assassination

[vital tapir]

yup

I had one where it had uptime of 60%

usually it's around 15%

[tropic ocean]

And its the worst

When it proc on shielded nzoth

[vital tapir]

oh yeah

[tropic ocean]

Fucker corruption

[paper kelp]

its funny tho when you proc 2-3 at once

[vital tapir]

it is funny, unless you do that or it procs on shielded maut

[paper kelp]

hey i ve actually never lived maut

[vital tapir]

and if you don't have your defensives up? You're done for

[tropic ocean]

For maut iirc it doesnt matter it doesnt reflect the dmg to you?

Might be wrong on that one

[jovial spear]

How god is the Blightborne infusion trait really? Is it worth grinding out a second one? (Already have Gorak Thuls mantle at 480)

[vital tapir]

it doesn't?

[jovial spear]

good*

[tropic ocean]

Theres no 2nd one

[vital tapir]

Blightborne is pretty good

[tropic ocean]

Only gorak tul

[vital tapir]

^

oh btw, seen some people stack nothing personal

but it seems as a shit thing to stack

[paper kelp]

Maut is the worst fight cause i only get tendies during obsidian and die through ironbark

[vital tapir]

now that ausr mentioned that it might not reflect dmg from MF, I'm gonna have to check that

[faint harness]

just dont get intermission

with more gear, killing maut before intermission is a very real thing

[jovial spear]

is Gravethorn hood unavailable?

[faint harness]

we're already doing that

[paper kelp]

we're only 6/12M

[faint harness]

right

[vital tapir]

same

[paper kelp]

we re not at that point yet

and we have a sub optimal raid comp

[faint harness]

but it quickly became a similar thing with ashvane

give it 2-3 weeks and everyone will be 1 phasing maut

[paper kelp]

true

[vital tapir]

ye

[faint harness]

cus of corruption

[vital tapir]

yup

[primal turret]

after the nerf what will be better wounds or exp II?

[paper kelp]

but today is the worst day ever got myself a boe ring yesterday and equipped it cause I didnt have any of the mechagon rings and got both of them today

[vital tapir]

I'd prefer exp tbh

bc it's a flat stat increase, while wounds still has rng proc

[primal turret]

The prob is that i have wounds on 475 with socket and exp II in a 465

so overall i think that the first item give me more dps

[vital tapir]

then there's no point in really asking is there?

but since you have corruption vendor now

you could at one point switch it out

[primal turret]

hope to save enought echoes

[tropic ocean]

Its not a think thing

You can just sim it

😂

[jovial spear]

How many iterations are you allowed to run with raidbots premium?

[primal turret]

how can i sim something that is not nerfed atm?

[tropic ocean]

Nightly has the nerf

@jovial spear 15mil with highest premium

[jovial spear]

damn, thats totally worth it. Think free is like 400k

[vital tapir]

300k is free

it sucks

[faint harness]

how would an opener with CT be?

kinda annoying no?

taking like 10 seconds to setup

[tropic ocean]

?

[scarlet sequoia]

#tc-research if u need context

[tropic ocean]

ah

0.4%

cba

😄

[faint harness]

just seeing it in front of me

opening with g's

rupture

and then we do another round of mutilates?

for CT?

exsang?

[scarlet sequoia]

have to wait and see what he comes up with

just means its definitely worth playing on most bosses

at least on sims

[faint harness]

if its already winning on pure st

lots of fights with trash

[turbid osprey]

agree with the simming point ofc, but was curious, whats the purpose of the honed mind proc in here?

doesnt seem like it would interact with all the stacked expedients at all

[faint harness]

increases ur bleed dmg

[turbid osprey]

or do you just hope it goes off when you exsang

[faint harness]

it has high uptime

[turbid osprey]

oh right, ive actually never had one

fair enough then

[tropic ocean]

@faint harness real question will be if it is a gain if the mob doesnt live duration

e.g. tents on nzoth

[faint harness]

not like poison bomb is good for that either

gotta weigh it against the alternative

[tropic ocean]

yeah but doesnt pb just proc and does the dmg to the mob

[turbid osprey]

its a floor effect is it not

can be moved out of it

or was that old pb

[tropic ocean]

i think it was old but im not 100% sure

[faint harness]

no its an aoe

on the ground

either way

both are "dots"

that lose value if the mob dies quickly

thats just the nature of assassination

and why doing p1 nzoth is so fucking dreadful

you barely get ur dots to tick before the thing is dead

[tribal obsidian]

Its only on ground for a small time

Does its damage quickly

[tropic ocean]

yeah actually

2s

[wet ruin]

so now you can run CT on carapace and say its better for ST

[tropic ocean]

compared to 12sec of ct

or 14sec with deeper strat

[wet ruin]

you probably won't use it the opener though, I doubt that CT damage would be worth for exsang while losing a few ticks on garrote and rupture

[faint harness]

perhaps

[turbid osprey]

mastery doesnt do anything to the GW bleed does it?

[faint harness]

nai

[turbid osprey]

ty

[cobalt pelican]

i imagine you'd just forgo ct till exsang is running

but ye

wild times

[bleak spoke]

What

Are we ct in st now

Oh no man

[arctic walrus]

Yep

[bleak spoke]

Actually I kinda like that

But

[worldly sandal]

ahhhh i just ran a 3m iteration sim

[bleak spoke]

Oh no no no

[worldly sandal]

and realized it was in dslice

[bleak spoke]

Are we also worldvein major

Oh no no no x2 combo

[warm parcel]

assa rn

[turbid osprey]

[tropic ocean]

i dont want more buttons to presss

I just learned my rotation yikes

[glacial steppe]

idk, lately i cant get past 200k dps during opener

no crits at all

[tropic ocean]

are u using focused resolve

[glacial steppe]

garrote has like 20% crit chance even with foc resolve

ye

just giga unlucky

[crimson palm]

all u need is the goraks proc

[glacial steppe]

literally having the shitties procs of my life

rip logs

[orchid solstice]

Which is focused resolve again?

