assassination

[royal lantern]

ye, but only for shadar, and sharad is not really a hard fight you should waste corruption slots on

[cobalt pelican]

it's really not great on shadhar at this point tbh

[north zinc]

if u stack % and another rogue with is procs well

he will log more than u

[cobalt pelican]

it's like a 3 minute fight

[royal lantern]

WOW

[north zinc]

xanesh

shadar

[royal lantern]

HE WILL LOG MORE WITH LUCK

thats a bad take on everything lol

[north zinc]

well i wnt consider it that luck

ive tried is and there is no try

where it does nothing

[royal lantern]

so i should just go full crit on every single gear piece then, because if im lucky with crits i will log more?

[north zinc]

mate u need to understand what im saying, on pure st

IS is strong

stronger than % when other stuff interfer

is goes down in value

thats it

its not hard

[royal lantern]

1st of all: logs are close too worthless this tier because of stuff like IS/TA, that cheese the top logs simply because of lucky procs

[primal turret]

IS is (was?) strong in long fight with only 1 targeteable enemy

[north zinc]

yep

[royal lantern]

and 2nd, no, is is mediocre at best

[north zinc]

only in those type of fights

[scarlet sequoia]

on shadhar u need insane rng to make IS worth anything considering its a 3 min fight

[royal lantern]

^^^^^^

[primal turret]

Wich are maut (even tho the interphase may kill you) and the dog

[north zinc]

xanesh also

[royal lantern]

even on the best fight this raidtier IS is pure rng too even do meaningfull dmg

[primal turret]

both fights are super short now and i think it doesn't worth it

[slow tulip]

its basically good for 2 bosses, maybe 3 if lucky

[north zinc]

yep

[scarlet sequoia]

idk xanesh has adds and is also a 3-4 min fight

[slow tulip]

for the relevant ones

its ppure garbage

[north zinc]

only good for those

[scarlet sequoia]

IS is just shit in general sorry to say

[dark crag]

Embrace the tentacles

[scarlet sequoia]

unless u play IS on top of every stat % u have i wouldnt run it

[primal turret]

IS is nice to se beautifull number in your simulation

[royal lantern]

why would i waste corruptions because "MAYBE im really lucky and do a bit more dmg on 1 pull" instead of "i do great dmg all the time"

[north zinc]

on st fights ur not wasting thats the idea

on other fights u dnt play it

as simple as that

[royal lantern]

there are no real st fights this tier

except shadar

[north zinc]

it does well on couple of bosses only

the rest no

[fickle herald]

Anyone know how bis set looks for sin ST?

[scarlet sequoia]

it just doesnt do very well tho

[royal lantern]

and shadar is 3min (wich takes a shitton of value out of IS)

[scarlet sequoia]

the fight where it did do well is now too short to get real value unless u are lucky

[north zinc]

yep rng

this is a fiesta of patch so

[scarlet sequoia]

so why would u play it when u can just play 0 rng corruptions

and do just as good

[north zinc]

because u need to have them and farm them

and it depends if u only raid

like if u do m+ and pvp

u have so much to go after

[royal lantern]

why would somone chose "i have a 2%chance too do 100%more dmg" over "i always do 85% more dmg"?

[north zinc]

if u like to play all aspects of the game

and u have an alternative for 1

[scarlet sequoia]

then IS is still shit

[north zinc]

it might be good

[scarlet sequoia]

i play all aspects of the game and in no aspect is IS any good

[royal lantern]

IS is unusable in pvp and m+

[north zinc]

ofc not

[royal lantern]

in pvp it gets dispelled, in m+ it wont stack at all

[north zinc]

ofc not

in m+ expedient is not good

same for pvp

u need versa % for pvp

u need crit % for m+

and haste % is good for raiding

[royal lantern]

in raid its bad because you always have other targets in 11 1/2 out of the 12 bosses AND that 1 boss is a pushover

[north zinc]

so its either u can farm all of those

or look for alternatives

this is where is comes for some bosses to loosen up ur farm

if u want to do all of those.

if you are commited for 1 aspect its way easier

[bold orchid]

Tbh I ran r6 exped and r2 TD in a dungeon last night and it was insane

[north zinc]

which level snappy

[bold orchid]

18 FH

[crimson palm]

your average guild doesnt have a 3 min shad'har kill time

[north zinc]

its a bit low level though

[bold orchid]

Ahhh we’re talking bout the big boi keys

Fair enough

[north zinc]

assasin scales at high keys yes

but what im saying if you do have a plethora of corruptions u can switch in between than fair enough

but if ur limited to some, and have alternatives u can toggle in between to keep balance between all aspects of them

[cobalt pelican]

my guild is pretty average and killed it in like 3:22 or smth last week before vendor, don't think it's unrealistic to cut 20 seconds either this reset or next

[crimson palm]

you're in top 1000 right?

because that's not average

😄

[cobalt pelican]

sure it is, depends on your reference point

[boreal maple]

2:46 kill time

[cobalt pelican]

speed kills don't count

smh

[north zinc]

hahahah but yeah no general rule here

[crimson palm]

keep in mind that most people asking a question about IS won't be in a CE guild

[north zinc]

yep

[crimson palm]

i'd say average is like 5-6 bosses

[cobalt pelican]

uh

average of what

[primal turret]

If you wanna keep IS corrupted items for a fight wich you are going to do once a week fine, but that doesn't turn IS in a good corruption

[cobalt pelican]

all players who touched mythic?

or raiding guilds?

[tropic ocean]

@north zinc for pvp pretty sure u use still gushing or tents

[crimson palm]

yeah

all players who touch mythic

[north zinc]

im using gushing tent

but as soon as vers % is up

im stacking them all

[tropic ocean]

but why

[swift timber]

it's better

[north zinc]

because as rogue all u need is vers

so u dnt get 1 shotted by meta classes

like warlock for example

[swift timber]

1 tentacle is nice just so they have to kill it

[north zinc]

on high rating it wnt cast

so yeah if u do like pvp and want to push gladiator u need vers % alot of them

so thats farming

[swift timber]

people use tentacle in 3k cr

[north zinc]

if u like m+ and push high rio score u need crit % and alot of them

[swift timber]

it's not terrible

[north zinc]

its not terrible

but they dnt have access

to vers % ytet

yet

im full haste versa gear with sockets

and yet im sitting at 22% vers

compared to 3k rogues playing with 25 26

im not saying its terrible

[swift timber]

y whazz is 28% with tentacle too

[north zinc]

but when u get the choice to stack

vers %

u will do it

its not like they had corruption vendor giving them vers and they didnt go for it

