G r g if you have SS
#assassination
minor garden
okay
strange python
the head of raden is better than the head of maut right? (for ST)
strange python
ty
old escarp
If I had to guess it’s because you get 2s extra buffed garrote uptime and a 3cp rupture vs 5cp rupture is no difference
minor garden
hmm okay
hollow stone
Because math
sacred moth
Anyone have a good sim of x3 SS in dungeon slice? Before I spend massive amounts of gold on reforging I want to see if the DMG is there in m+
hollow stone
Dslice is bad for sin. It doesnt account for restealth iirc. Theres an apl in (i think) tc research that you can try
Sim string, w/e
white wyvern
It is in #wow-general pins and still it is not a good sim for dungeons.
Ya just can't sim dungeons.
sacred moth
What do you think, then? Is it comparable to outlaw for dungeons?
hollow stone
Or just be lazy and sim like 4-5 targets 40-50 sec, then a 1 target 2-2.5 min and then use your brain from there
fading wigeon
hollow stone
But its not gonna be perfect
white wyvern
Damage wise, yes Sin is comparable to Outlaw. Just harder to gear optimally for Sin.
subtle tundra
vita is better if you have expedient corruptions
old summit
@subtle tundra can you give an example
old summit
ty
crimson palm
@rigid mango if with shit APL subt is simming better, difference might be bigger with actual good usage
at least for me, subt is simming 600dps higher than MA
rigid mango
Ask the TC people 🙂
I tried
I've given up
I wont try again, I have my assumptions.
rigid mango
The apl for non SS Subterfuge is riddled with a lot of illogical things.
vestal wren
like?
tacit pebble
re applying vanish garrote during bote/vendetta/tb window
white wyvern
tacit pebble
that was a weird one on 3 targets
vestal wren
that seems very specific to blood
vestal wren
thats true, ppl rly like it for some reason
hollow junco
not annoying to use, short cd, applicable in ST, AOE, and cleave, typically sims as 2nd or 3rd best possible patchwerk dps option
I wish i never had a reason to swap away from it
vestal wren
can you link me the st sim?
quick cobalt
Hi, what mean ST plz ?
white wyvern
Single Target.
quick cobalt
Oh ok thanks 🙂
vestal wren
i assume it should not use vanish during tb?
tacit pebble
using the gcd on the vanish garrote during the tb/bote window seems really bad, I doubt using the vanish during just TB is that bad, but probably a loss inside of vendetta
vestal wren
or, just dont use it during bote i guess
tacit pebble
I think thats probably the biggest thing
tacit pebble
yea, i can see where a lot of the timings are awkward
dont vanish on cd makes the vanish fall out of vendetta I think, dont want to delay TB so just delaying bote until after hte vanish doesn't seem ideal
vestal wren
the problem is probably cooldown overlap
and the potential loss of casts/efficiency from delays
but a simple "dont use during blood" looks quite okay
sim:https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/izWGnKo4cWaMFhmudY99jW
not sure if it fucks up sth else
tacit pebble
that much of a gain from just that makes it significantly ahead of MA for sure
shy dust
The use of vendetta like 13 seconds before vanish is up
Is an issue with the sub no ss apl
tacit pebble
looked back behind it and it looks like the default profile and the no vanish during blood profile are using different consumables
tacit pebble
i'd assume its responding by delaying the vanish until after the blood window is over, which is also after vendetta is over?
yea, its vanishing at 2:37 now
wonder if delaying vendetta 2 10 seconds til when vanish comes up is the answer
vestal wren
delaying vendetta is playing with fire
tacit pebble
that would require delaying TB or delaying vendetta more anyway
tacit pebble
yea
some awkward timings in this
it delaying vanish so much drops average vanish casts from 2.9 to 2.6, so a decent number of sims with no vanish during blood aren't even getting a 3rd vanish
tacit pebble
that long delay is to not refresh before pandemic, maybe vanishing earlier but refreshing during pandemic is a gain? who knows, those timings are scuffed
vestal wren
it could be that applying/refreshing bleeds during tb or blood is not as big of a deal
hazy iron
What if you vanish > Garrote after the 5 second increased crit damage window of Bote rather than the entire thing? (Bote buff)
Looking at those other sequences, popping bote then managing garrote vanish straight away must be a significant part of the dps loss. Dunno, just chucking out ideas
Maybe I'm confused though
vestal wren
doesent rly seem to make a diffrence
hazy iron
Fair
hazy iron
Breath sims higher for me than bote so I've not really spent much time with it outside of AoE fights or wrathion (with vop)
But I much prefer subterfuge over MA
tacit pebble
appreciate the work messing with the apl
vestal wren
WV also sims quite good, but ppl seem to not use it 😉
hazy iron
Yeah true
vestal wren
no problem, those are very simple changes to the apl ^^
arctic violet
can someone tell me what bis should i go for for my assassin rogue?
hazy iron
WV at 0 allies sims equal to breath for me
No one uses it on my team t.t I always thought people used bote to guarantee crit burst under MA window
vestal wren
wv is probably the most underrated essence, it does not mean you should use it if you dont feel comfortable
hazy iron
So if you're not running MA, maybe you're better off running breath, I dunno. It all comes down to personal pref I guess
arctic violet
guys
vestal wren
jade bis is a very generic term, might be more specific
even not 100% uptime on wv makes it good
ppl assume that movement elliminates the entire benefits of it, what its not doing
hazy iron
Yeah? I have run it, i'm always happy to try again
drifting cosmos
does haste give more PP and breath proc?
vast plume
what is the stat priority for ass rogues
white wyvern
raid? sim
M+ Crit > Mast
royal lantern
the stat priority is simming
vast plume
sim gives you different things all the time tho
white wyvern
Exactly!!
Cause stat prio always changes.