[glacial steppe]

2:41 maut, 6s uptime on blight borne infusion

XD

literally procced the last 6 seconds KEKW

[crimson palm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WJmDyhPvNFGpqV4K#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=12 when some stars align

[tropic ocean]

laughing in arms

[turbid osprey]

so when playing exsang

you get exsang back with 2nd bote right

do you just use bote then? or use exsang and hold bote for vend

or hold both?

[gleaming viper]

guys is there a way to retrieve my stats from a sim ? looks like html report does not take into account expedient, severe or maybe i read wrong the report

[worldly sandal]

are there any assa rogue M+ streamers?

[heavy forum]

Seliathan

[lime edge]

What's ct again?

[faint harness]

crimson tempest

[lime edge]

Oh right

[thorn crater]

guys i havent been back since 8.1 i only have the one question. did they fix the garrote issue with subterfuge opener? that if u used another garrote all dmg became non buffed?

with SS ofc

[drifting cloud]

yes

[twin bay]

its such a pain running KR for the trinket...people leaving left and right

[glacial steppe]

kekw, tabbed out, didnt notice the pulltimer and couldnt go stealth for raden

[lime edge]

So we are ct now?

How come, and under what circumstances?

[scarlet sequoia]

relax

[weak basalt]

How often does corruption vendor change corruptions ? Is there anywhere I can check ?

[indigo cloak]

2 Times per week

[tropic ocean]

@lime edge one step at a time

[indigo cloak]

On saturday minor asault reset

[tropic ocean]

make your brain heat up once the research is done and you have the appropriate gear for it

😄

[weak basalt]

@indigo cloak is there anywhere we can check which corruptions will pop up ?

[jolly star]

about @scarlet sequoia 's guide - whats the point of aligning vendetta with vanish when playing subterfuge?

[lone junco]

CT was always neat in keys. Will be interesting in ST. If the tick rate increases more from haste than the pbomb tick rate.

[tropic ocean]

@jolly star cuz more dmg

[lone junco]

@jolly star those builds are peaky at the open and at the vanish. thats where your vendetta goes. due to the vanish GG

[jolly star]

i don't see interaction

[lone junco]

I have blocked warcraft logs, but if you look at a damage profile of shad by Raz, then you will see the damage peaks,

[jolly star]

peaks are obvious

[lone junco]

wtf man.

you see the peaks, thats where the vendetta goes

[jolly star]

one and the other buffs damage

[lone junco]

vendetta and vanish have been aligned for years.

[lean marten]

subt buffs garrote and so does vend for big dick ticks

[lone junco]

i regret the wear and tear on my keyboard for this very short conversation.

afk

[late iron]

Does exsanguinate work on Rezans Fury?

[lean marten]

i'd assume xang only works on rogue abilities, could be wrong

[turbid osprey]

probably like vend ye, only enhances rogue stuff

i assume you dont hold 3rd exsang for 2nd vend

but do you use 2nd bote with 3rd exsang or save it for 2nd vend?

[lone junco]

@turbid osprey it typically depends on fight length, as to whether there will be another alignment. and a loss of an exang.

[turbid osprey]

right ok, so you could hold it but if you'd lose a cast of exsang not worth?

[tropic ocean]

from my observation exsang works on internal bleeding, ct, garrote, rupture

[turbid osprey]

i.e. if you hold for more than 45 seconds total its not worth

[lone junco]

last rules i heard, were that you align the open, use the mid block exang oncd. then you hold 3rd for the 2min vanish. and then willy nily after that, but idk.

[turbid osprey]

in raz' guide it says 4th exsang lines up

[indigo cloak]

@weak basalt nope

[lone junco]

other people had used the 2nd and 3rd exang, and delayed vanish to the 4th

yeah.

[turbid osprey]

ahhh ok, so you delay vend a bit

[lone junco]

that is fine.

[turbid osprey]

because youre less likely to miss a vend cast

being 2 mins

ok

[lone junco]

it really matters when your /use trinket and bote are ready. you really want all that pop for the vanish vendetta.

[drifting cloud]

not only its fine, its optimal 😛

[turbid osprey]

running coral dice atm because stupid raden wont drop vita

[tropic ocean]

?

[turbid osprey]

so coral is kind of always ready haha

[tropic ocean]

if you play correctly after 1st and 2nd vendetta

every other will line with vanish automatically

unless you play vision essence

[lone junco]

it gets weird if your trinket isnt 2min, but yeah.

its nice to see exang back in the game.

[lean marten]

i've just been xanging every minute which gives vend/vanish every other xang

[turbid osprey]

first time im playing it, started playing rogue at end of BoD

[lone junco]

if raz guide says 4th, then do that.

[tropic ocean]

what im currently more thinking about is the opener rotation

[lone junco]

when fight goes over 6mins is where it would start to go sideways

I love his opener with the vendetta trinket exang bote.

[serene sierra]

what im currently more thinking about is the opener rotation
@tropic ocean garrote rupture garrote vend multilate rupture exsang blood

[tropic ocean]

i know that lol

[lone junco]

what, trying to squeeze in CT?

it doesnt exang so i guess you can just put it up right after the exang. cause you have a billion E at that time.

[tropic ocean]

building full cp before exsang to bote into envenom to buff both mutilate with envenom during bote

as you still get full bote on buffed garrotes and rupture unless my logic is bad

[lone junco]

ah. so you rupture mut mut . . exang Blood mut mut env.

[late iron]

Hemo build what essences are yall running?

[tropic ocean]

more like rupture mut mut exsang blood envenom mut mut

but yeah

[thorn crater]

where can i find this guide?

[lone junco]

shouldnt matter unless DD. and youre not dd.

