Why would nzoth be higher than others
#assassination
faint harness
Cus its the same dmg profile
You take constant dmg from the big tentie clouds on drestagath
wet ruin
sure, but my point was that n'zoth would be the fight with damage takes at all times
fleet anchor
I’d need to look at more logs but you could probably expect uptimes will be kinda random on short pulls.
faint harness
Nzoth is the same?
wet ruin
you have a dot
faint harness
P1 you dont take dmg every second
Only if targeted by spikeys and he does the aoe pulse
fleet anchor
It does proc from Toll yes.
wet ruin
its a dot that is applied at the start
is there at all times
deals damage every 5 seconds
faint harness
Must be really minimal dmg
wet ruin
your healers do 😄
faint harness
Barely
fleet anchor
But since it’s RPPM it shouldn’t matter too much. N’zoth will just easily make it hit the max target.
wet ruin
and it procs surging vitality which was the point
fleet anchor
In a more consistent way
faint harness
Cheesed it with MW doing all the healing, poor healers
Point was that its an underestimated corruption
Does it proc from eye dmg
wet ruin
I guess what I am trying to say is if I want to gamble with rppm I would probably do it with tentacle
since SV is not consistent
fleet anchor
Yeah but Lonewolf is sitting on 474 SV pieces but using VR3 item. So I think it’s better anyway. 🙂
Even at 30% probably lol
That’s the only reason I mentioned.
It’s an average corruption for sure but he has good ilevel pieces.
fleet anchor
I would sim at 50% because it will be at that for the later fights that are most important. And for any solo play, HVs, etc.
strange python
i simmed it at 50% and here are the results
fleet anchor
But can always check 35% or something too
strange python
you guys dont have solo play sets? wtf
( i dont have premium thats why its messy u have to scroll down to 53 corruption)
wet ruin
I am simming it with 30% which seems to be the average considering all bosses
faint harness
depends on prog Annsie
30% over an entire fight, sure, if you're just looking at maximizing overall dmg
but if its a lot higher in like ra-den p2
which has ruin dmg going every few sec
its a lot more worth than a 30% sim
wet ruin
I mean, I guess it could be better for progress
faint harness
- the defensive bonus you get
strange python
if i could only go for 68 then i could play my striketrthoguh dagger
wet ruin
but if its rppm, then its still rng, so being in a later phase wouldn't necessarily mean it will proc
night vale
What sort of sims are people pulling nowadays, below 40 corruption?
strange python
Hidden blades or poison bomb for Hivemind?
scarlet sequoia
poison bomb
faint harness
@wet ruin more dmg taken events make it more likely to proc tho
wet ruin
I guess
faint harness
i mean all this surging vit hype is only cus it was prob a better option for lonewolf
i dont play it even tho i have it for a reason
wet ruin
whats your reason
faint harness
i have TA on 485 items which means its base dmg is higher
and nothing beats my severe corruptions
wet ruin
so it just doesn't sim better 😄
faint harness
i have tried to swap to non-severe corruptions since release of 8.3
but nothing beats it
pretty much
but i am done with prog since 5 weeks ago, only play for fun now
not gonna play surging vit for fun
wet ruin
I mean, thats a valid reason, when you said for a reason I thought you meant something else
yea, same
faint harness
wathcing TA get nutty procs is more fun
wet ruin
like I said, I would rather take the tentacle rng and hope for the best
strange python
Thank you for all the answers
faint harness
fleet anchor
I’ve used it for N’zoth some weeks for sure depending on my resist amounts
And how it fits in
Since I have a 475 bracer with a socket with it. So it tends to pop up now and again.
wet ruin
@faint harness did you play sub on n'zoth 
wet ruin
madlad
wet ruin
not going down huh?
faint harness
nah
i was planned to go down in psychus2 but i kept dying cus of lack of sustain
so we swapped in a DH from psychus 1, but i didnt get to go down psychus1
so chasing tentacles for 200+ pulls in p1
not very fun
faint harness
well
our other rogue isnt using vendetta on psychus
so it would have been the same i guess
faint harness
nah on the psychus
in the downphase
so you get the crit when it dies -> instant boss anyway
might be like 3-4 stacks ish, in difference
wet ruin
comparing it to what
faint harness
being upstairs and stacking since min 1
wet ruin
ah
well stacking is better for boss damage for sure
I usually get to 10+
for each stun phase
faint harness
ye mine was prob a bit lower than that, cant remember
around 8-9
it was a lot more annoying to stack it as sub tho
wet ruin
some pulls you get to 15
wet ruin
yea, I just keep bleeds at all times
faint harness
same-ish
wet ruin
stacks pretty high
faint harness
it might have dropped a few times
but i tried to keep some dmg rolling on it
i did not enjoy the bossfight tho
p1 was simply too long if you didnt do psychus, and vendetta is a trash CD for the tentacles
they always die before you get full usage
faint harness
do you sit on it?
wet ruin
yea
wet ruin
what do you mean
wet ruin
I think I tried and couldn't
faint harness
like ye the value is shit, but its more than 0
wet ruin
so i just saved my second vendetta on boss
faint harness
i had terrible tentacle rng on first kill
did 500k dmg to nzoth
over the entire fight
wet ruin
when do you use vendetta on the tentacles though
faint harness
hmm
i dunno if i remember wrong
but i think it was during prog when i was running vop minor
on kill i actually didnt use it twice
lusty swallow
Hey all, new here. Was just about to swap to outlaw to test it out when I came across this place! Currently sitting at 440ilvl, sim tops at 35.5k, ran heroic nya with guild last night and was lucky to pull 15k in hivemind. Chalk it up to total nub, thought i had rotations decent but kept botching some things throughout fight. Hope to learn some from everyone here 😄
prisma monolithBOT
lusty swallow
Yeah, it was bad and i feel bad. Lol
neon glen
How much ilvl for m+ does the 3xSS, 3xEB make up for? Currently sitting on 3x365 ilvl pieces with 2xSS, 2xEB, NP, DD and wondering if I should spend residiuum on 365 pieces to get 3xSS/3xEB or just wait till tuesday and hope for good roll on 480 piece
frosty obsidian
!WA
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
lusty swallow
Oh nice timing as im looking at setting up elvui and weak auras hah
humble locust
Hello everybody. Is anyone here who speaks Polish?