Top gear is your answer. Not stop prios
crimson palm
With a kill time of 6 minutes on Xanesh, should I just run VoP minor
Fucking sucks not getting that last vendetta in 😐
exotic rose
I’ve been personally running vision minor and breath major. Vision minor makes your vendetta not align with the adds coming, which is great, because it’s a terrible phase to vendeta given you have to kill the ads and they die quickly. Breath major allows for multiple resets on ads, so you get way more damage than clf
Not that logs matter much but I got 3 rank 100 with that build
crimson palm
Ye I was thinking the same
echo cargo
I've just been rolling with vision major and praying
surreal halo
I feel like I have been struggling to sim myself. There are too many variables this expac! Are there any loose rules about subterfuge/MA, and when to switch over and lose the SS traits?
lean marten
crimson palm
@exotic rose I'm guessing you use the breath major on Xanesh right after last add dies? And just wait for the next set afterwards?
short quarry
Is it better to stack NP over HoD on nzoth? I feel like my burst is more important than the stat buff from HoD
loud dome
which one of the two tentacle corruptions is bis for us
high mantle
fist weapon = no more mut
shut garnet
so TA is the only one available
loud dome
and it can't randomly corrupt?
shut garnet
nope
loud dome
so only the one on carapace?
high mantle
that corruption is tied only to that fist weapon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pZtu3QanhHQeYqKqkxYYJW the feels when worldvein sims the best but hard to run efficiently, because of high movement fights
rough veldt
3 SS or 2SS with 1 EB for mythic +s?
white wyvern
3 ss
crude nexus
does visions of perfection proc nothing personal?
rigid mango
y
sullen sphinx
can someone confirm for me how you obtain rank 1 conflict and strife
sullen sphinx
i have capped for two weeks in a row now and not received it.
assuming becuse it isnt season 3
rigid mango
Probably because of your lack of rating
drifting cloud
you dont need rating for r1
vapid terrace
What's more consistent for M hivemind. The stacking fan buff, CT or PB? My numbers suck.
We waste time chasing adds, but I need more consistency
sullen sphinx
im 1400, seems like the requirement is 1000?
rigid mango
If you've capped, looted your chest and still nto recieved it
This is a question for blizzard, not the wrong channel in a class discord 🙂
sullen sphinx
lol
already did a ticket
just wanted to confirm i was correct about how to get it
rigid mango
Seems like wowhead or blizzard would be a better source than the opinions of who knows 🙂
tropic ocean
@vapid terrace hidden blades is bae
rigid mango
strange python
@sullen sphinx not sure man - I would put in a ticket. You should have got rank 1 by now
rigid mango
If only he had
sonic echo
Quick question: Based on askmrrobot rotation, you only rupture at max combo points. is that true?
scarlet sequoia
no
sonic echo
k. 4+ without deeper and 5+ with right?
scarlet sequoia
4+ with or without
sonic echo
kk ty
scarlet sequoia
envenom at 5+ with deeper
fleet anchor
@rigid mango @vestal wren @tacit pebble Generally what I would say is saying things like "shit APL" or "illogical" often are not as closely aligned as one might think. Plenty of things that are illogical still perform better. Considering probably around 6-8 hours of dedicated testing was put into the APL for non-SS Subterfuge over the last couple weeks, I'm pretty confident it's generally performing well. Nothing is perfect but it's best not to assume that just because everything doesn't line up perfectly that lining things up better will actually perform better.
Often with many things--not just the APL--people tend to value organization over everything else, and certainly one iteration snapshots don't tell the full story.
Sometimes alignment issues are things that can be resolved, and other times they are just a necessary evil
As the cost of re-alignment is not free
Generally I would say that if you see anything that stands out as odd, it's probably worth bringing up. However its presence alone doesn't always mean there is a problem.
harsh anchor
Let's say hypothetically, if I didn't have C&S R3, what would be the replacement if I were using BOTD, MOLD and IRIS
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bPP3bfbXMxVapLJq1zidnS
can someone tell me why Subterfuge is a 500 dps increase over MA when i only have 30% crit?
is the buffed garrote rly that good
fleet anchor
For example in the snapshot linked during the original discussion, you have two options:
- Delay Vendetta/TB/BotE to re-sync with the ~12-14s offset Vanish cooldown from the opener
- Further delay Vanish and move more of your buffed Garrotes are outside of Vendetta/BotE
Both of those are probably a bigger DPS loss missing out on 1-2 FoK during Vendetta as CP builders following a Vanish.
@strange python Yes Subterfuge is pulling ahead for most people right now, it just scales better generally speaking currently. Also I improved the APL for it a few weeks ago a fair bit.
strange python
also a question for xanesh mythic
is it worth it to delay the first vanish + buffed garrote to dot the first add + boss or should i just use it in the vendetta window?
drifting cloud
well I havent done the boss in like 2 weeks but from what I remember we would always delete that 1st add
like it would die before it finished 3rd cast from memory
exotic rose
@exotic rose I'm guessing you use the breath major on Xanesh right after last add dies? And just wait for the next set afterwards?
@crimson palm exactly
fleet anchor
Yeah kinda depends on how long the add lives in your group
Personally I was delaying Vanish for example on Ra-den because you get pretty good value out of triple Garrote and that seemed worth desyncing for. But YMMV
faint harness
Do you ever implement bugged interactions in the apl
Like the drestagath trinket being flurried
shut garnet
🤔
fleet anchor
We generally do try to implement bugs
If we know about them and it's easy enough to implement anyway
I'm not super familiar with that trinket behavior though, since I haven't gotten one to drop yet. Feel free to DM me the details and I can check.
harsh sphinx
there's a spreadsheet floating around but it's in chinese
dark token
https://i.imgur.com/qBQkNb4.png pog i got it
now if only my 2set wasnt the healing one
does the healing one proc on self heal with lucid dreams?
maiden raptor
Since i can't sim the engi helm due to not having it. is it better comapred to the mythic helm from maut for st?
summer valve
gear compare option lets you sim stuff you don't have
maiden raptor
wait but can you sim for the engi helm?
summer valve
why wouldn't you be able to
maiden raptor
uhh cause i can't find it under the options that are given
summer valve
gearspun goggles
use gear compare not top gear
top gear only sims combinations of stuff you have
gear compare lets you sim ANYTHING
ocean ore
Hey guys, how do i play assassin rogue in hivemind mitic with 2dd 1 np 2 hod 1 bi
should i dot only boss
or darters too?
build cp with fok or mutilate?
cobalt pelican
is your guild having difficulty killing the darters
cobalt pelican
with 4 full time bleeds on the bosses additional dots are going to be very little value for st damage
fok at 5t+ would be the most damage overall but it's pretty meaningless drone cleave for the most part, so if i wasn't playing shrouded or anything i'd just play like patchwerk 2t, bleeds on both and bleeds on ravager when it spawns only if darters are 0 issue for your guild
ocean ore
ok, ty for tips!!
proud salmon
when to pop blood on opener?
primal yoke
Are you running Subterfuge or MA?
proud salmon
ma
primal yoke
General opener is Mut > Rup > Mut > Gar > Vend > TB > Blood > Vanish > Env > etc
Some people use Blood before TB, but I think it's up to personal preference
If your first Mut doesnt give 4 CP, I've seen some people do:
Mut (2-3 CP) > Mut > Rup > Gar > Vend > TB > Blood > Vanish > Mut > Env > normal rotation
echo cargo
Does the tickrate of NP scale with haste?
primal yoke
I'm not sure, it's a set amount of damage over a set amount of time...so I am inclined to say no, but I dont know for sure
cobalt pelican
it does
echo cargo
I've noticed it going from 1.6s to 1.4s but I'm not sure if it does more or less damage based on that
Because it's, i guess, predetermined by the amount of damage the trait indicates?
cobalt pelican
it's just a regular hasted dot
more haste = more procs = more dam
the tooltip will be correct based on your current passive haste
primal yoke
Anyone know much about the VoP major + 3x NP traits build? Insane damage coming from NP.