[tropic ocean]

yeah probably

[lone junco]

you will land them plenty after the exang

[late iron]

oh new pin, thank you!

[tropic ocean]

but when you play dd with exsang

might need to think about it

[lone junco]

you are delaying your vendetta vanish by 2globals. to gain a possible poison crit during the bote.

micro shit probably

[thorn crater]

@tropic ocean ah i saw taht u just said raz and that thing had a different person taht wrote it 😛

[tropic ocean]

not delaying vendetta

but exsang

[lone junco]

and vanish.

but yeah

[tropic ocean]

@thorn crater different person pinned it but raz wrote it

[lone junco]

fucked up part about that exang guide, is that it helps you 0 in keys.

gratz on a million haste.

now get new gear for keys

[thorn crater]

ure talking about crit mastery gear right

[tropic ocean]

well you had different gear for keys and raid anyway

[turbid osprey]

just play outlaw

[tropic ocean]

so nothing really changed

[vapid scarab]

That’s why I just decided to stack gushing

Most versatile for all 3 rogue specs, good for pvp too

[lone junco]

eww

[long portal]

Did the 35% GW nerf ever go in?

[drifting cloud]

next reset for real I swear on me mum - Blizzard (probably)

[lone junco]

are people around the 80k sim range still using vigor over DS?

with less haste you will need vigor still.

[turbid osprey]

ds beats vigor for me at 90

but only just

[lone junco]

k.

[turbid osprey]

well

92 to be exact

GL!

[long portal]

Just buy more corruption 😄

[turbid osprey]

35???

[long portal]

healers can do 35k these days?

thats pretty bad for a dps 😦

thats less than 1/2 of what I do on shad. feelsbadman

Power spike this tier has been pretty nutty, though. Makes sense, I guess. I'm 476 in that set, I think

mecha rings+coral make that lower, though. ilvl for rogue isnt exactly the best gauge atm.

[lone junco]

our rogues are fine

they know a guy that can fix their logs.

[strange python]

crimson tempest on cara?

[jolly star]

I modified some weakauras into one for exsang - shows cd and glows when garrote durations >15s and rupture duration >25s - https://wago.io/SP6yQQFIa for anybody interested.

[vast forum]

@strange python no, unless it sims higher than pb on st

which, according to #tc-updates could be the case

[long portal]

Anything but PB on cara feels pretty pad to me

[vast forum]

or #tc-research

[tawny shell]

So if exp 2 is tonight I assume it’s worth buying 2 of them

[long portal]

I wouldnt

in a few weeks we're going to be way under corrupted even running 9x r3 exped

[tribal obsidian]

I would

[scarlet sequoia]

u want 1 of them at some point but yeah

[long portal]

Guess it just depends on where you're at for prog and if your raid dps is holding you back /shrug

[tribal obsidian]

Id rather have the extra dps now I they aren't expensive anyway honestly

[long portal]

The numbers in the guide are for todays corruption resist. 3 more every week

[tribal obsidian]

Yea

[long portal]

There are a lot of factors, there really isn't a right answer.

[drifting cloud]

the numbers in the guide arent for todays resist

[placid kindle]

so is there a point runing exan build with only for ex. 1x r3 exp and 1x r3 rp

or is it as simple as "sim yourself"

[tribal obsidian]

I got over 20k echo in one week so using that in consideration

[long portal]

Ooof thats a lot of farming. @placid kindle i have 2 r3s, 45% unbuffed haste and exsang doesnt sim higher for me.

[placid kindle]

ye atm build felt better to play with and was good output

but its close to my normal build

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aQpATTCt6JpTSaToyGk2GY vs https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2mYmrfg1re6rvTChcd7cBM

[tawny shell]

@scarlet sequoia yeah if you want 1 perma I’ll prolly just buy. Good looks on guide

[tribal obsidian]

How close does a non exang build get at max corruption. Assuming its been tested where people say exang will be best

[tropic ocean]

The numbers in the guide are for todays corruption resist. 3 more every week
@long portal

they are not

with current gear you cant run that much corruptions unless you want to play super risky

[long portal]

Oh they're not lol, sorry just the 7x r3 puts you over 40

[tropic ocean]

and running 9 expedients will take a while too

[long portal]

With no mention of it in the guide, i just kind of assumed it was a 'safe' build. my bad

[tropic ocean]

9 expedients currently leave me at 90 corruption or so

its the bis, what you'll wear with max cloak res

[long portal]

Is there a known max?

[tropic ocean]

well 3 per week

[placid kindle]

in the end its gna be 150 resist from the cloak itsemf xd

itself*

[long portal]

Just run max tendies, rng your way to r1s xD

[drifting cloud]

125 is the max on cloak

[visual pawn]

Im on ravenholdt.net but i might be blind, how do you use BoTe in your rotation? 🙂

[tropic ocean]

after tb/exsang

[visual pawn]

ty

[tropic ocean]

if u play with ma, into vanish+envenom

[ebon forge]

guys

quick newbie question

i need Ashenvane's Razor trinket ?

[brisk raptor]

could help, but not a necessity

[ebon forge]

but it says that its ilvl is 445+ ?

im using Harlan from Freehold and Humming

[onyx crane]

it's good if you can stay on the boss otherwise get highlvl spygless

I like spyglass

[brisk raptor]

for single or multi target?

for single humming is fine, not so good for multi tagret

[ebon forge]

since im enjoying sin rogue

[onyx crane]

humming vs vita?

[ebon forge]

do i need to care much about multi target ?

[brisk raptor]

vita!

