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#assassination
dark token
that top wrathion parser is lmfao
distant lava
grave trail
still feels bad even tho my EXP build is not complete
dark token
https://i.imgur.com/coRkAYc.png orange is tentacles
grave trail
remove tenddies and is from game
dark token
he literally bursted harder with orange than his cooldowns
distant lava
thinking expedient has no RNG
then you proc OP before exsang on pull and outburst fire mages
grave trail
def way less than tenddies
fathom swift
When your openers finished but tentacles still proccin
fleet anchor
DPS that isn't repeatable isn't real. Fun for parsing, useless for any other purpose. lol
distant lava
wdym koji
dark token
also those 100 corruption parses where you die like 60% of pulls lol
grave trail
i have an exp IS build that is pretty consistent
fleet anchor
The guy with the top TA parse is just as likely to be bottom DPS if they wipe and pull again. It's pointless. ๐
distant lava
it was really fun wiping to psychus sometimes cause my tentacles were proccing the pull before so people used less stuff on it
and then they didn't proc so we didn't make the check
fleet anchor
yeah
fathom swift
Yeah i kinda hate parsing now is just gonna be "how much corruption can you wear and live a pull"
fleet anchor
I have the same argument against tanks running TD fwiw
Sometimes tanks delete shit
Next pull they do nothing
distant lava
yeah but what are they gonna run
thorny jasper
is the goal with crimson tempest on st to have 100% uptime even outside of exsang?
distant lava
EV ?
fleet anchor
You can't rely on it, thus can't plan for it
So it's useless
For anything other than parse runs
sullen pagoda
you can pretty much get all 99s just by playing regular 59 max corruption
fleet anchor
I'd rather tanks ran EV personally yes lol
Or just Vers
And dgaf about DPS
๐
fathom swift
Def had the experience of wiping cause one tanks td proccd and pulled aggro at a shit time
distant lava
@sullen pagoda definetly
for people that don't have access to cara dagger it's going to be rough
but appart from that yeah
dark token
yeah i run 59 in all content except verrry high m+ on specific keys
fathom swift
Ya dont get me wrong my parses are fine its just going forward its gonna be the meta to rank 1
sullen pagoda
dude tomorrow i become good simmer too 
no more 99k andy
distant lava
tropic ocean
do 1 good parse
dark token
mfw my good sim is a 100k andy 
distant lava
fleet anchor
59 vs. 79 is pretty minor nowadays at current total corruption levels
It's what.. like an extra 2-3%?
grave trail
warcraftlogs should do a no tenddies/is logs and make them the default
we removed padding lets remove proc builds
distant lava
no
sullen pagoda
or just have all procs inside cds and burst twice 400k on skitra ez rank 1 on relevant boss 
@fathom swift
dark token
warcraftlogs should average all your parses on a boss for your rank
distant lava
cause then you squew the results for stat amp classes even more
dark token
EZ
fathom swift
No ty
fleet anchor
Yeah I mean some specs don't have anything other than procs lol
dark token
median actually
fleet anchor
TA is just dumb
fathom swift
Median is more reasonable
fleet anchor
Blame Blizzard not WCL
distant lava
I mean which classes run TA tho
grave trail
which monk and DH?
fathom swift
Dh is all is
distant lava
cause warrior has expedient or severe / strikethrough
vast forum
all builds are proc builds tho
sullen pagoda
i imagine by the end of this tier you will mostly have TA logs as top even for sin
vast forum
@grave trail
fleet anchor
Some are more proc builds than others ๐
grave trail
yes but we talking about tenddies IS type of procs
sullen pagoda
cuz high rollers will happen over long period of time
grave trail
which boost your damage dramatically
fleet anchor
I mean my DPS variance
grave trail
if you high roll
vast forum
i think expedient is far more relevant on long fights than IS/TA
vast forum
when it comes to RNG
sullen pagoda
yea thats what i mean
fleet anchor
Which is a pretty massive difference
distant lava
yeah TA can eat a dick
sullen pagoda
that TA stacking guy is going to log 60% 10 weeks in a row
but one week
he will blast
vast forum
if you proc OP/vita before every exsang, you'll 100% outdps any TA parse
dark token
i mean the longer a bossfight is i bet infinite stars always wins
dark token
imagine a 20 min ST boss you would be at 10 stacks most of time
vast forum
long boss fights
fathom swift
Why need to proc vita when you can just play gcb ๐
vast forum
why not both @fathom swift ?
grave trail
i've seen a log with IS doing 4 mil dmg on vex that shouldnt be a thing
fathom swift
I do play both tbh
dark token
idk
fleet anchor
Can't use GCB if it never drops
kind steppe
hey, random question, why we never envenom at 4CP+ and never at 3 for example ?
sullen pagoda
well most of ST bosses are early bosses that die in 2-4mins this tier
vast forum
so
daring urchin
a friend suggest me to buy TA rank3 on the first corrup cycle...feelling kinda dumb right now
sullen pagoda
bad friend
dark token
bad friend
vast forum
gcb/vita/op on pull and you're bursting 600k ez
fathom swift
People for some reason think ta is good for assa instead of the daggers just being good
vast forum
how good is the friend @daring urchin ?
dark token
if i get a 475 gcb i swear to god im replacing my 475 feather
it feels so nice with exang
vast forum
@daring urchin if it's someone you can trust, give him your acc and force him to farm 13k echoes for you
monkaTOS
fathom swift
I've legit had this argument that people think because all the top parses were ta before the vendor that its actually better than haste%
vast forum
TA was the only targetable corruption back then
and it's also on our only 485 wep ๐
fathom swift
Ya exactly
daring urchin
lol, he just took a look at logs, i needed an answer, had only 5 min to buy, all top parses were TA
strange python
you dont know of the secret TA vendor gnome?