Guess its highly dependent on VoP procs though
strange python
can someone pls look over my log and tell me what i can improve on? i seem to fuck up the wrathion fight (im doing 1 of the shards if that changes anything)
cosmic viper
Can anybody DM me and tell me wtf I'm doing wrong, I'm simming at 53k DPS and I can't even get close to that
flat wadi
So i just dinge 120 and having troubles deciding on what spec to go, i enjoy assa more, but outlaw is so much easier to gear, Im like only gonna do m+ on my rogue with the occasional hc pug. Is it fine to just go and get m+ pieces for assa or should i start out as outlaw?
drifting cloud
unless you absolutely love assa and/or hate outlaw Id suggest outlaw if majority of your play will be m+
flat wadi
It's just that outlaw isnt very interesting or doesnt seems like a challenge to get good at for me, now I might be totally wrong but that's how it feels. Assa feels more complex and rewarding when you get better
strange python
just play outlaw until you got azerite/weapons for assa m+
proud salmon
feast or haste food?
balmy condor
almost never feast
agi is pretty terribad compared to most secondary stats for 95% of players
we're at that point in the xpac
young portal
Is 3 x SS, 1 x EB, 1 x NP and 1 x HoD a good setup for visions?
edgy pawn
think id go 3ss 2np 1dd then
only think dangerous in visions are the bosses
and bosses just fall over with ss+np
young portal
Roger that, also is leeching poison taken instead of cheat death? Apologies if these are noob questions been doing them as outlaw till I got the azerite
young portal
Spot on, thanks a bunch!
edgy pawn
np
silver musk
is tentacle corruption proc scale with haste or pure rng?
dark crag
Proc is not hasted
silver musk
tyvm
prime monolith
hey guys uh, so, I'm ilvl 456 on my rogue assa ST, got every mask, and I need like 2 points in sanity quantity talent and 1 in the haste talent per mob killed.. I can't seem to be able to finish the 5 mask run in solo.. any tip/guide/suggestion?
or should I just keep farming mementos to completely cap the talent tree?
or do I need higher ilvl or assa is just no good for horrific visions?
edgy pawn
what azerite are you running?
there are some videos on youtube of sin rogues running 5 masks, you can get some tips there
prime monolith
I mean I am no hardcore, I dont really have any additional gear piece even if I wanted to.. but
I have a 2x muti, 1x shrouded, 1x twist the knife
edgy pawn
try and get 3ss
prime monolith
I just exchanged a piece yesterday and I coukd arrange a 2x shrouded instead of a 2c muti but I'd lose an overwhelming power
edgy pawn
´do that
crimson palm
assa is piss easy
dont even need 3x np, just switch your azerite to ST gear before boss
tho with exsan and that build they evaporate 😄
young portal
Blood major, Lucid, VoP + Breath minor for visions?
distant lava
I use PP instead of vop
young portal
Sweet, thanks. I'm assuming coral is bad in them too
prime monolith
@crimson palm exsanguinate over toxic blade?
@crimson palm the problem is that I am no hardcore gamer so I dont really have any gear to switch mid-run 
@edgy pawn whats the ideal haste % a ST assa should have?
pine pilot
for AoE openers "G1 G2 G3 CT FoK R1 BotE 5xFoK" the garrots are all on a different target? when i sim for dungeon slice HB sims best (i have 2 echoing blades) is that correct? for standard rotation on a aoe pack (say 3 enemies) do i prioritize keeping garrots and ruptures up on all targets and spending CP's on envenoms where possible (idealy with TB)? sorry for all the questions only just got the gear to play around with Sin.
flat wadi
What traits should I be looking for m+?
edgy pawn
there's no ideal amount of anything, you need to sim yourself
naive elm
some stats sim higher than others though
young portal
@pine pilot Firstly you don't sim dungeon slice for sin, its totally feelcraft you have to follow. Garrotes in opener are on different targets yes. I believe Hidden Blades is hardly used, take CT or PB(situational on dungeon/affixes). For your 3 enemy example you keep your empowered garrotes from stealth up and once they fall off you apply ruptures to your targets instead. Never apply standard garrotes for energy upkeep on trash. Combo points are spent on envenoms on prio target yes assuming bleeds have a healthy amount left
pine pilot
thank you, so dont use garrot outside of subterfuge?
young portal
Pretty much yeah
edgy pawn
only on ST
crimson palm
@prime monolith yes, exsan is better for very short fights
peak musk
are there any conditions for the ra-den trinket? Got it yesterday and it sims - 700dps 🙄
obtuse perch
Naladra using a DD/SS build for Workshop, is this a thing now? I can understand it I guess
ocean ore
if tyranical maybe should be for pure single
adds in workshop isnt a problem without fortified
but...not for sure
prime monolith
@flat wadi 3x shrouded suffocation and at least 1 echoing blades
obtuse perch
it seems like 3ss+ttk,np,hod, etc would be better
prime monolith
@flat wadi also you should prioritize crit over haste for aoe
ocean ore
think it too
prime monolith
@crimson palm what talent build do you do for horrific visions?
peak musk
@edgy pawn Vita ...
edgy pawn
what trinkets do you got that it sims that bad?
edgy pawn
í would sell a kidney for 455 coral 😄
peak musk
ikr ... but little bit disappointed with the vita sim. 🤔
thought i can finally dumb font
prime monolith
@crimson palm as for the traits, I only dispose of these combinations:
• 2x shrouded, 3x twist the knife, 1x np
• 2x muti, 2x twist the knife, 1xnp, 1x meticulous scheming
which should I use best?
edgy pawn
for what? visions?
prime monolith
yes
edgy pawn
the 1st one
prime monolith
a'ight
edgy pawn
ss is king in visions
onyx hedge
Apart from gurak tul shoulders are their any decent M+ azerite for st?