[onyx crane]

I have hc vita and myth humming

[ebon forge]

i got void yesterday instead of vita -_-

[brisk raptor]

for m+ caring about multi target is a must

void for multi is fine cuz of the crit proc

[onyx crane]

how is drestagaths in M+ for sin

[brisk raptor]

pain in the ass most probably, but depends on what build you using

[onyx crane]

and the jar? ( I have not gotten that one yet)

[slim pebble]

Is there a way to sim certain azerite without rerolling it in game

[cursive plaza]

Top gear

[long portal]

like an item you dont have? you can use droptimizer or gear compare

[dreamy aurora]

#announcements

[glacial steppe]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hRbAEVjYUHBwD12xGQRKiF not bad, no cara chest/dagger

[high holly]

Just got back after a year long break, which rank 3 essence should i buy?

[limber lion]

BOTE

[tribal obsidian]

Im surprised you have all crit gems

With so many expedient

[tawny shell]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r9qgEVA5mbFuDYdkekV77z maybe im simming wrong but for rb not wanting honed mind 3. not sure why

valuing more exp2

[tribal obsidian]

Wasn't the honed only better in the BiS setup

[desert kelp]

anyone knows if the corruptions on sale are always the same, that go on a rotation? in other words is it gonna be 2½-3 weeks till the next Expedient rank 3 reset?

[tropic ocean]

@desert kelp rotation

[tawny shell]

well yeah but im simming for exp3 exp2 and honed minds. Wouldnt that be testing the bis setup for this sim @tribal obsidian

[desert kelp]

welp, atleast I'll have time to spam the living hell to farm echoes

[tribal obsidian]

You have all the exp ?

[tropic ocean]

theres not really a hurry

due to cloak resistance

u cant wear all anyway until some weeks

[tribal obsidian]

^

[tropic ocean]

well technically u can but

most likely will die

[desert kelp]

Yeah only meaning to farm so I can replace my 2x Exp 1x IS rank 3 to just expedient for more consistent numbers

[tawny shell]

well i have 3 now but im simming as if i would have all the exp. Putting me at 55. The BiS set up doesnt require giga weeks does it?

[tropic ocean]

wow arena tournament so boring

rogue with tank trinket

[tawny shell]

maybe im just dumb with this new corruption simming

[desert kelp]

Arena = who gets the best corruption procs ":D"

[tropic ocean]

they running around with safeguard and tank trinkets

zzz

[desert kelp]

yeaaaaaaaah it's pretty boring

[tropic ocean]

@tawny shell ? you are just limited by gear and cloak resistance

with full expedient and current cloak you will be around 90 corruption

smtjh

[tawny shell]

oh true. okay math just hard :/

[tropic ocean]

you can put more corruption than 100 as limit

and just distract the resistance by yourself

[tawny shell]

yeah i get it now. I have it set at 60 so its valuing more exp 2s due to not going over 60

[tribal obsidian]

Arena in 2020

[grave marsh]

Do we know what the new corruptions are going to be tonight?

[tribal obsidian]

No

[grave marsh]

Is it a set list or all random?

I just want to get some expedient lol

[tribal obsidian]

Relax and wait like everyone else

[grave marsh]

Yeah I just don’t want to be impatient and spend it on a burning rush

[tropic ocean]

how can u be impatient

u want all r3 expedient 1 r2 exp and honed mind as end game goal

so just buy 7 r3 expedient and u good

for a long time

[last crown]

i just hope it legitimately semi-cycles so a string of bad luck doesnt mean that it could be 8 weeks for exped3 to come back

knowing blizzard its fully likely we could see the same couple of corruption ranks multiple times before fully cycling through

[echo haven]

@tropic ocean how is possible that your sim of some days ago said over 300.000 dps?

[tropic ocean]

that was 6 mob aoe sim

for m+

[echo haven]

I thought that was impossible go over 120/130 k of dps

Oh

[tropic ocean]

my st sim is 102-105kish

[echo haven]

Ah ok

Thanks for the answer

[tropic ocean]

npz

[little root]

whatre top firemages/hunters simming at rn?

[fallow marsh]

yo guys did blizzard change infinite again? thafuq

[tropic ocean]

@little root think hunter is 120k ish?

and highest sim afaik arms warr with 130k+

[little root]

ah okay thats about what i expected

thx

[tropic ocean]

I correct myself

fuck arms

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mtlAvEpvOWV_SUKczszuLnigWkyM0va4qVLNfiYspI4/https/i.imgur.com/0vIYGGG.png?width=469&height=607

[little root]

wat the shit

[rancid bobcat]

hands warrior

[little root]

thats just not fair lol

although its using stars soo idrc

[tropic ocean]

but even without stars 130k+

[little root]

yeah im more okay with that

[tropic ocean]

sin is top decked what

113k? 115k? XD

[little root]

yea just about :/

but sin is more fun though which is what its all about right guys?.... right?

[feral creek]

does anybody tried a full mastery build? like dots and bleeds hurt like hell?

[tropic ocean]

u can sim it

but its inferior to haste

[glad compass]

trying to sim my BIS gear any errors that you guys see?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/964uZJuKrW6wQMWyVWARX5

BIS endgame corruption that is

[sacred flint]

100 corruption should be fun

[balmy condor]

Gorak shoulders

[glad compass]

its 55 corruption once we hit max resist

[balmy condor]

Also you should see if double 485 daggers is better

[sacred flint]

isnt that like 13 weeks away?

[faint harness]

Quite obvious

[balmy condor]

CLF should probably be better essence

[faint harness]

Ye we're prob close to SL when we can wear that

[glad compass]

yea i wish i had gorak tols or a second dagger 😦

[faint harness]

And sockets

Ur gear, even in that is a bit off bis

[glad compass]

thats what im trying to figure out

[balmy condor]

I mean, you said bis right

If you’re looking for only bis corruptions for your gear, just set the purify all gear option, crank the containers to 9, and hit sim

[glad compass]

thats what i did

[balmy condor]

There ya go

[viral iris]

is there an updated guide anywhere? seeing everyone running SS for single target and ive been away for a while

[balmy condor]

[tribal obsidian]

when you do a sim wasn't there a way for you to see the rotation its using or am i high?