[crimson palm]

#pvp

[north zinc]

now it will be a tank fiesta:p

[tropic ocean]

I also don't think you will use a lot of crit % corruption for m+

[north zinc]

im sitting at around 2.3 cr now

[tropic ocean]

maybe 2 or 3

[north zinc]

1 gushing wound

only

[swift timber]

just have to check vods on friday

see what they run

[tropic ocean]

can imagine you only want as much crit in combat to proc 5 eb of every fok

[north zinc]

and im not pushing

[tropic ocean]

and then stack vers

[north zinc]

at all

[tropic ocean]

or crit %dmg

[north zinc]

yes

i play 49% crit

in m+ fortified setting

[tropic ocean]

so 2 or maybe 3 12% crit depending on gear

and u should have more than enough crit

im already at 70%+ in combat with 0 crit corruptions

[north zinc]

yes 2 is fine

but the way it scales on higher keys is what im talking abt

i dnt like sin on low keys

they cant live up to their potential

[swift timber]

y everything dies too fast

[north zinc]

especially vs outlaw spec

im at 3555 rop

rio

[tropic ocean]

dont have any issue in any key-tier

[north zinc]

i dnt get invited to most 22 coz im assasin

[tropic ocean]

usually doing more overall in lowers compared to 21s

[north zinc]

when invited they are like ehmm didnt know assasin can silence...

[tropic ocean]

well details dmg, not wcl

[north zinc]

if u dnt have a team , no one knows the potential of assasin in m+ but now

with corruption vendor it will change

because we will target bis aoe corruptions

[tropic ocean]

idk

[north zinc]

and shine

[tropic ocean]

outlaw will still be superior for high keys

and the people that decline you cause of spec

you don't want to play with them anyway

so its not a loss

[north zinc]

well u cant blame them for wanting meta run

[tropic ocean]

yeah you can

its a bad mindset

exp>all

[slow tulip]

depends on the level really

cuz assa can deliver pretty good up to 22

[upper elm]

I was playing sub rogue for 3 years and switched to assa 2 months ago because of people wanting meta run

[slow tulip]

but if you really wanna push without a team

[tropic ocean]

can deliver pretty good up to any key level

[slow tulip]

outlaw is the way for 22+

[upper elm]

they're inspecting you, seeing subtlety and kicking from the group, your io doesn't matter

[tropic ocean]

yeah but you should not worry about it

you don't want to play with these ppl anyway

you're not playing 25s 26s

where you actually need the stuff to survive

[lone charm]

All these different builds for rogue to be able to run mythics raids and PvP

[tropic ocean]

always want to bring the player rather than the class

[lone charm]

Might aswell just roll a arm warrior

Hahaha

[cobalt pelican]

generally the cap on crit% is target related rather than 100% crit related

it'll be pretty good

[lone charm]

Can a full haste build do mythic 15s??

[tropic ocean]

u can do 15s with whatever the fuck you want

[swift timber]

sure

[tropic ocean]

it wont be optimal

thats all

[slow tulip]

yes

[lone charm]

Just going to work on my raiding guild and do 15s for extra echo and gear

[slow tulip]

cant blame ppl for wanting the best/meta spec

[lone charm]

Build

[tropic ocean]

in current affix and with so many super aoe classes with raid build u probably even help ur group in 15

and even without echoing 3 ss 3 hod is super potent as well

and has high st

[slow tulip]

its ok

[lone charm]

So with haste build in raids you want triple ss

[tropic ocean]

its way more than ok

[lone charm]

And what is the 2nd u want?

[frigid briar]

mastery

[slow tulip]

just dont have priority dmg like outlaw and can't chain pull cuz the garrote buff

[frigid briar]

but you need crit aswell

[tropic ocean]

???

what

[crimson palm]

outlaw priority damage

[tropic ocean]

1. idk where these things always originate from but proper chainpulling is NOT bad for assassin

2. no outlaw in the world will compete prio dmg to 3 ss +exsang

[slow tulip]

3 ss is not pri dmg tho

[tropic ocean]

???????????????

[slow tulip]

its 3 targets

[swift timber]

wat

[tropic ocean]

are u trolling

[slow tulip]

pri dmg is ONE target

no

[tropic ocean]

yeah

[lone charm]

When should you talent into exsang

[tropic ocean]

and u can use ss on one target

[strange python]

[crimson palm]

[strange python]

3 ss traits on azerite

[tropic ocean]

i outdps firemage combust on zul in kr 21

lol

[lone charm]

When it starts to sim higher

???

[slow tulip]

its not the dps that matters tho

[tropic ocean]

it is

[sturdy mesa]

[swift timber]

[slow tulip]

yes

[tropic ocean]

idk what you're trying to say

[slow tulip]

for 15s prolly not

[tropic ocean]

but theres not much higher prio in the game than exsang with 3 ss

[swift timber]

people use ss exsang in raid but it's bad for prio

[slow tulip]

im saying that high m+ rogues playy outlaw cuz the prio dmg, chainpulling and aoe stun

[tropic ocean]

they play outlaw

cuz control

[slow tulip]

assa have prio dmg on CD

[tropic ocean]

not prio dmg

[lone charm]

I have x3 but when I run exsang my dmg goes down

[slow tulip]

its a lot of things not only 1

that outlaw does better

[strange python]

why would you bring an outlaw if not for control, over a havoc or bm

[slow tulip]

im playing assa tho, dont like the outlaw rng rolls

[tropic ocean]

cuz outlaw has better control

than both of them

nevertheless

[slow tulip]

not playing high keys tho im like 3350 rio

midd to low tier m+ player

[tropic ocean]

if you think outlaw has better prio than sin

you need to watch some youtube videos about both the specs

[frigid briar]

Outlaw is played because it does more AoE with doing ST to one target. Assass does more ST priority while AoE's

[tropic ocean]

or streams

[slow tulip]

im watching men

[tropic ocean]

watch more

[strange python]

watch women

[slow tulip]

watching musclebrah whos like 2 tiems MDI champ andmulty rank 1

[cobalt pelican]

it really depends on what kind of scenario you're talking about

[crimson palm]

watch transgender

[tropic ocean]

well

that explains your logic

[slow tulip]

he's saying exactly the same

[scarlet sequoia]

u have to be trolling

LOL

[strange python]

pack it up its over

[tropic ocean]

might want to watch some other outlaw

[boreal maple]

the brah!