fathom swift
The weps were also real high ilvl
vast forum
having 2x r2 TA on 485 weps was pretty fuckin good considering you couldn't target anything else as assa
grave trail
On xanesh wrathion maut shad are all easy to get 10 stack
dark token
maut naw
fight not long enough
shad similar. only boss i would consider IS on is wrathion
cause it procs when he flies away
sullen pagoda
I mean its like legion outlaw
deft vault
With full expediant does your haste sim highest on youjr stat weight?
cuz mine is way lower then the rest
fathom swift
I targeted expedient, my guild gave me a boe with rank 3 on it ๐
sullen pagoda
you always had a few in top logs even tho it was inferior spec just cuz 6 roll 4Head
dark token
but take off any gear it will prob be right up there @deft vault
deft vault
gotcha
grave trail
the only people that play outlaw in raids are the sweaty otps from m+
sullen pagoda
care not to summon outlaw channel here
delicate bone
i play outlaw on hivemind, but htats about it
sullen pagoda
dark token
i miss when hivemind was removed drone damage
grave trail
pftt assa can do same dmg
dark token
shoulda kept that
delicate bone
thats for parses though
fathom swift
Yeah hivemind was the only boss i played outlaw this tier too
delicate bone
who cares if its there or not, they need to die in the fight lol
dark token
i played outlaw on vex
thorny jasper
is it worth trying to stack ct into non-vendetta exsang
deft vault
ANy idea on opener if i got no shrouded suffocation with subterfuge?
Garrote Mutilate Garrote Mutilate rupture?
dark token
if you can but dont delay the garrote/rupture @thorny jasper
oblique fjord
so is haste build superior assasination build?
fathom swift
Vex last phase was enough reason for me to play assa
grave trail
hivemind is good cause the double ss will last full duration if use on bosses
sullen pagoda
I played outlaw on carapace prog while p2 was a struggle
after they were like
yeah crib go back to sin clap boss
grave trail
on the big bugs u can triple ss but they can die before full
delicate bone
outlaw is smoother for nzoth too tbh
sullen pagoda
oh dont go there i already had outlaw mains arguing with me about nzoth
dark token
actually yeah outlaw is so nice for nzoth tbh
sullen pagoda
assa is just better there for things that matter
dark token
bring breath and its ๐
thorny jasper
outlaw is really fun in raid, shame that u cant be a dependable source of dmg
delicate bone
it is though, its hella good for nzoth
dark token
it feels so nice to breath them tendies
fathom swift
Assa was better when you needed boss damage 3 months ago tho
sullen pagoda
its really not since only really relevant phases are boss dmg phases and outlaw sucks at that especially with possible downtimes
yeah
grave trail
boss dmg still good skips mechanics see raden one example
sullen pagoda
now you can go play snake build sin doesnt matter
grave trail
or xanesh one less ball
delicate bone
outlaw doesnt suck at boss dmg, sin is just better
sullen pagoda
snake build outlaw*
dark token
https://i.imgur.com/pD0W2K2.png rogue so good rn
sullen pagoda
outlaw does suck on boss damage what do u mean
drifting cloud
its not dead last therefore it doesnt suck
fathom swift
Idk outlaw kinda sucks at boss damage lets not kid ourselves
drifting cloud
grave trail
i ment that boss dmg is still relevant on farm
dark token
i wanna see a 110k outlaw andy
grave trail
to skip phases
drifting cloud
<insert random asiasn 30% tendie log>
forest saffron
Im having a little trouble with the esang build, I have the burst, but teh dmg drops so fast I end at like 50k
sullen pagoda
I mean imo assa is perfectly fine atm
grave trail
timings kinda matter with exang unlike TB so i would look into the pin guide lol
civic forge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dv9M1RMtRTbgW2b4gMgePU we did it. (i know im cheating with over 39 corruption but still feels good)
dark token
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/24/#dataset=95&metric=bossdps i mean even boss damage
over 39 corruption is cheating
grave trail
you run over 39 on everything cept ilgy nzoth no?
dark token
only 8% of rogues run 39 corruption or less
sullen pagoda
every time u link those statistics you have to consider "dead" specs
dark token
in the top 1200 of heroic logs
sullen pagoda
like on that link out of 8 specs ahead of us 4 are basically dead specs with barely any parses
harsh sphinx
quasi pewter
under 39 is being a pussy
dark token
^
hidden maple
depends on the guild and their comfort level tbh
sullen pagoda
we still do no dispell on ilgy for some reason
quasi pewter
depends on ur alpha level
harsh sphinx
not in my experience. they just complain about illusions
dark token
lol we recleared ilgy first time in 3 weeks
grave trail
same ive never done dispell
dark token
dispel is SO MUCH EASIER its so dumb
grave trail
how? one person dies its over
sullen pagoda
ye was about to type actually
chilly marsh
RL is adamant about everyone under 39 in prog
sullen pagoda
dispelling is so much more easier now
chilly marsh
and who cares about famr anyway
hidden maple
no dispell still doesnt have that much dmg
sullen pagoda
i mean he has a point about prog ngl
dark token
dispell = literally 0 mechanics and no dispel = monkaGIGA
quasi pewter
if ur still on prog
rigid eagle
hey guys, is 0 versatility our end goal or are is that going too far lol
fathom swift
Even now my guild bans more than 39 on nzoth
quasi pewter
you can play 0 corruption
grave trail
i mean the only way to die on ilgy is by the lasers or unlucky oozes but still scary sometimes
sullen pagoda
our healers are wheelchairs so i play under 39 so i dont kill one of them mid raid
grave trail
nzoth is fine, it was a hard fight on prog, if they would of balanced him to account for corruption and all bs that makes us op now it would've prob been like a 3 week wf
dark token
id say nzoth is probably the easiest raid end boss i can remember besides xavius
warm parcel
Its very easy now
dark token
even on prog
grave trail
you didnt see the dps check on prog? i dunno about that one
dark token
i guess i didnt prog before the big nerfs
grave trail
before cape proc
sweet rampart
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2fGNaVDtw7uzGA5MCH71kQ
See any improvements i should make before raid?