[little root]

so back when i bought my first set of 460 shoulders from vendor i got goraks..... whatre the odds i get 475 goraks first try again

[balmy condor]

You can see a sample rotation in a quick sim

[tribal obsidian]

quick sim only?

[balmy condor]

But it’s a sample

To my knowledge yeah

But you could just run a top gear with some random jank setup you simmed

And then hit the three dots and run that in a quick sim

Raidbots has that functionality

[haughty mulch]

Crit buil possible with the right trinkets? Swapping from outlaw main for mythic, sitting at 40% crit, 16% haste and it seems fine. I have the gale-callers and vita

[balmy condor]

Possible? Sure

Optimal? No

Crit builds are for aoe situations on assassin, specifically with echoing blades and consistent multi-dotting in m+

[haughty mulch]

Mhm. It’s also telling me to take sub over master without and Ss traits

[balmy condor]

That’s pretty normal

[haughty mulch]

Just to get an idea on how to begin rehearing. What are the bis rings I’m aiming for

[balmy condor]

Mechagon If behind, haste

[dapper solar]

is it worth to save titan residuum for specific or roll the dice on the bis shoulders?

[balmy condor]

Usually it’s worth gambling

Expected value is usually that the cost to roll randomly and get it within 4-5 tries is cheaper than saving

[dapper solar]

thank you

[balmy condor]

Np

[sweet rampart]

what are the BiS shoulders?

[balmy condor]

Gorak

[sweet rampart]

gotcha

that jump from rolling for 460 to 475 is pretty high too, are most people rolling for 460 unless you are full mythic raiding?

[balmy condor]

Not sure what the question is

If it’s an upgrade, you roll

[sweet rampart]

my question is, is it better for me to save up for the 475 piece first? Or just spend on the 460 piece

[balmy condor]

Never buy 460’s

[sweet rampart]

k thank you

[balmy condor]

No problem

[vale shore]

ive got 475s in each azerite slot now, im saving up to actually get Goraks

[balmy condor]

Probably still not worth

[vale shore]

yeah it would mean breaking my 2 x Double Dose, 2 x Shrouded Suff, 2 x Nothing personal. Ill probably just stick with that

[balmy condor]

That seems pretty janky

[vale shore]

its versatile, can do trash packs as well as put out boss damage

[paper kelp]

why are trash packs any concern

[balmy condor]

...uh huh....

Well

[vale shore]

they are most of a M+ run

[balmy condor]

If it makes you happy

[paper kelp]

oh for m+

[balmy condor]

Double dose is awful in m+

Imo

[paper kelp]

true

[balmy condor]

And np is pretty questionable too

[vale shore]

for those short fights? its great, its comes in like 3rd or 4th highest source of damage

[balmy condor]

There’s a reason why you don’t see DD and NP in high keys

That’s what I’m saying

It’ll work fine, but it’s in no way the optimal build

[vale shore]

what do people go for? my keys usually top out at 16 or so

[paper kelp]

EB

[balmy condor]

Triple shrouded, triple eb

At least 1 Eb minimum usually

[vale shore]

I see, yeah I do both raiding and M+, usually on the same set

[balmy condor]

There’s an argument to be made for something like ttk

But I don’t really agree that much with it

[vale shore]

I have a subtlety set of 475 gear that I break out every now and then to see if sub is good yet

[balmy condor]

Sub won’t be good for the rest of the expac

[paper kelp]

i like having 1 scent of blood for m+

[vale shore]

maybe ill retool one set for raids and one for M+, since sub has not been good yet haha

[balmy condor]

No need to worry bout that

They gutted sub during the post-legion nerfs

And uldir shenanigans

[vale shore]

I feel like stacking EB is a waste on boss fights without adds though

[balmy condor]

You said yourself that the trash is important

[vale shore]

I guess I did

[balmy condor]

The damage you gain in trash is way more than the damage you lose single target

Which means time is gained, which is good

[vale shore]

and then just through crit corruptions on everything you can?

[sweet rampart]

is there a good balanced set for both raiding and mythic plus that people usually use?

[balmy condor]

Crit or TD

[vale shore]

I have IS 3 on a weapon, its great in raids but I am sick of it

[balmy condor]

I mean, you could just go triple Ss, triple eb, and run your raid set

And call it a day

But those expedients are gonna be a bit meh

[vale shore]

stacking haste instead of crit corruptions?

[balmy condor]

Not having triple shrouded in m+ is a huge loss

Haste for raids

Crit for m+

[vale shore]

triple SS, with crit stacked? wouldnt haste be better for the garrotes?

[distant lava]

no

[balmy condor]

Crit stacked for bigger eb

The haste is wasted cause you’re multidotting

[vale shore]

ah I see, ill have to look for echoing blades on my gear

[distant lava]

I mean wasted is not really the term

[balmy condor]

You’re gonna be energy capped in packs

Less valuable

Whatever

[distant lava]

but it doesn't scale as bad

[balmy condor]

Same effect

[distant lava]

I mean youalready energy cap in raids with decent levels of expedient

yet you still pick up haste

[balmy condor]

I’m sitting on exped12 and I’m not capped yet

I’m only capping during bloodlust

[distant lava]

that's not really decent levels

[vale shore]

is gushing wounds good for assassin? im seeing a lot of different things

[distant lava]

you can ask raz and saryero

and I'm pretty sure they cap

even without lucid

it's ok, but it's not the best

[balmy condor]

If 12 isn’t decent, then fuck me I guess we all have 50k echoes

[vale shore]

ive heard its less swingy than IS or TD, better for more situations

[distant lava]

I mean it's ok

but like

depends on what you view as decent I guess

[balmy condor]

Yeah gw is decent

But it’s gonna get nerfed

[paper kelp]

well BiS is exp23

so exp12 aint actually that much

[balmy condor]

Yeah but who has that much exped

[distant lava]

raz

[vale shore]

I might just wait until it shows up on the vendor and stack it

[distant lava]

saryero

[balmy condor]

Yes I get it

[distant lava]

probably a few other dudes in here I don't know about

[balmy condor]

2 people who farmed first months

Fine

Good for them

Majority of players prolly don’t

[distant lava]

12 is average

not decent

[balmy condor]

Those are synonyms?