I have a problem with my rogue and I would like to advise here what to do to have a larger dps
sim with no buff
strange python
is void ritual better than TA at 2+ targets on raden? i could put in 1 more void ritual 35 corruption and swap it out for my TA 35 corruption
is there a way to sim this?
dark crag
TA does dmg regardless of targets. It maybe hit an add or orb but they need to die too. The tentacle doesn't despawn when its target dies
surreal bolt
strange python
yeah im basically asking at how many targets the stats are better than the TA dmg or how to sim for it
dark crag
Raden mythic?
strange python
yes
dark crag
I sticked to raden and let the mages wl, dh and warri do the adds
Maybe a bleed on the adds
You can ofcourse sim like beastlord or hectic add cleave just to look. Also inform yourself if others use vr
fathom swift
Cleave add is probably closer to raden than hac or beastlord
strange python
the highest assa used void ritual thats why the question popped up to begin with ill only rupture and garrote the add anyway
dark crag
Someone should make a customizable setting. Add number, spawntimes, etc. That would be really nice
Like you can set the fight exactly like you want
fathom swift
You can in simc, its not super hard to learn
cobalt pelican
the issue isn't setting up the fightstyle tbh, it's more that like 30 of the 36 specs wouldn't even work i don't think
fathom swift
Its just the behaviour might not be what you would expect yeah
dark crag
Why wouldn't they work?
I am no programming pro but isn't the core just if else?
5 targets for 5 min or 2 for 1 and 3 for last 2 mins, would that really brake it?
fleet anchor
@wet ruin does look like they fixed the proc rate for Vitality on Xanesh though.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2m8TyjzLNnhQ6rkd#fight=45&type=auras&ability=318211
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/C2XQDwGjJLpPYt4R#fight=8&type=auras&ability=318211
Also seems fine on Shadhar:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mrf2hb3A1d9j4WB6#fight=48&type=auras&translate=true&ability=318211&source=18
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VLrTRBfJjx1XqpFP#fight=41&type=auras&translate=true&ability=318211
And also Drestagath:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vztNX1CbJFyVRhYq#fight=54&type=auras&translate=true&ability=318211&source=289
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7r69WmxbH4f8wZKJ#fight=62&type=auras&translate=true&ability=318211
Vexionia:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZmnPNhMvf13HxWr2#fight=64&type=auras&translate=true&ability=318211 (Arms Warrior died and was brez)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qz2TAFvf4bCaDyMd#fight=10&type=auras&translate=true&ability=318211&source=9
(40-45% or so, high P2)
Ra-den:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/97yDCgxHjf3WGtnm#fight=11&type=auras&translate=true&ability=318211
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7QkmvczDB4hwntTM#fight=9&type=auras&translate=true&ability=318211
(Seems around 30% average, but high P2 uptime)
Ilgy:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R8PwcH7dDaTLvV3B#fight=4&type=auras&translate=true&ability=318211
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fqdvj21BcrzCDatY#fight=4&type=auras&ability=318211
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9vyjYtPpBQN4zn8b#fight=56&type=auras&translate=true&ability=318211
(Would estimate around 40-45% once the DoTs start going out on everyone and adds start exploding past 2 minute, not much in the first 2 minutes)
So TL;DR, I'd say it's pretty good on the majority if fights. It's going to be low in the 30s on Wrathion and Hivemind, maybe Maut. Not strong at the start of Ilgy/Vex/Ra-den but kicks in later. 50%+ on the other fights.
Also of note, confirmed it does proc from standing in your own Eye of Corruption
wet ruin
its still rng, there are also some < 30% on those fights as well
so pretty much like tentacles
fleet anchor
I mean of course it is RNG, but that is all corruptions
The variance here is generally lower than TA though
1 RPPM has crazy high variance
wet ruin
the question was more how to sim it
fleet anchor
TA is all over the place
wet ruin
since it can be like 30% or 60%
fleet anchor
I would say sim for what fights you care to sim for. I would sim 50% generally and then check to see if there is some big corruption set difference at 35%
And maybe make two sets
Personally I'd lean towards using it on Ilgy/Carapace/N'zoth/Drest/Shadhar/Xanesh/Skitra as effective ~45-50%, Ra-den/Vex probably would view that way too since P2 uptime is of most concern (obviously not gonna proc in intermission flyovers)
Also probably worth strategically standing in low stack Eye of Corruption pools slightly more aggressively on some of the fights 😛
wet ruin
the question is if its gonna be better than the tentacle, considering both of them have some variance
fleet anchor
Well that is only something that sims can tell you, so that's why I was looking for rough target values for people to input. 🙂
wet ruin
I mean, the sim can tell me the average for the tentacle
and for SV I need to guess if I will have 30% uptime or 50%
or do both those sims, and get the mean or something
fleet anchor
I don't think you have to guess, it's just per-fight. You know the fight you are equipping the gear for, so it's not an unknown factor.
wet ruin
yea, but those fights are just "you can get good uptime on this fight", doesn't mean you will
fleet anchor
It's OK to sim the average for SV for the fight, TA is being averaged out as well. It's apples to apples.
TA can give you 6% one pull and 30% the other pull
You don't manually select that, you just consider the mean
wet ruin
yea, exactly and its gonna be the same with SV, will I get more procs and keep 50% or will I get no procs (even on a fight with alot of dmg), and is tentacle rng better than sv rng
fleet anchor
Any encounter with enough trigger attempts will converge on ~50% because it is RPPM
wet ruin
well then this should be true for tentacle
fleet anchor
Just like Tentacles converge on 1 RPPM on average
wet ruin
and in reality I've had 0 procs on 3 min fights
fleet anchor
1 RPPM is notoriously high variance
wet ruin
it is yes
fleet anchor
TA is probably one of the most random things in the game 😦
wet ruin
my point is that it can happen to SV
fleet anchor
SV it is less likely though because it is 2 RPPM at least.