dark token
go run some visions and socket dat shit
idk even for the world 1st kill
it seemed easier than most
dense blaze
What is going on here?
warm parcel
Boring yes
sharp bear
is it still haste>crit>mastery>vers with esang build?
sweet rampart
@dark token soo we get sockets by doing 4+ masks right?
quaint vortex
you get sockets after unlocking all of the upgrades at the titanic archive and then spending 25k mementos
red plaza
Haste > Mastery > Crit = Verse
quaint vortex
based on your cloak prog I'm assuming you probably haven't unlocked all of the upgrades yet
dark token
i get mastery > haste > crit > vers at high haste
dark token
whats funny is
rocky ibex
shouuld i go with more expedient?
daring urchin
@dark token can i take a look in your armory/raidbot?
warm parcel
(agi str and int)
red plaza
Sorry @sharp bear from the guide in the pins
fleet anchor
I don't think N'zoth was one of the easiest end bosses but it was an odd fight
dark token
wdym @warm parcel draught of the 10 lands is +10 all stats, with agi being garbage, thats certainly better than +60 agi
sweet rampart
hmm, is it normal for exp 2 to sim pretty close to exp 3? i threw on 3 exp3s instead of 2 more exp2s ( which i test simmed) and the sim between the 2 are pretty close together
red plaza
But ofc sim will give better weights for your char
fleet anchor
Expedient 2 and 3 are usually about 1% or 0.7% apart
sweet rampart
Thanks @fleet anchor ๐ I figured that was the case, they were practically simming the same
rocky ibex
should i go with 3 expedient 12% than twsited 66?
red plaza
Do you like having consistency in your pulls?
dark token
do you have a small dick and need tendies proc to make up for it? go tendies. if not, expedient
warm parcel
whats wrong
warm parcel
aka perfect for pvp
warm parcel
well we have corr vendor anyway
grave trail
clense
warm parcel
purge all the shitty ones
warm parcel
I think I have gotten one item that has had good item/corr combo
dark token
being memed is getting the exact same worst in slot residuum shoulders 4 weeks in a row
warm parcel
Rest have gone to the purgery machine
dark token
yeah but i play outlaw so i like to gamble
lime edge
lul
dark token
i played legion outlaw, even worse
grave trail
got it 2nd roll
lime edge
im getting there
steep obsidian
the mechagon shoulders arent bad either
dark token
tbh ilgynoth shoulders are pretty good
sullen pagoda
i got goraktuls first open in eternal palace i guess im paying the price now
and im committed to gambling aint no buying bitch
rigid eagle
hey guys, are these worthless? Sims higher than my current 465 crit haste socketed boots, but idk if i can sim to see how much better a crafted haste mastery pair would be
sullen pagoda
not bad but you can roll for better
warm parcel
Clockwork trait also sucks in practice on occasion due to it proccing like the old procs
aka from literally any event
steep plover
Are there any raid worthy head/chest from titanium residuum guy or just farm raden and carapace and hope for drop?
sullen pagoda
doesnt clockwork proc literally at exact same time every 1min
irrelevant of any event
warm parcel
My point is that sprint and tricks can proc it
So if you arent hitting boss and any event on your char happens
You can proc it and waste it
Sure wont matter if its 100% uptime hit boss type a thing
sullen pagoda
I thought it can literally proc even if u are doing nothing straight up afking in combat
sullen pagoda
on other thing @rigid eagle you can roll for something like this https://i.imgur.com/iLdOy9I.png
rigid eagle
ah so i guess these boots are definitely not worthy of exped 3 lol
sullen pagoda
yeah id roll for haste/mastery or haste/crit
steep plover
Oh ty i forgot that those were there
warm parcel
if you can farm 50k during this reset, by all means corrupt anything
if not, could be smart to save the corr
steep plover
Also is the best way to get good gear just farm 15s and hope for good 475 weekly loot?
hidden maple
running 6 expedient III and 1 honed mind III, raidbots wont let me take off the honed mind T.T
lime edge
there are multiple things u do for gear
lime edge
u do your weekly mythic 15
u do your 4/5 masks visions
u 12/12 heroic nyalotha
some events
eternal palace depending on your class
steep plover
Im so sick of visions, and im trash at them too lmao, i keep getting fucked anything higher than 3 masks
Need to learn it rather than yolo it
sullen pagoda
if you are 15 cloak just take it very slow if you are failing them
you have giga time just dont die
lime edge
for 5 mask he needs elite exterm
steep plover
Im max lmao i jjst got up to current last week
I keep getting impatient amd them pulling big
steep plover
But also the bosses fuck my sanity heaps so maybe i need to learn their mechanics and avoid bad
digital cosmos
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tF3ZJbwzvN5S4GEafafDbS im grinding for mechagon rings and a raden helm for a third SS. besides that what trinket could help me get my dps up now? feel like humming dragonscale isnt too hot
digital cosmos
golden plummage?
