if you wanna push it to the top, you will need multiple gearsets for assa for m+
#assassination
marble hemlock
latent delta
I'm not quite following.. Wdym by the last part?
And frankly I don't actually know, this will be my first time getting into mythics
untold current
Is 3x SS the play on vexiona? Looking at the logs almost all are running it.
arctic walrus
If you actually need the cleave on the adds, but it's a pretty pad build if you do have the damage. It's mostly a ST fight, with a high focus on the last phase, which doesn't have any adds
hoary apex
is streaking stars worth keeping in M+?
arctic walrus
For boomie's sure 🙂
hoary apex
lol infinite star I meant
sudden trench
Not really, maybe on tyran on some keys like kr
untold current
@arctic walrus 4 target patcherk for simming?
mental elbow
if im running echoing blades is master poisner better for aoe or elaborate planning?
arctic walrus
Ep always
tacit apex
Ep always, and you keep it up by rupture or envenom
mental elbow
Is 1 echoing blades worth to keep for aoe or is it not worth it?
arctic walrus
In m+? 1eb is the standard I’d say
mental elbow
ok awesome thank youi
mental elbow
its still extra aoe dps tho is why i thought
warm drift
Yeah 2+ eb if u need the aoe. But one eb does not make a difference on aoe.
vast forum
The jump from 1 to 2 eb is (in absolute terms) the same as the jump from 0 to 1
You don't get more dps per trait if you stack ebs
warm drift
Sure. But i would rather focus on more cleave, prio dmg then take 1 eb for more aoe
But that's just me.
mental elbow
would u do more dps on cleave or aoe u think?
warm drift
Well i could have said it wrong. It all depends on ur grp setup and other azerite u have available. And affixes for sure. If ur grp has good aoe i personally prefer more st\prio dmg. If not maybe eb is the play. But dunno if only one eb is good then.
Maybe @vast forum knows more
vast forum
I'm not disagreeing with going for more st/cleave if that's what you need in your grp
I'm just saying, if you only have the option between 0 and 1 eb and you're doing a non-kr/ws key, 1 eb is better than 0
mental elbow
x2 double x2 personal
and either shroud and twist knife or shroud and echoing blade
distant mist
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mental elbow
what instead?
pseudo hamlet
What's the best azerite combination for M+? If you had to choose one combination(no matter what week, tyra/fort).
pseudo hamlet
And one TTK?
low lodge
Yes
Optimal would probably be 3 ss 1 eb 1 ttk 1 hod
Pure overall dmg would be 3 eb 3 ss tho
pseudo hamlet
Got chest with SS/TTK, shoulders with EB/TTK and 2 helms - one with EB/blightborne infusion and second with SS/TTK.
Not sure which one is better, but I guess the difference would be miniscule?
mental elbow
i tried to sim it and its either TTK or EB and it sims TTK higher?
pseudo hamlet
@low lodge just what I thought, will go with additional EB then 🙂
strange python
Is there a way to get good self-healing on assasination rogue?
radiant seal
Ehm use ur vial. Leeching poison is also an option but dunno if i would run that over CD/Elu
I only use leeching in visions
How many vision runs u guys running? For the corruption gear with the decrease in ilvl
sullen sphinx
Is it abnormal for a 430 font to sim higher than a 460 vita?
low lodge
No, font is really good for assa
flat wadi
should you only ahve 1 nothing personal?
faint harness
crimson palm
How's infinite star performing on ra-den?
Trying to decide between 2x TA build vs IS, difference in sim is 3.5k dps
strange python
considering double adds TA should be better then?
faint harness
p1 has 2-3 targets for most of it
crimson palm
Ye I know, we progressed until intermission
But since the burn matters the most, not sure if I can get decent IS value there
faint harness
sure, but it shouldnt last long
then again TA is just full RNG as well
pick ur poison
crimson palm
I also have a rank 3 TD, is it even good
Additional cleave in p1 for -2k ST dps in p2
faint harness
No
I wouldnt use it at least
The only add dmg i did on ra den was from subt buffed garrotes unless it was void hunter nuke
scarlet sequoia
even void hunter is harmless now
tropic ocean
by the time u reach last phase raden will most likely be fully stacked
I tried infinite stars on carapace yesterday which has a lot more targets than raden and by the time hitting p3 mostly 6-9 stacks on boss
Td is pretty much useless for raden all you do is focus down kill add, multidot raden other add and repeat depending on setup might need to dps orb as well, i dont due to enough rdps
crimson palm
Ye I'm switching on the second orb
1 and 3 are dealt by cds
Gonna try a few pulls with IS, see how many stacks he gets I guess
tropic ocean
Carapace over 22 pulls t2 infinite so yeah
Should be way up higher on raden (these are early p3 wipes so lots of boss downtime) just to showcase its not bad even in cleave/mt scenarios
woven bane
do you keep blood of the enemy for vendetta or not?