Chance per trigger is generally higher
wet ruin
so its weather you wanna go with the 'slightly better consistent rng' or just blast with 3 tentacles in your opener 😄
fleet anchor
Like if you really want to fish for parses you run TA because it has pretty much the highest top-end when you get good RNG, even if the average case is mediocre most pulls 😛
But that's also why I don't personally like it all that much for prog
But it is what it is. Corruption is quite RNG in general.
wet ruin
yea, I am mostly looking for farm, done with progress for a couple of weeks
so something like tentacle could be fun when it procs
stray folio
!coral
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
wet ruin
I would prefer to have a couple more GW or % stat, but what can you do
wet ruin
yes, I thought about it as well
but I only have one
that is rank 1
and with it I have less versa 🙂
faint harness
I can equip 18% vers items
i mean 18% from corruption
and i got 475 dagger with T3 SV
but then i lose 485 TA
might try it at some point tho
wet ruin
imagine having 2 of those
faint harness
half-assed try to equip all vers procs/vers gems in sub
just 2.5k less dps 🙂
with 10 more corr
faint harness
a lot less rng tho
candid jasper
Hey folk, any one able to take a look at why I'm simming so low? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2VKtygpcvhk3az2ciurNYa
royal lantern
i hate you
wet ruin
low 
faint harness
trolling or what
candid jasper
No lol, sorry
faint harness
ur playing 1 SS in shoulders, very strnage
candid jasper
I mean, my other rogue pals in the guild are simming around 95k
I can't get anywhere near that
fathom swift
I doubt it
drifting cloud
doubt
rancid bobcat
infinite stars
wet ruin
those rings though....
royal lantern
maybe 95k with like rank9IS and 300corruption
fathom swift
Hitting 95k as assa is like either insane gear or insane corruption
wet ruin
no such thing as insane gear, only corruption
candid jasper
One moment
rancid bobcat
im 94k with 125 corruption worth of infinite stars
and could probably push to 95k if i socketed the rest of my gear
so yeah you need like full socket full IS
rancid bobcat
thats infinite stars
candid jasper
but when he plays up to 58, he gets 95k
I mean, the sim could be wrong if you guys are sure it's impossible
wet ruin
rank 4 IS
fathom swift
Thats also not 95k
candid jasper
bolas, please read what I wrote shortly after
but @rancid bobcat thanks, that makes sense
rancid bobcat
and a good coral
candid jasper
(I do have similar, I haven't yet had any infinite stars, but been quite lucky with gushing wound x3)
My coral is also pretty decent
wet ruin
will it though
rancid bobcat
i thought it did but i guess not anymore
fathom swift
Yeah I'm skeptical he would gain 4k dps just going up 20 corruption
rancid bobcat
but it's still easier to grab r2 r3 IS than 8x gushing wound
candid jasper
I am under the impression that gushing wound sims best per unit of corruption x
wet ruin
I am not sure if IS was ever better, in terms of dps/corruotion
faint harness
@candid jasper ur correct
but a T3 IS will sim more raw dps
but it also costs 75 corr
candid jasper
hm, interesting, thanks 🙂
rancid bobcat
i think if you really stack the haste, IS still might pull ahead
candid jasper
I seem to be able to keep up, none the less, which is probably because I believe the uptime of gushing wounds is around 60%
rancid bobcat
especially if you fill some corruption with expedient
candid jasper
so on multiple targets, it's better
rancid bobcat
base gear on hero damage doesn't include sockets i believe, and some pieces don't have haste
wet ruin
your gear is insane, those rings 
candid jasper
My traits aren't too amazing to be honest, I haven't got a gorak tul yet
flint gorge
hey fellas i have a question about azurite skills idk which ones to chose i just boosted a rouge and i have the starter stuff they give at 120 gear
candid jasper
@wet ruin yeah those rings! 😄
rancid bobcat
and doesn't have any vers either
candid jasper
I've actually got some strange gems/enchants atnm
wet ruin
you just need to put some sockets/get better vita/azerite and I believe you could be simming 93+
candid jasper
I would love gorak tul's mantle! ❤️
rancid bobcat
always hold residuum for gorak
wet ruin
I mean gorak vs n'zoth
since I got n'zoth I stopped rolling for gorak and started to roll for some SS/EB on head or chest 😄
candid jasper
er, lol, I do have the ones from n'zoth
but for some reason, the corrupted gladiator simmed higher
wet ruin
490?
rancid bobcat
if ur guild cant handle not being able to trade mythic azerite in the 1st week (where you prob dont even have the residuum to buy a random anyway) then idk
wet ruin
yea, thats probably why
candid jasper
I'm not overly happy with my rank 4 twisted appendage either to be honest
The RNG damage is somewhat dumb imo
Hoping I can get more gushing! 😛
candid jasper
fix what sorry? x
faint harness
@rancid bobcat yes you can
rancid bobcat
pretty sure they're done tuning corruption
wet ruin
cuz there is no RNG on it
candid jasper
I can spread gushing across targets in a cleave type situation
wet ruin
its good as it is on just one target
rancid bobcat
i mean it was possible to get enough by mythic week but
that required you to do 2x +18s
candid jasper
Sorry, what do you mean? x
rancid bobcat
or scrap a heroic
candid jasper
ohhh gorak
Yeah I probably should save
It's rather annoying that I rarely see anyone in our group or the guild's other groups getting corruption drops from m+
candid jasper
18s felt tough for me at the start of this tier :p
We managed a 22 at the end of last tier
rancid bobcat
like that just depends on your definition of semi-serious
faint harness
dont have to time it
fading walrus
fathom swift
You could also just do 2 15s and roll a residuum map from islands
rancid bobcat
but you did still need the key
rancid bobcat
meaning you needed to spread around a 23/24 in your guild
i mean yeah, but not every guild has a push group
i was my guild's
im just saying, it's probably wasn't as commonly done as you think
also yeah just roll the residuum map
faint harness
being able to trade mythic azerite is better for the guild than waiting like 6 weeks
for ur bis azerite
fathom swift
Esp if you're gonna clear the raid before you'd even be able to save up enough to buy guaranteed
rancid bobcat
well i mean if you're in that running, sure
you prob did have the keys too
6 weeks this tier is like world 150
actually lower
around world 80
fathom swift
Yeah its not super high, but it was the same most tiers this expac where you weren't gonna save until farm
rancid bobcat
this tier was actually fine given heroic nzoth/carapace azerite allowed you to trade mythic
i mean, i know you world 100 guys gotta do what you gotta do
honest basin
I have a basic sim question. The goal is, of course, to get the highest number, right. If you look at stats weight, then you should always aim at more of the thing on top while taking away the thing on the bottom for it, I guess. Does a well-equipped character have around the same value for all stats if possible ? Since everytime you add your best stat its value goes down, and the others go up. Or am I totally wrong ?
royal lantern
stat values themself are pretty ussules right now cus they change all the time
and all stats are pretty close for assassination right now by default
honest basin
Yeah, but I guess my question is more general, I jsut happened to ask here because I do play Assa now
faint harness
yes
rancid bobcat
@honest basin your idea is kind of correct. but usually the values will even out when the stats are uneven
and there are some cases where 1 stat just never stops being the top
dark niche
i see
honest basin
Thanks Kaite, but yes I of course do not try to have even stats in game, I was talking about the sim value per point only. Not trying to get even stats at all !