onyx hedge
pretty sure its maut head gurak shoulders and vex chest right?
crimson palm
ra-den's head is better
edgy pawn
got a ttk/np/op helm from the vendor, forget the name
edgy pawn
sims 26dps better that maut helmet
lethal heart
but
cobalt pelican
circlet
onyx hedge
i got mythic maut head, gorak tuls and then only 460 vex chest cause we progging on hivemind atm 4/12
lethal heart
there are still some good vendor options
cobalt pelican
pretty sure you still just go vex heroic/mythic, maut mythic/goggles or raden heroic and then gorak/extravagant
depending on your level of play and progress
maybe loa is better than maut
seems p likely
cobalt pelican
uhhhhhh
sure
if you don't have an np already probably
it's likely not that big if you do
onyx hedge
Problem is i have heart of darkness chest from vex so i would need heart on headpeice with dd and then a np dd on chest
i dont think ima find it
cobalt pelican
vex chest does indeed have it
it's probably ideal to get maut helm but like i said it's a list of varying gear for people at different levels
not everyone (somehow) can kill maut mythic or raid at all
faint harness
ra den helm
storm perch
is it possible to get 3eb/3dd azerite pieces?
cobalt pelican
yes, long term it'll obviously be that actual good items
like raden mythic, nzoth mythic, vex mythic
with goraks interchangable
but this is for de n0oblets
onyx hedge
i think n'zoth gona be better than goraks
hollow raven
cobalt pelican
raz said it's pretty close/goraks is still better and he's at the point he could have them so
onyx hedge
tbh i dont think there is anything i can get from the vendor that is goign to benefit me
i have Mythic maut head, gorak shoulders, hc vex chest
and i dont think it worth going hc raden head and then finding some vendor chest with np dd
crimson palm
cepalohide is an upgrade over vex
cobalt pelican
it's pretty easy to check
onyx hedge
@crimson palm mbye
but its my only heart of darkness peice
and i would lose a dd if i did heart on headpeice
it would end up being
onyx hedge
it sims pretty high tbh
almost cant pass it
only upgrades on azerite for me are for raid and we have to prog there first, so i think the smartest play is prob sit tight and hold resid so if they change anything im set
my sims are still sub optimal, i could sim higher with clf but barely and BotE is performing better because of dmg windows and then my raid doesn't want to run WV, for now I'm basically stuck around the 75k range
crimson palm
well here's cephalohide for me
onyx hedge
Could anyone do a solid and see if they can get any higher
crimson palm
460 Vita or the 475 Wrath trinket are probably simming higher for you
onyx hedge
i prob didnt have a good setup for it tho
it was a 3k dps decrease for the 475 wrath trinket
crimson palm
wtf 😄
onyx hedge
lol
If anyone can do me a solid and try get higher that would be awesome as fuck https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/SxNyrr2xhpcTPz3Y5otM4
Exclude WV, raid wont run it
crimson palm
i dunno if i did smth wrong
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x3VZL1qx7NdRtQhe3dBUSa subt is simming better
onyx hedge
Dps is lower because i accidentally had vision on from doing something
crimson palm
& APL is broken, so It's most likely a higher dps gain
vestal wren
what is broken?
crimson palm
we were discussing it yesterday
with subt & bote it's doing some stupid stuff during 2nd vendetta window
wasting gcds in bote window instead of delaying for e.g.
cobalt pelican
the default timings are just really bad for it
i tried playing around with it but i couldn't get anything significantly better
crimson palm
I think you wait before dots expire
cobalt pelican
like vanishing even before pandemic on the first vanish was a gain because it would make the 2nd vanish be up before the bote combo
crimson palm
Atm It's using vendetta on CD
cobalt pelican
even though you'd waste a bit of the first empowered garrote, just because timings were better on the later garrotes it was a marginal gain
crimson palm
Then using BoTE after 13s
cobalt pelican
and i'm sure there's a better solution
crimson palm
Then refreshes rupture & garrote during bote
and tb is like randomly cast without any pooling
cobalt pelican
huh?
crimson palm
lemme show you
cobalt pelican
the bleeds during bote isn't even really a loss since they're almost always post-critdam buff
and the default timings for blood with no font is like
the 2:10 tb, 7-8 seconds after vend
cobalt pelican
the only awkward thing is vanish alignment
i know, i've looked at it a lot
the problem is
moving the vanish back slightly isn't a gain
and moving it forward is impossible without moving the first one forward
which is what i was trying to test initially
crimson palm
shouldn't it be
vanish before vendetta
emp garrote
then vendetta into bote tb window
so you get max benefit out of the tb window, and still empower a garrote during full vendetta duration?
as you get 22s when you reapply
onyx hedge
No lol
cobalt pelican
that'd be a 3-4 second tb cd hold trade for a few seconds of vendetta garrote when the garrote doesn't hit that hard
like all the problems with the sin apl that i notice all end up boiling down to tb alignment
crimson palm
if you don't lose on a tb cast it shouldn't be an issue no?
cobalt pelican
in the real world, no ofc not
but in the sim it will lose a tb cast on a decent chunk of iterations or at elast part of one
and then you're looking at very little gain if any at all
cobalt pelican
the way i currently play it is just
if i know vendetta timing will be tight
i vend on cd, but delay vanish to after the crit damage part of blood
if i know i have spare room for vendetta timing
i just hold to the 2:10 tb
playing font in general makes it all shitty but i don't do that shit anymore
potent raft
in ToS , on the first boss - does the lightning shield reflect garotte ticks?
cobalt pelican
you can apply it safely in the opener before the first shield is cast without taking damage at all
i usually just open like g r on shield guy and then g on the guy you actually kill
harsh sphinx
vestal wren
people will always create paterns they play with
crimson palm
does it make sense for the KPI to be amount of envenoms cast during TB windows instead of amount of TB casts?