tropic ocean
Usually yes
woven bane
aight thanks
faint harness
2k dps is definitely not what its simming like tho
zinc coyote
When I grow up
faint harness
@crimson palm dunno if that was aimed at me
but i was replying to ausgelebt IS logs
crimson palm
Oh lmao
faint harness
if ur IS is doing 2k dps overall its way below what it sims like
crimson palm
Additional cleave in p1 for -2k ST dps in p2
XD
faint harness
ye figured you meant that
crimson palm
It seems to be 50% of envenom dps btw
I'd look at relative numbers
which should be ok
faint harness
what seems to be 50% of envenom
i'm only talking about what % of ur dmg IS is doing in ST 5 min sims and therefore what dps its doing
compared to how it performs on these bosses
i dont have a T2 IS so i dunno how much dps its supposed to do
but 50 corruption for 2.2k dps seems expensive to me
quick cobalt
Hi, how can i sim my dungeon dps ? heard dungeon slice sim wasn't good for assa rogue, what do u think ?
white wyvern
You can't sim it well.
There is a script in the #wow-general pins you can try. Still not reliable though. There are too many variables in dungeons to sim it properly.
quick cobalt
Yeah of course, i just want something to sim it as best as possible. Dungeon slice looks not good. Thx 🙂
white wyvern
Dungeon Slice is bad.
It doesn't give you restealths.
Which will severely devalue our best M+ trait.
faint harness
cant you sim different sized aoe packs
in bursts
like 1 min
and then sim 2 ish min ST for dungeon bosses
white wyvern
Mhm.
quick cobalt
Okok thanks mate, gonna try it
pulsar dirge
Hivemind is so chaotic, what build do you prefer for progress ? Also do you ss garrote only the bosses or the adds? Do you keep bote for Vendetta or small adds?
timid coral
with 3x NP + VoP major, does anything change rotationally?
tropic ocean
@faint harness it will increase once the additional targets are gone (eg p3) when it procs on fully stacked mob so
Yeah might be less overall but good dps in the phase where it matters
overall to raden
p2 to raden
😉
faint harness
Was it with t3 is
tropic ocean
idk probably
but it doesnt matter which rank it shows what im saying
in the relevant phase the dps more than doubled
so if u want higher dps in a hard/push phase whatever
its good
faint harness
Tier still matters
But yea its good if you can stack it before
Ran t3 IS a few times on nzoth, and it reached 10 stacks before p2 once out of some 40+ pulls
zinc coyote
God damn 10 stacks before p2
I don’t have IS, does it proc off poisons? Just throw a knife or some shit to keep dmg chance
tropic ocean
it procs of dots afaik yeah
zinc coyote
Nice I need to get a big boy IS to play around with
vagrant tapir
Does the VoP buff have a different spell ID than regular vend?
faint harness
It can proc on nzoth even if you're not actively hitting him, cus its completely rng
@zinc coyote also want to clarify that i mean mythic
zinc coyote
Yes I figured
10 stacks before p2 on anything other than mythic means there’s probably some severe issues else where lol. OR you need to buy a lottery ticket
drifting cosmos
do you use fok for 2 targets with 2 eb?
hoary apex
yes
vagrant tapir
Whats up with raidbots showing the variant for the SS/DS/sang build
:S
Why DS
Extra damage on rupture for sang value?
short quarry
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strange python
@vagrant tapir what do you mean
bleak spoke
i think if you have the haste you play deeper with exsang
rigid mango
ye but so few people have it
like raz does because he's a god damn gearing anomaly I swear
bleak spoke
ashine has it
strange python
bleak spoke
i been reading his logs for advice
rigid mango
He has a bunch of expidient pieces and shit?
strange python
i was looking into that yesterday
bleak spoke
he has 1 expedient piece
strange python
the weird thing is those builds 100% dont sim higher for them than the standard stuff
strange python
i simmed sebek and he was at 81k
rigid mango
Looks like blaster
quasi pewter
exsang 
rigid mango
It's not the play for fort weeks tho
idk I pump like giga damage now on bosses which is p nice but it feels kinda bad on fort trash
bleak spoke
triple ss kinda carries on bolstering thoguh
CARRIES YOUR TANK STRAIGHT TO THE SPAWN POINT
:kneeslapper:
next solar
I tried to meme with t6 tendies. Wanna talk about inconsistent lol
bleak spoke
when they proc it owns
especially if you get a double proc in your blood window
then it's just 
next solar
Yup, They had a single crit of 91k...absurd
worldly fable
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crimson palm
So, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ct7zYH8BjwqJxzwfHrfXHG or https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xvjMy5B8vdjmFUEUYUaPW on ra, just got an upgrade that puts IS only 2k dps above non-IS build
crimson palm
we discussed it above, @tropic ocean mentioned It's not that big of an issue
strange python
you do you
tropic ocean
doesn't matter for what its wanted
as you can see from logs
anyway
and tentacles attack whatever they want too
strange python
what do you sim for in your deeper exsang setup?