[strange python]

he revealed himself

[swift timber]

musclebrah the guy doing rmt boosting on stream

[slow tulip]

if multy rank 1 and MDI winner does not know what he's talking about

donno man 😄

[tropic ocean]

well

not sure what to say

😄

[lone charm]

I just want to know my exsang drops my dps with 3 SS and 2 haste corruptions

[tropic ocean]

but theres a reason noone wants to play with him at high rio

🙂

[lone charm]

Pulse r3 and exp r3

[odd heath]

musclebrah

[scarlet sequoia]

ure listening to this guy

https://imgur.com/8g76FHY

ask urself if thats a good idea

[slow tulip]

he's an entertaining streamer now 😄

doing 15s only kekw

[swift timber]

so why would you listen to him

[frigid briar]

wasnt there a meme on that dude because he didnt know how rogue mechanics worked in a guide he made?

[slow tulip]

dancing more than playing 😄

[tropic ocean]

still what you said about outlaw is just wrong

[slow tulip]

well that your opinion mate

[lone charm]

I love outlaw but I hate roll the bones and I bet all other outlaw rogues do

[tropic ocean]

its not an opinion

[cobalt pelican]

rtb kinda nice

[slow tulip]

well who are you quoting on that

[tropic ocean]

outlaw does not have more prio than assassination

[cobalt pelican]

without rtb outlaw is the most boring spec in wow i think

[tropic ocean]

idk? raidbots?

warcraftlogs?

[lone charm]

A rogue that says he like A roll the bones should play a demon hunter

[cobalt pelican]

outlaw prio damage is pretty good if you're talking elongated pull with wits targets

[slow tulip]

raidbots ...

try some MDI players maybe

[red bloom]

hmmm never knew outlaw had an aoe stun either...

[tropic ocean]

so

an mdi players opinion

is superior to maths?

[slow tulip]

yes

[tropic ocean]

:^)

ok cool

[swift timber]

why isn't outlaw played on single target fights in raids

if it has more prio dmg

[tropic ocean]

good discussion

[swift timber]

[lone charm]

Top 10 mythic + highest keys are done my outlaw enough said

By*

[tropic ocean]

how does that

[slow tulip]

indeen

[tropic ocean]

influence this argument

in any way

[slow tulip]

cuz all of theese players are saying exactly teh same

[lone charm]

Well outlaw is in top 10 of all keys ever done

[tropic ocean]

r1 tank is brewmaster

brewmaster = best tank

confirmed

[red bloom]

hey guys, I hear fire mages use frost spells too

[lone charm]

All 10 keys outlaw every group nearly

Must be a reason

[tropic ocean]

yes and why you think outlaw is brought tho these keys?

[slow tulip]

well if the best players are saying the same thing i guess it kinda means smt

donno

cuz a lot of reasons

[tropic ocean]

which of the best players is asying outlaw has more prio than assassination?

[red bloom]

who are these best players?

[tropic ocean]

noone, cuz they dont

🤷

[slow tulip]

one of them being CC, chainpulling, prio dmg

[primal turret]

Outlaw being best for m+ doesn't mean that outlaw have more prio damage

[crimson palm]

only reason ppl bring outlaw is to chain cc a single target alone

[tropic ocean]

you bring outlaw

[primal turret]

Assassination have much more prio damage, but you sacrificate aoe damage

[tropic ocean]

cause u need the control

[lone charm]

Not prio dmg but anyway it's all about the build people make

[tropic ocean]

mainly

[lone charm]

Haha

[slow tulip]

i can agree on that ausr

[tropic ocean]

outlaw cant compete in prio dmg to assassination

no matter how good the player is

[red bloom]

I play outlaw for my aoe stun

[tropic ocean]

cuz the class just doesnt have as much prio

[slow tulip]

assa prio is CD dependant mate

[tropic ocean]

?????????????????

[lone charm]

True not sure why wow meta Sims higher tho

[slow tulip]

its better WHEN you have the CD for it

and on the next pull

[tropic ocean]

no shit

[slow tulip]

prio is gone

😄

[tropic ocean]

what

[slow tulip]

outlaw has is ALL the time

[tropic ocean]

🤡

[crimson palm]

[tropic ocean]

stop listening to musclebrah

watch seli stream

and lekträh stream

[lone charm]

Throw the outlaw sim in here and the assa

[tropic ocean]

so u can understand

and sin prio is on a 45s cd

btw

[slow tulip]

can you also link me your RIO pls

[lucid radish]

Hi guys, just checked the ravenholdt guide and it lists only two minor essences: Lucid dreams and Focusing Iris, what is the last minor essence people usually use? Breath?

[tropic ocean]

how does my rio matter?

[lone charm]

Breath or blood I think mate

[slow tulip]

i dont know

[tropic ocean]

so if someone with 5k rio tells something its mathematically more accurate than if someone tells the same with 2k rio

[lone charm]

Or if not rank 3 I use crucible flame

[slow tulip]

maybe it does maybe it doesnt

[tropic ocean]

:^)

[slow tulip]

if its like sub 2K

i dont know

[tropic ocean]

thats not how you build arguments though

[crimson palm]

i really hope that you're trolling

[swift timber]

sebek is 5.4k rio outlaw and plays assa in kings rest why would he do that if outlaw has more dmg

[quasi pewter]

[swift timber]

[tropic ocean]

it doesnt matter if u have 1k 2k 10k rio

that sin has more prio dmg than outlaw

🤷

[slow tulip]

i said my argument im an average player of 3350 RIO, i play both specs and im quoting and MDI winner

what you are saying is your opinion

[tropic ocean]

and the mdi winner you quote

is bad

[swift timber]

your argument is your opinion his argument is facts

[slow tulip]

ok

[honest basin]

Is there a haste limit with the exsang build ? I mean with maaaany expedients haste doesn't sim like the best stat, and a crazy amount is already enough to spam spells. Do we still just go as high as possible ?

[tropic ocean]

what im saying

is simple maths

[slow tulip]

give me your sources and RIO then

[tropic ocean]

and raidbots can prove it to you

and if you dont trust raidbots

[slow tulip]

im open to check it

[tropic ocean]

check wcl

[quasi pewter]

wait who is quoting who

[tropic ocean]

miserere is quoting musclebrah

obviously outlaw has more prio dmg than sin

🤷

[slow tulip]

give me again the streamers you said pls

[quasi pewter]

i mean dude he is rank 1 mario kart

wdym

[slow tulip]

i want to watch them if they are good

thx in advance

[lone charm]

Drop it and answer the people's questions

[red bloom]

im 10k rio outlaw and sin prio dmg slaps mine REE

[lone charm]

I think with exsang build mate you go as high as possible

[swift timber]

If you don't know good assa players how can you even know if outlaw does more prio dmg?XD

[lone charm]

I heard people running 7 slots of exp

Is this true and works in raids??

