lmao
#assassination
onyx hedge
raw rune
pussy
onyx hedge
really, your going to run 80 corruption on mythic ilgynoth where if you die with the circle at its max it kills everyone?
Smart boy haha
onyx hedge
ikk
so am i
im not mad dw
lol
im trolling
Ngl this is apretty chill rotation, R3 expedient for my main (rogue) and then masterful for my mage
basically best scenario for me 🙂
ornate gazelle
wait i'm confused is haste-ss-exang build better than the normal one with tendies?
can't tell if i'm being trolled or not haha
raw rune
in future it will be I believe
polar drift
what is tendies? TA?
dusky oxide
small pieces of fried chicken
raw rune
reserved for only the goodest of boys
strange python
do i want to stack haste or crit corruption as sin rogue?
raw rune
haste
strange python
double douse is trash now?
raw rune
probably not
as you'll get more muts off with higher haste?
it could be interesting for us to get to a point where we have enough haste to run ds
over vigour
wraith flume
so then what traits should i be going for?
ornate gazelle
What are the 3 bis shrouded suffocation azerite pieces?
quasi pewter
ra-den, goraktul, carapace
fleet anchor
DD is still good even with a full Haste setup
quasi pewter
alternatively ilgynoth instead of goraktul
raw rune
will be interesting to see how good meticulous scheming becomes with exp stacking
raw rune
was already pretty pog
fleet anchor
Yeah I need to take a look at Meticulous Scheming in my next pass... I'm trying to figure out a "BiS" list atm
Or close to it
quasi pewter
fleet anchor
I'm getting extremely close to 105k at sub-60
But that's about as high as I can get atm
raw rune
wutface
sinful fern
What are you running @fleet anchor ? Corruption wise
fleet anchor
Basically just full Expedient stacking seems to be the way to go atm. Racing Pulse starts pulling almost equal with Expedient at these levels (Expedient 21)
So if you were making an "ideal" sub-80 spec, could maybe see Racing Pulse slot in, but they become pretty close at that point
fleet anchor
That's 7 items
sinful fern
Is that SS or no?
raw rune
I know
ornate gazelle
what's r21?
raw rune
but its just a ridiculous concept coming from a week ago
fleet anchor
SS and DD are still essentially equal
raw rune
7xr3
fleet anchor
At that gear level
raw rune
could be r27 lol
fleet anchor
SS and DD are basically within like 0.1% DPS of each other
raw rune
lol ill be like r10
crisp hazel
the go is still expedients?
fleet anchor
Also Formless Void becomes slightly better than CnS
quasi pewter
better than iris too?
ornate gazelle
what's the best secondary stat after haste for ss build?
quasi pewter
crit usually
ornate gazelle
i know sim it, but like in general
proven talon
haste>crit>mast>vers
ornate gazelle
good ole crit haste haha
fleet anchor
Oh I can get over 105k if I replace ring enchants I think... maybe
We'll see soon
Also some pieces could maybe be more optimal stat-wise, just using what Raz has in his bags 😛
quasi pewter
are you simming with current cloak levels
polar drift
exsang build?
quasi pewter
using mecha rings?
fleet anchor
Yeah although TB/Exsang are still quite close too
No Mecha set, it's using N'zoth ring
quasi pewter
mecha is big
fleet anchor
Could be Mecha set is worth yeah
drifting cosmos
R21 exp, what's the base haste % is that lmao
warm parcel
Mecha set is unbeatable
fleet anchor
Send me some simc addon strings for it and I can toss them in
quasi pewter
i could just send you my sim
warm parcel
🙂
finger1=,id=169159,enchant_id=6108,gem_id=168639,bonus_id=6536/4802/6578/6515/1532/4786,context=35 finger2=,id=169157,enchant_id=6110,bonus_id=5009/6516/6513/1502/4786,context=16
proven talon
did you cleanse it beforehand
warm parcel
It was week one cache
proven talon
did you cleanse it beforehand or not
warm parcel
And had void ritual 66 something
proven talon
if u cleansed it ur def cucked
quasi pewter
ornate gazelle
crazy to think we might be cleansing carapace daggers for expedient haha
arctic walrus
would love to know why we're big dumb idiots btw
proven talon
who hurt u vel
warm parcel
Somethings also funky with the corruption sims when doing combos
Getting quite the mixed messages
arctic walrus
yeah it wasn't working for me
warm parcel
Picking 14 combos it gives exr3 1544+
fleet anchor
lol Weak, gonna guess most people don't have a 475 Haste proc available to them 😄
warm parcel
Picking exr3 only gives it 3k+
steel wagon
What kind of sub 40 builds should we be aiming for - for n'zoth?