steep plover
I feel like u should try get it
Ye
Even at 455 it does well for me
And the loaded dice sims well for me too
But mine has a socket
digital cosmos
ok ill go for that then. running 6 expedients so just trying to narrow down how to get up to 90k+ like some of the sims in here
steel wagon
do you think the 475 carapace chest is better than the 480 vexiona chest?
red plaza
For me itโs not
inner zephyr
Which corruptions should i pick up from mother for M+ and raid dps
steep plover
M+ seems like severe and strikethrough are good
And raid expedient stacking seems the way
steep obsidian
you need a LOT of expedient for it to be really good
main forge
the mobs that stunlock you with the cast are the ones that fuck me up the most.
main forge
derp had my chat up higher
steep obsidian
ahuh
main forge
Yeah, I just forget to burst them or stun them first LOL
steep plover
Is there an alternative to expedient stacking that isnt significantly worse?
main forge
There is DWTFYW method
steep plover
Probably better for me cause i domt have the best gear rn to stack expedient
main forge
do whatever the fuck you want
willow mulch
what would be the best corruption setup to go for for toxic blade poison bomb build? currently have infinite stars 2 and am building off of that
fleet anchor
Still Expedient
main forge
Like TA is decent on the daggers.... and is a great GP corruption. Its not like TA or IS where it loses its potency under conditions
Expedient stacking is point for point, the best DPS overall.
willow mulch
so bassically expedient on as many pieces as i can before over corrupted?
ill try a few sims with expedient on
steep plover
How hard is to to farm the mechagon rings? I have a 460 version of the damage from behind one
main forge
It will do good ST, MT, Cleave, and heavy target swap.
steep obsidian
TA works pretty well if you have crit verse heavy gear
i was running a set with like 70 ta a while ago and breath of tye dying major which simmed like 90k
also some crit multipliers
inner zephyr
How well does the expedient build do in mythic plus
steep obsidian
before the vendor was avail
rigid eagle
what is this fucking bullshit man why does literally everything i get roll with versa
main forge
It does well, but I think due to the shortness of fights, M+ from what I read here, benefits from crit corruptions(strikethrough and the other one)
versa isn't bad for rogues
red plaza
Looks like another great pvp piece
main forge
Yeah +50 versa socket on top of that.
rigid eagle
lol im gearing for raid
rigid eagle
lol its not hast mast/haste crit
and the boots i just made rolled the exact fking same
drifting cosmos
I mean apart from haste, all stats should be pretty close anyway
rigid eagle
and also i've been getting versa pieces from weekly caches for legit the past month
quaint saffron
vers isnt that bad honestly
sullen pagoda
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cBCxSC1tyAAaqaR2m8VJ1t ngl my sim is still going to be dog tomorrow
unlucky
main forge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3fTdJWmMmw1PTAn9SBWgsb <- versatility was better than haste for me at one point....
they are all pretty close DPS wise
fleet anchor
All things being equal without Stat% mods, pretty much all 4 stats are functionally identical for Assassination
Probably have one of the most balanced secondaries of most specs in the game lol
quaint saffron
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/erd7GuWfehWveMt6kyREJ7 this is my sim whenever its a 3min fight
dark token
if thats so why arent all 4 stat %s equal @fleet anchor ;)
fleet anchor
475 GCB nerf
main forge
Yeah, definitely balanced... everyone else asks me what stats we value and I swear... they are quite balanced... when one gets too high, the others ones seem to be more valuable then.
fleet anchor
Well, it really doesn't start to express any functional difference until really high ratings
Like a Crit build can still get up to like.. 106k or something
steep obsidian
verse is def falling off for me as i stack expe and get rid of my ta
fleet anchor
It's not bad
steep obsidian
when i was crit heavy mastery crit and verse would all be rediculously close
versed mica
Could someone hit me with a macro that will be toxic blade or exang depending on what talent I have? tired of swapping the abilities every time
fleet anchor
The advantage of the Haste build is also eventually getting to a place where Lucid can get removed and a lot of downtime can get removed, but piecewise gear changes don't really accomplish that without Haste%
crimson palm
versa bad hurr durr
plain thistle
I heard you guys like haste around here
quaint saffron
do the carapace daggers and raid mythic pieces really make the sims that much higher? because my 5 min fight sims for 89k
fleet anchor
yes
red plaza
yes we do like haste
serene osprey
Not even 34% crit, did you even watch the Infexious guide video? lol
main forge
Could someone hit me with a macro that will be toxic blade or exang depending on what talent I have? tired of swapping the abilities every time
@versed mica #showtooltip
/cast [talent:6/2]Toxic Blade;[talent6/3]Exsanguinate
crimson palm
versed mica
Thanks, u a tru friend
plain thistle
main forge
is there a way to post code in discord?
fleet anchor
gtfo
steep obsidian
thats like 5k rating or something right
red plaza
im working on it!
red plaza
i can only handle 3 visions in a row
fleet anchor
SO MUCH FUN
red plaza
MUCH GAMEPLAY
fleet anchor
I just did 4 and I need to take a break lol
steep obsidian
i almost fell asleep running one last night and ended up bricking one
fleet anchor
It's so boring
Except that pull in front of Rexxar that somehow always seems to almost kill me
Because it hits for a billion DPS
steep obsidian
i like doing them in a group to be honest
i hate hunting for all the crystals
but feel bad if i dont
fleet anchor
Also have totally normalized the current speed and it still feels slow
Like fighting Thrall "UGGGGH THIS IS TAKING FOREVER"
Look at Details at the end
"Oh it took 26 seconds I guess that's ok"
lol
HVs are just very boring, wish there was higher payoff/buyin/difficulty version so we could run fewer
I really don't like running 6+ per week on 2 characters it's puke
steep plover
10 mask runs when?