Yeah I noticed on some classes one stat is always top. I just wanted to know whether the right attitude was always to go for the top stat, even if as assa it changes every piece of gear, or if it was a msitake to try and have even stats.
iron mica
Quick Question: I am currently on sin, but can't seem to get any dagger drops. I am currently using a 440/380 and sitting at 450ilvl. However, I have a 465 fist weap and 465 one hand axe. Would it be worth from me to switch to outlaw so I can use 465 weaps until I can get some daggers...or will the dps change be lacking? PVE/PVP..Thanks
civic hatch
Makes me want to just go full vers gems enchants
So annoying how corruption skews your stat property now
rancid bobcat
i dont think outlaw does well in pvp at all
but you can run dungeons as outlaw and loot spec for daggers
keen geode
hey guys i have a questioning concerning azerite traits that cause bleeds such as Rezan's fury. Do those bleeds interact with venomous wounds and if so are they worth taking?
keen geode
ah ok thanks. 😄
sonic iris
the top logs are using BotE just wondering if thats the preferred essence or are those logs from rng?
sonic iris
CLF the way to go usually then?
sour glade
BotE pairs really well with vendetta and vop minor, prob have to sim to see what's best for you
sonic iris
👍
tender folio
Hey lads, one question.. Is it smart to run Exsanguinate if you have x3 SS for myth+ ?
vast forum
yes
quasi pewter
its ok yes
tender folio
Thanks
radiant hawk
Hey Guys i see all of your sims with DS, Exsanguinate and SS. But when i sim my char with DS, Exsanguinate and 2x SS its dosn´t work. i have no idea.
quasi pewter
what build sims best for you depends on corruptions etc
restive magnet
How often should I do 4pt ruptures/envenoms? Should I weave in a poisoned knife to top it off to 5?
or just send it with a 4pt rupture/envenom for fluidity
Ive been struggling this lately
low girder
assuming you're not running deeper strat, no, 4 is fine
patent topaz
you shouldnt try to cap with poison knife
or with fok like a dude yesterday
on single target
glacial steppe
Infinite Stars any good for Carapace? Still not sure what to play there
drifting cloud
how much higher does it sim than your non-IS stuff
I played it, deleted people on boss dmg in last phase
but yeah was 1month ago because we extended for nzoth
glacial steppe
hmm, first of all i have to talk to my raidlead and ask if im allowed to go above 39c
but i think its 4-5k difference in sims
subtle tundra
bosses arent really a dps race this tier
and going above 39 corruption on carapace can kill you in last phase
and i'd save cloak in last phase to put insanity bomb somewhere in narnia
strange python
Can someone help me analyze my logs?
Im playing vop major and i have to play first nightmare then the soak
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ftgFCaMmD42kpzhc#boss=2331&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-done
I also have a twitch vod if that helps
warped panther
Does anyone know how should I sim on Boss Fights like Drestagath / Ilgy etc. From my experience I switch between Assassin and Outlaw depending on the fight type.
I want to ask, because I have trouble dealing more damage in fights where they are multiple targets. For example on Vex / Carapace and Hivemind I play Outlaw and for everything else I stick to SIN.
I want also to ask which are the best / good corruptions for SIN (I have Honed Mind | IS3 | Twisted Apendage 2 x2 ).
I currently run VOP build, but would like to try Blood of the Enemy build as well.
Should I maybe play with shrouded suffocation trait and Subterfudge?
Any input will be really helpful to me.
Here is some info - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/42664903
https://raider.io/characters/eu/sylvanas/Silèntdèath
subtle tundra
whats the problem with ilgy? its a ST fight
vast forum
vex and ilgynoth are ST bosses
subtle tundra
also wouldnt play VOP build for prog
vast forum
^ vop major isn't good for progress at all
warped panther
Is vex really ST boss? with the amount of aoe adds that spawn?
vast forum
adds are not rogue job
warped panther
As for Ilgy yeah I can understand that, but still there are some bloods and a lot of movement involved etc.
vast forum
ilgy is fine to sim as patchwerk
warped panther
I am pretty new player tbh, started playing seriously only since BFA 8.3
glacial steppe
@subtle tundra so you think its generally not worth going above 39c on Carapace?
warped panther
So any information I would appreciate, because would want to improve generally.
vast forum
generally not worth going over 39 on any relevant progress
subtle tundra
on vex adds die from passive cleave and add beam
vast forum
BotE major DD build is the most consistent progress build that you should be comfortable with
warped panther
Well on Vex I played outlaw and had to help out quite a bit with cleaving the adds down
subtle tundra
if you dont have fire mages, then yea maybe its better
vast forum
i guess it depends on your group, but if tanks bring the adds on top of vex, they should easily die passively
subtle tundra
also killing big add is bad
warped panther
Also do I understand that correctly?
Stealth (master assassin talent) -> Mutilate -> Rupture -> Mutilate -> Garrote -> Vendetta -> Toxic Blade -> Vanish -> Envenom | Does this sound like a good opener depending the CP you have?
subtle tundra
yes if you get 4 cp from first mutilate
warped panther
Also do you need to Envenom at 4CP or it's fine to overcap with mutilate if you dont have garrote or toxic blade available for pushing to 5 cp
warped panther
Yes I don't do that, but still asking for information
Because envenom at 4CP feels a bit awkward
subtle tundra
it really doesnt
warped panther
Then its completely fine to envenom at 4 ?
subtle tundra
100%
glacial steppe
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2dasL8RCTgmB2CBTqnjLgQ thats my current setup for Carapace, or more like what sims highest with max 39c
even tho I dont understand why Honed sims better than Racing Pulse
warped panther
But still to prio to Envenom at 5 correct?