arctic walrus
I lost a few 100 dps cuz I could've probably done something better before an expedient
but should be fine I can get 2nd
warm parcel
I mean just get it from cache @fleet anchor 
proven talon
sub 40 for nzoth hehe
steel wagon
my exang build only does like 1k more than my full tnedies build for nzoth
but i only have 3x 12% hastes
arctic walrus
that's a lot
steel wagon
vs my r3 tendies, and 2x r2 tendies at 475
arctic walrus
who are you @proven talon
warm parcel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8i1g15UR29URYZrjV48CPf
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e7tPFLZrZNqopcxygJfNuo
@arctic walrus help me spot why exr3 is so different in these two
fallow otter
so confirmed that we are stacking it? i feel like we only want like rank4 expedient, not sure what to add after that im guessing tendies
quasi pewter
not tendies
quasi pewter
maybe racing pulse maybe void ritual
warm parcel
🤡
quasi pewter
something like that
warm parcel
ones rank 1 ones rank 3 🙂
ornate gazelle
heart of darkness or nothing personal for ss build?
quasi pewter
but you propably want full expedient until you run out of slots and fill rest of ur budget with void ritual or something
raw rune
hod
fleet anchor
Honestly just seems like.. adding more Expedient just is pretty much winning for quite a long time
Until you cap out
warm parcel
I mean thats how raz kinda showed us
raw rune
this man is on the money
warm parcel
By being lucky
fallow otter
interesting @quasi pewter ta
ornate gazelle
vita and coral or vita and wrathion?
warm parcel
How good does troll become at full ex?
raw rune
wrathion wtf
quasi pewter
800 over bloodelf for me
raw rune
ew
quasi pewter
human 1k or something too
quasi pewter
yep
fallow otter
with higher essence
fallow otter
me2
quasi pewter
nice game
thin holly
I got 10k echoes today
thin holly
Should easily get another 5k before expedient 3 is gone from the vendor
quasi pewter
im guessing he bought some td
raven mica
Well TD ain’t up rn
slim lava
it seems like u can put corruption in an item and trade inside the raid
ornate gazelle
do the daily shit and farm m+ and you can get as many expedients as you want before they change over
strange python
Which corr is up rn?
fleet anchor
Ok lowering the set to 465
raven mica
Expedient 3
fleet anchor
It's a 0.9% increase over the raid rings
raven mica
All that matters
fleet anchor
So gets to 106k
warm parcel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/679655192957812756/unknown.png
O yea here it was
fallow otter
this is gonna be a long gearing discussion that will change alot over the next few weeks.... jesus
warm parcel
13 weeks ago
quasi pewter
maybe theyll fix it
warm parcel
They gotta
quasi pewter
then you have an actual bis piece
warm parcel
Now I just want plum from cache in 20 mins
quasi pewter
i wouldnt mind a 475 mecha ring or 475 belt with expedient 3 tho
fallow otter
well... not bad if its a good one haha
quasi pewter
so i dont have to farm so much
warm parcel
I suppose
fleet anchor
Oof... I need to test Galecallers with this setup...
fleet anchor
lol
warm parcel
Dont make us play that
fleet anchor
Trust me, I'm no fan
fleet anchor
But
raw rune
I mean its not too bad
warm parcel
Just fake the numbers
fallow otter
looks like after doing the usual easy things smashing keys is the best way to farm echoes? or am i missing something
quasi pewter
just do 15 keys or something i think
arctic walrus
3s
fallow otter
yeh i was thinking pvp might be good but i can be braindead to smash 17s over and over
raw rune
provided you win
fallow otter
oh and visions
raw rune
750 each
quasi pewter
like you can do 3 15s an hour thats 675 echoes or something
sinful fern
@fleet anchor can you post your raidbots? I wanna see what you're running
quasi pewter
for endless farm thats p good i think
ornate gazelle
how many per 3's win?
fallow otter
yeh thats where im @quasi pewter
arctic walrus
75-125
fallow otter
thats what im thinking
quasi pewter
i hate the rotating so much man
coming out of push week
now i have to farm more m+
because fucking expedient is only up 3 days
warm parcel
Then the next time you see it is in 3 months
warm parcel
Like suramar rank3 potion recipe 🙂
fleet anchor
Yeah having the one we want on the first set is pretty terrible
quasi pewter
yea new exciting content update
nimble wing
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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fleet anchor
Unless you're an alt 🤣
quasi pewter
i would also like to buy some ineff 1's and experiment in m+
but nah
cant do that gotta farm for expedients
raw rune
cause crit caps 4head
quasi pewter
not sure
fleet anchor
I mean
It's mostly due to stacking I think
With my personal gear set + sockets, Crit actually wins
But the top-end will be less
fleet anchor
In the short-term it seems to be good
slow tulip
haste will always win cuz the inc bleed tics, also even during lust you can almost run out of enrg
fleet anchor
I am going to try a full Severe stack and see what it looks like
arctic walrus
yeah crit is better for me in gems/enchants
arctic walrus
I have sev 5 tho
quasi pewter
1 lonely haste gem
warm parcel
And agi in 2020
fleet anchor
Ok you guys are in luck
warm parcel
fleet anchor
rancid spade
no more TA?
fleet anchor
If you happen to have a 475 Medallion you don't have to use Galecallers
But if you don't well...