[tropic ocean]

I just cant understand how you counter maths with musclebrah said it

[red bloom]

not even maths, its literally how the specs are designed

[tropic ocean]

noone will deny outlaw is overall the better spec for m+ and therefore is played in the highest of keys

but saying outlaw prio is > sin prio is just wrong

no matter what musclebrah tells u

[lone charm]

Is blood of the enemy even at rank 2 best minior????

[tropic ocean]

no

u dont use it as minor at all

and u use it as major only with r3

unless you dont have any other essences obviously

[lone charm]

In raid?

[tropic ocean]

yes

in raid in m+

[cobalt pelican]

the minor is pretty hot in raid

[lone charm]

Okay sweet

[crimson palm]

minor started outsimming conflict, at least for me xD

[tropic ocean]

but you have gear

😄

[crimson palm]

but it's more rng than conflict so fuck it

[lone charm]

So blood major and breath minor

[tropic ocean]

yes

[slow tulip]

ausc can you pls give me those streamers name to watch them tonight

thank you

[tropic ocean]

https://www.twitch.tv/seliathan

here u can learn all about assassination

and also good explanations rather than white knighting own spec

[slow tulip]

thx man, will check it

[mint valve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gFHTfKRKvm8Zk6ZkB8EgBu

when i change my sockets/enchants to haste, and add expedients. my damage does not change much.. maybe... 3k ish? can anyone tell me whats wrong with my gear?

[tropic ocean]

and for musclebrah just dont watch him to actually learn keys/outlaw, theres a lot more outlaw streamers that play at a high level where you can learn from with current exp and not being carried in mdi 10 years ago ( some of them are here in discord so you can also just talk to them to get infos /opinions you want)

[worldly fable]

Versatile+Deadly nav are generally not the best enchants, but sim it again using topgear

Also sim with Sutberfuge

[slow tulip]

im watching him only for the dance content 😄

but ye will be int to watch an assa rogue

i surely do some mistakes playing it

[normal sphinx]

Ryfie has the best sin discord. Grest explanations for mythic plus as it's dedicated to it.
Basics, 45%CRIT, 6 to 15% vers and ss+eb for fort weeks.

Lots more to it for keys but it's a very good spec with some key differences.

[vestal wren]

muscle is a good entertainer

[lone charm]

I got a question if i am running x3 SS do i wanne drop eng helm?

[scarlet sequoia]

ye cus engi helm doesnt have ss

[vestal wren]

idk about the white knight statement, i would not talk about white knighting when talking about spec preference

[lone charm]

And i will see dps gain soon as i swap it out?

[scarlet sequoia]

sim it

[lone charm]

because it does give haste buff

[normal sphinx]

Doe mythic plus, yes you will

It's all about the rotation. Haste is really bad for m+

[tropic ocean]

@vestal wren well I meant it somewhat like theres few people that will defend their spec no matter what

instead of trying to see it objectively which spec has what advantages

and disadvantages

[lone charm]

Yeah i have joined to late to be focusing on two gear builds, Can you let me know if my idea is good

I wanne go raid haste build with 1 Gushing

[normal sphinx]

Yeah there are key downsides to both specs

[lone charm]

So it helps in mythic

i am only looking to do 15s btw

so like 3 Exp and 1 gushing

[vestal wren]

i think a lot of #assassination is white knighting if this is your definition of it (including seli)

[normal sphinx]

For raiding, haste is good up to about 30% then crit and vers take over

[tropic ocean]

definetely theres a lot of white knighting in every class discord and spec channel

sadly

[normal sphinx]

Haste if exsanginate, if not normal build favors CRIT

[lone charm]

I am 22% haste and exsang drops my dps by 4k

xD

[tropic ocean]

for me its simple, I know outlaw is superior for m+ but I don't like to play it so I don't but theres no point to argue against it 🤷

just like theres no point to argue against maths

[storm perch]

exs should be used with t6+ exp

[normal sphinx]

You need a lot of gear for exsanginate. I'll send you what I run for mythic

[storm perch]

and only if rbot said it

[normal sphinx]

Top Gear - Rogued - 91,583 DPS - Raidbots

[lone charm]

Do u wanne be stacking haste on every item along with haste corruption?

[tropic ocean]

u want to stack whatever raidbot tells you is your best

e.g. even with many expedients crit is better for me than haste

atm

[normal sphinx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i1gpmcuPaTQ17vZXAwkyDz

Sorry link didn't copy

[tropic ocean]

there will be a point where even when 1 point haste gives you 1.6 haste due to expedient or 1.8 even that 1 point crit/vers/mastery will be > 1.8 haste

for example

[normal sphinx]

Also, assination is great in keys, damage wise it performs extremely well. You lose out on built in stun and your control being an interrupt. It also takes slightly longer to build aoe damage. Outlaw bursts much harder

Overall damage, I'm equal to outlaw rogues I've run with :) around 2k players (I'm 3270 sin). Both specs are viable but control is amazing on outlaw so it seems the play time.

[tropic ocean]

should just not rocket science everything

its a game thats supposed to be fun

and noone of people asking here is at any point in the game where it would actually matter

[normal sphinx]

Lol yeah and roll the bones isn't fun

That ability needs trashing 😀

[tropic ocean]

ppl hurting their brains over sim and stuff that will change their dps in reality by maybe 50 points or 100

[lone charm]

It's nice to have understanding about the class from othe people

that's what this discord is for you plebs

[tropic ocean]

before using exsang build i always played master assassin cuz i didnt like dd build with subterfuge

dps difference 300

who cares

it wont make or break a kill or a log

[slow tulip]

hey i once did a full socket compare in raidbot premium, toook 2 hours and a half and i gained 5 DPS

POG

[tropic ocean]

same with m+ why would I play something I dont like

just to push some number on a website some more

[lone charm]

Who cares what you like mate

[tropic ocean]

🤷

[lone charm]

play what u want

[normal sphinx]

Lol sizzle happy to help if you need it

[tropic ocean]

so if ppl dont invite me to 22s or 23s with assassination who cares

i'll play the keys they invite me to

[lone charm]

in my eyes if you do over 15s there is no point, unless you wanne go for Ego

[tropic ocean]

well I just like to see how far I can go

[normal sphinx]

How far have you gone?

