny

[sullen pagoda]

every girl does

[solar flicker]

flower mailing

[tropic ocean]

im a girl too

[proud horizon]

Not all of us are blood elves. 😂

[balmy condor]

yeah, some are void elves

[bitter rose]

I currently play a nightborne

and a zandalari

[sullen pagoda]

nightbornes are cool too bad their racial is actual dogshit

[distant lava]

the female are cool

[bitter rose]

they're actually pretty good for rogues

[distant lava]

the male ones just look like crackheads

[bitter rose]

magical affinity is pretty strong

[shrewd night]

[bitter rose]

1% increased magic damage

[scarlet sequoia]

what

thats crazy

[shrewd night]

Drag it in before the bird gets it

[sullen pagoda]

thats not really that great for us

id lose 1k from moving from belf

[bitter rose]

I believe it works on poisons

but I am not entirely sure

[sullen pagoda]

not sure maybe but poisons dont do dmg atm

[shrewd night]

It does, but poisons is like... Zero of our damage compared to what crit contributes to

[sullen pagoda]

but imagine if it was legion and poison bomb could do 30% of ur dmg

now thats

stonks

[bitter rose]

I just didn't want to be a Mag'har

my mage is already one

[scarlet sequoia]

if only there was 8 other races to pick from

[tropic ocean]

goblin is very strong

[bitter rose]

I didn't want to be a maghar as stated above, don't want to be a Belf, already have a zandalari, and trolls and goblins just aren't my thing

so I went with Nightborne

[tropic ocean]

goblin has a jump

[bitter rose]

ye but then you have to be a goblin

and that's pretty yikes

[sullen pagoda]

best dance tho

[tropic ocean]

wdym yikes

1% haste

and jump

[bitter rose]

you have to be a smelly little goblin

[tropic ocean]

goblin haters

[solar flicker]

slutmoggers

[bitter rose]

I'm sorry but a race who's perfectly fine with forcing herbivorous dinosaurs into cannibalism just to make a quick buck is not the kind of race I want to associate with

[tropic ocean]

rp on

[scarlet sequoia]

[steep plover]

If u willingly play as a goblin ur a pedo imo

[bitter rose]

im sorry what

[crimson palm]

Filthy horde wankers

[steep plover]

Goblins are gross cuz

Imagine being alliance

[tropic ocean]

wat

[bitter rose]

if you want to maximize dps as alliance like... 80-90% of your characters will be Human

[shy dust]

Night elf rogue

👺

[steep plover]

I used to not like orcs cause theyre like goblind on roids

But they grew on me

[sullen pagoda]

[steep plover]

Maybe cause theyre not hunchbacks anymore

[bitter rose]

you have yet to explain

why you think goblins are gross

[steep plover]

Theyre ugly bro wdym

[tropic ocean]

wanna meet up in goldshire pub

[bitter rose]

probably only plays elves

[steep plover]

Listen im heaps tired rn at work aight so if i say some dumb shit blame it on that

But goblins are nasty

[tropic ocean]

goblins > all

it should actually be dps up

[proud horizon]

I’m fine with human 🤷🏻‍♀️

[steep plover]

Id rather be a human than a goblin

Ngl

[proud horizon]

Same

[bitter rose]

I don't mind human but I'd rather not have the majority of my toons be human for the sake of dps

also my guild is horde

[proud horizon]

Ah, gotcha.

[steep plover]

Lok tar brotha

How big of a difference does race even make dps wise

[royal lantern]

0,5-1,5%max in most cases

[balmy condor]

yeah

[royal lantern]

aka: doesnt matter at all

[balmy condor]

not very much

but troll for example pumps a lot harder than like maghar

[royal lantern]

i really doubt that a 1,5% MAX means you pump alot harder

[balmy condor]

P U M P

that's 1.5% you don't have

[steep plover]

Is this class by class or in general

[royal lantern]

in general

[balmy condor]

yeah races are really minor across the board

[steep plover]

Thats racist brah

[royal lantern]

like, the difference bettwen "the best race" and "the worst race" is REALLY fking small

[balmy condor]

play whatever makes you happy

[royal lantern]

like, you will have bigger differences by beeing unlucky with crits over a fight or missing offhand strikes

[balmy condor]

good mog = more dps

[royal lantern]

^

[steep plover]

Ye true

[royal lantern]

race doesnt matter for 99,99999% of all players

and those 0,000001% know it anyway

[steep plover]

Bro i used the bleed build for the first time yesterday

Fuck i struggled lowkey

Im used to toxic blade

[void pecan]

it's rough at first

[bitter rose]

it can be up t o 2% dps

[void pecan]

then it's, bleeds drool on yourself until bleeds again

[bitter rose]

usually if I'm stuck on which race I like more for a class I just check herodamage

[balmy condor]

herodamage

why not sim it

[bitter rose]

more effort

[steep plover]

Is the bleed build meat to be insane burst or consistent dmg compared to poison

[balmy condor]

yes

[tropic ocean]

burst

[balmy condor]

its bursty

[tropic ocean]

but also more consistent

[balmy condor]

but that means more damage long term

[distant lava]

what is that obese dogekek

[balmy condor]

this one?

[steep plover]

I was like 20k dps under during burst LOL but probs cause i fucked the rotation

[tropic ocean]

u did something wrong then y

[royal lantern]

you burst harder then with tb

you did something wrong

[bitter rose]

I can just go to hero damage, look at the races, see what's what, look up racials, and then make my choice

[royal lantern]

you can do 50% of a firemage burst!

[steep plover]

BRO the worst thing i garrote rupture garrote and the fucking tank zips the boss across the room so i miss the 2nd garrote

[royal lantern]

or

[tropic ocean]

or u can just sim racials

and have accurate result

[royal lantern]

you pick a race you enjoy by the looks

cus i doubt you are a player where the race makes a difference overall

srsly, whats up with people trying too minmax RACE when its BY FAR the least important thing in the entire game

[bitter rose]

No, but KatakuriToday at 4:11 PM
usually if I'm stuck on which race I like more for a class I just check herodamage

[tropic ocean]

because

its not

[royal lantern]

and it even cost rl money

[tropic ocean]

race is > dps gain than 3 sockets for me

🤷

[crimson palm]

you can do 50% of a firemage burst!

Rofl they wish

[bitter rose]

I literally just said why for me and then reiterated why

[royal lantern]

you can when the mage is unlucky

[bitter rose]

I do it when I'm torn

do I wanna be mag'har, do I wanna be zandalari, do I wanna be nightborne, etc.

[tropic ocean]

and

[crimson palm]

Our burst is higher on ST

[tropic ocean]

sin rogue burst is similar to firemage

o_O

[distant lava]

yeah it looks a bit different from my

[steep plover]

Hehe i out burst all the mages in my guild

[distant lava]

idk if I like it more or less

[bitter rose]

animations also matter a ton when it comes to my choice as well

[steep plover]

Except we have an arcane that goes insane insane sometimes

[rigid eagle]

@tropic ocean does sin benefit more from lust than mage?

[balmy condor]

you should be able to outburst arcane

[tropic ocean]

probably?

cuz we scale more with haste

[royal lantern]

we stack %haste, wich scales with hero/lust

[rigid eagle]

i think when i match mage's burst, it's usually a lust opener

[royal lantern]

mage is %mastery

[steep plover]

Ye idk but shes insanse she outbursts everyone and then sometikes me if she procs IS

[tropic ocean]

???????????

[rigid eagle]

infinite stars, more like infinite gambling

[tropic ocean]

shes insane

procs infinite stars

ok

[distant lava]

ye

[tropic ocean]

big gaming