🤔
quasi pewter
what ilvl is that galecaller
warm parcel
Is it 465 gale
fleet anchor
yeah
fleet anchor
Anyway here's what we're looking at right now.. probably where I will stop for the time being 😛
fleet anchor
Who needs lucid when you have infinite energy? 🤣
quasi pewter
hmm
fleet anchor
But yeah it popped out when I tried all the different Essence combos
I was a little surprised
But it was close
warm parcel
Its using sim default consumables tho
quasi pewter
actually if you look at my sim
fleet anchor
So kinda whatever
warm parcel
Still hate it defaults to worse pot 99% of the time
quasi pewter
i didnt sim against formless void tho
bote minor
how much uptime is realistic on formless
90?
quasi pewter
rly
warm parcel
yea
fleet anchor
Tanks use Flames
warm parcel
In raid its 100% up when you gotta do dmg
fleet anchor
It's up all the time
fleet anchor
I use it on my Hunter it's like 90-100%
light pebble
what are the best corruptions to aim for in pve (raid/M+) now with the vendor? atm i just got IS3 and 2 for raid and 2x raden weapons and TD for m+
fleet anchor
But also yeah just to clarify, in this build SS and DD essentially do identical damage although would err towards SS just because it's better for cleave/solo. But that's not really a critical piece of the puzzle
quasi pewter
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xeLAUTrHZnnN5Kr2sSNGin might be running no lucid soon then i guess 
fleet anchor
End up using 1x SS anyway because Tortured Fleshbeast is best HoD ilevel
But HoD is really the most important trait once you get silly multipliers 😛
quasi pewter
o wait its using a dd
fleet anchor
Great Convergence with DD+HoD seems to be slightly better
quasi pewter
thats cringe
tropic charm
I’m new to the exs build, but do I refresh my dots before I use it? And when do I need to use vanish in the rotation?
fleet anchor
Is what it is, ilevel for HoD is kinda big
warm parcel
But for real Koji, why is the default profile still using agi food
Even if we talking like 200 dps
slow tulip
realistically you cant buy more than 4 exp rank 3 till saturday right ?
arctic walrus
fleet anchor
I'd say primarily because it's such a small margin and didn't want to bias the results of multipliers too much between Crit and Haste food. Can change it if it's a big deal but it's so small not sure it matters
arctic walrus
my sims haven't made sense for like the past 2 weeks man
steep ridge
would you guys still use infinite stars if you got one?
arctic walrus
can this tier be over
warm parcel
I dont mind, nor does it ever come up
Potion choise occasionally comes up as a question
So just got curious
fleet anchor
I use Crit food because like.. it's easy to make lol
quasi pewter
infinite stars on wrathion and shadhar only imo
arctic walrus
anyone wanna double check my sim
slow tulip
just buy them Kapp
arctic walrus
feel like something's just off
slow tulip
+14 keys
vital haven
15's?
fleet anchor
So even going up to 76 Corruption
raw rune
visions
quasi pewter
maybe post it 
@arctic walrus
fleet anchor
Still wants to stack Expedient over Racing Pulse
raw rune
then I mean if you're super good at pvp it could be 3s right
arctic walrus
waiting for permission from superiors
fleet anchor
quasi pewter
granted
raw rune
if u could dumpster people quick enough
warm parcel
That plum is clearly a flex
fleet anchor
So probably won't add Racing Pulse until like.. we actually are legitimately saturated on budget
warm parcel
And so is elu instead of cd
quasi pewter
ah
arctic walrus
see now that's a flex
quasi pewter
you should scrap it
warm parcel
but whats wrong here
quasi pewter
so i can get it
fleet anchor
Who doesn't have Gorak Tul's yet?
steep ridge
here
fleet anchor
I'm just kidding 😄
warm parcel
Who doesnt have 475 socket mecha set already 
quasi pewter
its only like 300 dps upgrade
steep ridge
I got 3 times the same shoulders in a row
raw rune
koji send raidbots of the 110k?
quasi pewter
vel yea whats wrong with ur sim
arctic walrus
I guess I still shouldn't run ilgy shoulders yeah?
quasi pewter
looks fine to me
fleet anchor
Infinite Stars does kinda like... insanely pump
raw rune
so will tendies
fleet anchor
No
steep ridge
infine stars is also extremely random
raw rune
theyre proc based
warm parcel
IS is forbidden here
raw rune
right
fleet anchor
Tendies don't interact with Haste whatsoever
warm parcel
We dont talk about what the heretics do
quasi pewter
gorak tuls is better vel
vital haven
even if IS pumps
steep ridge
sometimes you get 10 stacks in 3 minutes nad sometimes never xD
raw rune
more attacks???
arctic walrus
nibren runs IS 🤢
vital haven
how much corruptyion would that be?