[lone charm]

Yeah but it leads to an hour arguement

^^

[tropic ocean]

21s/22s

[lone charm]

about who is better and knows more about classes

[tropic ocean]

the difference between 20s and 22s is gigantic

[normal sphinx]

It is, so your 3k? 3.2k?

[tropic ocean]

cuz from my exp in 22s it will be instantly visible if u int or not

3.4k yeah

due to most things 1 shotting u

while u can live it in 20s or 21s

[lone charm]

rock x3 IS in mythic and win everything

[normal sphinx]

Not that simple sadly

[lone charm]

sim tells me it's best

so :/

[normal sphinx]

IS is only good if there's 1 target

If it's a fight with 2 it loses value

[tropic ocean]

yeah but a sim also needs to be interpreted

and what you need to consider for is

is is a proc trait

with haste

so it can proc 100times in 1min

it can proc 10 times in 1min

[lone charm]

nah no need for that at this skill level just go by sims

[tropic ocean]

nope

you fail to interpret your sim

a sim does idk what

1million fights?

and shows u the avg

of it

[normal sphinx]

Mind flay is the best trait for most bosses. IS is good on about 3 or 4 raid bosses

[tropic ocean]

so u can open ur sim

and see iterations

high/low

[real bay]

sim

[tropic ocean]

IS is not a consistent corruption just like mindflay

[lone charm]

Do i have to keep simming every gear or is there an addon that will just show me the dps gain ?

because sick of logging out and in

[tropic ocean]

?

u dont need to log out and in

install simc addon

[brazen garden]

you dont have to log out

[normal sphinx]

Top gear is your answer.

[tropic ocean]

type /simc ingame

[brazen garden]

get simc and type /simc

[tropic ocean]

and copy the text to raidbots

[young vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w3QUBcsNFrbrdsXLD2HmGo what would be an upgrade for that shit? severe III?

[tropic ocean]

and there u can change all ur gear enchants gems etc

[lone charm]

Its called simc?

[young vessel]

simulationcraft

[normal sphinx]

Ausr, with 22s, they are a big jump haha. We failed our wm by 1.5 min due to oceanic servers lagging out. Was just enough to cause wipe on second last chance. Too close for little issues

[tropic ocean]

yeah 22 was biggest jump for me to

[wicked comet]

if i had to pick a corruption thats not terrible for pvp and m+ am i going gw?

[tropic ocean]

figured in fh e.g. even in fortified if I dont los behind fence

[lone charm]

so i put the gear on then simc and take code to raidbots and if i wanne change out gear sim c again?

[tropic ocean]

I just die from shot

[lone charm]

and take to raidbots aain

[young vessel]

y

or use top gear bookmark

where u put the simc input

and u can choose items from your bag

[normal sphinx]

I wish I had a fh last week

Or a 22 jy

[young vessel]

and it will be slightly longer sim but will show u best output out of things that u want to compare

[normal sphinx]

Wm have been timed though

[tropic ocean]

yeah I shouldve played more definetely

[normal sphinx]

@young vessel sim with eexsanguinate. Also mf or severe is your next best bet

[tropic ocean]

but this week will come again and with new corruptions might be able to push some more

[normal sphinx]

CRIT is very good for raid specs.

Yeah will get some good io next week

[slow tulip]

do you think they' ll nerf all those stat amps like the GW soon 😄

[normal sphinx]

AD is my weakest because no one can do it. Sigh

[slow tulip]

thinks can spike really fast

[dense blaze]

Anyone else have a 475 bit band they cannot corrupt

[slow tulip]

from my experience KR is harder for ppl 😄

[normal sphinx]

Nerf stats? Nah they will nerf class abilities thst scale with it

[slow tulip]

yes i have 475 with a socket and cant corrupts it...

[normal sphinx]

AD timer is super tight. So small errors screw you up bad

KR was actually good last week lol

[slow tulip]

hunters and mages will scale really hard with those stats

ive seem some ST sims of BMs for like 135K

or so...

[normal sphinx]

Hunters are already scaling nuts haha

Rogues are b tier for dps in raids atm lol but still good enough

[brazen garden]

i think warriors are getting like 130-140k sims too

[normal sphinx]

Wow haha

[slow tulip]

imagine the mage ignite in m+ or burst ST 😄

INSANE

[normal sphinx]

Have any cool 130k builds come for raid rogues?

[civic hatch]

Why we so gimped compared to other classes

[slow tulip]

highest ive seen for assa was like 111K 😄

[young vessel]

can someone explain garrote build in single target? was doing some raid boss yesterday with rogue, he did 122k dps and i did 112k on this build

he was playing garrote

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w3QUBcsNFrbrdsXLD2HmGo

it was this guy

https://raider.io/characters/eu/blackmoore/Kekwrogue

[normal sphinx]

Exsanguinate talent

He has a haste, fast bleed build

[young vessel]

but its like doing burst shit with blood of enemy vanish and garrote instead of envenoms?

[primal turret]

your burst comes from exsanguinate instead of crit envenoms

[civic hatch]

How many expedients ppl farming before reset? Managed 2 but don’t know if I can get 3

[worldly sandal]

ill probably get one more to put me at two

[scarlet sequoia]

6

[worldly sandal]

but i made a hunter on another account that im focusing on rn

[plain thistle]

2 so far, planning on buying one more

[civic hatch]

I could dump vessels to get it but would rather hold

[tropic ocean]

make you decision by what you want

if you still progress in raid might want to buy expedient

if you already cleared and want to focus on m+ dont

[normal sphinx]

Why is everyone going do expedients atm?

[tropic ocean]

because its the best corruption to get

with exsang build

[normal sphinx]

Yeah with exs but is that the current top raid build?

[tropic ocean]

if you are decently geared

yeah

its strong in st but also strong in cleave so you dont need to change anything

[normal sphinx]

I only ever see it dotted through logs

[tropic ocean]

and for stuff like nzoth its insane to put super high dmg into the short boss dps phases

(or to massively pad on psychus) 😄

[normal sphinx]

Interesting. I already have r6 exp lrts sim tomorrow

[worldly sandal]

so, how do yall with the exsang build play hivemind/vexiona? just change azerite gear but leave yourself gemmed/enchanted for haste?

