What's that target number though? That's what I never understood. Ttk and EB obviously change the target priority but when do you spam FOK over all else?
#assassination
raw oasis
dark crag
Build with fok and spend
Keep bleeds for energy and use envenom on prio mobs
You will more likely fail a key because your group missed a cast to kick than min maxing fok spam vs just spending cps
raw oasis
Truth. But min maxing is for the most part the point of these discords right?
dark crag
For things like raidbosses that are most of the time static, but m+ is a fluid game mode with ever changing variables
Group comp, affixes, time of day, have you eaten your meals? Can all change the run in the next moment
Have fun is all you need
Ofcourse there is some basic stuff that gets mathed out like dd for aoe is bad etc
maiden raptor
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crisp hollow
plus good players can make anything work lol, some of morningwind's setups early this patch were real head scratchers but he was timing hella high
dark crag
Don't forget that it is group content
tribal marlin
I play 3ss 2NP 1ttk on workshop/KR fortified
it's just insane burst of dmg on priority target such as Hexer, Kings/Queens or Zul/bosses
Spiked at 192k dps on Zul this week on a 19KR, peeps in my group told me they never seen even a good fire mage spiking that high
cobalt pelican
i think the only notable change in gameplay with 0eb is that you still mut on 2-3t
tribal marlin
That's pretty much all I guess yes
dark token
with one double dose you mut at 4 right?
next solar
@tribal marlin thats some spicy dmg, what trinks? people underestimate 3xss + 2NP with blood. its pretty ridiculous On demand burst
tropic ocean
@raw oasis in this week especially its way more beneficial to fok build envenom than spam fok for overall
E.g. in atal left side double pack i just vendetta tb bote confessor and build with fok and pump into confessor, less overall, super value for group
rancid spade
what happened to eb?
cobalt pelican
nothing, it's still a great trait
you just don't get big value out of it sometimes
next solar
gah imagine playing a class that only gets nerfed throughout an entire expac lol
summer moon
cobalt pelican
was there a question following this link or
harsh anchor
flex ofc
cobalt pelican
it's pretty mediocre for a stars wv sim though
arctic tulip
what are the wep enchants for your daggers?
strange python
I only sim 71k as sin and u say 78k is mediocre? Fml
cobalt pelican
it's a high number compared to a normal sim, but stars pads out sim numbers a loooooot
like a person simming 80k with no stars and a person simming 79k with stars are quite far apart in gear
last gyro
is there a pvp guide for assa ? what talents to pick etc ?
last gyro
thank you for helping me out
swift sparrow
pvp channel has the links too in pins
crisp hollow
do you know if any pvp pieces have an SS+EB combo? I have a rival trophy i need to find a use for
small island
no theres no pvp piece with ss eb
dark crag
Normal sim with 80k without stars? How?
sullen pagoda
by not playing rogue 
vast forum
by being raz
wanton estuary
hey is there somone in here that have the time to explain, help me a bit, white elvui and som tips etc, in the voice channel?
vast forum
that's more of a #wow-general
strange python
How should one use Ashvane's Razor Coral? It's giving me a bit headache atm
rigid mango
Do you have font too? @strange python
strange python
Nope
rigid mango
Then just apply and let the stacks accumulate, and then use it with vendetta and reapply it after
Let them stack up again, rinse and repeat
strange python
So basically just line it up with major cooldowns?
strange python
Alright, and thanks! 🙂
rigid mango
👍
tacit wing
Is spyglass and coral bis for m+?
night vale
Doesn’t torment scale off haste? I have 475 version and it feels really bad in m+? I do have low haste though so that could be it
rigid mango
It's doing like 5-6.5% of my overall in most keys
Dogshit for ws though, as I noticed
sweet inlet
Am i right in thinking that having at least 1x EB is better than securing the 3x SS?
short quarry
How do I use coral in M+?
wild lion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hTnP6Gi7QsUyTQKSuj9yed why is no enchant on mainhand better than any enchant?
vast forum
cuz you're simming different other stuff
in your top dps, you have beam major
so it's simming higher than all the bote options
dungeon slice bad for assa, don't trust it
wild lion
ah i see, ty
cold apex
guys i got a question regarding the sim dps of double dose
could it be, that the sim of this patricular trait is wrong ?
arctic walrus
Because?
cold apex
ill through you some logs and sims
give me a moment
this is the sim dps
and if you look at the double dose dmg, you can see, that it should out dps the main hand mutilate
short quarry
Which fight style should I use for simming M+ in raidbots? Sorry if it was answered already, couldn't find it
cold apex
but if you look at fights like maut, where you could blast pretty much your ST rotation and look at logs, the double dose has not the desired dmg
short quarry
@arctic walrus Alright tyvm 🙂
I've been looking for that answer for a while
cold apex
even if you look at the mutilate casts (sim 107, fight 102) they are pretty accurate
patent topaz
arctic walrus
Check env on logs, both have quite horrible uptime, while the sim has 80%+
cold apex
env casts (sim 52, fight 51) ?
arctic walrus
Doesn’t matter about casts check uptime
That 2nd log had 64
Dd is directly tied to poison application, and managing your energy around those 5-7 seconds gives you more procs
This is an example of my log where I had 86% uptime on env
arctic walrus
Anything above 80 is good i guess
cold apex
thanks a lot
didnt know this is such of an importance
is there some way to improve the uptime in particular ?