quasi pewter
until you get t20 expedient or something
fleet anchor
TA is non-hasted RPPM
quasi pewter
i dont run is
quasi pewter
dont look at my wrathion and shadhar logs
arctic walrus
how did you go about simming what's best to put exp on
educated guessed and threw them on bracers
warm parcel
Honest question
fleet anchor
But fwiw
fleet anchor
At Expedient 21 or so
RP1 and VR1 are about the same
And slightly behind more Expedient
fleet anchor
raw rune
LINK SIM
warm parcel
Exsang just stinks in encounters tho
arctic walrus
at least you see yourself on the meters this tier when running ss
vital haven
it that i think
warm parcel
idno man
fleet anchor
TB is like
warm parcel
it just feels annoying to use
raw rune
nah koji has something else
quasi pewter
idk exsang feels good
quasi pewter
once you start bursting higher than fire mages
arctic walrus
I probably still dont even use the cds correctly after only 2 clears with it
warm parcel
So where can I buy exsang coaching sessions
fallow otter
i was thinking the safest expedient is going to be mecha rings, just incase an ilvl scaling corruption turns out to be better down the track
quasi pewter
can you make me look better
arctic walrus
It's been this way for 2 tiers
fleet anchor
I'll rename the sim to "Raz's Dreams"
fleet anchor
"Future Raz"
arctic walrus
blood better than iris minor
fleet anchor
What terrible gear he has
warm parcel
a what
arctic walrus
I can link u mine
fleet anchor
I have one
I am clearly the better geared Rogue
I don't think it will be good though
fleet anchor
TtK sucks
warm parcel
Yea I guess exsang gets some of its power from being able to skip the ttk in the chest azerite
quasi pewter
i meant current raz
fleet anchor
If you don't care about SS vs. DD
quasi pewter
not saturday raz
quasi pewter
and also due to you being an alpha and being #1 in burst
arctic walrus
Anyone else think how bliz wants to fuck rogues and locks by giving out exp 3 on release not giving us the chance to stock up
fleet anchor
Just noting it so people who don't have SS don't think they have different Corruption priority
Expedient is good for all 😛
quasi pewter
anyone else think bliz is just dumb as fuck for doing the rotating in general ._.
also dont warrs love expedient most kinda
arctic walrus
yeah arms
quasi pewter
oh god man is shadow gonna be busted again
tough skiff
Star still more fun than Exp even if sim lower
fleet anchor
There.. after like an hour and 1/2 I have a kinda-sorta-not-really BiS that slightly rivals fresh BM Hunters
warm parcel
Fresh bm
raw rune
ty man
quasi pewter
yea but bm hunters reach that with 0 corruption
warm parcel
And by literally sleeping on the keyboard
Bracers still missing corr
OH weapon still 475
fleet anchor
Sad I couldn't make that exactly 111,111 DPS
I mean yeah it's just using the gear he had
It's not a true BiS
fleet anchor
Bracers are future-proofing for cloak level 😄
tropic charm
So is Exsanguinate really that much better than TB? Or is it small enough where it really doesn’t matter what I play? I’m not used to exs at all and really don’t feel like learning a new rotation this far in the expansion 😂
fleet anchor
But eventually will have to swap in Racing Pulse or Void Ritual
It really doesn't matter at typical gear levels
Even in this profile with Expedient 24 or whatever, it's only 1.2% difference
Between TB and Exsang
Could just depend on fight timings more than anything at that point
tropic charm
Like my ilvl is around the same as yalls but I’m only simming like 85k, granted I don’t have BiS Azerite but I don’t think that the Azerite could account for 5-10k DPS
warm parcel
Theres a lot more than ilvl
Ilvl has meant absolutely nothing for the good past few years
And the sims linked here are absolutely insane gear sets
So not your ordinary rogue
fallow otter
why do i feel like im gonna be using my 475 galecallers with this exang build uh oh
tropic charm
I know that’s what I’m saying, I have decent gear. I saw earlier that exs scaled really well with expedient and I have r8 so was wondering if it would be crucial to switch
Which r8 isn’t high but 🤷🏼♂️
ancient hound
So, as a relatively new rogue player, should I just go all out trying to grind expedient now?
fallow otter
i bought 460 boe r3 exp but never looted one myself 😦
tropic charm
Well I just got my sims back and it’s saying there’s like a 900 dps difference so I guess it’s not that far off
fleet anchor
But the sad thing here is like
Expedient and GW interacted reasonably well for us
At these Expedient levels, 15 Corruption GW is roughly equal to 20 Corruption Expedient III
slow tulip
@fleet anchor how much haste will you have with that exp stacks, like 55-58% ?
tropic charm
So with r8 expedient, would it be smart to now use DS instead of vigor with TB?
fleet anchor
That's 36% gear haste I think
Not sure what the effective haste would be in combat though
loud brook
I never make it past 80k pepesad
slow tulip
thats insane
slow tulip
im with 35% base haste, when vita and rpulse procs its like lust 😄
fleet anchor
Basically no downtime with this setup
quasi pewter
yea i mean
quasi pewter
im already at almost 0 downtime
with my current setup
little more and i can drop lucid
fleet anchor
59.5 APM lol
tropic charm
I was testing out something in LFR and hit 105% haste without a hero
slow tulip
this patch is a complete fiesta now, pull Pepega at blizz HQ
lets hope shadowlands will be good 😄
back to 10% base haste on lv 60 😄
fleet anchor
lol this setup is actually kinda hilarious with SS and Rupture damage with so much Haste. It gets up to 128k DungeonSlice with no EB 😛
That's like 10k higher than a lot of Outlaw TD setups atm haha
tropic charm
So I might start tinkering with exs, so do I reapply dots before I use exs, and when do I vanish? I don’t know why but it feels so clunky when I play it
fleet anchor
It feels clunky because Exsang is kinda strange and clunky 😛
But I can see how it's fun too
slow tulip
exsang felt good during uldir but now ... :/
tropic charm
Like I use it on CD, then wait the 20ish seconds for vendetta to come off CD, but I feel like I use vanish too late
dense axle
im new to this build, I was just figuring out that expedient is gonna be our most efficient corruption now (that isnt IS)...Are we really going Exsang?