[distant lava]

I have 11 and I got 0 good expedient pieces before the vendor

[balmy condor]

Pointless argument

Whatever

[distant lava]

you started it

[balmy condor]

12 is average, me suck

[distant lava]

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[vale shore]

I got a 475 dagger in my M+ chest this week with void ritual 2 on it, waiting for something worth replacing the corruption

[distant lava]

I should have said a little above average

[vale shore]

470 IS3 and 470 void tendril for weapons now

[balmy condor]

I would just cleanse it because it’s void ritual

Lmao

Fuck that

[vale shore]

yeah I know

[distant lava]

imo VR is better than IS

[balmy condor]

Really?

[distant lava]

I mean

[vale shore]

its only 2 and I dont think anyone else runs it to stack

[distant lava]

IS is dead on everything except 3 or 4 bosses

[balmy condor]

I’ll be the first to bag on IS

But VR is kinda mega weak

[distant lava]

VR is at least decent everywhere

[balmy condor]

Yeah I guess

[vale shore]

so is severed/strikethrough

[balmy condor]

For m+

Ye

[distant lava]

I mean I guess it's decent for raids too

[vale shore]

expedient/haste proc for raids?

[distant lava]

ye you stack expedient out the ass for raids

[vale shore]

im not made of echos of nyalotha though haha

[balmy condor]

It’ll be okay for raids yeah

But you’ll be pretty gimped in raids

[sweet rampart]

what?

[vale shore]

my guild is at the point where we pretty much just do Ra-den and nzoth each week

[distant lava]

you can play full haste for m+ I guess, you just have to stick to KR and workshop

and maybe temple

[balmy condor]

Well if you aren’t doing prog

[distant lava]

sounds like fun

[balmy condor]

Then go for it

[vale shore]

crit build it is!

and ill look around on my spare gear for EB

hopefully tonight both severe III and strikethrough III will be on the vender at the same time

[balmy condor]

Doubtful

[vale shore]

a rogue can dream

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t even want that tbh

Cause I wouldn’t have the echoes to buy all of them

[vale shore]

ive actually got a 475 ring with strikethrough III, the ring itself does not have crit though

[balmy condor]

And then id have to wait again

[vale shore]

er, severe III

+12%

[sweet rampart]

Do most of you run at least one EB?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[sweet rampart]

I tend to do decent Single target, but i don't have an EB so i suck terribly with anything cleave/aoe

[balmy condor]

I never do a key without at least 1

[vale shore]

what about tyrannical weeks?

[balmy condor]

Yep

Even on tyran

[sweet rampart]

do you run EB on raids too?

[balmy condor]

No

Unless I’m padding on hivemind or vex

[sweet rampart]

what do you like running on raids?

[balmy condor]

My gear currently is 3x SS 2x HoD 1x clock

Cause no goraks :)

[vale shore]

is the crit proc on goraks really that good?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s ridiculous

[vale shore]

better than a 3rd stack of SS?

[balmy condor]

Depends on character

3x SS is huge though

I would say probably not

[sweet rampart]

do people not run DD?

i feel like the sin guide is out dated lol

[balmy condor]

Pins

There’s a couple builds going around

A lot of people are switching to 3x SS exsang

But DD is still viable

[sweet rampart]

DD/TB still sim higher for me 🙂

err 😦

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[vale shore]

oh? exanguinate is coming back into vogue?

[balmy condor]

Exsang is the go-to

[vale shore]

with 3 x SS? of at all times?

[little root]

yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

[vale shore]

ive been toxic blading ...

[sweet rampart]

so 3 SS, 1 EB, 1 NP?

[balmy condor]

Don’t use eb in raids

Eb is only m+ or padding

Usually it’s 3SS, 1 gorak infusion 2 HoD

[vale shore]

whats HoD?

[balmy condor]

Heart of darkness

[vale shore]

oh, duh haha

[sweet rampart]

does Top gear sim take into account the traits? hope it has, DD is still ahead of HoD for me

but maybe it isn't looking at those

[balmy condor]

Top gear takes everything your character has into effect

It won’t count extra stats from your raids vita trinkets

But your characters traits, corruptions, gems, trinkets, talents

It adjusts for all of it

DD is better than HoD for you cause you’re not running exsang probably

If you’re running 3xDD with TB, Hod won’t replace a DD

Since that’s a big chunk of your damage

[sweet rampart]

Right now i have SSx2 DDx2 NPx1 and then 1 SoB

[balmy condor]

SoB on a raid set is kinda sketch

Your build is like a weird halfway between thing

I would replace the SoB probably with SS or DD

And go from there

[crimson palm]

or imagine if u had a tool that would tell u what to do

How crazy is that

[sweet rampart]

It's all i have 😦 haven't upgraded shoulders

[balmy condor]

Then play the game more

Just sim yourself and you’ll be fine

[raw pecan]

what is max corruption resistance we will get?

is it 125 cloak + 10 essence?

[balmy condor]

Something like that

[little root]

@crimson palm hah yeah okay as if 🙄

[woven prairie]

@balmy condor have anyone figured out the best corruption combo for Exsang build? heard some severe might be worth it or how many exped would u want... mind flay or nah?