dark token
to be honest
i never really feel it on orgimarr trash
but the minibosses are muuuch worse
fleet anchor
I almost had totally cut them out
dark token
both the sanguine guy and the throw guy with split personality are AIDS
fleet anchor
And then stupid vendor made HV required again
dark token
that whole valley of honor area
crimson palm
Just do 0 mask speedruns
crimson palm
7 min per vision
dark token
else its death
fleet anchor
Yeah I need another socket so I'm not doing that but a few weeks ago
I definitely just did all 4 mask afk runs
versed mica
For M+ sims do we do patchwork 3 bosses?
long portal
5mask seems pretty free/scripted /shrug
fleet anchor
It's fairly free just kinda meh
dark token
either for me or the buyer
dark token
5 mask with 200% hp is honestly like as hard as M kj
imo
they are tied for the hardest content i did in wow
long portal
Really?
long portal
I didn't think sales were that bad tbh
dark token
5 mask when boosting a noob to all objectives i have to be 100% focused and play 98% perfectly the whole way
its been easier last few weeks due to corruption but a month or two ago? oof
orgimarr trash is never bad but some stormwind trash is SPOOKY
grizzled jay
SW trash also all has truesight or the dumb tumors
dark token
you randomly get trucked in the mathias shaw area
grizzled jay
so you can't just stealth skip everything
long portal
I wouldnt skip anyway, need mementos ๐
grizzled jay
two different people must have designed Org and SW because SW is so terribly designed compared to Org
dark token
and the mage tower area that voidwalker double caster pack is spooky
long portal
i r o n w i r e
dark token
so many things you have to plan cloak usage around to have it for a specific pack or miniboss to immune split personality
i outlaw the trash and sin 2/4 bosses
coral pawn
subterfuge
+iron wire that pack melts
long portal
hmm i see.
long portal
yeah I assa everything and just kill before any mechanics
dark token
yeah but with 200% hp it all lives really long than you expect
the guy gets 4 void buffet off
coral pawn
i kill them before they even get their first mind flay off in carries
dark token
you need to interrupt each
long portal
at most he should get every other VB off..
dark token
right i mean i interrupt 2
dark token
naw i havent had ap roblem last few weeks
dark token
but when i didnt plan cooldowns + cloak for psychic scream + a gouge/stun for a void buffet
coral pawn
SW is actually the easiest week once you figure out how to manipulate aleria
coral pawn
get her to move or kick the bombs
long portal
maybe its harder as outlaw idk
dark token
ill try with sin this week since im a h a s t e b o y now
coral pawn
thats trus...i run visions as sin
long portal
as assa the pack just dies, and void buffet doesnt matter because theres no other shadow damage
coral pawn
think i just kick the buffet out of habit now tbh lol
dark token
yeah i usually kick buffet, gouge second one, cloak psychic scream, kick 3rd, sometime it gets 4th off but not much
those side guys dont die from blade flurry ver fast
but when i didnt plan all those things it was rough
like that pack ruined 2 visions
nothing is like that in orgimarr
coral pawn
with tripple shrouded and sub you just silence the 3 of them...a couple fan of knives and the pack is dead
long portal
I run a weird build for visions, but I like it. Mix between raid/m+ r4 td r4 severe. bote major>LD>BotD>VoP
raid azerite
sharp bear
@dark token anytime im boosting someone i just let them die and do it solo
long portal
vita/drest
dark token
yeah thats easier
coral pawn
agreed ^ lol
long portal
void buffet doesnt hurt by itself, if you kick every other one it never stacks above 1
coral pawn
i run BOTE R9 strike thru and R5 sever in visions
quaint saffron
so is CT simming higher for ST now with the bleed build?
long portal
I probably would also, if I had those corruptions ๐
quaint saffron
and if so how do you open with it
coral pawn
usually just swap trinkets/azurite pieces to ST to burst down the bosses
long portal
had to save for r3 exped
civic forge
so since my raid doesnt use feasts, i put in simc to let it choose the haste food (the normal food i use) instead of letting simc pick (since it always defaults to feasts) and i gained 400 dps by just picking port tato over feasts
does the "let simc choose" option not find the best option?
long portal
haste food>feast brother
civic forge
thats not what i said/asked
im asking, why does simc not tell you to use port tato when you use the option "let simc decide"
quaint saffron
probably just goes with the stats as baseline honestly
shrewd night
If it had to sim every food alongside your gear, how many pieces would you be able to sim before your iterations are up
long portal
That was the polite way of saying "if you know what food is best what difference does it make" I'll be more direct for you, next time.
civic forge
i suppose thats true koffing, its just misleading that it does that tho
west cove
bot wont sim every option when u choose let sim decide. it doesnt also sim other stuff like pots and decide what is best.
shrewd night
Misleading? I can see why you would say that.. But the option is also very direct in the way it says 'the sim will choose for you' doesnt mean it will be the best option for your character or your gear
dire spoke
a decision implies choosing from options and thats not the Same as if it stated "use APL preset"
cobalt pelican
let sim decide just uses the default consumables that are in each classes profile
long portal
crit food cheapest/easiest to farm ๐
cobalt pelican
for example arms has # Default consumables potion=potion_of_focused_resolve flask=greater_flask_of_the_undertow food=baked_port_tato augmentation=battle_scarred
but assassination has # Default consumables potion=potion_of_focused_resolve flask=greater_flask_of_the_currents food=famine_evaluator_and_snack_table augmentation=battle_scarred
cobalt pelican
i think it's just because the profiles aren't used for much
shrewd night
Depends on gearlevel too. Lower gearlevel would want crit. Higher gearlevel would want haste.