tropic charm
Do I use vanish when the second exs comes off CD?
fleet anchor
@dense axle Exsang is an option once you reach a lot of Haste yes. Wouldn't say it's required but it probably does sim the best once you have the gear for it.
slow tulip
you always want the vanish empowered garrot with vendetta and exsang
dense axle
@fleet anchor but I mean, with GW nerf wouldnt I want to swap my 2 GW for 2 expedient?
dense axle
hmm, fair point
slow tulip
+1
dense axle
also it's very consistent
tropic charm
So that means using vanish once the first garrote comes off (after exs)? @slow tulip
dense axle
so is expedient honestly
tropic charm
And not when the exs itself comes off CD?
fleet anchor
Generally in that situation Subcutaneous you pop off Vendetta without Vanish when Exsang will come off cooldown mid-Vendetta but you still have time to fit in a full Exsang within the Vendetta
dense axle
probably mix of exp and GW will suss out to be best
fleet anchor
Then you Vanish+Exsang combo mid-Vendetta and it still fits
Same logic as with Coral usage with Font
Roughly
tropic charm
Ahh I wasn’t here for EP and never did the font and razor combo
fleet anchor
But since Exsang is a 45s cooldown it unfortunately doesn't have neat alignments with Vendetta
loud brook
should I prioritize any azerite trait over everything else like shrouded or heart of darkness?
I have enough gear to pretty much go any combination
tropic charm
Ohhh okay I see what you’re saying. So then do I use vanish after the first garrote with exs comes off cd?
slim lava
so this is the opener?
arctic walrus
with subt and exsang yes
slim lava
and when i use condensed life force?
slow tulip
sounds bout right, yes
slim lava
b4 everything?
arctic walrus
before vendetta
arctic walrus
for extra spice you can vendetta prepull
tropic charm
So rupture doesn’t really matter when it comes to exs? And when should I vanish? After the garrote with exs comes off?
safe canyon
Brainlet here. I mostly do m+. Should i be looking to stack gushing wound or stick with my r3 TD?
steep ridge
gushing got pretty heft nerfed
remote oak
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
slow tulip
@safe canyon stick with TD and if you have a small room left up to 59 corruption = fill it with gushing
safe canyon
@slow tulip thanks
slender relic
Is it crucial to refresh bleeds in pandemic wimdow?
slow tulip
its only crucial not to refresh them before the window or when they run out
slim lava
why the threshold on 59 corrupt?
eternal osprey
Cascading is AIDs
slow tulip
if you can handle more in high keys you can deffinitely do it
mossy valve
for m+ can we do a mastery% and honed mind build?
slow tulip
i just tend to run out of blinds and cloaks fast especially during tyrannical weeks and often die with 60+
slender relic
So its 5,4 secs fir Garrote and 7.2 secs for 5CP Rupture?
strange python
what essences do I play for Assa M+?
slender relic
See pinned messages
prisma monolithBOT
strange python
!guide
mossy valve
see pinned for my q?
slow tulip
honed mind build will be int to see, also severe one @mossy valve
it will prolly lower the haste treshhold too
im with 15% haste for fortified weeks and dont run out of enrg with 3x garrote and 1 rupture up to smap the FoK
with more crit it could go down to 12% prolly
mossy valve
is it better you think to buy expedient rn or the mastery?
i dont care as much for raid but i would also like to be viable enough
fleet anchor
Seeing how hit a Crit-specific build goes now, out of curiosity
mossy valve
lmk im trying to decide what to buy
quasi pewter
you could try mastery build with vop major too
mossy valve
in keys?
fleet anchor
Maybe a project for tomorrow, I'm running out of sleeptime 😄
slow tulip
@mossy valve w8 for masterful 3 mate, dont buy stuff this week, just stack echos
slow tulip
not for m+
since you already have enough enrg with 4 bleeds with even 15 haste you kinda loose a lot of value for the haste so crit and mastery outshines it a lot
rancid bobcat
what's the quick rundown on lining up vanish/exsang/vendetta
indigo elk
So exp is only for raids mostly ?
slow tulip
@indigo elk yes
rancid bobcat
so 2 exsang per vendetta?
indigo elk
Thanks !
scarlet sequoia
yes ish
rancid bobcat
aight
scarlet sequoia
exsang should line up with vanish/vendetta the first time
after that you have to hold exsang for like 20 sec
mossy valve
is the mastery crit build ok for raid?