strange python
lethal heart
thats like
my exsang
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uvTQZSfmGE7LVXk7NVis6q thats exsang with infinite stars
but infinite stars 
havent done dd sim
for like 3-4 weeks
strange python
lethal heart
so idk
pretty sure ss can be better for people than usual dd build
with like expedient
and also apl looks to be not correct
but im feelycrafter so idk
strange python
yea but it doesnt reflect that in sims somehow
lethal heart
because apl is wrong
strange python
which is weird
lethal heart
100% sure of that
2nd vendetta/vanish window
it does sth like
bote into 2 random globals
into then exsang
which is wrong
since you always want to exsang into bote
so thats one big mistake
strange python
so you dont waste bote time?
lethal heart
like 90% of your damage come from that one window
so makes most sense you want to exsang into bote
feelycraft af tho
not writing apls
just doing what looks to be right 🙂
strange python
would be great if someone could check that in the apl
quasi pewter
Apl propably hasnt been looked at too closely for exsang since it hasn't been viable in a while
strange python
what if it is viable (shown by logs) but isnt looked at because not many people think that
lethal heart
so few of the bosses are pure st
like raden
is insane for shrouded
and then even on pure st
yesterady
i topped boss dps on maut
and i dont even have full minmaxed gear/no 490 azerites
the only people t hat did higher boss dps than me are some infinite memers or tentacules memers
quasi pewter
With bad apl its like 2k behind on pure st
lethal heart
yes
quasi pewter
Can definitely see it being good
I couldnt try it yet cuz no 3ss
But next reclear for sure
lethal heart
ye you really want goraktuls
for this build
its pretty much best option
they're as good as 490 shoulders from nzoth
because nzoth shoulders have no ss
strange python
tfw ive extravagants 
quasi pewter
Im gonna have to make do with ilgy shoulders
icy ember
@lethal heart which build is it best for?
quasi pewter
How much less does 3ss sim without exsang
quasi pewter
Im gonna sim a bit when i come home
tacit wing
where the fuck did ashine go on his rogue?
lethal heart
fsy
im guessing
i think im in my vision gear
so probably vision minor
but
that shouldnt matter whatsoever for sim
tb is like 300 dps downgrade
vigor is
2k dps downgrade
xd
it only gets better if yo uhave 2x % haste
surely
but i only have 1x 445 boe
lethal heart
just a complete clownfiesta system
rigid mango
I want expidient pieces to try and meme it w exsang
scarlet sequoia
is it good
rigid mango
Is what good, exsang?
scarlet sequoia
ye that shit
rigid mango
It can obv work
I mean it simmed better for u right?
And the apl isn't optimised for it either
quasi pewter
if it simmed better its 100% better since apl is scuffed
scarlet sequoia
ye but with clf
rigid mango
Since I don't think there's been work done on exsang apl since before ess
Hm ig that makes sense
More haste bigger clf
rigid mango
Idk like I'm meming w it in boost runs and it feels legit
Just I have suboptimal gear for it
rigid mango
Ye I mean exsang feels fine and SS feels fine
Now it's no longer prog you can kinda multi w it w/o any issues and kill timers are so fast now
I need better aze and corr for it, it feels p banger w font coral too tbh
crimson palm
Vita should outsim font with that setup no?
rigid mango
Ye should
rigid mango
I honestly don't mind it
crimson palm
And you can gouge socket the Vita as a bonus if your font is not socketed
rigid mango
W/o TB it's super braindead
fading walrus
so im simming for aoe and im on 31% crit 17% haste 45% mastery/ and sim says i dont need more haste also running rank 4 TD
rigid mango
If I had a vita :)
You want less haste if anything
Crit and mast scale better w primary m+ traits
fading walrus
okey perfect thank u
rigid mango
And haste loses more value the more bleeds you can keep up
Kinda
I hate coral more than font :)
fading walrus
running 3 SS and 2 EB
so the more crit i have and mastery the better, when it comes to haste
quasi pewter
like 2k less than my dd sim
arctic walrus
bbi wins if I take subt
cobalt pelican
wtf happened to your belts
arctic walrus
I don't have any
cobalt pelican
nice
quasi pewter
quasi pewter
upgrade those rings man
arctic walrus
true
quasi pewter
you are slacking thats why you sim low
arctic walrus
right right that's why
arctic walrus
idk it feels bad not having the burst on pull at least
what are you doing for vanish
arctic walrus
yeah it sims a lot for me as well, just didn't go back to it
quasi pewter
just on cd i think unless its ur last vendetta
arctic walrus
so desyncs it entirely
quasi pewter
yea
arctic walrus
are you actually running all ss too
quasi pewter
not yet
im just simming
cuz i could run 3ss now that i have ilgy shoulders
and idk reclears are gonna get stale might aswell try something different
quasi pewter
i went sub for like 1 reclear
arctic walrus
oh that was raz then
scarlet sequoia
any1 else almost nr1 sub all star
if only we public logged that one time
sad sad sad
quasi pewter
scarlet sequoia
5,4
digital glacier
Luv u v much ❤️
digital glacier
i move fast
scarlet sequoia
im a girl
arctic walrus
no I am
next solar
just bought r1 tendies on a pair of 475 boots, now rocking t7 tendies. full hentai build boys
tropic ocean
any1 else almost nr1 sub all star
@scarlet sequoia can u sign my daggers plz
scarlet sequoia
næh
echo crest
are there any APLs for sin rogue sims? any trinket/azerite/curruption any specific thing ?