Also, is Outlaw superior in terms of AOE on fights like Hivemind than Sin?
drifting cloud
yes
subtle tundra
if you have toxic blade up / youre in range of garrote pandemic you use those before envenom
drifting cloud
but your setup might not need you to play outlaw, too much aoe is not always a good thing
subtle tundra
sometimes sin is better for hivemind if you lack boss damage/ravager prio
on reclear i still hold cds for like a min to deal with second ravager and not wipe cause of it
who cares about add dmg when you have fel barrage bois blasting them all
this patch made me care so little about my dps
its insane
warped panther
Okay, anyways
Regarding Drestagath fight exclusively
Should I maybe go a different build and talents/
vernal sand
!help
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
dapper dock
K cool
dapper dock
Why does Icy veins say to do garrote on opener then rupture then garrote again when using shrouded suffocation. Won't second garrote undo first?
shut yacht
To get a longer empowered garrote and the 3 cp afaik
plain thistle
with subterfuge you get 3s to use spells, G > R > G, the last garrote is still in that window, so it gets buffed and you get a longer empowered garrote ticking
dapper dock
Ahhh gotcha
restive magnet
If I have 5cp and Toxic Blade comes up and all my bleeds are full should I envenom or Toxic Blade then Envenom
Prob a dumb question lol
shut yacht
TB>Envenom
shut yacht
That extra CP isn't as big as a lose as generating more CP and energy for the coming TB window
glacial steppe
Wondering if I could tweak my CD usage on Carapace so it fits better in P3. Im currently using my first Vend on the first Eye that spawns next to the P2 entrance. My second Vend goes on a solo Synthesis Growth. My 3rd usually gets rdy 10s before the 2nd Infinite Darkness. I dont think I have it ready for Lust tho
crimson palm
Eye should just die without Vendetta
My timings were on pull, after second eye, after first gate and with lust
glacial steppe
We are only 3 DPS there so dunno
crimson palm
That's an issue
crimson palm
Warlocks should be the ones that are in the small group
glacial steppe
The Eye's %?
drifting cloud
yeah
if it doesnt die within 5s after you break the membrane you probably dont ahve enough dmg on it
crimson palm
It should pop instantly
crimson palm
How many warlocks you're running?
glacial steppe
2
crimson palm
Because they can just infernal blast the tentacle in the back
That's enough
Ask your RL for re-assignment
crimson palm
Yeah that's good
But you should be 9-10 ppl there
Depending on comp
We had all our non-cleave ST in it
Eye died in 7-8 seconds
glacial steppe
Uh we running 3 Hunters, 2 DH, 2 Mages, 2 Locks, 2 Rogues, 1 Warrior, 1 Owl, 1 FDK
My group is me, 2 DHs, Monktank and Disc
crimson palm
That's exactly the same composition as ours actually 😄
Instead our DK is unholy
2x Rogue 1 DH 1 Warr 1 DK1 Moonkin 1 MageFirst
Between 3h Hunt 1x Mage 1x DH
2 Locks and 1 boomie in the back
you should never have to use vendetta on gaze
glacial steppe
It kinda works, we get somewhat frequent in P3 but I feel like we lack lots of boss damage and as I said Id like to have CDs for Lust
Best try was ~8:40, 4%
glacial steppe
Hmm
crimson palm
Vendetta around 4:30 and 6:30 lust
glacial steppe
our P3 begins at 4:30/4:40 I think lol
crimson palm
With the timings I shared, vendetta was just coming up for P3
Meaning we cleared the rooms in <2 mins
And the second vendetta was enough to transition him without waiting for mindbombs
glacial steppe
I probably cant use my CDs differently because I highly doubt that they suddenly assign different for P1
Idk, I wish my Raidlead was somewhat transparent so Id know what strategy hes following
dapper dock
Do you guys use empowered envenoms when u vanish besides opener? or just empower garrote rupture then 2nd garrote in subterfuge window?
The icy veins guide really confusing me
strange python
What's an empowered envenom?
dapper dock
Activate  Vanish on cooldown if using  Subterfuge or with 5 Combo Points in order to facilitate  Master Assassin-empowered  Envenoms.
Sorry I said it wrong but same thing
strange python
Thats what confused me
What you linked there is for MA
And your question also talked about Subterfuge
dapper dock
It's for both
strange python
Ah yeah, it's for either
But still your question implies to use both ?
I don't get your question
dapper dock
No sorry
dapper dock
What's option a?
strange python
With Subterfuge you Vanish -> garrote
dapper dock
Garrote rupture garrote again? Everytime I vanish?
strange python
With MA you TB -> Vanish -> envenom -> mutilate envenom Spam
I mean, yeah you can vanish garrote rupture garrote with Subterfuge
If your rupture is low
But If not, No need
dapper dock
Ok
After the opening sequence. Do I use vanish the same when using vendetta/bote?
Like everytime cds up?
Always fit a vanish into vendetta window to re apply garrote?
dapper dock
I'm curious cuz using vop minor so vendetta is less.
restive magnet
Should I be refreshing my bleeds as close as I can to them running off or as soon as my Weakauras shows them in the pandemic time period
subtle tundra
anywhere in that time is good
vestal granite
So been playing a lot of ass rogue lately, and sometimes my Shadowstep refuses to cast at all. What gives?
Also wonder about Blood of the enemy opener. Is it just Toxic blade > BotE > vanishEnvenom Mut Env?
quasi ledge
Quite a few places just say no path available, even first boss room in Siege quite often says cannot use while mounted. Just bugged in/to some areas
And yes, TB before BotE
vestal granite
well the shadowstep happens both in open world and battlegrounds where it just does not shadowstep even at like 5 yards clear vision. Sometimes It DOES use it and instead jumps to a random different target (I think allies pref but Idk)
no indication as to why
😦
quasi ledge
Using a mouse over?
quasi ledge
Literally never had it randomly step a different target, only accidently using a mouse over and I've clipped another hit box while aiming it
dapper dock
Do i use vendetta with every bote and vanish?
vestal granite
^ is it ever better to use bote on cd or keep it for vendetta?
quasi ledge
Hold BotE and line up
quasi ledge
If using VoP then they line up anyway and then most of the time just Vanish on CD separate, although that can/might change with SS traits etc
dapper dock
If I'm using vanish to re apply for empowered garrote. When do I use vendetta/bote?
quasi ledge
If you have SS traits you hold Vendetta until Vanish is up and use together (or at least used to), but then VoP minor becomes useless. Don't quote me though, not used SS in raids since Uldir
vestal granite
On a quest with Finn. I can step HIM but no enemies)
this is so frustrating, sending ticket
leaving combat seems to have worked.. but that is not helpful when pvping for example
quasi ledge
No idea, never had it just stop working
vestal granite
was hoping this was somewhat common and fixed 😦
tropic eagle
is TBing with max combo points fine but not optimal right
tropic eagle
for every envenom i should also pool enough energy for 2 mutilates right? and never be in a situation where you have to refresh garrote/ruptue with TB up
civic palm
You should moreso think about Toxic Blade coming up and making sure DoTs are healthy and you have enough energy for 2+ Envenoms during that window.
tacit steppe
^^^
woven pine
yeah what mize said
civic palm
By no means let Energy cap, but also do your best to plan ahead.