rancid bobcat
gcb vs plumage? 
scarlet sequoia
both are good, would use plumage if theyre equal ilvl tho
mossy valve
do we want strike through at all?>
rancid bobcat
i got 475 gale and only 465 plumage 
scarlet sequoia
probably gcb then unless its impossible to be inside it for 10 sec
slow tulip
@mossy valve no, only TD / severe
fleet anchor
As long as you get your Exsang off in GCB
It doesn't matter if you stand out of it all that much
So Crit build is a bit behind, although still gets pretty high
Was able to get up to 106k
Basically for Crit setup seems like you want to keep a 1:1 ratio of Strikethrough and Severe, at least once you have a lot of Severe
slow tulip
is that a patchwerk sim @fleet anchor
drifting cloud
ofc
slow tulip
nice
fleet anchor
So a fair bit behind the 111k of the Haste setup, some of that being the ring set bonus synergy. Same with Vita. So not too surprising
Exsang setup seems about the same as TB with Crit setup, it's sub 0.2%
But still in a rough ballpark anyway
unborn pendant
So how does this Exang+SS build work?
fleet anchor
So probably don't need to be strictly Expedient but I think it's clear that Expedient is probably technically "BiS"
quick harbor
How did you set it so that it puts crit or haste % on all items @fleet anchor
vestal wren
its luckily on the weekly menu
quick harbor
For me it only does 1
slow tulip
bun unlucky that you cant get all you need :/
slow tulip
not for m+ no
languid talon
m+ prolly favours masterful and severe?
slow tulip
TD / severe for m+ atm
unborn pendant
So how exactly does this Exsang build work? Could someone explain it to me briefly?
languid talon
so how many expedients should i buy/would u guys buy
unborn pendant
Like, why is it good and when does it actually get good?
quick harbor
Im trying to sim some expedients now
scarlet sequoia
it gets good today
slow tulip
cuz you can fit more bleed ticks cuz the haste amp
fast pine
yeah i dont understand as well. I try to sim it and use gear compare but I get nowhere near DD and TA build performances
slow tulip
during the vendetta and exs window
scarlet sequoia
you need a lot of gear lets just put it like that
unborn pendant
Wait, your bleeds scale off of Haste?
scarlet sequoia
yes
fast pine
yes
slow tulip
the tick rate 😛
languid talon
the ticks do
unborn pendant
slow tulip
wont outsim the DD
quick harbor
Does any one know how to set up rank 3 expedient on all items or you just have to run same sim again with 1 item at the time
unborn pendant
Man, I really wanna try this build out then. I can't wait for Mother to start selling me her shit now.
upper trench
exs build requiers 3xSS traits I guess, something else?
fast pine
wait so from what I understand, It is more consistent than DD with IS and TA builds. but won't necessarly do more dmg. right ?
unborn pendant
Dumb question 2:
Is Razor Coral still great with this build?
I see some logs using it and others using a 475 Plumage
lilac sparrow
for 3ss exng, plumage is better
since you have to maximize your opening dps, but coral does not
unborn pendant
Also... How high does this spec actually burst with SS?
loud brook
I know i have shit gear, but i at least wanna hit 90k
fleet anchor
Since I'm seeing a lot of questions about this, will go ahead and give the quick "Vendor Day 1" raid gearing synopsis:
- Expedient is probably the best thing to stack after the Gushing Wounds nerf
- Exsanguinate build is viable at high levels of Haste (probably multiple Expedient III pieces) and gradually pulls ahead of Toxic Blade the higher Haste you go
- Even at its best with Expedient 24, Exsanguinate and Toxic Blade are within 1-1.5%, so if you don't like Exsanguinate, don't worry about it
- You don't need SS to play with Exsanguinate. It's good with DD as well and DD might sim better depending on the ilevel and stats of the piece. Think of it more that Exsanguinate and SS both like Haste and SS becomes about the same as DD at high Haste levels. This is the same no matter if you are running Exsanguinate or not.
- TL;DR - Probably just buy as many Expedient III pieces as you can, figure out the rest later. 🙂
Note: M+ EB setup may still want Crit, and Haste isn't the best there. Crit stacking is an option, although a Haste/SS setup will do quite well in AoE. This needs further research in Corruption combinations however.
digital shore
Should probably say that's for raids, not M+
digital shore
Mine isn't a sticky though 😉
loud brook
loud silo
its been a while since ive played with exsanguinate, can someone give me a refresher on the opener?
fleet anchor
Modified it a little bit
loud silo
is it G-R-G-G
lilac sparrow
g r g ven mut r exng
loud silo
sweet thanks
mossy valve
is there any build thats m+ and raid viable?
fleet anchor
Although honestly probably nothing stopping you from rolling out this setup in M+ @digital shore since if you do go with a 3x SS variant it will be pretty solid on non-huge pulls and pump bosses so
fallow otter
BM hunter
foggy lion
@mossy valve you would need to find a ST build that did well with echoing blades which isn't a thing
digital shore
Yeah true, 3 SS is solid for M+ as well
fleet anchor
I mean this setup above was doing like 128k in DungeonSlice sims which is higher than a lot of Outlaw DS sims right now lol
So it's probably not terrible
Just will be a little meh on huge pulls
digital shore
I only started playing this patch 3 weeks ago so I'm still gearing in general
fleet anchor
The thing is with this much Haste too you might just be able to swap in a TD2/TD3 or something and it will proc like mad too. Something to investigate potentially. But that's for another day.