vestal wren
should be all in the standard apl
potent raft
for carapace (mythic) is there a particular reason to rune BotE major? or whatever sims highest?
echo crest
no apl for coral?
tropic ocean
already way before 30% on 10 stacks
crimson palm
😄
tropic ocean
so i'll use it for sure
echo crest
i should save bote for next vendetta right?
rigid mango
yessir
echo crest
how about playing with subterfuge
how should i do opener and CDs?
i sim more with subterfuge
distant cypress
always was
lean marten
when was it not
echo crest
IS ?
distant cypress
infinite stars
hollow chasm
Yeah, I feel like mastery proc II is better than my 2x IS I now
echo crest
i shouldn't use infinite?
rigid mango
for most fights it's not amazing but still fine
hollow chasm
in my experience it's okay, but not as good as it sims by far
rigid mango
If the fight is long or if it's single target, it's fine
But if it's neither/way too many targets, then a lot of its damage can be discounted.
distant cypress
its not that you shouldnt use, just simming it is kinda whacky, sims amazing on pure ST fights
what ZINE said
rigid mango
Like ausgelebt just sent a pic of carapace being on 10 stacks in last phase, which it's obv fine for
And it's more than fine for nzoth on the basis of being a fucking 13 min fight
But it's obviously particularly good on shadhar because of 0 extra targets, and such.
magic thorn
How good is EB for M+ ? I dont see it getting used by the Top assa rogues anymore
rigid mango
It's still really good
distant cypress
^
magic thorn
But why does nobody use it anymore ?
rigid mango
They do
magic thorn
So i still wanna use it and play Crit Mastery in M+ ?
rigid mango
Yessir
rigid mango
SS is still the daddy, EB's just good to fill out
magic thorn
Ok i am so unsure since 8.3 😄 i did 2 aoe sims now and still cant decide where to put the socket on. I have alot of Crit/Mastery Pieces, but for example if i put the socket on the murky ring and then get the mecha rings, i would have wasted the socket
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hZNBAd65Eg1sjT5k9E5Pnx Dungeonslice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6aazLXaQmAvSQbaKeE6yyA 6Target 40sec
rigid mango
But replaced in some lower mob density dungeons like kr/ws/siege/tyr temple
magic thorn
Yeah, not raiding Mythic anymore
quasi pewter
then you dont really want the mecha rings anyway
propably safe to put a socket in the 475 ring if you want to play m+ mostly
if you get another good ring just replace the other one
also i would drop galecallers
if you can
you have 460 vita, just use that instead
lean marten
galecallers is used in vend window so thatd mess up coral right?
magic thorn
i usually use gale for vendetta at bosses and coral through all trash
rigid mango
Ye there's like prio 9/10 times and if ur playing w/o EB you can probably just single blast a target
quasi pewter
its very very rare to have a pull 7+ targets where they are all the exact same hp
i would say generally just blast envenoms into highest hp mob
rigid mango
ye I v rarely find my same fok spamming with current setup atleast
but that's just in my lack of EB traits
radiant berry
alright, ty :D
rigid mango
Should be
If there's something that seems out of date, feel free to ping/dm me about it 🙂
fading walrus
im just so confused that sim is telling to remove a ring with crit mastery and replace it with Crit and vers
one is 320 crit / 246 mastery and one is 374 crit / 208 vers
quasi pewter
yes subterfuge is better most of the time
echo crest
should i change for subterfuge without shroud of sufocation?
quasi pewter
yes
quasi pewter
you can check what the apl does
if you do a quick sim and check below
but that looks correct yes
echo crest
where do i use coral and bote?
quasi pewter
blood of the enemy before first envenom
coral immediately on pull as always
and with vendetta every time
quasi pewter
you apply it on pull
and then consume the stacks on 2nd vendetta
then apply again after and repeat
quasi pewter
you can sim focused resolve and unbridled to see what is better for you
just do a quick sim with each
winter gale
Guys, from 1 to 10 how important is to keep elaborate planing uptime? Should I adjust myself more to it or keep it up as much as I can while going for abilities as much as I can? Sometimes I want to follow it and if I am not up eith it it seems weird, like I am late non stop.