vestal wren
i discussed this topic in legion a lot where people opted to delay symbols up to 10 secs to line everything up perfectly
scarlet sequoia
@potent raft u can apply bleeds as much as u want to if you have focus macros
doesnt trigger the shield dmg
vestal wren
so, in "reality" people lost multiple casts of symbols just bc. they played what was expected to be perfect for them
the problem with the sim is that you take a raid scenario and compare it to it
e.g. in a raid it could be possible that downtime does allow a good alignement
on pure st its hard to find a reasonable way without making it overall worse
what does not matter a lot on logs i guess
scarlet sequoia
ye
crimson palm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qgQbuLwpKtY8ejy8hHpoB8 check this for example
1:19:100
Envenom cast
1:20:442
Tb cast
faint harness
why is it 2 targets
scarlet sequoia
ah but bro u are trying so hard for nothing
are u a robot
are u gonna do exactly what this sim is gonna do
crimson palm
i just wanna know if there is a bug or not
crimson palm
yeah
vestal wren
idk how it can be buggy
probably wrong phrase
also i think people in here quite regularly overstate the impact of minor points
if the question is: is there room for improvements in <insert specific situation>, the answer is probably yes
if the question is: does it makes the result invalid? The answer is that it most likely does not change
crimson palm
i think a better question would be is subt simming better because of this specific gameplay
like would MA be better if played with all the overlaps we do
cobalt pelican
it's not a bug
on multitarget the delay condition for energy is completely removed
because your income is so high
and this won't happen on every sample
like, you have to realize when you're envenoming and refreshing rupture varies insanely and the power of the sim is that it can run 100k iterations
jaunty arrow
What to use in m+ r3 TD or severe r3 and honed mind r3? I feel like td isnt worth 
cobalt pelican
so even if the sample you get is unluck
storm perch
seems one more disc for nothing...
cobalt pelican
it's just whatever
it's possible that's it's straight up not worth refreshing bleeds at low multitarget counts during tb but
that's very different from a 'bug'
it's also not really a target count worth checking tbh there's no 2t anything atm
cobalt pelican
vex r eally isn't 2t though is it outside of the opener
and you'll be delaying vend anyway
so it'll line up with garrotes on the 1st pack after intermission and vanish anyway
crimson palm
don't know the timings yet, only had 3 pulls
cobalt pelican
well, there's plenty of wiggle room on vendetta unless you're really slow in the last phase and the only time it's really 2t is the very beginning
crimson palm
aha
cobalt pelican
and then she takes forever to come down, movement, bleed setup
crimson palm
so you actually do her the way it 'feels right'
not sure what the correct word is lol
cobalt pelican
generally if you're on reasonable pace on the boss it's
2t opener, second vend after s he comes down with vanish 3x garrotes for the first portal ads, hold 3rd vend for lust in last phase and then the boss is dead
if you're a slower guild then you might have to change it a bit
but just doing that naturally have vanish timed with vend anyway
tropic ocean
holding vend only if u actually kill it fast enough
or you'll lose vendetta
besides that I barely touch adds at all in vexiona only big add and enforcer, rest leaving it to the auto padlords
crimson palm
ideally is 4:30 transition to p3 right?
near apex
After the 1st set of adds die,you want to transition
So around 430 mb a bit sooner
In my case I used vendetta on cd,cause I’m getting sacrificed in p2
And I wanted to squeeze in one more before dying
vagrant tapir
How do you play dresT?
This major breath minor formless build
Does everyone have to be running formless minor?
spark oyster
No, you just have a 100% uptime on the buff because a lot of other ppl are running breath major
vagrant tapir
gotcha
so
Do you only use breath over 80 and under 20?
like, never let it have the full 45 second CD?
cobalt pelican
formless minor is pretty pointless
and ya just above 80 and below 20/for execute with some attention paid to tank debuff timing
sterile ocean
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
vagrant tapir
why is it pointless?
cobalt pelican
maybe pointless is a bit strong but if it's not simming better for you there's not really any reason to use it
you gain like 5% uptime in a drest environment to sim
cobalt pelican
it already sims at 92%~ uptime, there's really not much room for it to go up
cobalt pelican
it's just not a very good minor
it was fine when breath wasn't at rank 3 but now it has very little place unless you really want mainstat for some reason
vagrant tapir
how does it have that high of an uptime normally?
does it proc when vop major procs?
cobalt pelican
it's just the way it's defaulted to sim
usually it's a tanks crucible that would proc it on other fights
in the real world
vagrant tapir
right
cobalt pelican
this is the default setting in the sim
and it's a 20 second buff
so you have 2 seconds downtime each cycle
you can PROBABLY get a tiny bit more value out of it on drest since it'll be close to 100% uptime if you have a lot of your raid playing breath but when it's like -500dps or more from the next closest minor in regular sim it's just whatever
terse orchid
Dungeon Slice was inaccurate for assassination simming right?
tropic ocean
U basically have no room to play formless
In drest
Breath major lucid set cns set
then its most likely vop
as the only important thing in the fight is add control
white wyvern
@terse orchid Yes.
cunning spire
hey, the guides says to use vanish with vendetta when i have SS and subterfuge but in the opener i am supposed to not use my vanish until the empowered garrote has run out. Do i delay my 2nd vendetta then to wait for vanish?
terse orchid
So what do you use to sim M+?
sand whale
any vision major sin rogues here? it's now my top sim seen a few logs with it but I'd imagine it's all down to RNG
scenic nacelle
link logs
scarlet sequoia
good on the same fights infinite stars is good on
sand whale
man that's like RNG on RNG
scarlet sequoia
very rng based tho obviously, so if you enjoy that shit play style then go for it
sand whale
lol
hollow stone
@cunning spire yea, delay 2nd vend to resynch w vanish. Then keep then synched. Obv if the boss will die before that, just vend when its up for 2nd vend
cunning spire
alright, thanks 🙂
agile oar
Hey lads should i just be spamming boe and vandet in mythic plus?
tropic ocean
no
soft kayak
Can anyone explain why all the top logs are using Bote now instead of worldvein clf etc. I cant make it sim better for me, and I cant find anything written about it, or is it just because its better with vita coral?
strange python
sims better for people with good gear + lower cd
agile oar
its not that your gear is shit
royal lantern
people use bote because this raid is based around burst windows
has nothing too do with gear
agile oar
i was gonna say that the faster the boss dies the better boe is
soft kayak
fair enough
it makes sense on fights like ra-den and stuff but i was just confused by it being used on shadhar
but even then it has a use case cause boss moves away from shards a lot
strange python
thats where the "lower cd" part came into my answer 
but also clf doesn't sim higher than bote for most people
cobalt pelican
people just moved away from worldvein gradually when reality wasn't representing sim values
if it's still your best simmed at 1 or 0 allies feel free to use it, above that i wouldn't bother
bote is -300 for me, is good at all fight lengths kinda, has burst aoe if i need it and has all of it's damage centered in a 10 second window which means it's less punished by downtime as long as you can ensure you're hitting the boss during vend (which you should be doing anyway)
so i play it most of the time
soft kayak
yea that's very true
i found early in the tier worldvein was getting most of the value it simmed for because most of my raid was running it
viscid hill
Are those stats any good? Sin rogue for world pvp (and quests) with: 17.09% haste | 22.67% critic | 38.96% mast | 17.22 vers | 8.61% sorver, it's good? or should change those stats?