digital shore
Question: I can't find the Severe corruption on wowhead, what does it do?
slow tulip
the possibilities are edless 😄
loud brook
I love 3 shrouds, 2 echoing blades, but i'd kill for the third echoing blade trait
foggy lion
@digital shore severe is % crit from all sources
loud brook
does as much as my outlaw spec on aoe
quick harbor
Trying to reach 100 with
digital shore
Thanks!
strange python
Is there a cap on how many expedients u can buy if u have enough echoes?
loud brook
I can probably hit 90k once next week rolls around and I get a chance to buy a haste 2 corruption and replace my 445 with one of my 475s and buy a crit corruption
loud silo
do you hold second vendetta for vanish with exsanguinate build or nah?
slow tulip
@Lõnewolf no
strange python
Aight ty
sudden trench
What you guys doing to farm echos
Ye that's not bad
So pretty much just play the game
foggy lion
Full clear / your dailies / emissaries / spam M+
verbal sparrow
Why does someone goes for Subterfuge build but doesn't have any Shrouded ? What changes in the rotation ? I was wondering a quite while
loud brook
I spam m+
icy osprey
is it normal for the vita trinket to sim rly bad?
eager delta
@verbal sparrow subterfuge scales better than ma with high crit levels, ma is just generally taken to fix your build when you dont have alot of crit
verbal sparrow
So how much approx. to consider that build ?
eager delta
idk its mostly just a sim thing, i've got around 50% crit unbuffed and subterfuge always sims better for me than ma
im double dose /blood major as well
so likely it puts me over the cap
hot spade
GW will be nerfed next week > I just dropped GW dagger from weekly chest 
eager delta
have seen that alot this week tbh
loud brook
at 40% haste and crit for me there's a 500 dps difference between the two for me
verbal sparrow
I'm mostly going for shrouded build and mostly going for Haste Versa. But even tho I'm topping sometimes my guild, I don't think it's enough for 473-477 ilvl tho
I sim like 75k
eager delta
yeah 75k is abit low for that ilvl tbh, though largely depends on corruptions
i never got good haste corruptions before this week so i couldnt play ss/exsang build
this is my sim for ref https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rWfyLDoombswvrtxikuuBV
dusk onyx
Are you going for Expedient max now? no Infinite star? no twisted appendage?
eager delta
yeah thinking so
dusk onyx
gushing is dead ill guess!?
smoky topaz
i think its still decent no?
eager delta
i dont think its going to be something you want to stack
eager delta
35% is alot
mm tbh being able to choose corruptions is super good imo
the biggest issue i had was you were forced to choose between good gear or good corruptions in most situations
dusk onyx
this system is so fucked up
if you unlucky you are always behind, rankings are totaly worthless
wet ruin
rip the GW, fast bois we are now
tropic ocean
now just gotta wait for rotation to stack severe/strikethrough for m+
verbal sparrow
btw, what stats are for which specific build ? I literarly heard every option and it makes me confused, since I have 34% 24% 32% 13% stats I think I have bad stat prio af
toxic timber
you bought 3? but u horted some vessels right?
tropic ocean
vessels ? no
but my main just never bought all essences so i had around 16k echoes already
scarlet sequoia
must be nice:)
toxic timber
wow, ur lucky mate 😄
raven mica
only have fucking
tropic ocean
there aer probably pplw ith 20k or more
raven mica
YEA MY TANK HAS FUCKING 35K
normal olive
Hey small question, i got 16 vision runs left, should i just go ham this week with 5 mask runs?
tropic ocean
yeah with target corruptions not really reliant on vision items anymore
so just nolife
wet ruin
can you do that?
scarlet sequoia
ye ofc
wet ruin
I mean after the 'weekly' stuff
true stratus
Doesn't have to be 5 mask to get full Echoes, does it
crimson palm
i did 10 visions last week, now I regret it 😦
crimson palm
did u sim a cleansed dagger raz?
im thinking if i should just cleanse now and apply 2x
crimson palm
aye
wet ruin
so can you corrupt trinkets now?
tropic ocean
raven mica
no
wet ruin
😦
crimson palm
btw there seems to be a bug that preheat is abusing on stream atm
you can trade raid drops with applied corruptions
wet ruin
it would've been nice to let you corrupt trinkets with the extra resistance you get
crimson palm
its still bis this week 😄
dusk onyx
whats the matter of tradeing raiddrops with corruptions?
drifting light
looking at this makes me nut. I love that I could literally socket it and corrupt it. Feels so good
raven mica
drifting light
^^ Im happy the difference isnt crucial. Only 18 stats
raven mica
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/712576698440220692/unknown.png
But wait, there's more.