30/23 is my Crit/Haste %
I feel like I am not using that dmg incr properly
patent topaz
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iy7z1Ncnib2jooGtN2kD6X 59 corr sim and the best is 40 with void ritual
we gaming
my 457 dh sims 70k 
crisp hollow
anyone have good assassination POV of nzoth mythic? only found the Laget kill on youtube for some reason, wanted a couple other perspectives
crisp hollow
nice thank you
the vid i saw had him hold vendetta for a long time to use in mythic-only phase
is it standard or will my CD usage be dependent on guild need? he also dropped a vendetta on tychus too
quasi pewter
isnt that the vod of a full clear
quasi pewter
ah nvm
tropic ocean
on 3 different classes
crisp hollow
consider my thanks re-instated
unborn pendant
So is it just me, or is our 100 talent row really, really, really mediocre?
crisp hollow
you mean you don't like selecting between a boring proc, a meme, or a pure AoE option
unborn pendant
Said boring proc never procs and when said boring proc ever procs it's like it does like 3 damage
crisp hollow
it used to never proc but was gamechanging when it did
now it procs pretty regularly and is boring
unborn pendant
Also
And this is a very very dumb question
How much does Razor Coral actually impact my dps?
crisp hollow
much
unborn pendant
Am I missing out on a lot if I'm extremely unlucky and can't get a 430, let alone a 445 or higher?
crisp hollow
ensuring you have a fuckton of crit for the only windows you do actual damage is huge
loud light
I mean, raidbots answers this for you
crisp hollow
numerically its probably bis, and is catered really well to assassination's damage profile, but the loss to running vita + a dungeon trinket if you have no AEP trinkets isn't a huge deal
unborn pendant
Moreover, I see a lot of logs of Sin rogues using either Worldvein or BotE for single-target fights.
crisp hollow
vita > font anyway unless the fight is really short, spyglass/dice/electromental aren't the end of the world
unborn pendant
I have R3 BotE already, but when (if ever) is Worldvein actually better?
crisp hollow
yes Worldvein is the best/default ST option
BotE better for fights that cater to it though I'm pretty sure, as in shorter ones or weird uptime ones or spread group ones
in general though if you look at WCLogs the top parses are all bote
WV i guess is more theoretically the better dps option
with breath of the dying not far behind those 2
and better on fights you can use the reset component on
crimson palm
@tropic ocean all transitions with 3 stacks of IS so just gave up on it >.<
tropic ocean
:/
dire spoke
crisp hollow
the channel had a nzoth kill eventually
after some digging
I have some gearing concerns for that fight, specifically if i'd be wasting my time with logic loop of division and if I'd replace expedient 6 with more tendies or not lol
crisp hollow
seems like a pad build lol most of the fight comes down to meeting hp checkpoints on the boss
quasi pewter
behind ring is good
ss build can work especially if you need psychus / harvester damage
vagrant tapir
3xss 3xnp VoP major
quasi pewter
if you dont dd build might be a little better
crimson palm
Most rogues logs I saw around 75th were ss np
vagrant tapir
75th % ?
crimson palm
Percentile
vagrant tapir
in what, m+?
crimson palm
quasi pewter
who cares about percentile on mythic logs
look at boss damage
look if they used shit on psychus
look if they played vision minor and used on annihilator
and most importantly look what ur raid needs
vagrant tapir
oh legit didnt read what you guys were takling about up there
genuinely unrelated why im doing it
quasi pewter
you can always change later but with 4 mages ye dd build sounds good
crisp hollow
gonna try with 50 corruption early on and see if im stressing our healers too much, I know our dh will be close to 60 but havoc is havoc lol
6 expedient 4 tendies seems good
crisp hollow
thats a good point
quasi pewter
i would honestly just play max 40 on prog
crisp hollow
esp since ill be shadowstepping paranoias mostly
quasi pewter
at this point ur propably not going to wipe to damage checks because of you wearing 15 corruption less
dark token
how come when i come out of stealth using coral i dont get subterfuge but coming out of stealth in any other way including just deactivating it or casting PK i get subterfuge
crisp hollow
replacing one of the tendies with racing pulse on nature damage ring then
for 35corr
steep obsidian
i cant stand it when raid members die to thing damage tbh
i dont normally run with that shit on prog
on hunter or outlaw sure but sin kinda sucks
crisp hollow
thing from beyond is honestly the least worrying part of corruption for me, even on troll ass heroic clears where i'm sitting at 90 the problem is circle damage adding up or the slow killing me at a bad time
quasi pewter
the slow is the most dangerous part for sure
steep obsidian
well yeah the snare too
dark token
the root killing me at a bad time u mean
steep obsidian
and heres the dh in our raid runnin 59 and never dies to that shit
dark token
with 60+ i like to run out when i get a thing to drop the circle away from the boss
then shadowstep back in
yeah below 59 its easy af imo
steep obsidian
just leech through everything and felrush around
dark token
after 60 it gets harder because things insta apply the slow
i do most of my heroic kills at ~75ish
steep obsidian
heroic is diff healers are bored anyway
dark token
true
crisp hollow
@quasi pewter im seeing all manner of trinkets getting used, what combo of H vita, M coral, M font would you recommend?