cobalt pelican
either that or it was better at a point
shrewd night
So just setting a default aint going to be any less misleading.
civic forge
but to me "choosing" would imply it has a rule behind it, and for a tool that is meant to find the best option for you, i would assume that it would follow that rule, but i see i just assumed wrong
so i get it now
cobalt pelican
it probably could just be 'use class default' or something, but that's feedback for the raidbots discord probably
shrewd night
Refer to my last couple of posts
dire spoke
It wouldnt be misleading if the option hadan information output on what it used in the input mask
shrewd night
If the food changes by gearlevel
dire spoke
I mean
coral pawn
is there a BIS list for pieces i should throw my R3 expedients onto?
shrewd night
Setting a default isnt that easy.
civic forge
i get that koffing
dire spoke
@shrewd night does it so that?
west cove
prolly haste mastery gear @coral pawn
long portal
Bis list is hard because it really depends on what you have available. 475 haste/mastery or haste/crit gear are probably safe bets, though
fleet anchor
The default is Agi because Haste is not the best food for every build and it would be difficult to determine that in a reasonable way
coral pawn
i know there is a point where you still want crit over mastery
fleet anchor
Some builds are running Crit/Strikethrough for example
Raidbots allows specifying a food in the drop-down
So just use it manually if you like
quaint saffron
So how would you line crimson tempest into your rotations to line up with exsanguinate? would your opener be garrote-> rupture-> garrote->CT-> Vendetta->BoTE-> Exsang?
cobalt pelican
i'd assume we're at the point where [any secondary food] is better than feast tbh, but it's just not really an issue
long portal
@coral pawn I'm at 29/71/44 and haste=crit and are both slightly above mastery
dire spoke
what about adding output information to let Sim decide, when it actually varies?
@fleet anchor
cobalt pelican
generally people who care about minmaxing will check what the sim is using and check alternatives or ask, like there was a number of questions about focused resolve earlier in the tier when it was better for very few people
coral pawn
@long portal okay....that helps alot actually...thanks
cobalt pelican
but those people always end up in the right place eventually
civic forge
yeah i just checked my potion sim too, and it even tells me unbridled fury is better
albiet by a small amount
but still
dire spoke
Its more of an user experience kinda thing than anything else
cobalt pelican
i mean i probably agree the raidbots gui wording could be better but yeah
fleet anchor
Potion depends on gear, that basically just falls either way depending on stats
Food is kinda whatever though, last I looked it was only like 300 DPS difference for my gear even with Expedient 26 ๐
Won't actually change any sim evaluations
civic forge
sure. for me it was a 400 dps difference, which is like half a socket
around half anyway
fleet anchor
If the goal is to get max sim to link to someone, it's important. For any other purpose it really won't matter though.
cobalt pelican
yeah like it's never going to change item selection or anything outside of very minor differences
fleet anchor
It's possible I could add something more complex to check if you had Expedient items or something
But I'll have to check to see if it's possible at that stage in the sim setup
It may not be
Default food might get chosen before gear is loaded
dire spoke
shouldnt be too much work to add information to the dropdown since the iterations need that Info from the very start
fleet anchor
Not sure what you mean adding to the dropdown
cobalt pelican
nah, i really don't think it's even on the profiles to be like that at this point it really is just a raidbots feedback thing where "Use Default" implies what's actually happening rather than "Let SimC decide" which kinda does imply something is happening rather than it just defaulting
only time i'd say it's been significant enough to warrant profile changing is like
focused resolve and unbridled in 8.2 was a pretty big difference for most people
dire spoke
a decision implies choosing from options and thats not the Same as if it stated "use APL preset"
Hehe
strange python
would be nice to be able to sim diff pots and foods in top gear
dire spoke
I mean add the item name below the dropdown when "let simc decide" is chosen
long portal
I have 2 in my bag, pls say prayer for me for cara loot tonight
civic forge
ill head over to the raidbots discord and give that feedback. thanks
surreal solar
i need better pants/gloves, then i'd have that much haste >.>
dense axle
12k at 475, vs 13.6k at 485 for GW
long portal
idk what your off pieces are, but for me the mastery/vers pants sim higher than the haste/vers pants I had
dense axle
use plumage with Vendetta
strange python
k
long portal
Ye, its not much different at all
scarlet sequoia
should probably sim the gw on 485
was better for me than a t2 expedient
@frozen karma
long portal
i did like 2 weeks ago and it wasn't, but lot more exped now.
dense axle
my guess is that R3 exped and 1 GW on those boots will be best
exped makes GW better, right?
long portal
next week you can run 8 t3 exped under 60, i believe
frozen karma
@scarlet sequoia in the long run or just for now?
summer adder
my neck level is holding my sim back smh
frozen karma
eh ill sim it when it's back on the vendor I guess
celest mirage
do you spend 4 CPs with deeper stratagem? or build to 6
sleek pecan
Do CT ticks also restore Energy?
frozen karma
only time I'd spend 4 cp would be to refresh a rupture that's falling off
sturdy python
No @sleek pecan
sleek pecan
Ok ty
rigid eagle
I have achieved 0 versatility!
long portal
yeah GW on those boots is 40dps less than exped2, but like I said - next week you can run 8x exped3 under 60 so the compare is really with exped 3 anyway, imo
slate shore
exp3 is 20 corrup or more?
long portal
20
slate shore
ok nice , thanks
versed mica
wowhead still doesn't want me to put any more exped III's on because I have 475 pants with tendy III :)))
void pecan
wowhead...?