3x ttk + 2x np + 1x ss (optimal traits from my current gear, anything else is garbage)
viscid hill
ah, but lets say, for 1x1 ?
mossy lodge
i just told this boi to ask in here
cos i thought pvp was more for strats against certain situations
strange python
prime monolith
horrific vision major essence?
hollow stone
Do you have kidney shot bound?
prime monolith
iris?
hollow stone
Gratz on 2200
Bote or botd @prime monolith
Iris is fine too but you dont really do big pulls as sin
prime monolith
botd?
hollow stone
Breath of the dying
prime monolith
ah right
I just have rank1 for bote
is it ok to go botd?
what about the minors?
honestly i just use outlaw
hollow stone
Best would be 3ss 3np. You want as many ss as you can get your hands on if able
crimson palm
Bote > all
hollow stone
It lets you destroy pack by pack and shreds bosses
He (or she) only has r1 bote tho
crimson palm
Oh assumed he wrote botd lol
hollow stone
Or i would have recommended the same. Botd is a decent alternative if you dont have r3 bote
fading walrus
i have a stupid question guys but im new to keys as sin, does echoing blade
i mean as echoing blade spec do i spam knives for the proc or does it proc after 5 crit hits or 5 crit bleeds or only crits from kniges
knives*
cobalt pelican
huh
when you press fan of knives, each mob you hit with fan of knives will echo if it crits
up to 5
fading walrus
so it only procs of knives crits
hollow stone
Yes
rotund pier
Is there an ideal best visions talent/Azerite traits/essence setup list somewhere for sin?
And maybe corruption/trinks?
hollow stone
Standard st talents (can go exsang over tb to burn bosses if you wish, some really like it). 3ss 3np. Bote mj, lucid, botd, other minor (i use pp but c&s is prob better)
Corruption, expedient is really good. TA is good, basically st corruptions that arent IS because IS doesnt stack fast enough
Trinkets, cyclotronic is really good for bosses, then swap it in and out when its on cd for something else like spyglass or torment
Coral is the other trinket
rotund pier
Sweet thanks, been running pretty much what you listed so far. Just haven’t pushed more than a 2 yet(lazy I know). Guess it’s going to be World of Vision-craft farming for the rest of the xpac for sockets bleh
hollow stone
Planning your route and pulls will provide better results than having “the best set up”. So make sure you take the time to do that
Speaking of vision... vop is another option for your last minor slot
The guys in here who use vop minor for visions will defend it til their death
sudden trench
what are people simming at these days as assas for ST - PW - 5min
im only getting 78k out of my sim
rotund pier
If you’re like 470ish then 80kish
hollow stone
90k is a high sim. 78k is pretty avg for a mythic raider
shut garnet
around 75k is average i would say
with sensible corruption
no one is simming 90k on assa with <60 corr btw
im 99% sure
hollow stone
Really? I assumed we’d have some lucker dogs in here pushing that 90k sim by now
Man, 78k sim is not a feelsbad
Lol
sudden trench
mate how do i keep up with this
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oUCu5zuPij3LVwmG98hvYj
prime monolith
lol
hollow stone
Easy, just go dh: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vhGceaHrnJrhhThXaKtM9o
hollow stone
Next week he’ll be sub 60 corruption w that sim
rotund pier
What are people raiding with though? Are most still sub 40 corruption?
honest vessel
my gm wont let me go higher >.<
honest vessel
does the slow not make u wanna kill urself?
hollow stone
Not really
rotund pier
This^
honest vessel
i only run 38 and i hate it
rotund pier
Same
rotund pier
With how much corruption?
hollow stone
Raz needs to step up n hit that 90k then 🙂
honest vessel
i was simming all my corruption last week and from 28-64 corruption i gained 1k dps
huge
then i got insane upgrades this week and life is good
rotund pier
Cara won’t drop dags for me, so tilting, both is like a 4K increase for me
cobalt pelican
90 with stars is surely not that hard
i sim like 83k without
raz was like 87k or some shit last time i saw but it's been a while so idk
tawny shell
84.8 with 38 corruption
sudden trench
So what you guys are telling me is - we cant compete with DH and War ^^
cobalt pelican
in sim numbers? no not really
it's been that way all expansion
or at least for a very long time
prime monolith
where do you guys find the best performing players in raidbot?
is there like a ranking or?
cobalt pelican
no
generally the highest simming players are also conveniently the people who share the sims the most
so they just end up circulating class discords
prime monolith
oh
scarlet sequoia
85k with 58 corruption no infinite stars
hollow stone
Yea. That dh sim was from dh disc a day or so ago, for example
mighty torrent
hey guys, i know the answer is to always trust sims but i want to check something, I ran a sim and its telling me to use subterfuge over MA even without any SS traits for PW, is this right? sim link for clarity https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qNcBDUdrTCcH6teyGvcKgv
honest vessel
yup def right
subt scales better
and bote + vanish + coral is wasting some crit value during bote at some crit levels
loses out on some deeps
but mainly subt scales better
mighty torrent
alright perfect, so use vanish to reapply garote now as if running an SS trait rather than using it with envenom etc? 🙂
fleet anchor
All you really have to do is reapply at any point when vanish comes off cooldown. Ideally during Vendetta and with max Pandemic. However it’s generally better to use aggressively than to hold things. Especially on ST it only eats one global so it’s not such a large timing issue like MA.