quasi pewter
i use coral and vita
quasi pewter
but if you cant hit boss enough in downtimes coral is gonna be shit
crisp hollow
vita > font in my sims too, by almost 600dps
steep obsidian
unless you have like a 455 socketed or somethign
crisp hollow
but thats probably cuz expedient
pseudo hamlet
@crisp hollow mythic font + mythic coral sims higher for me than hc vita
quasi pewter
as i said
quasi pewter
if you can hit boss in downtimes its still good
because of how strong it is
like after first tents go down
you just hit boss for like 20 seconds until next ones spawn
stacking coral
quasi pewter
yes
you are there to blast boss
so you stack until burn phases
just see if it works for you
maybe ur tentacle damage is lower so you cant swap to boss to often
then maybe run something else
rotund oak
not obsessive at all
lul
wanted to ask if its worth trying stackign the matery % boost on corruption bonuses
mastery*
crisp hollow
probably is amazing in cleave situations
my sin M+ setup uses 12% mast 12% crit corruption
and TD2
rotund oak
thats what i thought
i mean ive got these 5 pieces of mastery % bonus on top of a t3 TD
''echo'' sin shouldnt be that bad
crisp hollow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i9zqFjvo7VVouw7PFcjNun @rotund oak this is what I run for sin M+ more or less (I use a crit/mast ring more often than waycrest) but I'm definitely not optimized at all for weeks that would require boss damage lol
much easier to just be outlaw for stuff like last week imo
celest sundial
Hey guys, a friend told me the vita trinket is not actually that good because it's bugged in sims but it has lower uptime in actual use. Anyone know if this is true?
crisp hollow
hes wrong it slaps
celest sundial
Idk where he got that from then lol
steep obsidian
vita actually helps your raid too
people who dont use it cry when they arent in a group with someone using it
rotund oak
vita is giga,every angle u approach it 😛
steep obsidian
at least in my raid although its probably not big
quasi pewter
if 4 other ppl in ur grp have it you have like 50%+ uptime on the buff
its pretty big
50% uptime on 300 haste
is like 3 free sockets
rotund oak
provided that u get to have a haste proc and on demand crit trinkets is like a universe of dps gains
no matter the stats u have
the entire way sin builds up to ''exhale'' in its windows makes it even more obvious i think
too much theorycrafting for nothing if u play regularly rogue
midnight otter
So is the general idea in aoe to target swap to apply as many bleeds as possible?
quasi pewter
you apply as many bleeds as needed to remain energy neutral to spam fok/envenoms
which is like 4-5
bleak spoke
hey guys exsang is pretty good https://i.imgur.com/DkxcoSg.jpg
midnight otter
@quasi pewter thanks man! That’s pretty interesting. Much different form the other classes I play
ornate gazelle
i'm sure it's been asked before, but why are there so many mantle/bote logs when it pretty much always sims lower than subtlety/condensed by like 1-2k dps
am i missing somethinggg
scarlet sequoia
yes
quasi pewter
bote works very well timing wise on a lot of bosses
also for alot of people it doesnt sim 2k lower than clf
the higher the cd of an essence the higher the impact of you missing out on a cast aswell
bote just works very well together with vendetta
bleak spoke
i'm playing clf minor right now
cuz it seems to almost always proc in exsang window
so far it's been literally every pull i hit exsang clf minor pops for the % dam
i think it might be less good on the stalks than tb though
the tentacles are dying way slower
cobalt pelican
is this double vendetta boss p1 gamer details
bleak spoke
the wipe happened p3 tho
I have the worst tentacle assignments I can’t even play outlaw if I wanted to
I have to hit the one near the exit and then the one near the entrance lmao
short token
god the mind flay on the 470 daggers is a fucking joke
tight ridge
quick question just getting back into rogue, do you use bote before applying all dots/vendetta or after everything is applied
quasi pewter
for single target you use blood before your first envenom
tight ridge
so my opener is usually garrote-garrote, rupture, toxic blade, multi till envenom
dunno if thats correct
and well vendetta after rupture i guess, somewhere there
quasi pewter
you are using shrouded suffocation traits?
tight ridge
yes
quasi pewter
there should be openers in the guide in pins
tight ridge
allright i'll check
quasi pewter
essences are not included because you use them at different times depending on the essence
tight ridge
yea looking at it
mh okay, been using vanish wrong as well then i guess
but one garrote is only 3 combo points right? thought u want a full rupture
ionic hemlock
Someone should just make a flow chart and include most common essences lol
quasi pewter
for that specific opener 3 is fine
you will refresh your rupture after your blood runs out
tight ridge
mh okay, i don't really get why you wouldn't garrote-garrote-rupture instead tho
quasi pewter
you get longer empowered garrote that way
and also have rupture up 1 global earlier
tight ridge
okay, thanks
quasi pewter
it ends up being slightly better
ionic hemlock
weird, thought iris would sim worse than blood
next solar
ok drest is actually a meme, we got it in 14 pulls lol
short token
Shad is the biggest meme
i remember killing it not even looking at his health like, wtf?