arctic walrus
Don’t clip the env buff
So if you just envenomed, 7s left and you get 4cp on next mutilate, pool the energy and just sit while it ticks down
cold apex
this was just an example, i had checked all logs on maut where this was the case, but @arctic walrus pointed out the mistake
thanks for your help
short quarry
I should care about the uptime of elaborate planning or just env?
arctic walrus
Mostly envenom but if you’re healthy on energy you can ep
short quarry
Okay ty
warm parcel
Idno man
You had 80% of your mutis hit during env
Not like you mutid raw
Nor that you can even do anything about it when your mut crit is at 20%
Again, youre comparing a pull to 20602 pulls
What you instead could improve is the random feinting again
Dno sup with rogues and feinting on maut
And not stepping back from dropping pools
Thats some practical dps loss
cold apex
the feint was due to survival ^^
cold apex
it does not affect the dmg reflect?
faint harness
if you have speced into elusiveness it does
warm parcel
You didnt even feint during the reflect
cold apex
not even with the talent ?
warm parcel
You feint randomly while nothings happening
And if you pick elu, sure it should
But thats just not wise either if you ask me
cold apex
what do you prefere ?
warm parcel
I dont think theres a boss where you shouldnt use cheat death
warm parcel
What ever floats ya boat
patent topaz
I always use cheat death because im a bitch
vast forum
leeching poison seems good for maut tbh but that's all
if you trust your healers to use an external on you during burst
civic hinge
Quick question, can the secondary fok from EB apply poisons? e.g. Not proccing the direct dmg but apply the effect
(it's mostly meant about range your fok can cover)
patent topaz
trusting healers 
runic tinsel
what talents would you run for N'zoth heroic? we killed him a few time already but i need to pad.. one of our officers hates me and refuse to invite me for mythic unless i do insane damage during our HC clear
patent topaz
padding inst exactly desired in mythic
warm parcel
Sounds like a problematic M proge incoming
Cause thats exactly the opposite of what mythic is lmao
runic tinsel
he got no clue of what padding is tho, he is a shit officer and a crap raidleader. he literally only looks at overall dps
royal lantern
tell your officer he is legit stupid, has no clue about raiding and sould step down from the officer role lol
patent topaz
run font bote and pop cds on the weakened add
runic tinsel
i was top dps on both psychus and N'zoth last week, but my overall wasnt the best
patent topaz
eksdee
warm parcel
This was our M nozoth kill dps
So
Just tell him overall is fucking pointless
And a useless metric
royal lantern
blast psychus when he is at 4-5 stacks with everything and then say every 5 sec in voice chat "OMG guys look at my dps"
jkjk lub u
warm parcel
Xoxo
arctic walrus
Did you kill with vision btw
patent topaz
my guild is so dead wtf
royal lantern
rez it
patent topaz
cant, dont have that spell
11 sign ups for mondays raid and its the only raid this week again, maybe we will do 10/12 hc
royal lantern
engineering m8
patent topaz
forgot
modest tendon
do the M+ aoe openners still apply without eb's?
drifting nimbus
faint harness
all that useful psychus dmg
drifting nimbus
leader sayed we need dmg on psychus i dont jused vendetta on him
ashen solar
padding on psychus is fun
drifting nimbus
ye 😄
strange python
hey guys, maybe im dumb, but can anyone explain me, what makes font so good vs for example pvp trinket? i mean both are on use primary stat on 2min cooldown, and pvp trinket got more stats 😮 what im missing?
gusty mirage
It’s not better than the new pvp trinket assuming the badge is a high ilvl. But if your sim is saying the font is better, it’s probably because of the crit
strange python
yea i wonder why everyone still plays font when there is 475 pvp trinket available
cobalt pelican
font is a 30 second buff, the pvp badge is a 20 second buff
the buff being longer gives you a window to have 2 on use trinkets active at the same time during your burst, which is very powerful
if you're playing font or pvp trinket+a passive trinket like vita, chances are the pvp trinket is better at this point
just, p much everyone has coral and coral is significantly better than font so if you end up dropping one of them you drop the font for vita or something instead of font
vast forum
you can stack font + coral for 14 seconds
you can't stack badge and coral
simple as that
proud grove
hello do you know if the twisted appendage dammage is modified by vendetta ?
cobalt pelican
it does not
proud grove
ok thank you
true nexus
is vita trinket bad for m+
crystal vault
does mindflay procc of poisons ?
cobalt pelican
it procs from any damage instance i believe
and vita is pretty bad just by nature of being haste on haste, might be nice to use in some dungeons i guess
like junkyard or a boss heavy dungeon
cobalt pelican
i'd personally just play coral deadeyes
but if you absolutely refuse to play coral, deadeyes torment and swap torment for vita in junkyard or maybe like kr or something
true nexus
i use coral as outlaw all the time i dont really refuse
just didnt know if it was as good for sin
royal lantern
crit is one of the 2 stats you want as sin for m+(with mastery)
and coral is a high uptime crit boost, its good just because of that alone
arctic tulip
what are the primary stats for sin? I read different things on diffrent sites..