[tropic ocean]

for vexiona just play normal st build

[normal sphinx]

Vex I go full mythic plus build

[tropic ocean]

for hivemind I just play my m+ set

with 3 echoing and crit/vers

😄

[normal sphinx]

3xss and 3xeb

[tropic ocean]

for vexiona would not recommend for 3 ss 3 eb unless u desperately need aoe

way more beneficial to push dmg

on boss

[normal sphinx]

Vex finished 99 parse because ads have to die. Unless you do beam method

[worldly sandal]

i run 2 SS, 2 EB, and 2 NP on vex

and hive

[normal sphinx]

Which we didn't because fire mage haha

[tropic ocean]

yeah so

[worldly sandal]

because its all ive got

[tropic ocean]

no point to play 3 ss 3 eb

unless you want to pad log

[worldly sandal]

but it works fairly well

[tropic ocean]

your 3 eb traits will be useless in p2

and the faster u push on boss dmg the better

[normal sphinx]

Still needed the damage :)

[tropic ocean]

as you can skip him from flying up again e.g.

[jaunty salmon]

Hey is that normal sometimes i get paried even if i hit the boss in the back ?

[tropic ocean]

generally in most fights as assassination rogue you want to focus on boss/prio dmg

almost every class will cleave better than you without sacrificing st for it

[worldly sandal]

my understanding is that assa AoE scales better with crit, but i want to stack haste now. I was just curious how much of a performance loss id have in AoE for a negligible gain in ST

[tropic ocean]

in m+ dont really care about st

in raid you can just switch azerite/talents and be fine

you pretty much only do it for hivemind anyway, and even there not necessarily

[lone charm]

hate this expansion, how my 410 ring does 5k more dps than my 460 :/

makes me sick

[civic hatch]

Yup

[worldly sandal]

my warlock has 410 WQ pants with TD3

ive never actually used them out of spite

[lone charm]

Hahaaha

r3 pulse i got on 410 ring

[normal sphinx]

Is exp the only big build so far for rogues? No other theory crafting?

[scarlet sequoia]

siphoner is good too

[tropic ocean]

afaik dd build with azerite from nzoth is good as well but even there expedient is very strong?

[crimson palm]

the new meta is to stack siphoner corruption on entire raid and kick healers

[tropic ocean]

dunno, dont wanna switch as exsang build is more fun imo and never need to switch between bosses

😄

[normal sphinx]

Interesting. Trying to work out what I need to buy outside of a TD haha

[tropic ocean]

as assa rogue u dont need td at all

😛

[slow tulip]

4 expedients is a safe bet 😄

[normal sphinx]

I haven't yet, but I want one to play with

[tropic ocean]

its way too inconsistent

due to not naturally built in haste like dh/fury

[normal sphinx]

Yeah, but fun in 15s

[tropic ocean]

for m+ best/safest bet will be crit, strikethrough

[normal sphinx]

Oh my mythic plus build is fine. I'm not far behind you haha

But I've not seen a TD this expansion on my rogue

[tropic ocean]

good for you

its terrible

😄

[normal sphinx]

😄😄😆

[tropic ocean]

I played 18+12% in pushweek and

[slow tulip]

its good when the twilight beam goes BRRRR

[tropic ocean]

it varied from 10-30% overall

[slow tulip]

but other than that...

[tropic ocean]

and sometimes it was very scary as well

when beam procced and refreshed stacks

from 5 to 7

😄

[lone charm]

Can i ask i am working on doing heroic should i just be corrupting my gear to clear heroic with guild or saving them for BIS gear?

I got items without best stats, not sure if i should just throw exp on them

[tropic ocean]

depends on how good your guild is

[normal sphinx]

For tyrannical I run MF. But heavy crit for fort. So still looking for 1 haha

[tropic ocean]

ut most likely you should save

[normal sphinx]

Save imo

[tropic ocean]

think you can just run same build for fortified/tyran

and just change azerite

like

in tos/kr/siege/ws i run 3 ss 3 hod/3ss/bbi/2hod anyway

[normal sphinx]

Yeah I do for now but I've already tested a lot

[tropic ocean]

for atal would probably drop eb as well

in tyran

[slow tulip]

all eb's or

just 1-2 ?

[tropic ocean]

not many big pulls and most packs are just insane for ss hod cleave

[normal sphinx]

Interesting on dropping altogether

[tropic ocean]

like last atal I did

I finished with 87k? or so overall

with 3 ss 3 hod

[normal sphinx]

Lol

[tropic ocean]

not sure i'll do much more with ebs

[normal sphinx]

I run 3xeb and 3xss and finish at around 90k. So both work. Ryfie is up at 110k with ebs

[tropic ocean]

well

hard to compare their numbers

they pull better and cleave longer

[slow tulip]

depending on the tank pulls all can work tbh

[tropic ocean]

like wildi group they finished ur with 140k+ dps on each dps

[lone charm]

Is this alright for the item level?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iWqKMej7dgVPTKf1YezhtB

[tropic ocean]

doesnt matter if I play 3eb or 0 eb wont get close to that

😄

but yeah I played a lot with 3 ss 3 hod recently

[normal sphinx]

Haha true. I mean, 3xeb today and I still finished the boss fight on 90k. Rezan

[tropic ocean]

and I like it and the dps difference is marginal for me

[normal sphinx]

So I never feel like it hurts me too much

[tropic ocean]

which might change when I can stack severe/strikethrough

as currently my corruptions are bad

😄

eb should/will get better with high crit

and crit dmg

[normal sphinx]

I only use r2 severe and mf. I've already got 47% CRIT though

[tropic ocean]

but then again killing confessor before he can get 1 cast off and vendetta drops

feels GIGA CARRY

😄

[normal sphinx]

Strike through felt nice tbh

Got one this week from masks

Just not the week for it without 3xeb

[tropic ocean]

im aiming for 3 severe

3 strikethrough

something like that

[normal sphinx]

Mmm interesting. Consistency I guess

Going for 60% base CRIT?

[tropic ocean]

12% crit dmg on high crit in fight will make b pump

[normal sphinx]

Or higher?

[tropic ocean]

idk

I currently have 40ish without severe

probably can even lower severe

like my goal is to have 1 fok proc 5 ebs

[normal sphinx]

My r2 gives me 3 or 4 % I think

[tropic ocean]

which is very reliant on target count as well

but want to consistently do it even in smaller pulls like 4-5 targets

so probably 40-45% crit +2 severe

should be good

as im using spyglass

and deadly nav

[normal sphinx]

Same

[tropic ocean]

but yeah will need to sim and go more indepth once I have the stuff

[normal sphinx]

I haven't found that CRIT needs to go above 50 but hey, always interested in results

[tropic ocean]

there will be no perfect setup because if you build that u can proc 5x eb on 5 mob pulls

u will hard overcap on 10mobs

or might end up changing out some severe for high trash dungeons

and increasing them for low trash dungeons

will see

you can be sure there will be smarter people in this discord doing the theory so we will be fine

😄

[normal sphinx]

Hahaha I always want to that the end results. Some more dps for nothing is nice

[storm nymph]

Think it would bettter to run 2x Cara daggers with exp?