Most important thing is obviously not to refresh the buffed Garrote in pandemic like normal.
honest vessel
should you wait for the whole garrote to fall off then or like around .5 seconds kinda thing
kinda specific, but do u know?
i guess optimally it would be after the final tick
autumn slate
Let it fall of I believe
autumn slate
I would play it like when we had SS traits
fleet anchor
Generally you can refresh it once the final full tick happens and not worry about the partial tick. But it is not a huge deal either way. Just make sure you don’t have downtime.
honest vessel
thx cutie
honest vessel
this seems very wrong
white wyvern
Here we go again.
harsh sphinx
white wyvern
Yesterday yeah. lmao
primal yoke
I saw something about this mentioned earlier, but didn't quite understand it. So if you are running MA, BotE, & Coral...is that an excessive amount of crit during your Vend/TB burst window? Is it worth it at all to save either BotE or Coral for your next TB window?
honest vessel
i think there was talk about saving the bote til after the vanish window? or maybe visa versa, but i dont think anything was concrete on that matter yet
honest vessel
third vendetta window with subt
honest vessel
yeah lol
its not even on cd
it did blood right before the vanish
might involve that
white wyvern
oh lmao 
rigid mango
@fleet anchor this a single iteration issue or? Seems like quite the big deal literally not using subt 😄
honest vessel
@white wyvern u baited me into thinking this was already discussed!
white wyvern
I mean I just quickly grouped it into the issue discussed yesterday, but no G in Vanish seems much worse.
oops
honest vessel
lol
rigid mango
Does seem quite bad yeah
cobalt pelican
are you actually sure it's a subt sim
honest vessel
yes
cobalt pelican
can you link it
honest vessel
u can see the buff in the screenshot
cobalt pelican
i'm curious
cobalt pelican
going to guess it's something to do with it being the very end of the iteration
cobalt pelican
standard variance
if you sim at 5 min the default is 20% variance i think above and below
honest vessel
oooh
cobalt pelican
it's still not correct for sure, and i might be wrong in my assumption
but it seems like the vanish is hard coded to be pressed but there's a ttd constraint on garrote that's not matched or something so it just continues on its merry way
honest vessel
yeah thats gotta be it
cobalt pelican
prolly best if one of the tc guys looks at it though cause i have a small brain
white wyvern
rigid mango
Aight then all gucci ig
honest vessel
does seem that way
fleet anchor
If it’s at the end of the iteration then yeah. DoT sub-APL won’t refresh Garrote if it’s below N seconds time to die. Could maybe tweak that with Subterfuge. Can’t imagine it would make any substantive difference.
It’s a 4s threshold I believe
On my phone right now so can’t check
strange python
there is a guy who sells these for 200k
https://gyazo.com/18db12869c3ad24e838f9d2bd7f25319
is it worth?
honest vessel
i wouldnt, personal call
distant lava
I wouldn't either
echo cargo
Big trash
strange python
aight ty
weary marten
Hey guys, how much corruption do you run if you go above 39 not to be in real danger ? in ST / MM+
weary marten
how much does the add hit for if it ever hits you ?
another quick question : how does corruption stack ? if i have for example 2 x infinite stars, does it increase proc rate or just dmg ?
tropic ocean
just dmg
and it depends on how much corruption u have
anything from 150 to 350k
but if you play properly u wont take dmg from it unless there proc 3 or more in a row
loud light
@weary marten except for the ra-den weapon, all the corruptions seem to keep the same proc rate but the damage stacks
weary marten
Thanks for your answers 🙂
I usually try to not be a burden for my healers so i run <39 and go out of my eye but sometimes i would like more dps ^^
balmy condor
mind flay seems to also do proc rate
I have 3 mind flay, and they've all procced at once
tropic ocean
no
tropic ocean
stacking traits increases dmg nothing else
echo cargo
^^
flat wadi
Is there any point in going assa in m+ over outlaw other than personal preference?
wet ruin
do you reckon 470 GW is worth putting a socket on
thorn falcon
nice flex lol
wet ruin
nah, it would be a flex if I said I already put a socket on a 475 vita and this will be my second one 😄
thorn falcon
my rngesus
wet ruin
well its the one good corruption I have since I got the 3 sec cd reduction one and similar shit in my chest for the first few weeks
quasi pewter
imagine having one good corruption
true pelican
for anyone using division + overclocking rings, are there any bosses where you can't keep the buff up?
silver musk
nope
true pelican
ty
sacred ore
I use fan of knives when there are 3 or more targets? or 2 or more targets?
uneven igloo
which better build for who 3x gushing wound? haste>mastery>criti? or haste>critc>mastery?
quasi pewter
whole grotto
how are you guys opening on ra-den? that orb comes out like 5 sec after the opener, so I've been delaying tb/vendetta until after orb, but not sure if thats best
faint harness
not hitting the orb
whole grotto
just skipping orb entirely?
cobalt pelican
you have to be running a really wild raid comp to need melee to be hitting the first orb
whole grotto
hmm, ill take the advice back, thx:)
faint harness
DH can TG it for the 5% magic debuff
tawdry rune
what is the best stat prio for assassination rogue?
haste
mast, crit and vers yeah?
quasi pewter
sim 🙂
lyric birch
is galecallers boon actually a viable trinket to grind for or is it too gimmicky?
fair relic
Dungeon slice is telling me race pulse (hast proc) over hone mind (mastery proc) for m+. Is that right o.O?
arctic walrus
no because you shouldn't be using dslice for this spec
the mastery would be better than haste
fair relic
What is the best way to sim for m+?
white wyvern
There's a script in #wow-general that's okay. The best would be to do multiple sims with varying mob sizes for like 20-40 seconds with no lust and some ST for a few minutes and use your brain to analyze it.
There is just not a good way to sim for dungeons because there are so many variables.
fair relic
Word, thank you
arctic walrus
basically you just want 3ss 1 eb and stack mastery/crit
white wyvern
err 1 EB probably not worth.
flat wadi
Is there any benefit in going assa in m+ over outlaw other than personal preference? Like assa but outlaw seems so much easier to gear towards but more stale gameplay
white wyvern
Other than Sin having big prio damage not really.
rigid mango
Sin can optimise for dungeons and be best in a field of choice, outlaw is always in the inbetween. Say you want ridic aoe and focus on mowing down huge packs, 3 eb ss with big stats and big pulls and sin will reach ahead. Come to a boss fight and sin suffers. Vice versa goes for other situations. Dungeons with low mob density, I'll pick KR and WS as examples, favour sin. Angling all your damage into dealing with these low target sized pulls makes sin considerably more potent, and not only that but also optimising boss damage in dungeons with a certain emphasis on the bosses at the same time. Sin is possibly the best spec in the game for these scenarios and is highly looked over.
Other stuff like speeding up the dungeon by optimising comp into people with heavy aoe and then having a sin deal with select targets each pack is also a possible time gain in overall speed and execution of the key, but will not show on the meters.
Hope this answers your question 😄 @flat wadi
crimson sparrow
anyone know how many points of vers = 1 percent?
summer valve
85 for dmg/heal, 170 for DR
crimson sparrow
thanks!
echo cargo
Speaking of some key-cheesing for Sin, if you're doing Workshop (moreso than JY), you can set your hearth to Mechagon and gear swap mid-key. Run ST for the first two bosses, hearth, swap to AoE for the big packs.
rigid mango
big packs? normally just fine/optimal w standard shit
echo cargo
The gauntlet of packs after second boss and then the pack before third boss.