strange python
Sim
Differs for everyone
Generally though? Haste Crit Mast for Singletarget, and Crit Mastery Vers Haste for AoE/m+
But that can differ for everyone
arctic tulip
gotcha.. thanks
strange python
Just go to raidbots and Sim your topgear and enchants
To get a definitive answer, at least for raids
faint trout
For an alt running normal mode, is rank 2 worldvein a better major choice than rank 3 condensed life force?
rigid mango
Sim it 🙂
faint trout
I was afraid you’d say that 🙂
true nexus
whats a good sim for m+
4 targets 40s no lust?
my twilight dev did half its damage in one big TD beach pull
lmao
viscid lichen
can anyone take a look at few of these and tell me what Im doing wrong
because I feel like i play really good but dps is a bit lacking imo
which leads me to conclusion that Im missing something I dont know about
also tb pooling could be a bit better yes
quick egret
How on earth do you do damage on nzoth?
I keep getting 48k but it's well down the dps metres
rose violet
you vendetta psychus
rigid mango
48k is still fuckall
rigid mango
Sounds like a bad idea
quick egret
what should I be doing?
rigid mango
Hitting prio targets
quick egret
Yeah tentacles but they die too fast for my dots to do anything
rigid mango
Should be able to garrote main target
rupture main one
Like, I don't spread too much but 48k is very low
quick egret
Yeah and im 462
cunning geyser
Hey my 465 socket cannonball sims higher than my Font of power 435 socket in ST, does that seem fair ?
patent topaz
canonball isnt good in practice
true nexus
i think the only time its "good" its on like
radiance type bosses that never move
even then people never run it
jovial oriole
quick question guys, with the vita-charged titanshard trinket, can you get double or even more stacks of the group buff in raid, if several people in your group use it?
the haste proc for your 5man group I mean
thinking if we should make the groups so there is only one person with the trinket in each group, that's why
quasi scroll
Is Purification Protocol ever good?
I just ran it in a Freehold and it seems like trash?
vast forum
4.22% of your dmg from a minor doesn't seem like trash
it's just inconsistent
but no, it's almost never the best option
steel summit
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royal lantern
the thing is more like
why take pp when it does 4,22%of your dmg
when you can take C&S wich is a ~5%dmg increase on everything with a 100%uptime
subtle tundra
idk i havent had 100% uptime on c&s
hallow kraken
is it worth swapping out corrupted items that grant haste buff in exchange for slightly lower ilvl pieces that have crit/mastery/versa stats for m+?
drifting cloud
most likely yes
depends on the exact item, just thinkof haste as like x2 worse than any other stat for m+ for feelycraft purposes
distant cypress
Hey guys, quick question, what do you set in Surging Vitality uptime thingie in raidbots ? How do you sim that specific corruption ?
rigid mango
Check logs for it fight to fight
supple pelican
Anyone played with Apothecary's Concoctions before?
hoary crown
How much are you guys siming? High geared rogues
rigid mango
I'd say 75-77 is good going
faint harness
well got decent gear but not bis corruptions, about 78k
tropic ocean
been trying the 3 ss 3 np vision shit on king rest
competitive overall (67k) and completely melting the hard mobs
supple pelican
78k sim?
hoary crown
I’m sitting at fckn 72 k sim
hoary crown
472
faint harness
are you just equipping highest gear you get or what
supple pelican
I have really fucking bad corruption tbh
hoary crown
No I dont, sim everything
hoary crown
Worst thing that they ever implemented tbh
tropic ocean
my newest macro for hc is bound to envenom /y HEALERS HELLO???????
tropic ocean
just like tentacle
sometimes theres 3 tentacles out whipping the shit out of everything
then theres 0
🤷
quasi pewter
stars is also just bad on most bosses
vast forum
no, has decent uptime
faint harness
use on tendies
untold stream
So we don't stack it and use it almost on CD ?
faint harness
when the tendies die, you gain the crit and its up again
so you just reapply it on the next tendie, and keep the crit rolling
its like in m+
maiden raptor
Is mindflay the only corruption that proccs from dot ticks?
strange python
did the big pull in tol dagor today for the first time in a 17
swapped to assa just for that
might not be interesting gameplay, but maaan the echoing blades is fun to see and hear 😄
5 million numbers popping up
vast forum
the sound effect is the best part imo 😄
strange python
does spyglass get stacked through FoK?
cobalt pelican
yes
rough agate
Why BoTE on Xanesh?
sterile ocean
so i got a question im on blood mallet and for races it shows Goblin on top vs troll any reason why?
Trolls has a Cd while they have passive
drifting cloud
people run bote everywhere not just xanesh
sterile ocean
Right i was gonna say there above trolls
rough agate
ah hmm
drifting cloud
majority of bosses bote is the most used major except dog I guess because of how little the boss moves
and drest for janitor crew
fleet whale
I tried a run using Breath major on most fights... I just seemed to preform way better with BoTE minus drest
shrewd iron
Is Subterfuge still bugged in Visions? Been a while since I tried doing it as assa
faint harness
Botd is better on many bosses
Bote is just easier to play
Lots of fights in nyalotha where you can snipe 100% dmg increase and sims doesnt even take that into account and still wins out st for me
rigid mango
Subt is fine @shrewd iron
shrewd iron
aight thx
tribal marlin
bote is somehow fine this tier even if it's sim low (probably under-simmed tho) because of your damage are done in some sort of short windows
there will be a lot of fight where you will have a lot of things to deal with and sometime a windows where you want to burn the boss etc...