versed mica
my sim seems to refuse to corrupt my replacement pants with exped for some reason
raidbot
brain fart
civic forge
its telling you that tendy 3 is better than like expedient 8?
versed mica
Naw, I'm still farming more exped containments atm
It's just that right now, having tendy is better than using any exped containments yet
civic forge
oh i see
versed mica
from what I have so far I mean
civic forge
yeah i just got rid of my tendies
super excited to see how much better it will feel in raid tonight
versed mica
Yeah, tendies don't really seem all that consistent anyways
void pecan
none of the damage ones are
slate shore
do the full stack expedient build is good for raid , mm+ or both? or i can keep some appendice and pray for proc?
steep plover
Can u corrupt trinkets?
main forge
9 slots can take corruptions.
steep plover
Aight ty
main forge
Wrist, Hands, Belt, Legs, Boots, Ring, Ring, MH, OH
steep plover
Thanks cuz
main forge
@slate shore Good for Raid, and good for overall. (M+ favors some crit IIRC)
slate shore
ok , i need to get some crit/haste gear before get expedient x)
slate shore
im at 26% atm
main forge
Sim it, but a few pieces of expedient will put you over 40%
west totem
Was it 32% or 34% crit which was ideal before going in to Haste/mastery pieces
fleet whale
there is no magic number of crit
strange python
@west totem where did you get that info from?
west totem
I saw Infexous video about the big bleed build
strange python
did he leave i cant even ping him here
sullen pagoda
@frigid briar
strange python
fucking clickbait sellout
fleet whale
when it comes to secondary stats i know it's the boring answer but it's just sim it
there is no magic % of any secondary stat
sullen pagoda
well except haste kinda since it starts ramping up with expedients
that number is all of it
main forge
in my offset which doesn't have the same stats as my pieces with expedient... but I sit at 23% haste, with 4x exp 3's I go up to 40%
fleet whale
that's cause you get more value from each haste point with exp. for example 100% exp means 10 haste is actually 20 etc
main forge
so yeah expedient is jucier
slate shore
i have realy crap gear, but can i just use exp on all piece or i need to change all my stuff for only haste/ crit?
west totem
Get mechagon rings
west totem
Does are ideal to put it on
fleet whale
get bote rank 3
sullen pagoda
thats same logic for any stat but its haste that exponentially grows
fleet whale
and mechagon rings are nice but far from neccessary
frosty vigil
Hello so, Im with 5 exp III in bag, and Im wondering all day which pieces To change and simmed alot of times but it keeps simming both my IE 3 and 2 better https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jebkdSmYmxqgVNNMMSiTXA
any guesses ?
cobalt pelican
just remove the stars from the sim
frosty vigil
have a sand-shined boot 475 with socket that i can put exp 3 either but these damm IE keep simming higher
cobalt pelican
and put the purified versions of the items in
frosty vigil
but im not sure i remove both of them and use all exp 3
or keep some cause the next round of exp 3 is only july 14
sullen pagoda
no point in simming IS when its usable on barely any boss really
you are simming something thats not actually usable
fleet whale
it's usable on 6 bosses tbh but i wouldn't go out of my way to use it
sullen pagoda
oh and depending on your guild fights now end in like 2-4min
frosty vigil
so I can surely quit these IS ? thanks alot
sullen pagoda
IS value goes down since we are not a skilled class that eyebeams and gets 3k haste
frigid briar
Nice ping
frosty vigil
yeah im still progressin in Mythic currently 4/12M guild so theres fights with 5minutes
strange python
@frigid briar what did you base the magical 34% or however much you mention in your vid on?
frosty vigil
Im on xanesh right now
strange python
because all day people come in here with dumb questions about it
sullen pagoda
IS is decent on xanesh id say
frigid briar
I ran sims adding expediant and dropping stats. Anything below 32% wanted more crit. Which is pretty standard
sullen pagoda
kind of makes u play greedy and focus boss more
strange python
can you link them?
sullen pagoda
@frosty vigil but going forward you will probably use it only on xanesh raden and maybe ilgynoth
not worth it imo
frigid briar
I dont currently have the sim on me lol. Im on my phone. I dont print a file every sims I run. Go sim it. See what results turn up
surreal solar
how does CT work for Exsang build? it feels like exsang shortens it as well
frigid briar
Do you believe its wrong @strange python
strange python
i don't think it's wrong per se
frigid briar
So what then?
strange python
but teaching people in your vid how to sim instead of telling them you need x stat so they come here and ask about it because they dont know how to go further with it would be better
frigid briar
Lol you are joking right?
strange python
no
they come here with ilvl 430, saw your vids, want to play exsang, ask if they need 32% or 34% crit before stacking haste
frigid briar
And you say what? Sim yo self kek
void pecan
Actually we normally say
frigid briar
I get what you are saying.
west cove
void pecan
I know nothing of you or your content
frigid briar
Clickbait? The video I used is rank 5 Maut. Hardly click bait.
fleet anchor
I mean the rough requirements to Exsang are pinned so don't need to say sim yo self when you can say 
๐
frosty vigil
@frosty vigil but going forward you will probably use it only on xanesh raden and maybe ilgynoth
@sullen pagoda thanks for the answer mate
sullen pagoda
when content about to start as im going to sleep 
frigid briar
I said, aim for 32-34% crit. Pretty sure I said sim yourself aswell
rancid bobcat
theyre going to hear the crit and nothing else
sullen pagoda
any nattle subs in the chat
frigid briar
You sound like another failed guide writer
rancid bobcat
frigid briar
Its funny, anyone who does anything to do with rogue gets shit for it for peoples whos channels or streams didnt take off.