drifting light
Is masterful actually gonna be useful? Like for the SS build?
normal olive
Small question again, you get more echoes for higher mask runs right?
drifting light
@rancid bobcat wdym what are they doing there? Just sims higher lol
Nope u dont get more
raven mica
its a very confused ring
haste ring with a mastery corruption with crit enchant and socket
normal olive
oh okay thanks ^^
rigid meteor
for raid what are the best corruption for sin? I am trying to stack t appendages
acoustic steeple
guys i got 3xDD 3xNP do you think stacking haste will be good there too?
tropic ocean
@acoustic steeple sim
lost horizon
@chilly marsh try with DS and exsang
thin gate
guys, can someone help me out a bit?
would be nice if u pm me
playing the exsang garrote build
shrewd night
Ask your questions here.
chilly marsh
doing the sim now
crimson palm
arena seems to be the fastest way to grind em right?
sick oyster
has anyone checked how echoes from raids work? same amount on alll diffs?
tawny wedge
is gushjing after the nerf still worht/BiS ?
turbid osprey
they were talking about a 35% nerf no?
icy osprey
is it normal to have crit be far better than haste?
turbid osprey
surely it cant be
icy osprey
i'm lacking alot of haste but it stills sims as my worst stat
fallow otter
don't write gushing wounds off yet boys, sure its a 35% nerf but it was 35% better before
rancid bobcat
If you're a big pvper then rated is probably the way to go
fallow otter
putting it on a 485 could be bigboy
rancid bobcat
But if you just lose over and over again
You get nothing
While you can probably stomp some random 15 key in 20 minutes for a guaranteed 225 echos
fallow otter
im gonna stomp 15-17s i think, i can switch off completely a pump through them consistently. if you can win constnatly doing 3s is probably super good
wet ruin
the sad thing is even with our bis corruption we probably won't see more than 110-115k at most
fallow otter
early days @wet ruin lets see how it plays out, its not like we are getting benched for shit dps so its fine tbh
rancid bobcat
That's life
chilly marsh
dont know if full expedient is teh call yet too
crimson palm
anyone tested if lucid is still BIS with all the haste now?
chilly marsh
i wish we had a top corruption sim in raidbots
crimson palm
i think the energy won't matter now
wet ruin
versa is pretty big though
chilly marsh
fixed gear testigne very corruption combinations
fallow otter
i mean, either way buy as many R3exp's you can this week imo
wet ruin
although looking at the sim above, it chose to replace lucid 😄
fallow otter
no need for the energy proc if you are swimming in it already
slate estuary
I was wondering when are you guys fitting in your golen plumage trink in the opener of the exang build ?
chilly marsh
yes lucid is gone lol
crimson palm
Let's see
The trinket has 2 min CD
off GCD
lasts for 20s
And we have a certain ability
that has a 2 min CD, lasts for 20s and boost dmg by 30%
when would you use plumage?
chilly marsh
lol😂
rancid bobcat
After Vendetta ends so you have a longer period of increased damage
rancid bobcat
I'm busting out my 475 galecaller tho
Big haste fuck
And u can play big haste fuck outlaw for junkyard too
chilly marsh
i havea 475 too
shrewd night
@crimson palm 
rancid bobcat
Big
chilly marsh
but dont like the cant leave place ...
azure pewter
Are we just stacking expediant now when the vendor is out?
rancid bobcat
You just use it and snapshot the exsang then you can leave
crimson palm
snapshotting is not a thing
verbal sparrow
So guys, Expedient basically replaced any other corrupt ?
kindred pelican
is plumage + vita bis for exang?
fast pine
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jdTkhitRUdUt5hvhwu1srd
Cant do better than this with the SS ex build. Given a CLF r3 i don't go over 90k :/
Wondering if I shouyld just save for IS later in rotation
rancid bobcat
Exsang snapshots your haste
It's been like that since uldir
The reason Exsang and SS were so largely paired in Uldir was because of Exsang Haste snapshotting with Galecaller's Boon actually effectively increasing SS damage quite a bit
@fleet anchor
heavy lark
16k echoes? x3 haste amps or what? XD
fast pine
Some people sim very high, some people don't. Don't really know why
turbid osprey
sounds like we're going all in on expedients
scarlet sequoia
it does
orchid cloud
if we play exsang with expedient, what azerite traits should we aim for?
rancid bobcat
I said that but then I get weirdchamp'd
orchid cloud
3x shrouded and 3x master poisoner?
rancid bobcat
scarlet sequoia
weirdchamp him back
rancid bobcat
heavy lark
is it worth using mecha rings as a set?
tropic ocean
@heavy lark yes
orchid cloud
I'll use master or double dose
minor rover
it is now yes @heavy lark
orchid cloud
instead
minor rover
being able to socket and add corruption to them makes them A LOT stronger
heavy lark
x2 expedient and a socket on each then
tropic ocean
not only that
toxic timber
@orchid cloud what u mean with Master? do u mean Nothing personal?
orchid cloud
yea nothing personal im sorry
tropic ocean
but with gw nerf you dont need highest ilvl anymore
minor rover
^