rancid spade
could be more good if bote scale with neck level
tribal marlin
There even are multiple fight where you want to play BotE + vision Minor, in order to have theese short windows burst every 1:30
just because it fit well with the encounter
rigid mango
Multiple?
tribal marlin
ye
lot of theim
Xanesh, Dresta if no Breath, Ra-den if not doing the "lust-on-pull" strategy (otherwise your vendetta comes off CD when you are supposed to burst down an add, following with the Essence bursting mean you delay for 1mn your vend or ignore strategy)
Carapace tho (allow to Vend 1 add during p2 and still have it early p3. Without VoP I also felt having shit timer on vend during p3)
Wrathion
even vexiona some are playing vision to get 2 Vendetta during the 2nd phase of the encounter
cobalt pelican
i still don't know what's better for drest tbh
vop bote seems not bad
breath seems not bad
i played breath really badly though
tribal marlin
ye both setup are good. Probably depend on your raid composition
like if you play Bote vop you can take the thing every 1:30 (debuff last 1:30) for more boss damage. Breath will be better if you lack in tentacle dmg I guess
fleet whale
thing with Breath is that it has a hidden "feature." When you use and a mob dies, it gives breath a 5 second CD and a 100% damage increase. But if you use breath, and if it falls it like a 1-2 second window before the enemy dies, the whole CD will reset
rigid mango
idk about drest
idk about xanesh
carapace I havn't done personally but watching seli do it for 3 hours I don't see why you need vop
wrathion yes, raden no clue
but idk why you'd want it for xanesh
tribal marlin
Xanesh vend comes off CD at the begining of 2nd ball phase
You are supposed to focus the add during this phase, mean you will delay vendetta for the whole phase
drifting cloud
well depends on assignments tbh
rigid mango
I was fine not focusing them
drifting cloud
I had like 2nd kick on 1st add so I would just run and vendetta 2nd add
for example
rigid mango
I think it was third kick 1st add that was annoying if u wnated to pop cds on xanesh but
I was 4th so
drifting cloud
also since xanesh is basically 6min fight youre losing a vendetta anyways
drifting cloud
maybe vop with subt
would get you another ven
still not sure if worth, but cant be that terrible I guess
tribal marlin
Well I don't play VoP anymore on Xanesh because if have no trouble killing the add now
but during progression I was focusing the add
all of theim
rigid mango
0 reason to focus third add and 2nd one kinda just died before I got to do much anyways
drifting cloud
just comes down to your overall dps I think
rigid mango
we never personally had any issues with the adds so
rigid mango
sounds about right
tribal marlin
I don't like to be that guy that does not focus the priority target so we said "kill the add" I kill the add xD
rigid mango
And I see 0 vop on raden
but idk if that's bec it just does less dps
which does seem worse
drifting cloud
I see like 3 in top100
tribal marlin
Dunno most peeps run the "lust-on-pull" strategy now
rigid mango
So idk, I'd use vop on nzoth and wrathion but the rest 
drifting cloud
oh seli used vop on raden
tribal marlin
You really need to do the fight with the p2 lust to understand I think 😄
basically here what's going on.
tribal marlin
You vend on pull, fine. Then 2nd orbs pop, kill etc... Then you need to nuke the add, so ok nuke the add (vendetta is coming off CD here without VoP) but when Vend comes off CD here what happens : You need to focus the 3rd set of orb, and then you need to NUKE DOWN the shadow add, but after that boss is going to be placed for p3, and you should not follow it because you need to focus 4th set of add
rigid mango
got it anyways ig
drifting cloud
yeah but like you said thats only with no-lust on pull right
tribal marlin
Anyway if you didn't killed it yet you'll probably use the lust-on-pull strategy now it is way easier (no 4th set of add, no need to hard nuke the shadow add etC...)
drifting cloud
with lust on pull your goal is to phase before 4th orbs right
tribal marlin
I think the lust-on-pull strategy is focus nightmare first, so there is a void hunter that spawn at the begining and that get destroyed by fire mage cleaving
after that you probably kill vita orb, this void hunter will be focused but vend is off cd here anyway (and no vita orb exploding so the 2nd void hunter si no danger) and then you kill void orb (no void hunter then) so you can (and should) funnel the boss all the time I think.
For Carapace IDK, I think you can play without.
It allow to nuke 2nd Gaze of Madness. To use another one on one add during p2 and still start p3 with vendetta. But you don't get 3rd vendetta during p3 and even probably delay the 2nd p3 vendetta for lust.
small aurora
Tyr KR, would you guys run a full ST setup for something like an 18?
rigid mango
0 eb as many SS as possible fill rest spots with TTK/BBI/HOD/1 np
small aurora
Cheers
honest needle
how do u get the engineering disocrd
its good for assaisnation right
is it a quest ?
cause i dont see it in my engineering thing
rigid mango
The what?
drifting cloud
you just craft r1 which is a drop?
you get r2 from crafting, repeat for r3
assuming you have the focus thingy quest done
zinc coyote
we liking focused resolve?
cobalt pelican
it's ok
versed mica
I'm seeing top parsers using blood of the enemy major on most fight in nya, is it really that good?