[balmy condor]

23 exped

And then it seems like a bit of a crapshoot

But “BiS” anything is pretty sketchy

Even now when there is technically a BiS set

Every character will be different at least in terms of different off pieces, some people won’t have raden helm or goraks

So I suggest top gear, take your char, and just slam the max containment’s on there

[woven prairie]

well too many iterations to run everything at once lol

[fleet whale]

I miss BiS lists

[balmy condor]

Then do it a couple at a time

[woven prairie]

well every piece I change or every corruption I change would change the prio on all the other things

soooo doing them separate would kinda defeat the purpose

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s still better than nothing

[woven prairie]

I mean we can run 9 corruptions

[balmy condor]

You know for sure that 23 exped is the go to

So you can use that

[woven prairie]

23?

[raw pecan]

summary of expedient levels I guess

[balmy condor]

correct

[raw pecan]

I have 6 only

rip

[balmy condor]

pins

good guy koji ran the sims

[woven prairie]

so, 7x r3 and 1x r2 then maybe a severe

[balmy condor]

this is what the exsang guide says

so im inclined to think that's the way to go

[analog phoenix]

is there any consensus on what to go as second stat after haste with the max expedient sanguine build?

[balmy condor]

crit

[analog phoenix]

my guess would be mastery

oh okay

[balmy condor]

mastery is kinda meh imo

but its certainly not the worst

crit is better usually

[analog phoenix]

why honed mind then?

[balmy condor]

strong proc with good uptime

[raw pecan]

because when you run haste+crit , its good to have decent mastery proc

[balmy condor]

^

[raw pecan]

mastery dont really work that well in bleed build, its much better to crit with your bleeds than have more damage from it but not critting enough

[spark rampart]

took a huge gample on a rando az piece

and got my 3rd SS trait

[analog phoenix]

thank you!

[spark rampart]

lets go bois

[balmy condor]

the problem with mastery in general is that when blizz added bleeds to the mastery scaling

[raw pecan]

I am still waiting for my goraks 😦

[balmy condor]

they nerfed the actual % from mastery

[raw pecan]

third week with garbage shoulders

[balmy condor]

and so mastery ended up being pretty weak

[raw pecan]

its still good to have like 37-40%

[balmy condor]

yeah

[raw pecan]

but no more

[balmy condor]

its just not the dream anymore

[woven prairie]

I'd guess you have enough crit with potion of focused mind and crit stats

[balmy condor]

as a secondary stat

yeah

[woven prairie]

to make a severe or a crit proc worth less than themastery

[balmy condor]

during potion especially

[woven prairie]

yea

[balmy condor]

if you run bote

even more so

bote is weird cause it both makes crit less valuable and more valuable at the same time

but usually crit will be worse with bote

[woven prairie]

I need to luck out on the mechagon rings from chest

[balmy condor]

the chances on that

are kinda insane

[woven prairie]

gotta happen to someone lol

[balmy condor]

that mindset is how gambling addictions start

[woven prairie]

in it to win it

[fleet whale]

if you get even one of the rings from the weekly chest you should be very happy

[woven prairie]

I'm well aware lol

[fleet whale]

even still it's not like a huge difference between 2 465s vs 2 475s for those rings

[vast forum]

primary reason why mastery is not great on sims is because high sims use CLF and it doesn't scale with mastery

when i sim with bote + exsang, mastery turns out pretty good

so it's a bit of a balancing thing

[thin gate]

@vast forum have u tasted out mastery cap with BOE + aoe trinkets and master assassin + echoing blades yet?

or anyone else

does that work out for heavy cleave in M+

[last crown]

i assume yes, but if a pulls only going to last 3:30, hold vendetta and vanish2 for berserking and CLF, yes?

[vast forum]

master assassin ?

who the fuck would run MA with echoing blades?

or rather, who'd run MA in m+

yes @last crown

[raw pecan]

[thin gate]

guys

what about GCD atm?

@vast forum i thought bcs u can restealth so many times between trash packs

for free echoing blade procs

thought it may synergize with the BOE +25% crit boost

[vast forum]

you NEVER want to not run subterfuge in m+

ever

even in raids, it's better now for almost all situations

[thin gate]

aight

yo guys

may i ask something for blood build

like if i use Exsang

and my bleeding start to tick out

at how many seconds left do i refresh them

[tropic ocean]

u let them tick out with exsang

[thin gate]

i mean garrote should be like last second

[tropic ocean]

and refresh after

[thin gate]

so i have a downtime?

of like 1 sec

[tropic ocean]

?

no?

the moment it ticks out u refresh

[thin gate]

ok

fine

[tropic ocean]

rupture and garrote dont tick out at the same time

[thin gate]

and the other thing is

how many combo points for rupture

if no exsang

up

[tropic ocean]

with depper

5-6

deeper*

[thin gate]

and one more thing

when i have 6 combo points up

and my garrote is going to run out

while rupture still ticks

do i garrote rupture

or rupture garrote refresh

[tropic ocean]

you should preplan for that to not happen

[thin gate]

so like overcap 1 cp

[tropic ocean]

but you will rupture garrote in that case

[thin gate]

ok

[lime edge]

or

u just envenom

and then garrote

[thin gate]

and what about if i have a situation like 3 seconds rupture left

without exsang

but i get a downtime of eleborate

[balmy condor]

you would refresh in pandemic window

[lime edge]

yea

pandemic is roughly 5 seconds for both

[tropic ocean]

?

when u refresh ur rupture with 3 seconds left

u will just activate elaborate planning too

[balmy condor]

yeah

these are really just general rotational questions

that any beginner guide would explain

I suggest just reading those

[thin gate]