rancid bobcat
void pecan
What year is it?
rancid bobcat
void pecan
We snapshot again?
frigid briar
I dont care much either. I expect to take shit from time to time. It comes with the territory
delicate bone
Once you guys get partnered with method then you can rag on the guy, until then I donโt think you know more than him lmao
rancid bobcat
void pecan
LOL
steep plover
Whats wrong with this guy and dratnos
frigid briar
Tragic. Living in your head rent free
steep plover
U guys are going in lmao
fleet whale
for real why does this discord hate Dratnos so much? His vids aren't bad for the general wow raider
delicate bone
Nothing, people are just dicks for no reason, just cus they arent successful they want to shit on others online, itโs quite hilarious ๐
frigid briar
True
serene osprey
he abandoned us in our time of need
frigid briar
Its as sad as the wewlads thing. Its cringe af
delicate bone
He still plays his rogue, and itโs pretty damn geared lol
late helm
how do you best use GCB?
frigid briar
Dratnos makes good content for players
sullen pagoda
wtf do u have against wewlads
frigid briar
Players will bash him but he makes good content
fleet whale
he does base his thoughts on weird things though
like he thinks assassin is gonna be way better than outlaw in M+ in SL
just cause assasin doesn't have an aoe cap
shrewd night
Yo, this just in. Even if exsang snapshots haste, it doesnt work on gcb. Man, if I hadnt watched youtube, I wouldnt have known.
fleet whale
completely ignoring assassin losing things like EB
sullen pagoda
no need for cap if you aint doing aoe
delicate bone
Wait you guys actually donโt know anything lmao, do you watch him? He uses none of this independently
He literally refers to it as โblood barrageโ why spread false info?
fleet whale
cause this discord is upset that people on reddit think that Dratnos is a rogue expert
serene osprey
he's an admitted fotm reroller, just like most people that play 14 hours a day
delicate bone
@gusty kestrel youโre just cringe tbh
rigid mango
Anyone who keeps the convo going after this comment gets their comment deleted and if u feel like that's not enough I'll hand out some mutes
Move on with your lives
void pecan
rigid mango
Have a great night.
rancid bobcat
gleaming viper
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jHewRfF3yhjYSvvj6sVXJ or https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/thr578VzUpoFk8eCmLjs3W im stuck guys , dont know what to do tomorrow
rancid bobcat
what do you mean
gleaming viper
different build/traits/gear
gleaming viper
which build ? ^^
gleaming viper
i see, tyvm
void pecan
shrewd night
rigid mango
shut garnet
zine sims pinned when?
rigid mango
Go to bed 
shut garnet
i wanna see the 460 gw boe
rigid mango
You wanna see my 87k sim? 
void pecan
Yes please.
rigid mango
Nvm that was pre gw nerfs 
shut garnet
das yuge
fleet anchor
Fun fact
shut garnet
LOL
arctic walrus
@scarlet sequoia here man, these are my stats. Just copy these exactly, I cleared the raid faster than you so it is safe to assume you will need these
fleet anchor
400 ilevel socketed Galecallers is within 0.4% of Coral and better than 475 Dice or Spyglass
shrewd night
rigid mango
fleet anchor
I would personally stay sub-40 unless you can see that your healers have a fight on lock
wet ruin
@fleet anchor fromless void major when 
arctic walrus
I will personally dm you a link to my armory so you can replicate each piece of gear
scarlet sequoia
i see your gear has 0 avoidance
@arctic walrus
is that what i want too?
and speed
arctic walrus
No I am working towards some echoes for avoidant
scarlet sequoia
what about speed
arctic walrus
It is a really great build when you stack expedient to also mirror it with avoidant
upper mortar
Too much crit 35%
void pecan
leech > avoid?
strange python
@arctic walrus did you aim for 35% after seeing it in a yt vid?
unkempt stump
What is the sweet spot?
shrewd night
I learned how to do 30k dps from a youtube video 
arctic walrus
Yes I actually know all the breakpoints but I am saving it for a new video of mine so be sure to sub and hit that little bell icon
fleet anchor
But you guys can stop arguing about streamers and go back to arguing about Blood vs. CLF, that's a little more civilized. ๐
void pecan
Like and subscribe for more great content.
arctic walrus
subpar at most
scarlet sequoia
You can find all the information you need in my guide! It is pinned in this very discord. For further information you can check my sims.
unkempt stump
So everyone is going to buy massive amounts of expedients tomorrow?
fleet anchor
*Today
void pecan
*today
fleet anchor
๐
rancid bobcat
damn EU players
unkempt stump
Probably amature numbers but I can get 7 of them - But I doubt i'll get good parses as we dont kill the bosses in under a min
scarlet sequoia
like something out of a preach video
arctic walrus
It's great to see such accomplished rogueslike yourself @scarlet sequoia hanging out in the discord like the rest of these average players like @gusty kestrel @quasi pewter to name a few
warm parcel
arctic walrus
dont worry you're just so good we let you fool around with your ego all the time
@warm parcel Meme's in the name, you're not apart of this
void pecan
And the bell to know when your videos come out
That way we can watch them immediately
arctic walrus
You already know the power has gone to his head when he's doing viewer fueled content
scarlet sequoia
๐
void pecan
Streamer viewer keys when?
scarlet sequoia
this is our room
harsh sphinx
his guides in the pins
arctic walrus
only seli and raz can hang around here, they have guides pinned
isn't that right @gusty kestrel
scarlet sequoia
idk how im not a #community figure
i get all the questions and none of the power
shut garnet
raz for purple
strange python
cf have power
strange python
i thought you buy that rank so you get twitch viewers