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u3bRKDgww74yntnLZXt4t6 my sims says me to use worldvein but in logs every top ppl is on blood of the enemy / exhang build. What should i follow, my sims or go bote as top ppl on the logs?

[scarlet sequoia]

dont use worldvein

[strange python]

naixa same, mine always sim worldvein and it seems to work ok for me

the problem with worldvein is standing around for 18sec

you dont often do that

[royal lantern]

you cant ADADADADAD spam while standing still

[strange python]

thx for your answers

so, better run bote i think

[heavy forum]

Anyone know any assa/sub streamers? Can be PvP and pve. Top content. Iknow about nahj and pikaboo

[strange python]

pvp akro

and whaaz

[heavy forum]

Ah yeh know about those aswel

PvP is nahj, pika, akro and Whaazz. I dont know any pve streamers

[strange python]

seliathan streams assa m+ (and raids i think)

there was also morningbryg but idk what happened to him

[heavy forum]

Ah yeh ty

[normal sphinx]

Ryfie for sin m+

Not much more I know of above what's been said

[rigid mango]

Raz streams reclears here and there I think? Tisumi too afaik.

[upper elm]

hmmm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mJQmKYK2cy2qdBEWx5SeYT

any sugestions?

[pseudo hamlet]

So, for now we're going full Expedient corruptions for raids?

[winter gale]

I came here to ask the same q

Is expedient something that I should buy now or I can wait for something else ? I dont have a single one and I wanted to save for goushing wound but its going to be nerfed

[scarlet sequoia]

yes buy expedient

[storm nymph]

would you drop mindflays for exp?

[raven mica]

I’m assuming yall’s bis gonna be like

[scarlet sequoia]

yes

[raven mica]

6 expedient 2 racing pulse

Right?

Wait no 9 slots uh

[scarlet sequoia]

probably not racing pulse

void ritual most likely

[worldly sandal]

ive got RP 5, expedient 6, TA 1

and more expedient sims higher over RP

[raven mica]

Yea that setup is for like classes with 2 hander cuz only 8 slots

[worldly sandal]

even tho my baseline haste is pretty low

[storm nymph]

That with the SS build?

[raven mica]

9x expedient is 45 corruption

[strange python]

What's generally the maximum recommended corruption? I'm running 50 right now and it seems fine

[raven mica]

I don’t think there’s a way to get better than that without hitting 60

[worldly sandal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9d3GASMBStbNFN8vN38U4

my haste is too low even with all that (haste) corruption

exsang barely pulls ahead it looks like

actually i didnt see that correctly. TB still higher by a bit

[raven mica]

Ya ya sin bis gonna be 9x expedient.

With replacing a rank 3 for a rank 1 if yall wanna go below 40

[scarlet sequoia]

more likely to be

7 t3 1 t1 and 1 t3 racing pulse or a t2 void ritual

then u get to 58 or 59 corruption

[raven mica]

T2 void ritual is 35

[scarlet sequoia]

yes

140+10+35

[raven mica]

175, that’s 40 corruption after resist

[scarlet sequoia]

ok moment i calc

[raven mica]

Max res is 135

185*

[scarlet sequoia]

ok so u want a t2 expedient

[astral tangle]

9X gushing !

[scarlet sequoia]

with 7 t3s

and 1 racing pulse t3 or a void ritual t2

then u hit 55 corruption

[raven mica]

So thats 180

[upper elm]

I guess gushing won't be a thing after nerfs or?

[raven mica]

Wait no that’s 190

[scarlet sequoia]

its not

[raven mica]

MATH IS FUCKING HARD

[scarlet sequoia]

140+35=175

[raven mica]

140+15+35

[astral tangle]

I am positive gushing will be fine!

[scarlet sequoia]

+15 is 190

-135

[raven mica]

190 yes ok ok

[scarlet sequoia]

=55

[astral tangle]

I mean most pvpers have 3-5, you can now stack up to 9. The 35% nerf will mean that full stacking still nets you more ST dps than pre nerf

[raven mica]

But

[raven mica]

You could just stack vers% or haste% instead

Especially in 2s where ur sometimes the kill target

[astral tangle]

You get so much haste and versa from gear and numerous procs on trinket, azerite, essences

[raven mica]

You realize that

% corruptions make those better right?

[astral tangle]

Yes but when your sin and bleed is the shit , you add 9 gushing and your doing 25-35k ticks when procced

[raven mica]

Gushing doesn’t proc Venomous wound.

[astral tangle]

I mean atm , I am running IS3 and I am stacking what I have. 27% versa and 24% haste without procs. So yes I could stack more corruption to increase those but juicy gushing seems like a sleeper still when fully stacked

it doesnt need to

in 2s or 3s you should be keeping rupture and garrote up on all targets

even pets if you can, that will help with the regen

[raven mica]

Also #pvp

[astral tangle]

Well we are talking a mix of corruption/sin and pvp

so yeah...

[storm nymph]

is there a point in which exp has diminishing return? if you could go past rank 9 exp...would you? 🙂

[scarlet sequoia]

im gonna be running rank 24

so hard to say really

[storm nymph]

was thinking of going to like rank 17

:S

[raven mica]

ur gonna stick with the 45 corruption after resist raz?

[scarlet sequoia]

it will be 53 this week

[storm nymph]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fpWesxCctyJQJvGLFvAKZy

[true kindle]

should i aim for SS in an exsanguinate build?

[lean marten]

going from r4 expedient to r7 expedient was only like 1% increase (replaced a r3 strikethru) for me

[storm perch]

should i aim for SS in an exsanguinate build?
@true kindle what sims best

[lean marten]

i dont think expedient stacking is THAT great tbh

theres like a threshold then ur good

[sly fern]

Guys, can someone help me?
I have two sims. First is my actual build and second is build with haste. What am I doing wrong?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gExh3AwfK7NzvGKkreEqwW
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6qtfhXoFAd7qX3dshSqXMc

Can this be because I stack haste too much?

[lean marten]

haste build typically runs DS + xang

[sly fern]

I added it into sim too.

[lean marten]

i'd also use BotE major and replace C&S with breath

[worldly sandal]

well there was my screw up

i wasnt running DS

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kemJ8t8rkx8obfoMpVfqNg

[lean marten]

yeah, and at least 1xSS

[slow tulip]

pog

[sly fern]

Tried to add shoulders with +5 ilvl and SS + tried to replace C&S. Doesn't work at all.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v9ZwXPmoZYa8JTkrTcD9az

More of that, simc tell that I should use DS with TBo0.