woven pine
you can pop off abit if you have a vita proc
woven pine
but just make sure your ruptures minimum 14s to give you time to reapply, try to pandemic it at like 9 for 30% extra duration though
tacit steppe
I usually just pool about 60-70% energy before TB envenoms, don’t think about the mutilated too much bc you can get lucky with haste procs or crits from the mut and get into a mut env mut env mut env chain
tropic eagle
what currently bugs me atm is sometimes i catch myself in a situation where i used TB but then rupture is coming down to 8s
woven pine
yeah ideally you want to reapply rupture there, thats where the pooling comes in though
tacit steppe
It’s ok to refresh rupture early if the alternative is it falling off during TB window
woven pine
yeah
thats why i said like 14s minimum when you have that overlap, gives you time to reapply and then pool a little with some CPs for that envenom spam in TB
thats personally though
patent topaz
you arent going to play around vita
only build id say its useful to see the buff is exsang
civic palm
If you have the energy regen then you are playing around not capping anyway and it changes nothing, IMO.
woven pine
no but if you do get a proc during pooling and you aren't capped on combo points or need to refresh rupture to give you breathing space, do so
woven pine
I'm talking out of personal experience where your cut between, waiting for TB to come off CD, at high energy already, ruptures going to drop like 2s after TB does what do etc.
tropic eagle
awesome miz
really great info
last question, 4 point rupture refresh, should i use throw for the last cp to get a 5 pt
woven pine
I've seen people in a mastery build do it on multi-add fights where a target out of range of them needs a poison reapplying to them but other than that, not really, don't waste the energy and lost combo points for 1 combo point in most cases, same with envenom
tropic eagle
hmm man that brings up more questions
tacit steppe
Only time I’ve seen people do that is with envenom in pvp for system shock
tacit steppe
Yeah they’re just doing it to get the benefit from system shock, nothing else
tropic eagle
so 4 point rupture refreshes are fine up until what point?
woven pine
just wasted energy
tacit steppe
There’s not a point, it does the same dps just increases timer
tropic eagle
so its only bad to refresh early
woven pine
its just better to refresh and try pandemic the next one with 5, you're heavily relying on 'good' seal fates to give you a consistent 5 on rupture
tacit steppe
Essentially the benefit is not having to rupture as much with longer timers saving energy, but you’ll waste more resources spending the energy to get the extra cp in that instance
tropic eagle
ok that makes sense, but refreshing rupture/garrote early is a damage loss right?
woven pine
always try to refresh at 30% of the duration
civic palm
Not if you are doing so to NOT lose DMG during a burst window.
woven pine
except in cases where you're bursting
tacit steppe
In a vacuum, yes, but like we said earlier, it’s not as bad as it falling off during tb
So do it if you’re prepping for that
tropic eagle
well the reason im asking is cause i saw it on wow analyzer it said i lost like 8 seconds of rupture from refreshing too early
woven pine
yeah get a weakaura that helps identify to you the pandemic window
tropic eagle
its unrelated to what i was asking earlier about TB etc
yeah I do
for garrote/rupture
tacit steppe
Yeah but it can’t calculate if you did it because you knew that was coming up, it’s a robot
civic palm
wowanalyzer isn't in current development IIRC so it's giving you information without telling you why.
for assassination^
tropic eagle
Ok good to know cause it was telling me i was completely wrong TBing on 5 combo points and i knew i read i think on ravenholdt its fine to
civic palm
Ye, wowanalyzer isn't kept up to date IIRC, so while it seems to function it doesn't provide useful feedback.
tropic eagle
for single target are you guys stacking tentacles
tacit steppe
I just use whatever sims best
For pure ST
Corruption is a chance to proc on gear, with a random corruption, with a random rank, on random ilvls of gear, so hard to say “stack this”
tropic eagle
yeah ive been hoping and preying for a r3 star on weapon or ring but havent seen a single one
got a r3 TD on a 415 world quest ring its actually putting in work on hivemind prog
tacit steppe
And star is one of the ones that scales with ilvl
So if you’re looking at a fight like shadar, just sim top gear
tropic eagle
i might even consider using stam flask for more TD damage idk about that lol
tacit steppe
Naw not worth
tropic eagle
yeah shadhar i stacked triple mindflay it melted him
we did shad first instead of hive kind of weird but whatever
tacit steppe
That’s what normal guilds do
We did hivemind then shadar and was weird lol
We spent way more time on hivemind than shadar
tropic eagle
what do you use vendetta on vs hive?
tacit steppe
We raid like 6 hours a week and shadar was like 3 hours... lol
I played outlaw on hivemind so idk the answer to that
tropic eagle
yeah thats prob most ideal went thru 5 raden kills with loot spec on outlaw and no weapon
tacit steppe
I got one to drop, bonus rolled other
But if I was just spitballing I’d just use it on whatever boss you were on as long as darters weren’t coming up
Assuming they make you swap to those
tropic eagle
yeah ive been doing that and the ravengers not too sure whats best but working on it such an easy fight but you know how it goes with some guilds
crude compass
Hey there fellow stalkers. Got my rogue 120 recently and i've got a question. Which of the essences should i get for assasination?
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
warped panther
I just saw a mythic nozth assassination pov.
The guy was using envenom at 3CP during Toxic Blade.
Is that bad or ok?
Basically what he did was
Toxic Blade - Mutilate - Envenom -Mutilate - Envenom
So he can squeeze as much envenoms as he can, but I feel like envenom on 3 cp is bad
Is that correct?
arctic walrus
nah that's pretty bad
jaunty crystal
If you want to fit in 3 envenoms
It’s better to have the combo points ready before you TB, and pool above 100 energy or so.
dense axle
Pool that shit
jaunty crystal
That mutilate immediately after he tbs is a nono for sure
dense axle
Energy is important. But I have had openers where I just keep spamming env after a single mut, and I swear it always puts me on top for burst
nimble mesa
In an ideal world, one pools energy before TB cooldown is ready. If it gets ready and you have 10 energy (and 4 cp), do you wait 100 energy to TB or do you immediately go TB ? In one case you'd save a few seconds on your next TB, on the other, your tb window will be better, so would need to know what sims suggest since both sound legit 🤔
tropic ocean
always on cd
if you have 10 energy when tb comes off cd you played bad before and should fix that
last ingot
im coming back after 8.2. my question is: What essences should i take for visions?
gentle oracle
Hello! Would anyone be willing to go over my logs with me so I can understand exactly why I am parsing so bad?
tropic ocean
just post them here
viral forge
a question. I am new with the rogue to start is the assassination or outlaw better?
strange python
outlaw is easier to gear (1 set for all)
molten mesa
that's true
viral forge
but is a lot rng rolls to make dps?