cobalt pelican
yes it good
plush remnant
When's the optimal time to refresh garrote?
cobalt pelican
any time below 5.4 seconds as long as the garrote isn't empowered, with preference being to fill from 4 to 5 cps but not worth forcing
plush remnant
Thank you
drifting cloud
59
amber tiger
😮
amber tiger
alright thanks 🙂
drifting cloud
and if thing from beyond and big circle feel like an issue for you just stay below 40
it really depends how much actual dps youre gaining going above 39
amber tiger
thank you sensei
maiden raptor
So i dont really know how to reliable sim m+ for sin. Would you say that 3SS/2EB/1NP or 3SS/1EB/2NP Would be better for M+.
outer adder
I'm pretty sure just by nature of how NP/EB work having more EB is going to scale better, specially if you're talking M+ where trash is king
cobalt pelican
2eb1np everywhere probably
maiden raptor
Aight that's what i've been playing so good stuff
outer adder
honestly I have been playing 3EB 2ss 1np since trash is the main prio
sudden trench
crisp hollow
i think I remember @rigid mango mentioning 1 EB is bad
orchid sequoia
what is np short for?
crisp hollow
nothing personnel, kid
orchid sequoia
nice one
true nexus
holy f murky cerulean signet has a lot of crit
versed mica
CT or PB for M+? I hear people say CT, but PB sims a lot higher for me
cobalt pelican
are you pulling lots of trash for your count that takes a while to get through? ct
are you slowpulling small difficult packs with hard bosses? pb
do you hate extra buttons? pb
versed mica
So, ct for fortified and pb for tyrannical? lmao
sudden brook
hey
im supa curious
why are sins using VOP minor on wrathion
and no other fight
sudden brook
i thought like
somehow VOP was giving enough CDR where it was a 1 min cd or something
and lined up with something else idk
drifting cloud
you basically get one before he goes to the pillar phase and that pohase is long enough that you have everything back before its done
sudden brook
sin players are so smart
drifting cloud
so you just get 2-3 free vendettas in the fights depending how long it takes you to kill him
drifting cloud
youre too busy pressing buttons, we can think between gcds
also shoutout to that one guy that was saying week 1 vop is terrible on the fight
fairy was just ahead of his time with vop major
true nexus
do u go 3x np for vop major
drifting cloud
(dont go vop major)
cobalt pelican
hehehehe
if you're playing it for the memes yeah, though my no np chest simmed higher by like 50 at the time so i think i only played 2
inner wedge
Hello, why everybody uses blood of the enemy when WV sims higher?
frigid briar
For what boss?
cobalt pelican
worldvein has requirements and limitations, blood does not
inner wedge
pretty much each boss
Breath of the dying sims even higher, but its not best according to herodamage:)
frigid briar
WV has a requirement to stay stacked in one spot woth little movement usually
Blood is a good progression CD, also has extreme burst potential
WV needs others to be using it aswell. Which they wont on heavy movement fights
inner wedge
Yeah, I know how mechanics works, but I see ppl not using WV even with 9uite a lot of other members using it
What do you think about, BotD?
strange python
Also i only have wv rank 1 and no followers to get rank3 so i use bote
inner wedge
Will you use rank3 BotD as major?
strange python
Me? Idk i use what sims highest
inner wedge
I don't see a lot of BotD in logs, but I don't think a lot of ppl actually have it already
strange python
For me bote sims highest rn so i use that if it changes ill go to something else
runic tinsel
Does gushing wounds scale with our mastery? or is it just strong anyway?
crimson palm
Just sim WV with 0 allies, if it outperforms BoTE use it
dire terrace
what essence combo does ass use for M+ and raid
runic tinsel
For M+ i use bote most of the time. but for raids its harder. depends on what sims higher or what kind of fight it is. Usually Bote/Botd/Worldvein though.
onyx hedge
Anyone able to see if I'm doing anything that is hurting my dps alot ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pC2ZnBMGFH9Ka8Q4/#fight=last&view=rankings&playermetric=dps
Vendetta phases are - On pull - 30-40% hp for us reflect phase (2nd) - final burn with coral
harsh sphinx
just noticed you refresh garrote quite a bit
onyx hedge
that was because i did on ad
wait
i have a habit sometimes
if i have e.g vendetta about come up, ill refresh rupture cause its at like 9 seconds and then garrote even if its at 13-14 so that i get vendetta with full dots without having to refresh
winter moss
maybe fitting for a tb window
winter moss
but tb is 9 seconds
harsh sphinx
onyx hedge
it would have been
winter moss
your gar should have about 13 secs lef
harsh sphinx
holding TB for awhile as well
onyx hedge
dropping curses/hiding in puddle for 1 shot. Sometimes it just bad timing
or having to run out with puddl
harsh sphinx
here's a maut fight 2 min shorter than yours
onyx hedge
ye look at all our dmg :I lol
onyx hedge
could be that i aint been playing for a week and a half apart from raid
how u recommend i change thenm
leave them longer?