hardy wind
to sim for m+ I heard don't use dungeon slice? just like 4-5 targets for ~45 seconds and no hero buff? hard to tell what works best in dungeons since it changes week to week
forest wing
don't you guys feel energy starved when running m+? Like 14% haste really hurts
forest wing
blood is 3k honor away from being rank3, so not really using it rn. maybe after i get it i wont feel that energy starved. the 8 sec haste boost prob helps
cobalt pelican
doesn't really make much difference at all, if anything it's going to be a net loss of haste if you're currently playing iris
the spec is just really slow paced on bosses in m+
ionic hemlock
I actually haven't noticed tbh
forest wing
sad
ionic hemlock
I have no idea how to get conflict to rank 3, i guess its just random chance from pvp chest
forest wing
if you are 1600+ you get 5 of the 15 things you need to put it rank 3
think 1400-1599 is 3
so 3 weeks if you are 1600+
tight ridge
you need 1000 rating to loot CnS rank 2 tho
ionic hemlock
yeah i know it's weird, i only just pushed rating the other day
subtle tundra
maybe you got it last season 🙂
ionic hemlock
Nah, I've only played one season that was 1 or 2 I think
That was before they came out unless I am remembering everything wrong
shy dust
echo cargo
big no
flat tundra
making me a big confuse
rigid mango
Unless it's for pvp, swirl is far stronger.
next arch
latent fog
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
latent field
Do people who don’t run conflict major on dog boss count on externals?
royal lantern
warlock gate or freedom ye
latent field
Thanks - WTB maneuverability baseline
mystic crest
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
solid sundial
quasi pewter
no
modest raptor
Sims telling me to play subterfuge without any SS even though i had traits selected for simming. Is that some sim bug or is it actually better?
lethal heart
Its better
modest raptor
alright cheers
onyx hedge
faint harness
That content is purge worthy
crimson palm
For the TB Vendetta overlap at the 2 min mark, if we're unable to delay vendetta due to kill time, do we just delay the tb?
flat wadi
Do you always delay vendetta by 30 sec for it to line up with vanish?
distant lava
no
flat wadi
oh accidentally had vision in lol
scarlet sequoia
swear if someone doesn’t make an extensive assa guide soon
the same questions 10 times a day
flat wadi
and also is itbad to delay toxic blade some? pretty new to assa and sometiems find it hard to use it on cooldown
distant lava
someone done with progress, who has quite good knowledge
I wonder who could do that
maybe a nerd with a tiger pfp
scarlet sequoia
ah vel
tropic ocean
@bleak spoke is it really exsang that carried boss dmg? cuz its pretty low 😄
strange python
you can get the spell id from wowhead for example: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=200806/exsanguinate
then you click top right on wcl on the magnifying glass
pretty much at the bottom you can input a spell id
that only gets you top 100 logs tho from the overview
to see more you gotta go to the bosses directly
strange python
click on the glass, scroll down, put 200806 in the first field like in the screenshot and press enter so it takes the value to the right
vagrant tapir
**when i click on magnifying glass I get 404
posted link assuming that the redirect was actually down
looks like a caching/browser issue on my end
assuming you're able to click that link.
strange python
that link is 404 because term is empty
also make sure you're in rankings and have assassasaassassaination rogue selected
vagrant tapir
delete it and just go search
or trying clicking on the magnifier yourself atm
its going to 404 for me
strange python
works for me
vagrant tapir
strange python
uh thats the wrong one, sorry
vagrant tapir
imagine
strange python
vagrant tapir
-_-
then you click top right on wcl on the magnifying glass on the rankings page
thanks though m8
another mystery solved
vagrant tapir
yeah i just assumed you were really bad spacially
and that you meant right side of....the box?
pseudo hamlet
Anyone has any tip for someone who cannot sim gear because of too many combination? I'm trying to check out which enchants/gems should I use in what combination of essences.
winter gale
How do u use 2nd blood of the enemy ?
serene osprey
with vendetta unless AoEing with it
tropic ocean
yes
bleak dune
HI Guys , does anybody knows if you can Simm with different Pots? A comrade said that Potion of Focused Resolve is much better then Potion of Unbridled Fury
white wyvern
Run two sims. One with each.
One is not much better than the other. People get different results based on gear.
lean marten
3x shrouded + exsang seems pretty dope
becuase it'd be usable in m+ and visions
as a good allrounder
tropic ocean
Not sure why you would want exsang in m+
lean marten
for maxing the benefit of 3xSS i'd assume. just be nice to have a build for all types of content
which apparently a 3x SS build is viable in raids
ornate gazelle
How does Mind Flay damage work if you have a +35, +35, and +10? Do they proc individually so sometimes you get the +10 corruption version or are they additive? Proc more often?
lean marten
same proc dmg additive
tropic ocean
3 ss build is viable due to the nature of the azerites
not because of exsang
and especially in m+ exsang is worse in basically every scenario over tb
@ornate gazelle they proc the same and do the dmg combined
so if +35 would do 10k/tick and +10 5k/tick ur tentacle will do 25k/tick with ur 3 mind flay corruptions
ornate gazelle
Thanks
tropic ocean
(numbers are just made up for explanation)
ornate gazelle
Is there any better +10 budget than an additional Mind Flay? I have no Gushing Wounds.
white wyvern
Pretty sure that Seli has been messing with exsang and it isn't performing that bad.
ornate gazelle
Yeah I've squeezed in my 12% haste and 2% crit too haha
tropic ocean
doesn't matter how good or bad seli performs with something
ornate gazelle
with double carapace weapon
white wyvern
What does that mean?
tropic ocean
it doesnt matter if he performs good with whatever
its worse mathematically
he will perform good with master poisoner too
😉
lean marten
so wheres ur mathematical proof TB is better than exhang in m+ with 3x SS
white wyvern
Yeah umm.