Just found it really easy since once the second boss is dead you spawn at it, so the hearth -> re-entrance takes maybe all of 5 seconds
rigid mango
Gauntlet is better when using standard SS setup though
And so is most packs
Since they consist of high prio targets
And it's also the best setup for bosses, so dunno why you wouldn't just run it perma
echo cargo
🤷 I only have a standard raiding set + a FoK / SS setup with no real inbetween
Found it convenient to go from one to the other, swap trinkets, etc
tribal marlin
https://i.imgur.com/qDymTLT.png
https://i.imgur.com/c6RZVCP.png
I disgust myself
padding over 9000
vast forum
Why pb if you wanna pad?
minor garden
what does best drop mean (vs expected value) in droptimizer raidbots? is it with best corruption or whaT?
prime monolith
guys, is the fact that assa is the only rog spec that can cast mount, hearthstone, gadgets and so on without breaking stealth an intended thing or just a bug Blizz is still unaware of?
young portal
@minor garden Expected value means the average upgrade of the items from that slot/boss (depends what you've simmed) with the values of downgrades being set at 0(not negative)
I think
honest basin
I know haste is kind of low on the prio list for m+, but is there a recommended % ? Can't seem to see it on guides/steams, and even though multi dotting makes up for low haste it doesn't feel right on boss fights.
minor garden
is it worth losing some uptime on garrote / rupture in order to get 3 envenoms in after using toxic blade? And also is it worth not using toxic on cd in order to refresh dots or wait for approx 100 energy before casting it?=
i mean which one is better
or should i just do toxic and then refresh durations ?
and accept only 2 envenoms
surreal halo
@minor garden Typically you want to be planning ahead and pooling your energy for when you hit Toxic Blade. I typically aim for 80% or so. You always want to use Toxic Blade on CD. Try and factor this into your planning. Sometimes I might refresh rupture/garrote a little earlier to maximise damage in TB windows.
2 envenoms is what your aiming for though.
runic tinsel
3 envs is almost guaranteed with planning ahead, i usually refresh bleeds if its less than 15sec and TB is coming up soon then pool. but honestly, its easier to just always pool before using a finisher, less chance to be caught of guard and you also get more value out of Elaborate planning
Btw, is galecallers simbait? i sim 1k more with it than vita of same ilvl
honest basin
Well it assumes you always have it for full duration
But if a mechanic makes you move out or delay it then you lose dmg
distant cypress
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
runic tinsel
@honest basin but thats true for any trinket tho right
if i have to move when it procs i lose damage
tropic ocean
@echo cargo workshop is literally a super good key for sin, I run 3 ss 3 np 0 eb cuz so little trash
but u will delete all of the hard mobs/obelisks/bosses and top meter still
latent gazelle
is the opener for raids with subt listed anywhere? saw someone say it was g,m,g,r but sim saying g,m,r
tropic ocean
on ravenholdt.net should be
honest basin
@runic tinsel Not as much as for a trinket that has a positional requirement
latent gazelle
okay ty Aus
honest basin
Say you have a proc of Vita and need to move far, well, at least your dots tick faster
Say you have a vita proc and tanks need to move 10y, you don't waste anything
In both scenarios with Gale you waste it
distant cypress
is 2% dps increase worth puryfing appendage II dagger and squeeze in strikethrough III in my corruption setup?
arctic walrus
How much corruption do you have if you have both on
distant cypress
with other pieces will give me 73 active corruption
would prefer to stay below 60
scarlet sequoia
distant cypress
if you have 4 racing pulse pieces on, doest that gives you 4 individual proccs or just one but increased by other pieces?
distant lava
just one
arctic walrus
One but added haste
distant cypress
for the past 3 weeks nothing else drops for me but racing pulse II and III sigh, except 430 infinite stars gloves
feels haste man
covert mesa
racing pulse is not bad
distant cypress
i have boots ring, gloves, wrists and dagger with racing pulls II and III, missing belt and pants and i will be complete
covert mesa
ha ha 😄
distant cypress
I know I know.. Idk I just wish I will get GW before guild stops raiding and goes on a break
vestal wren
you could plot out your profile and see whats actually best
grand jasper
which weapon enchant is the best for assa rogue?
arctic walrus
Sim yourself
unkempt solstice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/28n9p8PreEuXTNn7vHMpKe I didn't think those where BiS essense, but raidbots says they are for me.
scarlet sequoia
its almost as if its different from gamer to gamer
random arrow
Does anyone have a google sheet with all bis gear for assassination rogue ?
arctic walrus
Maybe from 3 expansions ago
vestal wren
!azerite is okay if it comes to azerite armor
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
hard garnet
does anyone know how to change your cloak level on raidbots?
as I wanna see what I would sim with a rank 12 cloak
latent gazelle
Is rank 12 higher then your current rank?
hard garnet
yeah
my current cloak rank is only 10 atm
I had internet issues last week and wasted majority of my vessels
shame too as I saved them from past weeks
keen dome
I just add 7 to the max corruption slider in top gear
viscid hill
I have two gears with the tentacles, when it procs does it sums the damage from the two gears or Just from the gear that proc'd it?
marble hemlock
adds it
maiden raptor
what are the igly shoulders good for again? i actually forgot 
blissful prairie
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6285 is the ilvl of cloak, +1 -1 to change rank 6285 is rank 14 🙂
autumn girder
Refresh dots before (without pandemic) tb or in the tb window (with pandemic) refresh? raidbots does it in the tb window and i wanted to ask if it is correct
quasi pewter
it is
gentle dragon
I have double tendies + 1 deadly momentum r3
53 corruption, would you cleanse deadly momentum
viscid hill
@marble hemlock ty!
full flicker
debilitating spit by dog boss cant be cloaked right?
wheat plank
while toxic blade, should i priorize envenom over refresh rupture?
strange python
prioritize not having to rupture during tb
wheat plank
roger that
next arch
Tb vs exsanguinate with 2-3 shrouded
plain moon
@quasi pewter did something change? Hasn't the answer to refreshing during TB been its slightly better to just do it before TB
bitter rock
is blood of the enemy the norm in raid now?
plain moon
Well anything longer than that and it’s falling off after TB anyways
cobalt pelican
it just ends up being insignificant whatever you do honestly
hallow kraken
what pot do you guys use for m+? for aoe situations
hoary crown
Is haste really the go to stat for assa in 2s?