winter moss
there is nothing wrong with refreshing them early to get around vendetta with not refreshing bleeds
but refreshing at 13secs for a 9 secs tb window
onyx hedge
ye
onyx hedge
yeah ill make it a conscious effort
yeah that is my problem
i have the thought off
sec pul
mellow harness
onyx hedge
yeah sorry back, had a quick pull to try something
mellow harness
Arm 475 remplace 445 2k more dps
onyx hedge
my problem is i think that, i think, so 3cp i toxic blade to 4 (which is a bad mistake as well), and then go, i could mutilate and waste 3-4cp or i could garrote get that shit on refresh and pump in tb window and further
so its a problem within a problem
winter moss
@mellow harness nice sim, whats the question
mellow harness
Infinite star 1-3 or apendance 3-2
winter moss
the one that sims highest 🙂
appendage in that case
@onyx hedge why is it bad to tb at 3cp
mellow harness
Kk
onyx hedge
I would think it is, because if you 3cp > Tb and only get to 4, that an extra global 1 you have to waste instead of pumping with tb and then also energy that you could be using before the tb
i would think that would be bad :I
strange python
can someone look at my shad'har log? 😄
harsh sphinx
onyx hedge
k pull over
yeah i would just think that if you were in tb window u would prob want to min max with 5 cp
winter moss
@onyx hedge now listen, 5 cp is only the maximum which you will achiev due to crits. you finish at 4+ to avoid overcapping
it is fine to use tb if you are already at 5 cp
but if your next spell after tb isnt env you might aswell just refresh rupture
onyx hedge
yeah i always envenom with 4cp-5cp but just meant specificly that instance of tb > envenom with 5cp
but i get you
strange python
really?
winter moss
yeah
bleed uptime is fine
tb casts are fine
vend casts are fine
you have a 93
what you want
toxic timber
Elaborate Planning uptime was fine
strange python
I want to improve 🙂
winter moss
you cant improve on rng
onyx hedge
I just want to point out how much i love this discord. So many people willing to help when people want to improve 🙂 @winter moss Ty
❤️
winter moss
@strange python
redcircle not that much visible
but that is the only strange thing i can see atm
winter moss
you are welcome spazy
harsh sphinx
the coral/font could of been cleaner
winter moss
would fit for vendetta timing
strange python
What did I do wrong with coral and font?
winter moss
you used coral 20 secs into the fight
strange python
supposed to be 14 I think?
onyx hedge
Its off gcd so legit press when it off cd
winter moss
somewhat around that
strange python
I used it on 16.5 though?
winter moss
it's a minor issue
strange python
ye I think I missed my font by 10 sec too
harsh sphinx
pretty minor yup. just something to try and improve
onyx hedge
I'm doing a sim currently but last time i did one BotE and CLF and there was around a 250-300 dps different (CLF higher) What is your opinion on Shad'har. I feel as if BotE Could be better because of the short time of the fight
I feel as if CLF with the 3 min cd wont be good compared to BotE
strange python
if u play blood you hold it for the extra 30 seconds right?
strange python
y
onyx hedge
i was thinking due to the 3 min CLF cd, it might be doing less dmg than the benefit of BotE with vendetta
hard to calculate but wondering what other people are finding is better
strange python
most top logs are with either BotE or WV
onyx hedge
My guild refuses to use WV on any boss D:
Clf top BotE bottom
its very minor so
maiden raptor
What would be a good idea to spend residium on for general good pieces (raiding/m+) prolly Shoulder>chest>helm?
strange python
there is gorak tul's mantle
modest tendon
Gorak
strange python
y
modest tendon
It’s bis for every scenario
strange python
I got really lucky with that
maiden raptor
i only got a 430 gorak which sims so bad
strange python
it's 430 :/
split furnace
Got it at first residum ❤️ a sparkle of light sometime in this rng game t.t
strange python
same 🙂
onyx hedge
I would presume it would be quite minor. But with the opener (BotE) Mutilate Rupture Mutilate (then garrote vendetta or vendetta garrote?) BotE TB Vanish etc
I been doing garrote then vendetta
Wondering if people are doing vendetta then garrote
hybrid hinge
Are u talking about aoe or st opener
zenith wren
It's not like ur going to get more damage if u vendetta before you garrote so wgy bother
hybrid hinge
AoE i usually go shrouded suffocation + subterfuge, garrote as many as u can and then blood
Then just... Fan rupture everything
Patchwerk i garrote rupture vendetta blood muti env spam
hybrid hinge
BotE vend vanish TB envenom
hybrid hinge
Master Assassin? Idk that's how i do it to get 50% crit for it on bote
strange python
TB then vanish
hybrid hinge
Fair enough
strange python
dunno why u would choose a TB crit over envenom 🙂
hybrid hinge
Idk i always felt like envenom damage was underwhelming but that might just be my dogshit stats hahaha
scarlet sequoia
rather do a 40k tb crit than a 100k+ envenom 👌
strange python
ofc
hybrid hinge
Big brain
hazy iron
Or if you're super unlucky, no env crit, and your next mut doesn't crit either.
scarlet sequoia
doesnt happen with bote unless youre somehow below 25% crit
hazy iron
Ah true
hybrid hinge
2k crit from ashvanes on maut heroic, still no crits 
hazy iron
I've been screwing around with BotD, I should stop and just go bote like a lot of others have
strange python
Sim it
hybrid hinge
hazy iron
I have, bote is still a big loss against botd and wv at 1 person, for me
Doesn't mean I can't take bote for flexibility
I say big, it's something like a 600 dps loss or something
More so against WV
hazy iron
Yeah I know
I only use it on a few fights and we have around 8 people using it
And will continue doing so
hybrid hinge
Hoping to do nyalotha before reset on rogue but only 445 ilvl
strange python
which fights?