Doesn't it depend a lot on good dice?
gentle oracle
scarlet sequoia
very cool
dusk moat
guys
3ss and 3 eb always was the shit right
now they say blightborne infusion
got none og those
dusk moat
never seen those
tropic ocean
depending on what your group needs
what the affixes are
and what dungeon you are playing
dusk moat
true
tropic ocean
lets say kingsrest your pullsize will naturally be 3-5 targets all the time due to nature of the dungeon
so bbi/heart of darkness will be far superior to eb
dusk moat
but i havent even seen that got like 6 480
tropic ocean
because u dont have enough targets to proc eb good
dusk moat
ah okey man i se what ure saying
tropic ocean
but in stuff like freehold or underrot, motherlode w/e with lots of trash especially in fortified week
3x eb will be out of competition
strange python
guys hey
what are the best azerite pieces for assa rogues? especially for single target.
dusk moat
so blightborn infusion for like kr?
dusk moat
araight man thanks for clraing this up 🙂
tropic ocean
@strange python raden helm, gorak tuls shoulder vexiona chest or if you have access to it carapace/nzoth azerite with vision build
strange python
thank you so much
woven bane
is it still worth to wear the vita trinket even if it sims lower just because of the group buff?
tropic ocean
depends on how much I guess
raven locust
if its the 475 vita then its definitely worth
desert pelican
any competent simcrafters here? assa multitarget patchwerk sim ( like 4-5t 40 second/1 min) for m+) having right apl? cos its used garrote during bote window, and ct in this window too just to refresh EP. + is using garrote more effective than rapture if target lives for all duration, isnt rapture more effective cos of refreshing the EP and with 3 EB traits FoK instead of just using garottedoing more damage on 4+t?
shrewd night
link sim
woven bane
@raven locust and if its 460 with socket?
raven locust
More than likely, whats your other options?
heavy forum
Hi! Hows assa rogues doing now? Wondering to start one as alt
hazy quartz
Anyone else happen to know what their stat weights are? Every time I sim my rogue, I get Crit and Vers being top, then Mastery, then Haste (V-6.58; C-6.48; M-5.81; H-5.63). But when I look at the logs of top rogues, it seems like many of them are stacking Haste, making me rethink my build. Am I missing something?
raven locust
Unless you have % corruptions your stat weights are going to be almost equal to the point where gemming will tip another stat to being higher
hazy quartz
Would it be worth it to seek out a particular corruption % stat?
lean marten
use top gear to determine gear, stat weights are really only good for what food to use
raven locust
You cant really seek out any corruptions lol, if you get %haste its the best of the stat corruptions
lean marten
haste corruptions are more consistent dmg (not proc based) and haste ramps bleed/poison dmg and gives energy regen so its aight. haste stacking is best with the 3xSS exsang builds tho
hazy quartz
That makes a bit more sense. As far as the 3xSS builds go, though, they haven't seemed very appealing to me because on single target fights, aren't you just overwriting
the first application of garote?
static glacier
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
raven locust
You double garrote for the CP on the opener and it gets benefits from pandemic
warped panther
Yo guys, another questions regarding azerite traits.
I have 2 Mutilate + Blightborne + Winds (the one that gives Crit and increases duration depending on howx many crits you do) + Nothing Personal + Heart of Darkness and on patchwork it sims higher than any other combo.
Are they good traits?
For reference check the link - https://raider.io/characters/eu/sylvanas/Silèntdèath
faint harness
those traits are very good yes
scarlet sequoia
ye theyre good but sim urself like with everything else
lean marten
sim ur azerites with MA and Subt to find the top
faint harness
those traits are just nuts
warped panther
thats all?
faint harness
yea
warped panther
lol
600 dps increase
sub build
The opener on sub was slightly different right?
Garrote mut garrote
or when multi target garrotting more enemies? right
static glacier
any tips for farming BGs for honor atm? experienced in BGs but only with BG meta specs (not rogue)?
vast forum
rogue not being bg meta 
dusk narwhal
Would a heroic vita be better than a 475 remote guidance device? Following up on some conversations above has me wondering now even though top gear says no
errant coral
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
worldly sandal
lucid major according to wowhead is up there? is that right?
drifting cloud
assa has alot of good majors, while lucid is probably in the top5 nobody really runs it
lean marten
memory is a must-have minor
rancid bobcat
most of the value of lucid major is from the minor effect being packaged with it
the herodamage graphs only simulate the essences in a vacuum. while in reality, you will be adding 1 of those major+minor bars and 3 of the minor only bars
urban spire
I've tried to play sin for a while, but it feels janky because Mutilate costs so much more energy than lets say sinister strike, am I doing something wrong?
civic palm
😐 .
vast forum
in case it wasn't obvious, don't play venom rush, it was a joke
urban spire
I figured
strange python
What’s the best to gear towards in raiding? ST or AOE?
tropic ocean
as sin for sure st
royal lantern
st
tropic ocean
can go aoe in hivemind if needed but might as well just play outlaw
royal lantern
you take assassination for st dmg, not for aoe in raiding
tropic ocean
cuz you'll sacrifice a lot less st
strange python
So pretty much Haste>Mastery>Vers?
civic palm
Odds are they are all similar >_>
strange python
Okay thanks guys
peak jungle
So i'm going to try swapping over to BotD from Lucid for a major as it's simming 2.1k higher. Is there a guide anywhere on how to use it in my opener rotation? I didn't see anything about it in the pins.
royal lantern
why did you use lucid major anyway
peak jungle
I'm a stubborn bastard who hates change
An TBF, it honestly performed pretty well in conjunction with Razor Coral - unlimited mutilate -> envenom spam for that window
dapper dock
What's our ideal azerite trait set up for m+?
royal lantern
lucid mahor was never good lol
idk why you hate change for stuff that was never really good
fleet whale
It's not so much it's bad, there are just better traits
peak jungle
I mean, maybe I just got lucky, but I actually managed mostly orange parses so far with lucid
but I think i'll go Blood as a major now
fleet whale
it's not like ripple in space or unbound force, you can do good damage with it
BoTE and CLF just steroid up your vendetta, and a big chunk of assassin's damage come from vendetta windows
while VOP has very high damage potential, and Breath can deal insane damage
dark whale
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
static glacier
@vast forum Afaik at most rated BG teams run one rogue if not none? my experience of rogue is almost fully pve, so idk if they have a specific role that's valuable?
if they've got a good niche to contribute then tell me so I can do it
previous BG experience mainly on MW monk / balance / resto druid.
vast forum
rated bgs always have 1 rogue at least
static glacier
I've never seen a team with two, usually one or none
fading wigeon
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
static glacier
I guess smoke bomb is valuable for both peel and focus?
vast forum
double rogue used to be the meta but not as much recently
static glacier
I'd still argue in random BGs rogues ain't really very valuable, much less than co-ordinated environments
scarlet sequoia
tropic sand
guys, do you use your finishers with 4 combo points aswell or only with 5? (both pvp and pve)
in other words: its ok to spend only 4 cp?
to prevent overcap cp
tropic sand
all finishers?
white wyvern
Yes.