@tropic ocean thats what i mean

if i like have no time to do envenom rebuild 6 cp and rupture then

when is it worth to use the 6 cp on rupture

at what dot time left

[balmy condor]

in pandemic bro

[tropic ocean]

inside pandemic

[thin gate]

ok

[balmy condor]

seriously

read a guide

[tropic ocean]

you can get all your questions answered by basic rogue rotation guide tho

or youtube guide video

[balmy condor]

wowhead, icyveins, ravenholdt linked at top

youtube

they all explain these things

[thin gate]

ok

aight

ty guys

[lime edge]

download kui nameplates

[tropic ocean]

rogue really has not a lot of thinking

refresh inside pandemic

[lime edge]

its op

[tropic ocean]

dont overcap energy/cp

90% of things done

[lime edge]

super easy to track dots

[balmy condor]

plater tho

personal preference

[tropic ocean]

not using neatplates = inting

[lime edge]

hey hey idk dude

kui kinda op

[thin gate]

@tropic ocean thats what i do, but i thought theres maybe something i can do to increase my performance even a bit more

askin myself if everything is done right

[tropic ocean]

when playing rotation corret

[lime edge]

honestly

[tropic ocean]

correct most of your dmg gain will come from increasing boss uptime

[lime edge]

sin rotation is so damn easy

[tropic ocean]

multi dotting

kill time and gear

[thin gate]

idk im siming 81k dps atm and my best MM boss was with 79k dps atm

[cobalt pelican]

it's high iq ok

[lime edge]

MM?

[thin gate]

xanesh

Mythic mode

xanesh with 79.5k @ 81k sim

[jovial haven]

well. you can do some things inbetween exsang to try and minimize wasting CPs on ruptuyre refresh thats more than just pandemic

[lime edge]

isnt that good

lol

[balmy condor]

who the hell calls it MM

[lime edge]

xd

[thin gate]

thats what i mean shax

there must be something to get ahead

thats why i ask

[lime edge]

im saying its good

[thin gate]

i mean

idk

in legion i was more comfortable with the meta back then

[lime edge]

op

thats what kui nameplates does

[thin gate]

idk the legion opener was so much easier...

[balmy condor]

if you're in mythic doing 79.5 with an 81k sim

you really can't get much better

[thin gate]

ok @ whispyr

idk my logs still somehow crap

bcs idk

maybe ppl just outgear me hard atm

[balmy condor]

wdym your logs crap

[thin gate]

the rating

is crap

[balmy condor]

well duh

[thin gate]

well 81k sim isnt the best

ik ^^

im playing since 5 weeks now again

[balmy condor]

people are simming 100k and also padding and rng with stars and mind flays

parses are meaningless

[thin gate]

and idk

somehow

my dps @ wrathion sucks so hard

u guys got nay tips on wrathion mythic

how to get better logs there

[paper kelp]

how fast is your kill ?

[thin gate]

i lose so much bcs of the delay

@wrathion phases

[vital haven]

ok

[paper kelp]

the thing is most group get way faster kill

[vital haven]

my favorite fight

do vop minor blood major

[thin gate]

is it worth to pick up a M+ Build @ wrathion?

bcs of the pillar he spawns

for fake dps push

[vital haven]

that way you get 2 vendettas before the pillar phase

also the number one strat for wrathion

[thin gate]

Nairda

ur a brain

lol

[vital haven]

you stick to him when he summons the flame pillars

you dont move out

use pots hs, vial and cloak to stay alive

cloak before he explodes the pillars

and you should live

[thin gate]

aight

gotchu

and for skitra i have to logs by myself right

[vital haven]

but it is pretty risky

[thin gate]

bcs of the 2 "phases" of the raid

ow ppl track just like 80% of my dps

[vital haven]

skitra just log yourself ye

use cds appropiately

[thin gate]

ok and for hivemind Twilight + BOTE or just high crit echoing blades?

with multi dot

[vital haven]

both are fine

hivemind is just how many fire mages do you have in your comp

the less you have the higher your dps will be lmao

[thin gate]

so get rid of them

master poisoner with masterful isnt a thing i guess

[surreal solar]

cant get high enough for it really

[thin gate]

mastery got scaled down compared to 7.1-7.3.5

in legion i had somehow 300-400% mastery

and now i play around 40-50%

[vital haven]

in general builds for fights you can either use wclogs or https://nyalotha.subcreation.net/

[balmy condor]

they changed how mastery worked

so

yes

[vital haven]

this will tell you the top builds for thje every fight

but again for hivemind the play from what ive seen is to blood when the little adds appear and fan of knives with echoing blades

cant really do that with multiple fire mages though

[thin gate]

ok

so

is expedient 3 still the best to stack

overall

for progress i guess yes or

[vital haven]

look at the pins

there is an expedient guide now

[thin gate]

FCK

i hate my life

i cleansed honed Mind 3 on my haste mastery 475 belt from xanesh

[real solar]

yo dawg

Read some pins

[lime edge]

anyone down to help me sim exsang

I NEED A WAY TO SIM HIGHER DPS WITH EXSANG

reee

[real solar]

Are you still crit heavy

like a few days ago

[lime edge]

37%

honestly, its mainly my rings

since those are the pieces with most stats

[real solar]

Send a top gear

[lime edge]

this ring is fucking me over

[thin gate]

aight guys

ima head out

good night

[lime edge]

pce

one sec

u get all my sim info when i topgear, right?

like the copy/paste text

[real solar]

yessir

[sweet rampart]

....i think my sim broke...i did a top gear that put my dps 8k higher, then now i can't get that top gear to repeat itself again...does that happen sometimes?

[lime edge]

almost done

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4ff9iWSe6DdKM3tLSrab8S

there

[drifting cloud]

if you have an account on raidbots you can see your sim history top right

[lime edge]

yep

watchout, enchant replacement is selected

[lean wing]

should i still roll with my razor coral 435 ? recently back again to WoW

[balmy condor]

sim it

razor coral is still good though

[lime edge]

^

and if u just got back, its probably gonna be good for u

[real solar]

@lime edge 39 max corruption?

[lime edge]

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