[lean marten]

xang build typically needs at least 1xSS trait

[storm nymph]

ive ran into the same situation Frankinstein 😦

[orchid cloud]

is gushing wounds still something to seek if I can't afford 3 expedients?

[dense blaze]

How much should I trust dungeonslice sims for assassination?

[strange python]

Any of you guys pay for RaidBots? Is it worth?

[dense blaze]

Very worth, I upgraded from heirloom to epic a few days ago myself

[strange python]

Think I'm gonna do heirloom. Does SwiftSim make that big a difference in sim times?

[dense blaze]

I needed it for more iterations but I used heirloom for like two years

But yeah the difference is noticeable

[upper elm]

I don't get it, why is 2ss simming higher than 3ss https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rta4VH6PMz5VtY7586CvgQ

[dense blaze]

You're only going to be hitting one target, the double dose is big for that

[last ingot]

what should I do with my 470 wrist with IS3? i do m+ mainly but i dont use the item now, and didnt want to cleanse it in case of vendor

[strange python]

Apparently you can recorrupt items that have been cleansed now, but only after the vendor came out

Id verify that first though

[scarlet sequoia]

was able to yesterday as well

so yeah

the only items u cant corrupt are ones you've cleansed prior to this reset

[main blaze]

Ive horded all my corruption.. so jokes on them!haha

rip bag space

[strange python]

i cleansed so much last week because WHO WOULDVE THOUGHT i needed to let that leech and avoidant on the item

[bold orchid]

Rip to my 475 weapons

[wicked quartz]

with sin AoE (assuming vanish is off cd) I find the rotation logs unclear. Assuming i have echoing blades and maintain 3 bleeds for energy at what number of enemies should i just spam fan of knives and ignore the combo points completely. I find vs 10+ this is def the best DPS but not sure what number of enemies it takes over.

[tropic ocean]

depends on your echoing traits

[coarse vault]

In general i think the idea is to spam FoK while you have a full Envenom buff rolling, which is about 5 casts or so, then refresh envenom and repeat.

[tropic ocean]

comes down to target count and if there is a prio target or not

[coarse vault]

Hencce, vanish, 3x Garrote, rupture, Fan, envenom, Fan spam...

[lean marten]

u dont need envenom buff if there are enough targets

EB stacked will be better dps than using envenom with enough targets

what Ausr is saying

[crimson rampart]

Is there a haste% when DS sims better?

[jolly star]

isn't EP worth maintaining as well?

@crimson rampart no clue, for me it takes over vigor around 30% but i think it's personal

[crimson rampart]

Thanks @jolly star I’ll keep simming it 🙂

[fast fog]

What traits am I looking for if trying to go with the exsang build?

[wary ice]

@wicked quartz

he goes on to explain it varries on your crit %

but thats a good baseline

[sullen pagoda]

wait this is 4min

[gusty nebula]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2uZUCiKiQS8CPMqK5ZvbFe

Why can't I get my dps higher :<

I'm not sure what I'm missing other than even more expedient.

[deep agate]

my DD gear sims better and it tells me to take SF and DS instead of the norm and will the SS + exsanguinate get better at dmg with more Expedient i get ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/txQVUbkqY1epNsFqC8D6qx

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iaTaUoKnMytwhAXGDHcP2G

[royal lantern]

check the pins

🙂

difference bettwen ss+exsang and dd+tb with expedient stack is not that big cus both gain big value out of the haste

ss+exsang is better for some fights cus of lenght/dmg windows

[sullen pagoda]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dFtdTBRtsBCZv1s1h1TQa6 nvm still shit simming

4min sims baited me

[deep agate]

thank you

[rotund torrent]

Hi guys, for xsang build with 3x SS we have to stack like 9x expedient in haste major stat gear or in crit/versa gear plus some flat haste stats?

[eternal bluff]

So question. Do you guys think it's worth it to buy the R3 appendage before the corruptions rotate or wait for the nerfed gushing wounds?

Currently working on mythic N'zoth and debating on the corruptions

[quartz depot]

depends if you like being tilted by rng or not

[verbal radish]

Been keeping tabs on alot of the discussion on subterfuge. The opener is a bit what confuses me. I think I read RH and it said G, M, R, Vendetta, Mutilate to 4+, refresh Dots with vanish then exsang. First question, is that correct? Second question in theory your exsang and vendetta/vanish won't line up again in the future. Do you hold them to line up?

[sullen pagoda]

@eternal bluff dont buy appendage at all

i especially dont like it on nzoth its so rng if u gonna proc it on boss while he takes 99% less dmg and shit

just buy expedient pieces

[upper elm]

hey folks, does this makes sense what i tried to build here?

something like which gear to switch between m+ and st with max corruption etc

[eternal bluff]

That's why I actually like appendage. It only goes on your target so it has no chance to target N'zoth

@sullen pagoda I've had no issues with appendage hitting anything other than my target

[sullen pagoda]

well u can target nzoth to stack up your coral for burn phases

during downtime

[steep obsidian]

its normal for breath of the dying major to be a fair bit ahead right? like im not going nuts here

i guess its always been good

[jolly star]

it is good

just high maintenance

[steep obsidian]

i mean im assuming the sim doesnt snipe low hp mobs etc

[sullen pagoda]

its just way too rng trait for a lot of corruption, really bad for prog imo @eternal bluff

[steep obsidian]

so if you are good with it it would be even better

or could be even

[dense blaze]

I’m a fan of the appendage personally, never had targeting issues with it

[jolly star]

i don't like it's inconsistency

sometimes top damage, sometimes 10th

[steep obsidian]

its not as inconsistent as is

[dense blaze]

Obv that’s not good but the high is so good

[steep obsidian]

and at least its ok on multi target fights

[deft obsidian]

Dropped all TA for Expedient/RP yesterday, feels far less tilting

[sullen pagoda]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/68DH4p73zYgRN92B#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=4 my maut tentacle dmg yesterday : )

200k from rank 2 on 885 piece

[drifting cloud]

Playing rng corr on prog when you dont have to now with vendor. Some big brain strats guys

Atleast do it on farm if you wanna highroll parses

[jolly star]

@drifting cloud rather playing with what you have instead of what you want to have

[sullen pagoda]

@jolly star the guy asked if he should buy

[jolly star]

fair

[bleak spoke]

rng on prog