hazy iron
Shad, maut, probably raden when we get to it
Bote with vop minor on wrath, rest I've been playing botd
Fights where you can reset it are fun
uneven summit
What pot people using by default atm? Mine sims unbridled higest
winter moss
empowered proximity may pull ahead if enough targets present
which is never the case bc all the adds come in during the fight or are already dead on scnd pot
thanks dhs
uneven summit
Haha true
rigid mango
It's actually using focused resolve, atleast was a while back. Better for some worst for some, resolve beats unbridled by a couple 100 dps for me so
odd cargo
I just checked and raidbots use focused resolve by default
winter moss
unbridled sims .5% higher for me so it comes down to simming which one will be best for you
strange python
300 dps more for me
idle ember
I have about 30 stacks of agility left over :X I was simming last night they aren't as much of a loss as expected. Might start burning through them learning bosses.
rigid mango
I just use mine for m+
keen crescent
Hey guys, does anyone have a macro for vendetta+any trinket?
I dont understand shit about how to make them
vast forum
/use 13
/cast vendetta
keen crescent
13 being the keybind for the trinket?
cobalt pelican
13 is trinket1
tacit wing
13 is the top slot for trinkets, 14 is bottom
short quarry
Make sure it is in capital letters, "Vendetta"
#showtooltipp Vendetta
/cast Vendetta
/use 13
This is the one I'm using
distant lava
just open spell book while you're in the macros menu and click on the spell 
short quarry
If you press it while trinket in cd it should say that its still on cd, but you can wait to be sure
cobalt pelican
is your game in some foreign language or some shit
small island
do u have a target XD?
cobalt pelican
where vendetta isn't vendetta
keen crescent
my game is in portuguese
keen crescent
but same name
scarlet urchin
can you paste your exact macro @keen crescent ?
keen crescent
lol It only has 1 t
its vendeta
havent played it in portuguese for some time
should work now
faint harness
sometimes i wonder how this game would be playd in my native language, "dubbel dos", "förgifta"
scarlet urchin
at least it'd still be Vendetta @faint harness
faint harness
True
short quarry
If you ever need to do a macro like that again, press shift and click on the spell from your spellbook, it will copy the name of it, like the fellow said up there
keen crescent
anyone has a macro to kick focus? since im already doing these
scarlet urchin
/cast [target=focus] Kick
short quarry
#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@focus] Shadowstep
/cast [@focus] Kick
I think that works, been a while since I used it
faint harness
/kasta Spark
keen crescent
The VendeTa one is working fine
faint harness
/kasta Mörkersteg
scarlet urchin
NJURSLAG
keen crescent
now i can forget this dumb plumage
faint harness
keen crescent
@scarlet urchin Ty, already made it work
it will help me a lot in m+
Ty all for the help
grand hamlet
Skuggsteg, seems more appropriate.
rigid mango
Idd
faint harness
Giftig klinga anyone
abstract moon
What Major/Minor Essences is everyone using for Raids or Single Target focused damage?
rigid mango
Whatever sims best 🙂
abstract moon
You use Raidbot Simulator to sim gear?
faint harness
Actually, some ppl still dont use botd even if it sims the best 🙂
rigid mango
I feel like botd has the potential to be so insane but it's hard to use
warm parcel
Also loses to bote in a burst window
rigid mango
And bote is just so simple and effective
warm parcel
Both have their uses
modest tendon
I thought botd was bad for assa?
vast forum
EB and BotE interaction is too strong for m+
abstract moon
its simming me at 49,681 dps thats decent eh?
rigid mango
Not just that
vast forum
in raids, it's great on fights where you can reset it
vast forum
yea and we're global capped in aoe 😄
faint harness
even using it without resetting its outsimming bote on ST for me (:
rigid mango
and no 49k is really low 😄
abstract moon
Which GCD does Bote require?
vast forum
not essentially, literally gcd capped in aoe
abstract moon
then idk what my issue is
rigid mango
Your gear is bad
faint harness
rigid mango
Than most people who played the game
abstract moon
Then something cant be right
abstract moon
So i need to chang Azerite traits in game pror to SIm
faint harness
seems like simbait
rigid mango
just stand still 🙂
abstract moon
lol come on guys im trying to get good so I dont get got
rigid mango
ok tldr on your gear
faint harness
yes and i'm telling you that you have the wrong traits for ST while doing a ST sim
rigid mango
you're lacking lucid which is huge
You're lacking strife
botd
You're simming aoe traits on single target
You have 1 corruption which is mediocre at best on ST
faint harness
Also doing SS sim without subterfuge talent
abstract moon
Yeah I had aoe set up for dungeond changing currently based of Ask Mr Robot
abstract moon
GaleCaller ill admit but thought Dragon Scale was good for us
abstract moon
may not be optimal trinket but good none the less
rigid mango
Like, really bad.
abstract moon
AMR?
young portal
Would you recommend running BotE major for progress even if it's a ~2k dps loss?
rigid mango
To what, WV?
abstract moon
then what site do you use?
faint harness
Has AMR ever been good?