PvP you can make the argument to PK at 4 CP in order to apply System Shock with Envenom. However, you would do this for the slow System Shock applies not for the damage.
tame tangle
If you’re at 4 cp with tb coming up right then you should tb before envenom ya
white wyvern
If you won't cap energy the answer is yes wait for TB. If you will cap energy then you don't wait.
deep meteor
Hi I'm struggling to choose between corruption for a total of 50 I could go IS or TA2+RP1. IS is simming higher but I heard it was kind of a sim trap?
deep meteor
but for exemple on Nzoth, should I go TA+RP?
tropic ocean
is is not really valuable on nzoth
deep meteor
Alright, thank you!
drifting cloud
IS is fine on nzoth please dont spread misinfo
it depends what other stuff you have mostly
tropic sand
ty guys\
tropic ocean
vast forum
IS can be good if you RNG into some procs on him
static glacier
@scarlet sequoia ? it's very clear why rogues suffer more than some other melee in uncoordinated group pvp than other melee, no need for the dumb ass emote.
adds nothing to the discussion
vast forum
rogues are more efficient against uncoordinated groups than against coordinated ones tho
also, assa is 1 of the best sustained aoe specs for stuff like silvershard mines
wet ruin
is the breath major on like 7-8 players or so used at the same time a thing in rbgs
I can imagine it will be enough to one shot someone
or maybe from 50% or something
static glacier
I'd argue that the value of smokebomb / rogue control is reduced if there's no one going in on it, more than the idea that people won't peel.
my experience today playing Random compared to rated is that you get peeled less in rated due to your team ccing on your engage / smokebomb while in random you get no follow up and no peel from your team ccing for you when you go hard.
this is all anecdotal though
and I agree, sin aoe can be solid IF there isn't a holy paladin.
hazy quartz
Does anyone happen to know if Battle Squawk still works? Just wasn't sure if it's still worth it to include it with the pre-pot.
rancid bobcat
Battle squawk, what
karmic fjord
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
hazy quartz
From the Gnomish Battle Chicken? It's an engineering trinket that has a use effect of spawning a battle chicken that will fight along with you and has a chance to cast Battle Squawk on the whole raid which increases attack speed by 5% for 4 minutes.
grim trellis
hey fellas. I was wondering does Simulationcraft have any advantages over a website like Raidbots? it just seems Raidbots is much easier to use so was wondering if there were downsides
cobalt pelican
raidbots is just a frontend for simulationcraft
it formats the input for you, then gives you the output of simc in a nice neat bundle
fading wigeon
is CT okay this week in TD?
about to do a 20
Or just play it safe with poison bomb
tropic sand
Guys, another question: it's ok to TB at 5 CP? (both pvp and pve)
shy dust
Idk about pvp but for pve it’s fine
tacit steppe
Straight from the pinned guide
little sandal
does mastery increase ur envenom damage
shy dust
Yes
tacit steppe
lol did he delete his question
sudden canyon
waxen socket
How would u guys rate assa vs outlaw on Ra-Den
And ye big sexy I play around 50ish
Depends on the key level and dungeon
rancid bobcat
if for some reason your guild needs help on the adds go outlaw
otherwise go assassination
tropic sand
Ty, Berry
waxen socket
Cool
hollow talon
what are some upgrades i can prioritize to up my DPS?
just got the mechagon haste ring set
focusing on single target for now
spark oyster
get a coral
willow sundial
^
arctic walrus
more corruption, better azerite, more sockets
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
arctic walrus
"aiming for" sure
brisk forge
You’ll get decent amount of them in m+
crimson palm
If you find a way to aim for it, share it here we'll look at you as a god
sterile ocean
@low ocean if ya want a good pair of daggers go for cara's
low ocean
@sterile ocean I was going for the ones in tol dagor but it wasn't working
karmic fjord
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
hollow talon
i did like 20+ tol dagors in season 2 to get those daggers
absolutely brutal lol
only took 1 run this season w assa loot spec
i have a theory that the game gives you good loot when your game time is expiring
versed mica
Why do so many people run bote for st? It never sims very high for me
Then why the fuck do we even bother simming? Lmao
raven mica
Also on a lot of those fights, especially if it’s on heroic they don’t want to burn tomes on a boss by boss basis so they just use the most versatile one, which is bote
Frost DKs and feral Druids do the same thing
quiet ginkgo
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
icy girder
anyone know the 2 twist 2 echo 2 ss azerite combo list?
weak basalt
Hey guys I'm kinds confused on how subterfuge works I'm new and just hit 120
shrewd night
Whats confusing about it?
weak basalt
Am I supposed to spam garrotte (assuming its single target)
Or just apply and continue rotation ?
shrewd night
You can fill three GCD's after hitting vanish. Meaning the optimal would be garrote x garrote, where x depends on combopoints.
weak basalt
Thank you I wasnt sure wether its work using it more then once till I fill combo points ^^
amber talon
How do you line up vanish and vendetta when using vision of perfection? For the first one it’s easy, but then vendetta will come off CD before vanish does. I’m guessing use of vendetta on CD but then do you delay the vanish to align it with the 3rd vendetta? Even if you’re running MA as a talent ?
Or do you slightly delay vendetta so that you’re vanish will come off CD for you to use it in the last remaining seconds of the vendetta buff ?
amber talon
Ok thanks
sterile ocean
@low ocean ahh
lean marten
gotta tie up the noose first
unreal kayak
When is us reset
plain thistle
I don't like to hold disappointment
vivid topaz
hi folks
friendly warrior popping in, in peace
trying to help a friend i just got into the game he's buying his first 475 piece today and mains sin just wondering what the best slot to roll for (if any) for best odds of a good M+ piece is
hollow talon
US reset is 2 min ago
vivid topaz
i checked the best pieces+traits on the wowhead guide but i know that sometimes some slots have better odds for good traits
lean marten
hmmm i'm not sure
vivid topaz
ok thanks for help 🙂