That doesn't make sense.
Like it may be viable over TB is what I am saying.
lean marten
becuase without that proof you sound kinds silly
white wyvern
Definitely not this week's affixes, but Tyran weeks.
tropic ocean
@lean marten it was simmed idk maybe 5million times and discussed maybe 2mil times here as well
and for tyran exsang is worse boss performance wise than tb anyway
tropic ocean
u will lower your overall significantly to gain prio/st
while you dont lower anything using tb
lean marten
tb is a ST spell tho how does it help aoe
lean marten
you'd use on a prio target just like vend/tb
tropic ocean
yeah
and ull lose mt garrote dmg
while u dont lose any aoe garrote value using tb
lean marten
you could still spread the 3 and nonpandemic sang
tropic ocean
not sure how to explain it better
u can go to the 4 dummies and test it and see it for yourself
but for simplicity tb is a spell that gives a dmg buff
exsang doesn't
lean marten
exsang buffs rupt and garrote?
tropic ocean
nope
lean marten
it doubles their dps?
sour glade
Hey, I'm looking for tips for M+ for sin, particularly on big AOE packs. I have 2x shrouded suff and 1x echo blades right now, I know I want 3/2 or 3/3. On a big pack I'm triple garroting into crimson tempest, then fanning and rupturing a few targets until only a couple are left then using mutilate/envenom. Is that about right?
One of my big questions is does rupture do the same dmg no matter how many combos you spend, just the duration changes? So should I be fanning once and rupturing even if it's only say 3 combo points on a trash pack that will die fairly fast? I think I've been fanning to 5 before rupturing which feels like maybe a wasste.
lean marten
Anyway i was just speculating having a good all-rounder build for all content. Even if ToXiC bLaDe is BeTtEr marginally in a m+ environment
tropic ocean
I really enjoy when sin chan discussion get to dh discord lvl
rigid mango
Exsang likes haste, sin on aoe generally doesn't like haste
Tb only needs GCD's which you're locked on anyways
Whilst also being numerically better, being more versatile and generally less punishing
That being said the diff wont be huge if you play exsang correctly and the cd reliant single target prio/boss dmg you get is substantial and nothing to laugh at
I play both and honestly my numbers in the end are give or take the same just the exsang has higher highs and lower lows than tb
Probably doesn't really matter and you can play either at a high level and make it work, just avoid making convos into cesspits please.
bleak spoke
The only upside to exsang vs tb is that you don’t have to commit to a target with exsang, swapping is a bit easier
45 seconds is a long time
And in this day and age exsang doesn’t really burst prio targets much harder than tb
Unless you commit double garrote
tropic ocean
3 ss double garrote +exsang
3 ss double garrote no exsang
so yeah
not sure how exsang doubles ur garrote dmg
using 2x empowered garrote +exsang on target x will lower your overall dps/aoe while tb wont have any impact on that
🤷
(and tb actually buffs your dmg, exsang doesn't)
tropic ocean
I cropped it
you can see it from timeline as well
if you are able to properly use wcl
exsanged garrotes
non exsanged garrotes
strange python
you know how exsang works i assume?
strange python
then whats your point
steel idol
Hello, big time assa noob here. Is it worth it to use more than one shrouded suffocation over nothing personal/scent of blood? in PvP
tropic ocean
exsang doesn't buff anything it makes your bleeds tick out 100% faster so no dmg buff to anything cuz 400k dmg is 400k dmg
@steel idol usually not
1 ss rest ttk/battlefield whatever its called heart of darkness/nothing personal depending on what azerite u have available
steel idol
Ah, that's what my intuition said as well. Thank you very much ^^
lean marten
400k dmg in 4 seconds is 100k dps. 400k in 2 seconds is 200k dps
lean marten
it does 2x dps aka a buff
tropic ocean
lean marten
which u can then put another 2s non xang garrote, meaning in a 4s window its more dps
tropic ocean
you're essentially reducing your dmg in an aoe scenario using exsang
especially when you use exsang the way you want to use it
white wyvern
Esxsang doesn't double Garrote damage unless the fight is exactly 9/12 seconds long (depending if you double garrote or not).
@lean marten
lean marten
im pretty sure u can use all your buttons the same way, aka 4 target garrotes and then train the 3rd
faint harness
just play venom rush 🙂
lean marten
the argument is you can use a single build for all content and perform at a pretty high lvl
like ive been saying
tropic ocean
you can use everything u want and perform at a pretty high level
but thats not a good base for an argument what skill/talent/whatever is better
white wyvern
@lean marten Nobody wants to do that though.
tropic ocean
theres guy playing survival hunter outdpsing fotm dps
theres top ranked enhancer sham dps in m+
limber merlin
!guides
tropic ocean
doesnt magically make it stronger than dh or w/e
limber merlin
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
tropic ocean
morningwind was playing top keys using hidden blades all the time