rigid mango
it was aight before
abstract moon
Lol
faint harness
Always regarded it as more or less Noxxic
young portal
Yeah @rigid mango
abstract moon
Okay well im open to try anything I keep an open mind so ill use Raidbots
abstract moon
Is condensed life force better than BOTE? in Major
faint harness
Also i dunno why so many ppl sim weekly builds.. Just use nightly? THeres no downside to it
rigid mango
No
abstract moon
@faint harness thanks man ill take in what information I gather and implement it for sure ❤️
rigid mango
Because people don't change settings 😄
abstract moon
its much appreciated thanks for the constructive criticism zine and push
faint harness
Do you know what warcraftlogs is
rigid mango
Can use any of these https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2tWcmBQe5ChkYShfaoF3zX @young portal
if you want a smaller dps loss
abstract moon
Zine do that for me = P
rigid mango
Can't when you don't have any essences
😛
You fundamentally don't have the core essences of the spec
Just takes time to get them
You have blood atleast
Rest are just doing shit daily/weekly
abstract moon
Yeah so condensed life force is a must?
faint harness
Nuts that you have rank 3 Bote before anything else
azure grove
even simming w rank 3 bote (don't quite have it yet), it still sims lower than clf for me
faint harness
I'm not using CLF anymore
abstract moon
hmm
faint harness
not in major or minor
abstract moon
okay
rigid mango
CLF is more timer reliant, less burst window that is liked this tier, and overall just +- the same value probably.
abstract moon
then which ones am I missing. And I just got back into WoW like 2 weeks ago @ push BOTE was easy to grind out
rigid mango
Go play the game gettem 😄
abstract moon
I have all 4 of those
faint harness
u need rank 3
abstract moon
and they are all 4 equipped
young portal
@rigid mango thanks man
rigid mango
Irrelevant before r3
abstract moon
ah
faint harness
you need to keep grinding them
silent parcel
Zine how do you use font of power combined with coral?
faint harness
Lucid by far the worst one to farm
silent parcel
nvm then im stupid
faint harness
I'm so desperate of getting rid of font
rigid mango
I really don't mind it
azure grove
so if I don't have rank 3 strife yet, what should I take as a minor?
faint harness
iris r3
uncut burrow
I got enough haste corruptions to push dice above font (with coral, of course)
young portal
Hang on a sec just noticed in the sim you did for me, focused resolve. Did that get better with scaling etc or something?
faint harness
botd
abstract moon
What Tab in Raidbots do I need to use to see what Azerite traits to choose in single target?
rigid mango
Not that i enjoy telling people to go sim themselves every time
but that's what everyone does
learn to do it yourself
faint harness
lucid and iris combination is only slightly worse than lucid + strife for me, seems to be marginal
royal lantern
the traits in st are the same for everyone
double dose/hearth of darkness/nothing personal are the good st traits
faint harness
TTK decent
royal lantern
^
faint harness
(twist the knife)
royal lantern
good azerite pieces have a mix bettwen those 3 traits or something like TTK+NP with a overwhelming power as 3rd trait etc.....
faint harness
but if you happen to do any nyalotha raiding you will get double dose/nothing personal quite easily
and Heart of darkness too ofc
azure grove
I just need to fix my gems
cuz I dumped vers into everything cuz I was just using assassination for pvp, and now I'm trying to use it in raid I'm definitely missing something on that front
faint harness
if you pay seriallos some money you can do top gear sims and check
really simple, just check every gem type and it will calculate best possible combinations
azure grove
also what options should I change? never really looked at that window
abstract moon
So you would take Scent of Blood over Ancients B?
azure grove
yea that's what I'm doing rn, enchants first then gems cuz otherwise its like 63 million iterations lol
rigid mango
n
faint harness
scent of blood is a very unfortunate alternative
abstract moon
lol thnx
faint harness
yea Jman, you need BIG iteration cap if you wanna do gem sims
i usually check my gear in sequences
base gear/talents first
and then add gem sims on top of what that gear/talent sim told me
azure grove
so even at the dps loss that raidbots says, should I still run r2 bote over r3 clf?
faint harness
no the ranks matter a lot for bote
from 2-3 is a big gain
you should try farm it out
azure grove
yea i was def planning on farming it
faint harness
if CLF sims best for you until you have r3 you play CLF
azure grove
just gonna take a minute for the 20k honor, so was asking for more immediaate term
ok cool
cuz my damage is good right now, I'm just trying to see how much more I can squeeze out as I'm like 459 equipped and about to cross into 460
azure grove
yea was just reading that on the tool tip
hybrid hinge
Is it allowed to send screenshots here or nyet?
azure grove
so what's the fastest way to grind it out in y'alls experience? pvp islands, regular bgs, epic bgs?
royal lantern
both bgs for daily win, then spam normal bgs
faint harness
check the brawl
it can be real good
for honor farm
but highly depends
also go mercenary mode if you are horde
silent parcel
Brawl is actually reall fast
royal lantern
oh ye, didnt check the brawl this week sorry
faint harness
also buy the xp increase flag from the guild vendor
it increases end of the game honor by quite a bit
so when you're about to lose/win you pop it
silent parcel
Played brawl in between dailies and its like 5 min for 500 honor if you win and 250 if u lose
winter moss
i thought merc mode isnt working anymore
azure grove
oh shit its bg week tomorrow too nice